Riot should start buying the cheats manually and then detecting the cheats. This is what Arma 3 does and that way cheats become very expensive resulting in less people buying it.
Every cheat is technically a bug exploit. The developers didn't intend to make the game vulnerable to hacks. Unless of course any game out there provides cheating apis with documentation... Comeing to think about it I'd very much like to play that game.
yeah I thought it was funny too, but without seeing the full stream it's difficult to say if he actually meant it unironically. maybe he's just testing a cheat for the stream, to see what it's about. it's not like he's hiding it.
Same, uninstalled that garbage. I don't even know what do I expected from the ones who have the worst client in the history of gaming (League of legends client). Also apparently there were a couple of people on reddit who claimed that Riot Vanguard turned of their cooling systems and almost fried their CPU's. Just delete it, it's not worth the risk.
I do like Ricardo Luis with hair, shame he had to go fully shaved due to his bald spot, bloody good looking chap with hair, skin heads dont do it for me.
Yeah, any other company would have been low key with it and avoid attention. They could have just been modest and said that they would do their best combat cheaters. Now even non-cheaters want to cheat to just give Riot a slap.
@@racingbeats1493 They never said it is impossible but they said that it would be very hard to make cheats. Safe to say they didn't live up to that one either. Vanguard is likely the worst anti-cheat in the market right now.
Riot really fucked up by portraying their anti cheat as something that is revolutionary, they have pretty much challenged all cheat coders to come and break their game lol
Keep the content coming Rich. Just watched the Stunna interview over on the Rivalry channel, that was an amazing insight into a guy i didn't know much about. Dude definetly got some depth to him!
not really bc people buy cheats to mess with people or just to prove that the anticheat is just not good at all and yes i cheat on cs but i dont play on vac servers so i dont affect normal players but from my years of cheating i find that people like to cheat bc the game has cheaters already and wanna fight against each other or they buy them to mess with people like its not bc they are bad i just like cs where cheaters were in most games and thats what the most people cheat is bc others cheat to them and they are competitive and its not sad bc from making a cheat it find bug or floors within the game so you could think of it as penetration testing but for a game and they arent bad players like people i know were global or mg or lem stuff like but they got cheats bc they just came across cheaters
I have a business proposal: 1. Invent a software that is meant to become a new line of business. 2. Explicitly market the software as practically unhackable thus taunting every script kiddie and half decent programmer with criminal energy to hack it. 3. Get hacked by every script kiddie and half decent programmer with criminal energy within the first few days of open beta.
If you are prime on CSGO and not a dogshit trust factor, Hackers are a near myth of a problem. I play 2-3 comps and night at supreme level and havent seen a blatant hacker in months.
Hell, I play at SEM/GN1-2 area in 5 queues and in the past month or so with over 70 games I've seen one blatant hacker. Prime and solid trust factor. The real issue is smurfing, I see a shitload of low level accounts with 1 game on steam with too few hours in the game.
CS:GO right now has a HUGE cheating problem as well, since you can easily check your match history for bans with a browser extension you get to know just how big it has gotten. Right now for me on global/supreme it's at least every 4th game. Quite often more then 1 in one team
@@tissuepaper9962 I doubt it. I can confirm an about 20% ban rate at that rank and my account is as old as Steam itself with no issues. That's also not even remotely the worst. My casual friend who played some games a few years back at GN/AK range is at 63% banned. The game always has and will have a massive hacker problem.
Well considering it needs data in order to develop of course cheaters will be in the game now. It isnt that competitive ranks will reset, they will be banned they also fed the system data to combat the cheats in the future..
@@GxbeFay An A.I algorithm needs highly detailed and specialized training in order to produce the desired learning curve. If it was as simple as using one to analyze gameplay of convicted cheaters and compare their gameplay to non convicted gameplay, then don't you think they would have already done it? At what percentage match of a cheater do you convict someone of cheating and ban them? 95? 75? 50?. No A.I ever gets 100% accuracy, they may get around 95% but that is not 100%. Now how would you feel if you ended up being convicted in the 5% of incorrectly labelled cheaters... If it was as easy as you try to make it sound, it would already be a feature in every god damn multiplayer game!
@@_Jayonics but yet we havent seen this anti cheat, theres no reason to be so negative about everything about the game dude. I get that they need criticism but it really doesnt help the game getting shit on by so many people. What I'm saying is that people habemt barely given the anti cheat a chance nor the devs! As soon as they can comment on something they'll do it just to hate even if they don't care about the games future
@@GxbeFay perhaps a little bias as well. But since yesterday I have been unable to play the game because 'Vanguard is not initialised' and this is on both of my computers. And I have troubleshooted absolutely everything, and as a CS student, I mean everything and there is no fix in sight. With almost half a day spent trying to get the anti cheat to work it leaves me with a very bitter feeling towards this game. It seems almost ironic that later in the day RL posts a video showing how cheating is already getting rampant in the closed beta no less. So not only is the anti cheat ineffective and intrusive but also tells you program X Y Z was stopped, then you open up valorant and it's bugged in some way, then it's another reboot. My point in summary being this anti cheat is not seemingly doing a great job in its primary function, and is instead a major pain in the ass for a lot of people just trying to play the game. It is in fact possible that riot painted a target on their backs by creating such an 'amazing' anti cheat which led to worse outcomes than your average easyanticheat, battleye program because it gave hackers a new challenge.
@@_Jayonics ah ok yeah I nor others I know have experienced any problems with it as well as having no cheaters and it's a shame to hear this but hopefully they may decided to just change their anti cheat completely so it isnt expected to do all these amazing things but it simply does the job of an anti cheat effectively. Good luck with it, maybe the problems will be resolved on release
I have played 3 games of Valorant. All 3 with blatant hackers, not even "Ooo that was fishy." Like blatant blatant hackers. 2 on opposing team and one on my team.
I remember there was a lot of emphasis that Riot placed on getting rid of peeker's advantage, but haven't heard anything about it since. Was that straight BS as well?
Good video Rich. I hadn't realized there were so many cheaters already (haven't played valorant in a while). I really don't see the point of vanguard anymore when Valorant has just as many cheaters as cs. You probably don't see them as often in cs, because of the trust factor system, but there's plenty of them. Riot really needs to step up their anti cheat game if they want people to keep playing/having vanguard installed. Im personally considering uninstalling vanguard, as its very annoying to me that I have to manually disable it every time I launch my pc. I'd much rather have the option to start vanguard when I want to play, restart my pc then and possibly disable it once after playing until I want to play again.
1:05 Vanguard still launches during startup. Upon watching this video I realized I've been exiting Vanguard every day for the past 2 weeks and I haven't cared to play a single map. Uninstalled and not looking back.
The cheaters problem is the scourge of our time and it affects all popular games that have been ruined by cheaters. CS:GO, Apex Legends, Call of Duty: Warzone and now Valorant. I am afraid that online games are over now because cheats today are too easy to access and the methods for detecting them are highly ineffective. About 15-30% of cheaters are banned after a few months. Most of those who use paid or private software NEVER get caught and cheating for years. Honest players have nothing to look for in such games anymore. Sad but true.
I was in a match where sova would shoot his arrow and sage would raise the wall and would wipe out the whole team. Don’t know if the opposite players did something. We won but it sucked I got no kills.
Tweeted to Arkem on the cheater i met and the guy probably got manual banned but yes cheating is a problem especially when it's not automatically detected.
i got 7000 hours in csgo and my trust factor is perfect.i dont remember the last time i played against cheater at LEM/SMFC/global.trust me riot will copy valve's trust factor concept soon
The game might fail before it even releases. The whole premise as to why this game got any traction was the promise of a superior anti-cheat and superior servers versus CS:GO. Currently, neither of those is true.
@@NANOTECHYT it doesnt matter what path they go down, its never going to kill CS. Its a worse game for a start and its cartoony gfx and hero shooter nonsense dont lend themselves to deep tactical play. CS has been around for 20 years, if I had a pound for every time someone claimed a game was going to be the CS killer, Id have at least £500.
A CS:GO clone that bricks your computer, still has cheats, and all for the low, low price of letting Emperor Winnie the Pooh have full control of your PC. Valorant Apologists: I see this as an absolute win!
and the even the gameplay wasnt satisfying to a csgo player :/. shit game first time i got my hands on in. and i was LOOKING FORWARD TO IT because im bored of csgo
Valorant is a great game but vanguard has done nothing to stop cheaters. I would be diamond by now but can barely stay high gold because of how many wallhackers and aimbotters. It's quite sad that Riot seems to be hands off about this. They make statements to seem as if they are working on it but how can there be like 5-10 different working hacks right now? It's literally so common in ranked games now that I am surprised when there isnt a cheater in the lobby. Without exaggerating it's about 75% of ranked games right now. If Riot truly values competetive gaming then this should be their priority. To not only ban the accounts but ban associated ip addresses and computers from ever playing valorant again.
I'm grinding to get to diamond rank at the moment, but sometime in my matches, I simply cannot tell if people are actually good or using cheats. I tend to give them the benefit of the doubt but I really feel like I got cheated on a couple of times.
All competitive shooters have cheating problems, I come across cheaters at every rank in R6, even in Bronze when I've smurfed, and it's so easy to spot when someone is cheating vs smurfing, their movement and position gives it all away. When I played cs:go over a year ago, all the games I were in with even high tf and prime had at least 1 cheater in. Never played it again after that, dead game
Well, let's face it, CS:GO/Valve doesn't exactly win a "anti-cheat of the year" award either. From what I understand, more advanced cheaters won't use wallhack or aimbot, instead they use "Radarhack" to see where you are, harder to detect and you won't see anyone aiming through the walls. Some cheaters are actually smart, while some are not.
11:25 They should just swap over to an account identity system and focus on keeping that database secure. I think you'll have permanent removal of cheaters while having to trust Riot with less information.
Also this is clearly a game that should of had a smaller CB test phase but Riot got greedy and saw the opportunity to force it's 20 dollar garbage skins down peoples throat and make an easy few million before they even launch.
Never understood the urge by companies to boast about their AC. Even people who make cheats for shit and giggles would take the challenge and try to make a cheat for the game. It is a huge marked for cheats anyways, enabling them by saying ANYTHING about cheats is a huge mistake.
I don't think Riot knew what they were getting themselves in to, in reality they had no previous experience with fps cheaters and are probably realizing it now. These people are different and the lenghts they go to to cheat are crazy, and Riot is probably realizing right now that they are out of their depth.
if you barely see any in cheaters in counter strike youre not looking well enough you knowthat with perfect toggles its and settings its pretty much impossible to get caught. usually the ones that get caught are rage cheating or dumb with their settings. I love CSGO or other counterstrieks for that matter but of all the FPS Ive played its the most infested with cheaters you cant deny that, its literally filled with it they should tke the korean approach and lobby to making cheating in multiplayer game settings a crime
There's been a rise of cheaters in cs. Straight up played against a dude advertising his CS cheat stream in chat, where we could watch him demolish us live with the cheats he was using. I'm not one to call cheats every time i lose a game or get shot through smoke/walls. But, there's been a significant cheat increase in CS over the last few months. It used to be pretty good for a long time
@@kaigreen5641 My trust factor has been high. When i queue up with a team of 5, sometimes there's that one guy that gets the red text about their trust factor being low. It's not low. It's always been high. The hacker with the stream had 999, 999, 999 commendations? Idk if he hacked his account to have a high trust factor. No idea if that is even possible? Maybe these hackers use bots? I wouldn't know lol
Started playing CS last month and have about 50 games played in competitive. Only ran to 1 cheater and team kicked him out quickly so practically no cheaters. In Valorant, about 10 unrated games with blatant cheaters in 3 of them. (and don't even get me started with the number of afks) I left after the last one and not looking to try the game until Riot fixes their shit.
Honestly I’ve been playing daily for the past couple months and I haven’t seen a single obvious cheater. Maybe it’s to do with my rank (mid nova) but I doubt it. It’s probably your trust factor.
tons of cheaters have 160-170 ping. they should just require Identification and address that matches ID to play in ranked, as well as phone number. it should be standard in gaming these days
I literaly started playing a game 15 minutes ago, after constantly being prefired by one specific person, idk if it matters that he's russian, i started to search for evidence of cheaters and yup, they're arriving
I had to uninstall the game and anticheat because you are exact on the point that I was willing to play a cheat free game for some intrusion; however, that is not true at this point.
something u talked about about not getting cheaters in CS:GO, there is the free versiona nd paid version of it, cheaters wont pay to cheat, there is a lot of them in the free version of the game
I think Valve found the best way to handle all this sh*t with the trust factor system. Cheaters and toxic players just get matched with each other, and normal players just can have fun games. I didn't see a cheater for a long time in cs go.
I've played valorant for 4 days now. There were fishy moments but no blatant cheating. CS having tons of blatant cheaters atm was actually the reason I've tried getting a valorant key in the 1st place. I can't relate to you saying, there are not many cheaters in CS:GO atm. For me it feels like 1 out of 5 games is cheat free. And ye, I was up there in the ranks, I've played CS:GO for 5000hrs, I've played a ton of 1.6 before they even tracked the playtime, I should be able to drop some kind of an educated opinion on the topic as well.
i Personally think that Riot hasnt released the full version of the Vanguard or its true potential hasn't been realized. It really seems like they're holding back.
The only reason to say riot’s anticheat is not working as intended is because they are farming the data for how the cheats are actually affecting the game files. That being said after the first update when they updated the fog of war it broke peekers advantage. On initial launch it seemed perfect but wall hacks could reach across map.
Dutchygamerz No source just some logic on why it is the way it is. But in general all anticheats need to be trained to determine what is a cheat. Combine that with how specific people like alpha players, high level streamers and “pros” have access to the anticheat developers directly. I would assume they are using these players who have a better idea of someone that is cheating than a common people. If they are trying to feed better input data into the anticheat system. Training it with better data should in theory make it better in the end. The process I have seen so far is “high level player” clips section of sketchy play, sends sends information on sketchy player if they can get it. The anticheat dev goes in and scans to determine if people are cheating. I only say that because a few nights ago Shahzam’s team reported a player on their team and the devs banned the player on his team but also banned a guy who was queuing with TenZ named FreeAgentBobby(fabobby on twitch for those who want to see the meltdown that happened after if it isn’t deleted). Shahzam’s VOD from 5/6 (3 days ago) at about 6:50 timestamp.
@@shotgun_chef3265 While your statements are somewhat correct. you are working on the assumption that the Vanguard AC works using deep learning to determine cheaters. While i am pretty sure it doesn't use any kind of machine learning to achieve its purpose. To be completely honest, it sounds a little like you don't know what you are talking about and spreading false information to imply that you do. As far as i am aware Vanguard just uses the traditional way of anti-cheating by reading memory values or/and checking running processes for anything suspicious. These kinds of anti-cheats do not rely on data gathering to improve. instead, they are updated manually after certain software leaks have been found and reported. hence why the bounty for finding such an exploit totals 100.000 US dollars. It is however true that anti-cheats relying on machine learning often need time to properly function. like Valve's VacNET. Do keep in mind though that valve didn't mention the fact that they were building a deep-learning anti-cheat until it already had gathered a size-able sample size. Cheats rarely, if at all, "modify game files" as you have said. its nearly impossible to create a cheat that decompiles the files in such a way that it makes it undetectable. Cheats usually just read out memory values and edit them to achieve a hack, or implement the use of some sort of shared library like the .DLL files. The sole reason that vanguard needs time to become better is because it takes time for all of the exploits to be found and patched, much like a regular application.
Dutchygamerz I am not the most well versed in cheating, but yes I know they don’t actually change the game files and it involves exploited dlls typically, but I would assume that would leave some sort of trace. Also I assumed it was a learning anticheat like vacnet because of their discussion of the anticheat banning based on aim movement in one of the discussions about it. That is I suppose possibly a step too far to assume that idea, but in the end the devs still need to obtain information about the cheats and how the exploits are working in order to develop a database of things the anticheat should check for correct? Or am I that uninformed that a traditional anticheat system doesn’t need to know what to look for to actually prevent known cheats? Also the other reason I would again assume it is a learning anticheat is because of the fact they intend to ban mid game. Because of that fact they would be at a severe disadvantage to the cheat developers because fresh accounts could be created to essentially debug their cheats immediately to determine if they are detectable or not.
@@shotgun_chef3265 What it all boils down to is that there are a multitude of ways of creating and countering cheats. and because of the nature of the struggle both parties try to keep their methods secret for as long as possible. You are also not completely uninformed as you've clearly demonstrated a basic understanding of how stuff works. As for you assumption that vanguard was a deep learning anti-cheat, your assumption could very well be correct. The proper way to "teach" a program to look for certain trends is indeed machine learning. however, my limited research into vanguard has never made any claim that it used any sort of machine learning. That is why i asked for your source at first because i might have missed an article. In theory, you could program an anti-cheat to perform similarly to deep learning, but i would consider it incredibly inefficient to do so, because it takes lots of time and you need to account for every single variable trend in players that cheat. As for "exploiting DLLs" as you have stated. its not really an exploit specific to DLL files alone. as DLL files are simply library additions to the executable that runs the game. I for example make mods for games in the unity engine (for example My Summer Car) and use DLL's frequently to add my own specific code to the already existing game. Older games like call of duty 2 used to have cheats that you could "launch" by running a replacement executable instead of the actual call of duty executable file. This is also why for example ESEA executes the CSGO.exe file automatically to make sure you are not booting a .exe file with DLL's attached. this is also why if you were to boot CSGO from the original .exe file manually you are unable to join VAC secured servers. And also why faceit requires you to close your game before launching the anti-cheat to ensure you can only boot the proper csgo.exe using steam. As far as i am aware there are no modern competitive games that allow you to boot the executable directly specifically to avoid the issue of not being able to detect wether or not the legit version of the game was booted. Almost always a "launcher" is used nowadays. And yes, the developers are surely gathering data that they will use to improve upon the basic vanguard anti-cheat. It wouldn't even surprise me if they are hiding certain details from the public specifically to counter cheat developers. but as far as i am aware it is done manually. When talking about the mid-game bans it is really no different from CSGO. CSGO will still kick players that have been detected by VAC . it just doesn't end the match when a cheater is kicked like it does with valorant. This is simply a game design choice to make sure you don't waste your time with a match whose results will be made void anyway. This really doesn't have anything to do with machine learning. Both types of anti cheats, wether machine learning or not, can take their time determining wether or not a person is cheating, but for very different reasons. A machine learning anti-cheat must first let the cheater recreate the trends that the Anti-Cheat has learned to recognize and than has to wait for these trends to cross a certain threshold. for example "has looked at players through walls for X% amount of time" A Standard anti-cheat would just keep looking at either memory edits or processes that are specifically altering the memory addresses reserved for the game.exe process, sooner or later this program will detect something it finds to be sufficiently incriminating to warrant the ban hammer for the player in question. both processes differ greatly but either takes at least some amount of time before you can see results. A guy actually made a CSGO cheat once that worked perfectly and was undetectable by the then up to date version of VAC. before implementing a memory edit he knew would trigger a VAC ban after a few days of use. He single handedly created a ban wave that could rival those of valve itself This is the link to the article, its a pretty nice read: www.pcgamesn.com/counter-strike-global-offensive/cs-go-player-releases-fake-hack-and-purposely-gets-3000-cheaters-vac-banned i'd like to thank you for admitting you don't know everything (neither do i) and having a civil argument. its been a while since i have had one on the internet :)
the reason there are already hacks 1: popular game 2 anticheat team was so outspoken on how they crush the cheaters, also got some ex cheat developers there 3: they use unreal engine which is pretty well known amongs the cheat devs because a lot of games use it (pubg) so it is way easier to get soemthing going there to be fair i paly csgo for ages, and there are really a lot of cheaters, there are thousands of customers on those websites that sell mostly csgo cheats, i mean obv,. they are not all sitting down in silver, thats why faceit and esea are so "popular" mm is pretty much ruined at least for those 2 platforms the cheaters have to shell out more money.
Agree with what you're saying. The problem is It's not just cheaters who have to shell out more money. Clean players also shell out to play on ESEA etc, just for the possibility of having a fair match. I played CSGO for years despite the cheater infestation and I was excited for Valorant and a solid anticheat in place such as the one used for Overwatch.
It was probably a bad sign when toast could break the game within a week with something that should probably have been tried during playtesting (giving a gun to one character's camera). It'd at least be easier to find out on low elo if they had death cams so you can tell what's cheats and what's "i saw your foot so I fired through the wall"
You must be lucky to not get cheaters in mm on csgo. I mainly play faceit premium or ESEA and very very rarely go into mm. About 3 days ago Faceit was down and ESEA was taking ages to find a game. So I went into an mm game solo, I am Global Elite on a high trust factor account and the FIRST game I went into we had 2 people aimbotting on the enemy team and then a guy on our team rage hacked and started spin botting.... Then FOUR of the enemy team started spin botting. All of their accounts were public, all had over 1.5k hours one of them had 4k hours and was using spin bot. The whole game latest I believe less than 25 minutes as each round was over within 20-30 seconds. This is the reason why I don't play MM or avoid it like the plague. Ive only ever seen 2 hackers on faceit, blatant hackers and Ive been on there since 2015. Both of whom were found and banned. If they want to truly get rid of cheaters, or make it less enticing to cheat. They NEED to start IP banning, charging full price for the game (above £25-£30), create a monthly subscription service for competitive play, hire cheat coders, create a large team of people who's job it is to go under cover and search the cheat sites and either issue DMCA take downs, threaten law suites, or download the cheats and study them so they can plug up the exploits and cracks in their software...... The thing is all this takes time, money, and a lot of people.
3 days ago? so you still have the demo you totally watched right? mind sending it to me? IP Banning will be useless since you'll get a new one every 24hours. i think the big reasons why there are so many cheaters in our elo with high trustfactor is 1.) the low price of a cheat and 2.) the low risk of getting banned. Cheat developers currently only need to work on features more or less. they dont have to worry about vac at all because its basically non-existent. if they would just make the cheat-devs care about their security that would mean they need to put in more work -> higher production costs -> prices go up. meanwhile the risk of getting vac banned goes up aswell (it's basically 0 right now, if you get vac banned nowadays you must have just discovered fire. And avoiding Overwatch bans is in the hands of the Cheater, not the cheatdev) all in all that would mean the mass of cheaters will go down, depending on how much vac has improved. the thing is it doesnt even cost that much. they are a multi-billion dollar company. at this current time anyone can fool that flagship of a company by downloading a source, changing it up a little and be freed from vac. that has to be a joke.
@@Fezzy976 overread the part that said the 4 enemies were spinning, thought only your mate spun around sorry bout that. yeah that happens from time to time. theres a market for stolen high elo high trustfactor accounts and some people buy them to just rip them right away. met 2 full teams just like that in the last 500hrs of playtime.
I feel like Vangaurd has kinda incentivized cheating they hyped it up like some godly implemintation and one can only assume that some cheaters took that as a challenge, then they share the cheats and kinda like "rub it in their noses' in a sense. IMO they should do away with it. The average gamer with a decent eye can tell when someones cheating and report. It,s just not worth it in the end.
dude without a base level anti cheat at least the game would be unplayable. its free to play u cant rely on reports only because timmy who watched a youtube video can type up a notepad script that will let him toggle and can infinitely create accounts when this game comes out of beta. I understand and agree with the apprehension around vanguard but outright removing anti cheat in any game let alone a f2p game is just suicide.
@@aras2597 Sorry about the poor choice of words. Obviously they should have some sort of anti-cheat. And for the time being Vanguard just seems to be troublesome and finicky, causing driver issues etc. for some people. Understandably its a brand new implementation and in the long run if its updated accordingly it should be well worth it. But it definitely has scared off a decent little portion of players with the invasive ring 0 access alone.
Ever since ranked came out the game has become a lot more toxic. Of course I was anticipating that but not to this extent. I don’t think I’ve faced many cheaters but I’ve had a lot of teammates who seem to just intentionally throw the game and not care. This game needs a kick x player system like cs has. I don’t wanna waste my time playing a game I can’t win cause we are playing 4v5 and that 5th on our team intentionally rushes with the bomb to drop it in ct’s hands!
I think that vanguard is for the moment just tooo crazy and would ban anyone who make weird move, this game has also his own bug/problems so it doesn’t help... we already saw that with that streamer who were ban while charging his phone. Maybe they are testing vanguard and improve it before really using it
They shouldn't have promoted their anti cheat in the way they did. Its a challenge to cheaters to break the system when you pretend its supposed to be some uber secure game. In reality we know it only took a couple of hours for people to start cheating. So much for security, you give full access to tencent in return you still face cheaters. Vanguard is a way better data collector than anti cheat, perhaps on purpose.
the vast majority in the first clip was nothing out of the ordinary. some people get really lucky or are really good. I've seen both irl. without doing analysis on their data it's quite hard to tell if they have something special installed on their computers. an additional problem of playing these games on-line is that the latencies frequently are very variable from one second to the next, this often appears like someone is cheating. unless you're a pro it's not worth banging your head against this. there is also the fact that 50% of the players are absolute garbage at these games, the noobs and the invalids always start blaming you for being a cheater when you get lucky.
7:00 may be true, but if you want to, i can take the time and prove to you definitively that about 20-40% of my last 50 games have been infested by cheaters. i have 2400 hours in the game, have been global and linger around supreme right now. csgo still has a cheating problem and i think you play it down a little too much. like i said, HMU and i'll take the time.
I played mm today first time in a month rank supreme/global, I had blatant wh guy on my team that had knife on his acc and 2 closet cheater on other team, one guy abandoned after 5 rounds, the MM experience, csgo is still shit especially if you are good player that gets reported you just get qued with all the cheaters and toxic players
LOL i've not encountered 1 cheater in valorant yet and i've played since the first day of beta. EVERY time i play CSGO there are cheaters in 50% of games.
Maybe they should pull a CSGO and just have a cheater mode (non-prime, low trust factor) so that instead of eliminating cheaters, they can just partition them away from the rest of the community
Riot should start buying the cheats manually and then detecting the cheats. This is what Arma 3 does and that way cheats become very expensive resulting in less people buying it.
Thats genius lol
'TECHNICALLY ITS A BUG EXPLOIT RATHER THAN A HACK'
'MAN WITH THE XRAY EYES'
Every cheat is technically a bug exploit. The developers didn't intend to make the game vulnerable to hacks. Unless of course any game out there provides cheating apis with documentation... Comeing to think about it I'd very much like to play that game.
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@@Jajo3998 In assassin's Creed you can enable cheats
@@chken7114 i never knew we can enable cheat in single player rpg
Love it when a cheater says "too easy".
yeah I thought it was funny too, but without seeing the full stream it's difficult to say if he actually meant it unironically. maybe he's just testing a cheat for the stream, to see what it's about. it's not like he's hiding it.
CNM don’t you mean “2 ez”?
@@stalloneCS Stupid?
Maybe he ment too easy to make a cheat for this game
Mycon you can see the full stream on my channel 👀
4:43 'If you're not a good shot today, don't worry there are other ways to be useful'
LMAOOOOOOO
Vanguard literally blocked my mouse and keyboard after the last botched update
mine won't even launch was working fine yesterday till that hotfix now vgc service error code 1 incorrect function.
Jaggsta same here
It was fixed yesterday
You are the cheat
Same, uninstalled that garbage. I don't even know what do I expected from the ones who have the worst client in the history of gaming (League of legends client).
Also apparently there were a couple of people on reddit who claimed that Riot Vanguard turned of their cooling systems and almost fried their CPU's. Just delete it, it's not worth the risk.
We need Dan M more than ever
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Hes on teh fooking gear bois
You can see the low fov aimbot
I do like Ricardo Luis with hair, shame he had to go fully shaved due to his bald spot, bloody good looking chap with hair, skin heads dont do it for me.
I personally think richard rocks the shaved head + beard look
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bit of a beard trim job & a hair touch-up undo 90% of the visual alcohol damage
although I like this Ricardo Luis character Arc quite a lot
vanguard does more harm than good at this point
By saying it'll be impossible to make cheats for the game they just pissed off cheat creators and made them work even harder man.
Honestly that was their biggest misstep. By talking about it they way they did they issues a challenge to cheaters and clearly the cheaters won.....
@@TheBUGZNTA yeah, I imagine, now even those who wouldn't have bothered came back just to fuck with riot.
Yeah, any other company would have been low key with it and avoid attention. They could have just been modest and said that they would do their best combat cheaters. Now even non-cheaters want to cheat to just give Riot a slap.
they didn't say that you fucking idiots lmao
@@racingbeats1493 They never said it is impossible but they said that it would be very hard to make cheats. Safe to say they didn't live up to that one either. Vanguard is likely the worst anti-cheat in the market right now.
Riot really fucked up by portraying their anti cheat as something that is revolutionary, they have pretty much challenged all cheat coders to come and break their game lol
well they did offer 100k
@@jaggsta oh shit I never knew that, it's looking like some people are in for a pay day lol
Keep the content coming Rich. Just watched the Stunna interview over on the Rivalry channel, that was an amazing insight into a guy i didn't know much about. Dude definetly got some depth to him!
Yes that was a great interview, sometimes I forget how much of a professional Rich can be. the flow and depth of the interview was amazing.
Imagine beeing so Bad in FPS that U have pay for Cheats in a free2play Game
@Pluto lol sad
They probably ride a bike with 30 stabilisers 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
not really bc people buy cheats to mess with people or just to prove that the anticheat is just not good at all and yes i cheat on cs but i dont play on vac servers so i dont affect normal players but from my years of cheating i find that people like to cheat bc the game has cheaters already and wanna fight against each other or they buy them to mess with people like its not bc they are bad i just like cs where cheaters were in most games and thats what the most people cheat is bc others cheat to them and they are competitive and its not sad bc from making a cheat it find bug or floors within the game so you could think of it as penetration testing but for a game and they arent bad players like people i know were global or mg or lem stuff like but they got cheats bc they just came across cheaters
@@nero-nii cheats are gay
@@putnamehereholdmadoodle well that ur opinion but need to understand why they do not bc they are bad
I have a business proposal:
1. Invent a software that is meant to become a new line of business.
2. Explicitly market the software as practically unhackable thus taunting every script kiddie and half decent programmer with criminal energy to hack it.
3. Get hacked by every script kiddie and half decent programmer with criminal energy within the first few days of open beta.
They just poked a bear with saying that.
They never said its not possible to cheat tho, where are you getting this info from, youtube channels that were hyping up the AC?
4. Write-off the whole situation as "a real-life QA test of the vanguard so that we know what to fix" to playcate the fans
And kids in solo queue still never believe you when you say someone is cheating or using the smoke exploit HAHAHA. GAME IS TRASH
4. Have the exploits in the anti cheat fixed by the launch, because they used all known vulnerability in the closed/open beta.
Looking good rich, best of wishes to ya.
If you are prime on CSGO and not a dogshit trust factor, Hackers are a near myth of a problem. I play 2-3 comps and night at supreme level and havent seen a blatant hacker in months.
Hell, I play at SEM/GN1-2 area in 5 queues and in the past month or so with over 70 games I've seen one blatant hacker. Prime and solid trust factor. The real issue is smurfing, I see a shitload of low level accounts with 1 game on steam with too few hours in the game.
@Pluto Interesting. I'll go check out some demos eventually then.
CS:GO right now has a HUGE cheating problem as well, since you can easily check your match history for bans with a browser extension you get to know just how big it has gotten. Right now for me on global/supreme it's at least every 4th game. Quite often more then 1 in one team
That just means your trust factor is low dude.
@@tissuepaper9962 I doubt it. I can confirm an about 20% ban rate at that rank and my account is as old as Steam itself with no issues. That's also not even remotely the worst. My casual friend who played some games a few years back at GN/AK range is at 63% banned. The game always has and will have a massive hacker problem.
I have played 200 mm games in csgo and 55,5% of those games a player was banned after
I was a defender of the Riot Anti-cheat, but if it isn't even working whats the point?
Well considering it needs data in order to develop of course cheaters will be in the game now. It isnt that competitive ranks will reset, they will be banned they also fed the system data to combat the cheats in the future..
@@GxbeFay An A.I algorithm needs highly detailed and specialized training in order to produce the desired learning curve. If it was as simple as using one to analyze gameplay of convicted cheaters and compare their gameplay to non convicted gameplay, then don't you think they would have already done it? At what percentage match of a cheater do you convict someone of cheating and ban them? 95? 75? 50?. No A.I ever gets 100% accuracy, they may get around 95% but that is not 100%.
Now how would you feel if you ended up being convicted in the 5% of incorrectly labelled cheaters...
If it was as easy as you try to make it sound, it would already be a feature in every god damn multiplayer game!
@@_Jayonics but yet we havent seen this anti cheat, theres no reason to be so negative about everything about the game dude. I get that they need criticism but it really doesnt help the game getting shit on by so many people. What I'm saying is that people habemt barely given the anti cheat a chance nor the devs! As soon as they can comment on something they'll do it just to hate even if they don't care about the games future
@@GxbeFay perhaps a little bias as well. But since yesterday I have been unable to play the game because 'Vanguard is not initialised' and this is on both of my computers. And I have troubleshooted absolutely everything, and as a CS student, I mean everything and there is no fix in sight. With almost half a day spent trying to get the anti cheat to work it leaves me with a very bitter feeling towards this game.
It seems almost ironic that later in the day RL posts a video showing how cheating is already getting rampant in the closed beta no less.
So not only is the anti cheat ineffective and intrusive but also tells you program X Y Z was stopped, then you open up valorant and it's bugged in some way, then it's another reboot.
My point in summary being this anti cheat is not seemingly doing a great job in its primary function, and is instead a major pain in the ass for a lot of people just trying to play the game.
It is in fact possible that riot painted a target on their backs by creating such an 'amazing' anti cheat which led to worse outcomes than your average easyanticheat, battleye program because it gave hackers a new challenge.
@@_Jayonics ah ok yeah I nor others I know have experienced any problems with it as well as having no cheaters and it's a shame to hear this but hopefully they may decided to just change their anti cheat completely so it isnt expected to do all these amazing things but it simply does the job of an anti cheat effectively. Good luck with it, maybe the problems will be resolved on release
I have played 3 games of Valorant. All 3 with blatant hackers, not even "Ooo that was fishy." Like blatant blatant hackers. 2 on opposing team and one on my team.
Seeing you posted 23 seconds ago feels good when im looking for something to watch thanks richard
I remember there was a lot of emphasis that Riot placed on getting rid of peeker's advantage, but haven't heard anything about it since. Was that straight BS as well?
It was fine on week one of beta, but after the patch Riot confirmed something was wrong on their end and that its getting fixed
@ooczzy Again Riot confirmed its an issue since the first patch, and that its getting fixed before launch.
Good video Rich. I hadn't realized there were so many cheaters already (haven't played valorant in a while).
I really don't see the point of vanguard anymore when Valorant has just as many cheaters as cs. You probably don't see them as often in cs, because of the trust factor system, but there's plenty of them. Riot really needs to step up their anti cheat game if they want people to keep playing/having vanguard installed.
Im personally considering uninstalling vanguard, as its very annoying to me that I have to manually disable it every time I launch my pc. I'd much rather have the option to start vanguard when I want to play, restart my pc then and possibly disable it once after playing until I want to play again.
1:05 Vanguard still launches during startup. Upon watching this video I realized I've been exiting Vanguard every day for the past 2 weeks and I haven't cared to play a single map. Uninstalled and not looking back.
The cheaters problem is the scourge of our time and it affects all popular games that have been ruined by cheaters. CS:GO, Apex Legends, Call of Duty: Warzone and now Valorant.
I am afraid that online games are over now because cheats today are too easy to access and the methods for detecting them are highly ineffective. About 15-30% of cheaters are banned after a few months. Most of those who use paid or private software NEVER get caught and cheating for years.
Honest players have nothing to look for in such games anymore. Sad but true.
I was in a match where sova would shoot his arrow and sage would raise the wall and would wipe out the whole team. Don’t know if the opposite players did something. We won but it sucked I got no kills.
Tweeted to Arkem on the cheater i met and the guy probably got manual banned but yes cheating is a problem especially when it's not automatically detected.
i got 7000 hours in csgo and my trust factor is perfect.i dont remember the last time i played against cheater at LEM/SMFC/global.trust me riot will copy valve's trust factor concept soon
im also worried that riot has just been manually banning cheaters.... that solution doesnt scale
No manual bans, Riot confirmed
The game might fail before it even releases. The whole premise as to why this game got any traction was the promise of a superior anti-cheat and superior servers versus CS:GO. Currently, neither of those is true.
its free to play game it really can't fail.
@@jaggsta Plenty of empty F2P games out there. It might not fail financially, but it won't be a CS:GO killer if they continue on this path.
@@NANOTECHYT it doesnt matter what path they go down, its never going to kill CS. Its a worse game for a start and its cartoony gfx and hero shooter nonsense dont lend themselves to deep tactical play.
CS has been around for 20 years, if I had a pound for every time someone claimed a game was going to be the CS killer, Id have at least £500.
the servers feel worse than 64 tick csgo
A CS:GO clone that bricks your computer, still has cheats, and all for the low, low price of letting Emperor Winnie the Pooh have full control of your PC.
Valorant Apologists: I see this as an absolute win!
and the even the gameplay wasnt satisfying to a csgo player :/. shit game first time i got my hands on in. and i was LOOKING FORWARD TO IT because im bored of csgo
@@handlmycck the gameplay is definitely satisfying to a csgo player wtf
Valorant is a great game but vanguard has done nothing to stop cheaters. I would be diamond by now but can barely stay high gold because of how many wallhackers and aimbotters. It's quite sad that Riot seems to be hands off about this. They make statements to seem as if they are working on it but how can there be like 5-10 different working hacks right now? It's literally so common in ranked games now that I am surprised when there isnt a cheater in the lobby. Without exaggerating it's about 75% of ranked games right now. If Riot truly values competetive gaming then this should be their priority. To not only ban the accounts but ban associated ip addresses and computers from ever playing valorant again.
I'm grinding to get to diamond rank at the moment, but sometime in my matches, I simply cannot tell if people are actually good or using cheats. I tend to give them the benefit of the doubt but I really feel like I got cheated on a couple of times.
What would be the point in buying a boosted account from the beta when all the ranks are getting reset at launch anyway?
I dunno what they expected. Telling cheat coders that they won't be able to code cheats for their game will just make them want to do it more.
This is so frustrating. I just want to play a nice FPS game, but it just keeps on getting ruined by cheaters, I guess. Unlucky.
The more you tout your game as the premier game to defeat cheaters the more you fuel their desire to crack your game.
All competitive shooters have cheating problems, I come across cheaters at every rank in R6, even in Bronze when I've smurfed, and it's so easy to spot when someone is cheating vs smurfing, their movement and position gives it all away.
When I played cs:go over a year ago, all the games I were in with even high tf and prime had at least 1 cheater in. Never played it again after that, dead game
7:00 you say that like csgo does not have a cheating problem, its not like vac is simple to bypass or anything.
Well, let's face it, CS:GO/Valve doesn't exactly win a "anti-cheat of the year" award either. From what I understand, more advanced cheaters won't use wallhack or aimbot, instead they use "Radarhack" to see where you are, harder to detect and you won't see anyone aiming through the walls.
Some cheaters are actually smart, while some are not.
Vanguard is invasive while VAC is not. You can't really compare them.
11:25 They should just swap over to an account identity system and focus on keeping that database secure. I think you'll have permanent removal of cheaters while having to trust Riot with less information.
this happens even in cs people promoting cheats on streaming
We need a 'Devin Nash x Richard Lewis' Podcast
Also this is clearly a game that should of had a smaller CB test phase but Riot got greedy and saw the opportunity to force it's 20 dollar garbage skins down peoples throat and make an easy few million before they even launch.
Never understood the urge by companies to boast about their AC. Even people who make cheats for shit and giggles would take the challenge and try to make a cheat for the game. It is a huge marked for cheats anyways, enabling them by saying ANYTHING about cheats is a huge mistake.
i played 1 game and I swear i got spin bots ... uninstalled directly
Going by the knife animations, someone on Valorant's animation team is a massive CS:GO fan...
i did, just now i disconected cose they WH and aimbot... instant HS with sniper when i peek
Funny thing is, everything they promised to do better, actually sucks the most.
I think I may only have encountered a cheater once.
I don't think Riot knew what they were getting themselves in to, in reality they had no previous experience with fps cheaters and are probably realizing it now. These people are different and the lenghts they go to to cheat are crazy, and Riot is probably realizing right now that they are out of their depth.
if you barely see any in cheaters in counter strike youre not looking well enough
you knowthat with perfect toggles its and settings its pretty much impossible to get caught. usually the ones that get caught are rage cheating or dumb with their settings.
I love CSGO or other counterstrieks for that matter but of all the FPS Ive played its the most infested with cheaters you cant deny that, its literally filled with it
they should tke the korean approach and lobby to making cheating in multiplayer game settings a crime
Keep your grind STRONGG 🙏🙏🙏
Perfectly on point! Thanks for this! Greetings from Germany
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Riot egoing and calling out cheaters and challenging them to break their shit probably wasn't the best marketing move in hindsight.
honestly i have not even encountered one cheater in valorant im plat 3
There's been a rise of cheaters in cs. Straight up played against a dude advertising his CS cheat stream in chat, where we could watch him demolish us live with the cheats he was using.
I'm not one to call cheats every time i lose a game or get shot through smoke/walls. But, there's been a significant cheat increase in CS over the last few months. It used to be pretty good for a long time
If you are seeing more cheats its because your trust factor is low, so only urself to blame. I havent had a cheater in a match for months.
@@kaigreen5641 My trust factor has been high. When i queue up with a team of 5, sometimes there's that one guy that gets the red text about their trust factor being low.
It's not low. It's always been high. The hacker with the stream had 999, 999, 999 commendations? Idk if he hacked his account to have a high trust factor. No idea if that is even possible? Maybe these hackers use bots? I wouldn't know lol
Started playing CS last month and have about 50 games played in competitive. Only ran to 1 cheater and team kicked him out quickly so practically no cheaters.
In Valorant, about 10 unrated games with blatant cheaters in 3 of them. (and don't even get me started with the number of afks) I left after the last one and not looking to try the game until Riot fixes their shit.
Honestly I’ve been playing daily for the past couple months and I haven’t seen a single obvious cheater. Maybe it’s to do with my rank (mid nova) but I doubt it. It’s probably your trust factor.
It’s been months since I last played against a cheater it must be a you issue with your trust factor because me and friends never have this problem
tons of cheaters have 160-170 ping. they should just require Identification and address that matches ID to play in ranked, as well as phone number. it should be standard in gaming these days
I literaly started playing a game 15 minutes ago, after constantly being prefired by one specific person, idk if it matters that he's russian, i started to search for evidence of cheaters and yup, they're arriving
Cheater are WeirdChamps... they brag how “this is too ez” or say “your bad”.....like what?! I don’t know if they are trolling or being serious.
trolling. they just want to tilt you, make you mad. nothing else.
I had to uninstall the game and anticheat because you are exact on the point that I was willing to play a cheat free game for some intrusion; however, that is not true at this point.
something u talked about about not getting cheaters in CS:GO, there is the free versiona nd paid version of it, cheaters wont pay to cheat, there is a lot of them in the free version of the game
@ 6:20 cheater: "too easy honestly"
I'm sorry, which one of us is so bad that they need a bot to aim for them?
too easy honestly
@@Dylanhook the man hits p tho
I think Valve found the best way to handle all this sh*t with the trust factor system. Cheaters and toxic players just get matched with each other, and normal players just can have fun games. I didn't see a cheater for a long time in cs go.
I've played valorant for 4 days now. There were fishy moments but no blatant cheating. CS having tons of blatant cheaters atm was actually the reason I've tried getting a valorant key in the 1st place. I can't relate to you saying, there are not many cheaters in CS:GO atm. For me it feels like 1 out of 5 games is cheat free. And ye, I was up there in the ranks, I've played CS:GO for 5000hrs, I've played a ton of 1.6 before they even tracked the playtime, I should be able to drop some kind of an educated opinion on the topic as well.
i Personally think that Riot hasnt released the full version of the Vanguard or its true potential hasn't been realized. It really seems like they're holding back.
Free to play FPS game with a ranking system is bound to have cheaters it sucks but they should have expected it
The only reason to say riot’s anticheat is not working as intended is because they are farming the data for how the cheats are actually affecting the game files. That being said after the first update when they updated the fog of war it broke peekers advantage. On initial launch it seemed perfect but wall hacks could reach across map.
what is your source? someone in riot claimed they are farming: "data"?
Dutchygamerz No source just some logic on why it is the way it is. But in general all anticheats need to be trained to determine what is a cheat. Combine that with how specific people like alpha players, high level streamers and “pros” have access to the anticheat developers directly. I would assume they are using these players who have a better idea of someone that is cheating than a common people. If they are trying to feed better input data into the anticheat system. Training it with better data should in theory make it better in the end. The process I have seen so far is “high level player” clips section of sketchy play, sends sends information on sketchy player if they can get it. The anticheat dev goes in and scans to determine if people are cheating. I only say that because a few nights ago Shahzam’s team reported a player on their team and the devs banned the player on his team but also banned a guy who was queuing with TenZ named FreeAgentBobby(fabobby on twitch for those who want to see the meltdown that happened after if it isn’t deleted). Shahzam’s VOD from 5/6 (3 days ago) at about 6:50 timestamp.
@@shotgun_chef3265 While your statements are somewhat correct. you are working on the assumption that the Vanguard AC works using deep learning to determine cheaters. While i am pretty sure it doesn't use any kind of machine learning to achieve its purpose.
To be completely honest, it sounds a little like you don't know what you are talking about and spreading false information to imply that you do.
As far as i am aware Vanguard just uses the traditional way of anti-cheating by reading memory values or/and checking running processes for anything suspicious. These kinds of anti-cheats do not rely on data gathering to improve. instead, they are updated manually after certain software leaks have been found and reported. hence why the bounty for finding such an exploit totals 100.000 US dollars.
It is however true that anti-cheats relying on machine learning often need time to properly function. like Valve's VacNET. Do keep in mind though that valve didn't mention the fact that they were building a deep-learning anti-cheat until it already had gathered a size-able sample size.
Cheats rarely, if at all, "modify game files" as you have said. its nearly impossible to create a cheat that decompiles the files in such a way that it makes it undetectable. Cheats usually just read out memory values and edit them to achieve a hack, or implement the use of some sort of shared library like the .DLL files.
The sole reason that vanguard needs time to become better is because it takes time for all of the exploits to be found and patched, much like a regular application.
Dutchygamerz I am not the most well versed in cheating, but yes I know they don’t actually change the game files and it involves exploited dlls typically, but I would assume that would leave some sort of trace. Also I assumed it was a learning anticheat like vacnet because of their discussion of the anticheat banning based on aim movement in one of the discussions about it. That is I suppose possibly a step too far to assume that idea, but in the end the devs still need to obtain information about the cheats and how the exploits are working in order to develop a database of things the anticheat should check for correct? Or am I that uninformed that a traditional anticheat system doesn’t need to know what to look for to actually prevent known cheats? Also the other reason I would again assume it is a learning anticheat is because of the fact they intend to ban mid game. Because of that fact they would be at a severe disadvantage to the cheat developers because fresh accounts could be created to essentially debug their cheats immediately to determine if they are detectable or not.
@@shotgun_chef3265 What it all boils down to is that there are a multitude of ways of creating and countering cheats. and because of the nature of the struggle both parties try to keep their methods secret for as long as possible.
You are also not completely uninformed as you've clearly demonstrated a basic understanding of how stuff works.
As for you assumption that vanguard was a deep learning anti-cheat, your assumption could very well be correct. The proper way to "teach" a program to look for certain trends is indeed machine learning. however, my limited research into vanguard has never made any claim that it used any sort of machine learning. That is why i asked for your source at first because i might have missed an article. In theory, you could program an anti-cheat to perform similarly to deep learning, but i would consider it incredibly inefficient to do so, because it takes lots of time and you need to account for every single variable trend in players that cheat.
As for "exploiting DLLs" as you have stated. its not really an exploit specific to DLL files alone. as DLL files are simply library additions to the executable that runs the game. I for example make mods for games in the unity engine (for example My Summer Car) and use DLL's frequently to add my own specific code to the already existing game. Older games like call of duty 2 used to have cheats that you could "launch" by running a replacement executable instead of the actual call of duty executable file. This is also why for example ESEA executes the CSGO.exe file automatically to make sure you are not booting a .exe file with DLL's attached. this is also why if you were to boot CSGO from the original .exe file manually you are unable to join VAC secured servers. And also why faceit requires you to close your game before launching the anti-cheat to ensure you can only boot the proper csgo.exe using steam. As far as i am aware there are no modern competitive games that allow you to boot the executable directly specifically to avoid the issue of not being able to detect wether or not the legit version of the game was booted. Almost always a "launcher" is used nowadays.
And yes, the developers are surely gathering data that they will use to improve upon the basic vanguard anti-cheat. It wouldn't even surprise me if they are hiding certain details from the public specifically to counter cheat developers. but as far as i am aware it is done manually.
When talking about the mid-game bans it is really no different from CSGO. CSGO will still kick players that have been detected by VAC . it just doesn't end the match when a cheater is kicked like it does with valorant. This is simply a game design choice to make sure you don't waste your time with a match whose results will be made void anyway. This really doesn't have anything to do with machine learning. Both types of anti cheats, wether machine learning or not, can take their time determining wether or not a person is cheating, but for very different reasons.
A machine learning anti-cheat must first let the cheater recreate the trends that the Anti-Cheat has learned to recognize and than has to wait for these trends to cross a certain threshold. for example "has looked at players through walls for X% amount of time"
A Standard anti-cheat would just keep looking at either memory edits or processes that are specifically altering the memory addresses reserved for the game.exe process, sooner or later this program will detect something it finds to be sufficiently incriminating to warrant the ban hammer for the player in question.
both processes differ greatly but either takes at least some amount of time before you can see results.
A guy actually made a CSGO cheat once that worked perfectly and was undetectable by the then up to date version of VAC. before implementing a memory edit he knew would trigger a VAC ban after a few days of use. He single handedly created a ban wave that could rival those of valve itself
This is the link to the article, its a pretty nice read: www.pcgamesn.com/counter-strike-global-offensive/cs-go-player-releases-fake-hack-and-purposely-gets-3000-cheaters-vac-banned
i'd like to thank you for admitting you don't know everything (neither do i) and having a civil argument. its been a while since i have had one on the internet :)
Just came here to see Daddy Round Round going ham on Riot. Im enjoying all of this from a safe distance.
I'm just about done. Too many toxic people and the people that cheat are more than I can count
Gotta love the "too ez honestly" from a guy that let's a program do most of his work lol
I thought he was saying too ez to hack the game not to hit the shots
the reason there are already hacks
1: popular game
2 anticheat team was so outspoken on how they crush the cheaters, also got some ex cheat developers there
3: they use unreal engine which is pretty well known amongs the cheat devs because a lot of games use it (pubg) so it is way easier to get soemthing going there
to be fair i paly csgo for ages, and there are really a lot of cheaters, there are thousands of customers on those websites that sell mostly csgo cheats, i mean obv,. they are not all sitting down in silver, thats why faceit and esea are so "popular" mm is pretty much ruined
at least for those 2 platforms the cheaters have to shell out more money.
Agree with what you're saying. The problem is It's not just cheaters who have to shell out more money. Clean players also shell out to play on ESEA etc, just for the possibility of having a fair match. I played CSGO for years despite the cheater infestation and I was excited for Valorant and a solid anticheat in place such as the one used for Overwatch.
Got demoted off a waller lol
Guy wasnt even trying to hide it lol
yah thats so right im prolly gong back and never look back to valorant
It was probably a bad sign when toast could break the game within a week with something that should probably have been tried during playtesting (giving a gun to one character's camera).
It'd at least be easier to find out on low elo if they had death cams so you can tell what's cheats and what's "i saw your foot so I fired through the wall"
I think trustfactor is brilliant, I very rarely run into cheaters.
if your going to use the most common engine there is you need to have a good anti cheat.
I was originally very excited to try it. Uninstalled it after two days of boredom and started playing CSGO again.
You must be lucky to not get cheaters in mm on csgo. I mainly play faceit premium or ESEA and very very rarely go into mm. About 3 days ago Faceit was down and ESEA was taking ages to find a game. So I went into an mm game solo, I am Global Elite on a high trust factor account and the FIRST game I went into we had 2 people aimbotting on the enemy team and then a guy on our team rage hacked and started spin botting.... Then FOUR of the enemy team started spin botting. All of their accounts were public, all had over 1.5k hours one of them had 4k hours and was using spin bot. The whole game latest I believe less than 25 minutes as each round was over within 20-30 seconds.
This is the reason why I don't play MM or avoid it like the plague. Ive only ever seen 2 hackers on faceit, blatant hackers and Ive been on there since 2015. Both of whom were found and banned.
If they want to truly get rid of cheaters, or make it less enticing to cheat. They NEED to start IP banning, charging full price for the game (above £25-£30), create a monthly subscription service for competitive play, hire cheat coders, create a large team of people who's job it is to go under cover and search the cheat sites and either issue DMCA take downs, threaten law suites, or download the cheats and study them so they can plug up the exploits and cracks in their software......
The thing is all this takes time, money, and a lot of people.
3 days ago? so you still have the demo you totally watched right? mind sending it to me?
IP Banning will be useless since you'll get a new one every 24hours. i think the big reasons why there are so many cheaters in our elo with high trustfactor is 1.) the low price of a cheat and 2.) the low risk of getting banned.
Cheat developers currently only need to work on features more or less. they dont have to worry about vac at all because its basically non-existent. if they would just make the cheat-devs care about their security that would mean they need to put in more work -> higher production costs -> prices go up. meanwhile the risk of getting vac banned goes up aswell (it's basically 0 right now, if you get vac banned nowadays you must have just discovered fire. And avoiding Overwatch bans is in the hands of the Cheater, not the cheatdev) all in all that would mean the mass of cheaters will go down, depending on how much vac has improved.
the thing is it doesnt even cost that much. they are a multi-billion dollar company. at this current time anyone can fool that flagship of a company by downloading a source, changing it up a little and be freed from vac. that has to be a joke.
@@krob_ I didnt need to watch the demo to see them spinbotting and a guy in our team spinbotting too.
@@Fezzy976 overread the part that said the 4 enemies were spinning, thought only your mate spun around sorry bout that.
yeah that happens from time to time. theres a market for stolen high elo high trustfactor accounts and some people buy them to just rip them right away. met 2 full teams just like that in the last 500hrs of playtime.
I feel like Vangaurd has kinda incentivized cheating they hyped it up like some godly implemintation and one can only assume that some cheaters took that as a challenge, then they share the cheats and kinda like "rub it in their noses' in a sense. IMO they should do away with it. The average gamer with a decent eye can tell when someones cheating and report. It,s just not worth it in the end.
dude without a base level anti cheat at least the game would be unplayable. its free to play u cant rely on reports only because timmy who watched a youtube video can type up a notepad script that will let him toggle and can infinitely create accounts when this game comes out of beta. I understand and agree with the apprehension around vanguard but outright removing anti cheat in any game let alone a f2p game is just suicide.
@@aras2597 Sorry about the poor choice of words. Obviously they should have some sort of anti-cheat. And for the time being Vanguard just seems to be troublesome and finicky, causing driver issues etc. for some people. Understandably its a brand new implementation and in the long run if its updated accordingly it should be well worth it. But it definitely has scared off a decent little portion of players with the invasive ring 0 access alone.
They came into this very naive with this announcement, if anything i imagine that this statement of no cheaters only spurred on the top coders.
Ever since ranked came out the game has become a lot more toxic. Of course I was anticipating that but not to this extent. I don’t think I’ve faced many cheaters but I’ve had a lot of teammates who seem to just intentionally throw the game and not care. This game needs a kick x player system like cs has. I don’t wanna waste my time playing a game I can’t win cause we are playing 4v5 and that 5th on our team intentionally rushes with the bomb to drop it in ct’s hands!
just don't release on PC if you dont want as many cheaters?
thanks ricardo
Trust factor is way better than any anti-cheat. I can see a clear difference when I play my smurfs.
They should just do that, instead of lying.
I think that vanguard is for the moment just tooo crazy and would ban anyone who make weird move, this game has also his own bug/problems so it doesn’t help... we already saw that with that streamer who were ban while charging his phone. Maybe they are testing vanguard and improve it before really using it
But I’m not dev so sry if it isn’t the case
Who's this man with luscious, long hair?
Beavis
They shouldn't have promoted their anti cheat in the way they did. Its a challenge to cheaters to break the system when you pretend its supposed to be some uber secure game. In reality we know it only took a couple of hours for people to start cheating. So much for security, you give full access to tencent in return you still face cheaters. Vanguard is a way better data collector than anti cheat, perhaps on purpose.
the vast majority in the first clip was nothing out of the ordinary. some people get really lucky or are really good. I've seen both irl.
without doing analysis on their data it's quite hard to tell if they have something special installed on their computers. an additional problem of playing these games on-line is that the latencies frequently are very variable from one second to the next, this often appears like someone is cheating. unless you're a pro it's not worth banging your head against this.
there is also the fact that 50% of the players are absolute garbage at these games, the noobs and the invalids always start blaming you for being a cheater when you get lucky.
You can never really stop all cheaters but hopefully the hardware bans and such help to reduce those numbers.
I say 20,30 % of the matches have a cheater, on my team I can't see it clearly
They have a character who can revive people ... in a competetive shooter ...
And other characters can get easy kills with their ults. What's the difference?
5:55 hi this is me you are watching
7:00 may be true, but if you want to, i can take the time and prove to you definitively that about 20-40% of my last 50 games have been infested by cheaters. i have 2400 hours in the game, have been global and linger around supreme right now. csgo still has a cheating problem and i think you play it down a little too much. like i said, HMU and i'll take the time.
I play mg2 at high trust factor and haven't seen for months besides when I qued with my low trust friend
i queue with random peopls from the lobby finder and rarely get a trsut factor message on anothers screen
I played mm today first time in a month rank supreme/global, I had blatant wh guy on my team that had knife on his acc and 2 closet cheater on other team, one guy abandoned after 5 rounds, the MM experience, csgo is still shit especially if you are good player that gets reported you just get qued with all the cheaters and toxic players
@@Thes4LT Same.
CS is shit, tbh.THe fact people still support valve makes me think the majority of people who still play it seriously are retarded.
LOL i've not encountered 1 cheater in valorant yet and i've played since the first day of beta. EVERY time i play CSGO there are cheaters in 50% of games.
Still a good video with plenty good points.
Richard looking more and more like Saul from Homeland 😊
Keep up the videos they are great i still enjoy the long form content tho have a nice day Richard
Maybe they should pull a CSGO and just have a cheater mode (non-prime, low trust factor) so that instead of eliminating cheaters, they can just partition them away from the rest of the community
omg your hair is back
you cant fix it nobody can security will never be 100% there is only 2 options pay the people who makes the cheats off or hire them.