It's not a scam it's a good site all the people saying its a scam because it's not available just wait and check everyday they have to buy the skins from people you complete idiot you can't say a big company is a scam
I AM NOT BAITING, I HAD ENOUGH OF YOU PEOPLE TALKING CRAP ABOUT THE BEST TH-camR IN THE UNIVERSE NICK BUNYUN. I AM USING CAPITALS TO SHOW MY ANGER TOWARDS OTHERS HATING ON THE ALMIGHTY LEGIT GENUINE BUNYUN
you go from being so against skin gambling in one video then the next youre endorsing and getting sponsored by the same sites you just shit on. what made you jump-ships on a dime. how much are they paying you lol
My biggest problem is lots of people are sponsored by this site, and some of them being pros or people involved in esports organizations. Now that they have opened up another site called drakelounge, how do we know these players aren't fixing matches for drakemoons site? I know its a large theory but its happened before and can just as easily happen again
I remember when kliksphilip mentioned in his video that websites like these were offering him A LOT of money. He never wanted to be sponsored by them because he wouldn't want the be part of a shady deal. I really respect him for that. whoever reads this have a nice day ☺ gg
Holy fuck, $75k for a promo video from a CS player with a big following... I didn't think there was this much money in skins these days. Absolutely mental.
PowerPot It was estimated that over 5 billion dollars in skins were gambled in csgo last year. So 75k is nothing for these sites. They are easily making a million a week or more
Steven ESPN has an article about how much in skins was gambled last year and mcskillet made a video talking about how much these sites make. Both of these are easy to find. I can get you the link when I'm home from school
Why are people letting the parasites in the community like moe, sparkles,,... everyone who spreads this shit get off while filling their pockets? It's disgusting practice and it seems like people haven't learned their lessons after the whole skinbetting drama. If only we had more people with a working moral compass like RL in the community...
I never did any Drakemoon videos and even exposed them, which resulted in them at least putting in the provably fair system. (But they are still pretty much a scam since you can never withdraw like he showed in the video)
I wouldn't want to blame anyone for doing a shitty promotion video if he gets 75k for it. If people are stupid enough to actually put that much money into it without having a closer look at the company first, well, kind of their own fault
Drakemoon owns many other sites, I've started using Drakelounge (similar to csgo lounge) and they also use their own currency when you deposit and withdraw skins. They have a chat which you can only use once you deposit about $120. I have noticed that many people in the chat have been complaining about not being able to withdraw their skins, and they always say that they cost over $100. The mods and admins in the chat just keep telling them to contact support or wait, and if anyone gets angry at them then they ban them for a while. I myself have only bet using small amounts
ΛΞPHAX i have played a lot on Drakelounge (200$+) it takes a long time to get the money when you win a match. one time the bots where Down a long time too.
Think about the money a person like Moe or even Anomaly gets for making videos about Drakemoon. With that amount of viewerbase and subs, they will obviously get a fuck ton. But then imagine the money they get when they include in their contract, that the said person has to/is willing to stream himself playing on sites like drakemoon and drakewing for hours and hours... I would imagine it's a good deal :P
i once unboxed a $35 knife out of a 34 cent case. and it took a while before i could get the item. had to wait till someone deposited the knife on the site.
That "caroline" is a nominee director. Many offshore companies use a single nominee director to hide the actual owner of the company. Then the nominee director gives the actual owner a power of attorney which states on paper the real owner of the company. This information is allowed to be kept private. That is why you cannot find anything on Caroline because she is a designated nominee director to all of those other companies as well.
Who the fuck wouldn't sellout for that money. You get hate for a day and people forget about it, they move on with their lives. It would be the easiest decision of my life.
They opened a site called drakelounge there is no items to withraw under 50 bucks you have to deposit 10 so they make you play until you possibly loose anything.I tried to withdraw an item worth 20 it never came and the money never came back sent 5 tickets no answers has been 1 week now no answer on facebook and twitter.So thanks for this video to show people the truth.
you have to keep refreshing the inventory until someone deposits a cheap skin. I have been doing this and I have gotten it 8/10 times. The only time when I couldn't eventually get the skins is when I was using Firefox. The withdraw doesn't work properly on firefox so I had to use chrome and it started working instantly. also when you don't receive a trade offer usually the money returns within 20 minutes.
Similar story for me. It's extremely difficult to withdraw from this site due to all the rules and the fact that it can be very hard to find skins you can withdraw in the store. I also had the 'bug' where you withdraw and it takes your money but doesn't send you the skin. After submitting a ticket, support finally refunded me after a week, and I was eventually able to withdraw. I've still got a small amount of money on the site which I probably wont be able to withdraw because there are never any cheap skins. I'll have to bet it (and most likely lose it all) to try to run it up to ~$10 because that seems to be the cheapest skins you can ever find in the store. I wouldn't recommend anyone to use this site.
ΛΞPHAX, It seems like it depends when you want to withdraw. You have to get lucky and catch the site at the right time. If the store is starved for skins, (which seems to be the case about 90+% of the time) there's going to be a bunch of people doing exactly what you suggest (refreshing the store constantly) and your chance of withdrawing a skin before someone else snatches it up can be extremely low. Sometimes withdraws go smoothly, but most of the time it's complete hell trying to get a skin off the site. This is assuming the trading bots are even working, and a lot of times they aren't. Yeah, you're right that 'usually' the money returns within 20 minutes when it takes your money without sending you a skin. However, the times it doesn't, you're going to be waiting a week or longer on support to respond.
it's amazing that Sparkles hasn't seen a major backlash by the community. He is always sponsored by dodgy gambling companies like csgo diamonds and drake moon. He does promo vids for them too. I remember the way he intoduced csgo diamonds was sickening. He was sponsored by anserver company and crafted this nice image of how he helped this guy with a small company make a living and now he'd like to do the same for diamonds. This is why umsubbed him.
I won yesterday a Karambit Doppler FN today at Drakemoon with one of my custom cases, wasted 20$ and got it (340$). Received it today and it's on my inventory atm.
The only thing is pissing me off about those sites is there is low amount of skins on steam market. Glove Case came out several months ago prices still didnt drop cause ppl prefer to open those fake cases. The roulettes were better. I want to get a pair of Gloves but there is no stable price and no trade options on csgl. Another thing is how much those sites earn I would be happier if those money goes to valve at least they would be motivated to do more stuff to earn more money now they seems to have no idea how to stop it and we get case each quater a year one operation and soon one major a year...
Dude valve is getting money too, it's easy to stop sites like drakemoon, they depend on valve API to send and receive skins... Valve won't to stop them
It seems that other gambling sites have this similar issue where lots of people are getting errors or not getting their skins, they contact support, support gives almost everyone the same answer (i.e. "We're having site issues at the moment, sorry for the long inconvenience but we will make sure everyone will get their skins back"), and nothing happens in the end. I would know because I'm one of those current 'lots of people'.
I was on drake wing once and I was doing the crash game and I had put in $10 then tried to click stop when it reached around 10x and it kept giving me a red error message that said steam user ID not found or some bs like that and then it crashed. It basically would not lot me stop when I wanted to.
from my experience i won a knife from drakemoon, couldnt withdraw for a month, contacted customer support throughout the month and just got messages from them stalling taking days to reply. still wasnt able to withdraw after a month... ended up selling my skin and trying to win something else to withdraw and lost all the money.
What if they overcompensate the price on drakemoon so that when the steam market drops, youre forced to resell it on the site for a lower price and lose your profit ?
Drakelounge scammed me, I won alot there and then I go to bed and wake up to find out all my balance was gone and I'm out over $400 and they won't give it back but they keep saying they will, it been 25 days now.
I don't know if it's just me but clicking on their provably fair and last 100 wins page just gives you a never ending loading screen. Can anyone else confirm?
the case of skins and "opskins" prices is that they always have a difference of 20-30% because they "skin prices" are higher then normal "cash opskins prices" , that's a thing since 3 years.
If only people did the math. It will almost always be cheaper to just buy the skin you want from the Valve market, or the OPSKINS type sites. A few people will of course get lucky and get a great skin off the first few openings, but for the vast majority of us, just buy the skins you want and save your cash.
When you try to withdraw skins and it says item unavailable it's because drakemoon does not have that item in stock currently my usp kill confirmed , shadows daggers aquamaraind revenge and frontside misty are all from drakemoon , some things may seem dodgy but it's profited me
Still, on drakemoon there was a time where someone made a case with ak47s and it was super cheap and like a 90% chance to get the better ak because the system bugged, and the website started crashing because so many people opened them
Drakelounge is now offline? Says its blocked to people in the UK. This happened within the day this video was released, perhaps coincidence but seems weird.
Hey Richard, Love your vids. Just wanted to say a few things about the Cyprus aspect of Drakemoon operation based on what I know off how companies are registered around here. 1. The reason why you see one director across a whole slew of companies is that she probably works as a mid level employee in the company that provides Corporate Services. It's a common practice around here for Corporate Service providers to take mid level managers, secretaries, cleaners or pretty much any other employee who is dumb enough to agree and sign them up as directors. Despite them having none of the benefits of being directors they take on all the risks especially when the company has 'issues' with the law. So she is most likely just a nobody that just happened to sign a few papers for the boss. 2. You are unlikely to find out much about the real owners of the business by chasing the director lead. If there is one thing our money laundry industry is proud of it's hiding the real scumbags behind a facade of bullshit. 3. That parent company was basically a shelf company that later got renamed to the current name probably (hence the registered office mystery). One Corporate Service provider can have hundreds of these companies registered to their own business address. 4. As of 2012 online casinos and any form of online gambling is very much illegal in Cyprus. Sports betting on the other hand is not. But in time online gambling may be allowed as the economy is not as great after the austerity measures back in 2013. 5. Given that the parent company is registered in Cyprus, assuming it is a tax resident and doesn't have a licence for online gambling their ass is in a sling. It could be of interest to local authorities. If their Cyprus operation is just some form of front / holding company then they could be operating out of...I don't know...Antigua :D for all we know. This isn't much but could be of interest to someone.
I actually sent Drakemoon a twitter message asking for a " sponsor " just for the shits n giggles, and they responded with " ( Hello, Thank you for your email. Right now were only sponsoring youtubers with over 50k subs. ) And also i've seen TH-camrs with 20-30k subs that has been sponsored.. Even though i didnt expect to get an sponsor because i just wanted to ask to see what they would respond with.. Anyways keep up the great work man :)
The really important point about overvaluing the skins you missed is the price of the skins and the odds are what determine the price of the case. In other words overvaluing the skins makes the cases more expensive than they should be. This again just makes the player lose faster.
I did deposit 12e worth of skins and opened random cases and i got 2 knifes from 30snt case and could not withdraw them. So i sold them on drakemoon and opened covert carp cases bc i tought that they have more red skins than knifes. At the end i got 30e worth of skins traded to me and my knifes would have gave me 75e
its ilegall to not have the items in the bots thats why when i unboxed cases there and my items were not in stock i maked a chargeback on paypal and won
last major i won over 30$ by betting out of a 0.50c affiliate code and had no problem withdrawing my items. it was on their new site however, drakelounge. and yes, i had to deposit a 10$ skin before i could withdraw anything. maybe some of these problems really were just technical issues, but my experience with them was without any problems.
I used drakemoon a few months ago and was scammed out of a blue. I only invested $1. It just shows how greedy sites like this are. They'll take literally any amount of money they can get.
I'll point out the when you're talking about price discrepancies between skins and deposits, DM seems to be valuing them at market where are OP is valuing the skin at cash. When trading or selling a skin in game, theres a market value determined for any skin, say a FT vulcan is $50 on steam market. In csgo it would trade at that value. When then moved to OP skins, you sell it for sell for cash (lets say $35). The reason being is there has to be a reason for someone to pay for your skin from OP and not just purchase it from steam market. This is commonplace and is not a real issue with DM. That being said, this is in no way an endorsement to them or their business practices. Just addressing this complaint.
Sites not programmed to either make cases unavailable if certain skins are not in stock. Or replace them with other skins when you go to open them. Intentional by them. Not that it would be easy to monitor that with everyone opening cases all the time but the website is built on that system. They want your money so they will keep the cases up regardless if their whole inventory was gone. That's total bullshit. Reminds me of CSGOEmpire. I was on there a few weeks ago and you couldnt withdraw skins. Instead of temporarily shutting down the site, they thrived on people who couldnt control themselves and everyone ended up betting all their winnings away. I kept telling them it was bs what they were doing, intentionally playing with human weaknesses, if you cant withdraw most people are gonna keep betting. They kept telling me it was there problem and that they were working on it. Sites are all scam city. Shit needs to be regulated and highly taxed.
G'day Richard, I deposited 3 seperate times to drakemoon roughly 1 month ago or more. I opened some cases and got a few good skins and tried to withdraw but it would not allow me. I let it go for a week or 2 but I got fed up and opened a support ticket with PayPal, after the initial week passed I escalated it and was waiting for Drakemoons response. They never responded. But PayPal did retrieve my money though. I am not sure if you have heard of anyone get there money back. I can provide more info if you need. Regards
Also, the owners have the business located in Cyprus or w/e but what are the chances the operators of drakemoon are in that country. And the owners most likely live in a country where the practices this website are employing are illegal, wont that in the end fuck them over?
Seriously? If I got offered 150k $ for a single promotional video, I would make a lot of these and get rich. WTF... Who would - being completely honest to himself - deny such an offer? It is a life changing amount of money...
Never trusted the free spins. Seems like an easy way for them to bait you into playing and then they can turn around and go well "You just got lucky on the free spin mate" when you get nothing but shit. Ive gotten tons of dlores from free spins. But Id be in 50k debt if I had tried to win one for real.
this unable to withdraw happened to me as well. forgot exactly how long, but think it took almost 2 weeks before i was able to withdraw. fyr, i'm not getting paid or advertising drakemoon its definitively not worth it, i spent $50 and gambled for a $43 knife, it took almost 2 weeks and lots of frusturation in the process.. dont use drakemoon
I tried to add 50 dollars to drakemoon but instead of 50 it added over 400 dollars in multiple transactions. luckily it was on paypal so i managed to get the money refunded by opening a dispute on paypal.
I mostly agree with this Video, most of those betting sites have way to low win percentage and you would have higher win chance, when going to a casino. But i think there are some good site owners like the CSGODouble guy, who at least paid everything out after the "Valve betting ban".
Story (I hope is helpful): I got a knife from these 0.30$ cases, in november 2016. Everyday, I tried to withdraw it and it was impossible. BUT I did withdraw it until February 8th 2017 (4 months aprox) Before adding the custom cases feature, everything was fine, withdraws inmediatly, but after the custom cases, all low value skins are inmediatly loss, because they are never in stock. I See razonable that stock gets empty a few times, nonetheless, if you have waited for months, like me, they should send you your skin inmediatly, there is no reason why to wait because you paid for it. I talked and spammed during all those 4 months and the answer was the same: Keep trying until you get it, try between x and y hours, be patience. so, right know, I can say they are suspicious but no strong evidence of real Scam, even tough I waited 4 months, got the knife in my inventory and other skins not so common or so rare like once I got a ak47 point disarray and I could inmediatly withdraw it. mixed feelings as fuck, BUT, I feel like they are slowly dying with the inventory and leaving more users without withdraws... 50/50
i used drakemoon right when it came out, which was the first site of my knowledge that does this case opening type deal. i of course lost the money i put in but i never had THAT much trouble withdrawing skins. they werent $100+ but they were still something and i was able to withdraw after trying for a couple hours. same with the drakelounge site. i got free $5 and put in $5 so i could be eligible for withdraw and i ended up withdrawing a skin worth $50 before the site got banned in the usa. and for the drakewing site, i got free coins on there and noticed every color that it landed on was the color that had the least amount of money on it at that time. thats a super shady site.
if you plan on using any of these sites, use drakelounge. i advise against the other two. you will have trouble withdrawing skins on drakelounge bc everyone is withdrawing them so fast, but if you just be patient you will get a skin. and unless teams are fixing matches, theres no shady way you could lose unless you just bet on the wrong team. i watch a lot of pro cs so thats how i ended up with $50 skin from $10 (technically only $5 of my own money) but once again its banned in the usa now so rip.
How dont they even get sued for using pokemon. And star wars and all the other stuff these sites steal from and use without permission. They have straight ads with pikachu and shit on them. I mean comeee onnnn??
As a TH-camr who is currently sponsored by Drakemoon this video has made me decide to completely shut down any future videos i would of made for them, but there are a few things i want to say first. Firstly the money they offered me (a channel with over 50,000 subscribers) was nowhere near the region of $3,000 let alone the numbers of $50,000+ you mention in this video but to be fair i do not get half the views the bigger youtubers get so thats why.. I accepted a sponsorship from drakemoon not because of the money and i will say why in a second but i wanted and i genuinely enjoyed making content of betting skins and trying to make profit (which 99% of the time i did not), drakemoon pays me $50 per video i make for them which isn't a lot at all, especially as every video of theirs i made i would use that money they paid me to giveaway a $55 Icarus Fell skin to my subscribers. I have received multiple offers from other similar but smaller gambling sites who wanted to pay me a lot more than drakemoon was(nothing over $500), i rejected most of them because i wanted to stick to the main stream/bigger sites as i thought they had more legitimacy to them and thought that would eliminate the potential chance of me promoting a site that might not be as legit as they make out. Obviously when you promote anything there is always a chance of some kind of backlash, so when i got messages from viewers saying the crazy things they won on the site that they withdrew that gave me the green light that they are legit and they are not a bad site, its only recently that i have had a few messages from viewers saying they've had trouble withdrawing certain skins that i have stopped creating more videos of drakemoon because i would hate the thought of promoting a site that is denying people skins they have won with their own money, specifically my audience. When it comes to "Children being able to gamble on drakemoon" that is true but that happens everywhere on the internet, general online gambling sites have the exact same security when i comes to making sure you're old enough to gamble, there are no passport or drivers licence age confirming steps on these websites so its just as easy for them to click a button and start gambling there too. Again I'm not defending Drakemoon at all just saying its easy for kids to go onto any gambling sites and start gambling money they don't have (at least here in england it is). Thanks for this video by the way.
well like 2 month ago i put 100euros on drakemoon opened a knife case some other cases ! so im out of 100 euros and still cant get my knife and other skins !
finally. been waiting for this kind of video for months. but drakemon owners are actually the smartest ppl because they turn skins into real money without using OPskins
It was pretty obviously a scam when you noticed that you could make your own case. When they added that feature there is almost no way that mathematically they could make a return, especially when people figure out cases that almost always cause a profit on open. It was pretty obvious this whole time, to me at least.
I would not say that they scam people,i had 1 D Lore 2 op Medussa and few knifes,i was able to withdraw them after 7-8 days,just try every few hours i gues....
Spoiler: Yes.
Didnt you sponsor a video from them ? #goodjob
xD
UnknownShots well for 75k who wouldn't
l20swe123 touche
Thanks Richard for using our evidence and reading our document.
BONE Gaming props.
Good work my man
Great job.
gg man
It's not a scam it's a good site all the people saying its a scam because it's not available just wait and check everyday they have to buy the skins from people you complete idiot you can't say a big company is a scam
You're doing god's work.
STFU NICK BUNYUN IS BEST TH-camR UR JUST JELLY NICK BUNYUN IS AMAZING AND LEGIT AND 100% GENUINE
Boostmeister$wagBan can't tell if bait or not
I AM NOT BAITING, I HAD ENOUGH OF YOU PEOPLE TALKING CRAP ABOUT THE BEST TH-camR IN THE UNIVERSE NICK BUNYUN. I AM USING CAPITALS TO SHOW MY ANGER TOWARDS OTHERS HATING ON THE ALMIGHTY LEGIT GENUINE BUNYUN
Good work man. I knew Drakemoon was bad, but I didn't know about half this stuff..
Im glad that you declined their offer even if the truth was what Anomaly said on the stream. Looks foward for some new videos form u.
you go from being so against skin gambling in one video then the next youre endorsing and getting sponsored by the same sites you just shit on. what made you jump-ships on a dime. how much are they paying you lol
oooh shit its the McSkillet himself xp
Never said I was against skin gambling, just sites like Drakemoon which had zero odds + can't withdraw = total scam.
can you help with my mortgage from the offer they gave u, tho?
My biggest problem is lots of people are sponsored by this site, and some of them being pros or people involved in esports organizations. Now that they have opened up another site called drakelounge, how do we know these players aren't fixing matches for drakemoons site? I know its a large theory but its happened before and can just as easily happen again
BLITZ there's an obvious money trail with match fixing, that's how IBP got caught
Gianni Vecc lol, the info got leaked as well. which played a major part in it.
yeah especially if theyre getting paid 150k+
its not a large theory, history tends to repeat itself, i wouldn't get surprised if some teams are match fixing
n0xie 150k for a player. Wow, that's more than what a single player would get for wining a 250k lan tournament
So I found this new site :^)
Leroyy JeenKiiins %?
Don't give attitude Joris
for 75k id sell out. Sorry guys
TheGamemonkey505 who wouldn't?
your not wrong. Im weak willed
lol sad but tru, im pretty sure anyone with a following would sellout
TheGamemonkey505 hate to admit it but i would also
some people need to make money to survive
I remember when kliksphilip mentioned in his video that websites like these were offering him A LOT of money.
He never wanted to be sponsored by them because he wouldn't want the be part of a shady deal.
I really respect him for that.
whoever reads this have a nice day ☺ gg
ZFofficeonly Sure I respect him for doing it, but I would totally sell my ass for 150k let alone making a shitty video.
Holy fuck, $75k for a promo video from a CS player with a big following... I didn't think there was this much money in skins these days. Absolutely mental.
PowerPot ikr. peoples YEARLY salaries for 10 minutes of shit
Plus it's PER video, not a contract.
It's mad.
PowerPot It was estimated that over 5 billion dollars in skins were gambled in csgo last year. So 75k is nothing for these sites. They are easily making a million a week or more
Brandt S Source or gtfo
Steven ESPN has an article about how much in skins was gambled last year and mcskillet made a video talking about how much these sites make. Both of these are easy to find. I can get you the link when I'm home from school
Why are people letting the parasites in the community like moe, sparkles,,... everyone who spreads this shit get off while filling their pockets? It's disgusting practice and it seems like people haven't learned their lessons after the whole skinbetting drama.
If only we had more people with a working moral compass like RL in the community...
I never did any Drakemoon videos and even exposed them, which resulted in them at least putting in the provably fair system. (But they are still pretty much a scam since you can never withdraw like he showed in the video)
McSkillet my bad changed it, sorry
Thats why u put down ur video about Drakemoon?
I wouldn't want to blame anyone for doing a shitty promotion video if he gets 75k for it. If people are stupid enough to actually put that much money into it without having a closer look at the company first, well, kind of their own fault
They are a pathetic scam company who should be sued throughout their asses
Drakemoon owns many other sites, I've started using Drakelounge (similar to csgo lounge) and they also use their own currency when you deposit and withdraw skins.
They have a chat which you can only use once you deposit about $120. I have noticed that many people in the chat have been complaining about not being able to withdraw their skins, and they always say that they cost over $100. The mods and admins in the chat just keep telling them to contact support or wait, and if anyone gets angry at them then they ban them for a while.
I myself have only bet using small amounts
ΛΞPHAX lol originally you only had to deposit 80 for the chat, the cheap fucks highered it.
I forgot to say that the mods also tell people that expensive skins need "manual approval" to withdraw them, which is why they take so long
ΛΞPHAX i have played a lot on Drakelounge (200$+) it takes a long time to get the money when you win a match. one time the bots where Down a long time too.
I say this every time, but you really deserve a bigger following. Your content is consistent and consistently great. Keep up the good work Richard!
Thanks fam.
My guess would be McSkillet was one of your sources?
thebhoy2000 and warowl probs
Something _ ?
Something _ how is warowl involved? He hasn't done any promo vids from these companies, Triple A companies yes, but not these shady ones
So because he hasn't done any promo video means he has not been contacted to do some ? Great logic.
Dubspool _ because warowl hates this shit but talks a lot about how he gets contacted by these shitty sites
ALSO i find it funny that the streamers that are sponsored are almost the same then before in the phantomlord thingy.
Thanks for taking the time to make these videos richard, we could use some more people like you in the scene
150k sounds unreal lmao
Thats insane
moe , and nickbunyun had more i guess moe in drakemoon drakelounge and drakewing has more that 80k
Think about the money a person like Moe or even Anomaly gets for making videos about Drakemoon. With that amount of viewerbase and subs, they will obviously get a fuck ton. But then imagine the money they get when they include in their contract, that the said person has to/is willing to stream himself playing on sites like drakemoon and drakewing for hours and hours... I would imagine it's a good deal :P
i once unboxed a $35 knife out of a 34 cent case. and it took a while before i could get the item. had to wait till someone deposited the knife on the site.
That "caroline" is a nominee director. Many offshore companies use a single nominee director to hide the actual owner of the company. Then the nominee director gives the actual owner a power of attorney which states on paper the real owner of the company. This information is allowed to be kept private. That is why you cannot find anything on Caroline because she is a designated nominee director to all of those other companies as well.
150k? fml gotta start doing cs videos
Who the fuck wouldn't sellout for that money. You get hate for a day and people forget about it, they move on with their lives. It would be the easiest decision of my life.
It's immoral.. some people have integrity and don't want to betray their values by fucking over people who are gullible/naive.
Alright, get the pitchforks and torches, 2017 is going to be a long year guys
When it says "some items are not available" is basically like going to the casino, winning money and the casino says "sorry we are out of money"
They opened a site called drakelounge there is no items to withraw under 50 bucks you have to deposit 10 so they make you play until you possibly loose anything.I tried to withdraw an item worth 20 it never came and the money never came back sent 5 tickets no answers has been 1 week now no answer on facebook and twitter.So thanks for this video to show people the truth.
you have to keep refreshing the inventory until someone deposits a cheap skin. I have been doing this and I have gotten it 8/10 times. The only time when I couldn't eventually get the skins is when I was using Firefox. The withdraw doesn't work properly on firefox so I had to use chrome and it started working instantly.
also when you don't receive a trade offer usually the money returns within 20 minutes.
Similar story for me. It's extremely difficult to withdraw from this site due to all the rules and the fact that it can be very hard to find skins you can withdraw in the store. I also had the 'bug' where you withdraw and it takes your money but doesn't send you the skin. After submitting a ticket, support finally refunded me after a week, and I was eventually able to withdraw. I've still got a small amount of money on the site which I probably wont be able to withdraw because there are never any cheap skins. I'll have to bet it (and most likely lose it all) to try to run it up to ~$10 because that seems to be the cheapest skins you can ever find in the store.
I wouldn't recommend anyone to use this site.
ΛΞPHAX, It seems like it depends when you want to withdraw. You have to get lucky and catch the site at the right time. If the store is starved for skins, (which seems to be the case about 90+% of the time) there's going to be a bunch of people doing exactly what you suggest (refreshing the store constantly) and your chance of withdrawing a skin before someone else snatches it up can be extremely low. Sometimes withdraws go smoothly, but most of the time it's complete hell trying to get a skin off the site. This is assuming the trading bots are even working, and a lot of times they aren't.
Yeah, you're right that 'usually' the money returns within 20 minutes when it takes your money without sending you a skin. However, the times it doesn't, you're going to be waiting a week or longer on support to respond.
yep been a week now didnt give back the money contacted support sent tickets 5 times wrote on facebook twitter and all no answer.
Awwwwwwww yeeeeeeee !! Thank you Rich&Sam!!! Just made my day!
it's amazing that Sparkles hasn't seen a major backlash by the community. He is always sponsored by dodgy gambling companies like csgo diamonds and drake moon. He does promo vids for them too. I remember the way he intoduced csgo diamonds was sickening. He was sponsored by anserver company and crafted this nice image of how he helped this guy with a small company make a living and now he'd like to do the same for diamonds. This is why umsubbed him.
I won yesterday a Karambit Doppler FN today at Drakemoon with one of my custom cases, wasted 20$ and got it (340$).
Received it today and it's on my inventory atm.
zioNNN' u got lucky mate
zioNNN' the odds were against you and you got lucky
That's how gambling works. Lol
Nice try drakemoon rep.
Haplo LOL.
The only thing is pissing me off about those sites is there is low amount of skins on steam market. Glove Case came out several months ago prices still didnt drop cause ppl prefer to open those fake cases. The roulettes were better. I want to get a pair of Gloves but there is no stable price and no trade options on csgl. Another thing is how much those sites earn I would be happier if those money goes to valve at least they would be motivated to do more stuff to earn more money now they seems to have no idea how to stop it and we get case each quater a year one operation and soon one major a year...
Dude valve is getting money too, it's easy to stop sites like drakemoon, they depend on valve API to send and receive skins... Valve won't to stop them
It seems that other gambling sites have this similar issue where lots of people are getting errors or not getting their skins, they contact support, support gives almost everyone the same answer (i.e. "We're having site issues at the moment, sorry for the long inconvenience but we will make sure everyone will get their skins back"), and nothing happens in the end.
I would know because I'm one of those current 'lots of people'.
Crazy about all this, my buddy won a Karambit gamma doppler and took him 3 weeks to receive the item. He had the same "Item not available" error
I was on drake wing once and I was doing the crash game and I had put in $10 then tried to click stop when it reached around 10x and it kept giving me a red error message that said steam user ID not found or some bs like that and then it crashed. It basically would not lot me stop when I wanted to.
from my experience i won a knife from drakemoon, couldnt withdraw for a month, contacted customer support throughout the month and just got messages from them stalling taking days to reply. still wasnt able to withdraw after a month... ended up selling my skin and trying to win something else to withdraw and lost all the money.
What if they overcompensate the price on drakemoon so that when the steam market drops, youre forced to resell it on the site for a lower price and lose your profit ?
m0e was calling you out for this video. yes.... the all wise and all powerful m0e
Of course he was.
lolll oh god the mighty M0E
link or didnt happen
I know they get paid a shit ton, I wanna know is WHO THE FUCK IS RUNNING THIS??
the same people that run g2a
Ivan Nuić for real now?
and csgostrong
nvm, i can't find any credible data to back that up
plot twist valve owns drakemoon
Can I get some of this Drakemoon money? :D
lol same lmao
Yes, money for the autistic collabs, they are very expensive :P
George, god gave you a brain for a reason, please start using it.
Drakelounge scammed me, I won alot there and then I go to bed and wake up to find out all my balance was gone and I'm out over $400 and they won't give it back but they keep saying they will, it been 25 days now.
I don't know if it's just me but clicking on their provably fair and last 100 wins page just gives you a never ending loading screen. Can anyone else confirm?
the case of skins and "opskins" prices is that they always have a difference of 20-30% because they "skin prices" are higher then normal "cash opskins prices" , that's a thing since 3 years.
so i backchecked the exor company and found that there are 5 companies under exorfan that were created in a 2 day period
i was waiting for this video for so long :D
If only people did the math. It will almost always be cheaper to just buy the skin you want from the Valve market, or the OPSKINS type sites. A few people will of course get lucky and get a great skin off the first few openings, but for the vast majority of us, just buy the skins you want and save your cash.
same lol people are so ignorant and think they are gonna get lucky lol
When you try to withdraw skins and it says item unavailable it's because drakemoon does not have that item in stock currently my usp kill confirmed , shadows daggers aquamaraind revenge and frontside misty are all from drakemoon , some things may seem dodgy but it's profited me
Good job man! Keep up your amazing work bro!!
Still, on drakemoon there was a time where someone made a case with ak47s and it was super cheap and like a 90% chance to get the better ak because the system bugged, and the website started crashing because so many people opened them
man I really waited for that video
Drakelounge is now offline? Says its blocked to people in the UK. This happened within the day this video was released, perhaps coincidence but seems weird.
Hey Richard,
Love your vids. Just wanted to say a few things about the Cyprus aspect of Drakemoon operation based on what I know off how companies are registered around here.
1. The reason why you see one director across a whole slew of companies is that she probably works as a mid level employee in the company that provides Corporate Services. It's a common practice around here for Corporate Service providers to take mid level managers, secretaries, cleaners or pretty much any other employee who is dumb enough to agree and sign them up as directors. Despite them having none of the benefits of being directors they take on all the risks especially when the company has 'issues' with the law.
So she is most likely just a nobody that just happened to sign a few papers for the boss.
2. You are unlikely to find out much about the real owners of the business by chasing the director lead. If there is one thing our money laundry industry is proud of it's hiding the real scumbags behind a facade of bullshit.
3. That parent company was basically a shelf company that later got renamed to the current name probably (hence the registered office mystery). One Corporate Service provider can have hundreds of these companies registered to their own business address.
4. As of 2012 online casinos and any form of online gambling is very much illegal in Cyprus. Sports betting on the other hand is not. But in time online gambling may be allowed as the economy is not as great after the austerity measures back in 2013.
5. Given that the parent company is registered in Cyprus, assuming it is a tax resident and doesn't have a licence for online gambling their ass is in a sling. It could be of interest to local authorities.
If their Cyprus operation is just some form of front / holding company then they could be operating out of...I don't know...Antigua :D for all we know.
This isn't much but could be of interest to someone.
I actually sent Drakemoon a twitter message asking for a " sponsor " just for the shits n giggles, and they responded with "
( Hello,
Thank you for your email. Right now were only sponsoring youtubers with over 50k subs. )
And also i've seen TH-camrs with 20-30k subs that has been sponsored.. Even though i didnt expect to get an sponsor because i just wanted to ask to see what they would respond with..
Anyways keep up the great work man :)
It's completely a scam. I "won" over $70 worth of stuff but could only withdraw frkn $20 of it.
The really important point about overvaluing the skins you missed is the price of the skins and the odds are what determine the price of the case. In other words overvaluing the skins makes the cases more expensive than they should be. This again just makes the player lose faster.
I did deposit 12e worth of skins and opened random cases and i got 2 knifes from 30snt case and could not withdraw them. So i sold them on drakemoon and opened covert carp cases bc i tought that they have more red skins than knifes. At the end i got 30e worth of skins traded to me and my knifes would have gave me 75e
its ilegall to not have the items in the bots thats why when i unboxed cases there and my items were not in stock i maked a chargeback on paypal and won
I've been scammed by Drake moon couldn't get back one of the knives wtf...
" Wszystkie Ryśki to porządne chłopy " ;) great video.Props from Poland :)
last major i won over 30$ by betting out of a 0.50c affiliate code and had no problem withdrawing my items. it was on their new site however, drakelounge. and yes, i had to deposit a 10$ skin before i could withdraw anything. maybe some of these problems really were just technical issues, but my experience with them was without any problems.
same could always withdraw but now we will see on a kara fade never won a such valubale skin like this (500$+)
I used drakemoon a few months ago and was scammed out of a blue. I only invested $1. It just shows how greedy sites like this are. They'll take literally any amount of money they can get.
I'll point out the when you're talking about price discrepancies between skins and deposits, DM seems to be valuing them at market where are OP is valuing the skin at cash. When trading or selling a skin in game, theres a market value determined for any skin, say a FT vulcan is $50 on steam market. In csgo it would trade at that value. When then moved to OP skins, you sell it for sell for cash (lets say $35). The reason being is there has to be a reason for someone to pay for your skin from OP and not just purchase it from steam market. This is commonplace and is not a real issue with DM. That being said, this is in no way an endorsement to them or their business practices. Just addressing this complaint.
Sites not programmed to either make cases unavailable if certain skins are not in stock. Or replace them with other skins when you go to open them. Intentional by them. Not that it would be easy to monitor that with everyone opening cases all the time but the website is built on that system. They want your money so they will keep the cases up regardless if their whole inventory was gone. That's total bullshit. Reminds me of CSGOEmpire. I was on there a few weeks ago and you couldnt withdraw skins. Instead of temporarily shutting down the site, they thrived on people who couldnt control themselves and everyone ended up betting all their winnings away. I kept telling them it was bs what they were doing, intentionally playing with human weaknesses, if you cant withdraw most people are gonna keep betting. They kept telling me it was there problem and that they were working on it. Sites are all scam city. Shit needs to be regulated and highly taxed.
or just outright shut down. I wish valve would step off the sidelines and actually stop this as theyre the only ones that can do so
G'day Richard, I deposited 3 seperate times to drakemoon roughly 1 month ago or more. I opened some cases and got a few good skins and tried to withdraw but it would not allow me. I let it go for a week or 2 but I got fed up and opened a support ticket with PayPal, after the initial week passed I escalated it and was waiting for Drakemoons response.
They never responded. But PayPal did retrieve my money though. I am not sure if you have heard of anyone get there money back. I can provide more info if you need.
Regards
Problem is you have to klick: "this is a present" on steam. so they are safe legally????
I was one of these people, spent about $100 USD and got a knife, was never able to withdraw it..
Also, the owners have the business located in Cyprus or w/e but what are the chances the operators of drakemoon are in that country. And the owners most likely live in a country where the practices this website are employing are illegal, wont that in the end fuck them over?
Seriously? If I got offered 150k $ for a single promotional video, I would make a lot of these and get rich. WTF... Who would - being completely honest to himself - deny such an offer? It is a life changing amount of money...
+PhantomLex for $150k? Fuck yeah.
Never trusted the free spins. Seems like an easy way for them to bait you into playing and then they can turn around and go well "You just got lucky on the free spin mate" when you get nothing but shit. Ive gotten tons of dlores from free spins. But Id be in 50k debt if I had tried to win one for real.
So is it safe to say that if Moe is involved its always bad?
Great video Richard!
the 1 dislike on this video is from drakemoon
this unable to withdraw happened to me as well. forgot exactly how long, but think it took almost 2 weeks before i was able to withdraw. fyr, i'm not getting paid or advertising drakemoon
its definitively not worth it, i spent $50 and gambled for a $43 knife, it took almost 2 weeks and lots of frusturation in the process..
dont use drakemoon
kickback does the same thing... I have tried to pull skins out for 3 months now......
" no, you withdraw your skins already " :)) that reminds me so much of vulcun .
Its ya boi RL
I tried to add 50 dollars to drakemoon but instead of 50 it added over 400 dollars in multiple transactions. luckily it was on paypal so i managed to get the money refunded by opening a dispute on paypal.
Coder for a health service: 60k a year.
Talk about a website: instant 75k
what.
RL on the case RIP drakemoon
awesome work. keep it the good job !
very well done. I thank you for your hard work :)
I mostly agree with this Video, most of those betting sites have way to low win percentage and you would have higher win chance, when going to a casino. But i think there are some good site owners like the CSGODouble guy, who at least paid everything out after the "Valve betting ban".
Story (I hope is helpful): I got a knife from these 0.30$ cases, in november 2016. Everyday, I tried to withdraw it and it was impossible.
BUT I did withdraw it until February 8th 2017 (4 months aprox)
Before adding the custom cases feature, everything was fine, withdraws inmediatly, but after the custom cases, all low value skins are inmediatly loss, because they are never in stock.
I See razonable that stock gets empty a few times, nonetheless, if you have waited for months, like me, they should send you your skin inmediatly, there is no reason why to wait because you paid for it.
I talked and spammed during all those 4 months and the answer was the same: Keep trying until you get it, try between x and y hours, be patience.
so, right know, I can say they are suspicious but no strong evidence of real Scam, even tough I waited 4 months, got the knife in my inventory and other skins not so common or so rare like once I got a ak47 point disarray and I could inmediatly withdraw it.
mixed feelings as fuck, BUT, I feel like they are slowly dying with the inventory and leaving more users without withdraws...
50/50
if only the public ever found out what other site they owned before the cease and desist.
i used drakemoon right when it came out, which was the first site of my knowledge that does this case opening type deal. i of course lost the money i put in but i never had THAT much trouble withdrawing skins. they werent $100+ but they were still something and i was able to withdraw after trying for a couple hours. same with the drakelounge site. i got free $5 and put in $5 so i could be eligible for withdraw and i ended up withdrawing a skin worth $50 before the site got banned in the usa. and for the drakewing site, i got free coins on there and noticed every color that it landed on was the color that had the least amount of money on it at that time. thats a super shady site.
if you plan on using any of these sites, use drakelounge. i advise against the other two. you will have trouble withdrawing skins on drakelounge bc everyone is withdrawing them so fast, but if you just be patient you will get a skin. and unless teams are fixing matches, theres no shady way you could lose unless you just bet on the wrong team. i watch a lot of pro cs so thats how i ended up with $50 skin from $10 (technically only $5 of my own money) but once again its banned in the usa now so rip.
Richard u are such a lad. well done!.
keep it going.
You're doing the lords work out here Rich
Wasn't Anomaly gonna make an expose video on McSkillet and his affiliation to Drakemoon or something?
I love that Moe's video is the first recommendation. The man has no moral backbone.
nintendo shut down any fanproject thats actually good but drakemoon still here smh
I have some problems with skinhub, it could help you make a video about it and it would help me as well. Answer me here pls
I've always not trusted Drakemoon.
Keep up the good work. Luv u Sam
Haven't completed watching the video but u should also talk about drakewing. (A betting site) which hasn't been taken down by valve
he did in the video
How dont they even get sued for using pokemon. And star wars and all the other stuff these sites steal from and use without permission. They have straight ads with pikachu and shit on them. I mean comeee onnnn??
As a TH-camr who is currently sponsored by Drakemoon this video has made me decide to completely shut down any future videos i would of made for them, but there are a few things i want to say first.
Firstly the money they offered me (a channel with over 50,000 subscribers) was nowhere near the region of $3,000 let alone the numbers of $50,000+ you mention in this video but to be fair i do not get half the views the bigger youtubers get so thats why..
I accepted a sponsorship from drakemoon not because of the money and i will say why in a second but i wanted and i genuinely enjoyed making content of betting skins and trying to make profit (which 99% of the time i did not), drakemoon pays me $50 per video i make for them which isn't a lot at all, especially as every video of theirs i made i would use that money they paid me to giveaway a $55 Icarus Fell skin to my subscribers.
I have received multiple offers from other similar but smaller gambling sites who wanted to pay me a lot more than drakemoon was(nothing over $500), i rejected most of them because i wanted to stick to the main stream/bigger sites as i thought they had more legitimacy to them and thought that would eliminate the potential chance of me promoting a site that might not be as legit as they make out.
Obviously when you promote anything there is always a chance of some kind of backlash, so when i got messages from viewers saying the crazy things they won on the site that they withdrew that gave me the green light that they are legit and they are not a bad site, its only recently that i have had a few messages from viewers saying they've had trouble withdrawing certain skins that i have stopped creating more videos of drakemoon because i would hate the thought of promoting a site that is denying people skins they have won with their own money, specifically my audience.
When it comes to "Children being able to gamble on drakemoon" that is true but that happens everywhere on the internet, general online gambling sites have the exact same security when i comes to making sure you're old enough to gamble, there are no passport or drivers licence age confirming steps on these websites so its just as easy for them to click a button and start gambling there too.
Again I'm not defending Drakemoon at all just saying its easy for kids to go onto any gambling sites and start gambling money they don't have (at least here in england it is).
Thanks for this video by the way.
well like 2 month ago i put 100euros on drakemoon opened a knife case some other cases ! so im out of 100 euros and still cant get my knife and other skins !
finally. been waiting for this kind of video for months. but drakemon owners are actually the smartest ppl because they turn skins into real money without using OPskins
8 Months later still cant withdraw my skins.
Update: Now they are gone and i didnt got them. Nice.
It was pretty obviously a scam when you noticed that you could make your own case. When they added that feature there is almost no way that mathematically they could make a return, especially when people figure out cases that almost always cause a profit on open. It was pretty obvious this whole time, to me at least.
I've put about £600 into drakemoon.. best thing I got was a bayonet Doppler - £170
StimpakHD True
lmao i got a drakemoon ad when i opened this
Great job again Richard. Let's hope kids won't gamble on this shitty site again!
I would not say that they scam people,i had 1 D Lore 2 op Medussa and few knifes,i was able to withdraw them after 7-8 days,just try every few hours i gues....
No surprise Moe is the poster-boy for Drakemoon then.
Valve needs to do something. I thought that the csgo shuffle and lotto were the peak of the scams but it seems we have fallen back down the mountain.
are you going to cover drakemoonlounge ? i have had alot of problems withdrawing my winnings