Masters of the Air - Part Five 1x5 (First Time Watching) REACTION
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ส.ค. 2024
- Hey guys, Danny and Niamh here! This is our reaction to Masters of the Air Part Five.
Yet another emotional ride this one, this show is really repeatedly breaking us at this stage.
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The Munster raid wrapped up the bloodiest three days in Eighth Air Force’s history to that point. Eighty-eight B-17s had been lost in three days, nearly 900 men.
People may think that the scene with that bomber being thrown all over the sky is a Hollywood exageration . It was actually depicted almost exactly as described by the crew after the mission. The tail gunner in Rosenthal's plane was credited with 3 kills on this mission and received a medal for his efforts on that day .
The average life expectancy of an 8th airforce aircrewman was 6 weeks.
Rosenthal was an actual badass pilot, the way he piloted his plane is why he survived so many missions. Dude was a menace in the skies. 52 missions total .
I love that Rosie maneuvers that B17 like a fighter. So cool.
I’m a Combat Infantryman, and have a horrible time dealing with my issues. Everyday I seem fine, but I’m not.
But every time I watch this show, I cry my eyes out for these men. It’s been needed.
Seeing you cry along for then as well, helps me to cry for them again, for the men that died, those who took their own life at home, and those who I lost while they were on mission without me.
Thank you for letting me a part of your journey watching the story of these Soldiers, and thank you for being a way for me to grieve for them, and for us.
Thank you so much for helping keep us safe. God Bless you and all your fellow veterans 🙏
Prior Army EOD here, Same here brother. Just know there's a bunch of us out here if you need to talk.
@@ryanhampson673 always waiting for EOD. LOL. Thanks brother. Welcome home.
You guys were rock stars, for real.
I’m a 57 year old man. And watching Crosby break down yet at the same time holding it together, just wrecked me.
“I don’t even feel it” 😢
FYI, Bubbles did not die on the Munster Raid. He died on a raid about 6 months later. MoA moved it up for effect and episode restriction.
Indeed, it would be bad to not have this, if they don’t end up covering the Cherbourg(?) mission in the show. He would just disappear. This way, we get to mourn him, through Crosby.
That shot where Rosenthal's plane is all alone, following the rest of the bomber stream way out ahead. Damn...
That lady screaming when finding out her daughters death from the Germans just bombing away was it for Bucky and thats why he said what he did about the German civilians. They tried theyre best to keep non combatants out of harms way, but it turned out the Brits were right about bombing and hitting anything German. I think Danny hit it right on the head "maybe those chutes were someone else"
That makes perfect sense... I did not think of that.... thank you for pointing that out
"Rosie" Rosenthal was well known for doing whatever he could to keep his crew moral up so him humming a song is accurate no matter how weird it sounds or
Yeah. Rosie epitomised the expression "nerves of steel".
@peterireland4344 the song is the chant by artie Shaw. Jazz music
"Rosie" Rosenthal when he arrived at the 100th it was a month before his first mission they were partly forgotten about with the aftermath of regensburg. Then on a practice mission he flew so tight to either egan or clevens. Egan went to him afterwards and said i want you on my wing / as his wingman
a fair word of warning. We are currently only 3 days into what the us air force would later refer too as the black week.
just remember this series is based off a real battle where only 1 bomber of the 13 to go into battle that day came home and the bomber had to defend itself from wave after wave of fighters. adds more layers when you know this really happened don't it?
Railroad workers moved German military equipment, troops and of course Jews to concentration camps. Bombing railroads is not questionable.
The average American and British pilot did not yet know about the concentration camps. That happened much later on. Which is why post-Normandy, the railroad leading to Auschwitz was bombed. However, it is suspected the Top Brass knew about the camps, from the beginning.
The allies knew from may 1942 onwards.
@@ChienaAvtzon They knew from reports, they just hadn't seen any firsthand therefore their scale and severity, and soldiers definitely knew that people of certain groups had been selectively taken away by the nazis, knowing how they treat political prisoners and POW's as such is some telling, as well as allying with an element as dastardly ruthless and bloodthirsty as the Imperial Japanese of those Sino and ww2 years.
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Rosenthal, the pilot of the sole survivor, won his first silver star for this raid. Thats one level below the congressional medal of honour. It was his third mission.
The two most dangerous positions in the bombing groups were top-front and bottom rear. The squadrons in those positions often literally just disappeared as the germans whittled them down. And because those positions often had no survivors there are no records of what happened to most of them. The 100th had the misfortune of taking those positions more than most bomb groups.
The Distinguished Service Cross is between Silver Star and Medal of Honor. Rosenthal would get that for a later mission.
Ive always known that kick ass solo flying where the situation allows for it, really puts the b17 in its element, it can do stuff and fool with enemy plane's targeting approach vs its own bristling guns in ways people would never think possible, and having more engines, wing area, while not needing to turn deflect lead fully in closing near miss passes or pursuits, because the guns can pivot independently,
which can be better, easier at times because the aiming platform is much more stable and dexterous compared to fixed wing fire while pulling gs in a turn,
it can be employed as an offensive air to air gun platform,
as long as there aren't too many of them swarming.
@@adamscott7354very well explained
The actor who plays Rosie looks like flippin’ Douglas Fairbanks with that mustache and hair. 👌👌 They did a great job with the costumes, hair and make-up.
Also being the group Navigator doesnt stop Crosby from flying missions, he still has to do the missions. However in this case this raid was only a few days after the Bremen mission and he and his crew didnt have a replacement plane yet. Also he would be flying with other crews after this as group navigator.
The part that kills me is the last line of Bubbles' letter to Jean, "I wish more than anything that it had been me, because then nobody would have to write this letter." Meaning there's nobody back home for Crosby to write to; Bubbles had nobody left. Just Croz.
You 2 have the best MOTA reactions! Sincere and not overdone as too many do! Well done. Looking forward to the next episode
Thank you so much!
The actor who plays Crosby played John Wilkes Booth in the other AppleTV+ “Manhunt”. He’s so amazing. Such different characters and kills it. Its spooky.
"Rosie" Rosenthal was a lawyer in civilian life he had just got his first job when war was declared.
15:17 i did some research on this guy in real life and apparently he was known to do whatever he could to keep morale high, so i guess him humming here is an example
They were saying in interviews that they wanted the battle scene to be like a horror movie so they played the music from “The Shining” on set while filming.
I was watching another reaction and chat about this Episode.The moment when the Bombadier looked up and saw the German Fighters - it was at that time the largest grouping of fighters that the Germans threw at an attacking bomber force (300 Fighters).
The gunner that was killed his body was actually recovered and buried in france. Eventually was repatriated and buried in US.
This was perhaps the best episode yet to show how insanely brutal combat was for the bomber crews. Welcome to your introduction to Rosie Rosenthal. Mini-spoiler...recall the "combat tour" for bomber crews was 25 missions, Rosenthal completed 52! Fifty Two! I'm certainly going to have to pick up Harry Crosby's book and read it. I love the way the two of you react. Peace.
The show did a fun bit of foreshadowing that Rosie’s Riveters would finish their tour, during that party in Episode 4. First with Rosenthal’s co-pilot being pessimistic and disgusted by party. Then when Egan tried to scare Rosenthal about the survival odds.
tbf it wasnt anything different from any of the other combat scenes that we have seen. seems like every episode is a repeat of the last.
@@JoshuaDay0550 ok...tbf...BoB is kinda the same (most episodes move from battle to battle), but told from the perspective of a different individual each episode. As I understand the perspective in MotA is about to change somewhat as we follow a couple of our main characters as POWs. But...the show is called Masters of the Air...so...one should expect most episodes will focus on battles in the air. Combat in the air is different than ground battles...and I can understand would seem somewhat repetitive to a viewer...but that's what it was like. Each mission headed to the target they will face flak...then fighters...then hopefully they can drop on the target..then on the return...flak...then fighters. Lather Rinse Repeat. Note how the conditions for these airmen is different than ground troops (always stuck in the mud, slogging from place to "new" place), they get to have dances, etc., between missions...then stark terror with the chances of dying being higher than any other WW2 combatant (except submariners maybe). I don't feel MotA has achieved the level of BoB (I do think it better than The Pacific)...but it's a darn good watch.
@@kentbarnes1955 - The perspective is actually not changing. While the POWs will be featured, they are not the primary focus of the second half, according to the professional reviews. The giveaway to the identity of the real main character, is who the narrator is. Which is fine by me. As Crosby and Rosenthal are already more interesting than Cleven and Egan. As talented as Austin Butler is, Cleven is one of the worst male leads I have seen on screen in a while. He is so boring and lacks any defining personality traits. The series has Crosby narrate why the audience should care about Cleven, without ever showing it. At least, Egan’s wild and volatile personality lead to some entertaining moments, and can be blamed for why so many of the men died.
Also, it does not take much for anything to be better than “The Pacific”. That miniseries was horrible, apart from Sledge’s arc, and did a huge disservice to the men who fought the Japanese.
@@ChienaAvtzon Perhaps not completely changing...but there will be a focus on the POW experience...it is as I understand where we will cross paths with the Tuskegee Airmen (who did NOT escort bombers of the 8th Air Force) in Stalag Luft 3 (or 7?). SPOILER: it is where we will reunite Buck and Bucky.
Agreed that the character of Buck Cleven is pretty one dimensional (the only time we see him express any emotion is telling his co-pilot to "suck it up" as it were). I think they were trying to make Buck/Bucky their Winters/Nix respectively. Also, most of this was filmed in the days before/during COVID...i.e., before "Elvis" was a household face. Also agree that the characters of Crosby and Rosenthal will anchor the "air combat" portion of what's to come (I must get Crosby's book and read it).
Also also agree on the weaknesses of The Pacific...other than Sledge...I had a hard time finding anyone to relate too (I know many have the same complaint about MotA)...but they at lease DID portray the brutality of the island hoping campaign.
I'm very much enjoying MotA (but then I'm a HUGE aviation buff) and at least for now am able to resist the urge to compare it to the GOAT (Band of Brothers). Have a Blessed rest of your week.
Rosie’s humming “Chant” by Artie Shaw.
Egan actually forgot his lucky jacket but did say how Clevan always hated it.
Bucky's not wrong, though. Historically speaking, wars are best when they are brutal and quick. All citizens of a nation, whether by their direct participation, passive endorsement, or lack of resistance to their government contribute to any effort, any war, any crime, committed by a government. People don't like to take this position because it calls them to responsibility in their own lives and country, and this causes an emotional/moral bias. No country ever rose or fell, started a war or ended it, without the direct responsibility of its people. Remember- Hitler was elected before he became dictator, and it was the German people who put him there. This responsibility is the same for all countries- Germany, Japan, Russia, China, the Middle East, Britain, Ireland...the US. We all must answer for what do...or what we don't.
I read a book on W.T. Sherman and his campaign through Georgia and South Carolina. He decided that the war needed to be as brutal as possible because the more destructively it was waged, the quicker it would be over. The quicker it was over, the more lives would be saved in the long run. Harsh logic, but it seems better than the slow hemorrhages the world has endured since 1945.
@@tonyjanney1654 War isn't meant to be nice, its meant to be finished.
Another great reaction! You guys are doing an awesome job! Keep up the good work! 😊
I love watching your impassioned reactions. This was another tough one and I look forward to sharing reactions of #6 with you both ✈️✈️✈️✈️
Civilian (British) death toll of 70,000, largely due to German bombing raids during the Blitz: 40,000 civilians died in the seven-month period between September 1940 and May 1941, almost half of them in London.
The 390th Bomb Group B17 that was landing first was the bomb group that my uncle served with in WW2. B17 s were tough planes. They would come back badly damaged and the ground crews would would all night repairing them for the next mission. They would cannibalize parts off B17s that are not flyable.
Best episode yet
When you saw the friendly fighters going back. They were the P-47 Thunderbolt. At that time, it was the only long-range fighter the US had. Until the P-51 Mustang arrived later in the war. The Mustang could escort the bombers all the way to Berlin and back. Along with the P-38 Lightening twin engine fighter.
The P-51 couldn't quite make it on its own. It's the invention of the cheap to make and super light paper mache drop tanks that gave them the 600 miles of extra fuel on top of the 750 miles range to be able to go the distance with bags of room the spare.
Yea... Basic molded paper and glue changed the war for the bomber boys.
@@dubiumguy Yes, I had forgotten about the drop tanks. They would have used. Thank you for reminding me.
Song he was humming was the chant by artie shaw. Amazing piece of jazz music
Crosby and his crew were actually on much needed RandR when the mission took place after their crash. They set up a code with base to let them know how it went. It was so bad that the base broke the code in telling crosby. Crosby told the rest of his crew and there was just silence.
NOW IM CRYING AT WORK
OH NO 😭
the fighter escort was actually late to meet up they made a navigational error so used up most of the fuel before even meeting up so they couldnt stay even as long as the planners hoped
We owe the greatest generation a lot for their courage and sacrifice. They were all boys between 17 to the mid-20’s. My father entered the Navy 8 days before his 18th birthday in 1943. They drafted kids on their 18th. He served on a destroyer in the Pacific. After 57 battles he was discharge after the war in early ‘46. Pray we have no more wars! CPO USN(Ret.)
both my grand fathers served one in the navy fighting japan the other in the army in france fighting germany my uncle jimmy was on the cruiser Nashville escorting the carrier Hornet and saw the Dolittle raid happen my dad serverd i serverd my son is in Italy with the 82nd
The guy that said he wasnt going back up that did actually happen
Going to the toilet on a B17 was tricky. The pee pipes commonly froze up so they had to get creative.
Joseph "Bubbles" Payne didnt actually die on this mission but i can see why they did adapt it so he did for the story. Also the Munster raid it is true only Royal Flush commanded by "rosie" Rosenthal was the only 100th plane to make it back from the bombing.
Considering what Germany was actually using the railroads for, the rail workers were the definition of the banality of evil. These were the Germans who knew those rail lines led to the extermination camps. So it is poetic justice, the remaining pilot “Masters of the Air” is following is actually Jewish.
YALL BECAME SOLDIERS TODAY WE LOST BUBBLES TODAY NO CHANCE NO MAYBE NO DOUBT BUT WE GOTTA MOVE ON THE WAR WONT STOP SO WE CAN MOURN YOU CRY ALONE IN THE SHOWER (for two months) IM AN OLD SOLDIER I KNOW STAY STRONG GUYS THE BOYS WOULD WANT US TO FIGHT ON OLD ARMY GUY OUT
In bubbles actual death crosby and one other were angry and broken as well as they considered bubbles the best navigator in the group despite what bubbles thought.
That dogfight at the end did seem to happen. The tail gunner on royal flush even got 5 claimed kills becoming an Ace.
the B17 could manouver like that. it wasnt a fighter manourverable but it could shift when the pilot wanted it to. most of the time though they were in formation and sticking together for a reason.
17 bombers from the 100th not sure how many from the other groups with them but think it was max 300 bombers overall
that hole in the wing wasnt just a hole supposedly the was an unexploded cannon shell in it
Bit of a spoiler but hambone the guy that was stuck on the door did survive just in case we dont see him again in the series
The commanders failed all of these young men and too this day should still be held accoutable for this
5:19 Likely you have to wait episode 6 😘
The reality was the Germans weren’t pulling punches during the blitz either.
Right or wrong it brought em to their knees. War.
Wow, wow, that's too much custom she said
You didnt pull the chute right away as you would be too high and die of hypoxia or freeze.
So yeah probably a minute or two of dropping if that before pulling the chute.
I think Buck is a POW. We’ll find out I hope… what a rough one this was!
nobodys dead until we see a body. imo, buck and clemens are still alive.
@@Br0wnCh3’Buck’ IS Clevens. Gale Clevens. John Egan was known as ‘Bucky’. There’s a famous quote regarding those two, probably coming up in the next episode.
@@tileux You know what i meant
@@Br0wnCh3 actually, i didnt, but no biggie.
@@Br0wnCh3 - Except to the 100th, anyone who does not make it back to base is dead and forgotten. The war and life just moved on. Especially, since the series already introduced the 100th’s new leader in Episode 4.
14:57 Rosie is a key character guys. Even if you don't realise it yet. He's an incredible pilot.
Get ready for a nightmare💀
German bombs killed over 60.000 British civilians Most civilians were involved in the war effort. If you want to end the war you have to kill the support for it. More than 70 million people died in WWII most were civilians.
Surely a very sad loss, equally the Germans lost between 350,000 to 500,000 civilians not just necessarily through the bombing of German cities but what is astonishing is that a single night of fire bombing by the RAF followed by day explosive bombing of Dresden caused over 80,000 deaths with additional casualties on top. That’s more civilian deaths than Hiroshima’s atomic bombing. War is Hell!
@@antartis73 it was different war back then and the one thing I was tought when getting my history degree is that you cannot use todays morals to judge the past. I spent six years in the military and the lengths we go to avoid civilian casualties is more then any other country on this earth..
Are you planning to continue How to Train your dragon
We’ve just filmed the 3rd one 👀
Complete loss for words in the end from this eposode 😓😭. Grim Realities of War just like the world is watching in Ukraine n Gaza. Very disturbing n traumatising. Trouble was no long range fighter escorts like P51 n P47 that came later in 1944 bombing run raids during WWII. Exactly Crosby is not to blame.
Bremen n Munster raids by those 8th AF flyboys was the deadliest. God bless those brave men. Season 1 Episode 5 😢 broke 💔 my heart I was literally in tears all those men of 390th bomb group n their crews lost. In 12 O Colock High movie Gregory Peck acted as General Frank Savage and in movie Memphis Belle Matthew Modine as the lead pilot of the famous crew of Memphis Belle. The men n crews who died were very young. Hello from India 🇮🇳.
the problem with bombing the innocent rail workers are YES, they are not soldiers they're civilians, BUT they are still using the railways to move German military equipment. its the grim reality of war, thats just how it works
When will you react to the movie Twelve O Clock High?