You missed mentioning one item. There is a holotape in the producer's room that is the script for the Silver Shroud TV show pilot. It is just another item to give to Kent for caps.
The Silver Shroud, the questline, and the optional interactions in the DLC content are the greatest addition to Fallout 4. I would play the entire game in that costume if I could.
You can! I'm done longe time ago with that game and I only weard that nice Dress :D.. Ok to be honest I used the powersuite some times but not often :D
@@RetroIsaac only if you save him and you go back to hancock as shroud and kent will be there and to reassure him speak as shroud.(i still cant believe i managed to save him this time!) i
i just enjoy listening and learning from your lore stories Oxhorn. i dont read the lore but always come there to find out . you're like my Morgan freeman of fallout. Tip of the hat to you Oxhorn .
Personally I side with the girls who want to keep the story as true to the source material as possible. In my opinion the producers are every bit that's wrong with the Industry as they only care about what tests well and what focus groups say the audience likes despite the fact that a lot of the time humans don't know what they like or why they like it.
I agree with this statement. It is, at least in my opinion, truly best to stick as close as possible to the source material. Minor ( and I mean seriously really goddarn minor ) changes can be tolerated, but nothing noteworthingly plot changing.
I never pictured the Mistress of Mystery has anything else than a badass older woman, personally. Her background story is too rich for a younger character, and she has a sophistication and a confidence about her that I can't picture on a 20 or 30 years-old. Too bad the entertainment industry, even in real life, seems to discard women as soon as they reach 40 until they're 70.
...They could always require Claire to dye her hair brown. They could also try dubbing Shannon's voice over Claire's (although that might not work as well just due to logistics. There's no such thing as a perfect dub). But generally speaking, I do agree with the ladies in the office. I think they're more in tune with what audiences would expect to see vs what "tests well" with general audiences. Too many producers just check the boxes and never bother making sure their movies/tv shows actually makes sense or have a solid story.
I loved The Silver Shroud side-quest! It reminded me so much of the episode in the Animated Batman series: "The Grey Ghost" It was an episode where they got Adam West involved in the episode to voice-act as a fictional actor in Bruce Wayne's favorite TV show: The Grey Ghost. Adam West has had a history as playing the role of Batman in the 1960's Batman live-action show.
Manta Man not selling well and being put in the dollar bin, could this be a reference to Aqua Man? I know most people consider him to be the most useless superhero ever.
The "Aquaman is useless" thing comes specifically from the Superfriends cartoon in the 70's; Aquaman is only useless in that specific version of him. He's not a useless character otherwise.
i would've stuck with the original radio actress, guaranteeing that loyal fans of the radio show would stand by the show, not every doll can look like barbie, but you dont want to alienate your fanbase.
I feel like Hubris Comics was deliberately padded out as a location. A comic book store that just so happens to have a comic book/script writing facility AND a sound stage upstairs? The whole Silver Shroud quest is cool and all but...really? I understand that they needed to pad it out to make it more substantial as a "dungeon" but I think it would have been cooler to have a comic book store where you obtain a key item or something and then have the TV studio as separate locations. Imagine exploring that!
The TV studio I'll agree. Unless these were silent TV shows, theres no way you could make a TV show in that busy of a building. But I think the script writing area kinda makes sense... It make more sense if Hubris Comics was just this tiny local comic company.
Yeah the TV studio should have been a separate location, the whole place looks kinda amateurish to be able to afford hollywood big stars to record for a show.
Well, they were only making the pilot. Perhaps this was covered in a small makeshift studio and they would have moved to bigger one if it got picked up.
I’d do a little bit of both, actually. I like the butler idea, seeing as Silver Shroud is pretty much Batman as a mobster, but Shannon should’ve been kept as the main actor for MoM, just add a little makeup and some other kind of visual effects and viola!
its kinda fucked up when you think about it but no matter how deep these peoples stories and how much they struggled it didnt matter because pretty much everyone died anyways
I enjoyed your "what did we learn?" comments. But I have to say, I side with the girls. The fellas were looking at cold hard numbers and, in a lot of cases, I feel like these additions that "test well" really end up taking the heart out of projects with long history and a solid (rabid?) fan base behind them.
That's what I thought, the test audiences liked what they added, but Vivien knew it wouldn't fly with the target audience and jumped ship before she had a chance to go down with it. With how far the show changed from the comic, the fans may have turned away in just a few months. I think Hubris Comics gets the Corporate Darwin Award of Fallout 4 for fixing something that wasn't broken(And managing to actually break it in the process)
Yeah I came here to refresh my memory on Hubris and it's really nice how Fo76 nicely ties with this. It's quite ironic that the fired Shannon probably survived longer (and achieved more - I won't spoil anything) than the producers here.
I love that they continued this drama (in part at least) in 76. That game may have issues, but the whole Mistress of Mystery questline was one of the best it had to offer.
Y'know, maybe they liked the English Butler because Batman had one. AND DON'T SAY BATMAN DOESN'T EXIST IN FALLOUT!!! The 1st appearance of Batman was in 1939 in Detective Comics, and the Falloutverse doesn't split with our world until the 60s
JohnZ117 I'm not saying that he exists as he does in our world, maybe in Fallout he lost popularity in the 50s-60s as an excuse on why you can't find his comics anywhere, but based on when the 1st Batman comic came out, at some point he would've been a thing in the Falloutverse
You have a remarkable way of telling these stories. I hadn’t played fallout 4 in ages, but watching your videos made me super excited to start a new play through. I’m hooked again!
I swear man your videos are perfect. There's so much lore hidden in this game its cool to have somebody go through all the trouble of finding it and making a video.
Nooo! You can't kill Danse he's my cyborg boyfriend :( You just have to make sure he never leaves sanctury so he doesn't kill the synths or the ghouls or the railroad or Nick or Curie or any ghoul kittens and keep him fed with a steady supply of energy cores and fusion cells.
I LOVE reading the books in Skyrim. I even have a mod that allows time to pass while I'm reading so I can simulate spending an evening with a good book and I do it nightly in-game. But for some reason I never want to take the time to read the terminals in Fallout 4. Maybe it's because I love the interconnected lore and history of the Elder Scrolls universe, but that the collections of assorted gossip and corporate drama in Fallout don't seem to have the same epic feel to them. Or maybe it's because I can role-play reading in Skyrim during my down-time next to a warm fire, but I can't see myself reading a terminal in Fallout with ghouls and raiders hiding in the next room. In any case, because of this, your lore series is greatly appreciated. I can get all the stories without having to read them. Thanks Ox!
I was going to suggest that Jamaica Plains connection as a mystery for you and am glad to hear that you're already on it. As always an interesting story with great content. Thanks Oxhorn.
You missed that in the dressing room of the studio was a suitcase with the gear that one of the lead actors had, so presumably the actor who played the Silver Shroud or his butler was caught up on the war while he was visiting Boston to film it.
There is an interesting parallel here in this story to fans of the Fallout universe lore in regards to Fallout 4. The talk of "keeping to the lore", the disappointment of a "voice actor protagonist" not being what the "purist" expected. Several other points I am sure can be drawn together about this relating to keeping the lore pure. Also there is some nods to the legal battles to previous owners of the Fallout name. Maybe that is a stretch but I caught a lot of subliminal parallels here. That's my two caps.
Honestly, I like the compromise they came to with the screen actress getting dubbed over with the original voice actor. Better voice, a better testing actor, etc. I think it's a decent compromise.
The Zetans are presumably known of pre-war. As in the museum there's a mural of a lunar war being fought against them. The writers probably visited the museum as kids or something. As for the Hubologists having an alien blaster, some Hubologist could simply have stumbled upon one in a crashed ship the same way your character did in Fallout 3. Since Hubology is based upon Scientology, which featured a fictional alien race as it's basis, perhaps Dick Hubbel literally WAS in contact with Zetans before the war.
The Zetans were only known by top government officials, the lunar war was a conflict most likely between the People's Republic of China and the U.S.. The Enclave, which was a political elite military organisation pre-war made sure that aliens weren't known to the public. The "Zetans" was a made up species name by pre-war crack pot conspiracy theorists. I mean, the way aliens look in the Fallout series is based off of fiction of the 40s-60s of what movie producers/writers would think aliens looked like, so it sort of makes sense for the writers to choose that to depict the alien stories. fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Alien
ReverendSyn No, no it doesn't. It displays an American soldier/astronaught fighting on the moon, which was part of some conflict shortly before or duing the Great War. "It is not known from what system or what planet they come from. They have orbited and observed the Earth with two known motherships (Zeta and an unnamed one) at least since the 1600s in Earth's solar system, but humans had little real awareness of them and less evidence of their existence. Before the 1960s, only "crackpot" groups such as Quaere Verum believed in them, thinking that aliens existed but that evidence of their existence was covered up by a government conspiracy. However, after the mysterious disappearances (abducted by aliens in Zeta in fact) of the USSA space capsule Clarabella 7 and the pilot, astronaut Colonel Hartigan, during the 1960s Space Race, the aliens became recognized by national leaders. It is said that alien technology was the basis of many of the Enclave's more exotic and impressive weaponry and robotics. Toy manufacturers such as Wilson Automatoys weren't immune to these suspicions. The pre-War United States government was said to keep its alien specimens and technology mainly in Area 51 (such as a flying saucer that was later re-captured by aliens, but crashed in California probably during a flight sometime after the Great War, instantly killing the two alien pilots)" "Quaere Verum was a small pre-War organization, composed of three known members and one possible double agent, Aldwin Morley. The group's primary purpose appears to have been exposing "The Conspiracy", a supposed government coverup of the usage of alien technology as a basis for their own. Quaere Verum attempted to prove this by using a plasma pistol they believed was clearly inspired by alien technology. Quaere Verum was swiftly eradicated by the Federal government not long after the MPLX Novasurge prototype plasma pistol was stolen from them by the group. It was generally considered to be a crackpot group for their belief in the existence of an alien conspiracy."
This story reminded me of a lot of the fan reactions to how the Joker was cast back when the Dark Knight came out, people wanting Mark Hamill to play the role or at least dub over the lines, or how the character would be wearing make up rather than being permanently bleached by chemicals. I had some friends who thought Jack Nicholson couldn't be topped, but after the film came out there was no question. Heath Ledger won over fans and has gone down as one of the best villain portrayals in movies to date. Somehow I doubt the Silver Shroud would have worked out the same though, TDK came from incredible artistic integrity and a clear vision as to what that Batman series should be, meanwhile the Shroud show was being put together by committee being shown numbers and goofy things they would add that had no real artistic intentions behind them.
I didn't like Heath Ledger's joker. Quite frankly I think people think his performance was this great thing because the dude died shortly afterwards (and they feel bad saying otherwise) or they just don't know the character. The joker is a character that is having the time of his life when people are dying or he's in a life and death situation. Heath Ledger's joker quietly chuckled a couple times and was angry the rest of his performance. Did he come across unhinged... Yeah, a little but this is the joker not twoface or the penguin.
@@Kanelle88 Well that's pretty uncharitable and presumptive. Ledger's death may have won him the Oscar but people genuinely love his performance, myself included, and the portrayal has influenced back onto the comics and further adaptations. As for not knowing the Joker you're greatly simplifying the character there, both in terms of the comic book character and Ledger's performance. The story itself took a lot from the initial appearance of the character, in which he was an incredibly lethal, and punctual serial killer and terrorist, and The Killing Joke, in which Joker's whole raison d'etre is to prove all it takes is for one bad day to break someone from sanity and into madness. In the movie he succeeds on a micro level with Harvey Dent, but fails on a macro level with the people of Gotham. Furthermore he was not just chuckling quietly and being angry. He was an anarchist for sure, and violently anti-society, but he comes across to me as more aloof, but more to get under people's skin. As for his laugh, you're just wrong there buddy. Feel free to not like something other's do, but when you don't try not to assume you can read people's minds in the process.
In my opinion, live-action versions of comics/manga usually fair better if they are loyal to their source material. I believe this is because of two things. One, fans of the comics will become fans of the movie/show due to nostalgia and two, comics often have amazing writing and dialogue that altering it completely often results to a half-baked or downright awful story. My simple example is the Batman Begins Trilogy and Batman VS Superman movies. Batman Begins and its sequels were successful mainly because it captured the spirit of the modern Batman even if they changed some of the story to fit the big screen. Compare that to BvS, where they changed the story so much just so they could fit more characters into the movie and we get something that is so bad that any kind of fan of the DC universe will be appalled. Sorry for the long post but to sum it all up, it's ok for small changes due to time and budget restrictions as long as the essence of the character and story they're using will be represented properly.
I'm in the medium between the girls and the guys. As a huge comic book fan myself I empathizes with the girls, but I am also a director so I get where the guys are coming from. They needed to find a happy medium between the two groups to be successful. When I did this quest I brought Valentine with me. When we got to the final room he saids "so this is where they shot that tarible TV show." (Or something to that effect.) So obviously in the lore it was not good.
as a long time comic book fan i heard this kind of story all the time. very accurate lol im kinda a middle road guy, there are thing you can't change or what's even the point of this having this particular character in the first place? but in the other side some changes can make the transition of media alot smoother
I love the energy Oxhorn puts into these videos. "Ooh-la-la, have you seen the pictures?" His narration is just gold! Also, I wouldn't be surprised if the Mysterious Stranger fancies himself as the Wasteland version of the Silver Shroud.
Ok so I don’t know if you have already read about this but there is a friendly FERAL ghoul in the top level that will help you fight the glowing one, after which he goes and sits down next to the silver shroud costume. I speculate that he is the actor for silver shroud and even when his brain is gone he still has morals of a hero.
the boys weren't just thinking about the numbers, comic to TV transitions are tricky but two words for the actress Hair Dye. plus you can't just add in random characters from nowhere, for example Batman TAS from the DCAU introduced Harley but they gave her a backstory. adding in a random butler only works if the actual home is barely mentioned and glossed over prior like in the movie adaption of Tomb Raider, compromising the basic story-line will only not cause problems if the comic is obscure enough or if the change still carries through important elements like Tony Stark being attacked with his own weapons and Oliver Queens ship wreck, key elements that remain in most adaptations even if the most recent versions alter the orignal origins.
This was awesome Ox! You tackle a great deal of the history behind Fallout 4 that nobody else I watch does and also do so in a calm, relaxing and humorous manner. Always enjoy watching your videos and appreciate them a great deal! :D
Surprised on how tame everything ended up, usually in a prewar backstory someone get shot, somebody is mutated, they're actually producing weapons for the US military, there's a serial killer with a fetish for posing corpses, a lover's quarrel ends with with everyone killing each other, angry riots murder innocent children, a former US business man becomes an immortal cyborg. But here she just quits and that about it.
One of the places in Fallout 4 that needs to be tidied up and brought back to business. The post-nuclear war world needs Hubris now more than ever...and NEW episodes of The Silver Shroud!
I think the lawyer was dumb. Getting Tina to walk would NOY change her rights to the Mistress of Mystery character. If anything she could have gotten a judge to file an injunction against Hubris Comics to prevent the TV show from ever seeing the light of day.
Can someone tell me how terminals are still working after the bombs dropped? And how long riots and other chaos was still going on after the bombs dropped? Also how long did the military/government survive???
Budget Techs Benchmarks after the bombs drop some people still are alive and angery at the goverment some people riot and some die... the buildings that stay up will usually have terminals because of course they protected by the buildings
Budget Techs Benchmarks power cores... they last around 1000 years... plus they probably have some special type of battery... after all coddsy management to stay alive
Le Toucanator Its powered with nuclear energy. It was like a seriously upgraded terminal. I think terminals were around long before the Pipboys and they just never really upgraded them. It was made for the vaults and to last as long as the vaults did.
I think I side with the girls. I've sat through too many TV shows/movies that completely abandoned their source material. Yes, some adaptation is necessary and even good. But, when you dump the core of the characters in favor of focus groups you're going to produce crap. Its that simple. And when you have an established, devoted fan base that are the primary target audience, you're cutting your own throat.
I would have to side with the ladies on this one. In the fallout universe it was the original story that worked for comics and radio and it is the original story the public will expect. Idk about the rest of you but I have noticed that whenever Hollywood goes and messes with the story everyone knows ( cough* Ghostbusters cough*) it is always received negatively.
Jangles the Moon Monkey is a character from Captain Cosmos, so I don't think it would be Jangles they used, probably a knockoff to compete since apparently Captain Cosmos is a popular science fiction show similar to Star Trek and therefore would be competition with them once they get up and running. Wouldn't in be great if Tina Hopkins is a ghoul and you can convince her to write more Shroud stuff in Fallout 5?
After watching so many of your videos I have come to the conclusion that I must walk around the Commonwealth with my eyes shut! I have missed so much lore that you have filled in for me. Thank you.
I know a ton of people do not like Fallout 4, but I enjoyed it as much as the others and this is one of the reasons. These little side stories you come across of what went on in other people's lives and what went down good and/or bad is really cool to find and explore. And I love the exploration in this game, just walking around Boston taking it all in. Fallout 4 may not be what a lot of people wanted, but I definitely enjoyed the game flaws and all.
It's not that executives and other higher-ups have never had moments where their revisions have improved a work...but as a general rule that's true 90% of the time, the ones who are right are the ones who believe in the material for the sake of its art, who put the quality of their work ahead of its viability as a marketable product. Quality and a vision of what's right for your art are what make a product iconic and give it the power to last, not what creates cheap, short-lasting bursts of attention. You'll never regret standing firm on your principles and faith in your art as much as you'll regret being associated with something that mars your vision past recognition.
Oxhorn I would LOVE to see you do a video on Vault 118 under the Cliffside Hotel in Far harbour. That would be such a great story to hear you unravel. not to mention it's long, mysterious, provocative, and intriguing. Thanks for your work Pal.
Oxhorn, I wanted to comment on how you can find a slip of paper downstairs on a dead scavenger in the bathroom, and the note has the initials VB. I think Vadim Bobrov could have been involved in the mission. Vadim has been known to do work on the side and he is a well known bar owner who can't just be making money of of booze and rooms. He could've also hired some petty raiders or scavengers to let some more caps flow in. Just a pet theory 😊
It would be cool if you left a short segment in each video to talk about the real life counterparts to many of the places in Fallout 4. Hubris Comics is based on Newbury Comics, which was founded on Newbury Street in Boston, Massachusetts in 1978 by two MIT students.
oxhorn, i love these lore videos, thank you! i am on my first playthrough (a little bit of a latecomer to the fallout world) and i inevitably miss some story stuff. i always check lore vids after completing something, just to see what i missed.
All this story reminds me is a story of Fallout itself. On one side you have that core audience who grew on Fallout 1 & 2, who spent hours/days/years studying every last bit of it - evangelist. On the other, times have changed, years passed and there is new generation of gamers not really familiar with Fallout universe - they might recognise franchise, but not the details. They won't mind changes or inconsistencies, as long as game is interesting, so they'll stick to it and buy DLCs and other parts. You, as the producer, answering to shareholders, have to find that sweet spot - to appeal to older fans, while getting as much new players as you can (more buyers - more monies ;)). Fallout 3 was such pilot - maybe not for the hardcore fans, but managed to gather new players. I liked it and don't get me wrong - I've begun my adventure with franchise back around '01/02 and got into it while it was still canon ;). F:NV was clearly a nod to FO1/2 lovers: franchise managed to survive and catch again, fanbase began to grow and "newbies" got interested in history, so we can have some more of the "old Fallout". FO4 again made a step into future; while not the best, I believe it's a nice continuation. But then, as with lot of similar stories of rock'n'roll, Todd overdosed on Med-X and FO76 happened... Will Fallout survive, again?
I'm loving these vids! You're really good at telling us what happened and delivering the message. It honestly makes me feel more immersed even though ive read through some of the stories. Keep it up, liking and subscribed! :)
Fallout's genus was in board games and then it moved to isometric graphic computer games and on to 3D. Like Silver Shroud, people were uncomfortable with elements of each transition to a new media form. Lore puritans were in uproar as bean counters went for potentially popular but less lore abiding choices. This story hints allegorical quite strongly
I have got to stop and read more. Thanks for the background on Hubris Comics. Can't wait to see the Silver Shroud in action. I have notice a lot of your new content is with you playing on you Institute character?
Unable to make anything for my channel as I have no recording software at this time. I am learning how though so I can actually add my own works to my channel. I watch others to get information and learn. So far all videos on my channel are liked videos.
I am pretty much a purist in this case. just like I am with the joker in Batman. I would love Kevin Conroy as Batman, and I would love Shannon as the mistress of mystery.
You should do a video on the districts of Boston, what generally is there and why, interesting buildings and where you get different architecture and how they compare to the real world, today and in the 40s/50s. Especially landmarks, like the institute or the airports.
Matt As seven graves hinted at, I see WAY more similarities to the shadow than Batman, but hey, who really knows? You'd hafta ask Bethesda themselves. I just see a tad bit more of the Shadow in the silver shroud, for one, it's a radio show, for two, the radio show sounds real close to how the Shadow radio shows were. But the Alfred reference does make it a bit difficult to judge, I guess it's kinda like Preston, and Sturges being based based off of some guy that the name escapes me. Sorry to reawaken this old comment.
I'm just on a binge with this playlist and I didn't expect my name to be in this one lol, mine is Tena though, but hearing it so many times I still looked up since I'm working on something and half listening xD It's cool to hear my name from one of my fav youtubers, but its weird at the same time, a good kind of weird :3
I wish we could also get the Mistress of Mystery outfit for companions while doing the Shroud quest line.
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You could always get them the Grognak the Barbarian costume.
Hell yeah! The Mistress of Mystery was one of the Unstoppables with Grognak, Manta Man, and the Shroud!
Now we know why we couldn’t get a Mistress of Mystery costume. It was in West Virginia!
Great mod ideal
Well, if you really want it, you can find it in West Virginia.
This story is worth a TV mini-series in itself.
Wait why are they complaining about the actresses hair? Fallout only has black and white televisions
_LITERALLY UNPLAYABLE_
Oooooo good one!
Exospray forgot about that almost choked on my cookie
A Person on TH-cam BARBARIC!
LOL that's right.
Is it possible that the English Butler was a Mr Handy, and that is now serving drinks in Goodneighbour?
It could be Whitechapel Charlie
That's the one, couldn't remember his damn name without going into game.
Lord Dan - Build, Craft, Fight, Explore Possibly but I would've expected a normal mr.handy
Oh that's good props for cleverness
Lord Dan - Build, Craft, Fight, Explore you mean diamond city
You missed mentioning one item. There is a holotape in the producer's room that is the script for the Silver Shroud TV show pilot. It is just another item to give to Kent for caps.
Funny enough, he actually looks at it at 10:45
The Silver Shroud, the questline, and the optional interactions in the DLC content are the greatest addition to Fallout 4. I would play the entire game in that costume if I could.
You can! I'm done longe time ago with that game and I only weard that nice Dress :D.. Ok to be honest I used the powersuite some times but not often :D
Kent upgrades it twice i think after a while. It's a pretty viable outfit.
@@RetroIsaac only if you save him and you go back to hancock as shroud and kent will be there and to reassure him speak as shroud.(i still cant believe i managed to save him this time!) i
@@iloveowls90 lots of jet, VATS, and a combat rifle are how I saved him
@@blackvial lmao... i just scared him by talking like shroud
i just enjoy listening and learning from your lore stories Oxhorn. i dont read the lore but always come there to find out . you're like my Morgan freeman of fallout. Tip of the hat to you Oxhorn .
Totally!
Personally I side with the girls who want to keep the story as true to the source material as possible. In my opinion the producers are every bit that's wrong with the Industry as they only care about what tests well and what focus groups say the audience likes despite the fact that a lot of the time humans don't know what they like or why they like it.
Sinsystems
I agree with this statement. It is, at least in my opinion, truly best to stick as close as possible to the source material. Minor ( and I mean seriously really goddarn minor ) changes can be tolerated, but nothing noteworthingly plot changing.
You only have to look at Fallout 4's story to see this. It's actually pretty ironic.
Sinsystems even though I'm a guy I agree with you
Sinsystems yes I agree
I never pictured the Mistress of Mystery has anything else than a badass older woman, personally. Her background story is too rich for a younger character, and she has a sophistication and a confidence about her that I can't picture on a 20 or 30 years-old. Too bad the entertainment industry, even in real life, seems to discard women as soon as they reach 40 until they're 70.
You're pumping these lore videos out like nobody's business.
Keep up the good work OX
This hits so differently with us being able to explore the mistress of mystery storyline in 76
...They could always require Claire to dye her hair brown. They could also try dubbing Shannon's voice over Claire's (although that might not work as well just due to logistics. There's no such thing as a perfect dub).
But generally speaking, I do agree with the ladies in the office. I think they're more in tune with what audiences would expect to see vs what "tests well" with general audiences. Too many producers just check the boxes and never bother making sure their movies/tv shows actually makes sense or have a solid story.
I loved The Silver Shroud side-quest! It reminded me so much of the episode in the Animated Batman series: "The Grey Ghost" It was an episode where they got Adam West involved in the episode to voice-act as a fictional actor in Bruce Wayne's favorite TV show: The Grey Ghost. Adam West has had a history as playing the role of Batman in the 1960's Batman live-action show.
Manta Man not selling well and being put in the dollar bin, could this be a reference to Aqua Man? I know most people consider him to be the most useless superhero ever.
Nah dude. Aqua man is a total badass.
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The "Aquaman is useless" thing comes specifically from the Superfriends cartoon in the 70's; Aquaman is only useless in that specific version of him. He's not a useless character otherwise.
Arbbal Aquaman can throw cars and control sharks with his mind. Seems pretty useful to me.
naw the Wonder Twins are the most useless super heroes
i would've stuck with the original radio actress, guaranteeing that loyal fans of the radio show would stand by the show, not every doll can look like barbie, but you dont want to alienate your fanbase.
I feel like Hubris Comics was deliberately padded out as a location. A comic book store that just so happens to have a comic book/script writing facility AND a sound stage upstairs? The whole Silver Shroud quest is cool and all but...really?
I understand that they needed to pad it out to make it more substantial as a "dungeon" but I think it would have been cooler to have a comic book store where you obtain a key item or something and then have the TV studio as separate locations. Imagine exploring that!
The TV studio I'll agree. Unless these were silent TV shows, theres no way you could make a TV show in that busy of a building.
But I think the script writing area kinda makes sense... It make more sense if Hubris Comics was just this tiny local comic company.
They did mention dubbing over, so that could be understandable. :/
Yeah the TV studio should have been a separate location, the whole place looks kinda amateurish to be able to afford hollywood big stars to record for a show.
Well, TV still seems in it's infancy(at least culturally), so I could see it being so small and discreet like that.
Well, they were only making the pilot. Perhaps this was covered in a small makeshift studio and they would have moved to bigger one if it got picked up.
I’d do a little bit of both, actually. I like the butler idea, seeing as Silver Shroud is pretty much Batman as a mobster, but Shannon should’ve been kept as the main actor for MoM, just add a little makeup and some other kind of visual effects and viola!
its kinda fucked up when you think about it but no matter how deep these peoples stories and how much they struggled it didnt matter because pretty much everyone died anyways
Well that’s fallout for ya
I enjoyed your "what did we learn?" comments. But I have to say, I side with the girls. The fellas were looking at cold hard numbers and, in a lot of cases, I feel like these additions that "test well" really end up taking the heart out of projects with long history and a solid (rabid?) fan base behind them.
That's what I thought, the test audiences liked what they added, but Vivien knew it wouldn't fly with the target audience and jumped ship before she had a chance to go down with it. With how far the show changed from the comic, the fans may have turned away in just a few months. I think Hubris Comics gets the Corporate Darwin Award of Fallout 4 for fixing something that wasn't broken(And managing to actually break it in the process)
Test Audiences are known for ruining things, see Thomas and the Magic Railroad
This is so true about comic book television/movie adaptations in general. Thanks for the extra lore story telling Oxhorn~
I love seeing how Shannon River's story unfolds in Fallout 76
Yeah I came here to refresh my memory on Hubris and it's really nice how Fo76 nicely ties with this. It's quite ironic that the fired Shannon probably survived longer (and achieved more - I won't spoil anything) than the producers here.
I love that they continued this drama (in part at least) in 76. That game may have issues, but the whole Mistress of Mystery questline was one of the best it had to offer.
Y'know, maybe they liked the English Butler because Batman had one. AND DON'T SAY BATMAN DOESN'T EXIST IN FALLOUT!!! The 1st appearance of Batman was in 1939 in Detective Comics, and the Falloutverse doesn't split with our world until the 60s
insanegames batman doesn't exist in Fallout
Batman doesn't exist in Fallout because they didn't want to pay the licensing fees. So, they made up their own.
JohnZ117 I'm not saying that he exists as he does in our world, maybe in Fallout he lost popularity in the 50s-60s as an excuse on why you can't find his comics anywhere, but based on when the 1st Batman comic came out, at some point he would've been a thing in the Falloutverse
insanegames he never existed in fallout. ever.
Fallout split when we created the transistor, in the early 50s.
I'm pretty sure the Butler was indeed in the TV series, the Ghoul fellow mentions him when he's saying he could never be the shroud himself.
If one more Fusion Core is consumed, then Ox will be riding in a 69.
+Gref Steel A Power 69!
Needs to listen to Diamond Radio for that Rocket 69 song lol
Sounds like the drama that goes on when big changes happen with comic book adaptations.
Oxhorn has grown so much since like 2 months ago
...My god, you're a great narrator.
Also your "Is It Morally Wrong To Kill Pickman?" video is fantastic.
You have a remarkable way of telling these stories. I hadn’t played fallout 4 in ages, but watching your videos made me super excited to start a new play through. I’m hooked again!
I swear man your videos are perfect. There's so much lore hidden in this game its cool to have somebody go through all the trouble of finding it and making a video.
Can you do a morale study on killing danse
Luis Socorro YES
You bet, adding it to my list!
Nooo! You can't kill Danse he's my cyborg boyfriend :( You just have to make sure he never leaves sanctury so he doesn't kill the synths or the ghouls or the railroad or Nick or Curie or any ghoul kittens and keep him fed with a steady supply of energy cores and fusion cells.
Joey Tansey so a needy dog?
I LOVE reading the books in Skyrim. I even have a mod that allows time to pass while I'm reading so I can simulate spending an evening with a good book and I do it nightly in-game. But for some reason I never want to take the time to read the terminals in Fallout 4. Maybe it's because I love the interconnected lore and history of the Elder Scrolls universe, but that the collections of assorted gossip and corporate drama in Fallout don't seem to have the same epic feel to them. Or maybe it's because I can role-play reading in Skyrim during my down-time next to a warm fire, but I can't see myself reading a terminal in Fallout with ghouls and raiders hiding in the next room.
In any case, because of this, your lore series is greatly appreciated. I can get all the stories without having to read them. Thanks Ox!
Am I the only one to notice the scavenger coming back to life at 2:15
What’s going on with the pricing of comics? You’ve got 40 dollar comics, 29 dollars, 15 dollars and then you’ve got a dollar comic?
I was going to suggest that Jamaica Plains connection as a mystery for you and am glad to hear that you're already on it. As always an interesting story with great content. Thanks Oxhorn.
You missed that in the dressing room of the studio was a suitcase with the gear that one of the lead actors had, so presumably the actor who played the Silver Shroud or his butler was caught up on the war while he was visiting Boston to film it.
There is an interesting parallel here in this story to fans of the Fallout universe lore in regards to Fallout 4. The talk of "keeping to the lore", the disappointment of a "voice actor protagonist" not being what the "purist" expected. Several other points I am sure can be drawn together about this relating to keeping the lore pure. Also there is some nods to the legal battles to previous owners of the Fallout name. Maybe that is a stretch but I caught a lot of subliminal parallels here. That's my two caps.
Even if Tina quit the show, she still owns 50%.
Honestly, I like the compromise they came to with the screen actress getting dubbed over with the original voice actor. Better voice, a better testing actor, etc. I think it's a decent compromise.
At times your voice reminds me of Tom Hank's voice. Great videos by the way. They give me something to listen to while I play Fallout.
How do the writers of "Astoundingly Awesome Tales" know of the Zetans?
Chi-Bowl how do the hubologist have a alien blaster is the better question.
The Zetans are presumably known of pre-war. As in the museum there's a mural of a lunar war being fought against them. The writers probably visited the museum as kids or something.
As for the Hubologists having an alien blaster, some Hubologist could simply have stumbled upon one in a crashed ship the same way your character did in Fallout 3.
Since Hubology is based upon Scientology, which featured a fictional alien race as it's basis, perhaps Dick Hubbel literally WAS in contact with Zetans before the war.
The Zetans were only known by top government officials, the lunar war was a conflict most likely between the People's Republic of China and the U.S.. The Enclave, which was a political elite military organisation pre-war made sure that aliens weren't known to the public.
The "Zetans" was a made up species name by pre-war crack pot conspiracy theorists. I mean, the way aliens look in the Fallout series is based off of fiction of the 40s-60s of what movie producers/writers would think aliens looked like, so it sort of makes sense for the writers to choose that to depict the alien stories.
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The mural in the very PUBLIC museum clearly demonstrates that other people besides the govt knew of the Aliens
ReverendSyn No, no it doesn't. It displays an American soldier/astronaught fighting on the moon, which was part of some conflict shortly before or duing the Great War.
"It is not known from what system or what planet they come from. They have orbited and observed the Earth with two known motherships (Zeta and an unnamed one) at least since the 1600s in Earth's solar system, but humans had little real awareness of them and less evidence of their existence.
Before the 1960s, only "crackpot" groups such as Quaere Verum believed in them, thinking that aliens existed but that evidence of their existence was covered up by a government conspiracy.
However, after the mysterious disappearances (abducted by aliens in Zeta in fact) of the USSA space capsule Clarabella 7 and the pilot, astronaut Colonel Hartigan, during the 1960s Space Race, the aliens became recognized by national leaders. It is said that alien technology was the basis of many of the Enclave's more exotic and impressive weaponry and robotics.
Toy manufacturers such as Wilson Automatoys weren't immune to these suspicions.
The pre-War United States government was said to keep its alien specimens and technology mainly in Area 51 (such as a flying saucer that was later re-captured by aliens, but crashed in California probably during a flight sometime after the Great War, instantly killing the two alien pilots)"
"Quaere Verum was a small pre-War organization, composed of three known members and one possible double agent, Aldwin Morley.
The group's primary purpose appears to have been exposing "The Conspiracy", a supposed government coverup of the usage of alien technology as a basis for their own. Quaere Verum attempted to prove this by using a plasma pistol they believed was clearly inspired by alien technology.
Quaere Verum was swiftly eradicated by the Federal government not long after the MPLX Novasurge prototype plasma pistol was stolen from them by the group.
It was generally considered to be a crackpot group for their belief in the existence of an alien conspiracy."
The Grognak outfit and axe go great with the mascot head.
This story reminded me of a lot of the fan reactions to how the Joker was cast back when the Dark Knight came out, people wanting Mark Hamill to play the role or at least dub over the lines, or how the character would be wearing make up rather than being permanently bleached by chemicals. I had some friends who thought Jack Nicholson couldn't be topped, but after the film came out there was no question. Heath Ledger won over fans and has gone down as one of the best villain portrayals in movies to date.
Somehow I doubt the Silver Shroud would have worked out the same though, TDK came from incredible artistic integrity and a clear vision as to what that Batman series should be, meanwhile the Shroud show was being put together by committee being shown numbers and goofy things they would add that had no real artistic intentions behind them.
I didn't like Heath Ledger's joker. Quite frankly I think people think his performance was this great thing because the dude died shortly afterwards (and they feel bad saying otherwise) or they just don't know the character. The joker is a character that is having the time of his life when people are dying or he's in a life and death situation. Heath Ledger's joker quietly chuckled a couple times and was angry the rest of his performance. Did he come across unhinged... Yeah, a little but this is the joker not twoface or the penguin.
@@Kanelle88 Well that's pretty uncharitable and presumptive. Ledger's death may have won him the Oscar but people genuinely love his performance, myself included, and the portrayal has influenced back onto the comics and further adaptations.
As for not knowing the Joker you're greatly simplifying the character there, both in terms of the comic book character and Ledger's performance. The story itself took a lot from the initial appearance of the character, in which he was an incredibly lethal, and punctual serial killer and terrorist, and The Killing Joke, in which Joker's whole raison d'etre is to prove all it takes is for one bad day to break someone from sanity and into madness. In the movie he succeeds on a micro level with Harvey Dent, but fails on a macro level with the people of Gotham.
Furthermore he was not just chuckling quietly and being angry. He was an anarchist for sure, and violently anti-society, but he comes across to me as more aloof, but more to get under people's skin.
As for his laugh, you're just wrong there buddy.
Feel free to not like something other's do, but when you don't try not to assume you can read people's minds in the process.
ahh hubris comics, the building I entered I basically ran into then leaving when all the ghouls attached me my first play through
In my opinion, live-action versions of comics/manga usually fair better if they are loyal to their source material. I believe this is because of two things. One, fans of the comics will become fans of the movie/show due to nostalgia and two, comics often have amazing writing and dialogue that altering it completely often results to a half-baked or downright awful story. My simple example is the Batman Begins Trilogy and Batman VS Superman movies. Batman Begins and its sequels were successful mainly because it captured the spirit of the modern Batman even if they changed some of the story to fit the big screen. Compare that to BvS, where they changed the story so much just so they could fit more characters into the movie and we get something that is so bad that any kind of fan of the DC universe will be appalled. Sorry for the long post but to sum it all up, it's ok for small changes due to time and budget restrictions as long as the essence of the character and story they're using will be represented properly.
I'm in the medium between the girls and the guys. As a huge comic book fan myself I empathizes with the girls, but I am also a director so I get where the guys are coming from. They needed to find a happy medium between the two groups to be successful. When I did this quest I brought Valentine with me. When we got to the final room he saids "so this is where they shot that tarible TV show." (Or something to that effect.) So obviously in the lore it was not good.
as a long time comic book fan i heard this kind of story all the time. very accurate lol
im kinda a middle road guy, there are thing you can't change or what's even the point of this having this particular
character in the first place? but in the other side some changes can make the transition of media alot smoother
I love the energy Oxhorn puts into these videos. "Ooh-la-la, have you seen the pictures?" His narration is just gold! Also, I wouldn't be surprised if the Mysterious Stranger fancies himself as the Wasteland version of the Silver Shroud.
I side with the minutemen
Mc Uber Boss i sided with minute men and BOS Institute is evil hubolugist are crazy
I side institute
There is another Settlement that needs your help.
"Crime doesn't take a holiday, and neither do I." -Batman
Ok so I don’t know if you have already read about this but there is a friendly FERAL ghoul in the top level that will help you fight the glowing one, after which he goes and sits down next to the silver shroud costume. I speculate that he is the actor for silver shroud and even when his brain is gone he still has morals of a hero.
the boys weren't just thinking about the numbers, comic to TV transitions are tricky but two words for the actress Hair Dye.
plus you can't just add in random characters from nowhere, for example Batman TAS from the DCAU introduced Harley but they gave her a backstory. adding in a random butler only works if the actual home is barely mentioned and glossed over prior like in the movie adaption of Tomb Raider, compromising the basic story-line will only not cause problems if the comic is obscure enough or if the change still carries through important elements like Tony Stark being attacked with his own weapons and Oliver Queens ship wreck, key elements that remain in most adaptations even if the most recent versions alter the orignal origins.
This was awesome Ox! You tackle a great deal of the history behind Fallout 4 that nobody else I watch does and also do so in a calm, relaxing and humorous manner. Always enjoy watching your videos and appreciate them a great deal! :D
Surprised on how tame everything ended up, usually in a prewar backstory someone get shot, somebody is mutated, they're actually producing weapons for the US military, there's a serial killer with a fetish for posing corpses, a lover's quarrel ends with with everyone killing each other, angry riots murder innocent children, a former US business man becomes an immortal cyborg. But here she just quits and that about it.
I've never heard my name said so many times in a video.
Great video as always btw
One of the places in Fallout 4 that needs to be tidied up and brought back to business. The post-nuclear war world needs Hubris now more than ever...and NEW episodes of The Silver Shroud!
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Shannon Rivers: laughs in director of the order of mistery.
Oxhorn is the only youtuber truly that I can go to for fallout 4 lore
I think the lawyer was dumb. Getting Tina to walk would NOY change her rights to the Mistress of Mystery character. If anything she could have gotten a judge to file an injunction against Hubris Comics to prevent the TV show from ever seeing the light of day.
Watch that the "mysterious stranger" who helps the player out in vats is just someone who fanboys over the silver shroud LOL
I agree with the purists.
Things should be done right, or not at all. A lot of shows and movies have been ruined by producers just staring at figures.
419 eps + Christmas special = 420 DAMN YOU BETHESDA!
Can someone tell me how terminals are still working after the bombs dropped? And how long riots and other chaos was still going on after the bombs dropped? Also how long did the military/government survive???
Budget Techs Benchmarks after the bombs drop some people still are alive and angery at the goverment some people riot and some die... the buildings that stay up will usually have terminals because of course they protected by the buildings
Yeah, but how are they powered? If there was any nuclear plants I am pretty sure they would be out of nuclear fuel.
Budget Techs Benchmarks power cores... they last around 1000 years... plus they probably have some special type of battery... after all coddsy management to stay alive
Budget Techs Benchmarks, here's a question, how does the pip boy work? It's similar to terminals but not exactly like them.
Le Toucanator Its powered with nuclear energy. It was like a seriously upgraded terminal. I think terminals were around long before the Pipboys and they just never really upgraded them. It was made for the vaults and to last as long as the vaults did.
I think I side with the girls. I've sat through too many TV shows/movies that completely abandoned their source material. Yes, some adaptation is necessary and even good. But, when you dump the core of the characters in favor of focus groups you're going to produce crap. Its that simple. And when you have an established, devoted fan base that are the primary target audience, you're cutting your own throat.
I would have to side with the ladies on this one. In the fallout universe it was the original story that worked for comics and radio and it is the original story the public will expect.
Idk about the rest of you but I have noticed that whenever Hollywood goes and messes with the story everyone knows ( cough* Ghostbusters cough*) it is always received negatively.
In my playthrough I never picked up the silver smg, Kent said that he had made one for me after I accepted the role of the silvet shroud.
Jangles the Moon Monkey is a character from Captain Cosmos, so I don't think it would be Jangles they used, probably a knockoff to compete since apparently Captain Cosmos is a popular science fiction show similar to Star Trek and therefore would be competition with them once they get up and running.
Wouldn't in be great if Tina Hopkins is a ghoul and you can convince her to write more Shroud stuff in Fallout 5?
I think the fact that "Manta-Man" didn't sell as well is a reference of how everyone says "Aqua-Man sucks"
After watching so many of your videos I have come to the conclusion that I must walk around the Commonwealth with my eyes shut! I have missed so much lore that you have filled in for me. Thank you.
I know a ton of people do not like Fallout 4, but I enjoyed it as much as the others and this is one of the reasons. These little side stories you come across of what went on in other people's lives and what went down good and/or bad is really cool to find and explore.
And I love the exploration in this game, just walking around Boston taking it all in. Fallout 4 may not be what a lot of people wanted, but I definitely enjoyed the game flaws and all.
Came for the WoW ROLFMAO video years ago, stayed for the voice and content. Thanks Oxhorn!
It's not that executives and other higher-ups have never had moments where their revisions have improved a work...but as a general rule that's true 90% of the time, the ones who are right are the ones who believe in the material for the sake of its art, who put the quality of their work ahead of its viability as a marketable product. Quality and a vision of what's right for your art are what make a product iconic and give it the power to last, not what creates cheap, short-lasting bursts of attention. You'll never regret standing firm on your principles and faith in your art as much as you'll regret being associated with something that mars your vision past recognition.
I guess you could say they all fell to their own...Hubris.
Oxhorn I would LOVE to see you do a video on Vault 118 under the Cliffside Hotel in Far harbour. That would be such a great story to hear you unravel. not to mention it's long, mysterious, provocative, and intriguing. Thanks for your work Pal.
Oxhorn, I wanted to comment on how you can find a slip of paper downstairs on a dead scavenger in the bathroom, and the note has the initials VB. I think Vadim Bobrov could have been involved in the mission. Vadim has been known to do work on the side and he is a well known bar owner who can't just be making money of of booze and rooms. He could've also hired some petty raiders or scavengers to let some more caps flow in. Just a pet theory 😊
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for what though
Mikado Ryugamine what do you mean
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what reason would vadim to send scavengers to hubris?
It would be cool if you left a short segment in each video to talk about the real life counterparts to many of the places in Fallout 4. Hubris Comics is based on Newbury Comics, which was founded on Newbury Street in Boston, Massachusetts in 1978 by two MIT students.
oxhorn, i love these lore videos, thank you! i am on my first playthrough (a little bit of a latecomer to the fallout world) and i inevitably miss some story stuff. i always check lore vids after completing something, just to see what i missed.
All this story reminds me is a story of Fallout itself. On one side you have that core audience who grew on Fallout 1 & 2, who spent hours/days/years studying every last bit of it - evangelist. On the other, times have changed, years passed and there is new generation of gamers not really familiar with Fallout universe - they might recognise franchise, but not the details. They won't mind changes or inconsistencies, as long as game is interesting, so they'll stick to it and buy DLCs and other parts. You, as the producer, answering to shareholders, have to find that sweet spot - to appeal to older fans, while getting as much new players as you can (more buyers - more monies ;)). Fallout 3 was such pilot - maybe not for the hardcore fans, but managed to gather new players. I liked it and don't get me wrong - I've begun my adventure with franchise back around '01/02 and got into it while it was still canon ;). F:NV was clearly a nod to FO1/2 lovers: franchise managed to survive and catch again, fanbase began to grow and "newbies" got interested in history, so we can have some more of the "old Fallout". FO4 again made a step into future; while not the best, I believe it's a nice continuation. But then, as with lot of similar stories of rock'n'roll, Todd overdosed on Med-X and FO76 happened... Will Fallout survive, again?
Oh I didn’t notice the grognak axe better go back n get it
Wooden door? I have an axe. Nope, you gotta lock pick it as the door is made of hard wood....
I'm loving these vids! You're really good at telling us what happened and delivering the message. It honestly makes me feel more immersed even though ive read through some of the stories. Keep it up, liking and subscribed! :)
Tina was in the right. The source material should always be honored
I'm OK with lore violations if I get a redhead for that though!
Fallout's genus was in board games and then it moved to isometric graphic computer games and on to 3D. Like Silver Shroud, people were uncomfortable with elements of each transition to a new media form. Lore puritans were in uproar as bean counters went for potentially popular but less lore abiding choices. This story hints allegorical quite strongly
I have got to stop and read more. Thanks for the background on Hubris Comics. Can't wait to see the Silver Shroud in action. I have notice a lot of your new content is with you playing on you Institute character?
Yes, I am leveling her at the moment
Was wondering if you are planning a video on Vault75 in the future.
gizmoandback have you done a video on vault 95 and 114
Unable to make anything for my channel as I have no recording software at this time. I am learning how though so I can actually add my own works to my channel. I watch others to get information and learn. So far all videos on my channel are liked videos.
gizmoandback Can you tell me where you do this?
I am pretty much a purist in this case. just like I am with the joker in Batman. I would love Kevin Conroy as Batman, and I would love Shannon as the mistress of mystery.
You should do a video on the districts of Boston, what generally is there and why, interesting buildings and where you get different architecture and how they compare to the real world, today and in the 40s/50s. Especially landmarks, like the institute or the airports.
When you listen to oxhorn Fallout 4 lore stories while you do your house chores, and run your errands you know this stuff is good.
i wish tina would have pushed more and got her way in the end but as you said it didnt really matter after all
well Silver Shroud is based on Batman and Dick Tracy. they gave us a Alfred reference.
Actually it is based on The Shadow, to which Batman was originally a blatant copy rip off of when first aired.
Matt also Alfred was added to the comics 5 years in. (robin predates him) so it might be a reference to that
Matt Upsetting the women didn't want Alfred as he is always a good character
Who knows what evil lurks within the hearts of men?...The Shadow knows!
Matt As seven graves hinted at, I see WAY more similarities to the shadow than Batman, but hey, who really knows? You'd hafta ask Bethesda themselves. I just see a tad bit more of the Shadow in the silver shroud, for one, it's a radio show, for two, the radio show sounds real close to how the Shadow radio shows were. But the Alfred reference does make it a bit difficult to judge, I guess it's kinda like Preston, and Sturges being based based off of some guy that the name escapes me. Sorry to reawaken this old comment.
I can't remember if it's told in Fallout 3 or 4, but I would enjoy the lore/history of the Fat man weapon. Perhaps you could do that sometime Oxhorn.
Hey Oxhorn, there's a cool animated video of a Silver Shroud episode. The name is Silver Shroud the Animated Fan Movie.
The making of the TV show reminds me alot of everything that happened during the development of the Super Mario Bros. Movie.
This conflict likely reflects on Bethesda and how they can't stay true to their older games because of financial reasons.
I dont think it would be jangles because we see tons of his plushie scattered across the commonwealth
I'm just on a binge with this playlist and I didn't expect my name to be in this one lol, mine is Tena though, but hearing it so many times I still looked up since I'm working on something and half listening xD It's cool to hear my name from one of my fav youtubers, but its weird at the same time, a good kind of weird :3
God damn man you keep doing these on subjects I just finished in the game
The Reason Manta-Man Didn’t Sell Well Was Because He’s Essentially The Fallout Version Of Aquaman XD!
Yet another great video, you always create wonderful stuff Ox
This needs to be worked into Season 2 somehow. Maybe some Hubris Comics (looking at you Groknar) could get some spin off shows....
Focus groups are just one of the many enemies of entertainment and true creative art.
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That's a nice face. You can tell he's a fan boy and a good guy.