It's not a good reflection of his in-universe strength tbf, the three Wild Cards sans P3-kun with the Universe (Aigis, Joker, Yu) are canonically relative if not completely equal in power. Joker shouldn't be able to take on (let alone oneshot) an entire team of Persona-users including another Wild Card when he couldn't even beat Maruki without help.
@@psl6145 tbf with maruki he basically had normal strong personas even if you had satanael it wouldn't be the one boosted by the masses like in yalb fight
Ah, I see! The reason for all these rules is so simple to me now! Joker simply follows my own philosophy: if the enemy tries to pull one over on you, simply try hitting them as hard as physically possible!
I'm sorry I just think it's really funny that most megaten superboss nukes are like big and climactic explosions like Megidolaon or Gaea Rage, and then there's Joker, who just shoots you
I would wager that it’s convenient that this happens to allow you to use the best persona against heartless Joker, Arsene, lol! Sinful Shell still sucks tho.
@@nuspas there hasn’t but Joker is way more bs than all of the other ones. Ive kept upto date with how everyone progressed. They had to datamine all this so how is a normal player supposed to have a chance and when you know the extremely dumb random rules… easy fight and biggest fraud ever
Why joker is fighting the shunjin students? Is he stupid? BTW great video dude. Also why no one talking how 7:33 create one of best take over finishes.
These highly restricted super bosses never make sense to me. You spend so much time perfecting your Personas, wiping the floor with the regular enemies and the one boss fight where they may actually be really useful, they prohibit you from using them. Can't I have a superboss for once, where I am allowed to bring everything to the table?
sadly, this is what the Megaten games are known for during end game scenarios. its a staple and for spin-offs like Persona, it is no exception. I mean, Elizabeth, Margaret (Persona 4) and Lavenza/Twins (Persona 5) are pretty much blatant examples in modern Persona games
I'd make a "RPG players when they actually have to strategize joke" but in all seriousness, that's just Megaten. We do have Masakados and Satan in SMTVV which don't have a list of rules, but Persona 3 Reload and 5 Vengeance are two very different games so, idrk
Superbosses with rules were basically the norm with MegaTen superbosses dating back to DDS 1 with the Demi-Fiend fight which carried into Persona. However SMT later dropped the rule from SMT IV onwards while persona just dived headfirst into it until we have Joker here with his BS arbitrary rules.
I could be wrong but isn’t this the first time Joker’s made an appearance in ANY game and wasn’t playable? That’s including something like smash where he’s playable as dlc
Hi bainz, cool vid as I really hated this fight with him. This vid gave me some pointers and I was able to beat him on normal Just curious, how did you get everyone's HP so high?
I really wanted to fight a P5 joker-like joker, not a fake Elizabeth who would attack for 9999 damage as soon as she committed an invisible violation. Atlas should think more.
@@Megidolaon999 She still is a velvet room attendant like Elizabeth, who is also not immune to crits. There is no skill that makes you immune to critical hits, but the closest thing I can think of is instead taking half damage instead of dodging. TLDR: why joker immune to crit
999 HP lets you survive his concentrated Megidoloans and crits. Without close to max HP, he'll destroy your party with weakness attacks/crits/charged Megidoloans.
If i want to do this on heartless do i *need* all my characters to have max magic/endurance? Also, does that mean koromaru is just useless on heartless
Theurgies scale off both Str/Ma, so those two get maxed, and Endurance is definitely needed. And yea, Koro isn't great for this boss on Heartless, no crits so Power Howling not as useful, and can't use Debilitate unless Joker has at least 1 stat up already
Question, cause I honestly need some answers for this myself... What exactly ARE the rules for this fight? I'm finally starting some attempts for it myself and after he uses the 4 multi-target elemental spells he just starts wiping my party with Sinful Shell, and I genuinely cannot figure out why. It's been kind of frustrating to be honest.
All the rules are in the first section. If he's using Sinful Shell after that part, you may have Repel/Null/Absorbed with 2+ party members, or Aigis herself
As someone who’s only really played through persona five and hasn’t touched four or three yet(but I do wanna play them) Having joker be crazy difficult on heartless mode makes a lot of sense especially with how I personally play persona. I typically have joker use a DLC persona, which is extremely overpowered and is immune to being critically hit by all but two types of attacks that enemies I’ve noticed in at least safe mode almost never use. I also noticed a lot of people would talk about how easy persona five was, and narrative wise. This kind of answered the question as to why. He’s just that strong. And for me at least, I’m fine with that. I probably never will play any of the persona games beyond the easiest level, simply because I am not good at strategy games whatsoever, but really do love the stories that some games are trying to tell. From a gameplay standpoint, I think they should have had his critical be tied to the persona he’s using, so that the chance of him being critical is still there just not nearly as often unless you’re constantly checking(if you can do that in P3 of course). -from a random person who both has not enough time on their hands too much time on their hands
Let's go my goat bainz, a new member to the I beat heartless Joker club!!
@TheRealRenAmamiya kyoko llama yes
He's hard on heartless cuz he cannot steal your heart so he do some bullsht things
If only they made makoto and yu this strong in the p5 challenge fights
I hate bosses with rules. Just remove them and let me play how I want.
@@pawep2966sure.. fight the easy version of them or ignore the optional boss fight
There you go
@@pawep2966that’s why they’re super bosses for the extreme players to deal with
@@YukiSnow75 that's just artificial difficulty with a different name
Nice job bainz
Absolute jaw dropper, but I got a bit pissed seeing the chests open behind the shout-outs.
Currently waiting to see if someone will get a run with solo Aigis, some madman with no life will probably find some way to do it.
There is already two man team challenge done.
@@pawep2966New it’s only a moment away until it’s Solo Protagonist.
Technically you can just use Arsene and Satan (both Joker used in this fight) for the 4-turn strat haha
Honestly I'm okay with this if only because Joker's fight not being super-difficult would do him a disservice.
It's not a good reflection of his in-universe strength tbf, the three Wild Cards sans P3-kun with the Universe (Aigis, Joker, Yu) are canonically relative if not completely equal in power. Joker shouldn't be able to take on (let alone oneshot) an entire team of Persona-users including another Wild Card when he couldn't even beat Maruki without help.
@@psl6145 Maruki was a god in the making, no one could beat him in a fight if he didn't allow the competition. That's barely a fair comparison.
@@psl6145 Yu and Joker should be stronger than Aigis as she doesn't have the World
@@psl6145 tbf with maruki he basically had normal strong personas
even if you had satanael it wouldn't be the one boosted by the masses like in yalb fight
@@riiel3474why are people yapping about some stupid shit your Arcana don’t mean shit
Ah, I see! The reason for all these rules is so simple to me now! Joker simply follows my own philosophy: if the enemy tries to pull one over on you, simply try hitting them as hard as physically possible!
Checks out to me.
Atlus should've put a trophy for this to make it more challenging for completionist.
I'm sorry I just think it's really funny that most megaten superboss nukes are like big and climactic explosions like Megidolaon or Gaea Rage, and then there's Joker, who just shoots you
I mean is the most p5 thing to do
I would wager that it’s convenient that this happens to allow you to use the best persona against heartless Joker, Arsene, lol! Sinful Shell still sucks tho.
Ahaha yes very convenient
Show that FRAUD who the real wildcard is! ❤
No way people are starting to call him fraud unironiclly?
@@Sorachi33137well he is the stupidest persona superboss ever and they still destroyed him completely, definitely a fraud
@@Sorachi33137Cuz he is
@@Eidelinn you say that like there has been a well designed persona superboss, that isn't just "here's my arbitrary set of rules"
@@nuspas there hasn’t but Joker is way more bs than all of the other ones. Ive kept upto date with how everyone progressed. They had to datamine all this so how is a normal player supposed to have a chance and when you know the extremely dumb random rules… easy fight and biggest fraud ever
he really took over
Nice run, using Arsene against Arsene lmao.
Woaaaa :0
Great job on this bainz!!
Thanks Robyn, hope you've been doing well!!
@@bainzwait honestly me too tho-
Joker aint playing at the start straight up send sinful shell first turn right off the bat
Why joker is fighting the shunjin students? Is he stupid?
BTW great video dude.
Also why no one talking how 7:33 create one of best take over finishes.
Impressive as hell, my only question is how your Mitsuru has Vorpal Blade? I tried looking it up online and I cant find much on it.
In Episode Aigis, some characters got new movesets, so Mitsuru now learns Vorpal Blade at Level 79
@@bainzthat’s very fucking amazing
These highly restricted super bosses never make sense to me. You spend so much time perfecting your Personas, wiping the floor with the regular enemies and the one boss fight where they may actually be really useful, they prohibit you from using them. Can't I have a superboss for once, where I am allowed to bring everything to the table?
sadly, this is what the Megaten games are known for during end game scenarios. its a staple and for spin-offs like Persona, it is no exception. I mean, Elizabeth, Margaret (Persona 4) and Lavenza/Twins (Persona 5) are pretty much blatant examples in modern Persona games
I'd make a "RPG players when they actually have to strategize joke" but in all seriousness, that's just Megaten. We do have Masakados and Satan in SMTVV which don't have a list of rules, but Persona 3 Reload and 5 Vengeance are two very different games so, idrk
Superbosses with rules were basically the norm with MegaTen superbosses dating back to DDS 1 with the Demi-Fiend fight which carried into Persona. However SMT later dropped the rule from SMT IV onwards while persona just dived headfirst into it until we have Joker here with his BS arbitrary rules.
I could be wrong but isn’t this the first time Joker’s made an appearance in ANY game and wasn’t playable? That’s including something like smash where he’s playable as dlc
imagine Makoto Yuki vs Joker
Persona 5 Royal challenge battles
Hi bainz, cool vid as I really hated this fight with him. This vid gave me some pointers and I was able to beat him on normal
Just curious, how did you get everyone's HP so high?
Shuffle time arcana cards can give HP to Aigis or whole team, it does take a while to do
@@bainz it takes alot of time, mad respect to you bro
@@bainzthat is insane how many hours/days?
I really wanted to fight a P5 joker-like joker, not a fake Elizabeth who would attack for 9999 damage as soon as she committed an invisible violation. Atlas should think more.
A challange is nice and all but why is he immune to crits? Not even lavenza was immune?
I don't know what they were cooking tbh
@@sp3dweed673 Acting like Lavenza was the peak of challenge / canon strength lol
@@Megidolaon999 She still is a velvet room attendant like Elizabeth, who is also not immune to crits. There is no skill that makes you immune to critical hits, but the closest thing I can think of is instead taking half damage instead of dodging.
TLDR: why joker immune to crit
@@sp3dweed673 Sharp Student increases chances of not getting crit. But anyway, the reason is incredibly simple. Makes him more challenging. That’s it!
So basically this hinges on having Fuuka concentrate you twice in a row in order to get enough damage?
For this type of set-up/run, yes
Sadly Raoul is not included in P3R DLC 😢
Raoul really got the short end of the stick tbh
@@jamestamsitt5806Fr, He needs to get a buff of sorts, as in his own exclusive skill besides phantom show
Looks like I'll won't be doing this battle on Heartless. Megaton super bosses are kinda BS
so what I'm hearng here is that... Ken's 2nd theurgy isn't viable at all
I’m so confused I’ve been trying to get armor of light with every one but I need Dead Moon Husk im confused on how to get them and where?
You can get them in chests in latter half of Empyrean, also the chest before Joker fight has 1 guaranteed one
How people do know that dark hound is stronger than king and I with ice driver persona?
Lowkey, if I win, I’d like to get P4G. Good luck to the others!
is there an explanation why he use diarahan, it’s screwed me over so many times
I believe he can use it when below 50% HP after a set number of turns, but I'm not exactly sure the number as I've only done quick kills on Heartless
why do you need 999 hp and the fuuka rng? I understand for the low turn count but it could probably be done with 15 turns with far less preparation
999 HP lets you survive his concentrated Megidoloans and crits. Without close to max HP, he'll destroy your party with weakness attacks/crits/charged Megidoloans.
Yea close to max HP is needed to survive the Conc Megidoloans. Fuuka RNG is much more only for low turn clears
If i want to do this on heartless do i *need* all my characters to have max magic/endurance? Also, does that mean koromaru is just useless on heartless
St/Ma for Theurgy damage
En for survivability
Theurgies scale off both Str/Ma, so those two get maxed, and Endurance is definitely needed. And yea, Koro isn't great for this boss on Heartless, no crits so Power Howling not as useful, and can't use Debilitate unless Joker has at least 1 stat up already
@@bainz damn thanks. Looks like I'm in for the long haul with this grind 💀
does fuuka theurgy focus and charge on first turn count as rule broken?
You need to use up both before Joker's first turn, otherwise yea it's a rule break
Where did you get the fists of treason?
It can drop from the Antenora Monad Doors
Question, cause I honestly need some answers for this myself... What exactly ARE the rules for this fight? I'm finally starting some attempts for it myself and after he uses the 4 multi-target elemental spells he just starts wiping my party with Sinful Shell, and I genuinely cannot figure out why. It's been kind of frustrating to be honest.
All the rules are in the first section. If he's using Sinful Shell after that part, you may have Repel/Null/Absorbed with 2+ party members, or Aigis herself
As someone who’s only really played through persona five and hasn’t touched four or three yet(but I do wanna play them) Having joker be crazy difficult on heartless mode makes a lot of sense especially with how I personally play persona. I typically have joker use a DLC persona, which is extremely overpowered and is immune to being critically hit by all but two types of attacks that enemies I’ve noticed in at least safe mode almost never use. I also noticed a lot of people would talk about how easy persona five was, and narrative wise. This kind of answered the question as to why. He’s just that strong. And for me at least, I’m fine with that. I probably never will play any of the persona games beyond the easiest level, simply because I am not good at strategy games whatsoever, but really do love the stories that some games are trying to tell.
From a gameplay standpoint, I think they should have had his critical be tied to the persona he’s using, so that the chance of him being critical is still there just not nearly as often unless you’re constantly checking(if you can do that in P3 of course).
-from a random person who both has not enough time on their hands too much time on their hands
Should I buy DLC Persona 5 Royal to defeat Joker?
Uh, I wouldn't buy the DLC for only one fight, but if you're interested in the rest of the DLC sure
Is the only way to get 999 hp with shuffle time?
Generally yea, from shuffle time cards in Abyss of Time and Monad Doors