God, Morality, & Burden of Proof | Andy - Pennsylvania | Atheist Experience 21.14
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- The Atheist Experience 21.14 for May 9, 2017 with Matt Dillahunty and Tracie Harris.
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"Why is it being personally irresponsible to take full responsibility for your life and the way of your living." - Best Line Ever!
That and the used car salesman analogy 😙🤌🏽
“I’m a christian who’s just been thinking lately.”
Inconceivable! When you start thinking, you can’t remain a christian.😈
Very good point😂
I discovered that scientists and atheists are liars early in life. I was in physics class in high school, and our physics teacher was explaining Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity to us. He explained that Einstein had proven that a moving clock would be slower than a clock that is not moving. For the moving clock I imagined a clock in a flying airplane and for the clock that was not moving, a clock on the ground. It was obvious to me that if the pilot of the airplane had a slower clock than an observer on the ground to time the flight of the airplane, he would get a faster speed for the airplane than the observer on the ground. Then I read Einstein's book on the subject and was surprised to learn that he was using equations that show that the pilot of the airplane and the observer on the ground would get the same speed for the airplane.
x'=(x-vt)/sqrt(1-v^2/c^2)
y'=y
z'=z
t'=(t-vx/c^2)/sqrt(1-v^2/c^2)
inverse equations
x = (x' + vt')/sqrt(1-v^2/c^2)
y = y'
z = z'
t = (t' + vx'/c^2)/sqrt(1-v^2/c^2)
v is the speed of the airplane and is the same speed as seen from either frame of reference. But we common people live in something called reality. It is just a fact that if the pilot of the airplane has a slower clock than the observer on the ground, he will get a faster speed for the airplane. What Einstein's equations show is a mathematical description of a miracle. If atheists
want to have a miracle, I certainly have no objection, but most of their objections to religion are based on the supposition that miracles are impossible. What I find interesting about this problem is that in more than 50 years of trying to discuss this with atheists and scientists, I have yet to encounter one who will even respond to this difficulty, other than a few scientists who respond with profanity and insults that someone would question Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity. So let's have a little experiment. Watch how many atheists respond to this post.
@@rbwinn3 Too bad you never discovered any basic logic or integrity. If you had, you wouldn’t waste your time lying about atheists.😂
@rbwinn3 First of all, you made a claim that is purely from anecdotal evidence when you start off by making the claim that atheists and scientists start off as liars in early life. What is the evidence for that claim, and how is it a valid point at all, even if it was true?
@rbwinn3 If you have yet to have a discussion with an atheist or a scientist about this subject, how do you know that they start off with the presupposition that a miracle is absolutely impossible? Could it be possible that the atheist community at large realizes that there needs to be verifiable non anecdotal evidence, in order to hold a belief?What verifiable, non anecdotal evidence do you have for the existence of the supernatural?
"I'm a christian who has kinda been thinking lately."
That's step 1 to becoming an Atheist :D
Welcome to the real world.....enjoy your life
Well, as a Christian, I really don't like thinking. If there is something I don't know, I just say: "God did it." It's much easier that way. Praise the "Lord!"
As I like to say-
Atheists are gods favorite creation.
We never ask him for anything and we take responsibility for ourselves.
@@MafiosoGame
Irony- the expression of one's meaning by using language that normally signifies the opposite, typically for humorous or emphatic effect.
And your the ones He sends to Hell. NUFF SAID
@@voiceoftruth2646 To the NON EXISTING, FAIRY-TALE HELL ................
@@voiceoftruth2646 eternal punishment for god’s crime of intentionally saddling humans with avoidable sin, then giving punishment for it that is wildly out of touch with the supposed “crime” of not believing on bad and debunked evidence. That is insanely unjust ! Don’t you dare say that your god is a just god when he does stuff like that (and things like sending bears to maul 42 children for the crime of calling one of his followers “baldy”. How could you ever follow, much less worship, a cruel and unjust god like that ? Use your head, your god is a monster and u worthy of worship, especially if he sends people to hell simply because god didn’t provide any convincing evidence whatsoever for his existence to begin with.
@@voiceoftruth2646 until you can prove what you say, you LIE.
This has been one of the more reasonable religious callers I've heard. Sounds like he might be about to set himself free from the mental trap of religion.
Exactly my view as well.
I am thinking the same. He’s listening and enlightening. ❤️
He brings up the freedom thing near the end and I'm reminded of the story thrown around about an Inuit asking a minister if he'd go to hell if he'd never heard of Jesus and God. The minister responds that he'd be allowed into heaven because God is just (or some variation thereof). Inuit responds "Well, why did you tell me about Jesus and God then?"
lol
Awesome. Gonna steal this.
This ethical oddity occurred to me a long time ago (not that I'm looking for a round of applause).
Pascal's wager is stupid. Wouldn't an omniscient god be able to see that you are faking it if you really couldn't believe?
True northern keyboard warrior obviously you haven't been paying attention! If there wasn't any "Faking It"there wouldn't be a Bible now would there?
Bob Rabbins with over 2000 years of trying to answer a simple question under their belt, you would think they would have found a good answer by now! But the only thing they've got better at is tap dancing, and they don't do that well either!
Maybe the god is gullible too? 😛
@Steve Hayes then almost no one is getting into any sort of heaven in modern days, even modern soldiers don't meet the bill.
the reason pascal's wager is stupid is because every holy book has criteria for how you actually behave and treat others, alongside the fact that genuine "faith" in such a being will show in your actions
and the general statement that those lying to god are in more trouble than a kid burning his parent's house to the ground for kicks
as stupid and chaining as religion and Christianity are though, pascal's wager at it's core isn't entirely wrong
someone truly following christ should have nothing to fear regardless of if a god..or what god exists
those emulating christ are genuinely good people by any measure of the word, and to not grant them access shows that you're not worth being worshiped or followed by anyone
@Steve Hayes yea a few, and it's irrelevant anyway.
whether 1 or 1 million people genuinely follow the religion doesn't actually matter when it comes to any people who do being extremely deserving of any god's kind treatment
“I’m a Christian who’s been thinking lately”
Well, there’s always a first time...
As Ricky Gervais says, "If there is a god, why did he make me an atheist?"
Creating creatures with awareness of God would be one thing...but, to create trillions of creatures to just suffer and die for no reason, well, that would require a being of unimaginable cruelty. Which sounds just like the God that Christians worship.
This chap is well on the way to freeing himself. Top man.
I remember years ago I went with a friend to church and I heard a church member say 'I can't wait to go to heaven'. He was so excited at the prospect of meeting god that his life here on Earth was almost a waste of time. I did think 'what an idiot'. I knew all this rubbish wasn't for me before I went with my friend and this statement set it in concrete.
I miss Tracie.
Some Christians hate the burden of proof more than the devil
Because the burden of proof kills their religion. No one can prove the existence of God.
I wish people would stop being so afraid to die and be more courageous to live.
(Without the crutch of an imaginary man in the sky that they think helps them).
omg, he actually introduced himself as "a Christian who's been thinking lately."
LOL, that's bad news!
For his faith, you mean. He sounds pretty reasonable and honest.
🤭
@@Antis14CZ yes
Yeah, he started lying immediately.
What a reasonable fellow. It makes a change.
This is a rare pairing of hosts that I savour when I see
0:10 - “I’m a Christian that have been thinking lately....” 😂😂😂. Usually “thinking” is not allowed in Christianity...
So your telling me Jesus was dumb ? No he wasn't, he was sharp like a knife.
Jesus the homeless guy with no job and hung out with prostitutes? Jesus who could have moved mountains to prove he was a god but instead preformed petty parlor level magic tricks? That genius?
dckaelin yes and he do the fucky fucky with the sexy bitches
The bible encourages thinking as it does say to prove all things and hold fast to what is true which takes thinking to do
@@dckaelin MOOCHER .....................
I'm a simple man, I see Tracie and Matt in the same clip and I click..
me too
Love Tracie's used car salesman analogy 6:58
gotta love brief, respectful sign-offs from the caller
1:49 RICK Dawkins 😂 what? Are your guys drinking buddies? Lol
lolol I just heard that. 'Rick' lolol yeah like everyone calls him that.
Sure, and Sammy and Chris 😛
Lol I laughed at that too
Ol’ Rick Dawkins....totally rude.
Better than Dicky
Loved this caller. I was born and raised in a love bombing cult, and didn't see any of the goals I set for my life realized...until I left lol now suddenly I have a house, a job I love, a beautiful fiance, all before 30. All the things promised to us by god...when we die
So nice to hear an actual debate without cutting down each others view.
Welcome to Abraham's Used god Lot:
“What’ll it take to get you into this god today?”
Is this god reliable?
This god is built ‘from the ground up’.
*kicks God*
"This baby has so much morality."
@@zaodedong9935 "And performs great too: 0 to insanity in .3 seconds."
"Yeah, but that True coat...."
Faith ,fear and funds the perfect trinity. Without one of these religion falls apart.
I'm come to the conclusion that 80% (atleast) of Thiests can't see reason. Its become such a null exercise, but bravo to this show for its resilience.
"Hello. I just want to say I've really enjoyed your show. I'm a Christian whose kinda been thinking lately." Christian? Thinking? Monsieur, this cannot be so.
most honest christian ever
'. I'm a xtian who is kinda thinking lately'........ And he's an atheist now if he didn't stop thinking for himself........
I feel very, very sorry for anyone who believes in Hell.
Why? Better than being forced to hang out with the dictator and his lying son..
The whole God, Jesus, heaven, hell paradigm us a sad way of living
You should be an atheist according to Pascal's wager. There are thousands of religions. For most of them, worshiping a false God will land you in their version of hell. The safest option is not to believe.
@Just a mental fellow watch the video
@Just a mental fellow watch the video, the context is the video. This is the comment section of the video.
Only Atheists go to heaven, I love this show so much, thanks Matt, lmao
I do think Pascal's wager works for global warming refusers. Not for religion though
Like this caller
Richard Dale gaaayyyy
Calling out the absurdity of the bible is what makes it obviously man made.
That is the point.
is it moral, to create millions of frogs, just to let them find sudden and confused death by hitting the ground, before killing all firstborns, while all stinks frog?
A lot of calls depress me, they lie, they argue dishonestly and refuse to consider anything. It's nice to see this caller who appears to be de-converting.
Rick Dawkins? Yeah, he's really good
Love Tracie 😍😍😍😍 she is very smart
she got some dam fine titties
@@batcheeboy5077 indeed.
grow up
@@peterwarren3797 as somebody who has grown up allow me to tell you, we grown ups like titties, and, as Americans, have the freedom to comment on titties.
Eric Fouch I’d like to motorboat those babies
My family have nothing to do with my beliefs, and certainly don't have any influence on them.
5:00 "Because of the implications..." So God is Dennis Reynolds?
The last two episodes a watched were both callers who are likely atheist now. Two more people set free from this inane bullshit. Love it!
It's the threat that it's gonna happen, not that it's gonna happen; because of the implication.
Andy won't be a christian for much longer because he understands reason
I want to belive in as many falls things as possible.
Caller was a champ to sit through all homegirl's tangents so patiently. Polite af too, well done guy.
Well they're trained to sit silently and listen to their pastors, at least for once he was listening to actual people making sense
"It's been good for me how I think through things."
Then proceeds to show how he doesn't think. :/
Rick Dawkins: meme bro!
First post. I recently discovered you, Matt. I must say, you have much more patience than I. Yes, I agree with Tracey re: Pascal's Wager. It's hubris to think a god will enter into this hucksterish deal. "Hey, what have you got to lose?" Good show.
Try to remember who is giving these "Implications"
Is it just me or everyone else is getting Christine ADs? Every time am on this Chanel , all the ADs are all about christian movies 🙄
Government trying to subconsciously control us
Christine? Or Christian?
Who's Christine?
Religion has money. And, like pitching a product or brand, they can power revenue generation...wirh the money they've already got.
Atheism is, generally, younger, smaller, with smaller groups with shallow to nonexistent budgets.
So religion can afford to advertise. And, generally, atheism can't.
Also, while there may be quibbles between secularists, there's not the competition for market share as there is, in Canada and the US, between Christian sects.
JustDave I mean christian ☺️. Sorry English is not my first language.
2 + 2 =……. no choice involved .. Belief is not a choice.
@4:07 Absolutely agree. Been there, hated it.
Tracie!❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
Rick Dawkins? Lol
If you believe, you lose your LIFE, and MONEY ! .................
Andy is a future atheist.
The big guys did he just slit Mat.
A confused Christian once asked me if I believed in after birth.
James Laverick did he lead you to Christ or are you still lost my child?
Come with me, I will lead you into the light.
@@JonnieQuestsStars I'll pass on that, thank you.
@@JonnieQuestsStars my mother always told me NEVER GO TO THE LIGHT.
@@JonnieQuestsStars Do you have any concept of how creepy it is to refer to someone as "my child" with no context? I was a catholic so I know priests do it but that was weird then too (yes, I know why they did it. They were acting as a vessel for god ect. that does not make it much less creepy). With no context it's just super weird, it's also super condescending if you are not a catholic.
So, my child, stop referring to people as "my child" or no Fortnight for you for a week. (See how that gets weird)
Jon Ammons ...I am so sorry my child, see that I meant no I’ll will with my foresight...now god bless you my child, and go in peace.
Have you noticed that Jesus sometimes said things in brackets ?
For example, (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek) in Matthew 6:32
How did the reporters know he was speaking in brackets ?
Have you noticed what you quote is just a made up story. No weight in it. Have you noticed that?😂
@@EllasPOSEiDON
No, I thought it was real
You should greatly consider all the choices you could make because the wrong choice could send you to an eternity in HELL....
As well you should. It’s possible allah is the one true god, and you will suffer in Islamic hell. Think real hard now.
When I was first introduced to the Big Bang Theory, I took it to mean that the universe came out of god blowing himself up like a suicide bomber. Gives new meaning to the ' god is everywhere ' idea, doesn't it.
The big bang is more consistent with polytheism.
@@KonradZielinski no it’s not.
Tracie, Matt - Hi.
Smart guy
The big problem I see, that certain atomic atheist (like me) could sounds reasonable. But when we are taking about bunch of people, how can we "destroy" the idea of the authority and make them take responsibility?
There is still a problem that authority of law (for example) don't prescribe any moral metrics.
And then if we would have a bunch of atomic independent people how we will be connecting?
I'm not trying to say "we need god", but I see here the contradictions.
youfilin but the thing is all humans, we got our morality from the evolution emergence of human moral behavior over the course of human evolution. Atheists and theist have the same morality, and we get it the same way they do. it’s just that theist claim morality comes from God. They give God credit for it, but I say it’s evolution.
@@ethiomel9444 reasonable
I think you got your case backward, the law doesn't prescribe moral metrics, that's true, but we try to enact law that fit with our moral metrics. We forbid things that we find immoral or wrong and we permit or encourage the behaviors that we find good or moral.
7:58 Matt the prophet.
that slavery thing?!?! lol
Dear Matt and the beautiful intelligent Tracie, I found something I don't think we will agree on. Matt you have a good strong name. Why do you and most others spell this name incorrectly? 😏😇🤣
The belief in a god isn't important.
What's important is how much money you are willing to pay to get to Heaven ?
You would need to spend billions of dollars, just to get to the moon !
Heaven is outside space, which is a lot further !
Andy wanted to discuss Straw Man atheism.😂
“How do I approach this question?”
You could try learning some logic.😉
Of course, that would make you stop believing in fairy tales.
If your a Theist please try thinking for yourself, and read the Bible that you think you know so much about but don't.
Some of these callers are VERY patient! Matt repeatedly interrupts, then does that incredibly rude strategy of repeating the beginning of a sentence over and over until they give in and let him speak. 'That's only a consequence ...'', 'That's only a consequence ...'', 'That's only a consequence ...'', 'That's only a consequence ...''. Really????
There are many stories about Jesus they didn't get into the Bible.
For example, when he was three years old, he found a dead bird in his father's yard.
He picked up the bird and it flew way.
Some people think these stories were invented.
I have never found any evidence jesus exsisted so why would i believe a story about the bird
Do alot of reseach as to any exsistece of god outside of man made book
@@brendaspringer6224
Do you know the name of Popeye's girlfriend ?
@@brendaspringer6224
How did Cinderella get to the ball ?
@Fragarach
Wait, sometimes it takes a while for the penny to drop.
Whether God exists IS an underlying question for most people who care. Worldly problems do cloud even the best of us, so it isn't one or the other. It is both we think about.
And no Christian worth their salt is pressuring anyone to save themselves. That is impossible. Every person has a choice to make on their own and will live with that decision.
I'll make my choices based on evidence, logic, and reason. You can make yours based on threat of punishment, or hope for reward. At least when i'm helping someone less fortunate, I'm doing it only because it's the right thing to do. I'm not doing it to score brownie points with big brother.
It's not a choice when it's accompanied by a threat. That's totalitarianism.
@@lmnop1022 Where is the threat?
@@razorback7874 And with that you are severely limited by being a human being; that is a horrible option (but yes, yours to make). I base my choice on actual experience of Jesus Christ. If you are trying to score "brownie points", then you are not an actual Christian. You cannot access heaven through works.
@@nightshade99 You're literally kissing his non-existent ass in your last post.
So many times, experiences in parenting relate directly to God's relation to us. In the former, we parents take the role of god for our children and in the latter, we are the children. As a parent, I lay down rules for the kids but eventually, they will learn the principles behind the rule. By the time of Moses, slavery had been entrenched into the fabric of society for at least 7,000 years. The same with sexism and idolatry. It would take thousands of years for slavery, etc. to be replaced by the Golden Rule.
@Dirk Knight Beliefs drive actions. I realize that secular humanism is not quite the same as atheism; but atheists tell me that they simply don't hold a belief in God. So what are the beliefs held by secular humanists that would have formed the Renaissance?
My hoped-for point was that humanists/atheists should not take credit for actions unless they admit to holding beliefs that precipitated those actions.
@Dirk KnightHappiness is just some chemicals in the brain, i.e. a drug fix and our constant efforts to get those drugs is an addiction. How would you explain to someone why they should sacrifice any part of their own self interest so that someone else gets their drug fix?
This reasoning excuses humans of their responsibility for the crimes of holding other humans in bondage. If the god of the bible exists, he's unworthy of worship, since he couldn't be bothered to tell the Israelites to prohibit slavery
Don't eat or seafood. Don't wear mixed fibers. Slavery? Meh!
God has long blonde hair and nice legs.
She loves me.
Hey Matt,
Do you have any Proof that DNA evolved on Earth ?
Flu vaccine. Needs to be given every year because of evolution. Dogs. 10,000 or so years ago, there was only wolves. Due to artificial selection, and the taming of some wolves who were predisposed to be less fearful and more trusting of humans. The fact that we can show that humans share DNA with virtually every other life form on earth, something that we'd expect to see if evolution by natural selection happened, is pretty compelling evidence that DNA evolved on earth. Evolution by natural selection is our best explanation of the natural world, and all of biology lines up with this scientific theory. Until you can come up with something that better, and more completely describes nature, we'll continue to use this theory. "god done it" isn't good enough.
@@razorback7874
Flu vaccine/Evolution ??
"Due to artificial selection," ??
Please show evidence of the wolf and dog having a common ancestor ? Something other than an Assumption. Is there even a bone, a name or a cute Illustration, for this common ancestor ??.
" Pretty Compelling Evidence," that DNA evolved on Earth. The Genetic Code is Identical in ALL LIVING THINGS, the sequence will differ but The Genetic Code is Identical in ALL LIVING THINGS.... Ants, Plants, Humans & Animals ! This is a scientific Fact, Rick......
The earliest organism suddenly appeared on Earth with No Simple Precursor about 3.8 billion years ago, the Stromaolite. There are only a handful of humans who can construct a Cell from scratch and you want us to believe that DNA evolved on Earth ? As Francis Crick stated, DNA is far too complex to have evolved on Earth,
And Francis was an atheist until his dying moment..... RIP
Why do you ask for proof re: evolution on this site? Go to a science site and get accurate information from scientists.
@@walteriamusic5556 evolution is a fact that only a science denying fool would reject. provide evidence for god. hint; extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence!
That's a resounding "Yes"!
I believe in God for the same reason that I believe my mother loves me. I could never prove that her love is real, and I could never justify my belief, but anyone else would be hard pressed to assert that I should withhold belief in my mother's love until I sufficient evidence to prove it.
You have evidence of your mothers love. She’s there. She demonstrates her love to you. You would be justified in believing it based on the evidence. You could be wrong, of course. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Your mother says she loves you. That’s not an extraordinary claim. We know mothers exist. We know many many mothers love their children. We have examples. The God claim is extraordinary. The evidence required to believe that would need to be more.
Wait, you have no evidence that your mother loves you...? 0_o
I'm so sorry for you. And I hate to break it to you, but maybe your mother doesn't love you then. Generally, when people get loved by other people, they DO get evidence for that affection. If you haven't... then I can't tell you how sad I am for you :-(
Inappropriate analogy FAIL: ✅
Your analogy is false. Your mom clearly can demonstarte her love for yoir man, wake up. How your imaginary friend can do the same, hmmmm?
What an utterly stupid analogy lol
One of my favorite personal stories, was a man I was visiting quite often, mainly because he was a scientist / biologist and never believed in God. We talked often about Science, and often about religion. He told me he was never afraid to die, and by science, everything has a lifespan in which it returns to the earth from which it came, and thus is the process of the circle of life. Understandable, he had devoted 50 years of his life to his research, and although I would talk about Jesus and God randomly with him, he always shrugged away from the topic. I came back to the hospital a month later to investigate another patient, when I was told by a nurse that the Scientist wanted to speak with me.
I went into his room, and when he saw me, his eyes flared up in desperation. He went on to tell me that two weeks ago, he had a stroke, and was dying. When he was dying he had a vision, in which he could see his own mother and father smiling at him, and behind them, and older man with a warm smile. He told me he recongnized the old man, to which I responded..... Uncle ?, Grandfather ?. He just looked at me, shook his head, and reponded with, Jesus, that he had a picture when he was just a boy in his room of Jesus, and it looked exactly similar to that picture
I couldn't believe it. Since this man was not religious in any sense, and devoted his life to science, but for the first time he told me he was actually afraid of dying, and confront an entity which he spent his life trying to de-bunk. And it was the first time he asked me, still very hesitant, about the Bible, and the exact teachings of Jesus.
So because someone that was very irreligious starts to question because of a NDE or the threat of death, that means what in regards to the truth of claims made regarding the Bible, Jesus' divinity and God's supposed plan for humanity?
@@ToHoldNothing Science has zero proof that God doesn't exist. The only thing science does is try to figure out and explain everything that He created. We were designed, just like everything Man created is designed in order for it to work correctly. Deathbed visions are a transitioning from an Earthly body to the spiritual realm. What exactly happens to Man's soul is up to God!! Believing will not hurt you, but not believing may!! Good luck!!
@@applesoranges8015 Number of problems here: 1, proof is not used in science, properly speaking, that's math and logic. Science demonstrates with evidence. 2, science and scientists are not concerned with God as a concept, it's unfalsifiable and unscientific
No, you don't get to weasel your god into things, that's a priori rationalization. You can interpret it that way, but you'd be wrong, because God and gods aren't demonstrable or necessary to have working understanding of the universe
We don't work correctly if you're looking at humans as anything "designed". Even if I point out several unassailable examples of our flawed nature, like even the basic fact of senescence, our cells having a limit to how much they can divide and then they basically stop, which leads to the aging process., you can just shift the goalposts and insert sin as the explanation for why we are flawed in that supposed "design", but you'd still have to admit we are no longer designed by an entity that seems to care about our well being, because it hasn't intervened, but is just waiting for whatever appointed time it has in mind to fix everyone.
But sin is as useful an explanation as god in terms of things that have an explanation we can demonstrate and is the best model given our knowledge
Deathbed confessions are usually people afraid of death in the first place finally just resorting to a supernatural explanation out of ignorance and fallacious logic that this incredulous thing must be true because it posits something so incredulous in the first place
If god is truly all powerful, all knowing, all present and all good, your claims hold no water anyway, because you can't even approximate what such an entity would want or how it solves supposed problems anyway in regards to an afterlife. You also don't get to insinuate your beliefs as true merely because it's possible rather than actually demonstrating any sort of reality we could falsify as to your god or an afterlife existing. But you wouldn't want that, it's undermine the whole system of servile faith as the "virtue"
@@ToHoldNothing Nothing matters what you say. When it's your time to die, you'll be asking yourself what if...? Atheists are blinded by their own sense of intellectual importance than to see the truth!! Again, good luck!!
@@applesoranges8015 If you don't even care, why bother responding to anything, except to apparently condescend to others about how pious you are compared to others?
I don't pretend to be more intelligent than others, you have no idea what you're talking about beyond your strawman atheism cliche
This life is the afterlife of the previous life. Furthermore, it is not stupid or foolish to think about the afterlife, because everyone dies. How are you so certain there is no afterlife?
What evidence do you have that this life is an afterlife of the previous life?
Mendicant Bias Short answer: What were the causal factors that determined the time, place, and circumstances of your appearance (birth) in this life, and when were those causes created?
@@hansombrother1 That is a question, not an answer. Summary: Based on your question the problem you'll have is known as an 'infinite regression'. There is no way to logically stop asking that question. By choosing something 'unfalsifiable' like god, afterlife, or reincarnation as the answer you've stopped the infinite regression with something that cannot be proven false.
Because there is no good evidence (independent, testable, reliable) for gods or afterlife we should say 'we don't know' rather than say 'I know with certainty'.
Dear @@MendicantBias1 ,
Thank you very much for your thoughtful response.
No this is not the problem of 'infinite regression'.
1.) Yes, I asked a question, which is in line with the Socratic Method. Socratic debate is a form of cooperative argumentative dialogue between individuals, based on asking and answering questions to stimulate critical thinking. The Socratic Method is a method of hypothesis elimination, so that better hypotheses are found by steadily identifying and eliminating those that lead to contradictions or have logical inconsistencies. The basic form is a series of questions formulated as tests of logic. [Thanks to Wikipedia]
Thus keeping in line with the method of Socratic dialog, I am requesting you to use your powers of reasoning and critical thinking to answer the aforementioned questions. If your response is “I don’t know”, that is Okay. Thus I have put forth my theory or hypothesis of reincarnation, or “transmigration of the soul”, and in order for you to reject it, then you must point out any logical inconsistencies and contradictions of my argument. If you listen to “The Atheist Experience”, this is what the hosts are so expert in doing.
2.) Because you are an atheist, you are predisposed to reject any theory or hypothesis that does not comply with physical-ism or materialism. And I believe that physical-ism or materialism is your religion.
3.) By relying only on physical-ism or materialism alone, you are completely ignoring different levels of reality and/or existence. For example, as you are reading this, you are hearing these words in your head. However on the physical level, sound is simply the compression and rarefication of air molecules. (Of course sound can also be produced in other mediums, such as water or metal.) As you are reading this, on the physical level, no sound is being produced. There are no sound waves impacting your eardrums. All that is happening is that you are looking at pixels on a computer screen, and you are hearing the “sound” of your mind. The sound of your mind that you are hearing is not physical, nor is it being produced by any physical apparatus. (Neuroscientists have not resolved this issue.) There are many other examples of real-life experiences which do not comply with physical-ism or materialism.
4.) Reincarnation, transmigration of the soul, in conjunction with, cause and effect (karma) is a plausible and logical theory which answers many questions, and in order to refute this theory, you must point out its contradictions and logical inconsistencies.
5.) I am confused with your statement regarding “something that cannot be proven false”. That sounds like a double negative, doesn’t that make it true?
@@hansombrother1 Unfalsifiable: Confidently asserting that a theory or hypothesis is true or false even though the theory or hypothesis cannot possibly be contradicted by an observation or the outcome of any physical experiment, usually without strong evidence or good reasons.
Here is a question to always ask: How would I prove this assertion wrong? What are the conditions needed to prove a claim is false? You've claimed the existence of souls, non-material realities and generally advocate for positions that cannot be proven untrue or false.
Reality check....Satan asked me 3 questions. I am God's Messenger. +++ Knock, Knock anyone home ?
Um. What?
Matt's "miserable liberal" inner self emerges on occasion.
"MIserable liberal"?
We know that a god made us and is very pleased with the result.
We are his little toys, his pride and joy.
So relax.
How do "we" know that a god exists?
@@TheSkullConfernece
Simple.
Trees.
@@tedgrant2 no, trees were made by grey aliens to oxygenate the planet. That's the simple truth.
@@tedgrant2 without the greys, there would be no animal life. They are the true gods that visited us 2 million years ago and then gave us technology 12,000 years ago. We worshipped them as gods because they can do things we can't even do today. They break the laws of physics all the time.
@@TheSkullConfernece
And some of them still live here, in Buckingham Palace.
The true Spirit of peace and love for all humans, is not an evil God, but is the Father of all reality. The very Spirit and Truth of all existence and life. Where only evil people call him an evil God.
“How blessed are those who know their need of God; the kingdom of Heaven is theirs.” - (Matthew 5: 3) -
If you can't demonstrate the truth of the bible or the existence of God, you may as well cite the yellow pages to make your point.
Who was Mathew?
@@rovert46
I cannot prove it , but I believe that he was one of Jesus disciples. I only say this because the "Sermon on the mount." Is far too detailed, to be other eye witness accounts. As described at the beginning of Luke. ... : ))
@@2gointruth that's what is wrong with believers: they cannot prove it, yet they believe, while we skeptics cannot prove it and therefore dont believe. This sort of reasoning of yours is sure to lead you very far away from the the truth and into so many lies.
2gointruth With Good News of The True Gospel If you can’t prove anything, then make space for someone who can.
Since when is a Christian not responsible????? I say a Christian is even more responsible than an Atheist because an Atheist is more likely to contract and spread the AIDS virus than a Christian would and the Atheist calls this "Freedom". These people talk out of the sides of their mouths and expect me to believe their B.S.????? LOLOL
There are all manner of humans that have had aids, and many have been christian.
As a matter of fact, because catholic rules say condoms are sinful, the church has encouraged the spread of aids, among other diseases.
Religion is poisonous. ☠️
Matt became a nonbeliever after being raped in his sleep by an incubus.
God never condoned slavery or slaughter. It was mankind that is doing this to each other out of selfish free will.
God created you because He loves you, but it is your choose whether to follow Him or not.
The Atheist viewpoint has it all wrong on numerous points, but I guess you will find out the truth once leaving the earth, ha, ha
Wrong.
Not at all
the bible describes how to treat your slaves. The bible says that god asked abraham to kill his kid to prove his love for him, the flood of Noah supposedly killed every man, woman, and child except one family, and god made human sacrifice a requirement to forgive everyone's sins instead of just, you know... forgiving the sins without all the sacrifice parts. Vicarious redemption is gross, your god is a jealous bully, and I am morally superior to your god because I think owning people is wrong.
@@nightshade99 The fact that you end with "ha ha" kind of proves my point. Not believing in something without evidence is reason enough for you and your god to torture people for all eternity. I'm very glad there's absolutely no evidence of your celestial north Korea. If there is a god, he knows exactly what I require to be convinced of his existence.
@@razorback7874 The Bible describes the Law of slavery in that day. God didn't allow Isaac to be sacrificed. God wiped out the wickedness that infected his world. Are you referring to Jesus's sacrifice on the cross? Humankind were a lost cause at that point and this is how He wanted to redeem them. Vicarious Redemption is the only way humankind would deserve Heaven, therefore you may as well be destroyed or burn in Hell. He never wanted this for us. Where is He a jealous bully? God never condoned slavery; people took it upon themselves to enslave others.