A common deviation is to use the major V chord in a minor key. In A Minor, this would be an E Major chord, containing the notes EG#B. Though it is not part of the key, the G# works because it resolves strongly to the home note, A. See House of the Rising Sun. Another common one is the use of the bVII chord in a major key (in C: Bb major - BbDF ) to resolve to the I chord. In fact you can get away with using any major chord, in any piece, most of the time.
Listen from around 28:30 where he talks about the chord sequence used in the track. The track is *generally* in the key of A Minor, so uses the notes of the minor scale starting on A, which just happen to fall on all the white keys. But the chord sequence also includes a D# Major chord, which is not part of the A Minor scale at all. Deviations like this are very common in all sorts of music. The black notes in the bass line fall on the D# Major chord.
The Eb major chord is an example of this, though if we look at it closely, we can see that it contains the G note of the following chord. Also notice that the A from the F chord moves up to Bb for the Eb chord and then to B for the G chord, linking the three chords together in a little chromatic ascent. It really does help that's they're all major chords, too. Take your keyboard or guitar and play major chords up and down anywhere you like - its hard to go wrong.
Great tutorial, awesome choice of song to break down. Just one thing i remarked as the besserwisser i am. At 7;46 a minor scale includes the tonic one octave up (eight notes in total). Keep it up!
another easier way to do it instead of just jumping around on the controller is you could just jump to the chorus, in the justice remix theres actually a part in one part of one of the chorus reprises where they just hit a minor and jump down a bit. hard to describe with words but anyone who has heard the song can probably know what im talking about, cant miss it. but on jumping around: i think everyone in any genre does this honestly, if you've never tried to make music before or anything you'd probably think that finding the scale or even key of something is difficult but once you are able to do it you can kinda step and say to yourself "wow, that wasn't that hard". Then when you mess with ableton scale plugin you can go from there, the scale plugin is a bit confusing though i would assume for someone whos never used it, I did but now the easiest thing for me to do is just piano roll the scale and move it right before the marker, that way i can still see it but its just a reference. You can also do this with any instrument ever as well.
I'm not sure that really answered his question though? I think he's asking (and I would like to know to), why, in terms of theory, does it work and not sound horrible? If my track is in a standard minor or major scale, and I try to use a note outside of that scale, it sounds terrible. So I *think* the question was, why did the deviation outside the scale work in this instance and is there some kind of music theory rule about When and How these deviations outside of the tracks key work? Thanks
Hey guys! I don't seem to have the bass boffner in my library, I dont know why... Could someone be so kind of telling me how to tune manually the operator into that preset? PLEASE! I really like this series, and this episode in particular =)
I hope you're getting that, when you're putting your bass lines and melodies together, it's important to know what chord you're playing over, and I hope I've explained a little in my previous two posts why some chords from outside the strict key can work, and why the Eb might fit here. Using chords and tones from outside the key is really a matter of developing your ear until you hear them naturally, but if you're not used to it the two examples in my first reply should give you some idea.
My music theory is awful, can anyone just quickly explain how, if the bass line is in a minor, how comes the black keys, out of key i guess, can be used to make a good bassline ? apologise for the somewhat naive and stupid question
+Phillip Morrison probably because he forgot to put the original audio in the ext out, the song is passing through the master channel, maybe he did some configures and add effects in the master
I had a huge post typed out to this but google ate it, tl;dr: justice uses real intruments and outboard gear to demo so they can post process the fuck out of the midi later, that combined with heavy heavy compression and even heavier side chaining makes it even more rhythmic and more chopped up. If you notice now compared to then justice has a lot of slap bass in their music now, they can just record the notes in the scale on the bass along with other nuances (popping sound) then chop it up later. But mostly its just about how much compressors they use, using something for other than its intended purpose and getting a whole new effect. Sebastian does it this way too, mostly everyone in that scene uses the technique but end up having their own variation on it but they also use their own choices of old ass sampler for the one shots and stuff.
A common deviation is to use the major V chord in a minor key. In A Minor, this would be an E Major chord, containing the notes EG#B. Though it is not part of the key, the G# works because it resolves strongly to the home note, A. See House of the Rising Sun. Another common one is the use of the bVII chord in a major key (in C: Bb major - BbDF ) to resolve to the I chord. In fact you can get away with using any major chord, in any piece, most of the time.
That bass is so damn groovy.. You done an awesome job on this one
Listen from around 28:30 where he talks about the chord sequence used in the track. The track is *generally* in the key of A Minor, so uses the notes of the minor scale starting on A, which just happen to fall on all the white keys. But the chord sequence also includes a D# Major chord, which is not part of the A Minor scale at all. Deviations like this are very common in all sorts of music. The black notes in the bass line fall on the D# Major chord.
The Eb major chord is an example of this, though if we look at it closely, we can see that it contains the G note of the following chord. Also notice that the A from the F chord moves up to Bb for the Eb chord and then to B for the G chord, linking the three chords together in a little chromatic ascent. It really does help that's they're all major chords, too. Take your keyboard or guitar and play major chords up and down anywhere you like - its hard to go wrong.
Great tutorial, awesome choice of song to break down. Just one thing i remarked as the besserwisser i am. At 7;46 a minor scale includes the tonic one octave up (eight notes in total). Keep it up!
Great tutorial, touched well on a lot of the most important features of production in ableton
GREAT VID. Is there a way to download this ableton project?
Fantastic video, thanks so much for posting that. Really helped me understand Ableton after watching lots of crappy videos - you're a great teacher :)
another easier way to do it instead of just jumping around on the controller is you could just jump to the chorus, in the justice remix theres actually a part in one part of one of the chorus reprises where they just hit a minor and jump down a bit. hard to describe with words but anyone who has heard the song can probably know what im talking about, cant miss it.
but on jumping around: i think everyone in any genre does this honestly, if you've never tried to make music before or anything you'd probably think that finding the scale or even key of something is difficult but once you are able to do it you can kinda step and say to yourself "wow, that wasn't that hard". Then when you mess with ableton scale plugin you can go from there, the scale plugin is a bit confusing though i would assume for someone whos never used it, I did but now the easiest thing for me to do is just piano roll the scale and move it right before the marker, that way i can still see it but its just a reference. You can also do this with any instrument ever as well.
everything this guy explains in the first few minutes is EXACTLY where i'm at...i need this course so much...
Is the last note in the bass, the G# played just to give it some 'own touch' because I can't really hear that note in the original remix.
I'm not sure that really answered his question though? I think he's asking (and I would like to know to), why, in terms of theory, does it work and not sound horrible? If my track is in a standard minor or major scale, and I try to use a note outside of that scale, it sounds terrible. So I *think* the question was, why did the deviation outside the scale work in this instance and is there some kind of music theory rule about When and How these deviations outside of the tracks key work? Thanks
What skin is in the Ableton? Looks nice!!
So you do a music theory course, but you don't explain that none diatonic chord of E flat with G in the bass?
Can't you just run 2 oscillators from 1 synth a similar bass sound
nice video, very useful. You can also add a velocity midi effect to randomize velocity of chord. The amp you offer is very cool!
Hey guys!
I don't seem to have the bass boffner in my library, I dont know why...
Could someone be so kind of telling me how to tune manually the operator into that preset? PLEASE! I really like this series, and this episode in particular =)
I hope you're getting that, when you're putting your bass lines and melodies together, it's important to know what chord you're playing over, and I hope I've explained a little in my previous two posts why some chords from outside the strict key can work, and why the Eb might fit here. Using chords and tones from outside the key is really a matter of developing your ear until you hear them naturally, but if you're not used to it the two examples in my first reply should give you some idea.
PLANISPHERE, the justice bass
Thank you for this
My music theory is awful, can anyone just quickly explain how, if the bass line is in a minor, how comes the black keys, out of key i guess, can be used to make a good bassline ? apologise for the somewhat naive and stupid question
what a great tut! thanks alot! just love it!
I LOVE THIS SONG! THANKS ;)
Daft Punk-short circuit!!!!!!!!!!!!! that would be perfect for you to do next!!!!!!!!
whys the justice track sound weird in Ableton?
+Phillip Morrison probably because he forgot to put the original audio in the ext out, the song is passing through the master channel, maybe he did some configures and add effects in the master
this guy is the shit! amazing work.
There could only be that kind of video "tutorial", it would be faster learning!
Justice do it without computer, so...?
I had a huge post typed out to this but google ate it, tl;dr: justice uses real intruments and outboard gear to demo so they can post process the fuck out of the midi later, that combined with heavy heavy compression and even heavier side chaining makes it even more rhythmic and more chopped up. If you notice now compared to then justice has a lot of slap bass in their music now, they can just record the notes in the scale on the bass along with other nuances (popping sound) then chop it up later. But mostly its just about how much compressors they use, using something for other than its intended purpose and getting a whole new effect. Sebastian does it this way too, mostly everyone in that scene uses the technique but end up having their own variation on it but they also use their own choices of old ass sampler for the one shots and stuff.
that's why geeks will never be artists no matter how hard they learn or study
god you are dumb