Ford's Big Mistake? Will the Last Focus RS Be Remembered as a Great?
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In today's video, courtesy of fellow TH-camr @SamAustin I revisit the Mk3 Ford Focus RS. A car that was surrounded by some controversy when launched, but is now gaining traction as a "future classic" thanks to the fact it is almost certain to be the last ever Focus RS.
Time then to see if it's still as mediocre as I remember!
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Here in the States, the Focus RS was met with a lot of enthusiasm. Have seen 2 examples in the last 2-3 days and they do stick out. A real shame Ford is killing the Fiesta and Focus in Europe- both gone for 3-4 years here in the U.S. As a person who likes cars, the future of EV SUV's is pathetic.
Thank you for the review James and it was great to speak with you in person! I'm still loving my RS 👍
I like your style Sam, nice car!
@@drivinglikeannpc1923 Thank you 👍
Despite what James says the RS is a great car and I would much rather have it than a boring old GTI
Sounds like that short-shifter kit should go - the standard box is perfectly lovely as it is. And my big advice to every RS owner is put the Michelin Alpin PA4 tires on. Really settles the car nicely - just a much much better daily driver then and solves a lot of the problems James noted.
Hi Sam, I have a mk3 rs with mountune upgrades, running around 380 bhp. I have to say i don't recognise much of what this review had to say. Mine handles wonderfully. If your steering is as bad as he said (which i doubt very much)you really should get it looked at. FJRS in Braintree Essex i'm sure could sort it. Did not think much of this review to be honest, full of inaccuracies and prejudice against Ford and RS. I'm sure you let him review your car in good faith and was not expecting all the crap he came out with
The problem with not being offered a test drive was alive and well here in the UK too. I went to Gates Ford Stevenage, I was around 30 at the time and turned up in a mk7 Fiesta ST, in the most expensive paint colour, OZ wheels and lots of Mountune attached to it. So about the same money spent as was being asked for the new Focus RS. But when I went in and showed an interest and asked for a test drive (a logical upgrade for my car no?), I was told to put my phone number on a business card and they’ll give me a call. Never got the call.
I went into Stevenage Ford and asked to test drive this as well, I turned up in an AMG and they wouldn't let me test drive one without putting a deposit down on it... Years later I turned up to another Ford dealer in a Maserati looking for a cheaper fun car to replace it, they wouldn't let me test drive a Fiesta ST because it was raining 😅
i hate dealerships customer service. leave your number is answer for every question. its much easier to buy used car online than new one
Same here. 2016 Fiesta ST Mk7 st3 in spirit blue. Showed my interest and really wanted to feel the all wheel drive if it was that much more fun as they told me them self. It would blow my mind. Never even after asking again. They just really didn't wanne sell me one. I bought that Mk7 in that dealership. Now i own a Mk8 fiesta ST st3 silver fox 5 door. With how much i like the Mk8 over my Mk7, i didn't botter about a focus RS for 1 second anymore. Mk7 is a very nice car and a very good design but the 3 cilinder got me with the powerband and the sound. also the last Fiesta ST EVER. i will own this car for a very long time. Love it.
Not Ford related but I remember a Skoda salesman telling me, "I don't need to sell you this car- I'm making a fortune here" when I was trying to get a better trade in price against a new diesel VRS Fabia. Needless to say I did not need to buy one from that twat and I left the premises.
As always a Dealership is only as good as the people who work there. Back in 2018 I went into the Ford dealership in Lincoln to ask about lead times and placing an order on an RS. The guy I spoke to said he was too busy to talk at that time as he had to move some cars. I said no problem can I speak to the sales manager and he replied “I am the sales manager”.
Shame as I thought they were great cars, still that guy did me a favour as I sold my M2 and bought a Giulia Quadrifoglio shortly afterwards.
Well my Focus RS is seven years old and 55,000 kms. Came through the head gasket recall needing no work done. Transfer box replaced under warranty. No other problems great car, makes me smile every time I push it through undulating fast corners. And remember what CAR magazine said in their 2016 Giant Sports Car Test "Through wet corners the RS can show the supercars a thing or two" (Mclaren BMW etc etc)
It was the Dealerships in the USA that killed the Focus RS, too much markup and being indignant to people wanting a test drive.
😂😂😂
Mk3 Focus RS was not enough RS, unlike the Mk1 & MK2 are.
Agreed. It’s this stupid “worthiness” mentality of all car manufacturers. They bring out a product that appeals to everyone, and when you show interest in that product your treated with contempt, unless of course you are willing to buy it immediately or put a deposit down. But even then, the customer is treated poorly on purpose, as if it to say, our products are so superior, so in demand, so technically advanced, you are a lucky mortal to even be allowed to be in the building. You low life, mortal you
I think it would have failed no matter what.
People who do want these probably couldn't afford it at base price to begin with. However maybe the profit margins are significantly bigger to help justify it. People who have like 40k or whatever this was worth are buying a premium brand or a crossover. Not a dolled up economy car. Most of the time.
Anyway another thing would have been Ford killing off the focus completely. 100k sales a year is apparently not profitable. And Cafe regulations make small cars hard to justify from my understanding.
Might have had something to do with the fact that most people didn’t see the value in a $40k Ford Focus. Most of the cars in the US were the loaded Forged Wheel/RS2 Pack cars. I disagree that the markups were responsible for this car not doing well because those were very short lived and not long after the big markups came BIG DISCOUNTS! My local Ford dealership had a loaded black RS for $32,800 brand new and it still sat
I owned one for 6 months and was plagued with oil leaks due to the recall being incorrectly carried out. With that and the constant worry of the engine blowing I sold up and bought a mk2 rs. It puts huge a smile on my face every time a drive it. It looks so much better and that 5 pot sounds awesome.
Unfortunate, mine was fine and never leaked a drop before or after the recall. Fantastic car that other than the engine a MK2 just can't match in any area. I miss it
never seen jay review one, u should get in contact and ask him to do a review on ur mk2!
I have to agree that the mk2 is not only the best looking of all the rs generations, but probably the best looking hatch of all time IMO. It's so different from any other ford in terms of aggressive styling and that exotic engine (at least exotic for a hot hatch). It's like Ford really put it's best people to work on designing the mk2, almost like they got a great deal of input from Ford's rally division or something. We never got this generation in the States. I commented on another video about the mk2 that the other thing that is ashame is that the mk2 is the last RS in a 3 door body. I hate how all the hatches today are 5 door and no longer available as a 3 door, even as an option. Yes, yes, 5 doors are more practical, but hot hatches look miles better as 3 doors. The mk2 looks properly good with its rally-inspired styling, especially those fender flares. Just looks menacing from any angle. And that volvo 5 banger. What a brilliant choice to go with that sexy shape. Ford really nailed the mk2. They were on a role back then. The mk3 is probably the more competent RS with the awd, but the mk2 seems to still be able to hustle on a track, and I think I still would rather have the mk2 as a package, especially with those looks and engine. It did have cool engineering like that trick Revo knuckle to eliminate torque steer which was interesting and unique. When I see nurburgring videos, I see more mk2's than mk3's on track, so i guess that says something. Unfortunately, the mk2 will not be legal to import to the US until 2034, with our ridiculous and pointless 25-year import rule. At least it's only 15 years in Canada. I do like the MK1 as well, even with its own flaws like the torque steer. We can import those in 2027. The mk1 was special in its own way with alot of exclusive parts and it was limited in production, making it feel like a homologation special. Looks sexy too with unique styling as it was enhancing an already-great design.
I drive my 2018 year round in Canada and it is phenomenal in the snow and wet, better than any other car I've owned or driven. Saying a car wouldn't be good in bad conditions because of the tire choice the owner is likely to make is lazy and ridiculous, you could literally say that about any car.
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Truck driver here lol I do the same thing. His energy/voice makes it easy listening.
Interesting review. Cars are often polarizing like music for example. As an owner of a Frozen White 2017 RS I have to say the car is phenomenal and by far the most fun car I’ve ever owned. If you are considering picking one of these up used just do it, thank me later!
The best colour imo for the stormtrooper vibe :)
@Simon Attley I’m looking at a used 2016 with 3.8k miles. Should I pull the trigger?
So no Focus, No Fiesta and no Mondeo. Wtf is happening to Ford??????
Theyve decided that SUV's are the only way to go from here on out. Like so many other brands.
This decision has made auto shows boring af
@@joshuaholman7760 Aspiration and the halo effect have gone out of the window. If they want to kill their heritage then fine but don't complain when they are a shadow of what they were before. Least said about the new Capri the better
@Rob Small But people aren't buying the cars. In numbers that make it profitable at least. The sales were really bad last year for all of Europe
@@baronvonjo1929 Still in a pandemic, people struggling economically, refused to build certain models even if customers inquired about them and either raised prices on existing models or pushed expensive EV's upon the customer. They are the reasons for low car sales in general.
The headgasket wasn't the wrong way round it was the wrong head gasket all together it was the one that was in the Mustang (not the exact same setup) that went into the focus rs which actually required a different head gasket so I am lead to believe
That's true. As if you could install the head gasket "The wrong way round" Who on Earth told him that! Also, the 'Sport' mode does not harden up the suspension above 'Normal' mode (unless you choose that by using the button on the indicator stalk) A little homework before reviewing and committing to TH-cam?
@@johndodd4862 his research is usually spot on so I will let him off. My favourite TH-camr by quite some way if I'm honest
@@johndodd4862 LOL, I had visions of Ford production line workers using hand drills and craft knives to carve the head gasket holes out so it would fit the wrong way round 😀
It just shows how little research this guy did. Add to that not understanding how the drive modes work. Would only take a small amount of research to figure that out. Lazy I call it.
@@Beer_Dad1975 The engine was built in Spain so I'll make no further comment on your theory😜
I think part of why the car seems that bit less refined is because it has been modified. With the torque steer, for example, this doesn't happen on the standard car. At least with some decent tires on it. The way you describe the gearbox also seems completely contradictory to what others have said about the standard car. And as far as I can tell, everyone has raved about how well it handles.
It may have been more fair to the car if you had driven a stock version.
I agree. I’ve had mine since new in 2016, modified to 430hp now (no LSD though), and lowered, updated brakes, quick shift, and no issues with torque steer and no issue with how the quick shift works, or how sharply she turns in. Possible the car James was driving wasn’t set up particularly well. Yes the tide is choppy and hard, yes it’s not got the finish that VW has, but it also hasn’t got the depreciation that VW or similar have.
James is entitled to ‘not like’ the car or ‘not get it’ and so be it. As for the kind of person who buys or bought one, I’ve not come from any Fiesta - never had one. Had a couple of older RS models though.
yup, ditch those hankook tyres for starters
@@philatkinson1983 didn’t realise she was on Hankook Tyree 🥴🥴. Mines on PS4S Michelins. Wouldn’t use anything else!
I’ve had an RS and it wasn’t perfect, but the steering was fantastic, only issue was it veered under full throttle, which was well documented by owners, but it only veered in straight acceleration, full throttle on turns was amazing, it gripped and fired you out of any bend, the ride was busy but you can buy a DSC module and it’s much better, still a nailed on classic.
@@ohhyesitsonlyme Yup, no car with 400+hp should be on Hankooks, they are garbage.
This being a decently modified version, I think it’s a bit unfair take. I own an RS so I’m biased and… I absolutely love it.
I have a 2018 Edition out here in Spain where the roads are so much smoother, and have some pretty amazing roads to choose from, some just a short drive from home. The car works amazingly well out here, very rare you get the veering steering or tramlining. Car mods are banned here without pricey homoligation fees so the car is stock other than the lowered seat subframes and a K&N. Not a single thing has gone wrong it from new, and service costs are €240 so very cheap. I have been looking to sell it recently as im moving, but literally have no idea what to have next.
I think the major problem this one has with handling and ride are the cheap Hankook tyres someone has fitted to it.
Would you review the Mk2 RS next? Thank you ✌️
I owned one for 2.5 years. No issues at all. Absolutely fantastic to drive, sounded better than most current 4 pot hot hatches on the market (exc. the i30N).
Welcome to North America's world. For decades, you guys have been getting enviable models we never could purchase. The M3 wagon, for instance.
The Mk1 Focus RS would get my money... it just looks spot on!
The Mk1 is hideous, triangle lights and just weird lines. It was Ford's 'picasso' period. Reminds me of the 'Ka'
@@AudioJellyfish Wrong
Considering dealers still want over 30k for them I'd say it holds up quite well.
My sons mate had a Fiesta ST MK7, spent ages hankering after one of these, got to the point of being able to afford one, test drove one and was very disappointed, came back and sent his ST in for a load of tuning work, and still has it.
This raises the thought that I want to see you doing a video attempting drifting … Anyone else want to see J getting tail happy in something? Maybe a colab with another TH-camr known for drifting?
Yes. Expand his horizons for better reporting (but mostly for our entertainment )
Thank you so much for filling the void left by proper Top Gear. You, Alex Kersten and Rory Reid need to get Amazon on board.
I am very surprised of your driving experience. I own an RS Edition and it's a precision B road weapon. It is a monumentally capable car, and I can't say I share much of your criticisms with it. My only criticism is that it has no character. I prefer my old ST225, and for shear fun, the Fiesta ST180 - which incidentally I would criticize for its hesitancy to turn in and slightly woolly on centre steering feel. No complaints for the RS though . . . Superb car to drive!
i had a mk3 rs for 4 years ended up putting the mountune m400r kit on it the car was faultless the time i had it, it gave to power it needed and was so much fun to drive , if any thing the steering felt a bit elasticated but that's something I got used to, now I have a c63 amg w205 and if I had enough money would have a rs aswell , great vid 👍😀
Well done mate, your summary says it all 👌🏻
As an owner of a second gen RS I absolutely agree.
Had mine since new in 2017. I’ve never really loved it except for how it looks, But it has been problem free and has cost me effectively zero in depreciation so that’s nice lol.
That's the thing... there really is a cult following for ST and RS Fords... they hold their value well
I will buy it from you.
@@ssuuy he won’t accept Monopoly money bro.
@@riccccccardo don't you have a border to jump?
It may hold it's value if you sell it privately, but if sold to a garage or part exchange it could likely result in a £2000-5000 loss, irrespective of the model, mileage, condition and year.
I am a Ford person, most of my cars my entire life have been Fords. Having owned a used Contour SVT and a slightly used Focus SVT I was no stranger to Ford performance and I always wished we had the RS models here in the states (even though I would never have been able to afford one I would have loved to see them around). When they announced this gen would be sold worldwide I was so excited we were finally getting them here. When I was finally in a financial position to be able to [questionably] afford one I did not hesitate. I got my 2017 model in Jan. of 2019 and I absolutely love it. No regrets whatsoever. Like Sam, it was also a bit of dream car for myself.
I was an RS 90’s lad and loved them. Well done Sam for loaning the car 👍🏼.
Top video J, as ever ☺️👍🏼
The assumption about target audience was spot-on. I grew up, bought a Fiesta (MK6.5 Zetec S), then bought a Fiesta ST (MK7.5), then wanted the natural evolution of that, and bought a MK3 Focus RS.
i bet you were an adidas track suit too
nope, as an aging skater Dickies chinos only since forever. As a matter of fact I never knew anyone in cars like these to wear tracksuits prominently. Is it a slavic thing, or common in the UK as well?
I had an RS MK2 and RS MK3. I compare both and decide to kept the RS MK3. Better feeling on the road. You are right the car is very stiff but in Normal/sport/drift mode by default the suspension is the same and change only in race mode (very stiff, unusable). What you said regarding the change of stiffness between Sport and Normal is not true. Please notate that you can also change the suspension of the car in very Stiff mode (=race) fromr the other mode (Normal, Sport, drift) with a lever on the left behind the steering wheel. This car win a lot of prices in the car magazine (2*car of the year for Echappement, Evo so far I rememberd,...) . For me the RS MK3 was a very good car, only one big default: too stiff, it's why I decided to replace it last year by a Yaris GR
To clarify what the problem was with the original engines: The engine assembly contractor used the incorrect head gasket - from the Mustang spec version of this engine. The Focus RS version has a slightly different head and block, with extra coolant passages. The Mustang gasket blocks some of these passages, but eventually causes the water to push its way into the cylinder.
The standard suspension is way too jiggly for me. I wonder if it was developed by German engineers, who seem to like this sort of thing in their cars. Richard Parry-Jones was very much missed here. There is (or at least was) an adaptive suspension system available for about a grand, which makes it a whole lot more comfortable and loses none of the roadholding. That would be where my money went, not in the short-shift kit and 1990s era Max Power parpy crackly exhaust.
Some great quotes to be had here - "when the suspension is at it's least intolerable"... Lol..
I still own a MK3 RS edition which I've had from new since 2018, and I totally disagree with the comments about torque steer and cornering in this car, having had 2 focus st's prior to this, they both had hideous torque steer particularly the 2015 and earlier one, which they would have being front wheel drive Vs this car, but the steering is light yet responsive and it literally will go round corners at speeds it just shouldn't every single time.
You probably got the Chinese knockoff for the RS! I daily drive one and it’s absolutely planned and fun to daily
The first one of these I test drove the torque steer and tram lining was so bad I thought it was broken, the dealer had another and that was just as bad. Tried another from a different dealer and that was better so bought that one. Then fitted some springs and spacers and got a full alignment done and it absolutely transformed the drive and the ride was way less jiggly.
Loved my 2018 RS. Totally underrated.
As someone who “used to be” a hardcore Volvo enthusiast, I really don’t like Fords, in fact i have a personal thing against Ford.
But when you really think of it, it is almost hilarious similar things are, Volvo has completely alienated the enthusiasts crowd (like myself).
I'm not normally one to comment but something about the noise these make just really really gets on my nerves 😂 rip the 5cyl powerplant 😫
Sound like a really wet fart don't they 🤣
@@midlifecarsis6420 if you want to put it politely 🤣
@@liamkilroy9478 politeness is not my forté 😆
Exhaust mods doing that- stock car isn’t like that.
@@Hugh.G.Rection. stock car has the same note, just quieter, still a 1/10
Previously owned a 5 cylinder ST-3 facelift in electric orange, what a car, what an engine! That car always put a smile on my face. Was a mountune aswell 275 bhp, 265 torque, with a miltek, regret selling it.
I seemed to remember you really like the MkIII Focus ST. Its probably a more sensible daily driver for most people.
My friend had nothing but trouble with his. Engine rebuilds etc. Engine is just made of cheese.
melt the block and you have FONDUE👍
The only reason to recommend it right now is that it's going to be a collectors car soon.
With the added front LSD that thing should be amazing to drive (although I spotted rubbish tyres) but the steering can be odd and the floating on the road too. Good tyres and a good geometry check has been known to improve some cars but there is still someone odd setup into the handling of the mk3 RS.
These didn't quite catch on here in Canada as the price difference vs a Golf R was enormous. At one point you could get a manual MK7 R for $41,995 vs $59,999 for the Focus. For ~$2-4k more you could get into an Audi RS3 or non-competiton BMW M2, so you'd have to be completely out of your mind to pay that for a Focus.
Probably because the Golf was as boring as, well.... Golf
The edition also came exclusively with the matte grey rear spoiler not just the inserts, non edition were body coloured. Here in Finland at least. Never warmed to this model having owned the facelifted Focus 2.5 ST with a bit of a tune. It's all about the sound for me, need to enjoy it before I go deaf in old age!
Love the blue of this car. Nice video. Keep up the good work.
i have been on track with mine and had no overheating problems at all
I daily an Rs on E30 and race it and I’ve legit gapped every other competitor, golf R, STI, veloster, type R, 5.0s , tbh if u mod it and definitely go big turbo you’ll be breaking hearts and hurting feelings forsure!
I'm glad I have a 1 to 18 scale diecast version of the 2017 Ford Focus RS
Though it’s not a rs
the st with the 2.3 engine is derived from the previous gen rs is still a pretty fun car even if it doesn’t have the full power
I love my RS - it's such a superb all-rounder. My number 1 recommendation to everybody is to fit the Michelin Alpine PA4 tires. As well as providing amazing grip in all weathers (I have had it in the summer desert heat, and the snow), they soften up the ride and calm down the jitters very nicely, and they also last a lot longer than the summer ones.
The Michelins will not stand up to track abuse though - I tried them for a laugh, and they go gooey after about 5 laps - especially the way I drive. But that's OK because probably the AWD clutches won't last much longer than that anyway. There's certainly better track cars out there (e.g. my Caterham!).
I don't get any torque-steer (literally none), or the hesitancy on turn-in that you were describing, and mine is factory-stock - so I wonder if somebody's "played" with your particular one. Don't do that :-)
The turning circle is rubbish. The base Focus' turning circle isn't good, and then they stuck wider tires on, and then of course they can't turn as far - parking it is a faff. The fuel tank also wasn't enlarged from the standard Focus, so the range is pathetic (300 miles? 250 more like) - again, especially the way I drive.
Aside from those quibbles, it's still a fantastic all-round road car. It just loves to be driven - it eggs you on! And Ford are total idiots for abandoning this market.
Loving your channel! Small thing; try to find a polarizing filter when you put the camera on the bonnet looking inside the front windshield, so you're better visible when you're talking :) (At 4:43)
Nice to see another Ford review from a long term ford fan here in uk. How long I remain a fan is up for debate what with their ev shift. I'm enjoying my Fiesta ST mark8 for now!
This RS, like it's predecessors, will become a collectors item and gain a lot of value into the future.
That snap, crackle and pop exhaust note would drive me insane. It sounds like a bad "ricer".
I suspect the odd handling is connected to the 4WD setup, maybe not a fast enough or smart enough CPU running the show?
Oh well, thanks for posting, James.
I've never really got the whole fast Ford thing. I know, there's someting wrong with me. I've tried many of the things from MkI Escort Mexico and RS, MkI and II Fiesta XR2, various XR3s and a Mondeo ST. I just never understood why they were, and indeed still are, held in such high regard. When you look at the values of those old things now, holy hell, you'd have to be completely nuts to pay what's being asked. The only fast Ford I enjoyed was the MkI Capri 3000. Now, give that some stick on a wet road and hold on tight!.
Such a head turner in that colour. Everytime i see one, i want one.
Unfortunately the 2.3T eco boost will always been remembered, maybe not so much in the UK, as the eco boom engine due to the early 2015 engine failures.
I was lucky enough to snatch one! got a 2018 in race red. I traded my mx5 when I got it and its just as fun IMO
Here in New Zealand it was a case of just rock up to a dealer and you could take one for a spin (a salesman went with you in an RS) without any hassles. I always hated how they found, it's like a 91 honda civic with a fart cannon except it's factory.
They don't sound so bad with the stock exhaust - not awful, but much better than a Honda with a fart-can - this one has some awful after market junk bolted to it which does indeed make it horrific sounding, at least in the video.
There was even a rental one here in Invercargill that was well worth the hire.
@@AdamLeask I bet that lived it's life at the redline LOL...
@@katzicael We made sure we made the most of our $300 rental by doing over 1,100kms in the single day we had it lol.
Great Video James
Jay, would you try a bog standard 2015 1.0 125ps Focus mk3.5 titanium trim? Got my one a year ago as a daily, still on the original wet belt... glug
Ahh the MK3 Focus RS. I had one of these cars for a short amount of time from brand new after previously owning multiple MK2 RSs. Thankfully mine came after they realised the issues with the head gasket - so it didn't need that dreaded recall. I remember the head gasket issue ruining the car for people who got theirs early, they usually suffered from oil leaks afterward which generally put a dampener on ownership. They aren't quick cars as standard and they sound terrible, but they look great (In my opinion) and the Recaro buckets are some of the best seats you will find in any car, unfortunately mounted a touch to high for anybody over 6 foot tall who wants a sporty driving position. The aftermarket fixed this with a seat lowering kit - but it was an oversight by Ford. It used to tramline when driving hard in a straight line, but I do think they might have fixed this with software updates over the years. It was a weird car.. I remember being underwhelmed with it at the time, but I do think it has aged well and I did consider buying another a few years back.
I mean to a lot of people certainly myself included - 350bhp, 4.7 seconds to 60 and 165mph IS a quick car. I suppose it depends what you're comparing it to.
As an owner of a FK8 Type R GT this was an interesting review as the Focus RS edition really looks the part. Interesting that both cars have a horrendous turning circle. You need to put the car into comfort mode to get a half decent turn in car parks.
Bought one of these and fell out of love with it quite quickly. Just didn’t have the soul of previous RS models.
I love my Red Edition RS, it's a great all-rounder but each to their own I guess! 🙂👍
I'd feel guilty about every mile I put on a limited edition one. I hope you're able to enjoy it!
@@drivinglikeannpc1923 enjoy every minute mate. Life's too short. I'm on 10,981 miles and it's my daily. Luckily I don't go too far so my motors hold their value. I have a GR Yaris on 3,330 miles and that's an impressive machine too! 😍 👍🏻
@@k4xe a friend took me out in one of those and it was the only time I thought I'd made a bad choice in buying the RS and not waiting...
I'm not about to trade it in now though! 🤑
You must struggle to choose what to drive every day.
@@drivinglikeannpc1923 RS is a better all-rounder but yes a very special last hurrah from Toyota for petrol heads! 😁 👍🏻
I’ve got a red RS too, was thinking of selling it for a Yaris GR. Absolutely loved the size of my fiesta mk6 and miss how small it was
Mk3 rs owner, previously had a Mk7 golf R manual. I can honestly say, for a "driver" the focus hands down is more engaging and fun, by comparison the golf was dull, and had an even smaller boot as well as just as many squeaks and rattles. Not to mention the difference in depreciation and the exclusivity the rs brand brings. Best manual "hyper" hatch on the market with some ps4's and a good fast road set up 👍
Same as myself. I currently own a manual 2017 MK7 Golf R which I have shared on my channel for 6 years alongside this RS Edition. Agree with your points and yes I think I will be putting PS4S's or PS5's when the tyres need changing on the RS 👍
@SamAustin i had bridgestone potenzas on the golf. Ps4s on the focus and the difference is a clear margin. Definitely recommend the michelin rubber. Even in the wet/snow they've worked well. Bet the ps5's will be awesome. Keep the focus and trade the golf for an e92 m3 😉
Funny you say that. I went from an E46 M3 in Sept 22 to a 435d Gran Coupe to a Mk3 Focus RS in Jan 23. (i traded the M3 in for the 435d and it got wrote off 2 or so months later, so it was replaced by the Focus RS). I had the Focus around a month and wasnt feeling like it was my car. Felt like someone elses, But a few weeks back i put it into a kerb in the snow, and had to drive my mrs mk7 Golf GTD whilst it was off the road. When the Focus got back a week later, i was shocked at how crap the Focus drove in comparison to the Golf.
Im actually a VAG hater. Do not see the appeal to them. I had a Skoda Superb whilst the insurance was sorting rhe 435d accident, and between driving it for a few weeks, and drive my mrs mk7 GTD, i sort of now get why people drive them. So much better than a Ford in every aspect. Still wouldnt own one. Also from driving Fords from 2005 to 2016, and then getting back into a Ford in 2023, it's harking back as to how crap they actually are. Thinking of selling the Focus RS already
@@E9JMX Obvious troll comment, funny how others here with the Golf and Focus prefer the Focous
Jackanory tell us a story😂
I just remember that when it first came out, smee bought one, and for me, that just said it all.
I'm actually looking into getting a 2018 focus RS myself. And at first I'm going use it for getting around. But I am planning to add better parts as needed and roll cage. I want to use it to Rally. I plan on going to Team O'Neal's school to get certified.
I agree I’m Australia they essentially make the mondeo with a Ford barra straight 6 engine that’s turbocharged and it’s an animal! Yet we don’t get that here in the uk :(
Very nice car
Nice paint job too
I genuinely have no clue where you're coming from with regards torque steer. I've owned a mk3 for nearly 5 years (albeit the non Editon version) and have not experienced even a hint of it. Maybe the quaiffe? I dunno. There is the issue where the car will very rarely pull slightly if you give it the beans on a heavily cambered road however. Oh, and nothing changes to the suspension between normal and sport drive modes. It's hard in either. 🤣
I own a 2018 in the US. The head gasket issue was the Mustang gasket fitted until they changed them over to the RS gasket. 2018s shipped to the US, had roofs that were gloss black painted. The US never got the door guards. I don't experience any weird torque steer or steering issues. Maybe a problem with that car. Where do you go next? - Either sell and buy an RS3 or A45S or keep it and upgrade it more. Or keep it for the Manual AWD fun and utility that it is and buy a RWD S6, V8 or 911 or Cayman platform for the next level. Or, an older GT-R or M2/3/4 or B58 Supra....So many options and keep the RS. Point is, you don't have to go anywhere.
19:01 2007 model year Mondeo ST220s can be had for around £2500 if you can find them. Really loving mine and absolutely glad I bought it: though well looked after it is starting to show its age around the rims and bodywork, which I intend to see to once I can afford it. The V6 feels bulletproof though.
Slow as fuck
Over 600 squid to tax is the problem.
@@grahamhaynes7658 and the fuel costs they’re very thirsty. I used to have one
@@grahamhaynes7658 Very true. At roughly £54 a month it is considerably higher than I pay for insurance. But it's still cheaper than having finance on a new car.
And I drive below average miles due to WFH so I feel I can enjoy it.
@@grahamhaynes7658 just get a pre 2006 on then...
The focus RS in America was Introduced to great fanfare along with dealers taking deposits and signing orders for way above msrp. Then they arrived and immediately began to have problems. Incorrect head gaskets caused long repair delays and gearbox and transmission leaks were pretty bad and frequent. I don't think I have ever seen any performance car that went from thousand$$$ over keep to lemon law buyback sitting on the trade in lot in such a short period of time!
I feel like I dodged a bullet by staying away from it.
Current 2024 Integra Type-S owner.
This is what I really wanted couldn’t find a clean one.
I feel privileged to have lived thru the 1980’s and 1990’s where as a teenager one could aspire to own a “hot hatch” with a realistic prospect such as Ford XR2/3 Golf GTi and Peugeot 205Gti’s as well as these weird things called “sports cars” such as Toyota MR2, Mazda MX5, MG-F right thru to the hairy chested TVR’s and Porsche 924/944/968, Lotus Excel etc. TBH the only later day hero’s on the market at reasonable price points are MX5 still and GR Yaris and these Fiesta ST/RS. No wonder youngsters are loosing interest in cars…. 🤷🏻♂️ The fact that the VW Up!, GTI version has sold out shows people still want “inexpensive” performance orientated cars and manufacturers are missing a big sales opportunity by leaving this segment. Renault Sport version of Clio has been “go-to” model for 25 years but even they have lost interest 😔
Here in the US I think more and more young people loath cars. You can't survive here without. No alternatives. Seem a huge movement of people online promoting alternatives to cars. Young people now are holding back getting a license. Cars are all completely unaffordable. The average new sale is 48k.
All those sports cars you said were not ever very popular or desirable I think here. Only a few sporty cars are actually desirable to the point folks go for it. Most want the big three row crossover or truck.
R.i.p ford it's been great
I have had my 2016 RS from new. I use it every day and have clocked up 50000 miles. I love driving it and have some great fun with it especially in the wet weather. I think it is a great car and will keep it until the next RS comes out. I wish?
i justt looked and jayemm has drive practically every hot focus bar two. the old focus st170 which most people have forgotten exists and the mk2 focus rs. id love to see you drive a mk2 rs and hear your opinions on it compared to this.
for me the 5 cylinder sound and the looks would be my reasons for picking the mk2, but i wonder which feels better to drive. the mk2 rs is pretty much the same value as the mk3 rs now which is wild.
He can have a lash in my 170 when it’s done 😄
Preordered and owned one for 3 years and a couple of month. It was very quick once the pretty much essential Mountune MP375 kit was added but fell out of love with it really as never really felt special as kept seeing them everywhere and it didnt look that much different to a regular mk3 Focus / ST, plus the recall shenanigans and long term ownership worries out of warranty. Mine went back to Ford 3 times to have the gasket and cylinder head replaced, then back a further two times to remedy oil leaks as a result of the head gasket not replaced properly. The seats wore horribly on the bolsters in less than 3 years and 10k miles, and also the light switch surround randomly broke and the loose change flap / OBD cover. I swapped mine for a GR Yaris as absolutely have no regrets as on the road up to UK legal speed limits there is practically nothing in it in terms of pace plus a 10 year warranty compared for 3 for the Ford that I felt like was genuinely was going to start falling to bits shortly after that ran out. The RS does make a nice noise though.
I know of two people who ordered them. Both serious car people, both were disappointed and sold them soon after.
I test drove one back in the day and it had some big problems , starting with the coolant consumption because of the defect in the head gasket of the engine the first years of production.
Then it was the torque and power curves. The car was fast but with so flat torque and power curves it had ZERO drama and sensations.
My friends Impreza STI with 330 hp, thats 20 less hp than the focus felt like it had 100 hp more cause of the oldschool power curve of the engine and my actual Evo 7 with around the same power of the focus feels a rocketship in comparison.
Otherwise its a good car but Im not very fond of the Haldex type AWD either cause I prefer true AWD or RWD specially in a 1600Kg car.
AWD is a GKN Twinster torque vectoring thingy I believe. It’s pretty good imo.
Looking at the roads you tested the car on it may not have been torque steer you were experiencing. The car does have a noticeable problem with PDC over compensating (or veering steering) on B road type surfaces. A lot of owners are having this turned off and it does make a difference.
A stock car may have been a little easier to assess than someone else’s modified car.
Exactly! Its not torque steer, its the PDC.
I had my PDC turned off and run the tyres at 38 front/35 rear psi. That's 3 psi lower than standard. It is now a much better car although they are gutless at standard BHP. Mine has a 400 BHP tune. Got it new 5 years ago today, not a garage queen and lives outside in the rain. Regards.
Came here to say this.. this is the correct answer. It's PDC and you can turn it off with a cheap cable.
I had one of the first cars and took it to a Mountune dealer where their head tech went out with me and proclaimed the PDC dangerous.
I subsequently managed to have it supposedly turned off, but I think Ford lied as - the problem was still there; marginally less intrusive - in so far as the steering tug was reduced - but all the clueless calling it torque steer appear blissfully unaware that the car has nowhere near enough torque to do that at 70mph+ 😂😂😂
There's something about the exhaust note of this generation rs that sounds 'hollow' and personally not pleasant. I know you can't compare it to a 5 pot but the older cars sounded so much nicer
I had a look underneath one of these at a Ford dealer this week, a lower mileage 17 plate example I was very surprised to see considerable rust on the underside. The subframe at the rear in particular looked very ropey. The car was up for sale at £30k which is a whole lot of cash for a ticking time bomb of corrosion underneath. I recently sold a 13 year old 125,000 mile Alfa Giulietta that had less rust in it. The exhaust sounds rubbish as well.
I was one of the first recipients of this back in 2016. I still love it and will never sell but I’ve had issues. The clutch went in the first 9 months (luckily covered by warranty) and more recently the head gasket - £2500 later and all is good. I love the car but don’t have confidence in its longevity.
I had a focus ST as a courtesy car once, the torque steer was really bad & really didnt think much of it, hated the dashboard too. Its the Aldi of hot hatches.
This is really good to know. I love how its a right wheel drive. Part of me wanted to get a Skoda Fabia. But I figured be easier to get parts for the Ford. Aww so rough at the end to hear that i mean i love the Golf but I love the Focus as well. Im curious if you have done a video on the Fabia ill have to check that out.
It's an astounding car in my humble opinion. Nothing puts a smile on your face like an ST or an RS.
Problem is Jay, you've reviewed one that's been modded. So what you have said might apply to that particular car but not to the general model itself. For example, your gripe about the gears could be due to the type of short shift or how it's been fitted. But watch many other reviewers drive a stock RS and they will praise the slick gear movement.
Maybe to get a true impression you should have reviewed a stock version.
I have experience in driving the Golf R and the Focus RS and while of course the Golf is much nicer inside, I'd take the RS every time due to it's handling, performance and of course.. fun
Damn I miss my 2017 mk3 rs now
The car of choice for the boy racer who got a well paid job.
Not one of your best ones I think. Claiming the RS is front biased is patently wrong, it is in road modes but it’s one of the most rear biased AWDs out there when you turn the fun dial up. If I remember rightly even if you don’t actually throw the car sideways, it still feels far more rear biased when driving normally in Drift mode.
The Mk3 did a great job with the transmission and the styling was actually not too bad either, but the best thing about the Focus RS was the Volvo engine which they couldn’t use any more.
I had one of these and also the previous model, my son had on of the limited edition red cars. I am surprised you did not like it, I found it a very good daily driver, refined and comfortable. I did take it on track once but it was too heavy and the brakes were not up to hard track use. The fact that they are holding their value suggests that people are voting with their hard earned.
Why are you surprised? The RS ride quality is choppy, the engine noise is nothing like the older motors, and the way how the car shuffles about on full throttle on some roads is a widely known trait...
you really should try other cars outside of Dagenham land
I tracked my many times and didn't have any brake issues. All it needs is a brake fluid flush. My main complaint with the car was the rough ride. I do think that Jay is reviewing a highly modified car, so it's not like the stock version much at all. Mine stayed stock except for pads and rotor replacements.
@@ahoang9069 I am surprised because I really liked the car. I have owned and driven a very wide variety of cars
@@kensavage2355 Yes, well that's very good then. If you like how your car drives then that is all that matters. There is just no need to challenge someone just because their experience and preferences of a given car is different to your own.
@@ahoang9069 No challenge just sharing the experience as an owner (or former owner)
Sounds like my old 1.6 Orion LX when the exhaust started blowing….😜👍🇮🇲
The MK2 RS is best focus RS model they produced, if you haven’t already please get one on the channel.
I have one now after selling my mk3…I love it
I heard one drive through our village the other day. It sounded like it had a hole in the exhaust. Now I've come to realise that might be stock. I thought someone had put a crazy sports exhaust on it. There's Mercedes A classes that are similarly set up. AMG 35/45s. Pretty sure those have been modified though.
Unusual and out of character lack of homework here, with so many things wrong (suspension doesn't change with drive mode, headgasket "the wrong way round" and general knowledge of the car / options) which made for disappointing viewing. I also think that Sam should have sorted some of the issues that the car clearly has (bin those tyres and sort out the dubious short shift) before offering it up for a drive. Perhaps a standard / FPM375 version would have made a better test?
I owned the first year one. It was fun in the corners but a dog up top. And I didn’t feel comfortable w turning up the boost so got bored w it and sold it after like 12 months. It was ok but a legend to me is the last Ford I owned gt350 ! That car was special in its own way.
That just sounds " Nasty " Not a fan.of that noise at all .