Should We Break The Law For Activism? Chris Packham | Good Morning Britain
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- After recently joining scientists at a Westminster demonstration, calling on the government to stop issuing new oil and drilling licences, the Springwatch presenter, who upped his own security after his car was blown up outside his home, considers whether It's Time To Break the Law? In this deeply personal film Chris explores whether it is ethically acceptable to break the law. He meets climate change activists who believe mass civil disobedience is necessary to force policy change. But are their actions justified to combat the climate crisis?
Broadcast on 20/09/23
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Did Partridge listen to his points? He’s talking intelligently about a difficult situation. They go for sound bites but ignore his point about the laws being crazy and useless.
thats pretty par for the course when it comes to GMB. Looking for soundbites, asking questions in bad faith. Unfortunate a lot of the general public eat it up
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Tony Heller some carbon is more equal
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Just the sound of Tony Heller's voice makes my skin crawl.
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Democracy is dying at An 1930's rate because of this climate alarmism
Never have kids
Hard to be too alarmed at an existential threat to civilization.
Absolutely stunning interview. Well done Chris! Madeley is a knob as always.
Totally agree, what red faced prat he is.
Packham is balking tollocks, inciting terrorism is a serious offence.
Chris makes so many really good points
held his own in a clear and concise way. Even against Richard who clearly want to get sound bites and has limited knowledge.
Would have to see the doc tonight
Like he got his own sound bites.
The fossil fuel companies spoke and Sunak obeyed.
Arrest this criminal...
Chris Packham…….Legend
Richard Madeley…….Bellend
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Richard madeley legend Chiris Packham bellend
Keep up the good work Chris, you speak for the true issues and put aside social conformity and acceptance, as your pure drive is the protection of this beautiful geological era and all the stunning species that live within it. Thank you
Honestly, at this point, I am completely ready and willing to have a revolution.
So democracy is not good enough for you.
@@jamesscottvideos we don’t have a democracy. Britain is no more a democracy than China is “the people’s Republic”
Absolutely!
If you haven't already please all get out into the street.
Join XR, Greenpeace whatever but be out there!
I'm in the Netherlands & have been out today with others blockading the main motorway out of The Hague.
This is Day 12!
On the first day 25,000+ people came out, hundreds today & numbers will probably reach tens of thousands again this next weekend.
The police are sick of us but the government so far are silent! They promised to start reducing fossil fuel subsidies but they have done nothing.
Lots of arrests today but we will continue.
I believe 'escalation' will follow soon...
@@jamesscottvideos .....it's hardly a democracy when governments do a U turn on previous commitments. Especially when their direction of travel is putting our lives & the lives of millions at risk.
When activists are arrested in their beds for 'inciting' peaceful protests!
When politicians direct their ire at 'lefty lawyers'.
The judiciary should be able to work
independently without any pressure from the government.
So no, democracy is being undermined, probably without you even noticing....
Some groups have had to break the law in the past to make necessary changes in society - like votes for women for example. They all know that if they break the law they risk being thrown in prison and bearing a burden for that conviction for the rest of their lives.
Actually that's historically inaccurate. The suffragettes movement was stopped because of war movement, when that happened women took up men's jobs to keep country running while men were at war. After then it was decided to give certain women the vote
But you don't have to break the law when you can vote for a green party. But because not enough voters agree with your alarmism, they always lose. So you must really hate democracy.
@@jamesscottvideos at last one with a bit of sense, Packham should stand for a party and rally everyone around and change the rules from the inside, because all these people do is get the backs up when people are trying to earn a living to look after their family. but what do they do when society breaks down with no plastics no heating no electricity.
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Genuine questions:
1) Do you think if the women's Suffrage movement, or the African National Congress had formed political parties in their time, they would have gained the majority given the cultures they were going against?
2) If they did eventually gain majority approval, how long would this have taken? How long between these movements starting and their outcomes being achieved? (Quite a while I believe)
3) Does the science show that we have the time it took these movements to achieve their outcome, even when they involved civil disobedience?
4) Where do people get their information, and are any forms of media attempting to pull attention towards potentially less meaningful topics because of their ability to monetise those topics, or any other biases they may have?
I'm not sure it's as simple now as a political party who are in the right getting majority approval easily, but it's a fair point. I feel the above is also fair though.
@@JonathanHogarth thats a fair enough answer, but say today they stopped all the things we need to do to correct everthing, what would you do for trasportation no fuel, no electric no gas ,no pumps to give us water back to planting cros with spades it goes on.
Next we will have Sting and other celebrities telling us all how to live ffs. Why don't they run and get elected
You have my support Chris, Will be watching your programme tonight.. 👍👍
Indeed! I killed 20 cats, 30 dogs and burned 4 cars here, I'm super happy that I've reduced the CO2 by a little bit, I'm planning on killing myself. I hope more people will consider that.
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Empty head.
Fingers crossed he does. We won't have to see him on TV for a while.
Thank you Chris I fully support you. What an ignorant bloke Richard Madeley
Richard is embarrassing.
I agree with Chris and feel all the signing petitions, demonstrating, has achieved very little. I agree with the Swedish guy that we need to talk to the 1% who have the money power to get things done. Our media is useless and totally manipulated by Murdoch.
Andreas Malm is excellent!
The 1% couldn't care less what you say.
Go to work!
@@alfsmith4936 Go to work?! I have not stopped working all my life, I am now 76 and still working which is probably more than you do. If you cannot give a decent answer then please desist from answering at all.
I think the Bladerunners are doing a better job at ethically breaking a tyrannical law!
So speaks the voice of our self-appointed moral guardians - how lucky are we eh ? The 1 per cent with the money and power - eg most bourgeoisie activist ring leaders - want to reduce our standard of living and they hate the West, hence why they are strangely silent about China. Thing is, they need a good moral excuse for doing so. Labour blame 'the Tories' or 'big corporate' and the Tories blame 'immigration', but they're both the same class. We're not that thick I'm afraid. It's the blame game, the best game in the world. Thing you have to understand is that you can shout and scream but in a democracy you have to convince the public to support you, you know with the plausibility of your arguments. Applying moral pressure, propaganda and a bit of performance art doesn't really cut it. If you step outside the democratic process that makes you nothing more than terrorists really and I suspect the reason the authorities go soft on climate activists, unlike other forms of domestic extremists, is because, really, they want you to carry on doing what you're doing.
Laurence fox just been arrested for doing the same so where does the law sit ?
I love Chris Packham. He's a very measured, kind & decent man & this is his area of expertise. The gov always backpedal on important issues & it's disgusting.
Cant stand a fascist
Your net zero boll0cks is going to ruin this country.
Seems strange to me what ever side of the debate you sit on that Chris uses a clearly unwell young lady on the gantry on the M25 as a tool to hit his opponents with 👍
The young woman who had tiktok videos of her driving around in her posh car remember .
Keep doing what your doing Chris ❤❤❤
Makes a change they get an educated guest that can explain their opinion in coherent sentences. Long may it continue.
they need someone the polar opposite from richard ;)
Richard gets unrealistically imo het up about it qhile Chris is calm and measured. But he's the one effectively campaigning for change. Richard is a commercial questioner.
Packham is unrealistic in his climate hysteria saying billions will die.
the premise is deeply wrong for the kick off however
Packham is paid to talk shit
those hosts make me ill. especially at the very end where Chris mentions a young woman terrified for her future, not wanting to bring children into this hellscape. WAKE UP. dont those hosts have kids??
Exactly how i feel too
Excellent measured comments from Chris.
Truly fantastic. Chris Packham is a legend. Gmtv attack attack attack and he responded every time calmly and to the point. Best interviewee i have ever witnessed. Thanks Chris for all you do. We are all part of the oroblem, but also the solution. It is in our power to change.
Some of us have more responsibility than others, because some have more money and influence, but are not shouldering the responsibility for their actions. And their interests are manifold as long as they draw money.
Well done Chris
Chris is a hero, many years ago I was a member of the ELF . It's banned now of course
If anyone he is calling for violence then he needs to be locked up.. 10kmpwople were washed away because the dams weren’t maintained or fit for purpose..
We are sleepwalking to oblivion. Chris Packham, David Attenborough and Antonio Guterres (UN Secretary General), have all sounded the alarm. The imperative is for us to act and ACT NOW.
If the UK was to sink into the sea, the impact on the environment would be minimal compared to where the majority of the world's population live, Asia and Latin America where there is an immense amount of poverty and they are more concerned with surviving day to day than climate change.
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Can i break the law to promote more co2 and stop net zero
Fantastic job Chris!
The doc was really balanced and well explained. I think I'm convinced.
lol. You're obviously a deep and nuanced being. One biased ;documentary' and you're all in.
Enjoy your police cell
Do the photography tours to the Falklands and Antarctic that he does for a handsome price involve no fossil fuels ?
Yes,we ahould break the law for activism. The world's more important than its petty little laws.
exactly
'The world' consists of a multi-polarity of competing global powers, namely the West against the emerging East. We in England could impose a pre-modern existence upon ourselves and it would only serve benefit our rivals while not making hardly any impact upon global Co2 emissions. These activists are a dangerous mob of useful idiots.
Lmao people not realising that advocating for law breaking is a crime itself
How about getting Paul Burgess from climate realism on, to hear the other side of the argument. ?
What argument?
@@Caws_a_Bara the one that says Packham is fearmongering. If Al Gore was right in early 2000' s we'd all be underwater now and no ice caps, so maybe not as scary as these people make out. After all, no warming in last 7+ years.
absolutely right Chris, we need to do more
The girl on the Highway, crying that she has no future, is more like a mental issue to me. I worked with depressed people like that. If one problem is fixed, an other wil be in their sights. Sad but true.
A lot of them are, and also ATTENTION SEEKING sado's.
Okay but if the protesters stay on the pavement they'd be just as loud, be positively impactful and actually be respected by the public. Blocking traffic kills people.
It is SO SHAMEFUL that she only read a description on Amazon.... I have Andreas Malm's book & am familiar with his ideas. .He is a Swedish academic / activist.
He puts forward the ideas that violence towards the property (which is in effect responsible for 'killing us') should become acceptable.
Especially now where civil resistance over an extended period is getting us nowhere & time for corrective policies is running short.
I would recommend anyone here read this or listen to any of his talks / podcasts.
Tories: [outlaws Protest]
Madeley: why don't you protest instead of breaking the law?
Chris literally could not have handled this interview any better, answers every question, doesn't lose composure, or get flustered despite the obvious agenda, and still makes his points crystal clear - absolute masterclass. Reminds me of Mick Lynch of the RMT when every reporter was baying for blood during the rail strikes.
In defense of the presenters: nice comparison with the suffragettes and ANC at the end ;-)
them people that got washed away was the fault of two courses who was told about the danger of the dams bursting
Get 'em Chris!
Na these people aren't crazy cultists that have to be stopped.
Well done Chris. Totally agree with you.
It was a very good documentary. I am British but spend a lot of time in Brazil. In my opinion it wont matter what we do in the UK or how much we care. In South America they don't know anything about what's going on and even less about their role in climate change. Compared to Brazil and Mexico our contribution to GHGs is minute compared to theirs. In South America they just don't care. If as the recommendations dictate the west helps them financially to change, firstly they have no desire to change and any money we give them will simply go into corrupt pockets. I care as much as Chris does but in reality, it's hopeless. Ask a South American to have one car per household or to stop eating meat. They will look at you as though you are crazy.
Look at recent Guardian article on Columbian President's views on climate change.
Governments officials fly around the world to meetings about biodiversity, and nothing is ever achieved apart from making the situation worse by flying hundreds of miles,
Keep up the great work Chris
the guy is completely off his trolley - can't even answer the basic question. It is all very well a few tadpoles having a better life in Somerset , but how does African crops grow without masses of new CO2
China emissions vs UK
Well done Chris for standing up against these 2
Bro is justifying terrorism and you say well done 😳😳
Standing up against two presenters who are asking legitimate questions. The guy is wanting to break the law to make his point. And you have a problem with Richard and Suzanna??
As soon as someone removes protesters from blocking roads ,JSO cries assault. So ok for brainwashed idiots but people who disagree with them no. Isn't he suggesting Marxism?
Given that GB only emits 1% of the world's CO2 the protests are meaningless as removing the 1% will not make one iota of difference especially India and China are increasing output significantly!
Go back to your bible of ignorance. The science is real. Like it or not.
The question is should the ordinary people who cannot afford this unproven and expensive folly, also break the law to stop the loonies upsetting their lives.
meanwhile US fossil fuel industry is finishing off building a pipeline across Africa for natural gas to the west
Yep, like Packham most of these people have never had a real job or struggled in their lives (or can't remember it!) and have little to No empathy or consideration for real working people!
How are the low paid to get to work if they can't even afford an unreliable, very un-eco friendly produced EV??
What about heating their Homes if they are forced to replace their boiler, but can't afford it and the health consequences of that?
All whilst these measures make a meniscal difference globally, However affluent fanatics like Packham and his like will be absolutely fine!!!!
So Let the REAL people decide, have a referendum on net zero and ending oil products!
Chris has a a big log burner in his home 😂😂😂😂
Chris is being reasonable, mature and pragmatic. The two 'idealogues' sitting next to him are just running the same old program and not really listening, or furthering the debate. The sooner that mainstream media gets blown up the better (er... metaphorically speaking!)
Chris Packham went to say “have their virtues heard” then corrected himself and said voices instead - you got it right the first time Chris.
Good morning from Italy, the best talk show ever
lets start by refusing to pay the companies who pump raw sewage into our rivers, which isnt actually unlawful because they themselves are breaking the law, but i bet Chris will never ever suggest that
So let me get this straight;
We have to break the law to stop the climate changing?
What exactly is being proposed we do?
To stop the climate from changing?
And what exactly is changing that we need to take such dramatic action for?
Genuine questions.
we would do anything to protect or family. is it time to do the same to protect our planet. peaceful campaign has had it's day, we need change now.
We need to consider that traffic blocking is now happening in 14+ other countries around the world.
This is for the oldies >> He sits there strutting himself just like Musellini.
Worried about climate change?
So what is the solution?
Do something that will cause environmental damage?
Imagine the level of narcissism it takes to think you're going to "save the planet."
Thank you buildthewallwiththewoke with your invalid opinion!
@@jaspercoggins3590 Lol, are you one of the narcissists? Is the world going to end in five years unless everyone supports what you support?
This may sound a long shot, Chris start a political party now
Stand for parliament!
I’ll switch my Labour Party membership to you, A party with proper membership, the Greens can’t do it on their own, we need an alliance with you at the helm.
Imagine if Chris Packham was Pm then we would get somewhere 🙏
HA HA HA HA HA F-CK NO
Truth is the ecowarriers are not curtailed those who oppose them are - CP not speaking up for them I see
Thats the end of his career.
So just to be sure if someone on the political right went on Tv condoning breaking the law.. how would that go down????
After making a program like that, it is evident that the Sedition Law should be re-instated and Packham should be charged ASAP.
Domestic Terrorist on GMB. Fixed it for you.
Great man
Good that you gave Chris more respect than you do the protestors who have been putting their freedom on the line for years over this. Shows how bigoted the media is that it takes an insider making the case for them to have a reasonable debate around the issue.
Richard Madeley is such a helmet
Taking a leaf out of Norway 🇳🇴 and USA 🇺🇸 NORDSTREAM KABOOM 💣 🔥
Gotta get'n on all that NGO mutcha flying about aye Chris?
Renewables are not viable - as well as the expense nb the EV fires and photovoltaic house fires (oh and that goes for smart meters too). Being first won't make us best the tech is far too weak. Seen the articles showing how wind farms are powered by diesel - CP is pretty ill informed. Historically warmer weather has seen populations thrive and the reverse is true for lower temps. Ask him about the ethics of children in underdeveloped countries making his renewables and what they suffer or is that just too difficult?
CP is an egotist and engulfed by the narrative - where is the opposing view and an actual debate on the science.
This is ignorant interviewing.
Just for a change...
I try to have hope for the future, but the power and influence of the fossil fuel industry is insane.
Yes.
Interviewers completely missing the point insisting on how can he endorse breaking the law, When the the issue is not that, but that we've reached this point in which that appears like the only possible solution to the state we live in. If only proper actions had been taken and were being taken to look for some kind of solution to climate change, but instead companies and governments continue overall ona. very "business as usual" mentality, and basing any kind of changes not on what is actually needed but on what will be less disruptive to business and the economy. Newflash, the eocnomy is worth fuck all if we keep fucking the environment up.
Can you please explain to me how 2 extra molecules of CO2 per million in the Earth's atmosphere has been measured and why it has been identified as the 'only' cause of higher global temperatures (as measured where and by whom)?
Incitement to violence and criminality, which could result in huge loss of human life. Totally irresponsible interview, abuse of power and influence, which should never have been allowed by C4, nor by Ofcom.
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As usual the interviewer are not letting Chris finish a sentence! You Go Chris, I watched the programme and it was brilliant.
Climate change activists are fighting a losing battle and here's why. I've never ever heard it mentioned that the worlds population has absolutely exploded just within just the last 100 years. In 1925 the global population was just 2 billion, it has now reached 8 billion. Which if a chart was overlaid on a carbon emissions chart, they match perfectly. Big question, what will the total population be by 2050... 10 - 12 billion?
The masses use the technology they are given. Or should I say loaned for financial gain that maintains the status quo.
Well, those 12 billion people would emit a lot less carbon if they weren't burning coal. The good news is that if climate change continues we won't be getting 12 billion people any time soon.
I hope he does go to prison. Best place for him.
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Please break the law Chris, go to jail so we don’t have to listen to your utter nonsense about the imaginary climate change, ps it’s literally pissed down all summer!
Is Richard OK he sounds on the brink of tears
Nice comparison with the suffragettes and ANC at the ending!
Arrest him for inciting violence
Why does ITV keep blurring the clips used in their TH-cam videos? No other TV channel does it.
To save money on copyright.
Keep mentioning it in their videos GMB obviously take feedback seriously as they got rid of that intro, where the sound levels were high
"We all break the law". Speak for yourself Chris. I'm not likely to blow something up for the sake of green policies, which we can't afford or are practical just now. Wake up to reality.
If someone can tell me what difference us going net zero will achieve I'd love to hear it. We enpoverish ourselves with no tangible benefits. Look at the facts.
Financial benefits for one. Cost of solar and batteries have dropped around 90% just over the past decade. Yet new fossil fuel infrastructure is still being built due to govt subsidies, wasting taxpayer dollars for old technology that by the way causes 1 in 5 deaths worldwide.
@@youtubewatcher1555 solar and wind gets high subsidiaries too. There is no means to store even 1% of the energy we need, so we need backup running for when the wind doesn't blow. Where does that come from? The figures given for output from solar and wind assume max output continuously. This is fanciful. Then the number of houses supplied by the green energy is only for current electricity consumption. Once oil and gas go there's an 80% deficit. So in fact the quoted numbers should be slashed by 80% to be honest and truthful. Crazy thinking and at the end of the day what we do makes no difference, as long as China, Russia, India, USA etc carry on as they are. You don't seriously think any of the aforementioned will change policy because we've bankrupted ourselves.
@@hayzeebloke Wind and solar get subsidies because they have health and climate benefits compared to fossil fuels that are not accounted for by the market. Sure, subsidies for fossil fuels may have been needed to help keep energy affordable 50 years ago when there were no real alternatives, but that is no longer the case for new infrastructure when considering the LCOE. As for materials needed for renewable energy and batteries, the world is a supply and demand economy: activists don't advocate for an immediate halt to current fossil fuel use, but for future infrastructure and phasing down existing fossil. There are social and environmental concerns with certain methods of mineral mining for sure, which activists at the same time are fighting for, but ultimately the market would respond to the demand for renewables. A study "Future demand for electricity generation materials under different climate mitigation scenarios" published this year writes: "power generation infrastructure demand for materials and related carbon-dioxide-equivalent (CO2eq) emissions from 2020 to 2050 across 75 different climate-energy scenarios and explore the impact of climate and technology choices upon material demand and carbon emitted. Material demands increase but cumulatively do not exceed geological reserves."
@@hayzeebloke I don't know where you get the figures from that assume max output continuously - I agree those would not make sense. If you want to look at more accurate estimates, for example NREL PVWatts has a website where you can estimate solar PV generation for a given zip code over a period of time. In many cases they make sense - I have rooftop solar from panels from 10 years covering only a third of the roof, and it still supplies enough energy to offset our usage.
@@youtubewatcher1555 that's not taking into account the back up generators.
None of these demonstrators commit violence. Madely is a drama queen.
Sadly it is difficult to predict climate ...or even weather even with the best of models. Protect the environment as best we can but let us not get too certain about what will happen in 50 years time....so much of our prediction over such long periods has not come to pass in many areas .
In our political and economic system I fail to understand how protesting FOR the end of oil and coal will change anything. The present economic system has only one object which is to continue to make more money. The population is fully aware of the threats to our way of life by the rapidly changing planetary environment. Any disruption to what is already a fragile way of life will not be accepted by the public UNLESS there is a push for a functional alternative to fossil fuels. The remedy must, in my opinion based upon the rules of problem solving rules, is for the UK government putting this on a war footing and pouring money into alternative energy sources which are already being slowly developed successfully. If we go into international debt in order to do this so be it. If we were being attacked by another country we would surely pull out the stops immediately, not in 2035. A coalition of sensible people would surely demand of all political parties the requirement to invest in the future of our children, and in my case, my grandchildren. So much of this is the rapaciousness of the Financial sector to the detriment of us all on many aspects of our way of life. It all boils down to the catch phrase "It's the economy stupid".
The Barr to success for the real change in approach to climate is it's opposition to economic growth. It's seen as a win-lose situation, which out current global economy is based upon. However, the global economic model was based on win-win. If we can get back to win-win, there will be little opposition to normalisation of climate reduction technology wholesale.
@@crazywiener11 it's honestly very reassuring to hear older people who care about this stuff, every older person in my life seems to think it's fine to sit idly by and watch the world burn.
I would like to see oil exploration outside Packhams house
Yeah you’ll all be crying when they stop fossil fuels and you won’t be able to heat your homes in winter and struggle to get enough food. That’s what will happen if we stop fossil fuels.
Yep he needs to be in prison.