Incredibly well presented. Very good balance of nuanced information without being overly simplistic all while remaining neutral on the topic and not making bold claims. Looking forward to seeing more like this :)
The French also helped in the arabization process by making it the State language in Morocco. In fact, Tamazight was spoken by around 80% of the population, whereas, after the withdrawal of the French from Morocco, it had been reduced to around 60%
This is probably true when it comes to the modern institutions of the State (e.g., compulsary education) .But the Moroccan State has a long history and must have had a State language before that. It's impossible it was Amazigh in any way, shape or form since it is not a unified language (1) and most importantly none of the variations can serve as a literary language since they aren't written. The linguistic issue in Morocco has mostly served the interests of the ruling class after independance since Arabic is the official language in schools, including for the native Amazigh speakers. Yet when entering universities, everyone is supposed to know French. Everyone was (is?) confused, hence all the powerful positions remain in the hands of the few. Great strategy for the ruling class but questionable choice for the people.
@@nofridaynightplans I agree with you. The language policy of Arabic and French mainly hurts Tamazight speakers. However, there were attempts to unify the language in the middle ages, but they largely failed, mainly due to the collapse of the Amazigh dynasties that were pushing them.
As a Vietnamese guy whose dating an Algerian woman, I always give the analogy to curious MENA people that *Chinese vs. Vietnamese* are just like *Arabs vs. Berbers* or *Romans vs. Celts.* One group conquered and influenced the other, but never fully "assimilated" them; as the latter still have their local "native" languages and customs.
You completely skip the history of fierce resistance. Am not familiar with the Chinese vs. Vietnamese history, but I doubt it can be compared to the other two: Romans vs. Celts/Celto-Germans, Germans laid the cornerstone for European supremacy because in the end Rome was sacked by the “Barbarians“. The Arabic conquering tactics (military invasion but as well treaties - Byzantine Egypt had not yet recovered from another Sassanian attack and Christian Nubia (Nobatia) were never conquered but the Arab armies were fiercely defeated & a treaty was required. Therefore, numerous events gradually weakened the power structure of the entire continent in the end. Despite Islam being widespread in Asia, the continent is not under Arabic domination.
I'm a light skin native berber indigenous from the southern of Morocco far from the anti atlas mountains by 200 klm but we can stell look at the beginning of the anti atlas mountains series from a far and is snowy from the very far distance my native berber tribe with other over 50 native berbers tribes all of them speak Tamazight language from the extent of 20 klm and most of the families of this tribes every married couple got over 5 kids to 8 kids the maximum and the anti atlas mountains there's over than 3300k berbers native tribes
firstly I would say that a large part of what you say is false, there were several tribes of Arab origin in North Africa including Sanhaja, in addition even among the "Berbers" we can distinguish several origins, Herodotus counted four large populations in North Africa at his time; The Greeks, the (Black) Ethiopians, the Libyans and the Phoenicians, I remind you that the Romans considered the "Black Gaetulians" as the true indigenous people of the region, furthermore the study of DNA shows us that there has two majority strains "E78" which dates between 9500 and 12000 years and "E81" which dates between 2500 and 3000 years which corresponds exactly with the arrival of the Phoenicians whose language was Semitic, even Saint Augustine said that where he was going preached he needed an interpreter from Latin to the Punic that the populations spoke, which explains the ease with which Arabic spread, therefore the summary that you make which is taken from the Pseudo French Historians who through their work wanted no more divide and conquer
So… you’re an Algerian Berber but you don’t identify with it? 🤔 That’s interesting… so, you identify solely as your religion? So…in essence, your actual heritage means nothing to you? You only care about the religion that was forced upon your descendants many centuries ago? Ok. ✌🏽 Also… religion wasn’t the entire focus of this video, or even the subject of the discussion. You’re an Algerian Berber, you say. That’s your ethnicity and nationality. A totally different subject than your religion, Islam, of which practitioners are called Muslims, and which was forced upon ancient Berbers centuries ago.
As an amazigh i'd like to confess that we're really good at learning other languages like in morocco speaking 5 or 4 languages is normal and we can easily adapt with foreigns but unfortunately we lack to be proud of our origins. We always protect ourselves and fight invaders but in the bottom of our hearts we admire the foreigns who conquered them and then we slowly turn to those invaders by time and for exemple the arabisation that you talked about and i wish that will change in the future and to recognize ourselves as a nation and not clinging to other nations like romans or arabs or the french
This is very easy to observe from an Ethiopian perspective. But honestly, where in Africa are any groups as proud as Horners?! We are clearly not common Africans, as offensive as that sounds, it is so true. We have a Puntite lineage to be proud of, a warrior tradition, and not even coastal Egypt/Sudan Cushitic groups could EVER be conquered by Arab$ - when their fat asses only discovered the Red Sea not so long ago (they are not indigenous to Arabia & came from Syrian Desert). I have even seen Arab$ telling other people that we are "partly related to them" lmao in their inbred dreams.
Gtfoh with miss information....you Ethiopians are like morrocans like op said.youd be quick to grasp at any Arab lineages than any pure africanes.hell if I called you African you'd feel insulted😂😂that's how low esteem u got.@@mmgxo
@@mmgxo Ok, I love your Ancient African pride cause I share it even as an African American, but what in the world is a common African? People of African blood should stick together and support each other so to divide us (as many Ethiopians have been accused of by other Africans) does not help our cause to stand up to conquerors of every nation. Love and peace to you my honourable sister.
@mmgxo no Arabs want you to be related to them , your Ethiopia became to be known thanks to yemenite arabic people who invaded your lands 1000 BC , introduced you to their languages, their writings , and founded Axum , among other things ,... as a matter of fact there are still many tribes in Ethiopia running half-naked, you only need google to see that .
You find they aren't well preserved? I find the opposite (at least in Morocco, the only Maghreb country I know extremely well. The other being Tunisia, but never met any Amazigh language speaker there). From Bin el Ouidane to Sidi Kaouki, Imlil to Tafraoute, Aourir to Tata, you'll mostly hear Tachelhit. I don't even mention the Rif Mountains (different language there but still). The thing with Amazigh is that it is not only one language. There are many variations within that language family, which means that anyone from Ouirgane in Al Haouz will always resort to darija when visiting the Rif. That's why the linguistic issue in the Maghreb is a real headache. As for the Modern Standard Tamazight now taught in Moroccan schools, I must say I'm not convinced. This is an artificial language that has nothing in common with what people speak at home. I find it quite odd to be honest. Thank you for your comment! P.S.: to preserve languages, passion is a good start :)
@@nofridaynightplans no it isn't well preserved not in Morocco or any north African country tamazight isn't even thought in schools and was only considered an official language till 2011 and the government faced a lot of critiques from pan arabist and islamist constitutions and it still is to this day you can't even name your children amazigh name but rather Arabic name where the hell is freedom and acceptance of cultures??? , arabization really hurt the roots of north Africa and I say that as a Moroccan
@@samisayekh2001 Arrubization is THE enemy, that is what I keep trying to explain to the (abundantly dense to put it politely) North Africans online. There was even a woman named "Amazigh Lionness" who legit said that Islam saved North Africa from paganism, so it was "worth it" to be conquered. Yes the same conquering that involved beheading their Berber queen and displaying her in Syria for all to see. The not so bright woman then disappeared once I reminded her that Indonesia didn't need Arrubization to adopt Islam. Go figure.
About 40% of Persian literature is Arabic words ,,, and the Turkish language is a mixture of Persian, Arabic, and French ,,, and the French language is a product of Gallo-Romance dialects , while English is a product of Old English, Danish, Norse, and French, and has been changed by Latin, Greek, Arabic , Chinese, Hindi, Japanese, Dutch and Spanish, along with some words from other languages .
Ok…? 🤔 Most languages are influenced by other languages. That’s just common sense and it’s something that’s going to happen naturally. Even Tamil and Korean have many similar words… due to supposed ancient history, with an Indian princess marrying a Korean ruler, or something. But if you look at international borders, regional accents of different languages, and different cultural traditions, they flow and influence one another, and change gradually as one travels. For example, if you traveled west from Japan all the way to the Iberian Peninsula, you’d see influence and interchange between borders. Or if you went from India north through Siberia, look at all the regions and how they flow into each other. Japan flows into China, Korea, and East Asia, and vice versa. China flows into the Central and West Asian cultures, which are also influenced by Russians to the north and Persians and Arabs to the south, and Turkic peoples, too. The Middle East and Levant flows into Anatolia, which flows into the Balkans, which flows into the Adriatic, which flows into Italy, which flows into the south of France, which flows into Spain and Portugal. You could literally look at hundreds of scenarios like this. So yeah, languages are always influenced by their neighbors or "colleagues".
firstly I would say that a large part of what you say is false, there were several tribes of Arab origin in North Africa including Sanhaja, in addition even among the "Berbers" we can distinguish several origins, Herodotus counted four large populations in North Africa at his time; The Greeks, the (Black) Ethiopians, the Libyans and the Phoenicians, I remind you that the Romans considered the "Black Gaetulians" as the true indigenous people of the region, furthermore the study of DNA shows us that there has two majority strains "E78" which dates between 9500 and 12000 years and "E81" which dates between 2500 and 3000 years which corresponds exactly with the arrival of the Phoenicians whose language was Semitic, even Saint Augustine said that where he was going preached he needed an interpreter from Latin to the Punic that the populations spoke, which explains the ease with which Arabic spread, therefore the summary that you make which is taken from the Pseudo French Historians who through their work wanted no more divide and conquer
Arabised? Lmfao are you serious. Call it colonization, just as you would if any other group had done it. The Berbers have forgotten their own language and now pray to another people's god. They were colonized. Call it what it is.
The Berbers were conquered, then willingly accepted the truth of Islam, then they rebelled against their conquerors, then they themselves became conquerors taking over places like Iberia and West Africa. There is only one God and he is everyone's God, just that some are too arrogant to believe. And as someone who actually lives in North Africa, I can assure you that they did not forget their language 💪🇲🇦
I think colonization refers to like exploiting the resources and not becoming natives(?) of that land? For example the Europeans colonized USA even when it had racially European people. Replacing almost the entire population by Arab is Arabization. It's like Christians colonized the Nordic countries while infact it was actually Christianized. I am being respectful and I expect civilized discussions regarding this.
@@Ani-13-w8d Arabisation happened when Arab language and culture was spread in North Africa, the native population was absolutely not replaced by Arabs because it was impossible even if Arabs wanted to and because Berbers are still the majority of people until this day.
@@ahmedsalek976 It still doesnt make it colonization tho I dunno what point you wanted to make. It's the same with other cultural process too like the Turkification of Central Asia. The culture is deeply Arabized and Islamized too though some ofthe countries are majority. Also this is an excerpt from Wikipidea: Ethnically, Berbers comprise a minority population in the Maghreb. Berbers comprise 15% to 25% the population of Algeria, 10% of Libya, 31%to 35% of Morocco, and 1%of Tunisia. Berber language speakers in the Maghreb comprise 30% to 40%[better source needed] of the Moroccan population, and 15%to 35%[better source needed] of the Algerian population. The sources are given in the original page and they are nowhere near majority which is kinda sad. You can check the references here : en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berbers#Contemporary_demographics
@@nofridaynightplansI speak Arabic and lived in Morocco, casablanca and Tanger, for a couple of years; and I do think that you yourself are of Moroccan descent. It's all there 😊
firstly I would say that a large part of what you say is false, there were several tribes of Arab origin in North Africa including Sanhaja, in addition even among the "Berbers" we can distinguish several origins, Herodotus counted four large populations in North Africa at his time; The Greeks, the (Black) Ethiopians, the Libyans and the Phoenicians, I remind you that the Romans considered the "Black Gaetulians" as the true indigenous people of the region, furthermore the study of DNA shows us that there has two majority strains "E78" which dates between 9500 and 12000 years and "E81" which dates between 2500 and 3000 years which corresponds exactly with the arrival of the Phoenicians whose language was Semitic, even Saint Augustine said that where he was going preached he needed an interpreter from Latin to the Punic that the populations spoke, which explains the ease with which Arabic spread, therefore the summary that you make which is taken from the Pseudo French Historians who through their work wanted no more divide and conquer
Your problem is that Pakistanis are fanatical followers of an Arab cult of an Arab man. One that freezes you in the customs and mores of the 7th century. You have the eternal and unalterable word of Allah and you have a "perfect" man to slavishly follow and emulate. You are forced to believe that on pain of an unpleasant and painful end. That sucks. You are the slave of a harsh master, not a loving father and your perfect messenger was s€× obsessed pdf.file who married a 6 year old baby, the wife of his adopted son. A warrior who, with his own hands or sword, unalived countless people. A man who had no qualms to make and trade slaves. The list of his imperfections and immorality is very long. Be better than that.
firstly I would say that a large part of what you say is false, there were several tribes of Arab origin in North Africa including Sanhaja, in addition even among the "Berbers" we can distinguish several origins, Herodotus counted four large populations in North Africa at his time; The Greeks, the (Black) Ethiopians, the Libyans and the Phoenicians, I remind you that the Romans considered the "Black Gaetulians" as the true indigenous people of the region, furthermore the study of DNA shows us that there has two majority strains "E78" which dates between 9500 and 12000 years and "E81" which dates between 2500 and 3000 years which corresponds exactly with the arrival of the Phoenicians whose language was Semitic, even Saint Augustine said that where he was going preached he needed an interpreter from Latin to the Punic that the populations spoke, which explains the ease with which Arabic spread, therefore the summary that you make which is taken from the Pseudo French Historians who through their work wanted no more divide and conquer
Just Study amazigh languages and Use them again ... Hebrew was extinct for many centuries and it's now spoken by millions of natives . Viva imazighen .
Why don't you revive etruscan, Aequian or somesort instead of fabricating artifical language and state inside arabs homeland. Are we free experimenting subjects to you ?
@@SarahHaddid the difference between those langauge and amazighs is that a huge fraction of north africans in Morocco and Algeria still speak it as a first languages
Palestine is not the home land of the Jewish people -- its the land of Canaanites ( the Roman called it Palestine ) thankfully the discovery of 4500 year old Canaanites graves have been genetically studied it turned out that they are genetically closer to Arabs including Palestinians by contrast most Jews are genetically related to non Semitic population such as Europeans especially Italians and Kurds and Persian and Turks ( a small minority of Mideast Jews are genetically related to Canaanites and Arabs ) most of the world Jews are Ashkenazi Jews they are mostly Europeans who either converted or migrated to Europe from Anatolian and mixed with European women thus the strong links with Italians , the Levant which includes Palestine witnessed through its history migration from Anatolia and Persia into the Levant due to instability in Anatolia , modern examples are the Maronite Christians who migrated to Lebanon and Syria fleeing the Byzantines prosecution in Anatolia or the Druze both immigrated from Anatolia to the Levant , and finally the Kurds in Syria who migrated to Syria fleeing Ataturk regime and fled from Iran to Syria fleeing the Shah regime in addition to economic Kurdish migrants in farms in Syria , in short the vast majority of Jews in Israel are certainly not native to Palestine if they were they would have strong genetic links to the native Canaanites yet they have strong links to non Semitic groups .
Arabs were in Morocco centuries before the English took over England. Note that more Amazigh people speak the Amazigh language than Scots people speak Gaelic. And Amazigh and Arabs went into Andalus together, creating that civilisational acheivement that helped pull Europe out of the Dark Ages together, with of course the indigenous people of Andalus. Much of what is being suggested about "The Arabs" in this video could be applied to the English. Yet the UK and the USA have both been multi cultural societies from the outset, and are stronger for it, despite much denial and many nationalist myths. I find North Africans very aware of their multi ethnic roots and diverse culture and of the diversity that has been an essential part of their history. They are aware that if you try to separate the threads, the fabric falls apart. IMO we could all learn from this. I live in a Moroccan city and my family, neighbours and personal freinds here are from a very diverse ethnic backgrounds, but together they are all Moroccan. Despite all these issues, as described, mainly with ruling elites irrespective of ethnicity - a layered identity that acknowledges rich cultural diversity, very much enriches people here and actually reinforces their identity by giving them much to be proud of collectively.
This is ziofunded, ethnic cleansing campaign targeted toward ethnic Arabs in north africa. They want to erase Arab ldentity over a suppose "ldentity revival" like they are doing in palestina.
As a Libyan🇱🇾 By the grace of Allah, and through the efforts and sacrifices of the early Muslims, the light of Islam reached our land, the true religion. We were in darkness and ignorance of idolatry, polytheism, and the worship of man, the sun, the moon, and idols. Praise be to Allah Almighty, the One True God, for the blessing of worshiping the Creator of the heavens and the earth. Praise be to Allah for the blessing of Islam and the guidance brought by the Islamic conquests. I am proud and deeply grateful that Islam entered Libya. I owe an immense debt to the Muslims who came, taught us Islam, spread the Quran, and conveyed the message of all the prophets, including Noah, Jesus, Moses, and Abraham, while also introducing us to the magnificent Arabic language. Alhamdulillah.🤍
Very sad, I am Algerian and Islam was forced on us. We had our own language, our own religion and our own ways. Now that I've left Islam and If I ever went back, I would be killed for leaving Islam. Sad that I will never be able to go home again.
Who has been killed for leaving Islam recently ? I know people from the Eglise protestante d Algérie who are apostate of islam. Their churches are closed, they can be imprisoned but I never hear of anyone having been killed.
I'm an American who learned Darija as a Peace Corps Volunteer based in Meknes in the late 1990s. I consider myself near fluent. Question: I was shocked to realize when watching a documentaries of Palestinian Bedouins that their language is almost identical to Moroccan Arabic. I don't know if they say "Labess" as a greeting, but the tone, the vocabulary, the accent appeared near identical to me. Am I hallucinating?!? Ha ha. Wonderful video, btw. La3tik saha!
I'm from Tunisia , I did DNA test last year and these are my results : 51% North Africa 22% Italian 14% Iberian 8% Ashkenazi Jews 3% Scandinavian 2% Balkan
As a Moroccan Oujdi from a mix arab amazigh descent I find your video very informative and precise. I want to add that "Arab" is an ethnolinguistic identity, just like being jew is an ethno religious identity. Which means that arabs since the beginning were ethnically diverse and binded by language. That's why, historicaly we find many categories for arabs, either Geographicaly or socially like qedarites arabs (north semitic Arabs) and qahtani arabs (Afro-Asiatic people) While both groups identify as arabs. So, yeah in a sense, Moroccans were arabized both culturally and linguistically so it's quite normal for many to identify as arabs and that shouldn't be considered wrong likewise identifying as pure amazigh. Fun fact, we talk about berber arabization but many don't know about arab amazighation. Many arab tribes in my area (migrated in the late XVIII century) have fully assimilated into amazigh culture and many think they are berber tribes while "ethnically" they are arabs. So in Morocco we had this weird exchange 😅
This is the best observation I've seen in these comments so far. Very accurate and open-minded. When you said some of the Arabs were actually drawn into the indigenous culture and today think they're Berbers or Moors.. I knew you knew what this videos isn't saying.
firstly I would say that a large part of what you say is false, there were several tribes of Arab origin in North Africa including Sanhaja, in addition even among the "Berbers" we can distinguish several origins, Herodotus counted four large populations in North Africa at his time; The Greeks, the (Black) Ethiopians, the Libyans and the Phoenicians, I remind you that the Romans considered the "Black Gaetulians" as the true indigenous people of the region, furthermore the study of DNA shows us that there has two majority strains "E78" which dates between 9500 and 12000 years and "E81" which dates between 2500 and 3000 years which corresponds exactly with the arrival of the Phoenicians whose language was Semitic, even Saint Augustine said that where he was going preached he needed an interpreter from Latin to the Punic that the populations spoke, which explains the ease with which Arabic spread, therefore the summary that you make which is taken from the Pseudo French Historians who through their work wanted no more divide and conquer
This channel is exsclusively about languages. I don't discuss ethnicities. It's clearly stated on the first image of the video: arabised = Arabic became the main language in the region. The question that interests me is: why have some people abandoned their languages while others have not? It's unfortunate few people actually pay attention to what is being said. Who knows people's ethnicity anyway? North Africans are bound to be among the most ethnically diverse individuals on the planet...
All three are problem but Arab is worse because it continues to try to replace our language and French/ English doesn't do that...hope this helps your neurons to spark
@@DADA_._ No Arab is forcing you to be an Arab speaker. Maybe the reason why many Amazigh are becoming Arabized is because they move to Arab dominated cities, speak in Arabic and sometimes marry an Arab too. There is no problem in this and also keep in mind Morocco and other north African countries have communities where Amazigh and their culture still lives on. It wasn’t like they forced the Amazigh to abandon their culture.
7:40 awesome drawing… I have to wonder what that life was like. From what I've read Bedouin Christians are near extinction. The sights the sounds the richness must have been something to behold.
Thanks for remember it firstly I would say that a large part of what you say is false, there were several tribes of Arab origin in North Africa including Sanhaja, in addition even among the "Berbers" we can distinguish several origins, Herodotus counted four large populations in North Africa at his time; The Greeks, the (Black) Ethiopians, the Libyans and the Phoenicians, I remind you that the Romans considered the "Black Gaetulians" as the true indigenous people of the region, furthermore the study of DNA shows us that there has two majority strains "E78" which dates between 9500 and 12000 years and "E81" which dates between 2500 and 3000 years which corresponds exactly with the arrival of the Phoenicians whose language was Semitic, even Saint Augustine said that where he was going preached he needed an interpreter from Latin to the Punic that the populations spoke, which explains the ease with which Arabic spread, therefore the summary that you make which is taken from the Pseudo French Historians who through their work wanted no more divide and conquer
Excellent talk, I don't know if you're familiar with Frank Herbert's DUNE but I was told that Fremen is a direct translation of Freeman in one of the Berber languages. How true would you say this is?
That's an interesting question. Unfortunately, I cannot answer. I don't know any of the Amazigh variations :) However, there are many speakers in the comments. Maybe try your luck with one of them?
I noticed some kind of similarities with english, but who knows, like imagine in Arabic " Earth " is "ard" same as english, and earth isn't a borrowed word from Arabic as Giraffe or alcohol or else but it's an old english and germanic word, and same for Arabic "Ard" is an old word.
firstly I would say that a large part of what you say is false, there were several tribes of Arab origin in North Africa including Sanhaja, in addition even among the "Berbers" we can distinguish several origins, Herodotus counted four large populations in North Africa at his time; The Greeks, the (Black) Ethiopians, the Libyans and the Phoenicians, I remind you that the Romans considered the "Black Gaetulians" as the true indigenous people of the region, furthermore the study of DNA shows us that there has two majority strains "E78" which dates between 9500 and 12000 years and "E81" which dates between 2500 and 3000 years which corresponds exactly with the arrival of the Phoenicians whose language was Semitic, even Saint Augustine said that where he was going preached he needed an interpreter from Latin to the Punic that the populations spoke, which explains the ease with which Arabic spread, therefore the summary that you make which is taken from the Pseudo French Historians who through their work wanted no more divide and conquer
Prophet Muhammad ﷺ said:"All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a White has no superiority over a Black nor a Black has any superiority over a White except by piety and good deeds.”✨
The most logical reason is religion, amazigh chose to be Muslims and speaking Arabic is essential because Coran is written in Arabic and also prayers are in Arabic.
Yes, but many countries are muslim and have arabic as a second language, no need to abandon it. If it were like that then why did God create THEIR language? I don't think it's a valid reason, but you might be right.
firstly I would say that a large part of what you say is false, there were several tribes of Arab origin in North Africa including Sanhaja, in addition even among the "Berbers" we can distinguish several origins, Herodotus counted four large populations in North Africa at his time; The Greeks, the (Black) Ethiopians, the Libyans and the Phoenicians, I remind you that the Romans considered the "Black Gaetulians" as the true indigenous people of the region, furthermore the study of DNA shows us that there has two majority strains "E78" which dates between 9500 and 12000 years and "E81" which dates between 2500 and 3000 years which corresponds exactly with the arrival of the Phoenicians whose language was Semitic, even Saint Augustine said that where he was going preached he needed an interpreter from Latin to the Punic that the populations spoke, which explains the ease with which Arabic spread, therefore the summary that you make which is taken from the Pseudo French Historians who through their work wanted no more divide and conquer
@@lebladfulSanjaha are not of West Asian origin. There have been scattered pre-Islamic micro migrations from Western Asia to North Africa but archeological finds have proven the indigenous presence of Sanhaja dates back to the Neolithics. Matter of fact, Sahraouis are specifically of Sanhaja ancestry. I also carry some Asian dna, but that doesn’t mean I‘m of Asian origin.
„Chose to be Muslim“. Then explain the Kharijite revolt which defeated the Umayyad rule. Explain how & whySālih ibn Tarīf formed an indigenous Amazigh branch of Islam where the teaching were written & taught in Tamazight. This was a reaction to being treated as inferior by Arabs despite having converted to Islam & playing an essential role in spreading & establishing the faith. The indigenous new Islam based religion lasted for almost 3 centuries until it was annihilated by the Almoravids.
@@Koko70816chose ?? That is why hundreds of thousands of women were sent to the Middle East to be sold as sex slaves according to Islamic heritage. Or maybe those are not important to you ?
The indigenous people were also "Berberized," subject to "Frenchification" & American variant "Anglicisation" in the current fluctuating borders of Westphalian regions like "Morocco". ⚖
Great video! I loved the thorough narration of the historical events. One remark however, as an Amazigh Kabyle from Algeria, i think you could've made the video longer if you addew that the post-European colobiql history of arabization and berber identity as it didn't stop at the migration of Bedouin arabs into the area, in fact, in the case of Algeria, the role of the post-independance gov played a huge role in the linguistic and ethnic dynamics especially since it was ruled for 2 decades by the pan-Arabist Boumediene-led FLN government. Boumediene effectively denigrated the assimilation of Berbers into algerian identity (especially Kabyles whom made up nearly a third of the national population, this defacto illegalization of the language made the prospects of arabization futher becoming al obligation, which culminated in the Berber Spring. Kabyle and Berber identities at large did recover, but the holdover from that period can still be felt, as you still have people who are visibly berber or of amazigh descent claiming that they "came from Yemen"
firstly I would say that a large part of what you say is false, there were several tribes of Arab origin in North Africa including Sanhaja, in addition even among the "Berbers" we can distinguish several origins, Herodotus counted four large populations in North Africa at his time; The Greeks, the (Black) Ethiopians, the Libyans and the Phoenicians, I remind you that the Romans considered the "Black Gaetulians" as the true indigenous people of the region, furthermore the study of DNA shows us that there has two majority strains "E78" which dates between 9500 and 12000 years and "E81" which dates between 2500 and 3000 years which corresponds exactly with the arrival of the Phoenicians whose language was Semitic, even Saint Augustine said that where he was going preached he needed an interpreter from Latin to the Punic that the populations spoke, which explains the ease with which Arabic spread, therefore the summary that you make which is taken from the Pseudo French Historians who through their work wanted no more divide and conquer
firstly I would say that a large part of what you say is false, there were several tribes of Arab origin in North Africa including Sanhaja, in addition even among the "Berbers" we can distinguish several origins, Herodotus counted four large populations in North Africa at his time; The Greeks, the (Black) Ethiopians, the Libyans and the Phoenicians, I remind you that the Romans considered the "Black Gaetulians" as the true indigenous people of the region, furthermore the study of DNA shows us that there has two majority strains "E78" which dates between 9500 and 12000 years and "E81" which dates between 2500 and 3000 years which corresponds exactly with the arrival of the Phoenicians whose language was Semitic, even Saint Augustine said that where he was going preached he needed an interpreter from Latin to the Punic that the populations spoke, which explains the ease with which Arabic spread, therefore the summary that you make which is taken from the Pseudo French Historians who through their work wanted no more divide and conquer
I’d really like to get some more insight. I’m working on animating African history around the 13th century (mainly the fall of the Ghana empire and rise of Mali mixed with their complex relationship with the Amazigh and Arabs. Great video❤
The Republic of Indonesia is the largest Islamic country in the world, and clearly illustrates that being (what you call) "Arabized" is not an inevitable consequence of being "Islamized". Similarly Malaysia.
Most Indonesians like most Muslims in the world(except maybe the middle east) don't know what they are saying when they memorize the Quran. That's because they memorize it in Arab, and just take what their imam says as face value. If most knew what it was saying in the quaran. Most would not have converted to Islam. Also Indonesia I'm particular are having a greater increase of fundamentalist Muslims in their country because they are being arabized in due part by Saudi Arabia paying the bills to teach the Indonesian Muslim students true Islam. So my question to you is do you love Afghanistan culture because you're going to love how it will be in Indonesia in a few decades if the true practicing Muslims get into power. You might say "but that's not true Islam" But it is, Indonesia was just out of reach of the arabs military to get you, but the words of their merchants was able to convince the upper class and then revolt and turn into a Muslim majority country.
There are many big cities in Morocco that speak the Zenata amazigh language such as Nador and Alhoceima, it's not exclusive to isolated communities, there are entire regions the size of some European countries that speak it, same for other amazigh languages such as tachelhit
Islamization accompanied by Arabization have also affected other regions a little further south of the Maghreb such as Sudan and Chad. If you can produce a video as exciting and instructive as this one, it would be TOP
Short answer: Roman and Ottoman Empire shaped the contemporary North Africans. It’s why west Asian Caucasian features are prevalent in the region today.
I love Morocco & the sheer variety of peoples & their varying degrees of inter-mixing. The spirit of the Atlas villages & Fez Al-Bali is by turns refreshing to the simple soul & intoxicating, a special mix with barakah ma sha Allah 🌺.
Just came across your channel for the second time and I have to say you are gradually convincing me to give up on Friday night plans altogether 😅 I'm pretty interested in all the subjects you treat here, particularly on Maghreb, Sahel and Francophone Africa. Lots of love from Brazil!
🤣🤣🤣 This has to be the best comment ever written on this channel! Friday night plans are indeed so overrated. Better spend 'em here for sure 😌 Thank you for your comment! I laughed ^0^
firstly I would say that a large part of what you say is false, there were several tribes of Arab origin in North Africa including Sanhaja, in addition even among the "Berbers" we can distinguish several origins, Herodotus counted four large populations in North Africa at his time; The Greeks, the (Black) Ethiopians, the Libyans and the Phoenicians, I remind you that the Romans considered the "Black Gaetulians" as the true indigenous people of the region, furthermore the study of DNA shows us that there has two majority strains "E78" which dates between 9500 and 12000 years and "E81" which dates between 2500 and 3000 years which corresponds exactly with the arrival of the Phoenicians whose language was Semitic, even Saint Augustine said that where he was going preached he needed an interpreter from Latin to the Punic that the populations spoke, which explains the ease with which Arabic spread, therefore the summary that you make which is taken from the Pseudo French Historians who through their work wanted no more divide and conquer
This video is kinda focus more about the Morocco berbers and leaving out in the process Telemcen and history of The Amazigh Algerians, Lybians and Tunisians.
How egyptians, phenicians, cananaites, mesopotamians, yemenites became arab ? How anatlian became Turks ? How west salvic people became eastern german ?
Some facts : There is no such think as original language or religion (( languages and religions have always changed )) in Europe the Indo-European language replaced the previous languages only small pockets survived such as the basque language and Christianity replaced native European religions , by contrast in the Mideast and North Africa the Afroasiatic language ( which most likely originated in Egypt replaced the languages of the Mideast and North Africa and continue to this day as the dominant language in the Mideast Semitic an Afroasiatic language replaced the dominant Caucasian languages such as the Sumerian language which is non Semitic and spoken in Iraq and Arabia , eventually many Semitic languages were born and replaced each other there were many motivation including trade as a language for communication between populations for example the Assyrian empire adopted Aramaic as the official language although Assyrians were not Aramaic the reason they did so was because it was commonly used to communicate even the Persians after conquering the Mideast adopted Aramaic rather then Persian , the Roman’s also changed the official language of the Roman empire from Latin the language of the Roman to Greek because it was the language spoken by the eastern Mediterranean and thus slowly replaced Aramaic , in the US most of the population are not English in fact the largest European ethnicity in the US are Germans yet English became the language of the US mainly for communication between different European groups , even in the EU English is becoming the language of communication , and if you had a common European state with admixture English would replace the local languages gradually especially in mixed cities as most would use English to communicate while unmixed rural areas would speak the local language , furthermore although there are many Jewish ethnicity with different languages and origins they choose Hebrew to be their language out of religious reasons , and although Israel was established by Ashkenazi European Jews who native language is Yiddish they didn’t choose their native language to be the language of the state instead they chose Hebrew because of its religious values and to not alienate other Jews who’s native language is not Yiddish .
It's only intended for people who want to know a little more (since you simply cannot say everything in a video, lest it'd become too long). Thank you for commenting, dear Tasneem
Im a amazigh from the riff mountains of the city alhoceima. I can confirm that we are not arabized. We still speak our own language and have our culture.
According to available data there are still millions of native Berber speakers in Maghreb, so the process of Arabization is far from complete. The linguistic situation is quite complex there, as French was also introduced as a colonial language in the 19th century and despite the efforts and policies of arabization introduced after the independence 60 years ago, the language is still present and widely spoken. Along with the recent Berber revival it makes the overall linguistic situation in the region very interesting.
Banu Hilal migrations brought around 500,000 to 1,000,000 additional Arabs in 11th century. I'm surprised there is no mention of that, it would have impacted the demographics significantly.
@@SarahHaddid Pre-1900 world population growth was quite slow. Population of Maghreb in 1000 AD was over 5 million, so while this addition was substantial, they wouldn't suffice to make the majority.
“Banu Hilal migration” is mostly an exaggerated myth, pro-arabs try to use it as if it changed north africa when in reality it had little to no effect. The majority of them were killed and enslaved by the Almohads, arabization is mostly a colonial project that was pushed but the French and British. Before the 20th century arabism was way smaller in the Maghreb, it begin when the colonists were starting with the centralization of power and the installment of their puppet regimes that arabic was pushed as the lingua franca and the Amazigh population and their culture was getting marginalized.
I’m proud to be Muslim🤍from Libya 🇱🇾 ethnicy doesn’t matter Berbers Arabs Non-Arabs we’re All brothers in ISLAM We’re All Muslims ❤. Love to All Muslims around the world 🌎
Prophet Muhammad ﷺ said:"All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a White has no superiority over a Black nor a Black has any superiority over a White except by piety and good deeds.”❤
@@Koko70816 Islam does not encourage Arabization or cultural assimilation in the sense of imposing Arab culture or language on others. Islam is a universal religion that emphasizes faith, piety, and submission to Allah rather than cultural or ethnic identity. While Arabic is the language of the Qur'an and Islamic rituals, such as prayer, Islam teaches that no ethnic group, including Arabs, is superior to others. The Prophet Muhammad explicitly stated in his farewell sermon, "An Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab, nor does a non-Arab have any superiority over an Arab; a white person has no superiority over a black person, nor does a black person have any superiority over a white person, except by piety and good action." Islam embraces cultural diversity, as long as the practices within a culture do not contradict Islamic principles. The preservation of one's native language, customs, and traditions is respected, provided they are in harmony with the values of the faith. Thus, Islam promotes unity in belief and practice, not uniformity in culture or language.❤️
@@Koko70816 Islam is a global religion with followers from diverse ethnic, cultural, and geographical backgrounds. African, Amazigh, Arab, Asian, European, Latin American, and many other peoples all embrace Islam. This diversity is seen as a strength within the Islamic community, often referred to as the *Ummah*, which unites Muslims under shared faith, not ethnicity or race. The unity in Islam is built on the principle of *Tawheed* (the oneness of Allah) and the shared belief in the Qur'an and the teachings of the Prophet Muhammad. This transcends cultural, racial, or national boundaries. Islam encourages mutual respect and the idea that piety and good deeds are the only things that truly differentiate individuals in the eyes of Allah.🤍
One of the best (and most uncommon) things about TH-cam is when you come across a video that addresses a topic that you've wondered about for a long time. Ever since I learned (some 45-50 years ago) that north Africa was populated by "Arabs" (and that this is apparently the reason everyone separates "sub-Saharan Africa" from North Africa), I've wondered why this is, how far back it went that these people were known as Arabs. I remember watching Anwar Sadat on television and trying to figure out if he "looked" Arab. In short, this topic has been in the back of my mind for a long time. I hoped someday that a little missing piece of a jigsaw puzzle would fall into place, answering this old question of mine. But alas, it was not to be. Young Miss No Friday Night Plans, while doing an expert job at addressing this question, also made it clear there was no one moment when the Berbers became Arabs. History is messy, and this story was messy, and so while I found no joy in learning the answer, I do take comfort at now being a bit more knowledgeable than I was. Thank you.
Thank you for your comment and support - appreciated. The main point of the video is to determine why some, here North Africans, abandoned their languages in favor of another. As I specify in the video, arabised is to be understood as "a region where Arabic became the dominant language". North Africans are bound to be among the most ethnically diverse peoples on the planet for objective historical reasons. An acquaintance of mine used to say that, despite being Chleuh and thus a native speaker of Tachelhit, he was proud to be an "Arab" because being Arab is defined as "having an excellent command of the Arabic language". This was the main motto of Panarabism. In this video, I have stated the objective historical reasons why the Amazigh tribes usually favored Arabic in the development of their State tradition. It is unfortunate this whole comment section has turned into a feud in favor of one ethnic group against another. Thank you again for your support.
I am both riffian and arab , and i take pride in both of my origins . It's a shame that my great grandparents didn't teach my grandparents riffia , otherwise i would've been speaking it now 😢
@@nofridaynightplans You are right of course , it's just the lack of online resources and me living in marrakech (with barely any riffian population) that is making it hard for me , but i promised myself to learn it even if it means living in Nador for a few years !
Willing to bet you are not "both", you just say that due to a particular mindset that pervades North Africa. That is part of the problem ya know. You cannot preserve something that you cannot even prioritize.
@@mmgxo No, i say that because i am a descendant of Moulay Idriss the first ,who was an arab, i know my origins and i don't need anyone telling me what i am and what i'm not.
This is what I understand specifically of the country of Morocco yes, normally they speak Arabic and the Arabic they speak is so different from classical Arabic or like Egyptian Arabic that it’s been highly influenced by. For instance the language and many words from the Spanish language are still used. There’s many reasons for this part of Spain, ejected all the Islamic Muslim people many of them just want to cross to Morocco and quite a few Moroccans can identify their ancestry from Spain Since no one lives in the vacuum and Islamic people can move to Spain and have been for over 100 years or even more there are quite a few people of Moroccan descent, and even quite a few Sephardic Jews who moved to Spain from Morocco In fact, the preferred European languages in Morocco these days are Spanish are French and through the 20 century are English Arabic in even the form that’s indigenous now to Morocco isn’t really favored So it would be surprised me amazigh Language is alive and well and his preference by people who speak it because they want to maintain their cultural identity along with speaking French and Spanish and English It certainly is beneficial to speak a language, with people who have more wealth affluence, and maybe cultural acceptance, like the people who speak French in Spanish and English, then people who are rather domineering and culturally limiting who speak Arabic
This goes also true for people from Tunisia and I wouldn’t be surprised with people from Algeria, which at one time was part of France I also understand there was also a version of African Latin or vulgar Latin that existed at one time they certainly would make the French language and the Spanish language, and the Italian language quite easy for the people to pick up even centuries
This Middle East religion already has North Africa, parts of South Asia, Southeast Asia, and Central Asia, the Islam doesn’t need anymore victimhood status, it already has statue in its regions
The topic seems to be emotionally extremely charged because a lot of comments here are really weird. Nonetheless, the fact remains: Despite all cultural richness & diversity the ancient conquests by Mediterranean Europe & Western Asia of Northern Africa, paved the way for the loss of indigenous power for the entire continent. Btw, Guanches were only the Amazigh of Teneriffa. All Amazigh tribes of the Canary Islands are referred to as Canarios antiguos = ancient Canarians
On one hand you have stories like this where you feel the natives folklore is being erased and lost, on the other when you see depictions or decriptions of Ancient Rome by the average enthusiast, it's very hard for them to fathom that many of its citizens, leaders and even emperors were not only Native North Africans, but also Middle Eastern. The Arab and Islamic hatred of current has people whitewashing the fact that the Roman Empire was 90% MENA and composed mostly of them as citizens, but still when they visit a ruin in the Middle East or North Africa, they will say ''oh the romans built that'' as if forgetting that maybe the locals themselves were THE ROMANS? As in citizens of Rome? They always treat the natives like savages who got brought all these architecture and development as if it wasn't the Assyrians who developed plumbing as early as 2000BC to construct the Hanging Gardens of Babylon which required extensive irrigation, etc. The ''Romans'', these people almost always exclusively depicted by British and European folks in movies, are always attributed to be the ones who developed these lands when the reality is that native civilizations had been trading and established there since 3000BC - we have scripts in cuneiforms or tifinagh and tablets depicting trades, commerce, economy, society, codes of ruling like the Code of Hammurabi. Let's never forget that 90% of Roman citizens were MENA people and we greatly contributed to building it and establishing an empire which was on our soil mostly but you know they like to whitewash their views on history and for some reason seem so enamored with the folklore of warfare and roman imperialism, failing to realize Romans were also modern day Spanish, Moroccans, Algerians, Tunisians, Egyptians, Lybians, Syrians, Lebanese, Palestinians, Greeks, Macedonians, Serbs, Croats, who basically established dominance over each other one province after an other until the Empire reached it's largest. And the most famous Roman gladiator was not an English guy named Russell but a Syria Province born man who fought under the name of Flama with over 30 victories in the Coliseum...But let them believe their fantasies that the Romans were white guys who conquered the Mediterranean. It was almost strictly a Mediterranean business and to do with all countries bordering the sea. The Italians certainly can claim to have started and built the foundations of a great Empire but they also will hardly mention how after Julius Caesar the power passed over to many provincial emperors coming from Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, etc...They don't like to mention those Roman Emperors and the likely 300 years of MENA driven provincial reign over Rome. I hope this opens your eyes on the erasure of our MENA contributions to history. You can fact check everything I have said, and with enough logic in your judgment you will begin to see the truth in my point. Just looking at a map of what constituted Rome at its biggest, you will wonder how 85% of its citizens and inhabitants are being erased and diminished from history just for who they are by European and not even Mediterranean white supremacists who have romantic views on imperialism.
I’m Libyan 🇱🇾,The Arabs (Muslims) did not come on their own; rather, they came in response to the calls of Christians and Amazigh in North Africa, Christians in Syria, and Palestine, seeking liberation from the oppression, injustice, and tyranny of the Romans who had occupied their lands. Under Roman rule, Christians and Amazigh faced heavy taxation and harsh treatment, which led some families to sell their children into slavery to pay off their debts. The early Muslim conquests were seen as a form of liberation from this exploitation, offering more just and equitable governance. Muslims did not force anyone to accept Islam, as the Qur’an clearly states, “There is no compulsion in religion” (2:256). Additionally, the culture in Libya remains largely the same. We still have the same food, clothes, and traditions that existed before Islam, but we have abandoned practices that conflict with Islamic teachings, such as pagan rituals. Islam is a religion, not an ethnicity, and it unites Muslims across various backgrounds-Amazigh, Arabs, Africans, Asians, Europeans, and Latin Americans alike
Can we talk about how Arabs in Islam golden age appropriated from many things that belonged to Hindus and Persians such as Algebra, vision science and a long list of etc. Arabian night are not even Arabian but Persian/hindu.
firstly I would say that a large part of what you say is false, there were several tribes of Arab origin in North Africa including Sanhaja, in addition even among the "Berbers" we can distinguish several origins, Herodotus counted four large populations in North Africa at his time; The Greeks, the (Black) Ethiopians, the Libyans and the Phoenicians, I remind you that the Romans considered the "Black Gaetulians" as the true indigenous people of the region, furthermore the study of DNA shows us that there has two majority strains "E78" which dates between 9500 and 12000 years and "E81" which dates between 2500 and 3000 years which corresponds exactly with the arrival of the Phoenicians whose language was Semitic, even Saint Augustine said that where he was going preached he needed an interpreter from Latin to the Punic that the populations spoke, which explains the ease with which Arabic spread, therefore the summary that you make which is taken from the Pseudo French Historians who through their work wanted no more divide and conquer
If this were a live conference, is this how you'd have phrased your question? I'm always happy to acknowledge possible mistakes and correct them if need be. My understanding is that the Caliphate was made possible by the Ketamas, whatever the claims to potential prophetic lineage.
@@nofridaynightplans Sorry, but it was such a intermediary mistake. The Fatimids were an Arab dynasty that claimed descent from Fatima, the daughter of Imam Ali, hence the name "Fatimids". They did rely, initially, on the Kutama Amazigh tribe, but once they relocated to Egypt, they began relying on Armenians, Slavs, Turks, and Nubians.
Pan Arabism before used to advocate if you spoke Arabic and embraced the identity, then you are Arabic. Sadly this is changing with loss of that way of thinking. Now we are all busy with our own little problems
Thank God they resisted it. ❤ But unfortunately Iran is under demonic Islamic regime the "Aytollah" 🤮 My country is not Arab country and I'm thankful of it. But unfortunately we have dictatorship. I'm from Eritrea 🇪🇷 ❤️🇮🇷 🗡🦁
The first thing we did to become Arabs through Islam was to crush two armies of the Arab Umayyads in battle and expel their oppressive rulers. Then we knew that God wanted us to rule our land ourselves and not through the Arabs, and Islam gave us the opportunity to build our own empire after we had been subject for centuries to foreigners, the Greeks, the Romans, the Vandals and the Byzantines.
Great video on a great topic that is seldom discussed. TY (immediate and enthusiastic subscription, of course). I beg to disagree with you on Latin only spreading to Indoeuropean areas: many non-Indoeuropeans were also very strongly Latinized (Etruscans, Ligurians, Sardinians, Corsicans, Iberians and Tartessians at the very least), while some remote Indoeuropeans like the Britons retained their language until today (Welsh). In North Africa we know that the Latinization of the former Phoenician cities was quite strong and that at least the elites spoke Latin regularly, for example Septimius Severus (the first not-really Italian Roman Emperor, who had an accent anyhow) or Augustin of Hippo, whose texts show that North African Latin had the same "betacist" tendency (confusing "v" and "b") as Iberian one (Omniglot had a good video on that). Latin linguistic hegemony continued under the Vandals and Byzantines (who had not yet shifted to Greek as official language) but was of course limited to whatever the actual borders of Africa province were. As for foreign arrivals through history a key marker is Y-DNA J2, which may signal Semitic or even Roman immigration (J2 was spread into West Europe mostly by Roman settlement for sure but in North Africa is more likely to signify Phoenician or Arab inflow, I guess), Turkish settlement would also be associated. Asmahan Bekada, Lara R. Arauna et al. ("Genetic Heterogeneity in Algerian Human Populations", PLoS ONE 2015) found only very low frequencies of this outsider lineage in Algeria, concentrated in Algiers (6% in one sample, 0% in the other) and Oran (5% in one sample, 1% in the other), elsewhere it was absent. An older study from the same main author (Asmahan Bekada et al., "Introducing the Algerian Mitochondrial DNA and Y-Chromosome Profiles into the North African Landscape", PLoS ONE 2013) found (table S6) 5% J2 in Algeria, 3% in Tunisia (surprisingly low IMO), 1% in Morocco and 0% in Libya. All this supports what you said in the video about the small figures of the various invader groups, especially the Arabs. Best wishes from the Basque Country.
Thank you so much for this very informative comment! I sincerily appreciate it. The study I read indicated that Latin had tended to take root on IE substrates, while it was the opposite for Arabic. But it's interesting to know that non-IE peoples were indeed latinised. I don't know much, not to say anything at all, about the genetics of the people you mentioned, but thank you for sharing the information.
@@nofridaynightplans - I concur that IE peoples, most of them of the same Celto-Italic stock as the Latins, would have been more easily assimilated not just in language but in culture by the Romans but the Etruscans and the Iberians/Tartessians were more civilized and that's also a gateway by which the overall Roman civilization (and language) penetrated, following on the steps of the more modest Phocaean Greek colonies (Marseilles notably, very adept at befriending the Iberians and Ligurians and bumping heads with the Phoenicians and Celts). The Iberians and ancient Sardinians were Vasconic (i.e. related to Basques and descendants from mainline European Neolithic peoples of Anatolian roots) for sure, the Ligurians probably too but there is debate for lack of evidence, the Tartessians are a mystery but definitely pre-Indoeuropean. The Etruscans were a very different group (Tyrsenians, also documented in Lemnos), probably from the Aegean, also pre-Indoeuropean and were key in the formation of Rome, which they ruled for a long time and gave many cultural elements, including the precursor of this very Latin alphabet we're using. A phonetic fact that may have ever so slightly helped with Latinization in the case of Vasconic peoples is the shared five vowel system. Most Romances have now diverged from that but Spanish (Castilian) notably retains it very well (save for long vowels not anymore in use) and that's surely because it has strong Basque influence. Some ancient Roman whose name I can't recall said that the Aquitanii (as Basques were known in those days) spoke a very good Latin, while in Rome apparently almost everyone did it wrongly. This may have been because of similar phonetics, I guess. But the main factor is IMO how strongly were the Romans invested in each province and district. Places like Baetica (Andalusia), where Italian colonization was very strong (about 20% of Andalusian ancestry seems to be Roman/Italian) Latin surely became dominant very quickly, while in remote areas like Mauretania, Britain or NW Spain/SW France, that Latin education was surely limited to the elites at best. In North Africa there must have been a strong distinction between Africa Province, especially the Phoenician cities, and Mauritania and other relatively remote areas, where Roman domination was lax and perceived as distant.
@@nofridaynightplans - I used to have a blog on the wider issues of prehistory, population genetics and general anthropology, which has some articles and references on the matter and others. However nowadays posting any links at YT comments seems to be totally shadow-censored (i.e. your comment seems to go through and then vanishes, sometimes you can even get "spam" warnings). In my experience even naming the blog (which absolutely legit and hosted by Blogger, i.e. Alphabet, the same company that owns YT) results in the same kind of shadow-censored. So I'll give you the details (no links) in separate replies you might be able to read as notification but will almost certainly be deleted anyhow.
@@nofridaynightplans - Search for a blog called "For what they were... we are" and, once there, search for "ancient Iberians" or something like that. There's a chronological index at the bottom right but it's many years long. Searching for "Sardinians" or "Basque origins" should also produce interesting results. Cheers.
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11:11 there were viable alternatives. tamazight languages was as divergent as arabic ones. and they have had a script for quite a long time. it was simply a matter of prestige.
Arabic was generalized after 1956, the independence of Morocco, through the school system and media. More than 95% of Moroccans were illiterate back in 1955. After the process of Arabization led by the post independence government, Moroccan Darija is still heavily influenced by Amazigh language and it is still being intelligible by Arabic speakers from the Middle East.
They aren’t genetically Arab, they are culturally Arab, their original culture was diluted and was changed due to Arab conquest. They are still the descendants of the ancient Egyptians. Egyptian Christians still use Coptic as their liturgical language.
The closest people to ancient Egyptians are the Copts, followed by Saudi Arabians and Yemenis. Modern Egyptian Muslims have a lot of Sub Saharan blood therefore they’re not close to ancient Egyptians
The opposit the Carthagenians came to Lebanon a couple of centuries earlier, they were part of the sea people. Lebanon was priced by the sea people because of the cider forest.
It’s important to note that Caliphate Omar opposed expansion into the Maghreb ( to avoid being part of the internal conflicts between the tribes in the Maghreb and he also argued that the Muslim caliphate was to large if a dog is hungry i would face God for not providing for him ) after the Rashidun Caliphate passed away the umayyad took over the Caliphate and they faced an invasion by the Byzantines who attacked Egypt from Tunisia this forced the umayyad leadership to secure both the Maghreb and Iberia to prevent the Byzantines ( Romans ) from using it as a base to attack them , after the full of the umayyad caliphate leadership they sought refuge in the Maghreb and they were protected by Berber tribes ( Amazigh )this highlights that the relationship between the Berbers and Umayyad’s were strong to the point they refused to deport the Umayyads to the Abbasid Caliphate despite the request from the Abbasid Caliphate , it is also important to note that the Maghreb conquest history was written centuries later and a lot of propaganda was inserted , in fact although the Gospels were written 40 to 50 years after Jesus many fabricated stories were inserted , according to the biblical scholar Bart D. Ehrman Christian authors fabricate stories and forge books to attack their opponents , and let’s not forget that the enemies of the Umayyad’s wrote their history centuries after them , furthermore according to the biblical scholar Bart D. Ehrman the Quran was well preserved by contrast the Gospels was not well preserved in short the Gospels are like the Hadith and Muslim history it continue lots of fabrication because it was written by people who didn’t witness the events and only collected circulated information and this information were changed , by contrast the Quran was memorized the Gospels and Muslim Hadith ( history ) was not , thus we must not take the history of the conquest of the Maghreb by the Umayyad’s as facts since they were written centuries after the events and the Umayyad’s greatest enemy were the Shittes who spread a lot of fake news about them and played a key role in overthrowing them ( and played a key role in presenting them as unjust and racist by contrast natural Christian sources of that time viewed the Umayyad more favorably , thus we must not blindly believe in historical books written centuries after the event even if there was no other source which unfortunately encourages us to use the available sources even if it’s not reliable .
The area got easily arabized Mostly because of the zawaya that still exists until nowadays , and good point you mentioned that people start identify as Arabs to get more respect because of the religion origins this why most of people say they are from bedouin or hilal tribes rather than roman african who could be possible more than anything else , but arabization of Morocco for example completed in 50s with the rise of arabism in the middle east , I feel sad when I hear someone identify himself as an arab from middle east origins rather than Moroccan or Amazigh origin , it feels like Moroccan with french nationality living in france
There is no ethnic group or linguistic group or racial group called 'Berbers' in Africa. This is a foreign term derived from Barbarous introduced by the ancient Greeks referring to tribal oeople in Europe (Barbarians) and Africa (the French word Berber is borrowed from Arabic Al Barbar borrowed from Latin/Greek 'Barbarous). The Greeks arrived in Africa in 810 BC founding colonies of Apollonia, Barca, Euesiperidis (Bengazi), Tripolitania, Cyrene (Cyrenaica), Taucheria, Naucratis In Africa, the various tribes that were known to the Greeks from the Maghreb (what is now Morocco) to the Beja of the Red Sea and the Nilotics south of Kush were all labelled Berber. These African tribes of the Mediterrenian included the Gaetuli of Morocco, the Amonni of Algetia, Phazani of Algeria, Afuri of Tunisia, Libu of Libya, Garamantee of Libya, Beja of south-east Egypt and others. The descendants of these tribes are the mixed people of North Africa and the African tribes of West Africa, Sahara and East Africa. These tribes spoke difference languages of Mande, Chadic, Sudanic (in the case of Libyan tribes). The descendants of Greeks who arrived in 810 BC had 700 years later in 100 BC founded the polity of Numidia, an Afro-Greek state allied to Rome. After conquered Carthage, and Numidia divolved into the Roman Empire, some Numidians founded founded the Kingdom of Mauretania under the Juba dynasty in 63 AD. Moroccans, and Mauritanians now called Amazigh are descendants of those Mauretanians of Numidia. North African caucasians also descend from Greeks/Numidians, Phoenicians/Carthage, Romans, Vandals (Germans), Anatolian (Byzantines), Arabs and Spanish Musllims who fled the Inquisitions.
Before the Arab conquest and spread of Islam; the caucasian people of North Africa spoke Latin The African peoples spoke their own native languages including creole languages of the Mauretanians in hinterland of Algeria and Morocco. It is creole because various languages have contributed to the language now called Tamazight including ancient Greeks (Ionian and Dorian), Latin, Gaetuli (a Mande people), Phazani (a Mande or Chadic people), Amonni (a Chadic), Gilimante/Garamante and Afuri assumed to be a Chadic speaking group. German of the Vandals also contributed immensely in both genetics and language as the Byzantines scattered the Germans into the interior of Africa as punishment for having sacked Rome.
A lot of people seem to have a lack of knowledge of the region’s history and are acting as if they know a thing or two about this matter. First of all, this video has a lot of misinformation. She said that the Saharan Amazigh didn’t covert until the 15th century….. well what about the Almoravids? They were Muslim Saharan Amazigh that existed in the 11th century. Secondly she claimed the Amazigh were treated by Arabs as second class despite both working together to maintain a foothold on Iberia. The example of Tariq Ibn Ziyad throws that whole argument to the bin. Tariq was so respected that there is even a mountain named after him that even Arabs recognized. If the Amazigh were Arabized, why are the sous and many other Amazigh areas that also have Arab tribes in those areas still dominated by Amazighs who maintained their culture??? The Amazigh (don’t call them Berber as that is offensive) AND the Egyptians both willingly accepted Islam and co existed with Arabs for a long time. Of course there were a minority of people who got into disputes but thats the case in every nation, especially between white and black Americans. A big percentage of Amazigh people have even married with Arabs so the idea that The Amazigh have had their identity taken away is false. In Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia and Libya for example, The Amazigh themselves have their own regions and communities. Many of them choose to migrate to Arab majority cities. A lot of Amazigh are fluent in Arabic too. Stop trying to cause issues between Arabs and Amazigh. You have to understand how the world used to work prior to colonialism and imperialism. The world was different than it is now and survival was emphasized a lot more.
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Prophet Muhammad PBUH said:"All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a White has no superiority over a Black nor a Black has any superiority over a White except by piety and good deeds.”❤
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Incredibly well presented. Very good balance of nuanced information without being overly simplistic all while remaining neutral on the topic and not making bold claims. Looking forward to seeing more like this :)
Thank you so much! Appreciated. It’s a complex issue and I learnt a lot too.
The French also helped in the arabization process by making it the State language in Morocco. In fact, Tamazight was spoken by around 80% of the population, whereas, after the withdrawal of the French from Morocco, it had been reduced to around 60%
This is probably true when it comes to the modern institutions of the State (e.g., compulsary education) .But the Moroccan State has a long history and must have had a State language before that. It's impossible it was Amazigh in any way, shape or form since it is not a unified language (1) and most importantly none of the variations can serve as a literary language since they aren't written.
The linguistic issue in Morocco has mostly served the interests of the ruling class after independance since Arabic is the official language in schools, including for the native Amazigh speakers. Yet when entering universities, everyone is supposed to know French. Everyone was (is?) confused, hence all the powerful positions remain in the hands of the few. Great strategy for the ruling class but questionable choice for the people.
@@nofridaynightplans I agree with you. The language policy of Arabic and French mainly hurts Tamazight speakers. However, there were attempts to unify the language in the middle ages, but they largely failed, mainly due to the collapse of the Amazigh dynasties that were pushing them.
First time I've heard of these efforts. I'd be really grateful if you could share sources for me to read as the issue interests me a lot. Thank you!
@@nofridaynightplans the book is called Berbers and the Islamic State
Is the author Maya Shatzmiller?
As a Vietnamese guy whose dating an Algerian woman, I always give the analogy to curious MENA people that *Chinese vs. Vietnamese* are just like *Arabs vs. Berbers* or *Romans vs. Celts.*
One group conquered and influenced the other, but never fully "assimilated" them; as the latter still have their local "native" languages and customs.
Good take, it's always one ethnic group conquering another and trying to assimilate it to its culture and values.
You completely skip the history of fierce resistance. Am not familiar with the Chinese vs. Vietnamese history, but I doubt it can be compared to the other two: Romans vs. Celts/Celto-Germans, Germans laid the cornerstone for European supremacy because in the end Rome was sacked by the “Barbarians“. The Arabic conquering tactics (military invasion but as well treaties - Byzantine Egypt had not yet recovered from another Sassanian attack and Christian Nubia (Nobatia) were never conquered but the Arab armies were fiercely defeated & a treaty was required. Therefore, numerous events gradually weakened the power structure of the entire continent in the end. Despite Islam being widespread in Asia, the continent is not under Arabic domination.
I'm a light skin native berber indigenous from the southern of Morocco far from the anti atlas mountains by 200 klm but we can stell look at the beginning of the anti atlas mountains series from a far and is snowy from the very far distance my native berber tribe with other over 50 native berbers tribes all of them speak Tamazight language from the extent of 20 klm and most of the families of this tribes every married couple got over 5 kids to 8 kids the maximum and the anti atlas mountains there's over than 3300k berbers native tribes
That means you are of mixed blood, and not a true African. You have Arab and European blood. Light skin my foot!
@@Njoofene Israeli pfp is a weird race scientist, how surprising.
I have to thank my algorithm for showing your video. Thank you for well in depth analysis
Me too! I have no idea how this popped up in my feed, but I'm glad it did!
firstly I would say that a large part of what you say is false, there were several tribes of Arab origin in North Africa including Sanhaja, in addition even among the "Berbers" we can distinguish several origins, Herodotus counted four large populations in North Africa at his time; The Greeks, the (Black) Ethiopians, the Libyans and the Phoenicians, I remind you that the Romans considered the "Black Gaetulians" as the true indigenous people of the region, furthermore the study of DNA shows us that there has two majority strains "E78" which dates between 9500 and 12000 years and "E81" which dates between 2500 and 3000 years which corresponds exactly with the arrival of the Phoenicians whose language was Semitic, even Saint Augustine said that where he was going preached he needed an interpreter from Latin to the Punic that the populations spoke, which explains the ease with which Arabic spread, therefore the summary that you make which is taken from the Pseudo French Historians who through their work wanted no more divide and conquer
I’m an Algerian Berber but I only identify as MUSLIM and nothing else. Alhamdulilah for the gift of Islam. 🇩🇿🇲🇦🇹🇳🇱🇾🇲🇷
Hi sir, Do you identify yourself hetero sexual cis male?
@@JoaoVitor-ib9ip I identify with whatever the Quran tells me to. Islam is the only truth and I’m lucky to be a Muslim. 😊
I'm Algeria Berber and I identify with my Berber identity not the cult of Islam that eradicatey culture ♓
So… you’re an Algerian Berber but you don’t identify with it? 🤔 That’s interesting… so, you identify solely as your religion? So…in essence, your actual heritage means nothing to you? You only care about the religion that was forced upon your descendants many centuries ago? Ok. ✌🏽
Also… religion wasn’t the entire focus of this video, or even the subject of the discussion. You’re an Algerian Berber, you say. That’s your ethnicity and nationality. A totally different subject than your religion, Islam, of which practitioners are called Muslims, and which was forced upon ancient Berbers centuries ago.
"Gift"
As an amazigh i'd like to confess that we're really good at learning other languages like in morocco speaking 5 or 4 languages is normal and we can easily adapt with foreigns but unfortunately we lack to be proud of our origins. We always protect ourselves and fight invaders but in the bottom of our hearts we admire the foreigns who conquered them and then we slowly turn to those invaders by time and for exemple the arabisation that you talked about and i wish that will change in the future and to recognize ourselves as a nation and not clinging to other nations like romans or arabs or the french
most arab speakers are arabo-berbers who chose arabic through generations
like the celts chose FRENCH in France !
This is very easy to observe from an Ethiopian perspective. But honestly, where in Africa are any groups as proud as Horners?! We are clearly not common Africans, as offensive as that sounds, it is so true. We have a Puntite lineage to be proud of, a warrior tradition, and not even coastal Egypt/Sudan Cushitic groups could EVER be conquered by Arab$ - when their fat asses only discovered the Red Sea not so long ago (they are not indigenous to Arabia & came from Syrian Desert). I have even seen Arab$ telling other people that we are "partly related to them" lmao in their inbred dreams.
Gtfoh with miss information....you Ethiopians are like morrocans like op said.youd be quick to grasp at any Arab lineages than any pure africanes.hell if I called you African you'd feel insulted😂😂that's how low esteem u got.@@mmgxo
@@mmgxo Ok, I love your Ancient African pride cause I share it even as an African American, but what in the world is a common African? People of African blood should stick together and support each other so to divide us (as many Ethiopians have been accused of by other Africans) does not help our cause to stand up to conquerors of every nation. Love and peace to you my honourable sister.
@mmgxo no Arabs want you to be related to them , your Ethiopia became to be known thanks to yemenite arabic people who invaded your lands 1000 BC , introduced you to their languages, their writings , and founded Axum , among other things ,... as a matter of fact there are still many tribes in Ethiopia running half-naked, you only need google to see that .
Very interesting and informative. You succintly (but yet in a very comprehensive way) presented quite a complex issue. I learnt a lot. Thank you.
Thank you - appreciated :)
@@nofridaynightplansleave us alone
we need a huge financial support to revive and preserve the amazigh language
also thank for shedding light on the matter
You will fail. The language is going so is the culture. You are now Arabs, just accept it. The Black African are the only true Africans left.
You find they aren't well preserved? I find the opposite (at least in Morocco, the only Maghreb country I know extremely well. The other being Tunisia, but never met any Amazigh language speaker there). From Bin el Ouidane to Sidi Kaouki, Imlil to Tafraoute, Aourir to Tata, you'll mostly hear Tachelhit. I don't even mention the Rif Mountains (different language there but still).
The thing with Amazigh is that it is not only one language. There are many variations within that language family, which means that anyone from Ouirgane in Al Haouz will always resort to darija when visiting the Rif. That's why the linguistic issue in the Maghreb is a real headache.
As for the Modern Standard Tamazight now taught in Moroccan schools, I must say I'm not convinced. This is an artificial language that has nothing in common with what people speak at home. I find it quite odd to be honest.
Thank you for your comment!
P.S.: to preserve languages, passion is a good start :)
@@nofridaynightplans no it isn't well preserved not in Morocco or any north African country tamazight isn't even thought in schools and was only considered an official language till 2011 and the government faced a lot of critiques from pan arabist and islamist constitutions and it still is to this day you can't even name your children amazigh name but rather Arabic name where the hell is freedom and acceptance of cultures???
, arabization really hurt the roots of north Africa and I say that as a Moroccan
@@NjoofeneAnd the poorest ones too.
@@samisayekh2001 Arrubization is THE enemy, that is what I keep trying to explain to the (abundantly dense to put it politely) North Africans online. There was even a woman named "Amazigh Lionness" who legit said that Islam saved North Africa from paganism, so it was "worth it" to be conquered. Yes the same conquering that involved beheading their Berber queen and displaying her in Syria for all to see. The not so bright woman then disappeared once I reminded her that Indonesia didn't need Arrubization to adopt Islam. Go figure.
Islamized an arabized are really interesting ways of saying colonized.
you should learn what colonization means
Arabization/muslim colonization isnt even considered colonization to these dumb people
Same as Americanization for north American natives and hispanization to south native Americans
@@biomuseum6645 the difference is that europeans are a superior group
arabs are PoC they can't be colonizers
Unbiased, informative and easy to follow.
About 40% of Persian literature is Arabic words ,,, and the Turkish language is a mixture of Persian, Arabic, and French ,,, and the French language is a product of Gallo-Romance dialects , while English is a product of Old English, Danish, Norse, and French, and has been changed by Latin, Greek, Arabic , Chinese, Hindi, Japanese, Dutch and Spanish, along with some words from other languages .
Ok…? 🤔
Most languages are influenced by other languages. That’s just common sense and it’s something that’s going to happen naturally. Even Tamil and Korean have many similar words… due to supposed ancient history, with an Indian princess marrying a Korean ruler, or something. But if you look at international borders, regional accents of different languages, and different cultural traditions, they flow and influence one another, and change gradually as one travels. For example, if you traveled west from Japan all the way to the Iberian Peninsula, you’d see influence and interchange between borders. Or if you went from India north through Siberia, look at all the regions and how they flow into each other. Japan flows into China, Korea, and East Asia, and vice versa. China flows into the Central and West Asian cultures, which are also influenced by Russians to the north and Persians and Arabs to the south, and Turkic peoples, too. The Middle East and Levant flows into Anatolia, which flows into the Balkans, which flows into the Adriatic, which flows into Italy, which flows into the south of France, which flows into Spain and Portugal. You could literally look at hundreds of scenarios like this. So yeah, languages are always influenced by their neighbors or "colleagues".
Thanks for that video. I've learned so many things.
firstly I would say that a large part of what you say is false, there were several tribes of Arab origin in North Africa including Sanhaja, in addition even among the "Berbers" we can distinguish several origins, Herodotus counted four large populations in North Africa at his time; The Greeks, the (Black) Ethiopians, the Libyans and the Phoenicians, I remind you that the Romans considered the "Black Gaetulians" as the true indigenous people of the region, furthermore the study of DNA shows us that there has two majority strains "E78" which dates between 9500 and 12000 years and "E81" which dates between 2500 and 3000 years which corresponds exactly with the arrival of the Phoenicians whose language was Semitic, even Saint Augustine said that where he was going preached he needed an interpreter from Latin to the Punic that the populations spoke, which explains the ease with which Arabic spread, therefore the summary that you make which is taken from the Pseudo French Historians who through their work wanted no more divide and conquer
Arabised? Lmfao are you serious. Call it colonization, just as you would if any other group had done it. The Berbers have forgotten their own language and now pray to another people's god. They were colonized. Call it what it is.
Not all Berbers have forgotten their own language, but yeah it's a colonisation.
The Berbers were conquered, then willingly accepted the truth of Islam, then they rebelled against their conquerors, then they themselves became conquerors taking over places like Iberia and West Africa. There is only one God and he is everyone's God, just that some are too arrogant to believe.
And as someone who actually lives in North Africa, I can assure you that they did not forget their language 💪🇲🇦
I think colonization refers to like exploiting the resources and not becoming natives(?) of that land? For example the Europeans colonized USA even when it had racially European people. Replacing almost the entire population by Arab is Arabization. It's like Christians colonized the Nordic countries while infact it was actually Christianized. I am being respectful and I expect civilized discussions regarding this.
@@Ani-13-w8d Arabisation happened when Arab language and culture was spread in North Africa, the native population was absolutely not replaced by Arabs because it was impossible even if Arabs wanted to and because Berbers are still the majority of people until this day.
@@ahmedsalek976 It still doesnt make it colonization tho I dunno what point you wanted to make. It's the same with other cultural process too like the Turkification of Central Asia. The culture is deeply Arabized and Islamized too though some ofthe countries are majority. Also this is an excerpt from Wikipidea:
Ethnically, Berbers comprise a minority population in the Maghreb. Berbers comprise 15% to 25% the population of Algeria, 10% of Libya, 31%to 35% of Morocco, and 1%of Tunisia. Berber language speakers in the Maghreb comprise 30% to 40%[better source needed] of the Moroccan population, and 15%to 35%[better source needed] of the Algerian population. The sources are given in the original page and they are nowhere near majority which is kinda sad. You can check the references here :
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berbers#Contemporary_demographics
Very chill and entertaining to watch at 2 am lol hope you're doing well and that your channel takes off 🎉
Thank you! Appreciated!
@@nofridaynightplansI speak Arabic and lived in Morocco, casablanca and Tanger, for a couple of years; and I do think that you yourself are of Moroccan descent. It's all there 😊
firstly I would say that a large part of what you say is false, there were several tribes of Arab origin in North Africa including Sanhaja, in addition even among the "Berbers" we can distinguish several origins, Herodotus counted four large populations in North Africa at his time; The Greeks, the (Black) Ethiopians, the Libyans and the Phoenicians, I remind you that the Romans considered the "Black Gaetulians" as the true indigenous people of the region, furthermore the study of DNA shows us that there has two majority strains "E78" which dates between 9500 and 12000 years and "E81" which dates between 2500 and 3000 years which corresponds exactly with the arrival of the Phoenicians whose language was Semitic, even Saint Augustine said that where he was going preached he needed an interpreter from Latin to the Punic that the populations spoke, which explains the ease with which Arabic spread, therefore the summary that you make which is taken from the Pseudo French Historians who through their work wanted no more divide and conquer
Nice video. I see Pakistanis trying to arabise (and also anglicise) themselves and its so cringe. We arent white, we arent arab.
Somalia right again..
@@shafsteryellow Somalia will never be Arrub. Do not even mention it, so disturbing to even fathom.
Your problem is that Pakistanis are fanatical followers of an Arab cult of an Arab man. One that freezes you in the customs and mores of the 7th century.
You have the eternal and unalterable word of Allah and you have a "perfect" man to slavishly follow and emulate. You are forced to believe that on pain of an unpleasant and painful end.
That sucks. You are the slave of a harsh master, not a loving father and your perfect messenger was s€× obsessed pdf.file who married a 6 year old baby, the wife of his adopted son. A warrior who, with his own hands or sword, unalived countless people. A man who had no qualms to make and trade slaves.
The list of his imperfections and immorality is very long.
Be better than that.
firstly I would say that a large part of what you say is false, there were several tribes of Arab origin in North Africa including Sanhaja, in addition even among the "Berbers" we can distinguish several origins, Herodotus counted four large populations in North Africa at his time; The Greeks, the (Black) Ethiopians, the Libyans and the Phoenicians, I remind you that the Romans considered the "Black Gaetulians" as the true indigenous people of the region, furthermore the study of DNA shows us that there has two majority strains "E78" which dates between 9500 and 12000 years and "E81" which dates between 2500 and 3000 years which corresponds exactly with the arrival of the Phoenicians whose language was Semitic, even Saint Augustine said that where he was going preached he needed an interpreter from Latin to the Punic that the populations spoke, which explains the ease with which Arabic spread, therefore the summary that you make which is taken from the Pseudo French Historians who through their work wanted no more divide and conquer
@@mmgxo did you understand what I said
Just Study amazigh languages and Use them again ...
Hebrew was extinct for many centuries and it's now spoken by millions of natives .
Viva imazighen .
Why don't you revive etruscan, Aequian or somesort instead of fabricating artifical language and state inside arabs homeland. Are we free experimenting subjects to you ?
natives of what? they are europeans
@@joahua122 incorrect. Not all Jews are European in origin
@@SarahHaddid the difference between those langauge and amazighs is that a huge fraction of north africans in Morocco and Algeria still speak it as a first languages
Palestine is not the home land of the Jewish people -- its the land of Canaanites ( the Roman called it Palestine ) thankfully the discovery of 4500 year old Canaanites graves have been genetically studied it turned out that they are genetically closer to Arabs including Palestinians by contrast most Jews are genetically related to non Semitic population such as Europeans especially Italians and Kurds and Persian and Turks ( a small minority of Mideast Jews are genetically related to Canaanites and Arabs ) most of the world Jews are Ashkenazi Jews they are mostly Europeans who either converted or migrated to Europe from Anatolian and mixed with European women thus the strong links with Italians , the Levant which includes Palestine witnessed through its history migration from Anatolia and Persia into the Levant due to instability in Anatolia , modern examples are the Maronite Christians who migrated to Lebanon and Syria fleeing the Byzantines prosecution in Anatolia or the Druze both immigrated from Anatolia to the Levant , and finally the Kurds in Syria who migrated to Syria fleeing Ataturk regime and fled from Iran to Syria fleeing the Shah regime in addition to economic Kurdish migrants in farms in Syria , in short the vast majority of Jews in Israel are certainly not native to Palestine if they were they would have strong genetic links to the native Canaanites yet they have strong links to non Semitic groups .
Fascinating and informative video! Subscribed!
Leave us alone ✡️🤥
Arabs were in Morocco centuries before the English took over England. Note that more Amazigh people speak the Amazigh language than Scots people speak Gaelic. And Amazigh and Arabs went into Andalus together, creating that civilisational acheivement that helped pull Europe out of the Dark Ages together, with of course the indigenous people of Andalus. Much of what is being suggested about "The Arabs" in this video could be applied to the English. Yet the UK and the USA have both been multi cultural societies from the outset, and are stronger for it, despite much denial and many nationalist myths. I find North Africans very aware of their multi ethnic roots and diverse culture and of the diversity that has been an essential part of their history. They are aware that if you try to separate the threads, the fabric falls apart. IMO we could all learn from this. I live in a Moroccan city and my family, neighbours and personal freinds here are from a very diverse ethnic backgrounds, but together they are all Moroccan. Despite all these issues, as described, mainly with ruling elites irrespective of ethnicity - a layered identity that acknowledges rich cultural diversity, very much enriches people here and actually reinforces their identity by giving them much to be proud of collectively.
This is ziofunded, ethnic cleansing campaign targeted toward ethnic Arabs in north africa. They want to erase Arab ldentity over a suppose "ldentity revival" like they are doing in palestina.
Arabs arrived in the 10th century... The Anglo Saxons conquered and carved out england 500 years before that.
Uk is going to sht thought because of all the pakis and other ethnic people INCLUDING MOROCCANS AND ALGERIANS
Thanks for sharing that perspective.
There were no Arabs in North Africa stop the bulshit bot
As a Libyan🇱🇾 By the grace of Allah, and through the efforts and sacrifices of the early Muslims, the light of Islam reached our land, the true religion. We were in darkness and ignorance of idolatry, polytheism, and the worship of man, the sun, the moon, and idols. Praise be to Allah Almighty, the One True God, for the blessing of worshiping the Creator of the heavens and the earth. Praise be to Allah for the blessing of Islam and the guidance brought by the Islamic conquests. I am proud and deeply grateful that Islam entered Libya. I owe an immense debt to the Muslims who came, taught us Islam, spread the Quran, and conveyed the message of all the prophets, including Noah, Jesus, Moses, and Abraham, while also introducing us to the magnificent Arabic language. Alhamdulillah.🤍
Amazing video! I've been thinking about this topic for a long time, thank you.
Very sad, I am Algerian and Islam was forced on us. We had our own language, our own religion and our own ways. Now that I've left Islam and If I ever went back, I would be killed for leaving Islam.
Sad that I will never be able to go home again.
Hey I'm also ex Muslim from Indonesia,
@bunjijumper5345 Islam has simply stolen from the cultures it destroys and then claim credit for.
@@soberman1520🙏❤👍
Who has been killed for leaving Islam recently ? I know people from the Eglise protestante d Algérie who are apostate of islam. Their churches are closed, they can be imprisoned but I never hear of anyone having been killed.
@@danielalexandre4008 it usually gets covered up when it happens.
*The origin of Vandals is Scandinavia*
True, however, by the time they reached northern Africa, they would have picked up a lot influences, both culturally & genetically..
I'm an American who learned Darija as a Peace Corps Volunteer based in Meknes in the late 1990s. I consider myself near fluent. Question: I was shocked to realize when watching a documentaries of Palestinian Bedouins that their language is almost identical to Moroccan Arabic. I don't know if they say "Labess" as a greeting, but the tone, the vocabulary, the accent appeared near identical to me. Am I hallucinating?!? Ha ha. Wonderful video, btw. La3tik saha!
I'm from Tunisia , I did DNA test last year and these are my results :
51% North Africa
22% Italian
14% Iberian
8% Ashkenazi Jews
3% Scandinavian
2% Balkan
*Oh wow you are 49% European ! 😅 Good results btw 💖*
@@AliceBradey Thank you ❤️
So you're European not Arabic or African.
@@CarlJohnson-uk4fenorth African means indigenous African
@@JohnnyJacobGO Who were the first North Africans ?
As a Moroccan Oujdi from a mix arab amazigh descent I find your video very informative and precise.
I want to add that "Arab" is an ethnolinguistic identity, just like being jew is an ethno religious identity. Which means that arabs since the beginning were ethnically diverse and binded by language.
That's why, historicaly we find many categories for arabs, either Geographicaly or socially like qedarites arabs (north semitic Arabs) and qahtani arabs (Afro-Asiatic people) While both groups identify as arabs.
So, yeah in a sense, Moroccans were arabized both culturally and linguistically so it's quite normal for many to identify as arabs and that shouldn't be considered wrong likewise identifying as pure amazigh.
Fun fact, we talk about berber arabization but many don't know about arab amazighation. Many arab tribes in my area (migrated in the late XVIII century) have fully assimilated into amazigh culture and many think they are berber tribes while "ethnically" they are arabs.
So in Morocco we had this weird exchange 😅
This is the best observation I've seen in these comments so far. Very accurate and open-minded. When you said some of the Arabs were actually drawn into the indigenous culture and today think they're Berbers or Moors.. I knew you knew what this videos isn't saying.
firstly I would say that a large part of what you say is false, there were several tribes of Arab origin in North Africa including Sanhaja, in addition even among the "Berbers" we can distinguish several origins, Herodotus counted four large populations in North Africa at his time; The Greeks, the (Black) Ethiopians, the Libyans and the Phoenicians, I remind you that the Romans considered the "Black Gaetulians" as the true indigenous people of the region, furthermore the study of DNA shows us that there has two majority strains "E78" which dates between 9500 and 12000 years and "E81" which dates between 2500 and 3000 years which corresponds exactly with the arrival of the Phoenicians whose language was Semitic, even Saint Augustine said that where he was going preached he needed an interpreter from Latin to the Punic that the populations spoke, which explains the ease with which Arabic spread, therefore the summary that you make which is taken from the Pseudo French Historians who through their work wanted no more divide and conquer
This channel is exsclusively about languages. I don't discuss ethnicities. It's clearly stated on the first image of the video: arabised = Arabic became the main language in the region. The question that interests me is: why have some people abandoned their languages while others have not? It's unfortunate few people actually pay attention to what is being said.
Who knows people's ethnicity anyway? North Africans are bound to be among the most ethnically diverse individuals on the planet...
We should not discount the earlier Punic (Carthaginian) influence as they too (like the later Arab's) were a Semitic people
Arabs are Cannanites, not Semitic.
Neo-Punic is what survived and it's likely went extinct before the Arab Conquest
Arabic is problem but French and English are progress!
She’s a christkiller, what can one expect from her
all 3 are colonizers
@@RaidenWard Lol u seem to know little about how pre colonial expansions used to work. How is Arabic a colonial power?
All three are problem but Arab is worse because it continues to try to replace our language and French/ English doesn't do that...hope this helps your neurons to spark
@@DADA_._ No Arab is forcing you to be an Arab speaker. Maybe the reason why many Amazigh are becoming Arabized is because they move to Arab dominated cities, speak in Arabic and sometimes marry an Arab too. There is no problem in this and also keep in mind Morocco and other north African countries have communities where Amazigh and their culture still lives on. It wasn’t like they forced the Amazigh to abandon their culture.
Great video, thanks for making it!
7:40 awesome drawing… I have to wonder what that life was like. From what I've read Bedouin Christians are near extinction. The sights the sounds the richness must have been something to behold.
The girl on the screenshot of your video is not berber. Shes part of the ouled nail tribe. Their arabs
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Yes, she is from banu hiIai tribe
@@SarahHaddid
What are an Arab tribe doing in North Africa ?
Thanks for remember it
firstly I would say that a large part of what you say is false, there were several tribes of Arab origin in North Africa including Sanhaja, in addition even among the "Berbers" we can distinguish several origins, Herodotus counted four large populations in North Africa at his time; The Greeks, the (Black) Ethiopians, the Libyans and the Phoenicians, I remind you that the Romans considered the "Black Gaetulians" as the true indigenous people of the region, furthermore the study of DNA shows us that there has two majority strains "E78" which dates between 9500 and 12000 years and "E81" which dates between 2500 and 3000 years which corresponds exactly with the arrival of the Phoenicians whose language was Semitic, even Saint Augustine said that where he was going preached he needed an interpreter from Latin to the Punic that the populations spoke, which explains the ease with which Arabic spread, therefore the summary that you make which is taken from the Pseudo French Historians who through their work wanted no more divide and conquer
Excellent talk, I don't know if you're familiar with Frank Herbert's DUNE but I was told that Fremen is a direct translation of Freeman in one of the Berber languages. How true would you say this is?
That's an interesting question. Unfortunately, I cannot answer. I don't know any of the Amazigh variations :) However, there are many speakers in the comments. Maybe try your luck with one of them?
I noticed some kind of similarities with english, but who knows, like imagine in Arabic " Earth " is "ard" same as english, and earth isn't a borrowed word from Arabic as Giraffe or alcohol or else but it's an old english and germanic word, and same for Arabic "Ard" is an old word.
Interesting how your accent is like a mix of mainly (general) British and (general) American 🙂
Note: I meant it as mainly both british and american. Not mainly british. It's actually a bit more american than british
As a non-native, oddities are bound to happen. The most important is that I manage to convey the message across :)
I always wondered about this topic.
firstly I would say that a large part of what you say is false, there were several tribes of Arab origin in North Africa including Sanhaja, in addition even among the "Berbers" we can distinguish several origins, Herodotus counted four large populations in North Africa at his time; The Greeks, the (Black) Ethiopians, the Libyans and the Phoenicians, I remind you that the Romans considered the "Black Gaetulians" as the true indigenous people of the region, furthermore the study of DNA shows us that there has two majority strains "E78" which dates between 9500 and 12000 years and "E81" which dates between 2500 and 3000 years which corresponds exactly with the arrival of the Phoenicians whose language was Semitic, even Saint Augustine said that where he was going preached he needed an interpreter from Latin to the Punic that the populations spoke, which explains the ease with which Arabic spread, therefore the summary that you make which is taken from the Pseudo French Historians who through their work wanted no more divide and conquer
Prophet Muhammad ﷺ said:"All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a White has no superiority over a Black nor a Black has any superiority over a White except by piety and good deeds.”✨
Yes, most religions teach the same but obviously people ignore this otherwise the world wouldn’t be in the state it is in today.
The most logical reason is religion, amazigh chose to be Muslims and speaking Arabic is essential because Coran is written in Arabic and also prayers are in Arabic.
Yes, but many countries are muslim and have arabic as a second language, no need to abandon it. If it were like that then why did God create THEIR language? I don't think it's a valid reason, but you might be right.
firstly I would say that a large part of what you say is false, there were several tribes of Arab origin in North Africa including Sanhaja, in addition even among the "Berbers" we can distinguish several origins, Herodotus counted four large populations in North Africa at his time; The Greeks, the (Black) Ethiopians, the Libyans and the Phoenicians, I remind you that the Romans considered the "Black Gaetulians" as the true indigenous people of the region, furthermore the study of DNA shows us that there has two majority strains "E78" which dates between 9500 and 12000 years and "E81" which dates between 2500 and 3000 years which corresponds exactly with the arrival of the Phoenicians whose language was Semitic, even Saint Augustine said that where he was going preached he needed an interpreter from Latin to the Punic that the populations spoke, which explains the ease with which Arabic spread, therefore the summary that you make which is taken from the Pseudo French Historians who through their work wanted no more divide and conquer
@@lebladfulSanjaha are not of West Asian origin. There have been scattered pre-Islamic micro migrations from Western Asia to North Africa but archeological finds have proven the indigenous presence of Sanhaja dates back to the Neolithics. Matter of fact, Sahraouis are specifically of Sanhaja ancestry. I also carry some Asian dna, but that doesn’t mean I‘m of Asian origin.
„Chose to be Muslim“. Then explain the Kharijite revolt which defeated the Umayyad rule. Explain how & whySālih ibn Tarīf formed an indigenous Amazigh branch of Islam where the teaching were written & taught in Tamazight. This was a reaction to being treated as inferior by Arabs despite having converted to Islam & playing an essential role in spreading & establishing the faith. The indigenous new Islam based religion lasted for almost 3 centuries until it was annihilated by the Almoravids.
@@Koko70816chose ?? That is why hundreds of thousands of women were sent to the Middle East to be sold as sex slaves according to Islamic heritage. Or maybe those are not important to you ?
Congrats for this very interesting and informative video.
Thank you for the video! any other video on Tamazight language and Amazigh identity in Morocco?
I don't know what the future holds. I treat subjects that interest me and I'm interested in a wide variety of topics ^.^
@@nofridaynightplans okay, Good luck!
The indigenous people were also "Berberized," subject to "Frenchification" & American variant "Anglicisation" in the current fluctuating borders of Westphalian regions like "Morocco". ⚖
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very relevant and interesting informations on this still sensitive topic
Great video! I loved the thorough narration of the historical events. One remark however, as an Amazigh Kabyle from Algeria, i think you could've made the video longer if you addew that the post-European colobiql history of arabization and berber identity as it didn't stop at the migration of Bedouin arabs into the area, in fact, in the case of Algeria, the role of the post-independance gov played a huge role in the linguistic and ethnic dynamics especially since it was ruled for 2 decades by the pan-Arabist Boumediene-led FLN government. Boumediene effectively denigrated the assimilation of Berbers into algerian identity (especially Kabyles whom made up nearly a third of the national population, this defacto illegalization of the language made the prospects of arabization futher becoming al obligation, which culminated in the Berber Spring. Kabyle and Berber identities at large did recover, but the holdover from that period can still be felt, as you still have people who are visibly berber or of amazigh descent claiming that they "came from Yemen"
Thank you for this interesting contribution. I'll do better next time :) This could be a good topic for a subsequent video. All the best to you.
firstly I would say that a large part of what you say is false, there were several tribes of Arab origin in North Africa including Sanhaja, in addition even among the "Berbers" we can distinguish several origins, Herodotus counted four large populations in North Africa at his time; The Greeks, the (Black) Ethiopians, the Libyans and the Phoenicians, I remind you that the Romans considered the "Black Gaetulians" as the true indigenous people of the region, furthermore the study of DNA shows us that there has two majority strains "E78" which dates between 9500 and 12000 years and "E81" which dates between 2500 and 3000 years which corresponds exactly with the arrival of the Phoenicians whose language was Semitic, even Saint Augustine said that where he was going preached he needed an interpreter from Latin to the Punic that the populations spoke, which explains the ease with which Arabic spread, therefore the summary that you make which is taken from the Pseudo French Historians who through their work wanted no more divide and conquer
firstly I would say that a large part of what you say is false, there were several tribes of Arab origin in North Africa including Sanhaja, in addition even among the "Berbers" we can distinguish several origins, Herodotus counted four large populations in North Africa at his time; The Greeks, the (Black) Ethiopians, the Libyans and the Phoenicians, I remind you that the Romans considered the "Black Gaetulians" as the true indigenous people of the region, furthermore the study of DNA shows us that there has two majority strains "E78" which dates between 9500 and 12000 years and "E81" which dates between 2500 and 3000 years which corresponds exactly with the arrival of the Phoenicians whose language was Semitic, even Saint Augustine said that where he was going preached he needed an interpreter from Latin to the Punic that the populations spoke, which explains the ease with which Arabic spread, therefore the summary that you make which is taken from the Pseudo French Historians who through their work wanted no more divide and conquer
I’d really like to get some more insight. I’m working on animating African history around the 13th century (mainly the fall of the Ghana empire and rise of Mali mixed with their complex relationship with the Amazigh and Arabs. Great video❤
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Great video. Subscribed to your channel.
Thank you for the support :)
The Republic of Indonesia is the largest Islamic country in the world, and clearly illustrates that being (what you call) "Arabized" is not an inevitable consequence of being "Islamized". Similarly Malaysia.
Most Indonesians like most Muslims in the world(except maybe the middle east) don't know what they are saying when they memorize the Quran. That's because they memorize it in Arab, and just take what their imam says as face value. If most knew what it was saying in the quaran. Most would not have converted to Islam.
Also Indonesia I'm particular are having a greater increase of fundamentalist Muslims in their country because they are being arabized in due part by Saudi Arabia paying the bills to teach the Indonesian Muslim students true Islam.
So my question to you is do you love Afghanistan culture because you're going to love how it will be in Indonesia in a few decades if the true practicing Muslims get into power.
You might say "but that's not true Islam"
But it is, Indonesia was just out of reach of the arabs military to get you, but the words of their merchants was able to convince the upper class and then revolt and turn into a Muslim majority country.
There are many big cities in Morocco that speak the Zenata amazigh language such as Nador and Alhoceima, it's not exclusive to isolated communities, there are entire regions the size of some European countries that speak it, same for other amazigh languages such as tachelhit
Islamization accompanied by Arabization have also affected other regions a little further south of the Maghreb such as Sudan and Chad. If you can produce a video as exciting and instructive as this one, it would be TOP
Great idea - thank you.
nice video im glad youtube recommended you to me
Thank you for visiting the channel :)
Short answer: Roman and Ottoman Empire shaped the contemporary North Africans. It’s why west Asian Caucasian features are prevalent in the region today.
I love Morocco & the sheer variety of peoples & their varying degrees of inter-mixing. The spirit of the Atlas villages & Fez Al-Bali is by turns refreshing to the simple soul & intoxicating, a special mix with barakah ma sha Allah 🌺.
Nice presentation
Just came across your channel for the second time and I have to say you are gradually convincing me to give up on Friday night plans altogether 😅 I'm pretty interested in all the subjects you treat here, particularly on Maghreb, Sahel and Francophone Africa. Lots of love from Brazil!
And languages, of course 😂
🤣🤣🤣 This has to be the best comment ever written on this channel! Friday night plans are indeed so overrated. Better spend 'em here for sure 😌
Thank you for your comment! I laughed ^0^
@@nofridaynightplans je t'en prie ! ^^
Thank you for good content❤
firstly I would say that a large part of what you say is false, there were several tribes of Arab origin in North Africa including Sanhaja, in addition even among the "Berbers" we can distinguish several origins, Herodotus counted four large populations in North Africa at his time; The Greeks, the (Black) Ethiopians, the Libyans and the Phoenicians, I remind you that the Romans considered the "Black Gaetulians" as the true indigenous people of the region, furthermore the study of DNA shows us that there has two majority strains "E78" which dates between 9500 and 12000 years and "E81" which dates between 2500 and 3000 years which corresponds exactly with the arrival of the Phoenicians whose language was Semitic, even Saint Augustine said that where he was going preached he needed an interpreter from Latin to the Punic that the populations spoke, which explains the ease with which Arabic spread, therefore the summary that you make which is taken from the Pseudo French Historians who through their work wanted no more divide and conquer
Thank you for making my continuing education more interesting and rewarding. And free lol
Good see the true natives of north Africa not being presented as Sub-Saharan
This video is kinda focus more about the Morocco berbers and leaving out in the process Telemcen and history of The Amazigh Algerians, Lybians and Tunisians.
How egyptians, phenicians, cananaites, mesopotamians, yemenites became arab ? How anatlian became Turks ? How west salvic people became eastern german ?
What does arab mean?
#FreeYemen indeed. And tribal Oman was also never Arrub, they spoke more elegant-sounding languages like Mehri.
@@mmgxono mehri is as more spoken in Yemen but most Omanis are Arabs
@@ChromeMan04 "Most Omanis" meaning before the Syrian hillbillies wandered south, Oman indeed was not Arrub. Thanks for pointing out my initial point.
@@mmgxo you have no point you copin zoomali
Some facts : There is no such think as original language or religion (( languages and religions have always changed )) in Europe the Indo-European language replaced the previous languages only small pockets survived such as the basque language and Christianity replaced native European religions , by contrast in the Mideast and North Africa the Afroasiatic language ( which most likely originated in Egypt replaced the languages of the Mideast and North Africa and continue to this day as the dominant language in the Mideast Semitic an Afroasiatic language replaced the dominant Caucasian languages such as the Sumerian language which is non Semitic and spoken in Iraq and Arabia , eventually many Semitic languages were born and replaced each other there were many motivation including trade as a language for communication between populations for example the Assyrian empire adopted Aramaic as the official language although Assyrians were not Aramaic the reason they did so was because it was commonly used to communicate even the Persians after conquering the Mideast adopted Aramaic rather then Persian , the Roman’s also changed the official language of the Roman empire from Latin the language of the Roman to Greek because it was the language spoken by the eastern Mediterranean and thus slowly replaced Aramaic , in the US most of the population are not English in fact the largest European ethnicity in the US are Germans yet English became the language of the US mainly for communication between different European groups , even in the EU English is becoming the language of communication , and if you had a common European state with admixture English would replace the local languages gradually especially in mixed cities as most would use English to communicate while unmixed rural areas would speak the local language , furthermore although there are many Jewish ethnicity with different languages and origins they choose Hebrew to be their language out of religious reasons , and although Israel was established by Ashkenazi European Jews who native language is Yiddish they didn’t choose their native language to be the language of the state instead they chose Hebrew because of its religious values and to not alienate other Jews who’s native language is not Yiddish .
Just came by this channel and found your videos of great interest. Subscribed.
Thank you. Appreciated :)
The text is a little difficult to read whilst listening to what you are saying. Great video!
It's only intended for people who want to know a little more (since you simply cannot say everything in a video, lest it'd become too long).
Thank you for commenting, dear Tasneem
Im a amazigh from the riff mountains of the city alhoceima. I can confirm that we are not arabized. We still speak our own language and have our culture.
According to available data there are still millions of native Berber speakers in Maghreb, so the process of Arabization is far from complete. The linguistic situation is quite complex there, as French was also introduced as a colonial language in the 19th century and despite the efforts and policies of arabization introduced after the independence 60 years ago, the language is still present and widely spoken. Along with the recent Berber revival it makes the overall linguistic situation in the region very interesting.
Banu Hilal migrations brought around 500,000 to 1,000,000 additional Arabs in 11th century. I'm surprised there is no mention of that, it would have impacted the demographics significantly.
1 million hilalians 900 years ago will be 100millions by now. So, it's not exaggeration if we say all North Africans are Arabs.
@@SarahHaddid Pre-1900 world population growth was quite slow. Population of Maghreb in 1000 AD was over 5 million, so while this addition was substantial, they wouldn't suffice to make the majority.
@@jernejcesar Still, Arabs have always been the dominant group. There is no known genocide, or ethnic replacement of arabs in maghreb.
@@SarahHaddid Thats just not true... Arabs have never been the majority of the population. Even to this day they are severley out numbered.
“Banu Hilal migration” is mostly an exaggerated myth, pro-arabs try to use it as if it changed north africa when in reality it had little to no effect. The majority of them were killed and enslaved by the Almohads, arabization is mostly a colonial project that was pushed but the French and British. Before the 20th century arabism was way smaller in the Maghreb, it begin when the colonists were starting with the centralization of power and the installment of their puppet regimes that arabic was pushed as the lingua franca and the Amazigh population and their culture was getting marginalized.
I’m proud to be Muslim🤍from Libya 🇱🇾 ethnicy doesn’t matter Berbers Arabs Non-Arabs we’re All brothers in ISLAM We’re All Muslims ❤. Love to All Muslims around the world 🌎
Prophet Muhammad ﷺ said:"All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a White has no superiority over a Black nor a Black has any superiority over a White except by piety and good deeds.”❤
Does Islam encourage arabization and assimilation?
@@Koko70816 Islam does not encourage Arabization or cultural assimilation in the sense of imposing Arab culture or language on others. Islam is a universal religion that emphasizes faith, piety, and submission to Allah rather than cultural or ethnic identity. While Arabic is the language of the Qur'an and Islamic rituals, such as prayer, Islam teaches that no ethnic group, including Arabs, is superior to others. The Prophet Muhammad explicitly stated in his farewell sermon, "An Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab, nor does a non-Arab have any superiority over an Arab; a white person has no superiority over a black person, nor does a black person have any superiority over a white person, except by piety and good action."
Islam embraces cultural diversity, as long as the practices within a culture do not contradict Islamic principles. The preservation of one's native language, customs, and traditions is respected, provided they are in harmony with the values of the faith. Thus, Islam promotes unity in belief and practice, not uniformity in culture or language.❤️
@@Koko70816 Islam is a global religion with followers from diverse ethnic, cultural, and geographical backgrounds. African, Amazigh, Arab, Asian, European, Latin American, and many other peoples all embrace Islam. This diversity is seen as a strength within the Islamic community, often referred to as the *Ummah*, which unites Muslims under shared faith, not ethnicity or race.
The unity in Islam is built on the principle of *Tawheed* (the oneness of Allah) and the shared belief in the Qur'an and the teachings of the Prophet Muhammad. This transcends cultural, racial, or national boundaries. Islam encourages mutual respect and the idea that piety and good deeds are the only things that truly differentiate individuals in the eyes of Allah.🤍
Indeed a kind of Colonization. Like Rome romanized western europe, italy and Romania.. but were they roman as ethnic group or just civil ?
One of the best (and most uncommon) things about TH-cam is when you come across a video that addresses a topic that you've wondered about for a long time. Ever since I learned (some 45-50 years ago) that north Africa was populated by "Arabs" (and that this is apparently the reason everyone separates "sub-Saharan Africa" from North Africa), I've wondered why this is, how far back it went that these people were known as Arabs. I remember watching Anwar Sadat on television and trying to figure out if he "looked" Arab. In short, this topic has been in the back of my mind for a long time. I hoped someday that a little missing piece of a jigsaw puzzle would fall into place, answering this old question of mine.
But alas, it was not to be. Young Miss No Friday Night Plans, while doing an expert job at addressing this question, also made it clear there was no one moment when the Berbers became Arabs. History is messy, and this story was messy, and so while I found no joy in learning the answer, I do take comfort at now being a bit more knowledgeable than I was. Thank you.
Thank you for your comment and support - appreciated. The main point of the video is to determine why some, here North Africans, abandoned their languages in favor of another. As I specify in the video, arabised is to be understood as "a region where Arabic became the dominant language". North Africans are bound to be among the most ethnically diverse peoples on the planet for objective historical reasons.
An acquaintance of mine used to say that, despite being Chleuh and thus a native speaker of Tachelhit, he was proud to be an "Arab" because being Arab is defined as "having an excellent command of the Arabic language". This was the main motto of Panarabism. In this video, I have stated the objective historical reasons why the Amazigh tribes usually favored Arabic in the development of their State tradition. It is unfortunate this whole comment section has turned into a feud in favor of one ethnic group against another.
Thank you again for your support.
I am both riffian and arab , and i take pride in both of my origins . It's a shame that my great grandparents didn't teach my grandparents riffia , otherwise i would've been speaking it now 😢
It's never too late to start learning a language ;) Especially, when that language is still very much alive.
@@nofridaynightplans You are right of course , it's just the lack of online resources and me living in marrakech (with barely any riffian population) that is making it hard for me , but i promised myself to learn it even if it means living in Nador for a few years !
Willing to bet you are not "both", you just say that due to a particular mindset that pervades North Africa. That is part of the problem ya know. You cannot preserve something that you cannot even prioritize.
@@mmgxo No, i say that because i am a descendant of Moulay Idriss the first ,who was an arab, i know my origins and i don't need anyone telling me what i am and what i'm not.
@@mmgxothe north africans, wether Arab or Berber or both.
Are Arab-Berbers
It doesn’t make sense to call them only berber or only arab.
This is what I understand specifically of the country of Morocco yes, normally they speak Arabic and the Arabic they speak is so different from classical Arabic or like Egyptian Arabic that it’s been highly influenced by. For instance the language and many words from the Spanish language are still used.
There’s many reasons for this part of Spain, ejected all the Islamic Muslim people many of them just want to cross to Morocco and quite a few Moroccans can identify their ancestry from Spain
Since no one lives in the vacuum and Islamic people can move to Spain and have been for over 100 years or even more there are quite a few people of Moroccan descent, and even quite a few Sephardic Jews who moved to Spain from Morocco
In fact, the preferred European languages in Morocco these days are Spanish are French and through the 20 century are English
Arabic in even the form that’s indigenous now to Morocco isn’t really favored
So it would be surprised me amazigh Language is alive and well and his preference by people who speak it because they want to maintain their cultural identity along with speaking French and Spanish and English
It certainly is beneficial to speak a language, with people who have more wealth affluence, and maybe cultural acceptance, like the people who speak French in Spanish and English, then people who are rather domineering and culturally limiting who speak Arabic
This goes also true for people from Tunisia and I wouldn’t be surprised with people from Algeria, which at one time was part of France
I also understand there was also a version of African Latin or vulgar Latin that existed at one time they certainly would make the French language and the Spanish language, and the Italian language quite easy for the people to pick up even centuries
For such a well made and interesting video, that was the weirdest pronunciation of the word "Catholic" that i have ever heard.
This Middle East religion already has North Africa, parts of South Asia, Southeast Asia, and Central Asia, the Islam doesn’t need anymore victimhood status, it already has statue in its regions
The topic seems to be emotionally extremely charged because a lot of comments here are really weird. Nonetheless, the fact remains: Despite all cultural richness & diversity the ancient conquests by Mediterranean Europe & Western Asia of Northern Africa, paved the way for the loss of indigenous power for the entire continent. Btw, Guanches were only the Amazigh of Teneriffa. All Amazigh tribes of the Canary Islands are referred to as Canarios antiguos = ancient Canarians
On one hand you have stories like this where you feel the natives folklore is being erased and lost, on the other when you see depictions or decriptions of Ancient Rome by the average enthusiast, it's very hard for them to fathom that many of its citizens, leaders and even emperors were not only Native North Africans, but also Middle Eastern. The Arab and Islamic hatred of current has people whitewashing the fact that the Roman Empire was 90% MENA and composed mostly of them as citizens, but still when they visit a ruin in the Middle East or North Africa, they will say ''oh the romans built that'' as if forgetting that maybe the locals themselves were THE ROMANS? As in citizens of Rome? They always treat the natives like savages who got brought all these architecture and development as if it wasn't the Assyrians who developed plumbing as early as 2000BC to construct the Hanging Gardens of Babylon which required extensive irrigation, etc. The ''Romans'', these people almost always exclusively depicted by British and European folks in movies, are always attributed to be the ones who developed these lands when the reality is that native civilizations had been trading and established there since 3000BC - we have scripts in cuneiforms or tifinagh and tablets depicting trades, commerce, economy, society, codes of ruling like the Code of Hammurabi. Let's never forget that 90% of Roman citizens were MENA people and we greatly contributed to building it and establishing an empire which was on our soil mostly but you know they like to whitewash their views on history and for some reason seem so enamored with the folklore of warfare and roman imperialism, failing to realize Romans were also modern day Spanish, Moroccans, Algerians, Tunisians, Egyptians, Lybians, Syrians, Lebanese, Palestinians, Greeks, Macedonians, Serbs, Croats, who basically established dominance over each other one province after an other until the Empire reached it's largest. And the most famous Roman gladiator was not an English guy named Russell but a Syria Province born man who fought under the name of Flama with over 30 victories in the Coliseum...But let them believe their fantasies that the Romans were white guys who conquered the Mediterranean. It was almost strictly a Mediterranean business and to do with all countries bordering the sea. The Italians certainly can claim to have started and built the foundations of a great Empire but they also will hardly mention how after Julius Caesar the power passed over to many provincial emperors coming from Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, etc...They don't like to mention those Roman Emperors and the likely 300 years of MENA driven provincial reign over Rome.
I hope this opens your eyes on the erasure of our MENA contributions to history. You can fact check everything I have said, and with enough logic in your judgment you will begin to see the truth in my point. Just looking at a map of what constituted Rome at its biggest, you will wonder how 85% of its citizens and inhabitants are being erased and diminished from history just for who they are by European and not even Mediterranean white supremacists who have romantic views on imperialism.
I’m Libyan 🇱🇾,The Arabs (Muslims) did not come on their own; rather, they came in response to the calls of Christians and Amazigh in North Africa, Christians in Syria, and Palestine, seeking liberation from the oppression, injustice, and tyranny of the Romans who had occupied their lands. Under Roman rule, Christians and Amazigh faced heavy taxation and harsh treatment, which led some families to sell their children into slavery to pay off their debts. The early Muslim conquests were seen as a form of liberation from this exploitation, offering more just and equitable governance. Muslims did not force anyone to accept Islam, as the Qur’an clearly states, “There is no compulsion in religion” (2:256).
Additionally, the culture in Libya remains largely the same. We still have the same food, clothes, and traditions that existed before Islam, but we have abandoned practices that conflict with Islamic teachings, such as pagan rituals. Islam is a religion, not an ethnicity, and it unites Muslims across various backgrounds-Amazigh, Arabs, Africans, Asians, Europeans, and Latin Americans alike
Can we talk about how Arabs in Islam golden age appropriated from many things that belonged to Hindus and Persians such as Algebra, vision science and a long list of etc. Arabian night are not even Arabian but Persian/hindu.
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firstly I would say that a large part of what you say is false, there were several tribes of Arab origin in North Africa including Sanhaja, in addition even among the "Berbers" we can distinguish several origins, Herodotus counted four large populations in North Africa at his time; The Greeks, the (Black) Ethiopians, the Libyans and the Phoenicians, I remind you that the Romans considered the "Black Gaetulians" as the true indigenous people of the region, furthermore the study of DNA shows us that there has two majority strains "E78" which dates between 9500 and 12000 years and "E81" which dates between 2500 and 3000 years which corresponds exactly with the arrival of the Phoenicians whose language was Semitic, even Saint Augustine said that where he was going preached he needed an interpreter from Latin to the Punic that the populations spoke, which explains the ease with which Arabic spread, therefore the summary that you make which is taken from the Pseudo French Historians who through their work wanted no more divide and conquer
i am arab ✅from morocco not berber ❌
Mauritania is subsaharan Africa with a black majority population.
Still mauritanian arabs are ethnic arabs and they will remain as such.
The combination of history and language is highly interesting and educational.
Thanks for your immense work. I appreciate it highly.
Thank you for your kind words Carola. I also find this combination interesting! I must say I learn a lot too ^.^ All the best!
How tf is the Fatimid Caliphate Amazigh?
If this were a live conference, is this how you'd have phrased your question?
I'm always happy to acknowledge possible mistakes and correct them if need be. My understanding is that the Caliphate was made possible by the Ketamas, whatever the claims to potential prophetic lineage.
The bulk of its militant forces were of Kutama tribe of modern day Kabyle Region
@@nofridaynightplans Sorry, but it was such a intermediary mistake. The Fatimids were an Arab dynasty that claimed descent from Fatima, the daughter of Imam Ali, hence the name "Fatimids". They did rely, initially, on the Kutama Amazigh tribe, but once they relocated to Egypt, they began relying on Armenians, Slavs, Turks, and Nubians.
the Amazigh movement is hijacking of every cuIture and history to itself. lmao
Pan Arabism before used to advocate if you spoke Arabic and embraced the identity, then you are Arabic. Sadly this is changing with loss of that way of thinking. Now we are all busy with our own little problems
Iranians resisted arabization 🇮🇷
Thank God they resisted it. ❤ But unfortunately Iran is under demonic Islamic regime the "Aytollah" 🤮
My country is not Arab country and I'm thankful of it. But unfortunately we have dictatorship. I'm from Eritrea 🇪🇷 ❤️🇮🇷 🗡🦁
still are Islamic tho- as if that makes if better
there are about 15 million arabs in lran, south of lran is solely populated by arabs. Arabs of lran are ethnic arabs
40% yoiur language came from arabic your people dress like arabs
@SarahHaddid there arent 15 million arabs, idk who told u that. We have 1 million arabs and def not 15 mil
The first thing we did to become Arabs through Islam was to crush two armies of the Arab Umayyads in battle and expel their oppressive rulers. Then we knew that God wanted us to rule our land ourselves and not through the Arabs, and Islam gave us the opportunity to build our own empire after we had been subject for centuries to foreigners, the Greeks, the Romans, the Vandals and the Byzantines.
Great video on a great topic that is seldom discussed. TY (immediate and enthusiastic subscription, of course).
I beg to disagree with you on Latin only spreading to Indoeuropean areas: many non-Indoeuropeans were also very strongly Latinized (Etruscans, Ligurians, Sardinians, Corsicans, Iberians and Tartessians at the very least), while some remote Indoeuropeans like the Britons retained their language until today (Welsh). In North Africa we know that the Latinization of the former Phoenician cities was quite strong and that at least the elites spoke Latin regularly, for example Septimius Severus (the first not-really Italian Roman Emperor, who had an accent anyhow) or Augustin of Hippo, whose texts show that North African Latin had the same "betacist" tendency (confusing "v" and "b") as Iberian one (Omniglot had a good video on that). Latin linguistic hegemony continued under the Vandals and Byzantines (who had not yet shifted to Greek as official language) but was of course limited to whatever the actual borders of Africa province were.
As for foreign arrivals through history a key marker is Y-DNA J2, which may signal Semitic or even Roman immigration (J2 was spread into West Europe mostly by Roman settlement for sure but in North Africa is more likely to signify Phoenician or Arab inflow, I guess), Turkish settlement would also be associated. Asmahan Bekada, Lara R. Arauna et al. ("Genetic Heterogeneity in Algerian Human Populations", PLoS ONE 2015) found only very low frequencies of this outsider lineage in Algeria, concentrated in Algiers (6% in one sample, 0% in the other) and Oran (5% in one sample, 1% in the other), elsewhere it was absent. An older study from the same main author (Asmahan Bekada et al., "Introducing the Algerian Mitochondrial DNA and Y-Chromosome Profiles into the North African Landscape", PLoS ONE 2013) found (table S6) 5% J2 in Algeria, 3% in Tunisia (surprisingly low IMO), 1% in Morocco and 0% in Libya. All this supports what you said in the video about the small figures of the various invader groups, especially the Arabs.
Best wishes from the Basque Country.
Thank you so much for this very informative comment! I sincerily appreciate it. The study I read indicated that Latin had tended to take root on IE substrates, while it was the opposite for Arabic. But it's interesting to know that non-IE peoples were indeed latinised. I don't know much, not to say anything at all, about the genetics of the people you mentioned, but thank you for sharing the information.
@@nofridaynightplans - I concur that IE peoples, most of them of the same Celto-Italic stock as the Latins, would have been more easily assimilated not just in language but in culture by the Romans but the Etruscans and the Iberians/Tartessians were more civilized and that's also a gateway by which the overall Roman civilization (and language) penetrated, following on the steps of the more modest Phocaean Greek colonies (Marseilles notably, very adept at befriending the Iberians and Ligurians and bumping heads with the Phoenicians and Celts).
The Iberians and ancient Sardinians were Vasconic (i.e. related to Basques and descendants from mainline European Neolithic peoples of Anatolian roots) for sure, the Ligurians probably too but there is debate for lack of evidence, the Tartessians are a mystery but definitely pre-Indoeuropean. The Etruscans were a very different group (Tyrsenians, also documented in Lemnos), probably from the Aegean, also pre-Indoeuropean and were key in the formation of Rome, which they ruled for a long time and gave many cultural elements, including the precursor of this very Latin alphabet we're using.
A phonetic fact that may have ever so slightly helped with Latinization in the case of Vasconic peoples is the shared five vowel system. Most Romances have now diverged from that but Spanish (Castilian) notably retains it very well (save for long vowels not anymore in use) and that's surely because it has strong Basque influence. Some ancient Roman whose name I can't recall said that the Aquitanii (as Basques were known in those days) spoke a very good Latin, while in Rome apparently almost everyone did it wrongly. This may have been because of similar phonetics, I guess.
But the main factor is IMO how strongly were the Romans invested in each province and district. Places like Baetica (Andalusia), where Italian colonization was very strong (about 20% of Andalusian ancestry seems to be Roman/Italian) Latin surely became dominant very quickly, while in remote areas like Mauretania, Britain or NW Spain/SW France, that Latin education was surely limited to the elites at best. In North Africa there must have been a strong distinction between Africa Province, especially the Phoenician cities, and Mauritania and other relatively remote areas, where Roman domination was lax and perceived as distant.
@@LuisAldamiz Very interesting. Would you have recommended sources to share about the pre-IE history of Iberians? Many thanks!
@@nofridaynightplans - I used to have a blog on the wider issues of prehistory, population genetics and general anthropology, which has some articles and references on the matter and others. However nowadays posting any links at YT comments seems to be totally shadow-censored (i.e. your comment seems to go through and then vanishes, sometimes you can even get "spam" warnings). In my experience even naming the blog (which absolutely legit and hosted by Blogger, i.e. Alphabet, the same company that owns YT) results in the same kind of shadow-censored. So I'll give you the details (no links) in separate replies you might be able to read as notification but will almost certainly be deleted anyhow.
@@nofridaynightplans - Search for a blog called "For what they were... we are" and, once there, search for "ancient Iberians" or something like that. There's a chronological index at the bottom right but it's many years long.
Searching for "Sardinians" or "Basque origins" should also produce interesting results. Cheers.
Do you know where other part of the world, Berber language is still spoken???
Pre-islamic Mauritanians were Ruled by Romanised Amazighs
(Mauro-roman), Caecilius being a rulers who Resisted The Umayyad invasion .
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11:11 there were viable alternatives. tamazight languages was as divergent as arabic ones. and they have had a script for quite a long time. it was simply a matter of prestige.
Arabic was generalized after 1956, the independence of Morocco, through the school system and media. More than 95% of Moroccans were illiterate back in 1955. After the process of Arabization led by the post independence government, Moroccan Darija is still heavily influenced by Amazigh language and it is still being intelligible by Arabic speakers from the Middle East.
If you bring this up when talking about how ancient Egyptians are not the modern day Arab Egyptians, everyone starts tweeking 😂
They aren’t genetically Arab, they are culturally Arab, their original culture was diluted and was changed due to Arab conquest. They are still the descendants of the ancient Egyptians. Egyptian Christians still use Coptic as their liturgical language.
Saudis are genetically very close to Ancient Egyptians due to high Natufian blood
The closest people to ancient Egyptians are the Copts, followed by Saudi Arabians and Yemenis.
Modern Egyptian Muslims have a lot of Sub Saharan blood therefore they’re not close to ancient Egyptians
Because it's wrong
The opposit the Carthagenians came to Lebanon a couple of centuries earlier, they were part of the sea people. Lebanon was priced by the sea people because of the cider forest.
It’s important to note that Caliphate Omar opposed expansion into the Maghreb ( to avoid being part of the internal conflicts between the tribes in the Maghreb and he also argued that the Muslim caliphate was to large if a dog is hungry i would face God for not providing for him ) after the Rashidun Caliphate passed away the umayyad took over the Caliphate and they faced an invasion by the Byzantines who attacked Egypt from Tunisia this forced the umayyad leadership to secure both the Maghreb and Iberia to prevent the Byzantines ( Romans ) from using it as a base to attack them , after the full of the umayyad caliphate leadership they sought refuge in the Maghreb and they were protected by Berber tribes ( Amazigh )this highlights that the relationship between the Berbers and Umayyad’s were strong to the point they refused to deport the Umayyads to the Abbasid Caliphate despite the request from the Abbasid Caliphate , it is also important to note that the Maghreb conquest history was written centuries later and a lot of propaganda was inserted , in fact although the Gospels were written 40 to 50 years after Jesus many fabricated stories were inserted , according to the biblical scholar Bart D. Ehrman Christian authors fabricate stories and forge books to attack their opponents , and let’s not forget that the enemies of the Umayyad’s wrote their history centuries after them , furthermore according to the biblical scholar Bart D. Ehrman the Quran was well preserved by contrast the Gospels was not well preserved in short the Gospels are like the Hadith and Muslim history it continue lots of fabrication because it was written by people who didn’t witness the events and only collected circulated information and this information were changed , by contrast the Quran was memorized the Gospels and Muslim Hadith ( history ) was not , thus we must not take the history of the conquest of the Maghreb by the Umayyad’s as facts since they were written centuries after the events and the Umayyad’s greatest enemy were the Shittes who spread a lot of fake news about them and played a key role in overthrowing them ( and played a key role in presenting them as unjust and racist by contrast natural Christian sources of that time viewed the Umayyad more favorably , thus we must not blindly believe in historical books written centuries after the event even if there was no other source which unfortunately encourages us to use the available sources even if it’s not reliable .
The area got easily arabized Mostly because of the zawaya that still exists until nowadays , and good point you mentioned that people start identify as Arabs to get more respect because of the religion origins this why most of people say they are from bedouin or hilal tribes rather than roman african who could be possible more than anything else , but arabization of Morocco for example completed in 50s with the rise of arabism in the middle east , I feel sad when I hear someone identify himself as an arab from middle east origins rather than Moroccan or Amazigh origin , it feels like Moroccan with french nationality living in france
Morocco, Algeria and Libya should revive their native language and make it the official language.
There is no ethnic group or linguistic group or racial group called 'Berbers' in Africa. This is a foreign term derived from Barbarous introduced by the ancient Greeks referring to tribal oeople in Europe (Barbarians) and Africa (the French word Berber is borrowed from Arabic Al Barbar borrowed from Latin/Greek 'Barbarous).
The Greeks arrived in Africa in 810 BC founding colonies of Apollonia, Barca, Euesiperidis (Bengazi), Tripolitania, Cyrene (Cyrenaica), Taucheria, Naucratis
In Africa, the various tribes that were known to the Greeks from the Maghreb (what is now Morocco) to the Beja of the Red Sea and the Nilotics south of Kush were all labelled Berber. These African tribes of the Mediterrenian included the Gaetuli of Morocco, the Amonni of Algetia, Phazani of Algeria, Afuri of Tunisia, Libu of Libya, Garamantee of Libya, Beja of south-east Egypt and others. The descendants of these tribes are the mixed people of North Africa and the African tribes of West Africa, Sahara and East Africa.
These tribes spoke difference languages of Mande, Chadic, Sudanic (in the case of Libyan tribes).
The descendants of Greeks who arrived in 810 BC had 700 years later in 100 BC founded the polity of Numidia, an Afro-Greek state allied to Rome.
After conquered Carthage, and Numidia divolved into the Roman Empire, some Numidians founded founded the Kingdom of Mauretania under the Juba dynasty in 63 AD.
Moroccans, and Mauritanians now called Amazigh are descendants of those Mauretanians of Numidia. North African caucasians also descend from Greeks/Numidians, Phoenicians/Carthage, Romans, Vandals (Germans), Anatolian (Byzantines), Arabs and Spanish Musllims who fled the Inquisitions.
Before the Arab conquest and spread of Islam; the caucasian people of North Africa spoke Latin
The African peoples spoke their own native languages including creole languages of the Mauretanians in hinterland of Algeria and Morocco. It is creole because various languages have contributed to the language now called Tamazight including ancient Greeks (Ionian and Dorian), Latin, Gaetuli (a Mande people), Phazani (a Mande or Chadic people), Amonni (a Chadic), Gilimante/Garamante and Afuri assumed to be a Chadic speaking group. German of the Vandals also contributed immensely in both genetics and language as the Byzantines scattered the Germans into the interior of Africa as punishment for having sacked Rome.
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A lot of people seem to have a lack of knowledge of the region’s history and are acting as if they know a thing or two about this matter. First of all, this video has a lot of misinformation. She said that the Saharan Amazigh didn’t covert until the 15th century….. well what about the Almoravids? They were Muslim Saharan Amazigh that existed in the 11th century. Secondly she claimed the Amazigh were treated by Arabs as second class despite both working together to maintain a foothold on Iberia. The example of Tariq Ibn Ziyad throws that whole argument to the bin. Tariq was so respected that there is even a mountain named after him that even Arabs recognized. If the Amazigh were Arabized, why are the sous and many other Amazigh areas that also have Arab tribes in those areas still dominated by Amazighs who maintained their culture??? The Amazigh (don’t call them Berber as that is offensive) AND the Egyptians both willingly accepted Islam and co existed with Arabs for a long time. Of course there were a minority of people who got into disputes but thats the case in every nation, especially between white and black Americans. A big percentage of Amazigh people have even married with Arabs so the idea that The Amazigh have had their identity taken away is false. In Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia and Libya for example, The Amazigh themselves have their own regions and communities. Many of them choose to migrate to Arab majority cities. A lot of Amazigh are fluent in Arabic too. Stop trying to cause issues between Arabs and Amazigh. You have to understand how the world used to work prior to colonialism and imperialism. The world was different than it is now and survival was emphasized a lot more.
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Prophet Muhammad PBUH said:"All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a White has no superiority over a Black nor a Black has any superiority over a White except by piety and good deeds.”❤