INTP Versus ENTJ Relationship Compatibility
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Intp female here. My late husband was an Entj. We had a great relationship. From our first meeting, we found a kindred spirit in each other. We got married after 3 dates (discussions mostly). He valued my insights greatly and would always talk to me about everything, even about his workplace .. I was happy to let him plan and make decisions for our family. He might have been formidable at work, but at home, he was patient and understanding and let me get away with things, a lot. I realize this is one of those in a blue moon thing and I don't thing I'll ever find anyone this perfect again.. but I seem to only like and get along with ENTJs only. Out of all my siblings, only my Entj brother can understand me, the rest think I am weird.
What happend ?
@@jonathanreave8558 He died of nasopharyngeal cancer at 33. The doctors gave him a year but he fought all the way for 7years and never complained all the times that he wasn't feeling comfortable. He was motivated to live..
@@sandrakohbc9884 hey, sorry for your loss, I am sure you guys had great memories.
@@asanoyamamoto7527 Thank you. He left the best of memories that I know I will never experience again. At least I have these forever..
ENTJ here.
I love INTPs and ISTPs I find the ISTP somewhat frustrating but there's this inner intensity about them I can see in their eyes like a fire. Also I like the gentleness of INTPs, they're like children at heart, until they become super experienced in many other arenas that child like side might just go away which I fear, I love that kid side of them. I think I can find what I like in all types, the world is much more colorful when your understanding thereof grows.
Though you grow also in sorrow knowing the painful truth as well, and it seems like most people are cut off from this truth either by bliss ignorance or someone has blinded them.
I'd like to be your friend.
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INTP girl here. I'd agree with most everything in this video. I've always found ENTJs very fascinating! I've been researching to figure out why, and I think it could be the intelligence factor. ENTJs seem to have a self-assured intellect about them that they exude in a concentrated way. Perhaps I find this so fascinating because their thinking pattern is different from mine, and even if their ideas are flawed, there's something respectable or intriguing about them. It's like a love-hate with how they come to quick decisions and don't always question things, and I can see it being vice-versa for the ENTJ looking at the INTP. I respect the ability to quickly make a GENERALLY sound decision, but it also annoys me because I don't see the need to move forward. I feel like there's an expectation from ENTJs that, when I'm tackling my research topic for the day, or am good at something, I ought to do something with that information. Still, I love challenging and picking apart an ENTJ. The ones I know do it to everyone else, after all.
If the ENTJ has a bunch of tires, they get the best ones, and make a car because that works. It gets them somewhere, but they might forget the price of gas. They decide to design a better car and revolutionize the industry. The INTP will collect thousands of tires, eventually decide to make a tire swing, and think about the rest of the tires, and where they'll get more tires, while they swing. The ENTJ drives past, sees the tires, and immediately thinks of how to use them, and what the INTP will use them for. The INTP keeps swinging, and later improves the tire, gets in it, puts on the seatbelt they added, flips the air purifying switch, and rolls around for transportation. It's probably better for the environment, too.
I had a little too much fun with the analogies there. I'm currently writing a book with an ENTJ male and an ESTP female relationship. Do you have any information on this dynamic, or ESTPs and ENTJs in general? I look forward to your next videos.
INTJ + INTP is a great combo, INTJs are more dreamy and focused on understanding and less about getting stuff done so they can relate better to an INTP. I'm not sure though if ENTJ + ENTP is a good combo.
ENTJ + INTJ is a natural combination as well as ENTP + INTP.
In the middle you made jokes about INTPs not really caring about how they're perceived. You are totally right. But people are more likely to see ENTPs as awkward than INTPs, especially sensors. INTPs do a better job of hiding their awkwardness. But even though ENTPs come off as very awkward to sensors, intuitives usually find them charming.
And INTPs don't show it, but they are some of the most confident people you will meet. Einstein is the classical example. When a book challenging his theories known as "100 authors against Einstein" was published, his only response was "If I were wrong, one would have been enough!" I can relate to this strongly. If I'm working on something I'm new to and an expert tells me something I disagree with, I won't hesitate. This confidence has many times lead to me discovering a deeper truth or something wrong with the current mindset. It also has many times lead to wasted effort.
The ENTJ and INTJ is not a natural combination. This combination is even more difficult than pairing an INTP with a ENTJ, though we are both critical thinking types we get to our conclusions a bit differently. The ENTJ and the INTJ is like thor vs loki, they are related yet rivaling each other as 2 brothers fighting for the throne would. It's a epic battle and these two combating are brutal timing fighters, and very violent with little remorse for their opponents.
These are heavy weights and can turn off their Fi/Fe to get the job done. It's almost amazing really, King kong vs god zilla.
These two bump heads like crazy the hurricane meets a volcano and it just got real! It's hard to get these two to co-operate and it's difficult to explain that.
No, the INTJ do reach a conclusion it just takes them longer to do so than it would typically a ENTJ. Style of communication between these 2 tyrants are different but many of their functions are very similar.
I can see the ENTP and ENTJ getting along very well, also The INTP and the INTJ because their strong focus on subjective data.
Mark Smith My best friends an INTP, Im an INTJ
I interpreted Einstein's phrase about only one counterargument being enough as an indication that he doesn't care about the amount of people that are against his ideas, which would be more of a feeler concern, but rather if the ideas are flawed then they should crumble on the basis of an argument. The remaining 99 arguments at that point, or those among them that were correct, would be redundant.
Mark Smith Si knows what we can
Kinda jealous of ENTJs, Te is such a grounded function. Ti can take you to outer space sometimes.
+Mark Smith I assume you are a feeler with inferior/tert Te because most people I know with Ti would never wish to have Te. In my eyes it is very stubborn and makes a lot of assumptions. It is good for getting things done, without a doubt.
they both have their pros and cons
Corah Sage i agree with everything you said.... i was just saying... im in some MBTI groups on FB and Te is frowned upon with lots of the Ti users. I was just generalizing.
you said "When I looked at my functions broken down, My Te/Ti, Ni/Ne, are ALL basically even to each other"
please dont tell me you trust those tests =/
***** there is no objective truth behind the functions. its all theory. socionics say each type has 8 functions with 8 roles. the "shadow functions" in MBTI, the 4 later roles are not only less prefered but much more difficult to use.
lets just assume its 100% preference.
someone that doesnt prefer logic is less logical.
i just realized i replied this to the wrong post. what you said on the other post is mostly true. i can definitely say i am not very good with my feeling functions (Ti dom), i assume it would be the same for IXFPs and thinking. again, i am speaking from experience. i think this is mostly a miscommunication problem. what would you say MBTI theories mean when they say that an IXFP has INFERIOR thinking (te) or EXFJ with inferior Ti?
My brother is an ENTJ, and I'm INTP. I annoy my brother so much when I go off on one of my rants or brainstorming sessions. He thinks that I'm coming up with a conclusion to the contrary when I am merely pointing out an outlier. No joke, we totally do what you were explaining about the smallpox; this is most of how our conversations begin, with him ending up frustrated because I prevent him from coming to a conclusion, and me upset because he's being stubborn and narrow minded. I have no idea how ENTJ and INTP make power couples. BUT my brother plans out great vacations and is a great dresser. I do make a great food taster for some reason, and can tell if taste is off or whatever, but that seems to be as far as it goes in terms of my sensing skills. Now that my type is finally clear, everything is just nail on the head. I just love it when a model fits perfectly.
I think the idea of a power couple comes from this idea of growth. The two places where the INTP and ENTJ conflicts is the same places they can help one another grow. When you both become exhausted enough you would want to meet in the middle and be fair to one another's views and if you ever reach this point you both will slowly grow and become better people because of this. The ENTJ doesn't like not having any ground to stand on so when you debunk or introduce another variable it's a wrench in his gear system xD What I wonder is how your introducing him these other variable's. He has to learn that if his argument cannot stand against any scrutiny than it's probably not a good argument. If you can keep introducing things that destroys his ideas he either needs to accepts that there are flaws and hope there's ways to fix them or try another idea.
I laughed so hard when you were giving the examples of the INTP's way of thinking😂 i am an infp but i get the way INTPs think, extending the possibilities, since i get the Ne
Thank you for these videos Chad! I'm an ENTJ interested in an INTP guy and this has really helped me understand why it seems so hit and miss.
I'm an INTP and I work with an ENTJ. He makes huge leaps of intuition and when he describes (skims) it to me I question all of the steps he leaves out because I don't see how he got to them. He makes overreaching statements like "This is exactly like that" when they are maybe 5% similar. I suspect that the speed that he operates at with his intuition greatly reduces the accuracy of his findings. If there is a "thinking fast" and "thinking slow" he only seems to use "thinking fast". He will ask me to look at something and then he will look at it too. I'll send him an email explaining it and he won't slow down enough to read it. I don't think of him as being oriented toward some generally accepted truth; I think he is biased toward what his own intuitions tell him - the IKEA effect. It must be embarrassing for him when later he says something and I point out that that was in the email I sent.
Lol this sounds funny, he sounds like a low functioning ENTJ. He probably don't know much about typology or the flaws and inconsistency within his own thinking which lands him in trouble. I am a ENTJ and a low functioning ENTJ in some ways irritate me just a little bit but over all they are like family to me because I know they'll understand more than the next man. Feelin all alone being rare. It's painful to see another EnTJ low functioning because my expectations for them are very high, because my expectations for myself is no different!
Here's one thing you've got to know and probably have already been sensing is that when a ENTJ lack the knowledge or data to support their ideas they then turn to their Ni function to make up for the lack thereof. I feel it's good for a ENTJ and INFP to pare up as a team because these two logic rational types can teach each other allot. A ENTJ needs to learn, it's food to his soul, he's depriving himself if he's not learning. Which can call on others if he's in a high position.
With great powers come with great responsibility.
As a neurodivergent entj, my intuition is generally spot on. We use a large amount of external data processed at hyper-efficient rates to reach to a desired outcome. It is uncanny how our insticts from 10,000ft are exceedingly accurate, we leave the nuts and bolts to others (intj etc)
Im an intp and this is hilarious. At least we aren't skeptics just for fun like entp's.
Not gonna lie ENTPs can drive me nuts with that, usually they are like the generals of the drones in a hive mind army sending chaos every direction for their personal amusement at everyone's expense. One of their biggest flaws is underestimating their enemies and this is a flaw I've taken advantage of many times in arguments. I've been in chats where they would create a shit storm from nothing, about nothing, for nothing, because their whole existence is nothing but bullshit and memes. I am that one guy the ENTPs runs into and get's wrecked because he's not used to a challenge. ENTPs are so used to winning they fail to see where they need to grow and improve.
True. INTP are professional skeptics.
Its a common misconception that an INTP forms subjective conclusions, this is false TI is abstract thinking. All subjectivity is abstract but not all abstraction is subjective this is false to conflate the two.
1. Subjective: based on or influenced by personal feelings, tastes, or opinions.
2. Objective: (of a person or their judgment) not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts.
3. Abstract: existing in thought or as an idea but not having a physical or concrete existence.
1 + 1 = 2 is an abstraction and has an objective truth no matter how you or i FEEL about it.
Time, insight, logic, counting, universal, science and truth are all objective abstractions not subjective in nature and not
concrete.
Agreement by definition is subjective, so basing your conclusions on something a number of people agree on is subjective not objective. This is also known as The Bandwagon Fallacy or Ad populum fallacy. Claiming a truth because X amount of people agree Y is in fact not a truth, this not to say there cant be truth in Y but X doesn't justify Y as a truth. There was, is, and always will be truths that many people will not agree with.
I see you projecting all over the place and its blinding >.
+Chad Crandall First off, im glad you like growth.
Second, appeal to authority is a logical fallacy, words exist outside of MBTI so if they use them they are subjected to the definition of said word, also MBTI is a work in progress it has had tons of revision over the years.
And you made my argument when you said
"Your definition of subjective is not entirely all encompassing" Exactly! I will point out the distinctions of how you and i are using it.
Every thought and feeling is abstract in the mind this is why subjective includes the mind as defined, so abstract thought like feeling an as such can be used as a synonym.
But math, clarity and time only exist in the mind as well as an abstract thought which is an objective truth.
So when you say state that TI is not objective you are necessarily using it as feeling of mind as per their definitions by throwing out the abstract objective truths which also encompass the board definitions of subjective and abstract. So now that you've thrown out objective truth we are left with only subjective feeling or abstract feeling as per your terms. This is why i said TI is not a synonyms of FI. Your video was full of agreement fallacy which not a truth agreement is feelings, then state some more that your using objective truth vs the INTP using feeling based on the terms in your video of subjective. This is why you'r projecting. As far as the rest of your augments go, they are all nothing more then emotion based which isnt an augment like all the ad hominems. K im done not going to both you any more i can tell im wasting my time, you can rebut with some more appeal to authority, ad hominems and opinions now ie. with emotions. The last word is yours i know how much ENTJ's love it : )
TRUE!
As an INTP, I have to disagree somewhat. I find ENTJ women to be the only personality type I have a desire to have a relationship with and it generally works well. I believe you just have to understand each other's strengths and be respectful of them. Joining forces with one, as an INTP ENTJ duo, can cover all bases in getting something done well. I find ENTJs to be great managers. In my personal opinion, I see INTPs as great thought leaders and/or analysts while ENTJs are great at managing day-to-day operations and/or serving as a liaisons between groups. I also find that the two could trade places and still function well in the opposite roles even if it takes a little more effort because it's not a natural fit. Also, I think INTPs do want to make conclusions from their analysis. It's just that they want their analysis to be sound. Who do you think the data he speaks about in the video comes from? (probably alot of INTPs) Nobody intelligent wants to make a major decisions based off of shoddy analysis. My suggestion to ENTJs, take the analysis/conclusions from INTPs and focus more on the implementation functions.
Brilliant. I am an INTP and have had many an issue with ENTJs. I think my biggest beef with them is the way that INTPs are indecisive, open minded to a fault, but its okay because they don't do anything anyway. ENTJs on the other hand are centered on "doing things", in order to do things they have to make decisions and have strict opinions and use their judgement a lot more. ENTJs are bright, and therefore use a deduction of information to prove or explain their personal choices, and this frustrates the hell out of an INTP because they feel that ENTJs are lying in a sense, since they do not provide information and fact for ALL sides but solely for the ENTJs path/choice. INTPs see this as either close minded, manipulative, or simply ignorant. ENTJs on the other hand see INTPs lack of "doing" as pointless and lazy and not taking control of the situation. ENTJs thrive on being in control, INTPs are offended by their intentional control of the flow of information. ie: ENTJ as school president voice their new reform of removing juice from cafeterias because juice is bad for health. They then use percentages of sugar as their supporting evidence. INTP might be pissed 1) because they love juice 2) There have been studies that show a few glasses of juice a week can provide essential vitamin C, etc.
Julia Wisowaty lolll. #1...they love juice. Reason enough.
How did this guy get an intp to open up enough to study their thought patterns
Haha it actually seems like you're looking down on intp's logic and thought processes...but in reality for us entjs and their logics seem way too simplistic and out of context. It looks like you want to deny the truth that intps are deeper and logical than you..
Lol! Yea maybe so.
You’re rationale masters, we re the logical masters
As an ENTJ you are correct, but my INTP has given me the best advice money could ever buy. There's time for action and there's time for inaction and as an ENTJ, the INTP will help you know when it's time to strike, retreat, or wait.
In my opinion INTP is the Queen on the Chessboard and the ENTJ is the King.
(INTP) My only friend is an ENTJ . . . .
rosacute jenniely -INTJ, my best friends an INTP, but still, bored, so skype?
Niko Bellic That's a real nice offer but considering I have an disposition not accumulated to view I'd have to grumbly decline. Call up that friend of yours! Careful... not everything lasts forever though. Gah, my friend and I only talk once every 3 years if that. Separation torments the soul but it can rectify us in the end. ^//^ So ago couragesly on that swindling road ahead of you, and be sure to grab ahold of anything that sweeps you up in its magnitude, but try not to waste precious time on the infallible.
Lmao I just wanted to chat and play games or whatever.
Okay, that's fine....... Go ahead. Be so flippant towards life. Let events just fly on right over and beyond you. The good times, the bad: you are left unscathed by the daunting forces that are supposed to hunt your very being. But no, you look at the devil and are unaffected. You start to wonder why don't I fear, why don't I care? When you simply stop caring. But when your left staring at a blank wall and there's nothing left to hold onto, remember there was nothing ever there to begin with. There never was a point. It's all in our heads. LiFE: who made it up? Who gave us these heedless reasons to get up each and every morning and brave the day? Laugh it off all that you'd like. Who knows if I put more into your words than you put less? Sometimes we all need to wake up and stop just being so dame careless about our moments. Boredom. Did you forget that I was a stranger? You can not condone my response. You cannot predict it. Draw things from it that aren't there. Time slips through all of our greedy fingers and sometimes we are blissfully unaware while other times we stare and look back and wonder how we are here and not back there. But you can't hold onto a moment. The past is in the past and the future is always never. We wish to latch onto some moments while wishing to latch out on to others. To drill out the numb, blank days where we hold our heads above freezing waters, going asunder when the water wraps around us and seeps into our core with its unassuming layers. We stay a draft but we want to sink and yet there's always a pesky reminder to stay afloat. Who knows what you were really searching for. What you were really asking for. Why any of us do anything. I have my response. You have your reasoning. My response given. Why? Sometimes I feel when we ask for things, we really aren't saying what we'd really like. We think we want something but it's just a distraction. Think hard on what you'd really want. And than laugh me off again. XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXYes, I like giving lengthy replies that lead nowhere. It's not for you, it's for the real person hiding behind you. Deep inside. Beyond the layers. Beyond the "hahahahah'ha's." And much beyond the "she's crazy, WHATEVER." 😪
Dude, I see my friend every day in school and he comes over to my house every 3 days xD, why did you asume I dont care about the ones close to me? Hes grounded for a week so we cant play games together so I just asked another person if theyd like to do it, no, Im not replacing my best friend.
I wanted to add another point to your video when you mention that INTPs will keep deconsrtucting an idea with no conclusion or leading nowhere. I think this comes back to how Te/Ti interpretting conclusions and closures differently. For an INTP (or at least what I've noticed in myself) the deconstruction process leads to the core idea or fundamental objective behind the idea. I will keep going until I can reasonably say this is the potential root of the issue. Assuming that this process leads nowhere because it has no actual effect on the external environment is just looking at the world through Te coloured glasses. I think the insights that INTPs extrapolate from that deconstruction process can and are usually used as the building blocks of new theories/systems/process that Te can then use in a dynamic way for the environment.
Te/Ti have a love hate relationship. Each one thinks its superior to the other but they wouldn't be able to live without the other. Te's dearly loved facts are based off Ti trial and error and attempting everything to find the best possible one. Favoring Te pursuits would eventually lead to the stagnation of new ideas and thoughts and things would just stay the same since they will go with things that proven rather than test something out and with changing environments and so on everything will stagnate. But on the flipside a world with only Ti would be a lot of theories and nothing physical gets done.
I realize I went on a bit of a tangent but I just wanted to add on to your point of thinking that certain thinking leads no where but closure and conclusions are also subjective. Overall very insightful video and I enjoyed it!
Perfect.
Well I'm an INTP and I felt like I was listening to my own story while watching this cuz heck it's so accurate it hurts. And I have an ENTJ friend and this totally describes how we interact with each other. Just today he was telling me about how simple I dress up and said I should try to change it cuz, and I quote, "studies show that successful people dress the way they want themselves to be" and I was like "but there are exceptions" and the argument just kept going on from that point lmao
When you said INTP's base their truth on their "subjective truth", you can't be further from the truth. What you might feel is sometimes they make the wrong conclusion because they don't have enough/wrong data about the subject they researched on which resulted in the wrong truth.
Or if they are immature and it related to their "feelings" they can be blindsided coz feelings aren't always logical - everything else is in the pursuit of truth regardless of how people "feel" about it or even themselves. Also, our intuition works in a similar way that while it may seem random while we are collecting data and pondering over it - once we make enough connection and gather enough data our intuition naturally overwhelms us to point us to the singular truth/pattern/system that everything points to. It's an overwhelming feeling like the universe agrees/everything is aligned and makes sense and THIS IS IT! Usually, when you reach that point if no one discusses it with you to prompt you to make something concrete out of it - by planting the seed of the idea in a form of discussion and general plan - so our obsession can find new "relevant/useful" obsession or if we don't act on it to make it known - we move on to something else coz our drive and curiosity is satisfied and seldom return to that topic again. I know I had to change my opinions about somethings and I would like to have a contradictory opinion but I CAN'T since it's not true.
Also usually we don't volunteer our "discoveries" because these discoveries "the overwhelming kind" are rare so most of the time even if we are closer to the truth about a concept/in the right direction - which in itself could be useful to the world we won't share it or be hesitant/defensive about it since it's "private". So someone has to be trustworthy/safe or interested enough to pull it out from us or we need to be in a position in terms of jobs where if our "discoveries" are relevant it will give us an external environment where not much efforts would be needed to present these. This is why it is EXTREMELY important for an INTP to mature and integrate their ENTJ shadow for not only their benefit but for the good of the world/or whatever field they are in. Because it will provide lasting insights/discoveries IF INTP's stay long enough and stimulated in a particular field. Otherwise, everyone would keep thinking we are "lazy" and we'll keep feeling like we are wasting our potential OR apathy OR stuck in Ti-Si Loop.
This is actually feels really cute to me as an intp. I couldn't agree more. 93% relate to this. Jesus Christ i thought you are talking about me lol hahaha. It's really good to see this comment. I felt really misunderstood almost every day by people that i love. I mean i know it's about cognitive function/preference of thinking, but in actuality, it just could lead to misunderstanding. This is way worse than i thought in my experience. So talking to people, i would just do my best to use Se, because it is what really could connect myself with many people.
I'm an INTP and one of my good friends is an ENTJ. We have very different values - my friend wants to make an impact in society as well as "reaping the benefits" of said actions in the process creating a win-win situation for society and himself. I however could care less about impacting society and care more for personal ambition and gaining as much knowledge and experience to guide your future actions to become the most successful version of yourself you can possibly be. Another difference is that I am a firm believer in the greater good, believing sacrifice is often necessary for a better overall outcome in the long run, while my friend believes that individualism is the most important thing and the greater good doesn't exist. A final difference is that he will often find my views on worldly topics to be apathetic and too cold and therefore wrong, at the same time he will sometimes behave in certain ways which is offensive to other people and caring little for the people around him if they go against his interest, in return I say that is wrong and he should show more respect. At the same time, we often spend a lot of time discussing both personal and impersonal matters as we greatly respect each others input on the situations. He often comes to me to give a more detailed analysis of a situation, point out the flaws in his views or logic and point out details he may have missed, in return I come to him to find clarity and see the big picture of what's going on, as saying the most efficient way to handle something. As with all types, people can learn and grow from those with other personality types, but it takes maturity and being open minded.
Really good video. Super funny how you described these different thought processes. However, it did seem a bit too pessimistic.I am a male INTP dating a female ENTJ. I can most definitely relate to a lot of these struggles, but my girlfriend and I actually get along pretty well the majority of the time! We've learned a lot from eachother. I've taught her to be patient and consider different perspectives, and she's taught me to really try harder, apply myself, and come out of my shell. Overall solid video. I laughed out loud a couple times, the descriptions were so on point.
UPDATE: We broke up.
@@harrydriggers3675 why? (4 years later 😅). -Curious INTP
I think it could work if both are mature and healthy they can actually bring out each others strengths and help each other work on their weak points as an INTP I think opposite types can learn allot from each other and I would think it's a big part of being growth minded .
I've been watching your videos (along with those of Michael Pierce) and I just wanted to say thank you so much for all these interesting talks and discussions. I am an INTP and my mom is an ENTJ, and by learning more about our types, I've become a little better at understanding where she's coming from when we argue (and when we butt heads, it can be really intense!). But recently our communication has improved because when I talk to her, I try not to get too technical and to not focus on criticizing every little time she's inaccurate about something. Instead I try to see where she's coming from, in terms of accomplishing something.
Also when we fight, I don't take her comments as personally as I used to, because I realized that she's just focused on efficiency, and that's all. Nothing personal meant! Meanwhile, she's been working on slowing down when we argue, and listening what I have to say. She appreciates and uses my feedback and I encourage her to think before she jumps into her newest plan, while she encourages me to DO more, and think less (damn near impossible for an INTP, but I've been committing to more concrete goals, and spending a little less time floating around in my own head).
Humor works a lot too. She's learned to laugh at her tendency to argue before she's even completely sure what she's arguing about, and the fact that sometimes, in her rush to get things done, she can make some really ridiculous generalizations. So we both learn to laugh at each other and at ourselves, and that helps keep the arguments civil and brief. I've learned to argue with her by appealing to her need for efficiency (if we do X, then we can accomplish both Y and Z!). she's learned that while she can be persuasive, there are certain things around which I will not budge, so she's learned to back off sometimes.
And then we're back to being best friends, because the truth is, when we're not fighting, we actually really get each other and our quirky sense of humor. She's one of the few people I know who can regularly make me laugh till my stomach hurts.
Your very last point about analyzing a list I think was pretty accurate between the difference. Good job!! I actually watched this video because I heard were supposed to be compatible in relationships.
I'm a female INTP and all you said was very true. I laughed with how accurate it is. Good job.
INTP male here.
I think this is a great video. Was with an ENTJ female in a LTR. What killed it was our? / my? emotional immaturity. This being said the learnings, insights and growth I experienced with her were 2nd to none.
I think INTP breaking down an idea which you describe as pointless without conclusion, holds purpose for the INTP in the journey of actually breaking it down rather than ever coming to a conclusion or solution. Intps learn through breaking it down and use that knowledge in whatever they are currently doing as they see it relates, or later. An example would be, using that knowledge to counter your fact which has been accepted by the masses and delivered to us through you. There is purpose in challenging, researching into and questioning ANYTHING that is widely accepted by the masses.
This information given has you questioning where the INTP even got that information? It’s from breaking down the idea/concept way before the conversation took place, which is purposeless in your opinion, except that is its purpose. Also it is entertainment ! I’m doing it now learning all there is to know about mbti personality types. There is a reason why but no one would ever know that. The information is interesting and I can also use this information later when it comes to personal development, or wherever it’s relevant even when I stop being interested in researching the subject.
Actually, us INTP's try to work around this "analysis" by becoming familiar with when it is appropriate to allow ambiguity; or by clarifying our goals to focus attention on particular features of a problem domain. In other words, we do what we can to speed the analysis process up.
Also, INTP's actually ARE interested in the practical ends of investigations! Just to a lesser degree than ENTJ's.
I can definitely see the clash...
Why is it that INFP ENFJ relationships seem so much more plausible than INTP ENTJ relationships?
Other than the fact that ENTJ females and INTP females are rare.
crap. no wonder our marriage is so hard.
Great vid! As an INTJ I see this relationship as probably not being as ideal for the same reasons. I do have 2 friends INTP/ENTJ that have been together for 7 years now and are now married. They have broken up more than once I think and have always been really private about how a lot of their relationship works but I do know a lot of compromise and dedication is a big reason for their success. My romantic relationships with Ti/Fe users have always been rather short lasting because I would be drawn in by their intelligence and overlapping interests. After analyzing our dynamic though I would notice differences in values and we would disagree on what "truth" and "logic" are. They were also emotionally confusing to me. I recognize a lot of that as Ti/Te and Fi/Fe friction now. Ne/Ni and Si/Se differences always seemed to be more complimentary in comparison. I tend to gravitate towards INFPs and ENFPs. I'm currently talking to my first ENTJ and think we have potential for an amazing relationship.
***** Most of my relationships with them have either never really taken off because we both withdrew after an extended courting period (usually drawn out by me). This is largely because I was relationship-averse for a few years from being scarred from a dramatic end to my best relationship with an INFP that lasted 11 months. NFPs have a way of softening me and helping me relax and I tend to help them want to improve themselves and be more responsible and actionable. Conversation is so fluid and the dynamic can feel very yin/yang. Especially with the ENFPs. Most of my best friends are INFPs and the 2 ENFPs I know I am really close to. When our values align and the NFP has developed a thicker skin, and me, some tact, things have worked out well. I have had the strongest feelings for NFP types for sure.
"Why is he smell bad" really?!
hey!!! i though that was a funny comment lol
ENTJs annoy me with their assumptions based on absolutely nothing and then have the audacity to try and impose that idea unto you lol .... not this INTP lol ... I dont envy Te in any way shape or form ... leave me and Ti to go outer space where we can find objective truths
Yeah could relate
If in the INTP questions why you are doing something it is probably because they care and you just s*** all over them wow
I can relate to some parts of this Ive seen displayed in my relationship with my ENTJ bf. Our discussions are always frustrating for me (INTP) when I feel like he can not conceptualize an idea or a thought if not given a concrete example or tangible proof. And I think frustrate him by always questioning his vision and my catch phrase line of but the system is fundamentally flawed.
Both Ti and Te must be used together in order to have proper output. A Ti dominant user will use Te to gather information and Ti to organize that information into a framework. If a piece of information doesn't fit in a series of true/false statements, Ti needs to explain why. Ne checks out the information and sees if there is a potential pattern that better explains the information. The thinker may use Te to look for additional information. Maybe the source of the information that doesn't fit is less reliable for some reason. If there is no reason to dismiss the information, then the Ti user must hold on to it even if it conflicts with other information. The existence of conflicting information makes the answer less confident. Ne may find two possible solutions. Ti may determine that one solution has a 75% probability, and the other solution has a 25% possibility. That explains why Ti dominant thinkers are less certain than Te dominant thinkers.
For a Te dominant thinker, the process is similar. Ti still verifies the data, but if the extraverted thinker is Ni, only the most likely conclusion is chosen. This Te user believes this answer is true, and may not even be conscious of the second possible answer. This Te user is often quicker with his answer and more certain.
The Ti user will be wordy and informative in his explanation, noting the inconsistencies. The Te user will be direct with his answer. The additional complexities the Ti user holds in the consciousness may or may not be useful. This may lead to the Ti user finding a better answer or it may just be a waste of time and energy.
In the end, both the Te and Ti dominant user have their purposes. The Te user is quicker and more decisive, but the Ti dominant user may find a missed solution. They can both work together if they are mature.
I'd say that you have some growth to do Mr. Speaker, the fact that you see no purpose to alternative processes besides your own... Only your strategy makes actual sense? You compliment saying that they are brilliant and then revealed your actual judgement that they are time wasters... What will happen is you end up jumping the gun on your great but flawed idea and then tank failure because you didnt listen to an INTP or allow the processing, then turn around and blame others for the mess (as usual). INTP IS your shadow. You are to teach each other and its clear your shadow is still dark.
It's clear that you cannot understand that there is a date stamp on this video that is over 3 years old, before you form judgments. Looks like we're both in the position to do some personal growth. ;)
+ Chad Crandall Knowing what you know about an INTP's functions, how would you recommend an INTP get organised engough to follow through on goals?
Particles in the atmosphere determines the color of the sky. Also, if a system is excessively flawed, it is easier to destroy the old system and either start from scratch or return to a time when the system was working.
In the end, theories exist to understand
INTPs can be said to be limited by subjectivity factors because duh, human's aren't perfect, but at it's heart the use of internal models is just a means to store information - the goal is to do that better and filter out the factors that distort your view, which, ultimately, in more general/abstract forms, can said to be the struggle of all who seek knowlede in some way.
There will always be the sort that assume the planets must be going round in perfect circles because perfect circles are prettier, and I totally get why you're not wasting your time on those.
But for most of us it's not like we're not about evidence or facts. It's that we're a bit about the process of how to interpret and derive from those facts, and that comes with the risk of getting wrong. (Just as using a "rule of thumb" carries the risk of an inexactness that causes a critical backfire)
Still, it's cool to see this from the other perspective - Some might assume your main gripe would be something like, "They're so disorganized and lack drive, and how can they stand to be like that", but instead you're like, "Guys, we wanna do logic here. It is important to do logic correctly". Understanding that fact alone would make the mutual respect soar, methinks. That's the pitfal isn't it, thinking the other person is doing mere trivial organization (in or outside of their heads.)
To us it's a matter of wanting to know for sure, and why, and completely (to know when to devise good approximations is part of that)
I think this interaction of a mutual sense of, "This person is a frikkin genius/amazing but I don't get em", (because believe me, wo don't know how you guys do it, either) some might say it's unfavorable and it's certainly going to take respect & perspective on both parts, but, civilized logical humand should be able to work with a a basis like a valueing of honesty & reason.
I'm following you on the 'there is a sense of truth, different in everyone' portion. But, I fundamentally disagree that INTPs use subjective logic.
That is, perhaps, more true with how INTPs make ethical judgements (or allow others to exercise their own simultaneously). But again, it seems to be that subjective anectdotal points of view are the antithesis of logic.
Actually, I've tied that way of thinking more to s/f types- and it drives me crazy!
Wow! I love this video, great explanations and examples.Thanks a lot, it was very insightful!
Mature intps can see trends coming better than ni-se they just dislike absolute categorisation since it's only a trend and perpetuating always disrespecting the details because then people's misperceptions start corrupting the big picture.
The problem is that there aren't many effective teachers out there that speak intps language so intps get tired of trying, they give up and remain immature. Tons of entjs also remain immature but they manage to at least look accomplished while they suck people's blood.
Golden matches are true and awesome but require maturity, patience and being or starting to get in touch with your superego from both sides. If superego isn't on the plate one can't truly give to the world.
You're a healthy te/ne estj though, the most compassionate and refined estj I've ever seen actually, so an equally mature ti/ni would be a lot more practical for you than ne parents.
(Intp) if you have the means, I highly recommend acquiring an entj
Great talk about Ti. Keep putting out great videos.
ENTP
Ultimately, subjective logic is explained in that it supports objective ethics. As an INTP I see ethics as the top consideration when dealing with "organizing the outside world." It is not strictly logical, but is more ethical. We use logic to more work on ourselves and our understanding of the world, and our personal goals, and then use ethics (Fe) in our treatment of others, and our relationship to society as a whole. Hence, we use Ti similarly to how an ENTJ might use Fi, and we use Fe similarly to how an ENTJ might use Te.
I think your interpretation of INTPs is wrong. Especially about the anecdote of "my friend broke up with his girlfriend and he didn't jump off a bridge". Anecdotes are taken as proof by STs not NTs. The funny thing is that you took the anecdotes of the five people jumping off the bridge as proof...
+svettypoo - Well...I think...I think... you're wrong! Ha. No you're probably right. Thanks
How is this so accurate? Lool. Well done
I'm an INTP, have developed extraverted, and when I am forced to make a decision I can make them, so I would say that I resemble an ENTJ in that way but my method of thinking starts in an INTP way but then i force myself to make the best decision i can, so I start looking like an ENTJ, if that makes makes any sense? and the fact i have experience in commanding/dealing with people and have a fair amount of confidence, despite the fact unless pushed I don't like making decisions. (I could be wrong about me looking like an ENTJ). (i am fairly new to mbti).
Yeah I don't tend to like making decisions unless I am 100% which isn't often, or if my arm is twisted then I can. Once I do commit to something i can lead people well and have confidence, but I guess that's nothing to do with being an ENTJ or not. An INTJ I know however can make decision after decision if need be in seconds.
Twelve X I can totally relate to that. I am an INTP and when situation desires i can be decisive pretty much like a 'J' type. Sometimes people feel i am bossy, but tsometimes INTP has to be INTJ to get things done. But that is just because the situation demands it.
Great video. Can you please make a INTP overview video. I love the way how clearly you describe things. Thanks.
I personally feel this video would make more sense if you bring in an intp as well. As an intp, I feel that my perspective is not properly highlighted. Just a suggestion. thanks:-)
Dude your conclusions are complete wrong.
I'll stay witin your system of for you to understand what i am about to say. NT types are the most objective types, we do not attach emotions to reality and just observe as it happens and draw clonclusions from it. If you ever feel friction between "truths" while talking to anothet NT, it doesnt mean subjectivity impairs the ability to "see", it means you both lack the knowledge. If only you feel friction and other doesnt, it means that you lack the knowledge to be objective. If both people are objective on the same page with same knowledge it means that either you both ignorant and any conclusion out from argument will be just down right wrong, or you both will be the greatest power friendship/couple world has ever seen. This goes for every NT type.
If we would go outside MBTI and you see clown type memes of being everything and everyone that brakes the types is that at certain point in personal development, types lose meaning on the basis that developed consciousness does not have a personality and personality is something that can be formed.
For refernce im a mash of ESTP, ISTP, INTP ENTJ ENFJ and INFJ.
That was brilliant. Thank you 😂🤗
+1 You got yourself a subscriber.
as an INFP, my logical thinking kinda works like INTP, i'm not sure if the F switches to a T or not, I know it's all about the cognitive functions, but I always question the "truth" if there might be a possible scenario that could deny this "truth", whereas ENTJ like you sad, seemed judgemental, seeing 5 people jump off the bridge after a bad relationship, all will jump after. Whereas I'm skeptical about all "truth" as the only truth is nobody knows the truth.
Holy cow. I'm a female INTP and relate to none of this. lol I'm an anomoly of an anomoly type I guess. Ay dios mio. Female INTP's are SO different than male INTP's. Yes, I break down facts, however you have to get shit done and move forward. Yes, I have typed over and over and over and I'm 100% INTP. lol
My brother is an INTP and my good friend is also male INTP. I don't know how they function in life. They do fit your description to a T tho. ;)
Do you have an IG page?
+Chad Crandall Of course not. You're too busy owning life. Good for you! lol
+Chad Crandall something will happen in your life, you will meet someone you think is so cool. for example i meet this guy, extremely handsome, extraverted, full of energy, friendly, writing poems to his fiance back at home when i was in army.
i have no interest with arts, literature or anything at that point. i am just 21 years old. but he impress me so greatly, i was writing my own poems within 3-4 months and we were criticizing each others poems. after army a chain reaction started, from poems to philosophy to mythologies to psychology etc.
now, as an intp, this accident make me grow my feeling scores a lot. up until that point, i'd think "poetry? lol." blockhead mentality. but after that guy i figured "thinking" that i should let myself feel, it's a beautiful thing.
i begin to rationalize then: who is brave and who is cowardly? the one who tries to look tough, never show feelings, putting a mask, being a robot or the one who is able to express emotions?
another break point, now more extraverted as well.
so yeah, intp is a term like obsessive compulsive. key question is how intp? how ocd?
so yeah "ideal development of self" that's a very subjective thing and your personal history will determine the ideal.
so yeah, basically, if you are such a big "questioner" then you should question yourself too. if you see things "in terms of how to improve" then improve yourself first, buddy!
***** what's your point? you were thinking certain types certain ways ... now you think they will look more and more similar to each other. what one should understand from this and "ideal self" ?
I find that ENTJ sucks at accounting
I tend to get along with ENTJs quite well
I tend to get along with INTPs well. I personally feel like the ENTJs and INTPs are related somewhat like in the same family. If both types are mature they go well hand and hand. They will balances each other out, the INTP will provide more perspectives while the ENTJ will take all the ideas into action. INTP women kinda remind me of INFP women accept the INTPs are more rational and easier company from me at least. It's easier for me to communicate with a INTP than it is for me to communicate with a INFP. I love both of these types and I see crossing similarities with difference's. It's fun to compare and notice things that are different about related types. This makes MBTI quite fun for me.
雷神Raijin It just occurred to me that I already saw this video 2 years ago.
No, we INTP's don't always care how we look or how we smell. Who is there to impress? Maybe they're not worthy of being impressed by us, or, maybe we think, hey, they looked bad or smelled at some point in their lives. Thanks for calling us "brilliant." I still am not sure what an ENTJ is, but I thought it was compatible--?? I read that it was. INTP's are good for things like the stock market; where being the oddball might mean money. Take care.
Entj here to learn. As expected.
An INTP would NEVER say there are different truths for different people outside of subjective opinions. Blasphemy!
Everything else is being broken down into logical constructs and abstractions. In essence they’re attempting to make everything into math. Clean and beautiful, self referential and true in and of itself not because of their own opinions at all. I suspect all INTPs would say their own experiences and biases are a hinderance.
INTPs always understand in their minds, never by authority or others. That doesn’t mean their conclusions are subjective. I have many subjective experiences with learning math that are tied to my knowledge but that doesn’t make the math any bit subjective once it’s understood.
If you want to convince an INTP and have an argument make it logically consistent, don’t appeal to what everyone does, authority or even what’s worked in the past. Who cares? Make it true. Do the work to make it a truth and you’ll see an INTP agree with you and likely apologize for going down the wrong path. 🤣
You explained that very well
but that sky analogy was wack
I was very amused by this video because it describes one of my friend perfectly in my own opinion as an ENTJ. As an ENTJ I find what you describe to fit me very well, I used this website, www.16personalities.com/. He is very much 95% of how you were describing it in the video. Of course we are good friends I just naturally don't oppose him because friendship is founded on the desire of mutual growth (my point of view). I do think the MBTI can be very different when we view opposite genders though. Nowadays I do find myself have higher occurrences to get into a head-butting situation because I am pushing myself harder to get things done, and I find agreeing to more difficult. School approaches and politics. I guess the question can be, is this video's compatibility describing friendship, coworker, life partner? The compatibility is somewhat vague, but I understand the video is for self-understanding. In any-case keep making videos, this video is very spot on for me!
You call TI "subjective" but John Galt is an INTP
TI is subjective but just because TI is your first function do not mean there's no usage of all other 7 functions. Idk John Galt but he's not exempt from using TE, he's a rational and it is likely at some point he's going to use TE especially being a male he's going to lean more on the objective function much stronger than his counter part female INTP which is more subjective and less objective. You have to consider all things, and I don't mean just gender but hormones which plays a huge role in personalities.
The Female INTPs have much more of a light presence whilist some of the males not all can come off more like a boaster or just flat out being a typical guy. I was on a App that Typed Trump as a ENTP.
Also consider the fact because he's a thinking type it is likely some of that will spill over to his other thinking function, TE. All 8 functions are used depending on the person and giving situation, at this point I don't need to explain more, you probably know where this is going.
Do you ever find yourself being gullible on occasion, bc of that assuming of a truth?
***** Have you ever met a female INTP?
***** I agree with your arguments about where INTPs and ENTJs could butt heads. The issue I am struggling with is that it sounds like a partner that could logically prevent an ENTJ from jumping to their conclusions so quickly, would probably be good for them. The only issue is that it could irritate them. As a female INTP, my boss is an ENTJ, my bf is an ENTJ and I have an ex that is an ENTJ, and my Dad is an ESTJ (I know you guys are different but the Te is still there), and I've sort of noticed that they are really the only ones capable of pulling me out of my shell intellectually. They all seem to appreciate the way that I keep them from making conclusions too quickly. I'm not completely sure though.
7:10 OH JEEZ!!! hahahahah
I don't understand how logic and can be subjective?!
I agree that it's silly, but what it refers to is a choice being made on priority. Classifications is one example of "subjective" logic. We can subjectively choose to classify people. by eye color, hair color, or height.
@@TrueGenerations thank you for your response, I didn't mean it was silly, I genuinely have never heard of subjective logic, I will research it further.
It is sort of silly, imo.
Subjective Logic : the best articulation I can come up with would be sort of your believe companied with a sense of an interpretation that makes the most sense , the most consistent, the most valid , there is a specific idea induced by your own logical coherent framework, later supported by credibility and believe no matter what .
That’s one of the secret of genius as I learned .
I hope I helped .
This is hilarious lol. Especially after 8:35
I don't know what it is as an INFP, I get along with ENTP and INTP really well, but not ENTJ, I hate all ENTJs
Sylvia Lopez Theyre not as bad as you think, once you get to know them they can be very warm
Because Intps and entps Match your Fi
The only entjs I've met were total butts. So I couldn't get close mentally to them. I tried tho.
This guy reminds me of CS Joseph
Yeah I always thought perhaps he's a copy cat. Nope he this dude started making videos first.
So fucking true
SO TRYE
6:35 so frustration.
***** I saw your comment before I replaced my own and yours got deleted. I just thought it was amusing how much your face conveyed. I'd like to hear your updated thoughts on this dynamic--you seem a bit hung up on it considering how frequent a feature it is in the videos I've watched so far.
***** Ha, and we appreciate it. Shouldn't have used that expression--only meant you talk about the Ti/Te interplay a lot.
***** It wasn't obvious ;)