Who was Nathan Bedford Forrest? (Part 1)
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Major General William T. Sherman, the officer who disemboweled the Confederacy with his marches across Georgia and through the Carolinas, understood the nature of total war. That uniquely qualified him to offer assessment of one of the most remarkable and yet controversial officers in all of the Confederacy.
During the war, Sherman spat out, “that devil must be hunted down and killed if it costs 10,000 lives and bankrupts the Federal Treasury!” Later, in reflection, he offered that that devil, militarily speaking, was the most remarkable man the Civil War produced on either side.
For this episode, part 1 of the man and officer who, particularly in these times, remains a lightning rod for knee-jerk-like reaction - both pro and con.
This is the story of The Wizard of the Saddle. This is the story of Nathan Bedford Forrest.
#civilwar #civilwarhistory #confederate
Narrated by Fred Kiger
Produced by Dan Irving
Published by Third Wheel Media
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Some Characters Mentioned In This Episode:
William T. Sherman
President Andrew Jackson
Gideon Pillow
Abel D. Streight
Emma Sansom
D. H. Hill
Forrest was feral and fierce. Had no formal education. He was not sophisticated. He was resourceful and able to think-outside-the-box and pivot instinctually. He was a killing machine and was able to turn those in his command into loyal killing machines. He was a combat soldier who kept the enemy 'skeert'. He surely did.
One of my distant ancestors fought under Forrest. It’s really crazy how my family fought on both sides against each other. Knowing this is what developed my interest in studying the war
Actually that wasn't unique, many families had the same split, brother against brother, father against son.
also Marylanders at Gettysburg killed each other....a unique war that
@@cfcinilope thats why that war is so unique to humanity...will never happen again...literally brothers killing brothers...Johnny moves from Atlanta to work in NY, marries a yankee girl has children..conscripted to fight for Union..down in Georgia he is fighting family and old friends and killing them...then you have the border states and Eastern Tenn where counties are divided...human tragedy unprecidented...Mary Lincoln was a rabid Unionist and her step brothers killed were rebs..
As I noted in the livestream, my ancestor, Col. Francis Marion Windes, fought under Forrest. He commanded the 4th Alabama Cavalry at Brice's Crossroads and later fought a delaying action at Shoal Creek near Florence, Alabama, that allowed Forrest's command to escape across the Tennessee river to the south bank when the river was high. For this later action, he was personally commended by Forrest. The 4th Alabama fought under Wheeler as well, and I've tried to find out if Col. Windes Regiment was at Fort Pillow (I hope not). So far, I have been unable to find any clear evidence, one way or the other.
Don't believe the Yankee account of Fort Pillow. If interested, I will tell you the truthful account.
Where do you get your resources? I'm looking for some on Nathan Bedford Forest, hoping to discover any family journals, diaries, letters, and records, to gain a greater clarity of the man, his personality, vision of future, business expectations , desires for his children's opportunities, his expectations, pre and post Civil War.
He doesn't feel like a man of tunnel vision, preoccupied with his Ego, and not as much with the black/white prejudicial attitude that so many were obsessed with.
I may be wrong, but I just have a suspicion he was a man that could redefine his perspective.
The Ft Pillow incident is one that I know a bit on both sides, but neither have I pursued for the greater facts.
I suspect it was not an attractive military engagement on the part of the South.
I live about 15 - 20 North of Ft Pillow.
If you have a Public email address or contact method, let me know and I will share any Resources I might discover.
Thanks,
Beth Bartlett
Sociologist/Behavioralist
and Historian
@bethbartlett5692 The guy was a slave trader who later had his troops massacre freed slaves fighting for the union that he had a hand in bringing to Memphis in the first place. That pretty much sums him up. No redemption.
Wow! You sound as if you were there to witness it all yourself. Judge, jury, and hangman all in one. You might want to check your sissy emotional reactions before you play pretend history.
Hot air is strong with this one
I can’t tell you enough how appreciative I am of the show, podcast and your efforts to help others enjoy the history that is the American civil war. Your narration is simply superb. Thank you for all you do.
General Forrest was quite the man. He couldn’t have made it in today’s world.
I am writing a book on General George Dibrell who served under Nate Bedford and also under General Wheeler after the battle of Chickamauga. Dibrell commanded the 8th Tennessee. He is from the town next to me. I was fortunate to interview his grand daughter before she died at over 100 years old.
Dibrell was part of the raid at Carroll Station on the early morning of Dec 18, 1862. My grandparents lived close to the tracks and where the block house was that was destroyed in Forrest early morning surprise attack. I use to find mini balls in that location at Carroll Station. How might i get a finished book on General Dibrell you are writing?
We need men like General Forrest now, in today's military.
My great grandfather joined the cavalry under Forrest in 1862 at 16 and was a first sergeant when surrendered at citronelle Alabama in 1865.
My great great grandfather was a "gentleman trader" from Helena across the river in Arkansas and worked with Mr Forrest.
Thanks for this documentary on General Forest Bedford. He was a piece of work for sure. Thank you!
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Brillant tactical mind, super bad ass warrior, his courage is mind boggling to me.
The only way a soldier can do his job effectively is to recognize he is already dead so he can do his job.
Lt. Ronald Spears--------Band of Brothers.
Can’t wait for part 2
John Wyeth wrote the best biography of Forrest that I’ve read so far.
My 3rd Great Grand Father was captured when Pillow surrendered Fort Donelson. Later released he rejoined his unit. Company C 27th Alabama Infantry from Florence Alabama.
It is intriguing to wonder what he could have accomplished commanding a larger force. He was an untaught military genius like Oliver Cromwell.
He tried his hand at commanding a larger force at Chickamauga... he failed miserably. The command he asked for and received from Bragg was as big as he could handle.
He wasn't a commanding field general. His expertise was raiding and causing episodic hell.
@@Powerule23 Very well said. He could not have had a larger force to lead because as you said , his prowess was action, not directing others and standing by by.
Been fascinated with this man since childhood, thank you for this
Why?
Read and learn instead of asking questions
I live 20 minutes from Gadsden which there is a marker for this battle site
..Wonderful history, I am reminded of the late historian Ed Bearss in your manner of narration. Thank you sir..!
He is funny to listen to. Get Ken Burns series on the Civil War, he does some commenting .
Mama just chases em off the back porch with a broom. 😂
Love this channel and the passion and the multi faceted tone it takes without imparting some liberal “progressive” dogma
The fact he was grand wizard of the KKK is so easily brushed under the carpet as liberal propaganda I suppose? He was a piece of crap
like he was involved in fort pillow massacre and he was a big time slaveholder
Such an outstanding video. Thank you for all of your research and hard work!
Yo fam i look forward to these videos so much im not even gonna lie - my wife hates stuff like this so I wait till she’s in bed - smoke my weed pen and easy away into the best page on TH-cam. Thanks for all you do here.
Whatever you believe, love him or hate him, NBF was an American original and legend
My great Aunt Daisy , was married to a man named Edgar Forrest. Who claimed to be a direct relative of Bedford Forrest. Many times I've had cousins, aunts & uncles say , did you know ..... Edgar , was as I remember, a very smart man , was bad to drink. He passed away in the '60s.
He had no direct descendants named “Forrest”. All from his direct line were descended from his daughters. My husband is related through a collateral line with a common ancestor, though he is a Forrister whose family name began as Forrest.
@@shforrister7453 I did not say , a direct descendant ...
@@haroldharwell7078 “Direct relative”. The direct part was the part that was misleading.
This is really well done. I've been following your channel for a bit, and I feel you've really come into your own with this one. It felt like a hardcore history episode
Nathan bedford forrest was a beast at warfare!!!
I do so appreciate your productions. They have so much passion and are told so well. Please keep up the amazing work and if my current condition changes I will certainly become a member. Thank you!!!
Me too! This is excellent.
Forrest is still the only American general before the attacks on Iraq (which had no army, no navy, and no air force) who never lost a battle that he himself planned when he was in control of his own army. Hood pushed him into two losses. But never lost one on his plans.
This is the proper way to learn history.
best stuff on youtube even w/ some ads
well done, thank you for this history lesson
You are AWESOME!!!
Excellent as ever. I know very little about NBF and this is very enlightening.
(I always had my doubts about the tale of him lifting the Union soldier onto his saddle after Shiloh)
Excellent work and well told!😊
The last few letters spell STORY.. can’t wait
Superb work again sir .... Fascinating 😊
SHOULDN'T THIS BE TAUGHTIN IN THE AMERICAN EDUCATION SYSTEM 🤔. 😮😊
Of couse. As one of the worst human beings and traitors alive during and after the War of the Rebellion was concluded. Even bad examples of humanity have their teaching purposes for what children should avoid becoming.
You think?
For what reason?
My great great grandpa wrote about marching to Corinth Mississippi to mostly guard against sabotage of railroads that were used for supply lines to fortify the union army. He mentioned “ole Forrest” several times in un flattering terms in his diary.
Awesome story telling!
What great information and story telling. I have heard so much about him but nothing ever as good as the facts put it
I see nothing "controversial" about this great Southern Patriot. He fought all the way for his home land.
Not even after the Fort Pillow Massacre?
My wife’s late uncle Dr. Lonnie Manus, who retired from the university of Martin, Tennessee wrote two books on general forest so it’s good to see this and you can find his books here crossroads Tennessee where I live at now at the visitor center exit 108 interstate 40 Parkers crossroads Tennessee.
Outstanding video. Delivered with passion and heart.
God bless my CSA!
Really appreciate the historical lessons. Thank you
This was done very well!
Outstanding!
Outstanding documentary. Thanks.
My favorite general. Get there first with the most men. The axiom of a winner.
A great Confederate General. Bold. Daring. Smart.
Thanks for the story
Of the men that went with him into the War, forty-seven were his own slaves. He told them they would be freed by himself, if the South won, and by the enemy if the North won. Though controversial, this would have made an interesting observation in the report.
I don't yet know where your going with this. I have done some reading on the Man, the Legend, The Forrest. I do know this; I have never met the man that had half the sand to fill Forrest's boots. This was also a time when Men were Men. Oh how so badly we need them and Him today.
Thanks again for the info 👍
Legendary Hero
THANKS GREAT JOB
Well done.
I had to look up blountsville living here in Alabama then I realized the pronunciation here in Alabama for that town is the O is silent, to be blunt ) just a little turn pun on the word, Olive 1 hour south of it which I've been there many times,
Correct. Thank you. My ears caught that, too.
Love this
what a great voice. nicely done.
Great history lesson
Thanks!
Alumni N.B. Forrest H.S. 1968, Jacksonville, Fla. You him honor in this video.
Could the narrator and voice of TFtNT give us his name at the beginning and end of each episode? Thank you! Addictive history.
His name is Fred Kiger. He's from North Carolina.
One of my ancestors, escaped fort donelson with Forrest and his men rather than surrender
.... rather than fight
Bravo 👏 ❤
I'm related to him somehow
Hey it`s Forrest Gump`s grandad !
This Narrator is cool 😎
A true Southern patriot.
traitor is the word, he fought against the US, or maybe you too dumb to know that
I did a college assignment on him , but could not grasp the concept emancipation on an assignment, got the degree though. I took a class on African American history and Native American history.
Bravo 👏 bravo 👏
Superb Fred. The wizard of the saddle, indeed.
And Grand Wizard of the KKK
I love all your content:)
Are you going to offer Merch? A coffee cup would be an amazing addition to my A.M routine!!:)
What a GREAT MAN!!
Shelby Foote told that fallen timbers embellishment as if it were gospel. I respected Shelby, but I think that was the novelist coming out in him.
FROM A SCOTS MAN. 😮😊
Arguably the best horse soldier of the war in all theaters, on either side
Mosby did better in a smaller area, under more heat. Stuart was a better cavalryman.
My favorite MAN. GOD HAS Had to BLESS HIM ❤❤❤❤❤
your not well..
@@brentinnes5151 Not at all...
Don't think so, Cletus.
For WHAT? Authorizing the murder of unarmed Union POWs? Being the first Imperial Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan?
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Part 2
Firstest with the mostest!
He was MOH winner Forest Gumps great grandfather.
Where is pt 2
THERE HAS NEVER BEEN ANYONE UNTIL THAT WW2 HEREO THAT BECAME A COWBOY HERO
I'd hate to play poker with ole Forest...
He was reincanated as Genersl George Patton.
Save America at all or Any cost ?
Just . . . woh. If there's a statue of this man, somewhere , may it never be torn down. We all have our faults yeti he was an example to us all.
Well, there is that one hideous statue of him, obviously made by the cheapest bidder during Jim Crow. 😂
He was a traitor and the architect of Americas first terrorist organization
Too late....the "hideous one" was removed and taken away, and the good one in a park in I think Memphis
60-96,000 a year selling slaves. Yikes 😳
That was his yearly income combined , slaves, cotton, real estate etc.
Human trafficking !
God Bless Nathan Bedford Forest ❤❤❤
So this mythology on Forrest is just going to touch on the shiny side of the coin that was Forrest I see?! Will part 2 show the seedy side?
Why don't you make your own video instead of whining?
...or just keep whining
You mean the war criminal side?
Human trafficking and rape of female slaves
Lots of Lost Cause in these comments.
100% lost cause
Yep, every time I read a comment that includes "lost cause," I immediately know I'm reading the parroted words of a crusader.
Indoctrination is real...But you were ok with Lincoln shiting on the constitution...😢 All wars are bankers wars.
@@Matthew-rr4de you’re not aware of the “lost cause” view of the Confederacy, the Civil War and Reconstruction? It’s a well documented phenomenon, and some of us even came up in a time and place when it was the prevailing (mis)reading of history. Your terms “parroted” and “crusader” suggest that your own view of American history is colored by bad thinking.
@rongreen8962 How could I not be aware of " lost cause"? Every time a single word of truth is openly spoken regarding the South, one of you spouts it off as if it's your mantra. It gives you the blanket cover you need when pressed with opposing viewpoints that otherwise would force you to reconsider what you've been taught. And yes, many of you are, by definition, crusaders. Without standing, you automatically adopt the moral high ground for yourselves. It's a misguided and immature emotional response. There's little scholarship in your positions. But, you never seem to miss on the emotional response based social justice crutch. Y'all are a silly people. You're still wanting your glory and you aim to get it by continuing to whip and blame the South. You'll never get it with your fake righteousness. Your group-think bs is weak. Here's the thing you and your ilk perpetually fail to understand; the truth is a stubborn thing. The truth is a patient thing. When it's not on your side, you'll always lose the long game. Fail. Again.
I think if he was running the southern army. Might have been a different outcome.
Don't think so..
Maybe not. But still a tough hombre.@@nagone11
@@marknewton6984 A psychopath..
Maybe so. But a tough one..
@@marknewton6984 We should have never venerated the opponents of our union.
He was a brilliant tactician in battles and good leader of his troops.. he likely would not have made any difference in a higher command.
As a Grand Wizard of the KKK, he will always be remembered as a villian (very understandable) in many peoples opinion. He, like many people, was a product of his upbringing, culture and early ideals.
Like former Senator Robert Byrd, his views changed later in life. For many, his change in character and actions is considered "too little to late" and deemed unforgivable..
I would not an hold the man up as a paragon of virtue.. but as an example that people can change.
There are many examples of former white supremacists, just as there are many former gang members, who after years of hateful views and hurtful, criminal and deplorable actions have managed to change who and what they were.. becoming a "better person".
We are human. We can change. We are not required to forgive or forget the past lives of those who were responsible for horrible misdeeds..
We are human.. we have the free will to feel the way we choose..
Be Well!! 😃
A Grand Wizard is nothing but a high degreed Free mason !
You dont mention what happened to the slave who was with the two women who were stuck in the river . Was she left to drown ?
Comprehension. The slave was the man driving the carriage. Forrest helped push the carriage out of the water.
In order to appreciate Forrest the Calvaryman, one must overlook Forrest the man. He was a great General. No doubt about it. It doesn't seem fair that as a soldier, one would have to overlook his KKK days and his racism. But tactics win wars. Not emotion. So study Nathan's tactics for war and as for being a better person, try studying God's Word.
Tactics were amazing. Personal life not so much.
Too much opinion. Not enough balance
To much of a leadup, I couldn’t even get to the story !
I am a yankee, but I find NBF fascinating. After reading Shelby Foote`s 3 volume book set (Foote said Lincoln and Forrest were the 2 most intelligent and important men to have been invoved in the war ). I have huge respect for Forrest and of course, Lincoln. The final shot at Shiloh was at NBF. He was shot through the saddle and used a Union private as a shield by lifting him by the collar and yanking(lol, no pun intended) up held him till he was out of range. I believe this is untrue , but is sure fun to imagine!! I thank God the Union won the war because we needed every man of worth to build this country and both Reb. and Yank. were needed in WWII and the following wars in which we have found ourselves in.
Forrest was NOT the most remarkable man from either side.