Sacred Trust Talks 2016 - Myths about Lee’s Surrender
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 ส.ค. 2016
- This talk covers some of the most interesting points from the books “Thirty Myths about Lee’s Surrender” and “More Myths about Lee’s Surrender”. Some of the myths started with the soldiers themselves in April 1865. Other myths have been created in the generations since the war. Explore what really happened at Appomattox-separating myth from fact. Presented by Patrick A. Schroeder, Park Historian at Appomattox Court House National Historical Park.
I have always loved how much attention is paid to Lee. Grant has always been so much more fascinating and more noble and humble.
He was also the better general nor was he a traitor
@NO Lainstead of opening your mouth and letting your belly rumble you should actually study Gen Grant"s campaigns to understand why he is the greatest American general. Whereas Lee, instead of Napoleon, should have studied the Duke of Wellington's Peninsula campaigns to learn how a small army can hold off a much larger opponent for years.
@@Ettrick8 ummmmm.... I think that General Lee actually did hold off a much larger, better equipped, better clothed and better fed army for years.... he defeated the union army on multiple occasions and yes... defeated the Army of the Potomac when General Grant was with General Meade (commander of the AoP) on more than one occasion.
You are, of course, entitled to your opinion of General Lee on the subject of being a traitor.... however.... if he was actually a traitor, I ask your opinion why was he never tried as such? Jefferson Davis wasn't tried either.... reason being that the feds knew or feared that if brought into court that the subject of secession may have been proven constitutional according to the laws of the time.
I neither defend nor condemn Lee or anyone of that time period for doing what they felt they had to do.... according to customs of the time and not seen through modern eyes.
And, yes, Gen. Grant was a great General as well. He was able to pull all of the union forces together and direct them to fight a war on multiple fronts in a coordinated effort. He was the only one that understood how to win that terrible war.
@@stevestringer7351
Lee was accidentally forced into his defensive strategy in the last year of the war because he had bled the confederacy dry of manpower through his over-aggressive strategy. He should have adopted this defensive stragegy from the start but his unnecessary aggression resulted in him suffering 209,000 casualties over the course of the Civil War compared to Grant's 154,000. Grant had a low casualty rate until he went to Toe-to-Toe with Lee. He took Lee in a bear hug and wouldn't let go until it was over.
I do condemn Lee as he broke his oath as an Army officer. He was also out of step with a number of his family who chose to stay loyal to the Union. As for being legally acceptable I don't know but he was going to be indicted for treason. I suggest you read "The Lost Indictment of Robert E. Lee: The Forgotten Case against an American Icon
by John Reeves (Author)."
As for Grant he was the best General in the Civil War capturing 3 armies , devising the strategy that would win the war (based on Winfield Scotts's Anaconda Plan") , etc, etc, etc
As for Lee I recently come to the conclusion that he was only really successful because of Stonewall Jackson. After Jackson died, Lee never seems to win any battle.
Just know the victory writes history
United States Colored Troops (U.S.C.T.) taking care of business in Virginia.
Thank you for your service.
Very good lecture. Thanks to the speaker
Great presentation. Very informative and enjoyable.
I'd love to do a battlefield tour of the Civil War.
Have nothing like that in our history.
That same homeowner, Wilmer McLean, also owned the property at Manassas, where the first battle was fought.
I'm 61 and learnt that in Junior High history class. Any other tidbits ya wanna throw out there?
@@carywest9256 I’m 60, so did I . I taught those classes for years. It wasn’t included, so I included it. What’s your contribution? Or are you just a curmudgeon?
The last man to be killed in The War Between the States was from either Illinois or Indiana at The Battle of Palmetto Ranch East of Brownsville,Texas near the Rio Grande river in May of 1865.
By the way,the Confederate troops won that battle.
Indiana
Fortunately they lost the war and the argument
Was the Confederate commander Gen. Stand Waite (native American)
@@Ettrick8 you sure seem to have a lot of opinions.
@@stevestringer7351 Sorry I didn't realise that opinions were being rationed nowadays
I also have a cousin who served in the 120 NYVI and died on the second day at Gettysburg. Captain Lansing Hollister.
An informative talk by an engaging speaker - thanks for sharing
A couple of comments, first, thanks to the speaker for a very insightful presentation. Around 54:00 - 55:00 he speaks of Meade not being in the room when the surrender takes place and only refers to the difficulties of logistics. Grant was a very political man and was already looking to his life after the war and he knew the importance of that meeting in the consciousness of the nation. Grant had no desire to share the glory of such a singular event. Also, Meade was largely a figure head, he commanded the AoP but he did what he was told to do. Meade was both the hero & villain of Gettysberg, severely criticized for his inaction, brought before congress and never really regained his good name. (IMO criticism of his inaction after Gettysberg is justified, had Meade had the fighting spirit of Grant, Lee, Jackson or Forrest he could probably have ended the war in July 1863)
My second comment is about the possibility of a guerilla war instead of surrender, Davis gets a lot of unjustified accusations for calling for guerilla war. He did not and even tho this speaker does not specifically say he did, what he did say seemed ambiguous enough to leave some listeners with the impression he did. Again, he did not. When he told Gen Johnston to continue fighting, he was talking to a general at the head of an army. Pres Davis never called for guerilla fighting (even if he considered it he ultimately came to agree with RE Lee on the matter. One of Davis' aides recorded after the war that he had said in winter / spring of 1865 "Guerillas become brigands and ANY gov't is better than that."
Stephen Troup Hi, wow, you know alot! Davis was a remarkable man.
Wrong, Grant did not like politics.
Lee soldiers and ifgicirts kept their horses and sidearms I think
I think I finally understand the Simpson middle name enigma; that I always thought contradicting to the added middle initial by a West Point staffer story.
Simpson was his mother's maiden name
I loved that school room game, while in school , unfortunately it goes on in the real world
In ten more years, truths will continue surface.
9:00 The speaker cleared his throat for the last time, so far as I'm concerned.
How do you know ,you wasn't their
Did General Lee get to keep his sword?
alphaone101 Yes. Grant never asked for it and Lee never offered it.
Lee’s sword should have been shoved up his slave owning ass and white supremest prick.
jimmy day grant didn’t own slaves- Lee did. Stop lying.
@@ikant312 I believe that jimmy day is correct that Lee didn't own slaves but Grant did, or possibly it was Grants father. I remember reading that one of them owned 1 or 2 slaves and I'm pretty sure it was General Grant.
alphaone101 who did the cooking and cleaning at Arlington House?
the confederacy lost the war, but was allowed to win the peace...
Not really, unless you mean in sentiment.
Lee only left his beloved Virginia twice during the Civil War. Once at Antietam and the second time at Gettysburg. Both times he and his so called Army of Northern Virginia were soundly whipped and came close to annihilation.
Lee refused to support his fellow Southerners at Vicksburg or any other battle outside of Virginia.
Lee lost.
Lee remained on the field a day after Antietam, inviting further action. Hard to see how he was "soundly whipped". Clearly a yankee viewpoint, so who cares.
Hi, before you leave a comment, learn your history! Lee spent a year building defenses all around the south!❤️
@@carolbell8008 Miss Carol your just wasting time commenting back to "will outlaw".
For this creature is a vile cretin,spewing hatred upon the South & Southerners alike.
@@carywest9256 exactly right. That vile person knows nothing of true history and pretends to be all knowing. What a mess he is.
I find it ironic that thee surrender ceremony occured on a Sunday afternoon and five days later on Friday evening (which happened to be the Christian holy day of Good Friday) was when Lincoln was killed by Booth. What a loss!
And the introduction was read by an illiterate Suzy-Q.
I could care less what a yankee has to say about General Lee.
I agree zippy.
There is nothing worth remembering about Robert E. Lee other than he was a treasonous traitor who sucked off of the U.S. government for most of his life and then betrayed the trust.
Oh yes. We also know him as Lee the loser.
@@willoutlaw4971 I thought it was Mcclellan the loser.
Lee was a slavery defending treasonous loser who led slavery defending treasonous losers. They all should have been exterminated after the rebellion.
@@willoutlaw4971 I can't believe that even after 155 years people like you still have such closed minds about the Civil War, and the greatest general the American Continent has ever produced, even if he had faults and made mistakes, as everyone does.