Wikipedia's "Missing" Kingdom
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 มิ.ย. 2024
- You often expect internet hoaxes to be modern inventions, but on the Wikipedia article about the Kingdom of Powys, one particular hoax stood standing, that was invented in 1801.
Welsh history is no stranger to inventions, hoaxes, mistakes, and mysteries, but when it comes to Teyrnllwg, its impact on the internet, and on the history of Wales, is very unusual.
Chapters:
0:00 - The Wikipedia Article
0:55 - The Medieval Kingdom that Never Existed
2:45 - The King of Teyrnllwg
5:49 - The Source
7:28 - Iolo Morganwg
11:05 - Myv. Arch.
13:14 - Full Circle
14:55 - Crusader Kings II
16:41 - Community
Sources (turn on captions):
Bartrum, P.C. (1993). A Welsh Classical Dictionary: People in History and Legend up to about A.D. 1000. The National Library of Wales.
[1] p.81-82,
[2] 82-83.
The Diocese of Chester (2017).
[3] www.chester.anglican.org/scho...
Dumville, D. (2002). Annales Cambriae, A.D. 682-954: Texts A-C in Parallel. Cambridge: University of Cambridge, Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse and Celtic,
[4] p. 8-9
Forbes, A.P. (1874). Lives of S. Ninian and S. Kentigern. Edinburgh: Edmonston and Douglas.
[5] p.331.
Gunn, W. (1819). The Historia Brittonum. London: John and Arthur Arch.
[6] p.158.
Ithel, A. (1851). The Pillar of Eliseg. Archaeologia Cambrensis, 2.
[7] p. 296-297
Kenyon, D. (1991). The Origins of Lancashire. Manchester University Press.
[8] p.71.
Jones, O. (1801). The Myvyrian Archaiology of Wales - Volume II. S. Rousseau: London.
[9] p.474.
[10] Jones, T. (2015). Brut Y Tywysogion, Or Chronicle of Princes: Peniarth MS 20 Version. 2nd ed. University of Wales Press.
Lloyd, J.Y.W. (1881). The History of Powys Fadog. London: T. Richards.
[11] p. 6
Owen, R. (1897). Welsh Pool and Powys-Land. Welshpool: R. & M. Owen.
[12] p.17.
Phillimore, E.G.B. (1886). A Fragment from Hengwrt MS. No. 202. Y Cymmrodor, 7.
[13] p.119
Smith, J.R. (1864). Brut y Tywysogion. Archaeologia Cambrensis, 10.
[14] p. 8-9
Williams, G. J., (1959). Dictionary of Welsh Biography.
[15] JONES, OWEN (Owain Myfyr; 1741 - 1814)
[16] PUGHE, WILLIAM OWEN (1759 - 1835), lexicographer, grammarian, editor, antiquary, and poet.
[17] WILLIAMS, EDWARD (Iolo Morganwg, 1747 - 1826), poet and antiquary.
Williams, T. (1848). Iolo Manuscripts. Llandovery: William Rees.
[18] p.86, 476,
[19] 129, 531.
[note 1] *two texts. One of these was identical to the other, which I only realised after the video was uploaded.
daird's playthrough: forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/...
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Music courtesy of the TH-cam Audio Library:
Beginnings (Intro) - Tower of Light
Loop-Caught - Andrew Langdon
September Pass - Asher Fulero
Wolf Mother - Loopop
The Beaten Path - Andrew Langdon
Gas Giant - I Think I Can Help You
Heaven and Hell - Jeremy Blake
Fortress Europe - Dan Bodan
Average - Patrick Patrikios
Dark Matter - Chasms
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Images of, and from:
Flag of Powys, Coat of arms of Powys - AlexD, CC BY-SA 3.0, creativecommons.org/licenses/..., via Wikimedia Commons
Map of Medieval Wales - Owj20, Public domain, via Wikimedia Commons
Powys landscape near Foel - Manfred Heyde, CC BY-SA 3.0, via Wikimedia Commons
Powys Cantrefi - Aetheling1125, CC BY-SA 3.0, via Wikimedia Commons
all other images are public domain, via the British Library, the National Library of Wales, and the Yale Center for British Art.
"My divorce hearing" 💀
XD
Best opening of one of these vids so far
Right? Hell of a way to kick things off.
To be fair I wouldn't call it much of a "hearing" since I wasn't listening to anything
@@CambrianChronicles Dude . . . you're an absolute legend.
The video: a well edited reminder not to blindly trust Wikipedia.
The comments: "No, I'm not actually getting divorced."
Duality of man
Where's that comment
This is much more complicated than simple or obvious vandalism. It's actually far more chilling to me that a mistake like this - an unintended one it seems - can take years to spot and remove. Since editors are usually not bonafide experts in what they write or read or copy edit.
I love how this channel's editing is becoming progressively more unhinged as you uncover that Iolo is seemingly behind every minor errors on welsh wikipedia, in the most pointless machiavelic plot
I want a whole episode on this guy
This seems ripe for a crossover with Thoughty2.
Iolo really believed in the saying YOLO.
@@JohnGeorgeBauerBuis seriously, that guy? the guy who barely researches his topics beyond a surface level?
@@slwrabbits I really want to know what compelled this man to forge so much medieval history.
Bro browsed Wikipedia at his court lol
Tried to during jury duty but apparently that was "inappropriate" so I had to wait
Man didn't let the haters get to him 🤣
Many such cases
@@CambrianChronicles Damm gota say this is way more inportant than court this vid is god damm awesome dont know why but it is.
But please atend court you dont wana lose.
@@CambrianChroniclesat least, you are not fully cut off from the world as jury in the UK like most places in America do. On the other hand, American courts cannot ban and arrest journalists for reporting on a trial. I'm surprised one is allowed to have a smartphone as juror while the trial is active
"This is wrong in two ways. Firstly, no it doesn't." I respect you for not just leaving it there.
Always got to dive deep and find the inevitable Victorian-hoax answer.
Ironically I don't where the user originally got the Annales Cambriae from
I read your comment as he spoke it 🤯🤯
The Crusader Kings 2 connection is fascinating! It reminds me of an incident where a Wikipedia user made up a fictional system of naval ranks and ship classifications for the medieval Indian Chola Empire, and one of those made-up ship classes ended up being included in the Dynasties of India expansion for Age of Empires 2.
Ah I'd heard about that, do you know if they ever corrected it? Unlike CKII it seems that Age of Empires 2 still gets their developer's attention
What about Fire Emblem 4 inventing a Norse weapon, knowing it was a fake, but because all the others in the game were based on real mythological Norse weapons, people who played the game assumed it was a real weapon they just hadn't heard of before, and it ended up on Wikipedia articles about Norse mythology, where other games ended up adding it.
@@CambrianChronicles Pretty sure the CK2 dev cycle is over because CK3 has been released. Could be wrong though.
@@CambrianChronicles The ship in question remains in the game, though at least one of the responsible Developers has given a statement on that mistake (it's kind of lackluster)
I assume it will remain in place, unless a big stink is raised, but aoe has had some "controversies" since then.
(The aoe 2 community seems to simply want to complain, i count myself as in their ranks, thouhh is dislike this tendency for negativity) Overall, there are a number of historical inaccuracies and anachronisms in aoe2, that i suspect will remain in the game for the forseeable future, though i suppose game balance is weighted higher than historical accuracy with it being a competetive game, afterall, i don't recall mayans and Celts or romans and Bengalis ever facing off on the battlefield.
I actually still play ck2
This video reminds me of the CGP Grey video "Someone Dead Ruined My Life… Again." where Mr. Grey describes one of the rabbit holes he went down looking for the first use of the name "Tiffany," that led to a dead end after months of research.
I was thinking the same thing! Darned Victorians with their remarkably lax historiography standards.
Yeah dude we all saw that video
@@GameyRaccoonstop being stuck a stick in the mud 🤦♀️
@@GameyRaccoonFalse. I didn't :P
@@BrooksMoses It's still better than the ancient world standard of "Trust me bro."
Probably the best relaxing-to-entertaining ratio of any history channel right now
Thank you very much!
@@CambrianChronicles You’re welcome, Cambrian Chronicles™️
I second this.
Both being relaxing and being entretaining are good, so, let's say that this chanel has r=100 and e=100, then the ratio would be r/e=1, but uf it were a bad chanel, and both r and e were 1, the ratio would still be 1. This ratio tells you basically nothing.
@@juanignaciolopeztellechea9401
🤓☝️”Uhm, aktually. The measurement you used does not adequately explain your critical opinion on the quality of the subject matter.”
You know you're in for a wild ride when Iolo Morganwg is in the thumbnail
We keep seeing Iolo and having to restrain ourselves from jokingly referencing Ultima.
7:07 "they finally cite a comprehensible source, and it's a surprising one."
Me: "British Goblins? It had better be British Goblins."
British Goblins deep dive coming someday
Please god I want the British goblins
British Goblin? My ass.
@@kbye2321 "British Goblins" is a book referenced in another video on this channel: "The Internet's Flag that Doesn't Exist." Either you missed the in-joke or I misunderstand your comment.
@@AngerAndScience …it’s a dirty joke.
Now I didn't expect Crusader Kings 2 of all things to be brought up in this story
Why? It came to my minf when i saw his first video
I am not surprised, Paradox do a massive amount of background research but since CK2 is in a huge area they can't actually dig through all the sources so things like this are sometimes wrong. The spelling error shows us they checked Wikipedia but not the source material.
I'm more surprised it hasn't come up sooner
@@pleaseuseOdysee yeah exactly
It's literally the first thing that came to mind when he said that I'd probably not heard of Powys.
Cambrian over here has been upping the humor each video without compromising the educational value. You love to see it
Haha thank you, I'm glad you liked it!
I hope you'll get along fine with Ordovician
Craziest thing about this is the fact that the crusader kings people were using the wikipedia page as their sole source for that part of the game lmao
Another commenter mentioned that apparently that expansion is notorious for poor sourcing, I don't know much about it unfortunately
@@CambrianChronicles Yes the Charlemagne bookmark is infamous for it. Most of the characters on the map are essentially made up. The sad thing is that given how well documented (relatively speaking) Wales is in terms of dynastic history they made this sort of error.
Yeah I remember a similar thing happened where someone made up a whole fleet of fake Chola navy ships and an Age of Empires game included them.
i'm pretty sure that they've done that for like every historical character at least in ck2 and ck3 because there's a little icon that's like "historical character" and if you click on it it just brings you to their wikipedia page
@@junipre985still just wikipedia
"One of the problems of relying on community moderation, is that that community needs to exist." - That's a great way of defining the no.1 problem with Wikipedia. You need people who "know" to check and re-check Wiki articles; if such people are absent, some can post any kind of BS on that page.
If Iololol were alive today, he'd be the Chuck Norris of destructive Wikipedia contributions. Thank you for the video. (I'm looking forward to your next one: _"How a Mysterious TH-cam Comment Led to Me Killing People with a Rock."_ )
Sounds like the final video in some ARG lol
Well said! If even a dead Iolo (or Trollo, at this point) made such a mess of Wikipedia articles about Wales, what havoc would a living one make with a Wikipedia account?
Also, what's with that comment?
@@Hand-in-Shot_ProductionsAbout 2/3 way, one of the cutaway edits was a screenshot of a comment asking for a video of CC killing people with a rock.
@@jaegrant6441 entering the chronicles slasher era
@@CambrianChronicles I wonder if the reason he decided to forge so many things was because he had spent so much time finding everything, he'd lose face if he announced that he ended up with nothing so as an obsessive nut with an intellectual's ego, Iolo eventually decided to solve the issue by forging everything by mixing different truths and lies. Must have been a very smart fella to make such convincing claims without being outed by his peers. I actually think this issue is more common than people might think (the fact that an expert "faked" something just to satisfy themselves).
The fact the Crusader Kings II typo could only have been made by looking at wikipedia and not checking the source (insofar as that being the advice my teachers had back in school) is up there with the author who looked up how to make colour dye and wrote what he found in a TLoZ: Breath Of The Wild tips and tricks article 🤣
I had the same advice in school lol, it seems to have done me some good at least. I'll have to read some more about that author, that sounds like such a strange mistake to make!
Who did the Zelda one? I hope the same person isn't trying to float through holding a chicken over his head
To be fair to the CK developers, they had to put together data on thousands of rulers and political entities stretching from Iceland to India. I can’t blame them for not verifying the academic sources for each minor noble, since this would have added a lot of extra hours to the project, and I imagine their bosses had other priorities.
@@napoleonfeanorIt was from the novel “A Traveller at the Gates of Wisdom” by John Boyne (author of “The Boy in the Striped Pyjamas”). Despite being set in the 5th Century Hun Empire and not in Hyrule, it lists such ingredients as keese wing, silent princess, Hylian shrooms, octorok eyeball and lizalfos tail.
@@KorKhan89 Nice homage. Only heard about the author because there was some controversy about his holocaust novel.
Can I have £100?
To go around and find ancient manuscripts?
Of course...
[ actually forges medieval chronicles like a boss ]
Victorian scammer final boss
@@CambrianChroniclescan you imagine the availability of human bones in the middle ages? I would have been drinking well of all my "relic" money.
😎
The perpetuation of misinformation because of Crusader Kings II was not the finale I expected, but if it isn't a scenario I'm strangely familiar with. On December 16th, 2013, an edit was made to the Wikipedia article "List of mythological objects" that claimed that Ichaival was the name of a bow wielded by the Norse god Odin. The editor claimed that a second source stated this bow came from the land of Ýdalir, home of the god of skiing and archery Ullr. The edit also described the bow as being able to release ten arrows when using just one. This addition had no source to either of their sources. This false claim would remain until 2018, well after the name would be included in the mythological-inspired MOBA Smite in 2014.
It was thought that the name was added to the Wikipedia article in response to the anime Symphogear, which aired in 2012. In the series, the titular Symphogear - armor worn by the characters - are named after various figures and items from various pantheons. Among the names was イチイバル, romanized in official material as Ichaival, which often took the form of two crossbows. That being said, there was nothing in the show that suggested a connection to the god Odin.
The only documented use of the name イチイバル prior to Symphogear was the 1996 Super Famicom game Fire Emblem: Genealogy of the Holy War - a game that heavily references Irish and Norse mythology. In the game, イチイバル, romanized by official Japanese media as Ichii-bal, was a bow originally belonging to a woman named ウル, officially romanized as Ulir. This name ウル is commonly used in regards to Norse mythology for the name of the afforementioned god of archery, Ullr. In fact, when this character had her name officially localized to languages beyond Japanese in July of 2021, her name was localized as Ullr.
So then what is actually going on with the name イチイバル? Frankly speaking, it's not Norse in origin. It's a wonder it took so long for people to figure that out. Rather, the name combines イチイ, the Japanese word for a yew tree, and what is likely meant to be a rendering of the English word "vale". The name's official localization to English in 2013 was Yewfelle, which is speculated to be the word yew next to a corruption of the word valley, vale, or the French vallée.
The truth of this name lies both in the very myths of the achery god himself, and those false claims of 2013. As mentioned in that fateful Wikipedia edit, Ullr's home was called Ýdalir. When translated from Old Norse to English, Ýdalir means "yew-dales". イチイバル is just an obtuse rendering of Ýdalir (more commonly ユーダリル), once used as the name of a fictional bow carried by a woman named after the inhabitant of Ýdalir, that managed to be randomly adopted by an anime seventeen years later, then erroneously stated to have originated in Norse myth on Wikipedia another year after that.
And we still have no idea why it was attributed to Odin in the first place.
Wasn't expecting Symphogear to come up here lol. That's a fun example.
i wonder if they thought "fell" sounded better, despite its rather opposite meaning of upland, hill, etc.
@@jaehaerys48Is the anime good?
ichaival? the katakana says i-ti(chi)-i-ba-ru (ichival), if it was ichaival, it would have been イチァイバル
@@qoombert I don't get it either, but all Japaneses sources I've seen for Symphogear state that Ichaival is the official romanization. Perhaps it was their attempt to make the name seem more foreign and not just their word for a yew tree?
This Iolo guy is just a straight up menace
He did good things too. And his legacy on Welsh culture is significant.
his legacy on Welsh culture is significant, but the damage he did to Welsh historiography can't be ignored
He decided that Yolo.
The thing is, he must have been absolutely brilliantly talented. Making convincing forgeries is not a trivial task.
Well, as he might have said, “I only live once.”
Welsh Wikipedia is full of lies. It said there was this place called “Port Talbot” but turns out it’s just a set for some post-apocalypse movie. Really immersive to be fair.
The Government is trying to convince you that Port Talbot is real. It isn't, its just a conspiracy by Mr Talbot himself
The Scots Wikipedia had an American teenager who didn’t speak the language who created around 27,000 articles. Actually insane stuff.
Sorry to hear about the divorce. Hope you're doing okay
Don't worry I am unable to actually get a divorce since i need to be married first apparently
@@CambrianChroniclesunvelievable!! the legal system is so messed up
@@CambrianChronicles That's discrimination!
@@CambrianChronicles 🤔
@@CambrianChronicles Hoaxes within hoaxes
"Never heard of it? That's okay, it hasn't heard of you either."
This slayed me! Awesome deadpan delivery, these always come so unexpectedly even though I know he fires these off regularly 😂
I honestly can’t believe you don’t have a whole video dedicated to Iolo Morganwg shenanigans
At 7:17, I audibly groaned “oh no!” This about someone I had never heard of before your Anwn Ddu video.
Glad to have you invested!
Came for the nice thumbnail stayed for the killer transitions
Thank you, glad you enjoyed it!
Edward Williams is the best jumpcut ever.
"Well clearly its the guy this whole video has been about, whos portrait youve left on screen next to two other guys and said "three men"... Wait that was bai-- oh."
0:03 Hell of a way to start a video
As usual, I found this quite informative! Now, I've learned what "Teyrnllwg" is: a nickname for a ruler (spelled "Deyrnllwg" or "Dyrnlluc", or "Gleaming-Hilt") turned into a large "lost kingdom" in Chester by Iolo Morganwg, then later turned into an "older name" for Powys.
It kind of reminds me of "Anwn Ddu", the subject the first video I watched from you: another non-existent aspect of medieval Welsh history created from messing with the spelling of pre-existing words, involving Iolo the forger, leading to an unsuspecting Wikipedia editor adding it in.
As another Wikipedia editor, I appreciate your fact-checking. Thanks for making this video!
Dawg wtf is that opening 😭
mans gotta find a way to stave off bordem
Getting married and divorced once a week is a common hobby amongst me and myself
@@CambrianChroniclesyour divorce lawyer must love you, both of you.
The way you find inconsistencies and address them... You could be talking about anything, this channel'll always be a treat. Cheers to you.
channel'll lol. I'm keeping it.
Thank you, I'm glad you're enjoying the video!
I'm currently playing EU4, produced by the same creators as Crusader Kings II, and I have just rerleased Wales in my game. The ruler it generated is 'Duke Cynan Ternyllwg' so it looks as though the error is safely stored in the Paradox name list.
Oh wow I had no idea, wish I could've included that now, thanks for sharing!
I just saw you posted this and said OUT LOUD "Ohh yes new Cambrian Chronicles". You have me trained
Finally my Cambrian Chronicles Sleeper Cell programme is working!
You've been Pavlov'd by Cambrain Chronicles!
This isn't directly related to this exact topic but I couldn't help but think just How crazy easy it could be for things to get lost in history, in time.
It's very easy, the majority of human existence isn't recorded, and we've even lost plenty of things just over the past few centuries!
@@CambrianChronicles It's actually such a trip to contemplate this. Can you even imagine what was lost just from The Burning of The Library of Alexandria?
@@benmcreynolds8581far less than people think. It already was very much in disrepair and there are many legends about it and how either the Romans, Christians or Muslims destroyed the rest.
Bro’s approach to finding topics to peruse in Welsh history is frankly how I sniff out royal trivia, history and scandal. You all laugh, but it works
Also, someone (literally today) has removed the typo. Evidently things spread quickly.
And as to CKII, that Welsh typo is not even one of the most egregious things from the content provided in the DLCs that allow for earlier start date. Like, the older Hungary’s for example are *ATROCIOUS*
Yeah! In Assassin's Creed Odyssey you can visit Atlantis which I am 60% sure wasn't a real place.
Is this the same thing? I am very old.
@@MichaelMiller-tm2os It’s not necessarily that they site plausible literature or scholarship for their set ups, or incorporate mythology (with AC does to enhance and the world and nobody blinks because that’s just what they do), it’s just that they ignore real, genuine history of the time. Like portraying late 8th century Hungary as this savage, unorganized place filled with Turkic pagans even though the region is actually thought to have spoken a Slavic tongue and was already quite Christian, and the earliest start date still takes places before the predecessors ethnic Hungarians actually moved into the region in the 9th century.
How coincidental! I'm watching this during my divorce hearing!
Soon it will be mandatory watching in court
LOL for both of you, y'all funny :D
Oh! You were the guy held in contempt!
Powisorum Rex sounds like the name of some obscure dinosaur
A dinosaur that lived primarily off leeks
Many geological timescales are named after Welsh tribes
Pantydraco is an obscure Welsh dinosaur.
@@vincentvangoatse2962, I assume that it lived off of leaks because they're a symbol of Wales. In that case, that's a clever reply!
Karl is another name for an obscure Dinosaur.
SIR DOES ANY PART OF WALES ACTUALLY EXIST OR IS IT ALL LOST/FORGOTTEN/A HOAX?
Nope, not even me, I'm just a vivid hallucination
@@CambrianChronicles I knew it was too good to be true
@@CambrianChroniclesdamn you fooled me
6:35 on page 119, Gunn (1819) says some O. Pughe gave him a manuscript (MS). Have we come full circle twice (William Owen Pughe) ?
Oooohhhhhhh that makes so much more sense, I spent ages trying to find what that was and missed it entirely lol.
Confirms that it was from Myv Arch at least then!
This comment should be pinned
9:23 he started getting funky with the transitions
Bird & paper aeroplane should be required in all videos I think
@@CambrianChronicles classic elementary school philosophy, very hard to argue against
this is probably one of my favorite channels on the internet :) as someone who's partially deaf, the cited captions are extremely helpful to interpret of the weird welsh names and the ever-increasing bits of lore that pop up in these videos :) time to add a divorce timeline to my cambrian chronicles lore book
Thank you! I always use captions, so I try to make them good on my video, helps people with unfamiliar names too like you said!
At this point, it might be a good idea to do an investigation into the life of Iolo in order to find and root out any other misinformation that could possibly have lived on to this day.
The way English writes its uppercase letters it really makes the name Iolo look hilariously confusing 💀
It's almost like he was a time travelling troll haha.
I really REALLY hate how most fonts write capital i the same way as lowercase L
Iolo Morganwg forging documents: "This is going to fuck up so many Wikipedia pages"
I also applaud the opening,
On another note, I think the world needs a whole movie about Iolo.
In the year 2124, in a hyper-net hologram essay: How the ancient youtuber Cambrian Chronicles fabricated all of Welsh history.
Iolo Morganwg is probably Cambrian Chronicle's arch nemesis
The fact that one of the most notorious forgers was named Iolo is absolutely hilarious.
This channel is quickly becoming one of my favorite history channels on youtube. Super high quality content about one specific and fairly niche topic, but I'm all here for it.
Within the first hour of its posting all references to Teyrnllwg were removed and even in the talk page you were referenced as a well researched video. I don’t know if you already knew this but I think that it is nice to see how fast people act
Also Good luck with the hearing
Cambrian Chronicles entering his Joker arc reading Wikipedia entries for anything not taught in middle school history
The use of the really obscure transitions is brilliant. I didn't even know there was a bird transition
The bird transition is my personal favourite!
the jon bois editing style is so compelling for some reason
I discovered this channel kinda recently and my goodness I love it so much. I've always loved history (my college major is in history), but I never realized just how fascinating Welsh history is. It actually prompted me to pick up this book I found at the library called Spindle and Dagger, which is historical fiction about a king of Powys, funnily enough. It was a good book and while I cannot vouch for the historical accuracy, the author seemed to know what they were doing well enough. Have a nice day!!
If I had a shot for every video where you say "this should be the end right?" before unearthing several centuries of history forgotten by mankind
Edward Williams really said "YOLO" and forged welsh history
Awesome video. The same problems are faced by other niche interests on Wikipedia. I have seen it numerous times in articles on myriapodology (the study of millipedes and centipedes).
He is back!!!! Always a good day when you post
Thank you, I hope you enjoyed it!
You have got to have some of the best storytelling and comedic timing on this whole website
Haha thank you, I appreciate that!
“The land was said to be from Chester, all the way up to Cumbria”
Elmet: “Am I a joke to you?”
Apparently! He doesn't mention it in the Principle Territories at all
@@CambrianChronicles yeah that’s insane. I know Bede mentioned Elmet but did Nennius?
Amazing work as always! I've posted on the article's talk page about this vid, hopefully they should fix the issue on the article.
Thank you, it seems to have already been removed!
This channel is one of my favourite up and coming youtube channels. Never been more interested in welsh history as i currently am. I love how you arent just regurgitating "pop history", and instead actually read and cite actual historical text with the depth they deserve.
Thank you, I really appreciate that!
All your videos are so elegantly made, I didn't realise you were using PowerPoint until the origami transition at 9:23!
Only that part is in PowerPoint lol, although the older videos did use it a lot more!
Always a good day when a new Cambrian Chronicles video drops.
Glad to hear!
I appreciate all the weird things you stumble upon and decide to share
Thank you, they're my favourite things to talk about
12:40 Your sense of humour is magnificent, the timing, delivery - trully excellent. I love your videos, they are interesting and very pleasurable to watch:)
I live in Wales. Your channel is required watching.
Diolch!
I live in Minnesota, and it is required watching.
Bruh I wasn't expecting CK2 at the end
It always appears when you least expect it
@@CambrianChronicles Because of this video I'm gonna redownload the game form wales and rename it to Teyrnllwg
I LOVE GOOGLE EARTH ANIMATION I LOVE HOW THE 3D TRANSITIONS ARE SMOOTH AND USES DEPTH ILLUSIONS
THANK YOU I'M GLAD TO HEAR! DEFINITELY CHECK OUT JON BOIS AS HE PIONEERED THE STYLE AND IS MUCH BETTER AT IT THAN ANYONE ELSE!
I love your videos' unique editing style and that they're some of the most concise and informative about niche topics like this. Not to mention the strange-at-best humor that displays clearly that you're the type of person to do inhuman amounts of research into what amounts to a single word on a page most people would read and not give a second thought. Hope you get everything in the divorce!
wild opening
Time to get remarried and divorced for the 17th time so I can include it again
Ey, Did the greatest TH-cam Channel just post? Me thinks it has.
Thank you!
These videos are some of my favorite on videos.
Please continue making them.
Man, I adore your editing so much, and the humour is really great too! But most of all, I appreciate your efforts to forge a better understanding of Welsh history, and provide a place for the community the topic to grow.
Thank you very much!
The last part reminds me of the story of Mesperyian, a supposedly ancient Greek goddess who was actually created by a bunch of Tumblr users who misread someone's fanfic as a bad retelling of an ancient myth. A lot of people who didn't care enough to fact check then fell for it and believed her to be a real ancient goddess. This just shows how mistakes like this happen even in large communities like Greek Mythology when crowd moderation is concerned.
And i am guessing none of these idiots noticed that the name is obviously not greek at all rather a random mix of what i am guessing Tumblarites think greek sounds like (i am greek) what a shit show
Fantastic work again. Easily some of the best historical content available.
Thank you very much!
I want to say that you've made me very interested in the history of the British Isles as a whole, and for that, I thank you, and wish you all the best.
I was not expecting to be so enthralled by this video, but damn this was great. Love the broccumentary-style editing, but with the bonus flair. ❤
Thank you for continuing to put out the best content on TH-cam. And, if I may overstep, please keep going
Thank you very much, there’s a lot more to come!
I just started playing Crusader Kings II last week. I didn’t expect it to be mentioned in this video. Lol. This is a very good video. I like that you take the time to research and correct mistakes on Wikipedia.
And now there’s a huge talk section on the article talking about this video, with some significant changes. Well done
How do you keep finding fascinating welsh historical mysteries?! That sounds so incredibly niche and yet you manage to make fascinating investigations into more than I ever would've guessed!
Appreciate these in-depth investigations doing the leg work of historical research few other channels do
These videos are balanced between super interesting story and well crafted video editing. I really enjoy this. I am a blacksmith and interested in history, could you do a video on forgingin welsh history at some point?
That sounds interesting, I want to cover medieval weapons in Wales someday, so I can see if we have much info on their forging
Legitimately your content is very good like I cannot stop watching it every time it pops up in my feed
Seeing you upload always makes my day. Your videos are informative but entertaining; the best of both worlds.
Thank you very much, I'm glad to hear!
Yeah, Nennius lived in Powys during the time of the second Cadell and since he didn't mention Ternyllwg at all in Historia Brittonum, that tells us something fishy is going on.
I do find it worrying that you find so many weird hoaxes on Wikipedia, it makes one wonder if this was specifically common in Wales due to the 18th and 19th century history interested poets or if this is common everywhere but no one actually bothered checking.
Wasn't there a Time team episode when they checked a fake archaeological site where one of these poets have acquired some bronze age artifacts from Germany and placed them around a spring in his land as a hoax? I vaguely remember it.
Wales suffers particularly because its a niche topic, but this will be common anywhere that relies on community moderation.
Although the prevalence of 19th century sources on Welsh Wikipedia definitely won't help
I'm not sure about the time team episode, but that sounds interesting, I can give it a look!
@@CambrianChronicles It can get weirder. I once went to the official source for something related to the Royal Navy (as in, the people who set the rules) and put 'the official rules is this, but common practise is that'. Apparently stuff from Primary Sources is not allowed.
If you are interested, it is officially His Majesties Submarine (Sometimes written HMSm) [Submarine Name] not, His Majesties Ship [Submarine Name]. But HMS is 'allowable through long misuse' (IIRC). Submarines are Boats not Ships. It's the same thing as 'HMS' Gleaner actually being His Majesties Survey Motor Launch (HMSML) Gleaner. Not a ship, see.
It gets even more weird. I am not allowed to chip in on decisions that I wrote one of the key reports on. I'm to close to the subject. But I understand that one, *I* know that I am the very model of an impartial Civil Servant, but nobody else does. So no editing the eventual Wikipedia page on this video, not even if someone edits all mention of Islo out of it.
Wikipedia is great. But, like all sources, it has it's issues.
Victorian era historical literature is plagued by forgery across many subjects. It's so extensive that there's an entire field of historiography dedicated solely to investigating Victorian era sources and those who wrote them.
I LOVE Cambrian's new humour because he never used to tell jokes in his first videos so now they all hit me as hard as my dad.
Thank you for the video!! Love seeing how far channel has come
Thank you, I appreciate that!
Your video editing style reminds me of Jon Bois in the best way and I love that a channel combines fascinating history with that kind of video style
That intro caught me completely off guard, amazing video xD
Glad you liked it!
At this point I'm convinced Wales doesn't exist
I wouldn't be surprised if I don't exist to be honest
thanks for your videos, they fascinate me and teach me so much about countries i’ve never been to.
The editing really reminded me in style of Jon Bois, well done!
I love the humor in these videos
Glad to hear!
Great video, hope we see a video about cadwallon 🙏🙏
Definitely someday, I want to do a few shorter biographies and he'd definitely be on that list
@@CambrianChronicles 👍
I don't know what part is funnier, when you mentioned the third accomplice of the Myvyrian Archaiology of Wales as Edward Williams or the Chapter 7 title card lol
Haha thank you!
Love your videos as always! But I really want to complement you on your video editing, transitions, and music selection too!
Thank you very much, I'm glad you liked it!
The intro joke was so distracting I had to restart the whole thing
Same!😂
That's what I said when the proceedings started
7:15 I swear yoy said "The YOLO manuscript"
Got so fired up when i saw you uploaded. You just keep getting better and better with every video. Stay locked in brother
Thank you!
honestly one of the best channels on youtube imho, you're doing amazing stuff!
Thank you very much!