I just drew the Harvey G700 in Sketchup and uploaded it for anyone looking to plan for one. Thanks for the review Jason, it is what made me feel good about purchasing it!
@@cohesive3482 Go to the Sketchup 3D Warehouse, search for Harvey G700. Then click on Models in the "Showing results from all categories and it should be there.
Thanks for your review of the G700. I have been operating the Harvey in my shop since Spring of 2021, so about 9 months. Here is my list of pros and cons and an observation or two: Pros: 1) size and form factor is really nice - especially if you have low ceilings 2) low noise level comparatively - it all adds up and you will need to use hearing protection 3) ease of emptying dust bins - which hold a manageably low quantity 4) good suction - especially for the low noise emission level 5) remote control to turn on and off 6) reliability 7) good price if you catch a flash sale 8) delivery was smooth and reliable - absolutely no issues 9) prompt, courteous online support for supply orders, technical questions etc. 10) engineering and thought processes around the machine are overall step change improvements over the traditional vertical cyclone dust collector - especially if you have limited space or overhead clearance Cons: 1) HEPA filters fill up quickly 2) very time consuming and mechanically tedious to remove HEPA filters to clean or replace, 3) the filter cleaning method is annoying - (remove cap, scoop pile of fine dust out of bottom of bowl under the filter with your hand, place inlet hose over outlet in back, run machine up to RPM, twist beater bar handles, turn off machine, clean seal on cap and replace it, repeat for the other side). 4) threads on my plastic filter cleaning cap are a bit shallow and fiddly to replace. 5) Dust bins rely on a rubber seal against the plastic dust bin liner that is wrapped over the edge of the steel dust bins to maintain a system seal. It is easy to have some small voids in the seal, which allows some dust to escape before the air goes through the filters. Observation: All of the filter 'Cons' seem to have been addressed by the next larger size Harvey dust processor, the Harvey G800, which is on sale for $6,000 (Jan 2023). Key improvements that I have noticed are: 1) beater bar filter cleaning system replaced by an 'air puffer' system, similar to some of the Festool CT vacuum systems. This is likely to be much better for the lifespan of the filter and the thoroughness of the self cleaning function. This also makes the system more or less self cleaning. 2) Filters appear to be much easier to access and remove for cleaning or replacement. 3) All that said, the unit does not have a significant increase in CFM or maximum static pressure, so some will be put off by that. But the usability may click some boxes for some users. The Bourbon Moth Woodworking TH-cam channel recently put the G800 into their shop. I am hoping that he will post a review at some point, but he is now working on a TV show, so may not have the time.
I bought this as my first ever non-shop vac dust collector, based on your IG video. I found the same problem with middle man companies charging ridiculous prices. I used your discount code, Along with a sale that they were running and got a HUGE discount for it. I’ve told my wife that if she divorces me, she can have everything I own except my guns and my dust collector! I love this machine. I’m actually thinking about upgrading my table saw to a Harvey Alpha series, based on the quality of this dust collector, and their innovative designs! Thanks so much for all the info. You’re presentation is so helpful!
Finally, I have my G700 and metal ducting up and running and filled a couple bags of chips. A nice machine and the ducting was well worth the investment. And while the investment wasn't small, it is the most used machine in the shop. All the things I used to have to do with my old dust collector, such as constantly cleaning out the jointer and plane and checking the chip separator to see if it's full, I don't have to do anymore. And Harvey customer service has been very good as well.
I've had my G700 for 3-4 months now and I absolutely love it. I had a 2HP JET prior to this and the increase in suction is very noticeable. Both were using a Rockler anti-static hose and going from one machine to the other was like night and day. Definitely worth the investment.
What machines do you have? I am considering this unit and currently have same Rockler hose connected to Grizzly 2hp with Super Dust Deputy and looking for more suction.
@@mrt076 I mainly use mine with a table saw, router table, 8" jointer, 13" planer, 14" band saw and my miter saw station setup. I switch the hose between machines during use as I don't have the need or space for a dedicated ducting system.
Once again, a thorough and candid review. You, Matt at Next Level Carpentry, Spencer at Insider Carpentry, and others add tremendous value that benefits all of us in the wood-related trades. Thank you.
Hi Jason. I looked at this machine before buying a 2hp Jet. It’s a very neat design and obviously very quiet but in the UK it costs about $5000! I got a deal on the Jet for around $1500 so there was really no contest. I’ve hooked the Jet up to steel ductwork with a minimal flexible duct as possible and the system works well.
Again, Great info video. I now have a Grizzly 3 H.P. built in '98. Loud isn't the word I'd use, it's more like a rock concert in my 27' x 30' shop! The slow start up time won't be a problem since it'll be on most of the day (I mill my own rough cut lumber). The ease of use and noise factor alone is a big selling point, but the foot print and filter cleaning are also an added bonus! I'm going to be looking into to this machine this evening. Thanks again for the info. on it.
I really appreciate your honest review! Lower noise is always a plus. Low noise is very high on my list of "wants". The deal-breaker for me is the start up time. I run the iVac system: I turn on the tool and the dust collector starts up. No remote to hunt for or carry around (where did I put the remote?!). I'm sure I could use the iVac system with this as well but my 5HP dust collector is at full speed in about 2 seconds.
Thanks Jason for your honest review of the Harvey Unit. . I am currently installing all my new and some used older functional tools in my new woodshop after a 20 year break from woodworking. I am on the fence with Oneida and Harvey. I looked at the Clearvue also and decided that Clearvue was too hodgepodge for me. My only issue with Harvey is that it is made in China and the fact the Company has not called me back after several attempts to reach out to Harvey. Oh and it cost quite a bit more than a V3000 Oneida. I have spoken to Tech Support and customer service at Oneida multiple times with great responses. I choose to wait for dust collection last to ensure that all my tools including CNC would have correct CFM of suction at each unit or multiple units if I have a helper(s) in my shop running several machines. EDIT: After logging into the Harvey page link the price is listed at half of what several big brand woodworking stores are selling the unit for. So I have to change my previous wording to reflect the cost are close. to each other for Harvey and Oneida.
Yeah, for some reason woodcraft and Rockler are selling the machines for over $4000. Why they still have the prices listed that way, I have no idea. The best way to buy it is directly from Harvey for sure. As for the machine, it has been great and I really enjoy having it in the shop!
Well presented 6-month review, Jason! No surprise that our sentiments are similar after using the G700 for awhile. BTW if/when you get around to doing the 'pant wye' type cleanout thing feel free to reach out to me on it if you want any beta on the build. It's a handy feature for cleanout, that's for sure, but you might come up with a better 'design' if you tackle it without foreknowledge too... Best, Matt
@@bentswoodworking cool... if you'll go to nextlevelcarpentry.shop and shoot me an email from there we can exchange phone numbers and visit about it. I think you did a nice job with your review video and also think we would both benefit from The Exchange... Best, Matt
Great video Jason !! Just wrestled mine into the shop. Cannot believe the difference in sound and suction from my other dust collection. It’s ridiculous. Going to run all new ductwork too. Thanks for this video. It helped me decide and I’m so happy with this purchase.
The delays in the starting and stopping is because of the Accel & decel parameters in the VFD. Those are common parameters on all VFD's. I'm not sure what Harvey recommends, but you may be able to adjust those times to a shorter number to reduce that timeframe. Most Accel(eration) & Decel(eration) parameters are usually less than 2 seconds, unless the rotating mass is something real heavy, like a giant flywheel or something like that. Thanks for the video. I am buying one of these and you've answered a lot of my questions. Cheers!
LOl gotta love kids, bless their hearts...this looks really nice an the fact it can fit under benches...really cool..I know this is a old vid but I wonder if you still using this one...your shop is probably the nicest I've seen on here, very inspiring....all I know is Harvey is top shelf an would love to get their table saw and band saw...thank you for upload....
I've owned the G-700 for over 2 years now. Pretty much everything you said about it is accurate. I can't say "everything" because I didn't watch the full video. Yes, it's quiet and it does a great job with dust collection, and I use standard HVAC ductwork, with taped joints. But when you're planing it gets filled up pretty fast. I had a 30 gallon drum on my DIY cyclone so I'm spoiled. When the bags are full, it's kinda hard to get them out without risking tearing. I'm still on the original bags but one is taped up a bit. And yes, the location of the inlet is poor. I had one problem with the controller. Harvey made good on it immediately and sent me out a new one. Since my G-700 is tucked away a bit and under a table, I mounted the controller above the table. One other thing, the remote control "ON" button occasionally sticks and doesn't release. Usually I'd catch that but one time I didn't and it drained the batteries.
Thanks for the video, I enjoyed you giving the plus and minuses of this machine. I was worried about space but never thought about being able to put a shelf above it for additional storage.
Like you, I recently bought a house with a three car garage to use for my workshop. I took advantage of their discount online about a month ago and bought one. I haven't placed it permanently yet and use the hose they sent with it. IL like how it's movable and want to take advantage of that feature.
Same here! Mine arrived about two months ago. I want to mount a work surface on top that is able to move around with the machine. My only complaint is the cord length isn't long enough for where I want it in my shop. So I'll be changing that out sometime this winter.
Great update and answers some of my issues with the G700. Yesterday I discovered that my remote control is not working. I changed the batteries but still, it does not work. I see the light in the remote coming on when I press the on or off buttons but the G700 does not react. I have to use the red/green button near the two that you should not touch on the G700. I'm about to send Harvey an email for more info about the remote. I'm using 4" flex hose and realize that it will reduce the efficiency of the unit but for now, this is a must. When I connect it to my Hammer A3-31 it does not provide enough suction to pull everything from the A3-31 and I have a mess around it. The A3-31 has three straight knives and this creates a problem for the G700, I'm constantly cleaning the main intake port as it gets plugged. I'm in the process of research to install a Byrd Shelix Head on the A3-31. The big bummer is that it will cost about $900 but it will provide much better results when either using the planer or jointer function. Originally I had poor results with my router table where it had a 4" port for the collector under the router and a 2 1/2" port for the router bit. Both were connected via a Y in the main 4" line. I changed the Y to three 4" openings and this was a big improvement. Not as good as I'd like but acceptable. I have not started to tackle the dust issues with my woodturning lathe. BTW do you have a link for the video that Harvey provide you? I'd like to download it possible or at least view the video. I do like the fact that it is much quieter, but still not 100% sold on the unit because of my issues.
@@bentswoodworking I gave up on the G700 and sold it. Currently, I'm using a Grizzly until my Clearvue 1800 with a 16" impeller (1,700 CFM) arrives. I started to put a 4" cyclone on the Grizzly but then I needed to modify the output and went back to the original Grizzly setup until the Clearvue arrives. The Grizzly seems to have more power than the G700 did. However, it is a bit louder, I measured 62 db for the noise level. It does get a bit annoying but I tune it out with my noise-canceling headphones.
Wow. I had taken a look at this beast, but I didn't realize the price markup some places have. For me, it's really the difference between "ARE YOU KIDDING???" to "Hmmm... it could happen." Thanks for the video!
I have to say I was pretty eager for this follow-up review. I ended up grabbing one during their Cyber Monday sale ($2290) but it will be a bit before I get it and set it up. To those interested my advice is to keep checking the Harvey site. Along with traditional sale windows they infrequently have door buster sales and the unit price can drop below $2000. The US seems to have been a slow growth market for them, but it's picking up so those could be fewer and far between so definitely keep your eye out.
@@bentswoodworking So I finally got the G-700 unboxed and in my testing I had two things I was curious on. There seems to be a moderately high-pitched frequency coming from the main motor/impeller/electric area. Did you notice that as well (I think I heard it on another review video as well)? It's most noticeable as the unit picks up speed and then is much less noticeable at max suction. I also get a very noticeable vibration/resonance within the chassis between 60-65Hz. My dB measurements were a bit higher than yours, but I also have a mostly empty fairly large garage with 12ft ceilings and no ducting yet, so sound reflection may be to blame.
It's an interesting design using a horizontal cyclone and I like that it is lower noise, but I wish it didn't take up so much floor space. Also inconvenient with the duct port location since that makes 5' or so of adjacent wall space unusable as well, so really this should be included in the footprint of the unit for anyone considering it.
Thanks Jason! I'm probably going to buy one next year for my new shop. I'll still use my big JDS cyclone for my tablesaw/bandsaw/sanders (dust producers) simply because it works well and the piping layout works better with two collectors since I'll minimize elbows and branching. Plus the cyclone will be external to the shop. The Gyro will be for the chip producers (20" planer & 8" jointer) and maybe a stationary sander because it'll be a very straight and short horizontal run for optimal performance. I'll likely invest in the Nordfab too. I agree the location of the port really made me rethink everything too. Great advice on the soft start also! I wonder if cleaning out the filter ports with my HEPA-filtered Festool vac and a 2 inch wand wouldn't suffice instead of connecting the 4" to run back through the front. Finally, if the fine dust on the pleated filters goes back into the machine using the 4" re-vaccum system, aren't you just moving a lot of the same dust with some going into the bins and some back onto the filters? Seems like you're always "chasing" it. Thanks again, Joe
I have actually used my Festool vacs to do that a couple times. Works well just takes a bit longer. And the majority of all that dust will drop back into the bags on a cleaning cycle.
Thanks for a well done review. I checked this DC out before going with a 2hp Shop Fox. Two issues for me: 1) most importantly for me is I needed at least 1500 cfm for my 3' x 5' CNC so at 700 cfm the Harvey doesn't have enough suck; and 2) the price. Harvey makes great tools, I own a Harvey TS and love it, that's why I looked at the DC systems. I have an anemometer and checked the suction on my Shop Fox and it's pulling 1500cfm at the CNC running through an Oneida Super Dust Deputy on a 55gal drum.
I think it is a nice piece of kit. When remodeling my shop this past summer, I decided NOT to go with the Harvey unit. For me, there were two issues: First, I don't have another 240v outlet available. Nor does the sub-panel in my shop have room to add another. The cost of replacing the entire sub-panel (and upgrading the wire running from the house to the shop so it could support the additional current draw) was prohibitive. The second issue is the footprint. My shop is very small and there isn't room to drag that machine from tool to tool, so I had to use ductwork. Like you, I found the inlet to the machine limiting. I ended up creating my own cyclone with an Onida Dust Deputy and the impeller from an old HF dust collector. The entire cyclone is suspended from the cieling trusses and I have room underneath for a 54" wide, 44" tall, 28" deep rolling tool cabinet. My cyclone isn't as nice as the G700, but it works and takes up zero floor space.
I love my Harvey G700. I had an Oneida 1.5hp cyclone I purchased used from my mentor(2007). It worked well but the noise was, well very loud. I agree with Jason about the placement of the intake. But the small horizontal footprint is a plus in my book. The suction is crazy. My Laguna 16HD has two dust ports. A 4" on the backside bottom and 2.5" on the side under the table next to the lower blade guide. With the Oneida, I had to use both ports. With the Harvey, I stopped using the 2.5" ...The bottom backside 4" is all I use to remove the debris. It is quiet! hands down. It does take some getting used to the windup of the motor but definitely not a show stopper for me.
Does anyone else have a serious vibration when operation at around 59 - 62Hz? Mine is brand new and I noticed that when it passes this area while being turned on/off or when trying to run it at less than full speed, I get a loud vibration noise. Placing my hand on it, it is obviously vibrating much more when at this speed.
Another excellent video, Jason. For my shop, the port is in a good spot. I'll probably get one in the spring when I start my annual shop upgrades. I'm just not looking forward to getting it off the pallet. Felder has been the only vendor to even mention ideas to get their product off the pallet. Time to rent an engine hoist. :)
@@bentswoodworking I'm already planning on buying the nice pipe. Dust collection is something that you don't want to spend a lot of money on, so in the end, you buy it twice. Or will be three times for me. :)
This video demonstrates some of the principles I used to move the Harvey G700, a Felder bandsaw and a jointer/planer into my basement workshop. The things he taught about using pry bars and blocks was super helpful. The other thing that was super helpful was a chainfall connected to an overhead beam as well as using small diameter pipes to roll machines over on the floor. The engine hoist will work also. th-cam.com/video/YJeoaW2Zbhg/w-d-xo.html
I liked the clean out of the fine dust into the final filters. I did noticed how to tie both tubes together into one clean out, Nice. Now why not have that hooked into the primary intake with main suction. Have it cleaning out all the time.
Good review and something I could definitely use in my shop. The current price they show is $3,199 though which is way more than some of the comments below where others have received a sale price near $2,000! That's a pretty steep difference.
Hi Jason, looks like you may have replaced your Harvey G700? If so what did you replace it with and why. For me the G700 capacity is too small. I find myself using a cyclone pre-collector on the planer just so it doesn't fill up so fast. I'm looking to replacing it that will fit my Norfab 6" pipe. Thanks, Tony
I purchased the bigger brother G800 and I am very happy with it . The noise level is amazing . The remote control super helpful once you get used to it. I only don’t get the programming part . The service here in China can’t or doesn’t really want to help me. I just don’t get the information displayed when the bags are full. The aftermath cleaning it up after overfilling the bags is crazy. All in all though it’s a fantastic machine which I only can recommend . And yes I added a strafe board on top of it as you mentioned planning to do. Can send you a picture . Maybe you could help me to get a real understandable pdf manual for programming the machine?
@@bentswoodworking yes that might be service in USA but not mainland China unfortunately . I tried for hours to talk to them and ask for advise . I only got a pdf with instructions which eben Chinese readers can’t use
As someone who also has a small-ish shop and is always trying to optimize floorspace, I agree the machine's inlet placement couldn't be worse. And second, the total effective footprint is too big on the floor, esp considering how that inlet is oriented, you really lose twice the footprint to have room for the inlet ductwork. Just look at how much floorspace he's not able to use for tool stations or anything else because of the machine itself, the inlet ductwork placement and orientation, and the allowance for filter cleaning. In my 400 sq ft shop I could never lose that much floor space to the dust collector. I love the idea of this machine but I think they need to go back to the drawing board and make a new version 2.0. I would love to see them make a "tower" version where the machine is tall with a much smaller footprint, the inlet can be placed up high, the gauges and displays are at eye level, and any filter cleaning is done out of the front of the machine instead of on the side. p.s. yes I realize that the separation canisters have to be oriented horizontally, but Harvey should be able to figure that out. If I did buy one of these, I would be extremely tempted to take it apart and try to move the impeller and motor so they are up off the floor and can be oriented out of the way. p.s.s Harvey claims their dual horizontal separation is revolutionary and superior to a classic cyclone, and it sure looks slick, but I would like to see some evidence or side by side comparisons to convince me. When he demonstrated the filter cleaning, there sure was a lot of dust down in there. Just sayin' -- makes me wonder how good the separation really is. p.s.s.s. why does this machine need a VFD / variable speed? Seems like it adds cost and complexity (and delays on startup) without adding any real benefit. I would just want it to provide maximum suction always. Any scenario where "light" suction is needed, like finish sanding, I would just do with my Feestool vac and not this beast.
Thanks for vid Jason...I just purchased mine this morning. I have been doing research for about 2 months on several systems and this unit fits the bill perfectly. Do you remember how long it took to receive yours? And if anyone is on the fence about the cost they are on sale till tomorrow night!
I have been considering purchasing one; however, the discounted prices keep changing. I saw it under $2,000.00 and now all over the place. It would be nice if it was under $2,000.00 for the holidays. Great video!
Totally agree Skip. I have never seen a company float a different price literally almost every single day. They seem to do this with their bandsaw and table saw as well. I made the mistake of buying this unit for $2399 on sale only to see it drop to $2100 the very next day when the sale was over. I asked for my $300 back but no go. I was going to buy their $2500 band saw but decided against it purely on the fact that they are all over the place with their pricing on this as well.
Just took delivery of my Harvey G-700 today! Finishing a NordFab duct design as I write this and can't wait to fire this baby up! Thank you for your content rich videos on your new shop... doing the same and riding your coattails! I noticed that you did not run your ducting to your mitre saw... what are you planning there? Local vac or future run of Norefab?
That’s difficult to answer cause the scenario could be totally different. The biggest reason I got it is due to noise. I absolutely have the space for a larger machine now. As a one man shop, this suits my needs very well. If I had a huge shop with really long runs and a lot more duct work, or multiple people using multiple machines then I would probably get a larger machine for that purpose.
I've also heard that the spin up is about 5 seconds. I'd do what you did and just start the collector earlier than I currently do. Not a big deal. I'm very interested in this unit and have watched all the reviews. Looks great. My one remaining concern is reliability and how one would go about getting it repaired.
That was 22 seconds to full power (not 5). I had considered this machine, too, but ultimately went with the Oneida Supercell in large part due to this lag. It just doesn't work with my workflow (all my machines have iVac automatic gates and the DC turns on with machine power). Supercell is also on the quiet side, but not close to this one (but I'm ok with it as it's in a different room).
Every home-occupation woodworker needs to be conscious and considerate of how their neighbors experience your activities. Besides noise abatement efforts, ask your neighbors. In one instance, a neighbor admitted that my routers cause interference with his television in the evening. Other neighbors with a nearby patio said they appreciated that I closed the shop before machining. that Harvey looks like a real asset to any shop.
lol...thanks for the warning on the controls. I’m currently in the process of installing a lockable wall switch and outlet for my soon to arrive bandsaw and planer (my only machines) and thinking about other safety measures in the shop as well. My son is 22 months old and has been dismantling everything within reach since birth (ok, slight exaggeration). I’m just adding machinery for the first time, mostly because I want to be able to cut production time on projects I used to complete by hand. I’m admittedly overwhelmed by the dust collection needs and cost. It reminds me of the moment I realized my hand tools were worthless without investment in quality sharpening gear, it was a rude awakening that now seems laughable. Back to dust control, I’m beginning to think that the Harvey machine is actually the best option for air quality, ease of use, noise level, etc. The cost is a shock to my system (I’d been led to believe that I could get by with a shop vac/mini cyclone setup and hooking to one machine at a time) but I have yet to see a clean shop that is using that set up so the reality of $$ is coming into focus.
Make sure you look at the price on the actual Harvey website. For some reason Rockler and Woodcraft sell them for double the cost of Harvey. No idea why, but they do. I think currently it’s selling for around $2300. They run sales pretty regularly
Just wondering, if the dust that comes out of the filters at the clean out port is fine enough to make it past the two bins to the filters doesn’t it just go past the two bins and do the filters again when you use the machine to clean itself?
Jason I appreciate the information and am torn between this and the Oneida Super cell. You’ve had this system for a while. How is it working for you? I run a one man, full time furniture shop. I purchase all my rough kiln dried lumber directly from a saw mill. Recently working on a black walnut table using 50 bf and a desk using 30 bf of hard maple. How does the drum handle this type of load? Have you had any issues with the filter clogging on you? How does it work with smaller tools such as random orbital sanders and routers? Thank you in advance
Where again are Harvey Woodworking Machines manufactured, and which country is Harvey Industries Co., Ltd located? It's a bit strange that such information is so difficult to find. I wonder why that is, do you know? Thanks!
Their manufacturing and corporate base is in Yangzhou, China. Their presence in the US is simply distributional - no manufacturing here. They've been unloading their machines like crazy with YT woodworkers hoping to leverage the US market. And with a nice Anglo-Saxon name like "Harvey" who would ever think Chinese? These are standard tactics among Chinese companies...hiding their origins. By the way, have you ever wonder what happened to Bridge City Tool Works? Yep, Harvey bought them out and moved everything to China. Ya have to dig a bit to find this information, and there's much more to be found. You're welcome!
@@stevenwilliams6741 Thanks for the info! The question is which YT woodworker didn't get one of these? Free stuff...positive reviews...sales through the roof. Funny how that works. HaHaHa
@@stevenwilliams6741 Actually, it's trivially easy to find out this information. Why have you not pointed out that the founder of Bridge City Tool Works worked very closely with Harvey staff including an extended trip to China to go over the finer points of prepping the various high end hand planes and other products to meet his high standards. He was planning to lead a second trip to China as a tech tour, but had to cancel because of COVID-19. Go read the blog posts on this transition and you will see John's views on quality and you will also find the earliest reviews of the G700. Bridge City Tool Works products are now made in Nanjing China.
@@steveh8724 You need to educate yourself on Chinese business and cultural practices. I have no doubt the founder of Bridge City Tool Works came away from his trip to China thoroughly impressed. They always do. The Chinese have been quite adept at using front-stage/back-stage tactics when doing business. They are masters at putting on a great show for prospective clients, buyers and sellers. Unfortunately, it's all theatre and nothing more. I suggested reading Paul Midler's best-selling book "Poorly Made in China. An Insider's Account of the China Production Game," (his 1st book) and then read Midler's second book "What's Wrong with China." Midler does a fantastic job of linking the historical and cultural features of the Chinese people and their business proclivities, stretching from the 19th century to the present day.
I enjoy mine, the only additional down for me is where the power is. Unit sits under a bench, too troublesome to use the power switch on back. Wish it was front of the machine. End up engineering a switch on the power line ...
Jim Ryan How many machines are connected to this collector? Do you have to have all the blast gates closed except for the machine you are using? I leave my table saw blast gate open all the time and just open the others when the machine is being used.
Maybe you can answer a question for me. I watched another channel where he did an unboxing of this particular model. In it he stated that it had been shipped from China. Am I correct to understand that Harvey is a US company but they have their products made in China?
Thanks for the review - very helpful. Can you reconfigure the dust bins, so you can access and empty them from the opposite side to that as comes out of the box?
So, being new to your channel, and this company (I was actually looking at some of their other products and came across this machine), can you tell me what size your shop is? I need something that is very space-conscious, being in a 25sqft garage. I had no intention of spending this kind of money, but love how compact it, quiet, efficient, and self-contained it is.
I was going to order an Oneida 5 hp Dust Gorilla Pro tomorrow and now I decided to purchase the Harvey, just waiting for it to go back on sale, have you run two tools at once? if so, was it able to handle both machines? I plan on purchasing a CNC and may run the CNC and one other tool at the same time...im a very serious woodworking hobbyist and in a wheelchair and this unit looks easy for me to move around if need be,thanks for the video, it was helpful
@@bentswoodworking Thanks, do you know were the service centers are? they are not very responsive and if the unit has an issue, how long will it take to fix and do they have service centers through out the Country. The unit looks very well built and i would like to buy one, but sorry to say, the company hasn't impressed me with their lack of communication. One thin i could say about Oneida is they answer the phone and their customer service is terrific...thanks again for the review
@@bentswoodworking i just got off the phone with Harvey and i changed my tune, what a great guy and very informative...im buying one...thanks for your time and are you still happy with it?
Jason - How well does this filter out the ultra fine dust that you get from a drum sander? I have a Supermax 19-38 and that thing cakes the inside of my aftermarket dust filter cartridge with powdery fine dust.
I love the form factor and easy bag changes. The dust port location is a deal breaker for me, as is the slow startup. I use iVac Pro to automate gates and collector when powering on a few tools (table saw, lathe, router), and there's no way I would turn on a tool and wait that long for the dust collector. Thanks for this review though, it was very helpful in understanding the pros and cons.
Someone actually mentioned from this video that I may be able to change one of the settings on the VFD to speed up the start. I’m actually gonna email them and see if that’s the case. A few others wrote me and said that theirs turns on much faster.
@@bentswoodworking I think it's clear that your son was trying to do you a solid by reprogramming your VFD to decrease the ramp up time following a start-up command. Someone probably interrupted him before he finished, and then taught him not to touch the controls. So now you'll have to get the VFD manual and figure it out for yourself.
First and foremost thank you for your service. I was very interested in the G700 until I went to the website and discovered that it is 220V/3 Phase. I know 3 Phase is much more efficient to run but what did it take to get 3 Phase into your home? Did the power company run it to the house or did you have to purchase a phase converter? While I am no expert on electrical motors it usually requires a start capacitor to get a single phase motor going and 3 phase motor does not. Is this the reason for the slower ramp up of the motor speed? Thanks for a very informative video.
I don't know if you're still monitoring a nearly year old video but there is one question that wasn't answered that I've been wondering about. The price on these isn't that bad compared to other large cyclonic dust collectors so I've really been looking at them since I became aware of Harvey. What about clogs? I don't mean in the piping or drop tubing; I assume that will still happen on occasion. What I want to know about is in the machine itself, particularly in those twin turbine areas where all the chips a dust swirl around. Does it clog there? Does it clog there frequently? Is there a way to open them to clear clogs?
This looks like a nice piece of equipment. But honestly for the price I think Oneida's Supercell is a better investment. The noise is the only category where the G700 seems better than the Supercell.
Jason love your show and following your advice I bought one to work exclusively on my cnc. When I plug it in to 220v and turn it on the red digital numbers come up but it won’t start when I press the green start button - the dust box is closed and locked - am I missing something? Can’t help thinking something very simple here but frustrating the hell out of me
Nice review. One thing that I can't figure out is if you aren't doing client work what exactly are you doing that requires such a level of dust collection? Your house must be just filled with furniture :P
Hey Jason, I bought the Harvey G700 based on your video and Next Leven Carpentry. I love it. A quick question. What do you use to clean up your shop? It doesn't appear that you use your dust collector. Thanks for the review. Peter
A broom and dust pan and then go back with a shop vac. I used the Harvey initially, but a bunch of stuff got caught in the screen on the inlet and I lost suction. So now I don’t mess with it. I prefer the broom and dust pan honestly cause I can get in small spaces and don’t worry about a hose.
Do you use the G700 for dust collection on your smaller machines and tools, I'm thinking mitersaw, router table, sanders etc. I see from your shop tours that you have many festool tools. Are they connected to a festool dust extractor? Could the G700 do double duty with this type of equipment? Thanks
Great video, I also have this collector hard piped with pvc. I do notice that there is a lot of debris that gets trapped in the trap/grate directly before it enters the machine. Do you have the same issue?
I have and I wish I would have mentioned that during the video. It is actually something I like cause it stoped something from getting sucked into the machine once that could have damaged it. I found that as a positive but it’s also easy for me to clear it with the metal duct work.
One question I have about your G 700. I've noticed in the design of it, dust/chips pass through the impeller to get to the cyclone portion of the machine. Unlike a standard cyclone separator where the chips/dust are removed before the impeller. My question/concern is, does it get dust buildup on the impeller which would slowly decrease its performance.
Great content! Did you use a stock Nordfab 6" Machine Adapter to connect the nordfab to the machine, or and Expanded one with a precise ID? Thanks very much!
As far a cleaning the filters. If you suck all this really fine dust through the machine again, wouldn't it just end up in the same place? And one thing you can get to cover the buttons your son messed up, would be one of the clear thermostat covers with a lock on it. I'm not sure, but I think they are a peel and stick cover.
"...Yes they are a sponsor, no this isn't a sponsored video". Ok....Great video! I will look into the cost. Siemens controller, fantastic! (I work for Siemens.)
They undercut their distributors who sell it on their websites for 5k. Weird marketing strategy. I bought one but was beyond irritated when the price dropped by $300 AFTER the sale was OVER. Frustrating way to do business. Advertise a sale and then lower the price when the sale is over.
I have the same unit and got it for about $2100 when it was on sale. The lowest price I have seen was a brief period around Black Friday in 2019 (I think) when it was $1900. I actually considered buying a second one, but held off because I don't really need two...
Good video and it pushed me over the edge to purchase my own. Question though; the instructions say to have a gap of 18” or 500mm between the fan vent side and any obstruction. This will be a pain for me to follow. Can you tell me if you have your G700 tight into the corner of your workshop? Many thanks and keep up the good work!
Don't you just love those short assistants? They can get in those tight places where you can't or don't want to, but sometimes they're horrible at following directions... 🤪🤯😉
Great video... the bins is a deal breaker for me though - I wish they were much larger, or a shoot to push it outside/another larger bin. I'd fill those up 2x/week and the bags are a big pain. The noise level is great, but, my machines are already loud - so not sure what it helps if this is quiet and my planer is loud? Anyway, great video - I'm sure its a great need for a lot of people. Something new anyway - that's a plus in the static world of tools.
Thank you so much for these videos. Couple of Harvey questions. I've been told that the Harvey G 700 is not so well suited to chips created by the likes of planer thicknesses/jointers and is better suited to fine dust such as created by table and bandsaws saws. I see that you have a Hammer jointer in your workshop - have you had any issues with your Harvey collecting planer chippings? Secondly would placing a cyclone in line be beneficial to collect such chippings? Sorry for bombarding you with these questions but I am very close to making the Harvey purchase. I really want this solution to work for me! Thank you in advance... Please keep the videos coming....
I do have the hammer A3-41. It doesn’t collect 100%, but I’ve never had 100% dust collection on a jointer or a planer. What it leaves behind is very minimal. It does a very very good job at collecting the majority of it. To the point where I might have a small amount around the base of the machine that I just sweep up when I do my shop cleanup.
@@bentswoodworking So it sounds like you have not had problems with larger chips being sucked up at the planer intake, but not reaching the bins? I think that was the concern from 567. I haven't had any problems with planer chips, but I only have a 12" planer with a Shelix cutterhead, so I don't generate large chips.
Jason- your suction line looks like it's 6" - What is your longest draw from your farthest machine - do you think you can make this draw because of the type of piping you put in - Thks - Keith
Bill - out of curiosity, what is your regret with the supercell? I am looking for a machine to use direct to PCS tablesaw and other port to use with Rockler flex hose machine to machine - 14” bandsaw, drum sander, 15” planer and 8” jointer
@@mrt076 I have a pretty similar tool set to yours, and use flex hose for everything, I use the Oneida one as it’s needed for the pressure. the Harvey has a really nice footprint, could hide it under a miter station or workbench. Also, looks quieter, but not totally sure.
Jason, can you share the contact name I need to talk with at Nordfab and their contact detail please? Many thanx Steve
Email Jay Kravets at markedtreewoodworks@gmail.com. He is the guy you want to talk to. 👍👍
I just drew the Harvey G700 in Sketchup and uploaded it for anyone looking to plan for one. Thanks for the review Jason, it is what made me feel good about purchasing it!
Nice! That would have been helpful when modeling my shop
How can I find it? Thanks!
@@cohesive3482 Go to the Sketchup 3D Warehouse, search for Harvey G700. Then click on Models in the "Showing results from all categories and it should be there.
@@Timmy_P711 You sir, are a legend. Thank you very much.
sweet! i just downloaded it into my new shop plan.
Thanks for your review of the G700. I have been operating the Harvey in my shop since Spring of 2021, so about 9 months. Here is my list of pros and cons and an observation or two:
Pros:
1) size and form factor is really nice - especially if you have low ceilings
2) low noise level comparatively - it all adds up and you will need to use hearing protection
3) ease of emptying dust bins - which hold a manageably low quantity
4) good suction - especially for the low noise emission level
5) remote control to turn on and off
6) reliability
7) good price if you catch a flash sale
8) delivery was smooth and reliable - absolutely no issues
9) prompt, courteous online support for supply orders, technical questions etc.
10) engineering and thought processes around the machine are overall step change improvements over the traditional vertical cyclone dust collector - especially if you have limited space or overhead clearance
Cons:
1) HEPA filters fill up quickly
2) very time consuming and mechanically tedious to remove HEPA filters to clean or replace,
3) the filter cleaning method is annoying - (remove cap, scoop pile of fine dust out of bottom of bowl under the filter with your hand, place inlet hose over outlet in back, run machine up to RPM, twist beater bar handles, turn off machine, clean seal on cap and replace it, repeat for the other side).
4) threads on my plastic filter cleaning cap are a bit shallow and fiddly to replace.
5) Dust bins rely on a rubber seal against the plastic dust bin liner that is wrapped over the edge of the steel dust bins to maintain a system seal. It is easy to have some small voids in the seal, which allows some dust to escape before the air goes through the filters.
Observation:
All of the filter 'Cons' seem to have been addressed by the next larger size Harvey dust processor, the Harvey G800, which is on sale for $6,000 (Jan 2023). Key improvements that I have noticed are:
1) beater bar filter cleaning system replaced by an 'air puffer' system, similar to some of the Festool CT vacuum systems. This is likely to be much better for the lifespan of the filter and the thoroughness of the self cleaning function. This also makes the system more or less self cleaning.
2) Filters appear to be much easier to access and remove for cleaning or replacement.
3) All that said, the unit does not have a significant increase in CFM or maximum static pressure, so some will be put off by that. But the usability may click some boxes for some users. The Bourbon Moth Woodworking TH-cam channel recently put the G800 into their shop. I am hoping that he will post a review at some point, but he is now working on a TV show, so may not have the time.
Thanks for this response. Very helpful
just purchased a unit through your link, and was shocked by the cost difference. THANK YOU!!
Awesome!!! You’re gonna love it
I bought this as my first ever non-shop vac dust collector, based on your IG video. I found the same problem with middle man companies charging ridiculous prices. I used your discount code, Along with a sale that they were running and got a HUGE discount for it. I’ve told my wife that if she divorces me, she can have everything I own except my guns and my dust collector! I love this machine. I’m actually thinking about upgrading my table saw to a Harvey Alpha series, based on the quality of this dust collector, and their innovative designs! Thanks so much for all the info. You’re presentation is so helpful!
So glad you found it helpful. Also, congrats on the new machine!!!
Finally, I have my G700 and metal ducting up and running and filled a couple bags of chips. A nice machine and the ducting was well worth the investment. And while the investment wasn't small, it is the most used machine in the shop. All the things I used to have to do with my old dust collector, such as constantly cleaning out the jointer and plane and checking the chip separator to see if it's full, I don't have to do anymore. And Harvey customer service has been very good as well.
Really hope you are enjoying the machine!
Thanks for the comment, i cant even get them to call me back and i want to place an order after a couple of questions, its a real concern for me.
I've had my G700 for 3-4 months now and I absolutely love it. I had a 2HP JET prior to this and the increase in suction is very noticeable. Both were using a Rockler anti-static hose and going from one machine to the other was like night and day. Definitely worth the investment.
That’s awesome and I’m glad to hear you are enjoying it so much!
What machines do you have? I am considering this unit and currently have same Rockler hose connected to Grizzly 2hp with Super Dust Deputy and looking for more suction.
@@mrt076 I mainly use mine with a table saw, router table, 8" jointer, 13" planer, 14" band saw and my miter saw station setup. I switch the hose between machines during use as I don't have the need or space for a dedicated ducting system.
Mine arrives today - EXCITED!
Once again, a thorough and candid review. You, Matt at Next Level Carpentry, Spencer at Insider Carpentry, and others add tremendous value that benefits all of us in the wood-related trades. Thank you.
You’re very welcome. Glad you found it helpful
I love that you used this for 6 months prior to a review. I cant stand unboxing and reviews that do not have any use time. Thanks for doing this.
Glad you found it helpful
Hi Jason. I looked at this machine before buying a 2hp Jet. It’s a very neat design and obviously very quiet but in the UK it costs about $5000! I got a deal on the Jet for around $1500 so there was really no contest. I’ve hooked the Jet up to steel ductwork with a minimal flexible duct as possible and the system works well.
I wish that I would have had this duct with my previous machine. Would have loved to see how it performed
Again, Great info video. I now have a Grizzly 3 H.P. built in '98. Loud isn't the word I'd use, it's more like a rock concert in my 27' x 30' shop! The slow start up time won't be a problem since it'll be on most of the day (I mill my own rough cut lumber). The ease of use and noise factor alone is a big selling point, but the foot print and filter cleaning are also an added bonus! I'm going to be looking into to this machine this evening. Thanks again for the info. on it.
Glad you found it helpful
Just ordered mine today. Can’t wait for it to come in to match with my new saw. Thanks for the review
I really appreciate your honest review! Lower noise is always a plus. Low noise is very high on my list of "wants". The deal-breaker for me is the start up time. I run the iVac system: I turn on the tool and the dust collector starts up. No remote to hunt for or carry around (where did I put the remote?!). I'm sure I could use the iVac system with this as well but my 5HP dust collector is at full speed in about 2 seconds.
I’ve always been intrigued by the ivac system
Thanks Jason for your honest review of the Harvey Unit. . I am currently installing all my new and some used older functional tools in my new woodshop after a 20 year break from woodworking. I am on the fence with Oneida and Harvey. I looked at the Clearvue also and decided that Clearvue was too hodgepodge for me. My only issue with Harvey is that it is made in China and the fact the Company has not called me back after several attempts to reach out to Harvey. Oh and it cost quite a bit more than a V3000 Oneida. I have spoken to Tech Support and customer service at Oneida multiple times with great responses. I choose to wait for dust collection last to ensure that all my tools including CNC would have correct CFM of suction at each unit or multiple units if I have a helper(s) in my shop running several machines. EDIT: After logging into the Harvey page link the price is listed at half of what several big brand woodworking stores are selling the unit for. So I have to change my previous wording to reflect the cost are close. to each other for Harvey and Oneida.
Yeah, for some reason woodcraft and Rockler are selling the machines for over $4000. Why they still have the prices listed that way, I have no idea. The best way to buy it is directly from Harvey for sure. As for the machine, it has been great and I really enjoy having it in the shop!
Well presented 6-month review, Jason! No surprise that our sentiments are similar after using the G700 for awhile. BTW if/when you get around to doing the 'pant wye' type cleanout thing feel free to reach out to me on it if you want any beta on the build. It's a handy feature for cleanout, that's for sure, but you might come up with a better 'design' if you tackle it without foreknowledge too... Best, Matt
Matt I would love to discuss the piece you made! I really want to add that!
@@bentswoodworking cool... if you'll go to nextlevelcarpentry.shop and shoot me an email from there we can exchange phone numbers and visit about it. I think you did a nice job with your review video and also think we would both benefit from The Exchange...
Best, Matt
@@NextLevelCarpentry sounds good!
Great video Jason !! Just wrestled mine into the shop. Cannot believe the difference in sound and suction from my other dust collection. It’s ridiculous. Going to run all new ductwork too. Thanks for this video. It helped me decide and I’m so happy with this purchase.
I’m very happy to hear that 👍
The delays in the starting and stopping is because of the Accel & decel parameters in the VFD. Those are common parameters on all VFD's. I'm not sure what Harvey recommends, but you may be able to adjust those times to a shorter number to reduce that timeframe. Most Accel(eration) & Decel(eration) parameters are usually less than 2 seconds, unless the rotating mass is something real heavy, like a giant flywheel or something like that. Thanks for the video. I am buying one of these and you've answered a lot of my questions. Cheers!
Glad you found it helpful
LOl gotta love kids, bless their hearts...this looks really nice an the fact it can fit under benches...really cool..I know this is a old vid but I wonder if you still using this one...your shop is probably the nicest I've seen on here, very inspiring....all I know is Harvey is top shelf an would love to get their table saw and band saw...thank you for upload....
I've owned the G-700 for over 2 years now. Pretty much everything you said about it is accurate. I can't say "everything" because I didn't watch the full video. Yes, it's quiet and it does a great job with dust collection, and I use standard HVAC ductwork, with taped joints. But when you're planing it gets filled up pretty fast. I had a 30 gallon drum on my DIY cyclone so I'm spoiled. When the bags are full, it's kinda hard to get them out without risking tearing. I'm still on the original bags but one is taped up a bit. And yes, the location of the inlet is poor.
I had one problem with the controller. Harvey made good on it immediately and sent me out a new one. Since my G-700 is tucked away a bit and under a table, I mounted the controller above the table. One other thing, the remote control "ON" button occasionally sticks and doesn't release. Usually I'd catch that but one time I didn't and it drained the batteries.
Thanks for the video, I enjoyed you giving the plus and minuses of this machine. I was worried about space but never thought about being able to put a shelf above it for additional storage.
For the filter cleaning, I'd permanently connect the cleaning ports to the inlet via some blast gates so you don't need to move any hoses.
I will be doing something similar soon 👍
Like you, I recently bought a house with a three car garage to use for my workshop. I took advantage of their discount online about a month ago and bought one. I haven't placed it permanently yet and use the hose they sent with it. IL like how it's movable and want to take advantage of that feature.
Yes I was suppressed how easy it rolled around
Same here! Mine arrived about two months ago. I want to mount a work surface on top that is able to move around with the machine. My only complaint is the cord length isn't long enough for where I want it in my shop. So I'll be changing that out sometime this winter.
Great update and answers some of my issues with the G700. Yesterday I discovered that my remote control is not working. I changed the batteries but still, it does not work. I see the light in the remote coming on when I press the on or off buttons but the G700 does not react. I have to use the red/green button near the two that you should not touch on the G700. I'm about to send Harvey an email for more info about the remote.
I'm using 4" flex hose and realize that it will reduce the efficiency of the unit but for now, this is a must.
When I connect it to my Hammer A3-31 it does not provide enough suction to pull everything from the A3-31 and I have a mess around it. The A3-31 has three straight knives and this creates a problem for the G700, I'm constantly cleaning the main intake port as it gets plugged. I'm in the process of research to install a Byrd Shelix Head on the A3-31. The big bummer is that it will cost about $900 but it will provide much better results when either using the planer or jointer function.
Originally I had poor results with my router table where it had a 4" port for the collector under the router and a 2 1/2" port for the router bit. Both were connected via a Y in the main 4" line. I changed the Y to three 4" openings and this was a big improvement. Not as good as I'd like but acceptable.
I have not started to tackle the dust issues with my woodturning lathe.
BTW do you have a link for the video that Harvey provide you? I'd like to download it possible or at least view the video.
I do like the fact that it is much quieter, but still not 100% sold on the unit because of my issues.
If you are on Instagram send me a direct message there or you can email me and I can get you a link to the video.
@@bentswoodworking I gave up on the G700 and sold it. Currently, I'm using a Grizzly until my Clearvue 1800 with a 16" impeller (1,700 CFM) arrives. I started to put a 4" cyclone on the Grizzly but then I needed to modify the output and went back to the original Grizzly setup until the Clearvue arrives. The Grizzly seems to have more power than the G700 did. However, it is a bit louder, I measured 62 db for the noise level. It does get a bit annoying but I tune it out with my noise-canceling headphones.
The plug and play is the main thing I like.
Wow. I had taken a look at this beast, but I didn't realize the price markup some places have. For me, it's really the difference between "ARE YOU KIDDING???" to "Hmmm... it could happen." Thanks for the video!
I have to say I was pretty eager for this follow-up review. I ended up grabbing one during their Cyber Monday sale ($2290) but it will be a bit before I get it and set it up. To those interested my advice is to keep checking the Harvey site. Along with traditional sale windows they infrequently have door buster sales and the unit price can drop below $2000. The US seems to have been a slow growth market for them, but it's picking up so those could be fewer and far between so definitely keep your eye out.
Yeah, the Harvey website is worth keeping an eye on. I have seen exclusive offered sent out via the email list as well.
@@bentswoodworking So I finally got the G-700 unboxed and in my testing I had two things I was curious on. There seems to be a moderately high-pitched frequency coming from the main motor/impeller/electric area. Did you notice that as well (I think I heard it on another review video as well)? It's most noticeable as the unit picks up speed and then is much less noticeable at max suction. I also get a very noticeable vibration/resonance within the chassis between 60-65Hz. My dB measurements were a bit higher than yours, but I also have a mostly empty fairly large garage with 12ft ceilings and no ducting yet, so sound reflection may be to blame.
It's an interesting design using a horizontal cyclone and I like that it is lower noise, but I wish it didn't take up so much floor space. Also inconvenient with the duct port location since that makes 5' or so of adjacent wall space unusable as well, so really this should be included in the footprint of the unit for anyone considering it.
It doesn’t take up anymore floor space than my previous unit but you have a valid point with the duct work for sure.
@@SystemsPlanet nope.
Aaaaand now there is a new thing I need.
Story of my life lol
Thanks Jason! I'm probably going to buy one next year for my new shop. I'll still use my big JDS cyclone for my tablesaw/bandsaw/sanders (dust producers) simply because it works well and the piping layout works better with two collectors since I'll minimize elbows and branching. Plus the cyclone will be external to the shop. The Gyro will be for the chip producers (20" planer & 8" jointer) and maybe a stationary sander because it'll be a very straight and short horizontal run for optimal performance. I'll likely invest in the Nordfab too.
I agree the location of the port really made me rethink everything too. Great advice on the soft start also! I wonder if cleaning out the filter ports with my HEPA-filtered Festool vac and a 2 inch wand wouldn't suffice instead of connecting the 4" to run back through the front. Finally, if the fine dust on the pleated filters goes back into the machine using the 4" re-vaccum system, aren't you just moving a lot of the same dust with some going into the bins and some back onto the filters? Seems like you're always "chasing" it.
Thanks again, Joe
I have actually used my Festool vacs to do that a couple times. Works well just takes a bit longer. And the majority of all that dust will drop back into the bags on a cleaning cycle.
Thanks mate. I’m in the process of considering one of these units down here in Melbourne Australia. I think I’m sold.
Glad you found it helpful
Thanks for a well done review. I checked this DC out before going with a 2hp Shop Fox. Two issues for me: 1) most importantly for me is I needed at least 1500 cfm for my 3' x 5' CNC so at 700 cfm the Harvey doesn't have enough suck; and 2) the price. Harvey makes great tools, I own a Harvey TS and love it, that's why I looked at the DC systems.
I have an anemometer and checked the suction on my Shop Fox and it's pulling 1500cfm at the CNC running through an Oneida Super Dust Deputy on a 55gal drum.
Great video. Thanks for your honesty.
You’re welcome
I think it is a nice piece of kit. When remodeling my shop this past summer, I decided NOT to go with the Harvey unit. For me, there were two issues: First, I don't have another 240v outlet available. Nor does the sub-panel in my shop have room to add another. The cost of replacing the entire sub-panel (and upgrading the wire running from the house to the shop so it could support the additional current draw) was prohibitive. The second issue is the footprint. My shop is very small and there isn't room to drag that machine from tool to tool, so I had to use ductwork. Like you, I found the inlet to the machine limiting.
I ended up creating my own cyclone with an Onida Dust Deputy and the impeller from an old HF dust collector. The entire cyclone is suspended from the cieling trusses and I have room underneath for a 54" wide, 44" tall, 28" deep rolling tool cabinet. My cyclone isn't as nice as the G700, but it works and takes up zero floor space.
Whatever works best for you!👍👍
I love my Harvey G700. I had an Oneida 1.5hp cyclone I purchased used from my mentor(2007). It worked well but the noise was, well very loud. I agree with Jason about the placement of the intake. But the small horizontal footprint is a plus in my book. The suction is crazy. My Laguna 16HD has two dust ports. A 4" on the backside bottom and 2.5" on the side under the table next to the lower blade guide. With the Oneida, I had to use both ports. With the Harvey, I stopped using the 2.5" ...The bottom backside 4" is all I use to remove the debris. It is quiet! hands down. It does take some getting used to the windup of the motor but definitely not a show stopper for me.
Great comparison Patrick! I pinned this one.
Does anyone else have a serious vibration when operation at around 59 - 62Hz? Mine is brand new and I noticed that when it passes this area while being turned on/off or when trying to run it at less than full speed, I get a loud vibration noise. Placing my hand on it, it is obviously vibrating much more when at this speed.
@@Sbasham I have not.
First time i saw this machine... i immediatly understood the superiority against machines of same capacity/size
Another excellent video, Jason. For my shop, the port is in a good spot. I'll probably get one in the spring when I start my annual shop upgrades. I'm just not looking forward to getting it off the pallet. Felder has been the only vendor to even mention ideas to get their product off the pallet. Time to rent an engine hoist. :)
Check out the other video I did on my DC and duct work when I got it. I was able to do it myself. It was much easier than I expected.
@@bentswoodworking I'm already planning on buying the nice pipe. Dust collection is something that you don't want to spend a lot of money on, so in the end, you buy it twice. Or will be three times for me. :)
This video demonstrates some of the principles I used to move the Harvey G700, a Felder bandsaw and a jointer/planer into my basement workshop. The things he taught about using pry bars and blocks was super helpful. The other thing that was super helpful was a chainfall connected to an overhead beam as well as using small diameter pipes to roll machines over on the floor. The engine hoist will work also. th-cam.com/video/YJeoaW2Zbhg/w-d-xo.html
I liked the clean out of the fine dust into the final filters. I did noticed how to tie both tubes together into one clean out, Nice. Now why not have that hooked into the primary intake with main suction. Have it cleaning out all the time.
Good review and something I could definitely use in my shop. The current price they show is $3,199 though which is way more than some of the comments below where others have received a sale price near $2,000! That's a pretty steep difference.
Yeah, they have fluctuated the price quite a bit.
These things are £3500 here in the UK. That is ~$4700.
Hi Jason, looks like you may have replaced your Harvey G700? If so what did you replace it with and why. For me the G700 capacity is too small. I find myself using a cyclone pre-collector on the planer just so it doesn't fill up so fast. I'm looking to replacing it that will fit my Norfab 6" pipe. Thanks, Tony
You were hysterical in ‘Forgetting Sarah Marshall’!
Thank you. Looks like this will be the one when needed.
You’re welcome
I purchased the bigger brother G800 and I am very happy with it . The noise level is amazing . The remote control super helpful once you get used to it. I only don’t get the programming part . The service here in China can’t or doesn’t really want to help me. I just don’t get the information displayed when the bags are full. The aftermath cleaning it up after overfilling the bags is crazy. All in all though it’s a fantastic machine which I only can recommend . And yes I added a strafe board on top of it as you mentioned planning to do. Can send you a picture . Maybe you could help me to get a real understandable pdf manual for programming the machine?
I actually just received a video from Harvey when I have to reprogram mine.
@@bentswoodworking yes that might be service in USA but not mainland China unfortunately . I tried for hours to talk to them and ask for advise . I only got a pdf with instructions which eben Chinese readers can’t use
You could have mentioned that this was the smallest of the Harvey units and that the larger units have auto dust pulse and trays for the fine dust.
As someone who also has a small-ish shop and is always trying to optimize floorspace, I agree the machine's inlet placement couldn't be worse. And second, the total effective footprint is too big on the floor, esp considering how that inlet is oriented, you really lose twice the footprint to have room for the inlet ductwork. Just look at how much floorspace he's not able to use for tool stations or anything else because of the machine itself, the inlet ductwork placement and orientation, and the allowance for filter cleaning. In my 400 sq ft shop I could never lose that much floor space to the dust collector. I love the idea of this machine but I think they need to go back to the drawing board and make a new version 2.0. I would love to see them make a "tower" version where the machine is tall with a much smaller footprint, the inlet can be placed up high, the gauges and displays are at eye level, and any filter cleaning is done out of the front of the machine instead of on the side. p.s. yes I realize that the separation canisters have to be oriented horizontally, but Harvey should be able to figure that out. If I did buy one of these, I would be extremely tempted to take it apart and try to move the impeller and motor so they are up off the floor and can be oriented out of the way. p.s.s Harvey claims their dual horizontal separation is revolutionary and superior to a classic cyclone, and it sure looks slick, but I would like to see some evidence or side by side comparisons to convince me. When he demonstrated the filter cleaning, there sure was a lot of dust down in there. Just sayin' -- makes me wonder how good the separation really is. p.s.s.s. why does this machine need a VFD / variable speed? Seems like it adds cost and complexity (and delays on startup) without adding any real benefit. I would just want it to provide maximum suction always. Any scenario where "light" suction is needed, like finish sanding, I would just do with my Feestool vac and not this beast.
Thanks for vid Jason...I just purchased mine this morning. I have been doing research for about 2 months on several systems and this unit fits the bill perfectly. Do you remember how long it took to receive yours? And if anyone is on the fence about the cost they are on sale till tomorrow night!
Only around a week but that was before all of the pandemic stuff
GREAT walkthrough, thanks!!
You’re welcome
I have been considering purchasing one; however, the discounted prices keep changing. I saw it under $2,000.00 and now all over the place. It would be nice if it was under $2,000.00 for the holidays. Great video!
I assume they will run some Black Friday sales.
Totally agree Skip. I have never seen a company float a different price literally almost every single day. They seem to do this with their bandsaw and table saw as well. I made the mistake of buying this unit for $2399 on sale only to see it drop to $2100 the very next day when the sale was over. I asked for my $300 back but no go. I was going to buy their $2500 band saw but decided against it purely on the fact that they are all over the place with their pricing on this as well.
Just took delivery of my Harvey G-700 today! Finishing a NordFab duct design as I write this and can't wait to fire this baby up! Thank you for your content rich videos on your new shop... doing the same and riding your coattails! I noticed that you did not run your ducting to your mitre saw... what are you planning there? Local vac or future run of Norefab?
I just run my midi with the Kapex.
Great review.
They are no longer shipping with a Siemens VFD. They now are shipping with a China made INOVANCE MD200
Great vid Jason. This is a stretch goal for me when I get around to building my new shop :)
Thank you
Great video. Appreciate. All the information!
I guess my question would be: If space were not a concern - would this still be your choice?
That’s difficult to answer cause the scenario could be totally different. The biggest reason I got it is due to noise. I absolutely have the space for a larger machine now. As a one man shop, this suits my needs very well. If I had a huge shop with really long runs and a lot more duct work, or multiple people using multiple machines then I would probably get a larger machine for that purpose.
I've also heard that the spin up is about 5 seconds. I'd do what you did and just start the collector earlier than I currently do. Not a big deal. I'm very interested in this unit and have watched all the reviews. Looks great. My one remaining concern is reliability and how one would go about getting it repaired.
So far besides the VFD issue that my son caused I haven’t experienced any issues.
That was 22 seconds to full power (not 5). I had considered this machine, too, but ultimately went with the Oneida Supercell in large part due to this lag. It just doesn't work with my workflow (all my machines have iVac automatic gates and the DC turns on with machine power). Supercell is also on the quiet side, but not close to this one (but I'm ok with it as it's in a different room).
Every home-occupation woodworker needs to be conscious and considerate of how their neighbors experience your activities. Besides noise abatement efforts, ask your neighbors. In one instance, a neighbor admitted that my routers cause interference with his television in the evening. Other neighbors with a nearby patio said they appreciated that I closed the shop before machining. that Harvey looks like a real asset to any shop.
Excellent point
lol...thanks for the warning on the controls. I’m currently in the process of installing a lockable wall switch and outlet for my soon to arrive bandsaw and planer (my only machines) and thinking about other safety measures in the shop as well. My son is 22 months old and has been dismantling everything within reach since birth (ok, slight exaggeration). I’m just adding machinery for the first time, mostly because I want to be able to cut production time on projects I used to complete by hand. I’m admittedly overwhelmed by the dust collection needs and cost. It reminds me of the moment I realized my hand tools were worthless without investment in quality sharpening gear, it was a rude awakening that now seems laughable. Back to dust control, I’m beginning to think that the Harvey machine is actually the best option for air quality, ease of use, noise level, etc. The cost is a shock to my system (I’d been led to believe that I could get by with a shop vac/mini cyclone setup and hooking to one machine at a time) but I have yet to see a clean shop that is using that set up so the reality of $$ is coming into focus.
Make sure you look at the price on the actual Harvey website. For some reason Rockler and Woodcraft sell them for double the cost of Harvey. No idea why, but they do. I think currently it’s selling for around $2300. They run sales pretty regularly
I wish I would have waited. I bought the Laguna P Flux 3hp dust collection unit. I do love it but the Harvey would have been a ton better.
Well it will be there when you are ready.
Mind sharing that video on reprogramming the control panel. My buttons got accidentally pushed as well.
If you email me I can probably send it over. I know I have the video in my email somewhere
Thanks, Brent. I emailed you.
Just wondering, if the dust that comes out of the filters at the clean out port is fine enough to make it past the two bins to the filters doesn’t it just go past the two bins and do the filters again when you use the machine to clean itself?
Jason
I appreciate the information and am torn between this and the Oneida Super cell. You’ve had this system for a while. How is it working for you? I run a one man, full time furniture shop. I purchase all my rough kiln dried lumber directly from a saw mill. Recently working on a black walnut table using 50 bf and a desk using 30 bf of hard maple. How does the drum handle this type of load? Have you had any issues with the filter clogging on you? How does it work with smaller tools such as random orbital sanders and routers?
Thank you in advance
Thank you, what do you use for testing the air flow at machine? Brand and model? Appreciate your response.
I used one from a company called hold peak. Not sure the model number. It was yellow.
Where again are Harvey Woodworking Machines manufactured, and which country is Harvey Industries Co., Ltd located? It's a bit strange that such information is so difficult to find. I wonder why that is, do you know? Thanks!
China. The have a US based operation as well
Their manufacturing and corporate base is in Yangzhou, China. Their presence in the US is simply distributional - no manufacturing here. They've been unloading their machines like crazy with YT woodworkers hoping to leverage the US market. And with a nice Anglo-Saxon name like "Harvey" who would ever think Chinese? These are standard tactics among Chinese companies...hiding their origins.
By the way, have you ever wonder what happened to Bridge City Tool Works? Yep, Harvey bought them out and moved everything to China. Ya have to dig a bit to find this information, and there's much more to be found. You're welcome!
@@stevenwilliams6741 Thanks for the info! The question is which YT woodworker didn't get one of these? Free stuff...positive reviews...sales through the roof. Funny how that works. HaHaHa
@@stevenwilliams6741 Actually, it's trivially easy to find out this information. Why have you not pointed out that the founder of Bridge City Tool Works worked very closely with Harvey staff including an extended trip to China to go over the finer points of prepping the various high end hand planes and other products to meet his high standards. He was planning to lead a second trip to China as a tech tour, but had to cancel because of COVID-19. Go read the blog posts on this transition and you will see John's views on quality and you will also find the earliest reviews of the G700. Bridge City Tool Works products are now made in Nanjing China.
@@steveh8724 You need to educate yourself on Chinese business and cultural practices. I have no doubt the founder of Bridge City Tool Works came away from his trip to China thoroughly impressed. They always do. The Chinese have been quite adept at using front-stage/back-stage tactics when doing business. They are masters at putting on a great show for prospective clients, buyers and sellers. Unfortunately, it's all theatre and nothing more.
I suggested reading Paul Midler's best-selling book "Poorly Made in China. An Insider's Account of the China Production Game," (his 1st book) and then read Midler's second book "What's Wrong with China." Midler does a fantastic job of linking the historical and cultural features of the Chinese people and their business proclivities, stretching from the 19th century to the present day.
I enjoy mine, the only additional down for me is where the power is. Unit sits under a bench, too troublesome to use the power switch on back. Wish it was front of the machine. End up engineering a switch on the power line ...
That’s a good point. I just keep moving be on all the time. Maybe I shouldn’t 🤣
Jim Ryan
How many machines are connected to this collector? Do you have to have all the blast gates closed except for the machine you are using? I leave my table saw blast gate open all the time and just open the others when the machine is being used.
I usually have my CNC blast gate open about half way and then open each machine as I need them.
Maybe you can answer a question for me. I watched another channel where he did an unboxing of this particular model. In it he stated that it had been shipped from China. Am I correct to understand that Harvey is a US company but they have their products made in China?
I doubt it was shipped from China. The US based HQ is out of California and that is where they ship from.
@@bentswoodworking I reviewed the video again and he specifically said "on it's journey from China.
Thanks for the review - very helpful. Can you reconfigure the dust bins, so you can access and empty them from the opposite side to that as comes out of the box?
Honestly I don’t know. I don’t think so.
So, being new to your channel, and this company (I was actually looking at some of their other products and came across this machine), can you tell me what size your shop is? I need something that is very space-conscious, being in a 25sqft garage. I had no intention of spending this kind of money, but love how compact it, quiet, efficient, and self-contained it is.
I was going to order an Oneida 5 hp Dust Gorilla Pro tomorrow and now I decided to purchase the Harvey, just waiting for it to go back on sale, have you run two tools at once? if so, was it able to handle both machines? I plan on purchasing a CNC and may run the CNC and one other tool at the same time...im a very serious woodworking hobbyist and in a wheelchair and this unit looks easy for me to move around if need be,thanks for the video, it was helpful
I have run the CNC and other tools at the same time. Not as good as just one tool obviously but is acceptable for me.
@@bentswoodworking Thanks, do you know were the service centers are? they are not very responsive and if the unit has an issue, how long will it take to fix and do they have service centers through out the Country. The unit looks very well built and i would like to buy one, but sorry to say, the company hasn't impressed me with their lack of communication. One thin i could say about Oneida is they answer the phone and their customer service is terrific...thanks again for the review
@@bentswoodworking i just got off the phone with Harvey and i changed my tune, what a great guy and very informative...im buying one...thanks for your time and are you still happy with it?
Jason - How well does this filter out the ultra fine dust that you get from a drum sander? I have a Supermax 19-38 and that thing cakes the inside of my aftermarket dust filter cartridge with powdery fine dust.
I haven’t had any reason to think it isn’t effective. There is no dust while I’m using my drum sander.
I love the form factor and easy bag changes. The dust port location is a deal breaker for me, as is the slow startup. I use iVac Pro to automate gates and collector when powering on a few tools (table saw, lathe, router), and there's no way I would turn on a tool and wait that long for the dust collector. Thanks for this review though, it was very helpful in understanding the pros and cons.
Someone actually mentioned from this video that I may be able to change one of the settings on the VFD to speed up the start. I’m actually gonna email them and see if that’s the case. A few others wrote me and said that theirs turns on much faster.
@@bentswoodworking I think it's clear that your son was trying to do you a solid by reprogramming your VFD to decrease the ramp up time following a start-up command. Someone probably interrupted him before he finished, and then taught him not to touch the controls. So now you'll have to get the VFD manual and figure it out for yourself.
@@bentswoodworking probably your son pushed some more buttons. LOL - but maybe something in the reprogramming is all that needs changing.
First and foremost thank you for your service. I was very interested in the G700 until I went to the website and discovered that it is 220V/3 Phase. I know 3 Phase is much more efficient to run but what did it take to get 3 Phase into your home? Did the power company run it to the house or did you have to purchase a phase converter? While I am no expert on electrical motors it usually requires a start capacitor to get a single phase motor going and 3 phase motor does not. Is this the reason for the slower ramp up of the motor speed? Thanks for a very informative video.
It’s not 3 phase. The only 3 phase machine is the G1000. It’s just standard 220. It also runs on a VFD. Hope that helps you out. 👍👍
@@bentswoodworking thanks for the reply. It must be a misprint on the web site OR it could be I misread it 🥴
I don't know if you're still monitoring a nearly year old video but there is one question that wasn't answered that I've been wondering about. The price on these isn't that bad compared to other large cyclonic dust collectors so I've really been looking at them since I became aware of Harvey. What about clogs? I don't mean in the piping or drop tubing; I assume that will still happen on occasion. What I want to know about is in the machine itself, particularly in those twin turbine areas where all the chips a dust swirl around. Does it clog there? Does it clog there frequently? Is there a way to open them to clear clogs?
The filters can clog if you let your machine overflow. If you stay on top of it, it’s no issue.
This looks like a nice piece of equipment. But honestly for the price I think Oneida's Supercell is a better investment. The noise is the only category where the G700 seems better than the Supercell.
Jason love your show and following your advice I bought one to work exclusively on my cnc. When I plug it in to 220v and turn it on the red digital numbers come up but it won’t start when I press the green start button - the dust box is closed and locked - am I missing something? Can’t help thinking something very simple here but frustrating the hell out of me
It’s likely programmed to the remote. It is programmed to one or the other
Thanks Jason - spot on thank you
I want to see your new drill press.
Soon
Nice review. One thing that I can't figure out is if you aren't doing client work what exactly are you doing that requires such a level of dust collection? Your house must be just filled with furniture :P
I don’t look at client work as a deciding factor for my tools. I have this collector cause I wanted an effective system. 👍
Hey Jason, I bought the Harvey G700 based on your video and Next Leven Carpentry. I love it. A quick question. What do you use to clean up your shop? It doesn't appear that you use your dust collector. Thanks for the review. Peter
A broom and dust pan and then go back with a shop vac. I used the Harvey initially, but a bunch of stuff got caught in the screen on the inlet and I lost suction. So now I don’t mess with it. I prefer the broom and dust pan honestly cause I can get in small spaces and don’t worry about a hose.
Do you use the G700 for dust collection on your smaller machines and tools, I'm thinking mitersaw, router table, sanders etc. I see from your shop tours that you have many festool tools. Are they connected to a festool dust extractor? Could the G700 do double duty with this type of equipment? Thanks
Router table yes. All smaller tools to a dust extractor
Great video, I also have this collector hard piped with pvc. I do notice that there is a lot of debris that gets trapped in the trap/grate directly before it enters the machine. Do you have the same issue?
I have and I wish I would have mentioned that during the video. It is actually something I like cause it stoped something from getting sucked into the machine once that could have damaged it. I found that as a positive but it’s also easy for me to clear it with the metal duct work.
One question I have about your G 700. I've noticed in the design of it, dust/chips pass through the impeller to get to the cyclone portion of the machine. Unlike a standard cyclone separator where the chips/dust are removed before the impeller. My question/concern is, does it get dust buildup on the impeller which would slowly decrease its performance.
Great content! Did you use a stock Nordfab 6" Machine Adapter to connect the nordfab to the machine, or and Expanded one with a precise ID? Thanks very much!
I believe this is the stock one. Originally I ordered a custom one but it was barely too small.
Jason, did you have to do anything special to prevent static buildup?
As far a cleaning the filters. If you suck all this really fine dust through the machine again, wouldn't it just end up in the same place? And one thing you can get to cover the buttons your son messed up, would be one of the clear thermostat covers with a lock on it. I'm not sure, but I think they are a peel and stick cover.
"...Yes they are a sponsor, no this isn't a sponsored video". Ok....Great video! I will look into the cost. Siemens controller, fantastic! (I work for Siemens.)
Glad you found it helpful
They are no longer shipping with a Siemens VFD. They now are shipping with a China made INOVANCE MD200
Jason, did you run a dedicated 220 line for the dust collector or does it share a 20 amp with another tool?
I was very surprised to see it was around $2200. I was expecting $8k or something crazy. Really would consider this unit after seeing that.
Yeah they are currently running a holiday sale on the website.
They undercut their distributors who sell it on their websites for 5k. Weird marketing strategy. I bought one but was beyond irritated when the price dropped by $300 AFTER the sale was OVER. Frustrating way to do business. Advertise a sale and then lower the price when the sale is over.
I have the same unit and got it for about $2100 when it was on sale. The lowest price I have seen was a brief period around Black Friday in 2019 (I think) when it was $1900. I actually considered buying a second one, but held off because I don't really need two...
@@steveh8724 And 4 months later website price $3,000+ $329 shipping. I'll live with the noise from my cyclone for now.
Enjoy your videos.. is there a warning buzzer or indicator that lets you know when the unit is full and needs to be emptied?
There is an indicator light and the machine will actually shut off when it’s activated
@@bentswoodworking at the same time or does the full indicator comes on for a while before it shuts down.
Good video and it pushed me over the edge to purchase my own. Question though; the instructions say to have a gap of 18” or 500mm between the fan vent side and any obstruction. This will be a pain for me to follow. Can you tell me if you have your G700 tight into the corner of your workshop? Many thanks and keep up the good work!
Sent you some videos on Instagram
Jason, great video.
I see references to a discount coupon code for the G700, but I don't find one. Is there one? TX.
What criteria is used to decide which to buy, the 700 or 800 besides price?
Someone mentioned a discount code. Is that still available?
Is it single phase or 3 phase? Great video
Don't you just love those short assistants? They can get in those tight places where you can't or don't want to, but sometimes they're horrible at following directions... 🤪🤯😉
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Jason, love your content. You mentioned that you are no longer doing client work. Will you still be making woodworking projects?
Of course, just in an instructional and entertainment capacity. I haven’t done client work in well over a year actually.
So all of your woodworking is now done for TH-cam?
@@johnyb9884 pretty much yes. I build what I need and want to build and use the content
Great video... the bins is a deal breaker for me though - I wish they were much larger, or a shoot to push it outside/another larger bin. I'd fill those up 2x/week and the bags are a big pain. The noise level is great, but, my machines are already loud - so not sure what it helps if this is quiet and my planer is loud? Anyway, great video - I'm sure its a great need for a lot of people. Something new anyway - that's a plus in the static world of tools.
Yeah, the bin capacity can be a deal breaker for sure.
Thank you so much for these videos. Couple of Harvey questions. I've been told that the Harvey G 700 is not so well suited to chips created by the likes of planer thicknesses/jointers and is better suited to fine dust such as created by table and bandsaws saws. I see that you have a Hammer jointer in your workshop - have you had any issues with your Harvey collecting planer chippings? Secondly would placing a cyclone in line be beneficial to collect such chippings? Sorry for bombarding you with these questions but I am very close to making the Harvey purchase. I really want this solution to work for me! Thank you in advance... Please keep the videos coming....
I do have the hammer A3-41. It doesn’t collect 100%, but I’ve never had 100% dust collection on a jointer or a planer. What it leaves behind is very minimal. It does a very very good job at collecting the majority of it. To the point where I might have a small amount around the base of the machine that I just sweep up when I do my shop cleanup.
@@bentswoodworking So it sounds like you have not had problems with larger chips being sucked up at the planer intake, but not reaching the bins? I think that was the concern from 567. I haven't had any problems with planer chips, but I only have a 12" planer with a Shelix cutterhead, so I don't generate large chips.
Jason- your suction line looks like it's 6" - What is your longest draw from your farthest machine - do you think you can make this draw because of the type of piping you put in - Thks - Keith
Jason? How did you measure the CFM at your power tools? How much cfm is it rated at the intake port at the base of the DC?
I used an anemometer
Cool unit, I went with the Oneida supercell, but I am having some buyers regret.
I was originally looking at Oneida during my research for the new shop and could never get a response from them.
Bill - out of curiosity, what is your regret with the supercell? I am looking for a machine to use direct to PCS tablesaw and other port to use with Rockler flex hose machine to machine - 14” bandsaw, drum sander, 15” planer and 8” jointer
@@mrt076 I have a pretty similar tool set to yours, and use flex hose for everything, I use the Oneida one as it’s needed for the pressure. the Harvey has a really nice footprint, could hide it under a miter station or workbench. Also, looks quieter, but not totally sure.
@@bentswoodworking When did you try to contact them? I have talked to them 4 times in the last 2 months and got through each time in minutes.
great vids. Can you tell me the "resolution" of the filters? Thanks. I enjoy your work.
.5 I believe. You can upgrade to .3
How does the bag volume work for you? I'd plane 3 boards and they'd be full...