I agree. Corax could also lead a cadre of Raven Guard successor chapter, as there are rumors of Kayvaan using his authority on them for some sort of quest.
@@WookieGroundZero the Lion only kneels for the Emperor so there Will be drama when he sees the current state of affairs but when he returns all His sons Will rally behind his roar and become Legión once again, we were the first and we stand with Terra! For the Emperor & for the Lion!!!
Papa Smurf could run and manage the administrative side of the empire and Corax could start a shadow crusade and open numerous cans of whoop ass on anything that isnt loyalist! That would work. They could just text each other or whatsapp video call for updates and sitreps
I really like Corax as a character, probably one of the most humble of the primarchs and one of the few who actually wanted to have peace and retire after the crusade.
I can imagine him on a porch of some cottage on a paradise world, settled down with a family (if he was able to find someone and conceive a child with them), growing old and enjoying his family. Lorgar and the traitor primarchs took that from him. All that's left is the loyalist Daemon primarch Corax seeking revenge
@@phantomwraith1984 it is written, that Big E had 20 villas made for his sons to enjoy peace after the great crusade. I'm sure those villas are still intact. Deliverance Lost is the novel
Hah! That actually made me lol. I know I'm guilty of typing that more often than I should, but this time I actually laughed out loud when I saw the "Edgar Allan Primarch" part. If you thought of that, that's seriously genius. And if not, thank you for sharing it... It genuinely made my morning that little bit better. 🙏🤙
I'm a wolf through and through that being said my sence says most powerful primarch especially since he is so underestimated bad things happen to those who cross the ravens
Im a son of the Lion and we respect the Ravens duty and their unwavering loyalty. Im sure their genesire Will come back soon to take His rightfull place, Lions, Wolves and Ravens Will Lay waste to mankinds foes once again, i have no doubt whatsoever.
May the Beast Lords lead the charge. May the foes of man quiver in fear. For the Wolf Lord, the Lion, and the Raven Lord lead the charge, with the legions of old against those foolish enough the go against the Will of the Golden Emperor
Let us not forget that the Emperor gave Corax complete free reign over the Primach Project vaults. He gave Corax all the secrets of their own creation. That for me was/is the highest level of trust and confidence I can think of tbh.
I guess the time dilation of the warp would make writing his return quite easy , but it’s a trick the writers can only use once really. ‘But I’ve only been tracking Lorgar a few decades’ ‘My lord , it’s been over ten thousand years’ ‘Ah sheeet , here we go again....’
"Curze can't save you this time, brother. You WILL die by my hand and I WILL lay your traitor head at Father's feet." Corvus Corax Definitely would be an epic line for him to say right before he kills Lorgar.
@Message Posted Doesn't ADB write the Emperor like he is as bad as Chaos? How would you have done First Heretic in a more grimdark fashion for example? And McNeil wrote Dead Sky, Black Sun.... I think you're a fake fan.
considering corax has been in warp, i wonder how long he thinks he has been there for? does he think hes been there for days? months? years? millenias? also i wonder if he has visibly aged from the last time guilliman saw him
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@@sciencefliestothemoon2305 Yes maybe thats why i like latín so much, in spanish its "milenios" for plural, "milenio" for singular. Salutations battle brother.
I think the biggest question we need to ask about Corax's return is if he would be able to set aside his need for vengeance against lorgar to lead an army / fulfill the needs of the current imperium. While there is no doubt of his prowess in combat, he may be too far gone down the blinding path of vengeance to be of any large scale use to the imperium.
I doubt he'll return at least until he redeems His failure at istvaan, then he would return to bring Lorgars severed head to the Golden throne, though i somehow doubt he would reform His Legión, probably prefers them on chapters for flexibility, or great companys if you Will.
Don’t forget Corax was the only one to beat Girliman, once, at a game of strategy. So yes they would be happy to see each other. Then Corax will go see big daddy E and then go on a crusade with the raven guard in the vanguard!!
‘Even the most sophisticated simulation is crude compared to real war,’ remarked the primarch. ‘Guilliman tried to learn everything he could from the experiences of his brothers when he first met them. I was constantly vexing him with complaints that he focused too much on distinct military units, not taking into account possible civilian participation. To him there was a line between combatants and noncombatants that I did not see. Before our first encounter Guilliman’s treatises had been swift to rule out casualty-depleted combat forces as incapable, since he was so used to wielding whole battalions and Chapters rather than handfuls of warriors. I demonstrated the error of these beliefs on several occasions, creating effective resistance out of meagre resources that Roboute had considered no longer viable.’ ‘An occurrence to be proud of, I am sure,’ Kanar said evenly. ‘The cry of “no retreat” is meaningless to the Raven Guard,’ explained Corax, ‘a prideful boast rather than a sensible tactical doctrine. It was not until our third confrontation that Guilliman realised this for himself.’ ‘To best one of the greatest strategos in the Imperium is no mean feat. We are blessed by your attendance.’ ‘I make no such claim,’ Corax replied with a lopsided smile. ‘From the fourth simulation on, he had my mark and I could not beat him. He learns well, my brother, and he has far greater vision than me. While I was rescuing a single world from slavery, he was already building an empire of hundreds. I won battles against him, but never a war.’ Corax, P:71
But the point was he beat him, I guess it's a feat in and of itself. I imagine most of the other brothers didn't fare well in a battle simulation that was--let's not forget-- was created by Robute. It'd be like beating the creator of Yu Gi Oh at their own game.
Corax recognised the adoration and trust that radiated from the deformed Raptor. He laid one massive hand upon the former legionary’s head, and the fingers of the other curled around his throat. The creature’s mouth worked a few times, and drool dribbled over Corax’s hand and fell to the floor in thick gobbets. ‘I remember everything, and I remember my exact words before I sent that fiend back into the warp-vortex that had birthed it...’ Tears stung the primarch’s eyes. ‘I... I promised him that I would destroy every warp-spawned, Chaos-tainted creature in the galaxy before I die...’ The mewling, groaning thing that had been Navar Hef met his gaze. ‘And I have always kept my promises, my son.’ //Corax P:494
Regardless of how Corax and Dorn greeted each other, Guilliman and Corax had a completely different relationship...much more like Horus and Sanguinius. I think that Guilliman would also take a much more tactful approach in convincing him to help. Dorn was never known as a diplomat.
No matter what he would be an asset. Either he helps Guilliman with his plan, making it stronger Or he is unleashed and puts relentless pressure on the forces of chaos and thus becoming a big enough distraction for Guilliman to exploit
"Perturabo in his forge" "Enters corax" P: brother what are you doing here have you come to die C: No I have come to kill you since dorn failed like he always does. P: he is fathers worst son is he not C: don't change the topic father says you must die before I return. "Que comedic fighr of Perturabo throwing clockwork titans at him and corax throwing shade"
Man I'm gonna miss this one! I am a die hard CORAX fan for sure! It's The Raven and the wolf for my dream team up one day...I know I know never gonna go down!!! I can dream though🥺
Guilliam appreciated corax’s tactical value more than any of his other brothers. Considering how Guilliam’s use of the assassins lately. I think he would employ the raven guard as they were tactically meant to be.
I don't think Guilliman would have any doubt about Corax's loyalty, and I think he is smart enough not to try to order him around either. He is a diplomat, possibly the best one at that, I think he would realize that he can't ever hope to fully control Corax, so he would try to point him in a diraction that alligns with his own goals. On the other hand I think Corax would cooperate to a fairly high extent, as he recognizes his brother's strategic genious. Over all I'd be surprised if they would not make a good duo at the helm of the Imperium.
A Gulliman -Corax team up would be sick though. Perfect bait and switch. Gulliman draws the imperium corrupted bureaucrats attention and Corax just smack them from behind. Besides, just because Gman can handle treachery from the imperium, he doesn't want to waste time doing detective work like Corax.
Or we could have an even more epic return: how about Corax and Russ joining forces within the Eye? After all both are there and would be a sight to behold (being both quite temperamental)
Russ may draw Corax's attention if he finds and causes trouble in Nurgle's garden while searching for the tree of life (which could be Isha). That or the Emperor could instruct Corax to go there to assist his brother.
I think Corax would be perfect for the Imperium in the present. His whole thing is fighting against the odds and maximizing the impact of scattered forces. If he came back Guilliman should let him lose with a crusade to tie up the Imperium’s enemy’s while he got the house in order.
Imagine if the Emperor actually treated most of his sons like Corax and Horus, actually caring/knowing enough about them to best handle their vastly different personalities, and at least informing his most trusted sons about Chaos and how to fight/resist it. Lorgar still probably would've turned traitor but maybe Magnus, Horus and Conrad wouldn't have if the Emperor had done more to actually connect with them (especially Conrad and Magnus) maybe they would've kept 2-3 additional Legions.
I think it possible that Guilliman would see great value in unleashing Corax and a renewed Raven Guard, ably supported by massive forces against Chaos. The best defence after all is great offence, and who better to sabotage whatever plans the false gods of the warp have laid, than the Raven Lord?
I'm not sure Corax would keep to the programme exactly. Brilliant Corax week, Wolf Lord. I always had the Lion as my favourite.... certainly made me think of the Raven Guard now 🙂
@@i-kneel-for-no-man3814 I say he keeps that title if he ever comes back. But I said Corax is the Imperium's executioner, not the Emperor's. He's a man of the people after all :D. At least he was....
Given everything that happened during the Heresy and since his resurrection I feel like Guilliman knows better than start ordering a newly arrived brother around. Even with Corax's warp form in play I feel like Gman would take a page out of Vulcan's book and demand the biggest hug that's happened in the last 10K years.Their reunion would be great to see. I wouldn't mind the two of them putting the smackdown on Lorgar together. Getting Corax off the path of vengeance though will take some kind of intervention from Big E. even if that is just Guilliman reminding his brother of what their father fought for in the first place
I think if Guilliman gives corvus a good enough reality check via showing him what absolute shithole the imperium has become... He might lay it off vengeance on his own. Or atleast tones it down to a borderline obsessed hunt for wordbearers. Like the dark angels with the fallen.
Although I am a Dark angels loyalists, my second favorite chapter/legion are the raven guard. Corax has an awesome story but what made made me a fan was Nykona Sharrowkyn, he is such an awesome character. I wish he could have played a bigger role in the HH. But there is still hope, judging by the last story he was in , Nykona resurrected maybe. Thanks for this week’s series.
Been teaching my eldest the rules tonight and having a beginner game, whilst looking through the rule book he pointed at a raven guard and said he liked them.... good choice kid
For some reason I can just imagine that scene where captain america and bucky beat the snot out of iron man, where guilliman and corax are cap and bucky and lorgar is iron man.
I see Corax as a precise assassin of chaos leaders and leader of insurgencies on chaos planets. Breaking the back of chaos invasions with minimal resources and disappearing before Imperial forces appear.
I sort've think Corax could be convinced to lead a crusade to hunt down traitor legions/chaos within the Imperium or at least within the materium with his original legion or perhaps he just takes his chapter who are expected to draw from all their sucsessors to be an entirely 'elite' force now. I think that *probably* Lorgar has to be gone for that to happen, though maybe not, but I do think it would be possible to convince him that staying in realspace is really what's needed right now, it's just that without his father saying otherwise he literally would not stop pursuing vengance no matter what and needs to be given the capacity to do so, but even without speaking with big E I think he could be convinced, though I do think that nothing could convince him not to *try* speaking with his father
I think Corax would be a great return, but that's easy because I'd be happy to see any and all loyalist Primarchs return. I reckon his return would be one of two things, either: - He'd arrive during a battle that Lorgar has taken to the field, appearing from the warp as a whispy shadow before coalescing into his solid form as he lands a lighting claw into the side of Lorgar who probably runs from the fight at the sight of Corax - He'd be 'caught/found' at he Emperor's throne trying to speak with him... Some Custodes would be seen nevermore in that reveal, no one would have a clue how he managed to break in (I'd argue it would simply be, like in the Inquisitor novel, the Emperor guided him in). I think he wouldn't really care too much about the state of the Imperium, it isn't his priority. He'd be very much a fighting Primarch leaving Rebooty to run the Imperium. Lords of Terra would probably try to tell him what to do and speak of loyalty to the Imperium, to which he would tell them they mean nothing, and the Emperor sets his path. Rebootyman would recognise he couldn't tell Corax what to do, there would however be massive value in supplying Corax with what he wants/needs and hopefully nudge him in a direction that aids the Imperium. He'd see the Primaris and be initially sorrowful as they would remind him of his own attempt to rebuild the legion. But, I think he would embrace them quickly once he set aside his own failure to his legion, as HE more than anyone else knew that the Emperor was ok with the Marines being tweaked into a better tool. I think Rebooty would give Corax the resources to essentially form his own Crusader fleet. While it maybe too much excitement for us to contain ourselves. It would be epic if Corax's Crusader fleet direction was dictated to by the simple words he'd whisper to Rebooty "I know where more of our Brothers are being held" This was the main reason he returned to the Imperium, because he needed an army to release one or more of the Loyalist Primarchs. and we'd be one step closer to the Grand Crusades of old with Primarchs leading their own fronts of compliance.
@@karmaascendant3936, you miss my point. He was being overwhelmed. You got A PIECE of Dorn. Curze saw Dorn being ripped apart. Original canon was that his whole body was in amber. I am not saying that it is impossible that Dorn lives. I AM saying that to the best of our reckoning, Dorn is gone.
Love Corax. With how long some of the loyalist Primarchs have been out of the picture, I think a challenge with having one return is giving a plausible explanation for the absence aside from "the warp works in mysterious ways." I could get behind Corax having spent all this time hunting down Word Bearers one by one, and it could be funny if he made a full comeback just because he got bored after running out of traitors to assassinate. My end-game headcanon would then be Corax leading an execution force to slap Lorgar around a little bit more.
I would imagine the bonds of the past would shine though . Corax's dedication to the dream of the imperium is absolute. They would perfect for some amazing story telling
I could see there being an initial conflict with Guilliman over him taking over as Lord Commander, but seeing the Emperor's sword working in Guilliman's grasp, and knowing that the Emperor had entrusted it to him, Corax would calm down and work with him.
Low key from a story standpoint I'd hope Corvus is mutated at least a little bit. Maybe some Inquisitors or other fanatics want to exterminate him since he looks like a mutant or warp corruption, Raven Guard are backing their gene papa, then Gulliman shows up flexes his regent title and orders/demands the fanatics stand down as THAT "mutant" IS his brother. It's cheese, and it's not like he needs anymore contention with Imperial cults, but I don't care.
Its weird that the Emperor designed his sons to put their own interests ahead of those of the Imperium, nor that he left no clear line of succession in place in case something happened to him, or appointed one in those last moments before Dorn interned him on the Golden Throne.
Like always you do a good job. Keep it up. When you do Lion el'Jonson, I would really like you to do the story "First Legion" by Chris Wraight. It is in the Sions of the Emperor anthology. It has a lot of interesting information that would provoke good discussion about The Lion.
I think the death of a Daemon Primarch would be a bigger deal than a returning loyalist one but Corax returning after killing Lorgar is as big as it gets.
I think Guilliman would realize that trying to ORDER Corax would be like trying to push a cooked spaghetti noodle through spaghetti. I think he would ask, try to debate, and when the debate was done, give Corax his head and just say, "I leave you to the dictates of your conscience-I will supply and support you in full, and I will ask for your assistance when I need it. I will not command it, brother."
I really hope we see some of them return. Lion and corax popping up and joining the fight would turn the tide. If a few more popped up they could take the battle to the enemy. Would be epic to see another black crusade run into three primarchs fighting to a stalemate and lemon Russ pop up in the middle of the battle and tear abbadon in half.
A bit late to join the discussion, but I will do so anyway, so please excuse me. I think Guilliman might actually not have as much trouble urging Corax to his side as we might guess. If I remember right, when Corax was first brought into the Imperial fold, it was Guilliman who mentored him and spent time with him, so I'd hazard a guess that their bond is deeper and could possibl more affectionate than the bond between Corax and Dorn. Guilliman is also quite adept at being diplomatic, which lets be honest is not Dorn's strong suit, so I'd imagine he would know better than to think he could order Corax around as he pleased. Even 30k Corax didn't like to be commanded, I see no reason why Guilliman would think that would fly in 40k, especially if he notices the changes in his brother (as I am sure he will). Not too sure about how devoted Corax still is to the Emperor as well. Loyal, most certainly, just as much as Guilliman is still loyal. From my interpretation of Weregeld, after the failure of the Raptors project and discovering that he and his brothers are made of the warp, he has become quite disillusioned with the Imperium, the nature of the primarchs, and also with the Emperor himself. I honestly see his feelings towards the Emperor right now as similar to Guilliman. He loves his father still. Is loyal to him, probably. But I think his trust in the Emperor is fractured now, and I think he has lost faith in the Imperial Truth. If there is to be any conflict between him and Guilliman, I think it would be about the Imperial Truth and whether it is worth salvaging. But then again, I don't claim to be any sort of lore expert, so for all I know I could just be entirely, terribly wrong 😂 just wanted to put my thoughts out there though.
If Corax tells Guilliman the same thing he told Dorn, I think there would be a brief argument but, ultimately, I believe Guilliman would concede to Corax's wish to hunt the traitor primarchs. I believe Guilliman would even go as far as to offer to identify the locations of the traitor primarchs who are active in the Imperium, like Magnus. Guilliman is practical, but he's not stubborn like Dorn. Of course, all this is assuming Guilliman survives his upcoming clash with Mortarion on Iax. We'll have to wait for "Godblight" for the conclusion of that tale. Hey Wolflord, here's an idea for a video: How would the Siege of Terra have played out if it had been Guilliman and The Lion at Dorn's side rather than Sanguinius and the Khan? Would the Ultramarines' numbers and the Dark Angels' brutal tenacity been a strong enough counter to the onslaught of the traitor legions?
I generally think (loyalist) Primarchs returning would mean 40k has jumped the shark, but if Corax returned, I would FREAK OUT. Edit: I also think he would be the best at organizing the Imperium Nihilus and getting systems to be able to stand on their own, self sufficiently.
I deff agree that I think there will be a strong debate about it. I also think Gilman could convince the raven to come and help in these direr times. They all ways had a strong bond.
I think you're right. Corax would need to have audience with the Emperor. Without this... Corax would not be good to the Imperium or his sons. Corax being consumed with vengeance leads him down a road more akin to chaos and he needs to be reeled in somehow, before it is too late. Just like the rage of Sanguinous brought a terrible curse on to his sons. But you see the defiance in Corax when he returned to terra. The same defiance you see in all the traitor Primarchs. Dorn is the lord commander by the emperor's authority. Malcador is the regent by the emperor's authority. Yet Corax will not listen to them because he is focused on what he wants to do and not what the Emperor obviously wants. Had Dorn and Malcador agreed with him... He would not have need to speak with the Emperor. It's just like with Lorgar. It took the Emperor himself coming to rebuke Lorgar. He would not listen to Malcador. He actually assaulted Malcador which is akin to smacking the Emperor's authority. Deep down... Very few Primarchs think selflessly. Even when they do, its to serve their own best interests in their own way. And as we know eventually Corax ran off into the warp after the traitors. Obsessed with vengeance. And we know obsession of any kind is not the way of logic and reason but is a slippery slope to Slaneesh. If Corax returned he may overtly appear to be a savior, but his obsession with vengeance may be to the imperium's own detriment. Sort of like the dark angels obsesession for vengence and obsession to keep their secrets cause them to abandon the people of the imperium and disobey orders. Sure enough it seems really bad ass to see Corax doing what he does in this new form, but it seems a lot of fans get so consumed and caught up in the badassery they dont see the dark maniacal machinations of chaos twisting its coils into our beloved Primarchs. I'm all for keeping good guys good and bad guys bad. But seeing and hearing these same traits of Horus's defiance, Lorgar's defiance, Magnus, Angron, and even traits reminiscent of obsession like Fulgrim. It makes me sad to see Corax go in this direction. Many have fallen from grace believing the ends justify the means, but the chaos gods have proven time and time again, that misguided means, no matter how righteous the goal, will bring about your end. Corax is chasing a phantom. That's not Lorgar anymore. The daemon primarchs are no longer even real anymore. They are mirror reflections and fake disorted copies. Lorgar is actually dead and gone. Corax is chasing an endless loop and is caught in some type of warp purgatory. Corax needs to be saved, brought back to his senses, and released from this obsessive vengeance quest. The imperium needs him, not vengeance. He won't listen to Guilliman. He needs to be guided back to reason and the Emperor's light or else he will be forever lost. I would not be surprised if the other Primarchs are lost in and to the warp in a similar fashion. Locked in some infinte loop and endless quest manipulated by the warp and the chaos god's.
This gave me a cool idea they could do maybe the golden throne is really starting to fail and they need some information from big e so corax shows up and with his new warp based powers he can for a minute help push all the broken pieces back together like he keeps himself together in the warp.
Here's how I think should Guilliman and Corax run into each other. There's the elation at seeing each other once more after over 10,000 years. Probably some confusing sentences as they seek to find out how the other's doing before getting down to business. Corax refusing to obey Gulliman's orders to aid the Imperium once more. Gulliman needing all the help he can get begs Corax to at least return to Terra and have a one on one conversation with their father the Emperor. After that it'd be up to Corax, quite likely he'll take up Gulliman's offer to see the Emperor and after what seems like an eternity Corax would walk out of the throne room like Gulliman did, content yet confused, knowing what needs to be done. He'd work with Gulliman, and Dante in securing the Imperium's territory before spear heading a crusade to eradicate his traitorous brothers and their sons
I was sooo absorbed with the potential return of the Lion I failed to consider a returning Corvus who is actually more likely as he is awake and kicking Chaos ass on the daily. Definitely gave me a lot to consider here.
If Lorgar for some reason comes out of the warp for a crusade or something and corax follows him ... we could see primarchs reunited... and maybe he stays to help Guilliman when he sees in what state the Empire is ....
Corax has spent many thousands of years in the warp on his hunt. In all that time he has only come across one of his targets. And only one time at that. He has shown that he cares far more for his vengeance then he does for the Emperor, his sons, or humanity. Until something dramatically changes. He's stuck in the warp. Corax seems to have gained more powerful abilities from his time in the warp. If he leaves it will his abilities start to regress, closer to pre warp capabilities? When Corax does reemerge. There is little reason to believe he will suddenly become a team player. He will likely get a briefing then pick an objective for himself to go achieve. Then fly off into the sunset only to take far too long to achieve whatever he sent himself off to do. I have always wanted to like Corax, but have found very little to enjoy about him. I was hoping this series would show him in a different light. Like it has other primarchs. As his lore stands now. He's just far too edge lord. And take too much time to get anything done. The longer Corax takes to hunt down Lorgar. The harder it will become to beat him. Lorgar has mostly stayed in silent meditation. Know that he has come out of his meditation state as a very enhanced deamon primarch. He is embracing what ever his new position he sees for himself. Likely also becoming a better fighter. And for sure becoming a better psycher. He's still a primarch, and capable of setting up traps and safety precautions, against Corax. I'm greatful for the effort put into the focus on him. Maybe it would have been nice to see a little bit more about the Raven Guard.
I think RG would just say "Brother pick out some place to get stuck in, if you wish " Because he is a student of history, I'm sure he heard about the conversation.
I honestly think the likelihood of Corax is less far fetched than most believe. All that needs to happen is Lorgar coming to face Guilliman. Which may very well happen because Lorgar, nor Guilliman has forgotten the Razing of Monarchia. Though Guilliman expresses slight regret for it, Lorgar’s feelings hasn’t changed. And at the end of the fight, when it seems like Lorgar is going to escape once again, Corax appears, stopping Lorgar from returning to the Warp and allowing Guilliman to take his traitor brother’s head. Then from there, the Imperium has a second loyalist Primarch back. I also hope Corax is scorned by the current day Emperor. Because like Guilliman, Corax expected his father to be elated at another one of his sons returning to the fold, a son that he was even closer to than Guilliman. All these expectations only to be let down and hurt by his father’s humanless corpse. This will shake Corax’s loyalty to the Emperor, and this in turn will further improve Guilliman and Corax’s relationship.
Last time I was this early , the Necrons were playing Settlers of C'Tan
So early that the Old Ones were still kind of new?
terrible pun, you should feel ashamed (enjoy your like)
@@Jadefox32 hah
Guilliman needs all the help he can get. Him and Corvus would work well together. Hope he comes back soon.
Though i want the Lion coming back next im happy with any loyalist returning.
I agree. Corax could also lead a cadre of Raven Guard successor chapter, as there are rumors of Kayvaan using his authority on them for some sort of quest.
@@Dreadbringer I doubt the Lion could be willing to cooperate, most because his secrecy and the possible scouring of the DA when he awakes.
@@WookieGroundZero the Lion only kneels for the Emperor so there Will be drama when he sees the current state of affairs but when he returns all His sons Will rally behind his roar and become Legión once again, we were the first and we stand with Terra! For the Emperor & for the Lion!!!
Papa Smurf could run and manage the administrative side of the empire and Corax could start a shadow crusade and open numerous cans of whoop ass on anything that isnt loyalist! That would work. They could just text each other or whatsapp video call for updates and sitreps
I really like Corax as a character, probably one of the most humble of the primarchs and one of the few who actually wanted to have peace and retire after the crusade.
I can imagine him on a porch of some cottage on a paradise world, settled down with a family (if he was able to find someone and conceive a child with them), growing old and enjoying his family. Lorgar and the traitor primarchs took that from him. All that's left is the loyalist Daemon primarch Corax seeking revenge
@@phantomwraith1984 it is written, that Big E had 20 villas made for his sons to enjoy peace after the great crusade. I'm sure those villas are still intact. Deliverance Lost is the novel
One day I'll be back. And Lorgar will be gone
Super dead
Lorgarn't
*Happy Berb Noises*
Be sure to pick up Vulkan along the way, father.
Yes "Father"
Papa Smurf and Edgar Allen Primarch are here to save the Imperium!
“Edgar Allen Primarch” Fuck me imma start using that 😂
Hah! That actually made me lol. I know I'm guilty of typing that more often than I should, but this time I actually laughed out loud when I saw the "Edgar Allan Primarch" part. If you thought of that, that's seriously genius. And if not, thank you for sharing it... It genuinely made my morning that little bit better. 🙏🤙
Has Rebootman checked the Engine of Woes yet?
I’m just saying...
It doesn't judge, it only hates.
Added benefit of that route would be that Guilliman finally gets the hug from a brother he so desperately needs.
A completely spine shattering hug.
Rebootman? That's a new one.
@@Matihood1 about time for a new one
@@Matihood1 Tiz I RE-BOOT MAN! *dun du du DAAA* I'm here to save the day by ruining all your favorite stories!
Corax is severely underrated. I am so appreciative you took the week to explain how awesome the Raven Lord is
Naturally, he is a stealth and jetpack expert. The infiltration strike method, yet when he swoops, its fierce and decisive.
I'm a wolf through and through that being said my sence says most powerful primarch especially since he is so underestimated
bad things happen to those who cross the ravens
Im a son of the Lion and we respect the Ravens duty and their unwavering loyalty.
Im sure their genesire Will come back soon to take His rightfull place, Lions, Wolves and Ravens Will Lay waste to mankinds foes once again, i have no doubt whatsoever.
May the Beast Lords lead the charge. May the foes of man quiver in fear. For the Wolf Lord, the Lion, and the Raven Lord lead the charge, with the legions of old against those foolish enough the go against the Will of the Golden Emperor
Remember, The Night Haunter haunts the night but......ONLY THE RAVEN LORD OWNS IT!!!
Let us not forget that the Emperor gave Corax complete free reign over the Primach Project vaults. He gave Corax all the secrets of their own creation.
That for me was/is the highest level of trust and confidence I can think of tbh.
I guess the time dilation of the warp would make writing his return quite easy , but it’s a trick the writers can only use once really.
‘But I’ve only been tracking Lorgar a few decades’
‘My lord , it’s been over ten thousand years’
‘Ah sheeet , here we go again....’
There is no time in the warp
@@cosuinofdeath hence time dilation between warp and real space.....
"Curze can't save you this time, brother. You WILL die by my hand and I WILL lay your traitor head at Father's feet."
Corvus Corax
Definitely would be an epic line for him to say right before he kills Lorgar.
Will corax return?: 100% yes
When: when GW runs out of ideas
Jajajajaja muy cierto compa
@Message Posted Doesn't ADB write the Emperor like he is as bad as Chaos? How would you have done First Heretic in a more grimdark fashion for example? And McNeil wrote Dead Sky, Black Sun.... I think you're a fake fan.
considering corax has been in warp, i wonder how long he thinks he has been there for? does he think hes been there for days? months? years? millenias? also i wonder if he has visibly aged from the last time guilliman saw him
Good questions.
"millenias"? Isn't "millenia" already plural?
@@Matihood1 It Is but cousin chill, im from Chile and english Is my second tongue, so aré Many warhammer lovers from all over the World, idk if the case with DeanoGTO but i believe the message Is whats important More than a few gramátic mistakes.
@@Dreadbringer it is a latin term and spanish is a bit closer to latin then english :-)
@@sciencefliestothemoon2305 Yes maybe thats why i like latín so much, in spanish its "milenios" for plural, "milenio" for singular.
Salutations battle brother.
I think the biggest question we need to ask about Corax's return is if he would be able to set aside his need for vengeance against lorgar to lead an army / fulfill the needs of the current imperium. While there is no doubt of his prowess in combat, he may be too far gone down the blinding path of vengeance to be of any large scale use to the imperium.
I doubt he'll return at least until he redeems His failure at istvaan, then he would return to bring Lorgars severed head to the Golden throne, though i somehow doubt he would reform His Legión, probably prefers them on chapters for flexibility, or great companys if you Will.
He already returned, we just cant see him
Corax is John Cena confirmed.
true
Don’t forget Corax was the only one to beat Girliman, once, at a game of strategy. So yes they would be happy to see each other. Then Corax will go see big daddy E and then go on a crusade with the raven guard in the vanguard!!
‘Even the most sophisticated simulation is crude compared to real war,’ remarked the primarch. ‘Guilliman tried to learn everything he could from the experiences of his brothers when he first met them. I was constantly vexing him with complaints that he focused too much on distinct military units, not taking into account possible civilian participation. To him there was a line between combatants and noncombatants that I did not see. Before our first encounter Guilliman’s treatises had been swift to rule out casualty-depleted combat forces as incapable, since he was so used to wielding whole battalions and Chapters rather than handfuls of warriors. I demonstrated the error of these beliefs on several occasions, creating effective resistance out of meagre resources that Roboute had considered no longer viable.’
‘An occurrence to be proud of, I am sure,’ Kanar said evenly.
‘The cry of “no retreat” is meaningless to the Raven Guard,’ explained Corax, ‘a prideful boast rather than a sensible tactical doctrine. It was not until our third confrontation that Guilliman realised this for himself.’
‘To best one of the greatest strategos in the Imperium is no mean feat. We are blessed by your attendance.’
‘I make no such claim,’ Corax replied with a lopsided smile. ‘From the fourth simulation on, he had my mark and I could not beat him. He learns well, my brother, and he has far greater vision than me. While I was rescuing a single world from slavery, he was already building an empire of hundreds. I won battles against him, but never a war.’
Corax, P:71
He won three times in fact, the first 3 games. Then Guilliman proceeded to win the next 12 or so
@@silversurfer8818 Coracc attack, he protecc, but most of all he snecc.
But the point was he beat him, I guess it's a feat in and of itself. I imagine most of the other brothers didn't fare well in a battle simulation that was--let's not forget-- was created by Robute. It'd be like beating the creator of Yu Gi Oh at their own game.
Don't forget, Fulgrim beat Guilliman IRL.
Corax recognised the adoration and trust that radiated from the deformed Raptor. He laid one massive hand upon the former legionary’s head, and the fingers of the other curled around his throat. The creature’s mouth worked a few times, and drool dribbled over Corax’s hand and fell to the floor in thick gobbets.
‘I remember everything, and I remember my exact words before I sent that fiend back into the warp-vortex that had birthed it...’
Tears stung the primarch’s eyes.
‘I... I promised him that I would destroy every warp-spawned, Chaos-tainted creature in the galaxy before I die...’
The mewling, groaning thing that had been Navar Hef met his gaze.
‘And I have always kept my promises, my son.’
//Corax P:494
I remember Captain Hef. truly a blow to the Primarch for having to give the emperor's peace to his Raptor son's, 1 by 1.
Regardless of how Corax and Dorn greeted each other, Guilliman and Corax had a completely different relationship...much more like Horus and Sanguinius. I think that Guilliman would also take a much more tactful approach in convincing him to help. Dorn was never known as a diplomat.
I agree cousin, dorn Is too blunt!
Dorn: No
None of his sons are like that as well 😂
I love the parallels between Corax and Jaghatai. "Sorry Rogal, I do what I want, bitch"
Sad this week has to end...Thanks for the deepdive into my favorite primarch
If he returns than with lorgars head in his claws.
My hope as well.
Likely wouldn't kill him but it would hurt him for sure.
@@AdeptKingmaybe he comes back to ask guilliman for the emperors sword to finish him off for good? ;D
Guilliman would be super happy
@@scragglybeard9322 Good point.
No matter what he would be an asset.
Either he helps Guilliman with his plan, making it stronger
Or he is unleashed and puts relentless pressure on the forces of chaos and thus becoming a big enough distraction for Guilliman to exploit
Taking 'Distraction Carnifex' to a whole new level.
Can we get just a general guardsman week? Cool stuff that the basic humans have done or something.
Day one had better be about my boy Ollanius Pius.
@@coltonlong2223 that or Macharius
Perpetual week?
Live, Die, Repeat🤷♂️
"Perturabo in his forge"
"Enters corax"
P: brother what are you doing here have you come to die
C: No I have come to kill you since dorn failed like he always does.
P: he is fathers worst son is he not
C: don't change the topic father says you must die before I return.
"Que comedic fighr of Perturabo throwing clockwork titans at him and corax throwing shade"
I want this so much lol.
I feel... Offended but I like this comment as well.
The Emperor was a big fan of the Punisher and Batman. Who could blame him
Also of animals.
I want freaking Omegon to come back like Solid Snake
Hydra dominatus
Popping up to full height in an unobserved corner with cardboard box shreds flying through the air.
Kept you waiting, huh?
@@coltonlong2223 yes, yes it has
Lol yes pls
Man I'm gonna miss this one! I am a die hard CORAX fan for sure! It's The Raven and the wolf for my dream team up one day...I know I know never gonna go down!!! I can dream though🥺
Someday...
"only loyalist primarch who is alive." COUGH* LIONEL COUGH*
THE LION
THE FIRST, BEST, THE ARCHETYPE.
Hes sleeping tho so it shouldve been the only loyalist primarch who is still kicking ass
Guilliam appreciated corax’s tactical value more than any of his other brothers. Considering how Guilliam’s use of the assassins lately. I think he would employ the raven guard as they were tactically meant to be.
Corax and Jaghatai would do much the same go to the furthest reaches of the Imperium and cut a bloody swath through the enemies of man
Logar plug walks to Temple world with the boyz. Runs back to warp when the shadows stop talking
The Raven Guard chapter would probably follow Corax wherever he went, be that to defend the Imperium or back into the warp to exact vengeance.
I don't think Guilliman would have any doubt about Corax's loyalty, and I think he is smart enough not to try to order him around either. He is a diplomat, possibly the best one at that, I think he would realize that he can't ever hope to fully control Corax, so he would try to point him in a diraction that alligns with his own goals. On the other hand I think Corax would cooperate to a fairly high extent, as he recognizes his brother's strategic genious. Over all I'd be surprised if they would not make a good duo at the helm of the Imperium.
A Gulliman -Corax team up would be sick though. Perfect bait and switch. Gulliman draws the imperium corrupted bureaucrats attention and Corax just smack them from behind. Besides, just because Gman can handle treachery from the imperium, he doesn't want to waste time doing detective work like Corax.
Corvus will not be happy about primaris marines.But after conversation with dad he will help, of course.
Or we could have an even more epic return: how about Corax and Russ joining forces within the Eye? After all both are there and would be a sight to behold (being both quite temperamental)
THAT would be epic!
Can I get this as a buddy cop mini-series ples
Russ may draw Corax's attention if he finds and causes trouble in Nurgle's garden while searching for the tree of life (which could be Isha). That or the Emperor could instruct Corax to go there to assist his brother.
I think Corax would be perfect for the Imperium in the present. His whole thing is fighting against the odds and maximizing the impact of scattered forces.
If he came back Guilliman should let him lose with a crusade to tie up the Imperium’s enemy’s while he got the house in order.
Man Corax was always my favorite. So glad he’s getting some love with his glorious return! Always felt he was the least talked about Primarch.
I love Corax.... probably my second favorite, behind Omegon, and I'm completely serious.
Omegon is best primarch
Imagine if the Emperor actually treated most of his sons like Corax and Horus, actually caring/knowing enough about them to best handle their vastly different personalities, and at least informing his most trusted sons about Chaos and how to fight/resist it.
Lorgar still probably would've turned traitor but maybe Magnus, Horus and Conrad wouldn't have if the Emperor had done more to actually connect with them (especially Conrad and Magnus) maybe they would've kept 2-3 additional Legions.
Last time I was this early, Corax was cheerful.
I think it possible that Guilliman would see great value in unleashing Corax and a renewed Raven Guard, ably supported by massive forces against Chaos. The best defence after all is great offence, and who better to sabotage whatever plans the false gods of the warp have laid, than the Raven Lord?
I'm not sure Corax would keep to the programme exactly. Brilliant Corax week, Wolf Lord. I always had the Lion as my favourite.... certainly made me think of the Raven Guard now 🙂
They'll all return when the time comes!
Hope Is sooner than later.
@@Dreadbringer 40K has been around for what 35 years. It’s gonna be a minute
Even Horus.
@@carsoncasmirri3874 i hope, sometimes It reminds me of Berserk.
We neeeeeeeed Corax month!!!
Corax will return. He will be the Imperium's Judge, Jury, and Executioner.
Isn’t Russ the emperor’s executioner?
@@i-kneel-for-no-man3814 I say he keeps that title if he ever comes back. But I said Corax is the Imperium's executioner, not the Emperor's. He's a man of the people after all :D. At least he was....
Just as konrad should have been
@@Matt-tb5un I can just see Russ and the Lion staring down Corax until he good "meep". Corax is really breaching their roles.
i was disappointed to hear the words "what if", I was hoping this was actually happening on the current lore :c
Me too having corax back in actoon would me smil
Nailed it! Thanks for doing an amazing job with my favorite primarch, your videos are always top-notch and a real treat.
Given everything that happened during the Heresy and since his resurrection I feel like Guilliman knows better than start ordering a newly arrived brother around. Even with Corax's warp form in play I feel like Gman would take a page out of Vulcan's book and demand the biggest hug that's happened in the last 10K years.Their reunion would be great to see. I wouldn't mind the two of them putting the smackdown on Lorgar together. Getting Corax off the path of vengeance though will take some kind of intervention from Big E. even if that is just Guilliman reminding his brother of what their father fought for in the first place
I think if Guilliman gives corvus a good enough reality check via showing him what absolute shithole the imperium has become... He might lay it off vengeance on his own. Or atleast tones it down to a borderline obsessed hunt for wordbearers. Like the dark angels with the fallen.
Although I am a Dark angels loyalists, my second favorite chapter/legion are the raven guard. Corax has an awesome story but what made made me a fan was Nykona Sharrowkyn, he is such an awesome character. I wish he could have played a bigger role in the HH.
But there is still hope, judging by the last story he was in , Nykona resurrected maybe.
Thanks for this week’s series.
Been teaching my eldest the rules tonight and having a beginner game, whilst looking through the rule book he pointed at a raven guard and said he liked them.... good choice kid
For some reason I can just imagine that scene where captain america and bucky beat the snot out of iron man, where guilliman and corax are cap and bucky and lorgar is iron man.
Lorgar will NEVER be that cool or comparatively capable.
Never been so early, last Time the Galaxy wasnt formed Yet.
Ugh I miss Corax so much. Love the Raven Guard and you did a great job throughout the week WolfLord! Thank you.
Name dropping Vulkan at the end.... Please tell me it's Vulkan week next time!
I just hope I'm still alive when he comes back along with the Wolf King and the King of Drakes.
When traitors go to sleep, they check under their beds if Corax is not there.
He is not usually there of course. But they wont risk it.
Of course Corax would.
He's a loyal son of The Emperor.
I lived that conclusion to his book, CLASSIC!
I see Corax as a precise assassin of chaos leaders and leader of insurgencies on chaos planets. Breaking the back of chaos invasions with minimal resources and disappearing before Imperial forces appear.
Would be nice!
I sort've think Corax could be convinced to lead a crusade to hunt down traitor legions/chaos within the Imperium or at least within the materium with his original legion or perhaps he just takes his chapter who are expected to draw from all their sucsessors to be an entirely 'elite' force now. I think that *probably* Lorgar has to be gone for that to happen, though maybe not, but I do think it would be possible to convince him that staying in realspace is really what's needed right now, it's just that without his father saying otherwise he literally would not stop pursuing vengance no matter what and needs to be given the capacity to do so, but even without speaking with big E I think he could be convinced, though I do think that nothing could convince him not to *try* speaking with his father
I think Corax would be a great return, but that's easy because I'd be happy to see any and all loyalist Primarchs return.
I reckon his return would be one of two things, either:
- He'd arrive during a battle that Lorgar has taken to the field, appearing from the warp as a whispy shadow before coalescing into his solid form as he lands a lighting claw into the side of Lorgar who probably runs from the fight at the sight of Corax
- He'd be 'caught/found' at he Emperor's throne trying to speak with him... Some Custodes would be seen nevermore in that reveal, no one would have a clue how he managed to break in (I'd argue it would simply be, like in the Inquisitor novel, the Emperor guided him in).
I think he wouldn't really care too much about the state of the Imperium, it isn't his priority. He'd be very much a fighting Primarch leaving Rebooty to run the Imperium.
Lords of Terra would probably try to tell him what to do and speak of loyalty to the Imperium, to which he would tell them they mean nothing, and the Emperor sets his path.
Rebootyman would recognise he couldn't tell Corax what to do, there would however be massive value in supplying Corax with what he wants/needs and hopefully nudge him in a direction that aids the Imperium.
He'd see the Primaris and be initially sorrowful as they would remind him of his own attempt to rebuild the legion. But, I think he would embrace them quickly once he set aside his own failure to his legion, as HE more than anyone else knew that the Emperor was ok with the Marines being tweaked into a better tool.
I think Rebooty would give Corax the resources to essentially form his own Crusader fleet.
While it maybe too much excitement for us to contain ourselves. It would be epic if Corax's Crusader fleet direction was dictated to by the simple words he'd whisper to Rebooty
"I know where more of our Brothers are being held"
This was the main reason he returned to the Imperium, because he needed an army to release one or more of the Loyalist Primarchs.
and we'd be one step closer to the Grand Crusades of old with Primarchs leading their own fronts of compliance.
the best choice for a returning primarch is Dorn, a Dorn who has learned his lesson, and will focus on preserving the Imperium instead of a vendetta
He's dead.
@@kingbaldwiniv5409 There is no corpse. Merely a severed hand. And we all know how easy it is to replace body parts in the 41st millennium
@@karmaascendant3936, you miss my point.
He was being overwhelmed. You got A PIECE of Dorn.
Curze saw Dorn being ripped apart.
Original canon was that his whole body was in amber.
I am not saying that it is impossible that Dorn lives. I AM saying that to the best of our reckoning, Dorn is gone.
Thoroughly enjoyed this. My Fave primarch and legion (very closely followed up by Russ and the Wolves). Great stuff.
"The shadow" has the whole shit your plant's multiple times factor!
Great video as alwayz brother 🩸🤘🏻love this so much!! Can’t wait for more brotherz to show back up !!
*FLAP FLAP* Vengeance CAAAAAAW!
Great week and honestly, I'd be happy with another one (if there were enough lore lol)
I think Corax finding Robute first could be fun.
What have you done brother as Corax drops Robute bound primaris body guard at his feet.
Love Corax. With how long some of the loyalist Primarchs have been out of the picture, I think a challenge with having one return is giving a plausible explanation for the absence aside from "the warp works in mysterious ways." I could get behind Corax having spent all this time hunting down Word Bearers one by one, and it could be funny if he made a full comeback just because he got bored after running out of traitors to assassinate. My end-game headcanon would then be Corax leading an execution force to slap Lorgar around a little bit more.
I would imagine the bonds of the past would shine though . Corax's dedication to the dream of the imperium is absolute. They would perfect for some amazing story telling
Dang idk what to make my homebrew chapter after anymore. Lol
I could see there being an initial conflict with Guilliman over him taking over as Lord Commander, but seeing the Emperor's sword working in Guilliman's grasp, and knowing that the Emperor had entrusted it to him, Corax would calm down and work with him.
Thank you for indulging my loyalist half with my Ravenlord, now time to indulge the traitor half with Mortarion week!
Low key from a story standpoint I'd hope Corvus is mutated at least a little bit. Maybe some Inquisitors or other fanatics want to exterminate him since he looks like a mutant or warp corruption, Raven Guard are backing their gene papa, then Gulliman shows up flexes his regent title and orders/demands the fanatics stand down as THAT "mutant" IS his brother.
It's cheese, and it's not like he needs anymore contention with Imperial cults, but I don't care.
I can't wait for your review of the new fury of magnus book...ohhh its good
Its weird that the Emperor designed his sons to put their own interests ahead of those of the Imperium, nor that he left no clear line of succession in place in case something happened to him, or appointed one in those last moments before Dorn interned him on the Golden Throne.
I Guess he never see It coming, or didnt want to believe It.
Like always you do a good job. Keep it up. When you do Lion el'Jonson, I would really like you to do the story "First Legion" by Chris Wraight. It is in the Sions of the Emperor anthology. It has a lot of interesting information that would provoke good discussion about The Lion.
I think the death of a Daemon Primarch would be a bigger deal than a returning loyalist one but Corax returning after killing Lorgar is as big as it gets.
Corax the emperor's assassin
( Traitor primarchs beware )
Just wanted to that I really enjoy your post and takes on 40 k
Great Pirmach week!! Thanks!!
I think Guilliman would realize that trying to ORDER Corax would be like trying to push a cooked spaghetti noodle through spaghetti. I think he would ask, try to debate, and when the debate was done, give Corax his head and just say, "I leave you to the dictates of your conscience-I will supply and support you in full, and I will ask for your assistance when I need it. I will not command it, brother."
I really hope we see some of them return. Lion and corax popping up and joining the fight would turn the tide. If a few more popped up they could take the battle to the enemy. Would be epic to see another black crusade run into three primarchs fighting to a stalemate and lemon Russ pop up in the middle of the battle and tear abbadon in half.
A bit late to join the discussion, but I will do so anyway, so please excuse me. I think Guilliman might actually not have as much trouble urging Corax to his side as we might guess. If I remember right, when Corax was first brought into the Imperial fold, it was Guilliman who mentored him and spent time with him, so I'd hazard a guess that their bond is deeper and could possibl more affectionate than the bond between Corax and Dorn. Guilliman is also quite adept at being diplomatic, which lets be honest is not Dorn's strong suit, so I'd imagine he would know better than to think he could order Corax around as he pleased. Even 30k Corax didn't like to be commanded, I see no reason why Guilliman would think that would fly in 40k, especially if he notices the changes in his brother (as I am sure he will).
Not too sure about how devoted Corax still is to the Emperor as well. Loyal, most certainly, just as much as Guilliman is still loyal. From my interpretation of Weregeld, after the failure of the Raptors project and discovering that he and his brothers are made of the warp, he has become quite disillusioned with the Imperium, the nature of the primarchs, and also with the Emperor himself. I honestly see his feelings towards the Emperor right now as similar to Guilliman. He loves his father still. Is loyal to him, probably. But I think his trust in the Emperor is fractured now, and I think he has lost faith in the Imperial Truth. If there is to be any conflict between him and Guilliman, I think it would be about the Imperial Truth and whether it is worth salvaging.
But then again, I don't claim to be any sort of lore expert, so for all I know I could just be entirely, terribly wrong 😂 just wanted to put my thoughts out there though.
If Corax tells Guilliman the same thing he told Dorn, I think there would be a brief argument but, ultimately, I believe Guilliman would concede to Corax's wish to hunt the traitor primarchs. I believe Guilliman would even go as far as to offer to identify the locations of the traitor primarchs who are active in the Imperium, like Magnus. Guilliman is practical, but he's not stubborn like Dorn.
Of course, all this is assuming Guilliman survives his upcoming clash with Mortarion on Iax. We'll have to wait for "Godblight" for the conclusion of that tale.
Hey Wolflord, here's an idea for a video: How would the Siege of Terra have played out if it had been Guilliman and The Lion at Dorn's side rather than Sanguinius and the Khan? Would the Ultramarines' numbers and the Dark Angels' brutal tenacity been a strong enough counter to the onslaught of the traitor legions?
I generally think (loyalist) Primarchs returning would mean 40k has jumped the shark, but if Corax returned, I would FREAK OUT.
Edit: I also think he would be the best at organizing the Imperium Nihilus and getting systems to be able to stand on their own, self sufficiently.
I deff agree that I think there will be a strong debate about it. I also think Gilman could convince the raven to come and help in these direr times. They all ways had a strong bond.
if he comes back he will be a beast fly straight in kill stuff off again
My God I would buy a Corax model in a heartbeat
I think you're right. Corax would need to have audience with the Emperor. Without this... Corax would not be good to the Imperium or his sons. Corax being consumed with vengeance leads him down a road more akin to chaos and he needs to be reeled in somehow, before it is too late. Just like the rage of Sanguinous brought a terrible curse on to his sons. But you see the defiance in Corax when he returned to terra. The same defiance you see in all the traitor Primarchs. Dorn is the lord commander by the emperor's authority. Malcador is the regent by the emperor's authority. Yet Corax will not listen to them because he is focused on what he wants to do and not what the Emperor obviously wants. Had Dorn and Malcador agreed with him... He would not have need to speak with the Emperor.
It's just like with Lorgar. It took the Emperor himself coming to rebuke Lorgar. He would not listen to Malcador. He actually assaulted Malcador which is akin to smacking the Emperor's authority.
Deep down... Very few Primarchs think selflessly. Even when they do, its to serve their own best interests in their own way.
And as we know eventually Corax ran off into the warp after the traitors. Obsessed with vengeance. And we know obsession of any kind is not the way of logic and reason but is a slippery slope to Slaneesh.
If Corax returned he may overtly appear to be a savior, but his obsession with vengeance may be to the imperium's own detriment. Sort of like the dark angels obsesession for vengence and obsession to keep their secrets cause them to abandon the people of the imperium and disobey orders.
Sure enough it seems really bad ass to see Corax doing what he does in this new form, but it seems a lot of fans get so consumed and caught up in the badassery they dont see the dark maniacal machinations of chaos twisting its coils into our beloved Primarchs.
I'm all for keeping good guys good and bad guys bad. But seeing and hearing these same traits of Horus's defiance, Lorgar's defiance, Magnus, Angron, and even traits reminiscent of obsession like Fulgrim. It makes me sad to see Corax go in this direction. Many have fallen from grace believing the ends justify the means, but the chaos gods have proven time and time again, that misguided means, no matter how righteous the goal, will bring about your end.
Corax is chasing a phantom. That's not Lorgar anymore. The daemon primarchs are no longer even real anymore. They are mirror reflections and fake disorted copies. Lorgar is actually dead and gone. Corax is chasing an endless loop and is caught in some type of warp purgatory. Corax needs to be saved, brought back to his senses, and released from this obsessive vengeance quest. The imperium needs him, not vengeance. He won't listen to Guilliman. He needs to be guided back to reason and the Emperor's light or else he will be forever lost.
I would not be surprised if the other Primarchs are lost in and to the warp in a similar fashion. Locked in some infinte loop and endless quest manipulated by the warp and the chaos god's.
This gave me a cool idea they could do maybe the golden throne is really starting to fail and they need some information from big e so corax shows up and with his new warp based powers he can for a minute help push all the broken pieces back together like he keeps himself together in the warp.
Here's how I think should Guilliman and Corax run into each other. There's the elation at seeing each other once more after over 10,000 years. Probably some confusing sentences as they seek to find out how the other's doing before getting down to business. Corax refusing to obey Gulliman's orders to aid the Imperium once more. Gulliman needing all the help he can get begs Corax to at least return to Terra and have a one on one conversation with their father the Emperor. After that it'd be up to Corax, quite likely he'll take up Gulliman's offer to see the Emperor and after what seems like an eternity Corax would walk out of the throne room like Gulliman did, content yet confused, knowing what needs to be done. He'd work with Gulliman, and Dante in securing the Imperium's territory before spear heading a crusade to eradicate his traitorous brothers and their sons
So I’m thinking either Corax is the second to return, or the Lion’s alarm clock goes off
One day he will return. Thanks for the awesome content as always Rho.
Another fantastic video from the wolf lord!
I was sooo absorbed with the potential return of the Lion I failed to consider a returning Corvus who is actually more likely as he is awake and kicking Chaos ass on the daily. Definitely gave me a lot to consider here.
If Lorgar for some reason comes out of the warp for a crusade or something and corax follows him ... we could see primarchs reunited... and maybe he stays to help Guilliman when he sees in what state the Empire is ....
Corax has spent many thousands of years in the warp on his hunt. In all that time he has only come across one of his targets. And only one time at that. He has shown that he cares far more for his vengeance then he does for the Emperor, his sons, or humanity. Until something dramatically changes. He's stuck in the warp.
Corax seems to have gained more powerful abilities from his time in the warp. If he leaves it will his abilities start to regress, closer to pre warp capabilities?
When Corax does reemerge. There is little reason to believe he will suddenly become a team player. He will likely get a briefing then pick an objective for himself to go achieve. Then fly off into the sunset only to take far too long to achieve whatever he sent himself off to do.
I have always wanted to like Corax, but have found very little to enjoy about him. I was hoping this series would show him in a different light. Like it has other primarchs. As his lore stands now. He's just far too edge lord. And take too much time to get anything done.
The longer Corax takes to hunt down Lorgar. The harder it will become to beat him. Lorgar has mostly stayed in silent meditation. Know that he has come out of his meditation state as a very enhanced deamon primarch. He is embracing what ever his new position he sees for himself. Likely also becoming a better fighter. And for sure becoming a better psycher. He's still a primarch, and capable of setting up traps and safety precautions, against Corax.
I'm greatful for the effort put into the focus on him. Maybe it would have been nice to see a little bit more about the Raven Guard.
Last time I was this early, comments that start with "last time I was this early" were still novel and amusing.
I think RG would just say "Brother pick out some place to get stuck in, if you wish " Because he is a student of history, I'm sure he heard about the conversation.
Corax to guilliman: this whole thing bodes... super ill.
I honestly think the likelihood of Corax is less far fetched than most believe. All that needs to happen is Lorgar coming to face Guilliman. Which may very well happen because Lorgar, nor Guilliman has forgotten the Razing of Monarchia. Though Guilliman expresses slight regret for it, Lorgar’s feelings hasn’t changed. And at the end of the fight, when it seems like Lorgar is going to escape once again, Corax appears, stopping Lorgar from returning to the Warp and allowing Guilliman to take his traitor brother’s head. Then from there, the Imperium has a second loyalist Primarch back.
I also hope Corax is scorned by the current day Emperor. Because like Guilliman, Corax expected his father to be elated at another one of his sons returning to the fold, a son that he was even closer to than Guilliman. All these expectations only to be let down and hurt by his father’s humanless corpse. This will shake Corax’s loyalty to the Emperor, and this in turn will further improve Guilliman and Corax’s relationship.