@@sunk_korgi5784 Because the other 3 represents the struggles of a mere "mortal" , the strive for perfection and sensuality, the lust for blood and killing, the scheming and desires to win by any means. But Nurgle alone is the embodiment of nature, the cycle of life. It makes perfect sense that Nurgle would be the most chill and reasonable, because all things ends up in his grasps anyway.
The tainted powers of the warp make monsters of us all, even the most noble of us are not safe from its perils. But the Night Lords have always been monsters, through and through. They need no taint.
@@augustuslunasol10thapostle I don’t remember Batman flaying children and broadcasting their screams across the city wide vox channel, the night lords have been doing stuff like that even before the went “renegade”
The previous scene in the book is one of my absolute favorites. Talos calling Abaddon out on all of his failed crusades and how many lives and resources he's wasted over ten thousand years of failure just tickles the loyalist in me.
In the HH book “legacies of Betrayal” has a short story with “Tagitai Yusugui” as the main character and it goes into his backstory and how he got his name. He as a special person with golden eyes was taken to a mountain top to meditate and wait for a vision. He received one. The 4 chaos goods came to him in this vision and told him to drink from the cup in his hands. The 5th figure did not say anything and was made of cold blinding light. The fifth is highly implied to be the Emperor as Yusugui got the feeling that the other 4 disliked the 5th one. It’s a very good story and I think it would make an awesome video when told by you.
Right! I had forgotten about that one. And the 4 first figures wanted him to drink deep, whereas the 5'th wanted him not to drink at all. He instead drank only enough. A symbolic depiction of warp power and chaos/the Emperor's desire for the legions. And the white scars doing their own thing as usual.
I’ll agree with ADB being BL’s strongest author, but Helsreach, and Blood and Fire are my personal favorites. Black Legion was the first special edition novel I bought and it’s just a fantastic read.
its kinda how my I play my night lords a war band that took the rules and ideas of their father to heart and just judge evil with evil no matter the race or faction., and honestly though makes the most logical end for the night lords ideals especially for those lords who were true sons of the night hunters
@@jonstalin5992 All the other traitor primarchs have ascended and several of them have tried to kill him in the past, he had to ascend to keep up in the arms race.
What makes the night lords resistant to chaos? Kurze was a murderer to the core, but he committed his atrocities to reign in lawlessness and anarchy to create order. "The fear of reprisal is the most effective agent of control", that was probably the second most used quote of the legion and Kurze after "Ave Dominus Nox".
Yes but in the end his blind drive to create a realm of order he created more cruelty and death then if he had just exploded with his Primarch pod on impact. Though the chaos gods never directly got their loyalty, the amount of horror and cruelty they unleashed undoubtedly was a fine delight to many demons. One need not swear loyalty to serve the chaos gods, indeed all the better they dont. Makes the fall all the more tantalizing for some entities, *Cough Tzeenetch
Alternative Title: *Chaos Gods play high-steaks "Deal Or No Deal" with the Night Lords.* Slaanesh: "How about this?" 😏💉 Tzeench: "What about this?" 🤓🪄 Nurgle: "Ain't no way boi." 😑🚫 Khorne: "Guess they saved the best till- _OH COME ON!"_
@@tannerallen4074 my black Templars will never accept the Primaris since they're not made by the Emperor they'rade by Cawl GW saids that all of the black Templars accepted them even though they are considered Heretical i would to see a Black Templar civil war since black Templars got more Astartes in all of the chapters
@@standarddeviation7963 no scouring required as they had already fallen before the heresy. Also they are scum at a genetic level. Edit; there were loyalist night lords though. One even went back to terra
I may not be a fan of the Night Lords but god do I love Talos. I believe that if Conrad were still around he would have been proud to have a son such as Talos.
I agree that, if they were to devote themselves to one of the Four, the Night Lords would likely pledge themselves to Slaanesh. The berserk fury of Khorne does not seem to fit their MO and Tzeentch's gifts are either sufficiently present in the legion or of little use to the Night Lords. I think Slaanesh fits because of the sadism present in the legion and how they revel in the excess of fear that they produce. I can imagine that, in the Night Lords, their Noise Marines would attack with a cacophony of amplified screams - - though I think the legion already does this.
agree with you, but the night lords are not suppossed to enjoy his tortures the same way a slaanesh follower does, they are more like psycopaths that does not feel nothing than joy for a good job or despite for the imperium and themself.
I see why tzeentch would be keen on the night lords. Remember he is the lord of change not sorcery. The night lords certainly change those they come across. They constantly scheme and plot against enemies and each other too
So my thoughts and reasons as to why the Night Lords have always been my go to CSM Legion. The Chaos Gods want what they can't have more than anything. The resistance the Night Lords in general towards submitting to the Chaos Gods, makes the Chaos Gods want them even more. The main reason the Night Lords refuse the Chaos Gods is that their reason for breaking away from the Emperor was they were tired being forced to obey a master. They wanted to answer only to themselves. Submitting to the Chaos Gods would be, in their eyes, just shackling themselves to a new master. They are determined to never be bound to another's will, mortal or otherwise.
I didnt know much about the 8th legion before reading the trilogy but after finishing i started an army which is now my biggest and favorite of any I own. Just Talos' story alone is enough to make the 8th my favourite legion and I hope we see more of The Prophet in the future.
@@markhohenbrink5230 I think this was very unfortunate step of the authors becuase Malice is mostly anti-chaos god and I highly doubt that warband of Malice worshippers would do anything together with any other chaos warband. This just lacks logic.
@@siebensunden they hate the cadians more because they slaughtered their homeworlds population and raised it to the ground. Abaddon said they could reclaim it if they helped him. During the battle they kill traitor and loyalist alike.
I think what makes the Night Lords truly unique amongst the traitors is they have a resistance to the effects of the warp akin to that of the Imperial Fists. The Sons of Horus evidently have gone all in, the Alpha Legion use mutations for shock effect and the Iron Warriors just cut off those effected places. But the Night Lords? they aren't immune to mutation, but they seem to be significantly better off than on their own than any others. Those afflicted are mostly on the psychological level and those that are corrupted usually have made the active choice to pursue those powers. But most often the Night Lords don't even seem greedy or power hungry, there's very little promises daemons can make that'll have them agreeing to any deal, it's just "You're from the warp? Ew, get away from me." Sevatar would just spit on the boots of the friendliest and most human of possessed. Even Curze who gets directly exposed to the warp AT LEAST once doesn't go full on corrupted, at worst he's slightly more mutated as indicated in some of the Night Lords books, but that could also just as easily be written off as his appearance deteriorating on the account of him having gone insane and neglecting his bodily functions. Yet despite all that, this just means they don't need the warp as an excuse to be assholes. They are simultaneously the most redeemable of traitor legions and yet the least
It stated in Blood Reaver that Uzas hates praying to Khorne but needs the power to fight the long war while Cyrion’s taint by Slaneesh turned him into a vampire that feeds off of the fear of his victims but it is like a drug addict needing another fix after each feeding
Tzeentch was intrested in the nightlords dimple because they would serve as additional pawns in his plots with the latent foresight some posess as a marker for future use
ADB has to be one of my favorite authors from TBL. i fell in love with his writing when i was listening to the audiobooks of the nightlords trilogy and then again with the black legion (which hes ment to be writing that now). i also enjoyed andrew wincott's reading of the book too he also plays vampire the masqurade as well so thats also a plus for me lol.
I think Khorn would just show Talos and his legions doing what they did best: inflicting pain and making the Imperium bleed. He would show Talos on the bridge of his ship, once again presiding over the slaughter and feeling that he had once again, if even for a moment, made the Emperor understand what he did to the Night Lords; letting Talos taste Justice for his Primarch with every world he puts to the sword.
As a Night Lord fan, and collector. Anything done on them is brilliant. Still building my growing Warband for tabletop gaming. There are two things themed through out it. We do not worship or acknowledge the Chaos God's. And we, are loyal to ourselves, and Legion. Ave Dominus Noctis.
Cruze was always resentful of being used as a tool, partly due to his gift of foresight; he knew where the path would lead if he followed it. It’s thus easy to understand why his sons are none too eager to pledge themselves to another power or powers as a group; individuals are making personal choices. I think if the Night Lords truly fall to the Ruinous Powers it will be Chaos Undivided rather than one specific god.
Curze has some Emperor like loyalty aura ability. Has a legion of soulless back stabbing honor-less murders, every single one loves him dearly and follows his every word despite obvious disgust and pity at his degradation and weakness. Even Horus was forced to cull his legion.
Sevatar loathed him towards the end though. Sevatar firmly believed the Night Lords were a necessary evil and they shouldn’t revel in what they have to do. He resented Curze for driving the legion down the path of madness and debauched slaughter. In Prince of Crows Sevatar really seems like he’s had enough of Curze.
@@standarddeviation7963 that's not true in the slightest only the Terran born night lords and Sevetar actually liked Konrad. Once they had to start recruiting from Nostramo is when the night lords actually started disliking Konrad. Because the Nostramo born night lords weren't disciplined at all and were a bunch of spoiled kids walking around as demi gods.
Always nice getting a new video from you. I'm working on a project in blender (as a hobby) and I love listening to your stuff when working. Couldn't do it without listening to warhammer lore. :D
They seem to like harvesting trophies. I'm sure Khorne could play off that. Would be a cool CSM army, Khornate night lords covered in skulls and skins and obsessed with the taking of such things from the strongest enemies and dispensing "justice" to the weak for the sin of weakness.
Its strange that nurgle would practically reject anyone. While i agree that out of the big 4 slaanesh is the most appropriate. I wonder what malice the renegade god would think. If his avatar were present i beleive that the night lords would find their proper chaotic patron
Slanesh is tempting for the nightlords but outside of the alucard abridged fetishes, I get a more colder, darker vibe from the nightlords like a space warp entity that specializes in ritual suicide and twisted justice. All the chaos gods exist and need living creatures for power but perhaps there could be a black hole abyss of a god that has deemed that justice for the galaxy is to return everything to nothing. A chaos god that wants to ruin the game so to say is a monster of monsters. But otherwise the nightlords are in such a dynamic position with so many different themes, I adore how the nightlords are themselves feeling divided between the gods like the last slices of pizza.
Im taking part in a Crusade, and Im playing NL and Im actually running them so the characters involved are being influenced by the gods, though not outright worship. Basically each of the gods representing one aspect of the Legion's core principles. Khorne- by far the easiest. Khorne is the god of Murder. the Night Lords were a legion of brutal murderers and killers, even before they fell. Their bloodthirst fits nicely, as well as their practice of taking trophies from their kills Slaanesh- represents their sadism, and them instilling the fear in their enemies of not just death, but all the agonies that come before it. Also represents the thrill they take in the hunt for their vicitms Tzeentch- Represents their cunning, and using their enemies fear itself as a weapon to manipulate them. Also represents them using the shadows/darkness to conceal themselves until ready to make the killing strike Nurgle- Represents their Nihilism and despair, both their own and that they evoke in their enemies. People forget that Nurgle is not JUST a god of disease and rot, he is fore most a god of fear and despair, fear of death, fear of pain, the main weapon and tool the whole legion itself is known for.
Talos: " You are wasting your time demon. I will never join you." Nurgle: " You are right." Talos: " I SAID... wait. what?" Nurgle: " There really is nothing you can offer me in return that i would find pleasing so im good. Im not going to waste my time." Talos: "... You sure. I mean you are not even going to try and tempt me, even a little. I mean i still might reject the offer but you wont even try? Nurgle: " No im good." Talos: " What if i bring plagues to hundreds of world in your name? Nurgle: "Mortarion already has that covered." Talos: "Oh... ok then... BUT what if-"
The legion will raise icons to powers as we see fit. We might barter, we might entreat but never offer worship Ave Dominus Nox Though realistically I think Slaanesh would be the most likely were the legion itself to dedicate itself to one of the gods
The Night Lords seem to have a pretty potent psychic potential. And they are Space Marines. I think those two elements alone show why the Chaos Gods were interested. They could be molded in so many ways by the Ruinous Powers, I am reminded of a Swiss Army Knife; a multitool for every occasion at the hands of Chaos. What interests me the most honestly is why Nurgle bowed out of the bidding war so to speak that the Gods are putting on.
As jago did. He spat his acid saliva in disgust infront of Argel tals transformation ans the Gal Vorbaks. For the Night haunter. For Jago and Konrad Curze
i know the question has pretty much nothing to do with this video but i was curious since the luna wolves changed there name before the heresy to sons of horus so my question if i luna wolves chapter poped up im pretty sure 1st and 2nd founding chapter would know id assume but i was kinda curious if like a group of Dust Raider or Imperial Heralds or War-born chapter with there original names before being changed would the modern Imperium really notice ive hear that sometimes companies or a few space marines pop up from time to time from being lost in the warp
Considering that the Night Lords act as an arm of Machiavelli's terror - whilst introducing Nietzsche's "God is dead" atmosphere to their enemies - it would make sense that a legion designed for terror tactics would fail to hold icons and gods with any sort of reverence. For [they] are judgement unto the damned; and there can be no 'higher' entity than their remit.
@@tmarritt Well Malice may want to destory the other chaos gods... just like all the other chaos gods really. However one should make no mistake, they will butcher and maim the populus with just as much gleeful horror as any other worshipper of dark entites.
I imagine Khornes audition wouldn't have gone great: 'So I see you love the killing, and i'm all about that life, but i'm gonna need you to dial down the torture stuff cos thats more my sisterbrothers thing.' '......no deal.'
With the Night Lord's being the Night Lord's. I would say they would fall under chaos undivided. Or, they would worship Malal. They seem like they are all about malice.
The Chaos gods are born of mortal passions. That means they are a part of every mortal, and every mortal is a part of them. Getting their attention is, in theory, as easy as looking in a mirror. It's just not particularly safe.
Konrad never wanted his sons to become slaves of the dark gods. And that’s what I love about the night lords books and especially Talos or any renegade marine that won’t be a slave to the whims of the emperor or the chaos gods. They are their own masters
Ah yes, the scene I jokingly refer to as "The Temptation of Talos". Abaddon clearly underestimated this him, and put too much stock in sorcerers like Ruven.
Why do you think abbadon never dedicated himself to a god, they keep giving him stuff as bribes and he's like nah cool stuff but nah, hence why he has no mutations and is still free
While I can agree about the Night Lords Legion being unwanted by Nurgle, a fun point I thought of was that Nurgle might've wanted Konrad Curze himself. Nurgle is the God of disease and decay yes, but also of despair and cycles. As we all know, Konrad was full of despair over what he thought was a certain fate. I could easily see Nurgle sweeping in to flip the script and get Konrad to see the "beauty" of his cycles of life and death, of accepting fate and giving in to his despair.
Khorne: I bring power and prowess! Tzeentch: I can make you shoot lazers out of your eyes! Slaanesh: I bring space cocaine! Nurgle: I'm just here for the drinks, don't mind me.
I like the thought that as the four chaos gods circle him, gork N mork sit above looking down thinking to themselves "hope you can give us a challenge" 😉😂
This was a good series. It actually showed the traitors are real characters with depth, and not just some chaos crazed pantomime villains that you find in other novels.
Slaanesh seems like the perfect patron for them, they all seem to be sadists and have more stylised armour than the Emporers Children. Maybe Korne would actually despise the Night Lords for their cowardly and underhanded tactics, the way they kill the weak and their latent psychic powers. The Death gaurd and Iron warriors would be much better suited to the Korne in my opinion.
Could the Night Lords join up with another traitor legion which isn’t aligned to a Chaos God like the Alpha Legion? Different styles but they might complement each our
It would be quite a spectacle if GW would bring back Malice and the Night Lords side with him. Renegade, Vengeance, Terror would be a fitting match. :D
Can someone please help me im under the charm that conrad never fail or fell to chaos i mean we see that he is still steadfast in his actions were you either r or your not i mean he is the definition of absolute could some one tell me im wrong i mean i did just get into 40k or warhammer
I loved ADB's trilogy and the Nightlords they stand not as Chaos but Traitor Marines they don't like witches' and if any member of there claw falls to chaos then they are weaklings and fools and there attitude that they built the Imperium so if the want something it's there right to take it . ADB's narrating the story through the slave was also brilliant
If the emperor turned up he’d burn nurgles garden put khorne in a nappie give tzcheech a rubric cube and slannesh would be forced to count the grains of sand of every beach and desert in the galaxy
Even if you hate the traitor legions you can't help but feel pity for the astartes as most of them didn't know what was really pulling the strings during the heresy.
I feel like Khaine would be the god the Night Lords could rally around! If that was even possible. But more likely they are eventually gonna end up in the service of Malice or Slaanesh.
How come the night lords and world eaters never get along pre heresy? They both used dirty slaughter to conquer worlds. Why not work together? I mean, perhaps its the butcher’s nails driving one side completely insane but still
I love that Nurgle was just like "naw that's ok batboy I'm good" 🤣
Nurgle IMHO is the most "sane" of the 4 main chaos gods. Even his followers are pretty reasonable, the silent lords is a great read :D
@@sunk_korgi5784 Because the other 3 represents the struggles of a mere "mortal" , the strive for perfection and sensuality, the lust for blood and killing, the scheming and desires to win by any means. But Nurgle alone is the embodiment of nature, the cycle of life. It makes perfect sense that Nurgle would be the most chill and reasonable, because all things ends up in his grasps anyway.
@@RichterBelmont2235 that's why they (Nurglings) call it the "Long War."
@@RichterBelmont2235 I couldn't have put it better myself. You're spot on.
@@steelgreyed i think all the legions call it "the long war".
Eternal Crusade may have missed a lot of marks, but one thing they got right were the Night Lords battlecries
*"The gods can wait, we need fear!"*
“We are the lords of night!! Run hahaha!!” My favorite one
@@georgesoha4725 AVE DOMINUS NOX!, FOR CURZE!
My favorite is "Heal me you bastard!"
I COME FOR YOU!... better yet NOSTRAMO!
That and the Alpha Legion's "Hah! For the Emperor..." are my favorites from that game's chaos marines.
Chaos Gods: Notice us!
Night Lords:....No!
(Proceeds to repeat this for 10K years.)
Chaos: notice me senp-
Night lords: FUCK. OFF.
I see you too are a man of culture (DBZ Abridged)
Krieg Archebus and the Painted Court notice them. Archebus controls the largest warband
Chaos gods simping for the mortals? That's new
got some serious Rorschach vibes from the Night Haunters.
The night Lord's are true to themselves
Only in 40k could that be bonechilling
The tainted powers of the warp make monsters of us all, even the most noble of us are not safe from its perils.
But the Night Lords have always been monsters, through and through.
They need no taint.
@@augustuslunasol10thapostle I don’t remember Batman flaying children and broadcasting their screams across the city wide vox channel, the night lords have been doing stuff like that even before the went “renegade”
@@Carnage94 True that
@@Carnage94 No but I'm sure there were times ol Bats thought about doing it.
The previous scene in the book is one of my absolute favorites. Talos calling Abaddon out on all of his failed crusades and how many lives and resources he's wasted over ten thousand years of failure just tickles the loyalist in me.
In the HH book “legacies of Betrayal” has a short story with “Tagitai Yusugui” as the main character and it goes into his backstory and how he got his name. He as a special person with golden eyes was taken to a mountain top to meditate and wait for a vision. He received one. The 4 chaos goods came to him in this vision and told him to drink from the cup in his hands. The 5th figure did not say anything and was made of cold blinding light. The fifth is highly implied to be the Emperor as Yusugui got the feeling that the other 4 disliked the 5th one. It’s a very good story and I think it would make an awesome video when told by you.
the 5th was Malal, nobody likes Malal cause hes an asshole.😂
Right! I had forgotten about that one. And the 4 first figures wanted him to drink deep, whereas the 5'th wanted him not to drink at all. He instead drank only enough.
A symbolic depiction of warp power and chaos/the Emperor's desire for the legions. And the white scars doing their own thing as usual.
@@Kristian.B.Kristiansen yeah it was really cool. I love the white scars now and I can’t wait for the next book and more skirmish’s with Morty.
Sorry bro that was me, my other siblings don't like to talk about me much : / younger siblings hate towards their older bro and all.
Lol damn I just read that part and was about to comment about that😂, was a super cool scene tho!
The Soul Hunter trilogy really is ADB's best work.
first trilogy i enjoyed by BL
ok so im sold im starting it already
I’ll agree with ADB being BL’s strongest author, but Helsreach, and Blood and Fire are my personal favorites. Black Legion was the first special edition novel I bought and it’s just a fantastic read.
I also loved helsreach, ADB does good work
I'd say First Heretic and Betrayer are his best. But all of his books are really great.
Sevetar and Talos, true sons of the Night Haunter. What all the eighth should have been.
Zso Sahaal as well.
No love for xarl?
its kinda how my I play my night lords a war band that took the rules and ideas of their father to heart and just judge evil with evil no matter the race or faction., and honestly though makes the most logical end for the night lords ideals especially for those lords who were true sons of the night hunters
Their father did say that he considered Sevatar and his sons like him to exemplify the type of warriors he intended his legion to be.
Ophion is also a cool character
The Night Lords astartes could fall to chaos, but never Curze himself. He hated chaos corruption passionately.
So did Mortarion, and definitely Perturabo. They still fell.
@@jormasteelhail948 Mortarion was dragged against his will and Perturabo doesn't follow chaos, he just uses it as another weapon against the Imperium.
@@cousinzeke4888 isn't perturabo literally a deamon Prince now? 😂
@@jonstalin5992 was still given immense power, which he uses against the imperium. Still fits the criteria
@@jonstalin5992 All the other traitor primarchs have ascended and several of them have tried to kill him in the past, he had to ascend to keep up in the arms race.
The Chaos Gods: We shall bend you to our will!
The Night Lords: No.
Rogal Dorn but Konrad Kurze
@@benbauer1257 I would love a HH novel with Imperial Fists and Night Lords working together.
Chaos gods: What do you mean no? Is that even allowed?
Night Lords: Dont know. Dont care. Shut up.
What makes the night lords resistant to chaos? Kurze was a murderer to the core, but he committed his atrocities to reign in lawlessness and anarchy to create order. "The fear of reprisal is the most effective agent of control", that was probably the second most used quote of the legion and Kurze after "Ave Dominus Nox".
Curze is anathema. One of many aspects he shares with his father. Foresight. Loyalty/Love aura. Anathema.
Yes but in the end his blind drive to create a realm of order he created more cruelty and death then if he had just exploded with his Primarch pod on impact. Though the chaos gods never directly got their loyalty, the amount of horror and cruelty they unleashed undoubtedly was a fine delight to many demons. One need not swear loyalty to serve the chaos gods, indeed all the better they dont. Makes the fall all the more tantalizing for some entities, *Cough Tzeenetch
Alternative Title: *Chaos Gods play high-steaks "Deal Or No Deal" with the Night Lords.*
Slaanesh: "How about this?" 😏💉
Tzeench: "What about this?" 🤓🪄
Nurgle: "Ain't no way boi." 😑🚫
Khorne: "Guess they saved the best till- _OH COME ON!"_
I made a loyalist Night Lord's who got lost in the warp and hated their traitor brothers so they went into a penitent crusade to redeem themselves
I’d love to see pictures of this! I have a primaris army converted to night lords
@@tannerallen4074 my black Templars will never accept the Primaris since they're not made by the Emperor they'rade by Cawl GW saids that all of the black Templars accepted them even though they are considered Heretical i would to see a Black Templar civil war since black Templars got more Astartes in all of the chapters
Did the Night Lords have a culling or were there just no loyal night lords to cull?
Nice!!
@@standarddeviation7963 no scouring required as they had already fallen before the heresy.
Also they are scum at a genetic level.
Edit; there were loyalist night lords though. One even went back to terra
I may not be a fan of the Night Lords but god do I love Talos. I believe that if Conrad were still around he would have been proud to have a son such as Talos.
I agree that, if they were to devote themselves to one of the Four, the Night Lords would likely pledge themselves to Slaanesh. The berserk fury of Khorne does not seem to fit their MO and Tzeentch's gifts are either sufficiently present in the legion or of little use to the Night Lords. I think Slaanesh fits because of the sadism present in the legion and how they revel in the excess of fear that they produce. I can imagine that, in the Night Lords, their Noise Marines would attack with a cacophony of amplified screams - - though I think the legion already does this.
Probably would make some interesting helms with amplifiers
agree with you, but the night lords are not suppossed to enjoy his tortures the same way a slaanesh follower does, they are more like psycopaths that does not feel nothing than joy for a good job or despite for the imperium and themself.
They would worship Malice imo
@@LopsidedMoz If GW actually made Malice a significant figure in the lore, it'd be the perfect god for the Night Lords.
I see why tzeentch would be keen on the night lords. Remember he is the lord of change not sorcery. The night lords certainly change those they come across. They constantly scheme and plot against enemies and each other too
Night Lords need a primarch novel that deals with the first campaign under Curze.
The thing I love in soul hunter is the description of the exalted , and the ever changing effects of tzeentch on him
So my thoughts and reasons as to why the Night Lords have always been my go to CSM Legion. The Chaos Gods want what they can't have more than anything. The resistance the Night Lords in general towards submitting to the Chaos Gods, makes the Chaos Gods want them even more. The main reason the Night Lords refuse the Chaos Gods is that their reason for breaking away from the Emperor was they were tired being forced to obey a master. They wanted to answer only to themselves. Submitting to the Chaos Gods would be, in their eyes, just shackling themselves to a new master. They are determined to never be bound to another's will, mortal or otherwise.
Digging the look of the night Lords.
They went to the same costume shop as the character 'Frank'
Ave Dominus Nox! 🦇 🤘🏻
Awesome trilogy! ADB is definitely my favourite writer.
I didnt know much about the 8th legion before reading the trilogy but after finishing i started an army which is now my biggest and favorite of any I own. Just Talos' story alone is enough to make the 8th my favourite legion and I hope we see more of The Prophet in the future.
After night lords week, can you do something for the sons of malice or the lamenters?
Sons of malice would be great. Malice as a god doesnt get enough love.
Is there even that much information about the Sons of Malice to justify making a video that wouldn't be just made of hypotheses?
@@Matihood1 they helped abadon destroy cadia due to a grudge. Other than that, the stories about them are few.
@@markhohenbrink5230 I think this was very unfortunate step of the authors becuase Malice is mostly anti-chaos god and I highly doubt that warband of Malice worshippers would do anything together with any other chaos warband. This just lacks logic.
@@siebensunden they hate the cadians more because they slaughtered their homeworlds population and raised it to the ground. Abaddon said they could reclaim it if they helped him. During the battle they kill traitor and loyalist alike.
Ahh the night lords trilogy, my first novels that got me into 40k and they were my first army when I started in late 6th edition. Ave Dominus Nox!
Khorne:...Well this is my off--
*Talos wakes up*
Khorne:FCK!!!
I think what makes the Night Lords truly unique amongst the traitors is they have a resistance to the effects of the warp akin to that of the Imperial Fists. The Sons of Horus evidently have gone all in, the Alpha Legion use mutations for shock effect and the Iron Warriors just cut off those effected places. But the Night Lords? they aren't immune to mutation, but they seem to be significantly better off than on their own than any others. Those afflicted are mostly on the psychological level and those that are corrupted usually have made the active choice to pursue those powers. But most often the Night Lords don't even seem greedy or power hungry, there's very little promises daemons can make that'll have them agreeing to any deal, it's just "You're from the warp? Ew, get away from me." Sevatar would just spit on the boots of the friendliest and most human of possessed. Even Curze who gets directly exposed to the warp AT LEAST once doesn't go full on corrupted, at worst he's slightly more mutated as indicated in some of the Night Lords books, but that could also just as easily be written off as his appearance deteriorating on the account of him having gone insane and neglecting his bodily functions. Yet despite all that, this just means they don't need the warp as an excuse to be assholes. They are simultaneously the most redeemable of traitor legions and yet the least
It stated in Blood Reaver that Uzas hates praying to Khorne but needs the power to fight the long war while Cyrion’s taint by Slaneesh turned him into a vampire that feeds off of the fear of his victims but it is like a drug addict needing another fix after each feeding
Tzeentch was intrested in the nightlords dimple because they would serve as additional pawns in his plots with the latent foresight some posess as a marker for future use
ADB has to be one of my favorite authors from TBL. i fell in love with his writing when i was listening to the audiobooks of the nightlords trilogy and then again with the black legion (which hes ment to be writing that now). i also enjoyed andrew wincott's reading of the book too
he also plays vampire the masqurade as well so thats also a plus for me lol.
I think Khorn would just show Talos and his legions doing what they did best: inflicting pain and making the Imperium bleed. He would show Talos on the bridge of his ship, once again presiding over the slaughter and feeling that he had once again, if even for a moment, made the Emperor understand what he did to the Night Lords; letting Talos taste Justice for his Primarch with every world he puts to the sword.
Spooky boys do not need a chaos god, they can just scare the crap out the galaxy as they pleased.
Talos was waiting for his foresight to see if the 5th god Malice would appear.
As a Night Lord fan, and collector. Anything done on them is brilliant. Still building my growing Warband for tabletop gaming. There are two things themed through out it. We do not worship or acknowledge the Chaos God's. And we, are loyal to ourselves, and Legion.
Ave Dominus Noctis.
Cruze was always resentful of being used as a tool, partly due to his gift of foresight; he knew where the path would lead if he followed it. It’s thus easy to understand why his sons are none too eager to pledge themselves to another power or powers as a group; individuals are making personal choices.
I think if the Night Lords truly fall to the Ruinous Powers it will be Chaos Undivided rather than one specific god.
Awesome video! I totally hope you do a video on Malcharion the Night lords Dreadnought. Total badass.
Refuses to wake up for ten thousand years... till someone starts a gunfight in his bedroom lol
The Dark Gods can wait in line only one can lay claim to there souls ..... The NightHaunter !
Curze has some Emperor like loyalty aura ability. Has a legion of soulless back stabbing honor-less murders, every single one loves him dearly and follows his every word despite obvious disgust and pity at his degradation and weakness. Even Horus was forced to cull his legion.
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“Every single one loves him”
*Jago Sevatar has entered the chat*
@@dustyboi8975 Sevatar loved him the most.
Sevatar loathed him towards the end though. Sevatar firmly believed the Night Lords were a necessary evil and they shouldn’t revel in what they have to do. He resented Curze for driving the legion down the path of madness and debauched slaughter. In Prince of Crows Sevatar really seems like he’s had enough of Curze.
@@standarddeviation7963 that's not true in the slightest only the Terran born night lords and Sevetar actually liked Konrad. Once they had to start recruiting from Nostramo is when the night lords actually started disliking Konrad. Because the Nostramo born night lords weren't disciplined at all and were a bunch of spoiled kids walking around as demi gods.
Always nice getting a new video from you. I'm working on a project in blender (as a hobby) and I love listening to your stuff when working. Couldn't do it without listening to warhammer lore. :D
Poor Khorne. I was curious how he could make Night Lords into berzerkers given their purpose.
They seem to like harvesting trophies. I'm sure Khorne could play off that. Would be a cool CSM army, Khornate night lords covered in skulls and skins and obsessed with the taking of such things from the strongest enemies and dispensing "justice" to the weak for the sin of weakness.
I read somewhere that Nightlords were actually Khorne worshippers in Rogue trader.
Poor Uzas.
Yeah, seeing as a pretty major plot point is the transformation of Uzas into a berzerker, I'm a bit surprised that there wasnt a larger focus.
The avatar of the emperor has 'crashed the party' in the Horus Heresy Book Scars by Chris Wraight.
Its strange that nurgle would practically reject anyone. While i agree that out of the big 4 slaanesh is the most appropriate. I wonder what malice the renegade god would think. If his avatar were present i beleive that the night lords would find their proper chaotic patron
Slanesh is tempting for the nightlords but outside of the alucard abridged fetishes, I get a more colder, darker vibe from the nightlords like a space warp entity that specializes in ritual suicide and twisted justice. All the chaos gods exist and need living creatures for power but perhaps there could be a black hole abyss of a god that has deemed that justice for the galaxy is to return everything to nothing. A chaos god that wants to ruin the game so to say is a monster of monsters.
But otherwise the nightlords are in such a dynamic position with so many different themes, I adore how the nightlords are themselves feeling divided between the gods like the last slices of pizza.
WAKE ME UP! WAKE ME UP INSIDE! CAN'T WAKE UP! SAVE MEEEEEEE!!
Just bought Soul Hunter from Audible because of this video thanks Wolf
IM Back Hey Wolf happy new year And Night Lord's Yess!
hmmm...would be interesting if loyalist night lords joined up with the officio assassinorum as an ironic turnabout of events due to who killed kurze.
That’s something like M. night Shyamalan would do.... what a twist?
The Alpha Legion would be proud.
Kurze let himself die though, he knew the assassin was coming but didn't want to stop them
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You are so right about the ADB Night Lord's trilogy, it's a superb read.
All the chaos gods want armies. The Night Lords are a good army because of their penchant for causing fear among foes and overkill.
The Night Lord trilogy is easily one of ADB's greatest works.
its one of the best works period. as for chaos probably the best. as for wharhammer its easily in top 3 it s new York best seller.
I like Tzeentch the most. He has the best strategies and with the warp powers he gifts its just hard to beat on the battlefield.
That Slaanesh astartes art is on point!
Im taking part in a Crusade, and Im playing NL and Im actually running them so the characters involved are being influenced by the gods, though not outright worship. Basically each of the gods representing one aspect of the Legion's core principles.
Khorne- by far the easiest. Khorne is the god of Murder. the Night Lords were a legion of brutal murderers and killers, even before they fell. Their bloodthirst fits nicely, as well as their practice of taking trophies from their kills
Slaanesh- represents their sadism, and them instilling the fear in their enemies of not just death, but all the agonies that come before it. Also represents the thrill they take in the hunt for their vicitms
Tzeentch- Represents their cunning, and using their enemies fear itself as a weapon to manipulate them. Also represents them using the shadows/darkness to conceal themselves until ready to make the killing strike
Nurgle- Represents their Nihilism and despair, both their own and that they evoke in their enemies. People forget that Nurgle is not JUST a god of disease and rot, he is fore most a god of fear and despair, fear of death, fear of pain, the main weapon and tool the whole legion itself is known for.
Talos: " You are wasting your time demon. I will never join you."
Nurgle: " You are right."
Talos: " I SAID... wait. what?"
Nurgle: " There really is nothing you can offer me in return that i would find pleasing so im good. Im not going to waste my time."
Talos: "... You sure. I mean you are not even going to try and tempt me, even a little. I mean i still might reject the offer but you wont even try?
Nurgle: " No im good."
Talos: " What if i bring plagues to hundreds of world in your name?
Nurgle: "Mortarion already has that covered."
Talos: "Oh... ok then... BUT what if-"
The legion will raise icons to powers as we see fit. We might barter, we might entreat but never offer worship
Ave Dominus Nox
Though realistically I think Slaanesh would be the most likely were the legion itself to dedicate itself to one of the gods
So I had never knew that much about the night lords. If possible, could you make a video explaining them more in depth?
The Night Lords seem to have a pretty potent psychic potential. And they are Space Marines. I think those two elements alone show why the Chaos Gods were interested. They could be molded in so many ways by the Ruinous Powers, I am reminded of a Swiss Army Knife; a multitool for every occasion at the hands of Chaos. What interests me the most honestly is why Nurgle bowed out of the bidding war so to speak that the Gods are putting on.
True.
I wasn't a fan. Until I read the trilogy. This reminded me why I read the three novels
Ave
Dominus
Nox
As jago did. He spat his acid saliva in disgust infront of Argel tals transformation ans the Gal Vorbaks.
For the Night haunter. For Jago and Konrad Curze
I’ve just got the anniversary edition of the nightlords trilogy with the extra stories n stuff 😃😃😃 can’t wait to read it!!!!!
i know the question has pretty much nothing to do with this video but i was curious since the luna wolves changed there name before the heresy to sons of horus so my question if i luna wolves chapter poped up im pretty sure 1st and 2nd founding chapter would know id assume but i was kinda curious if like a group of Dust Raider or Imperial Heralds or War-born chapter with there original names before being changed would the modern Imperium really notice ive hear that sometimes companies or a few space marines pop up from time to time from being lost in the warp
ADBs night lords trilogy is one of the best bl has to offer imo. Not sure why they didn’t have him do Curzes book though
Considering that the Night Lords act as an arm of Machiavelli's terror - whilst introducing Nietzsche's "God is dead" atmosphere to their enemies - it would make sense that a legion designed for terror tactics would fail to hold icons and gods with any sort of reverence.
For [they] are judgement unto the damned; and there can be no 'higher' entity than their remit.
I actually recently finally read this novel even though its been in my shelf for over a decade.
They would be perfect for malice.
Always thought alpha legion was better suited to him... it
@@tmarritt Absolutely. If they aren't loyal that is.
@@iagree6677 its malice thing to destroy the chaos gods, sounds like something they would do if they were loyal lol
@@tmarritt Well Malice may want to destory the other chaos gods... just like all the other chaos gods really. However one should make no mistake, they will butcher and maim the populus with just as much gleeful horror as any other worshipper of dark entites.
@@macromicro1715 for a legion that was willing to end humanity so chaos would die faster, that sounds fine tbh.
pleasepleasepleasepleaseplease do a Corax week. Id love to hear your thoughts on the culling of the raptors or all of Weregald or ravens Flight aaaa
I’m pretty sure there is already stuff about that on the channel
I imagine Khornes audition wouldn't have gone great:
'So I see you love the killing, and i'm all about that life, but i'm gonna need you to dial down the torture stuff cos thats more my sisterbrothers thing.'
'......no deal.'
With the Night Lord's being the Night Lord's. I would say they would fall under chaos undivided. Or, they would worship Malal. They seem like they are all about malice.
The Emperor crashing the party, just means a 5th monster has appeared. Bad numbers go up, not down.
The Chaos gods are born of mortal passions. That means they are a part of every mortal, and every mortal is a part of them. Getting their attention is, in theory, as easy as looking in a mirror. It's just not particularly safe.
Konrad never wanted his sons to become slaves of the dark gods. And that’s what I love about the night lords books and especially Talos or any renegade marine that won’t be a slave to the whims of the emperor or the chaos gods. They are their own masters
Ah yes, the scene I jokingly refer to as "The Temptation of Talos". Abaddon clearly underestimated this him, and put too much stock in sorcerers like Ruven.
Every single SM that fell or falls to chaos is only and always will be a pawn. The delusion of freedom. The irony is palpable.
Why do you think abbadon never dedicated himself to a god, they keep giving him stuff as bribes and he's like nah cool stuff but nah, hence why he has no mutations and is still free
@@richardpatterson4496 He's the biggest fool of them all regardless.
While I can agree about the Night Lords Legion being unwanted by Nurgle, a fun point I thought of was that Nurgle might've wanted Konrad Curze himself. Nurgle is the God of disease and decay yes, but also of despair and cycles. As we all know, Konrad was full of despair over what he thought was a certain fate. I could easily see Nurgle sweeping in to flip the script and get Konrad to see the "beauty" of his cycles of life and death, of accepting fate and giving in to his despair.
Worlf Lord you do the Emperor Proud!
Great take on my favorite books in the Black Library
I'm painting some termies for my Night Lords army as I'm listening to this
Khorne: I bring power and prowess!
Tzeentch: I can make you shoot lazers out of your eyes!
Slaanesh: I bring space cocaine!
Nurgle: I'm just here for the drinks, don't mind me.
Khorne smashes half of his realm into pieces for not being able to show offer. Probably made a powerpoint presentation and everything...
Curze was supposed to be the judge right? Perhaps his son's are seeking justice.
Curze was but his sons don't give one shit anymore. The legion was a mess even before the heresy.
I like the thought that as the four chaos gods circle him, gork N mork sit above looking down thinking to themselves "hope you can give us a challenge" 😉😂
Love your work brother
A moment is 90 seconds, not one.
Thank you for making me appreciate the nightlords!
I feel silly now for writing them off as simple and crude.
This was a good series. It actually showed the traitors are real characters with depth, and not just some chaos crazed pantomime villains that you find in other novels.
This trilogy is so good!!! Just waiting to see a new book that starts another trilogy!!
Slaanesh seems like the perfect patron for them, they all seem to be sadists and have more stylised armour than the Emporers Children. Maybe Korne would actually despise the Night Lords for their cowardly and underhanded tactics, the way they kill the weak and their latent psychic powers. The Death gaurd and Iron warriors would be much better suited to the Korne in my opinion.
Could the Night Lords join up with another traitor legion which isn’t aligned to a Chaos God like the Alpha Legion? Different styles but they might complement each our
Damn Rho... just as I’m riding a loyalist high.. getting my damn flesh Tearers painted... you put up videos of the one legion I can never say no to 😂
It would be quite a spectacle if GW would bring back Malice and the Night Lords side with him. Renegade, Vengeance, Terror would be a fitting match. :D
Love the edits
Can someone please help me im under the charm that conrad never fail or fell to chaos i mean we see that he is still steadfast in his actions were you either r or your not i mean he is the definition of absolute could some one tell me im wrong i mean i did just get into 40k or warhammer
Rad, Night Lords week.
I loved ADB's trilogy and the Nightlords they stand not as Chaos but Traitor Marines they don't like witches' and if any member of there claw falls to chaos then they are weaklings and fools and there attitude that they built the Imperium so if the want something it's there right to take it . ADB's narrating the story through the slave was also brilliant
If the emperor turned up he’d burn nurgles garden put khorne in a nappie give tzcheech a rubric cube and slannesh would be forced to count the grains of sand of every beach and desert in the galaxy
Traitors reaping the destiny of traitors.
Even if you hate the traitor legions you can't help but feel pity for the astartes as most of them didn't know what was really pulling the strings during the heresy.
I feel that Malal would be the most appropiate God for the Night Lords.
I could imagine them as the judges and executioners of EVERYONE
I feel like Khaine would be the god the Night Lords could rally around! If that was even possible. But more likely they are eventually gonna end up in the service of Malice or Slaanesh.
Khorne:This is my offer
Emperor: Slap Talos with the might of a thousand stars
To wake up
How come the night lords and world eaters never get along pre heresy? They both used dirty slaughter to conquer worlds. Why not work together? I mean, perhaps its the butcher’s nails driving one side completely insane but still
I always had a personal headcanon that the night lords had fallen to malal/ malice. It explains their attitude well
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Isn't there fifth chaos god somewhere? Could he be a prefered god for the Nightlords?
he's still in the void of irrelevance
Malice, but yes GW sometimes vinks at him but no real comfirmation.