Mirage/Bullet Jump/Barrel Life
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 17 ต.ค. 2024
- Lots to say, only 20 odd minutes to say it, so yes it was a quick video, lol, hope it helps.
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Exceptional content Mark. You really know how to deliver a message clearly with factual reasoning. I always enjoy and learn from your podcasts. Thanks for the great content.
Thanks Warren, cheers
Thanks guys. I love that you can be both systematic and matter-of-fact in your approach.
Thanks Man, Cheers
Another very instructive video Mark. A good demonstration of things not being where they appear is when you like a straight stick into water and the submerged end ceases to be in a straight line - refraction, like a mirage.
Thanks Geoff, Cheers
To reduce barrel wear I keep my rifle in my closet. I don't want anyone to even look at it.
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Big thanks and CHEERS for detailing the correct way to extend barrel life. I've spent years trying to explain this to people I know, but now I can send them this link and you cover it all very thoroughly, in much more coherent language than I have the patience to give them repeatedly.
Thanks Man, Cheers
This was the best explanation of hybrid bullets I've ever seen. Great info on mirage and barrel life as well. I'm getting ready to put a new barrel on my RPR 6mm Creedmoor, so it's perfect timing. Thanks for the great info!
Thanks Mike. Cheers
Thank you for these very insightful comments.
The results Sam and you achieve are truly inspirational. I hope I can successfully only cover a fraction of the ground you two have walked.
Please keep up your excellently documented work as it gives us all a goal to aim for!
Thanks Man, Cheers
That’s nice to know I’m careful of the rate of fire as well.hope to get 3k out of my Lithgow 243 only got it out to 550 yards so far. That’s as far as I can shoot on my block need neighbours like yours let me put some targets up ;-) then out to 1000. Great videos mark and sam
Thanks Chris, Cheers
Very knowledgeable person. Just a comical thought as we contemplate barrel life while giving no consideration to the fact that our guns are all going to outlive us. Mark and Sam are the best!
Thanks Michael, Cheers
Fantastic information. I was listening to the Wired to Hunt podcast earlier today and they had Adam Weatherby on and he briefly touched on how his family early on was on a mission to provide faster cartridges. Was neat to hear you bring that up in this video
Thanks Man, Cheers
Great info, thanks!
I've listened to plenty of other videos on these topics, but Mark ties it all together so completely and so clearly. I am getting better and, more importantly feel confident I know what next steps are needed in my process to continue on that path.
So glad he does these presentations for us!
Thanks Slats, cheers and all the best.
I don’t have a lot of high pressures cartridges I do have one 300 WSM and I’ve been very concerned about barrel life, so basically if I should heavier bullets a little bit slower it should last pretty good, I wanna say I really enjoyed your video, I really like how you explained it, and how you used down to earth terms, and didn’t use a bunch abbreviated words, i’ve seen several videos talking about this but you couldn’t understand what they were saying without doing a bunch of Google searches. I also break in rifles like you mentioned, thanks again
Thanks Man, and yes that seems to work for us, glad you liked, Cheers
Yet another beautifully articulated video. Very impressed and many thanks.
Cheers man, thanks
Years ago I always set bullet jump now I don't worry about it... you have great videos...
Thanks again man, all the best.
Some good info there. I shot at 600 yards once at Boggabri on a 35 Degree day and they mirage was something to be seen to be believed!!!!!! The heat simmer was making the targets seemingly wobble through the spotting scope. I ended up just watching the flags for my adjustments. Anyway that thing called Mirage is a crazy beast.
Thanks Mick, Cheers
Great video. I appreciate you sharing your knowledge and I am amazed at your equipment and abilities!
Thanks man, cheers
ANYBODY that knows you and doesn't absorb the knowledge that you have IS A DAMN FOOL!!! LOVE THE VIDEOS!!!!!
Thanks Shane, Cheers
Great info as always 👏
I just bought a Vanguard in 6.5-300 Wby Mag to use as a hunting rifle and people’s first reaction is usually some quip about how the barrel won’t outlast a box of bullets etc. I’ve started asking them how many barrels they’ve burned out in their shooting careers and haven’t found anyone yet who’s done it.
Yep, lol, Cheers
Great video, I've been shooting for many years but still learning. Thanks
Thanks Bob, Cheers
You know mark and sam, You videos are excellent and most infortmative, best on youtube. I support you guys in the way as I let the ads run right through, even thou I hate them. keep up the great work.
Thanks Man, not sure if watching the whole thing helps, I think they run on clicks, but thank you for the thought, Cheers
great info, thanks. I shoot PRS style matches and most of those you get no chance to really let the barrel cool so i'd say that is my problem. I just rebarreled my rifle and i did run 50 rounds of a light slow charge with more regular cleaning, trying to do a better job with break in, hoping this helps. thanks for your videos.
Thanks Paul, Cheers
Wasn’t aware Weatherby prefers jump - thanks for thenknowledge 😮. Have a Howa 1500 6.5 CM converted to 6 CM with a Bartlien barrel. Shooting 105gr’s the rifle shoots best up on the lands.
Great content as usual 👍
Thanks John, and yes how they where designed to get more speed, but as said, accuracy can be another thing, Cheers
I learn something new with every one of your videos I watch.
Awesome, Cheers
Fantastically interesting stuff, thanks!! The older bottleneck Weatherby info I found especially interesting...
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I have been working up a load for my Enfield. Was at the range today. My first 10 shot group was awesome with the COL of 3.075 " I shoot 10 shot groups and discard any flyers. 1.5 " group of 6 shots at 100 m with 180 grain round nose soft point. The rest of my targets using shorter COLs really sucked ... looked like buck shot patterns. It was cold today too since its winter time in Canada .
Sounds like you are getting it sorted, Cheers
Wow you answer everybody post. A class act.
We sure try to, Cheers
Love your videos. Oldie but goodie. Thank you. ❤
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I have heard (as Mark explained) rate of fire and heat is a big factor in barrel wear and never buy a semi auto used unless you can scope the bore. As a kid I had a 12 gauge semi auto and I loved to empty that thing as fast as possible, so I can understand the temptation!
Yep, Cheers
Great discussion/talk and som great points. Thank you.
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Your a legend. thank you for your and Sam’s hard work. Merry Christmas and best wishes for your next year.
Thanks Ash, glad you like this stuff, Merry Christmas to you and yours too, Cheers
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I think you've made it as "clear" 😁 as possible about mirage. I think most of the shooters are not really aware about the "diffraction/refraction" of light concept. As a graphic artist i know a bit about it and it helps me a lot with it. Good point as usual! Regards from France.
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Thanks Philippe, Cheers
Regarding the bullet jump, I think you were saying that you were changing the overall length to deal with magazine variation, but ended up finding that pressure changes due to the bullet jump helped or hurt accuracy (and as a byproduct barrel life). How were you measuring these things? I've played with bullets and charges, but am at a loss for testing bullet jump. Maybe you touched on it when talking about charge and bullet weight, but twist rate probably matters too. I'd love to hear an in depth discussion on the topic (or be pointed to what is likely an obvious resource).
Ah, well maybe watch again, all explained. As for testing bullet jump, simple as try a number of one jump v a number of another, or to ten different sets, the same as powder charge ladder testing, see the result (group size) and anything else it shows, not rocket science, Cheers
More great info Mark. One day when I visit Australia I'd love to sit down and have a beer with ya! Cheers!
Thanks Michael, Cheers
Interesting Mark, ill give it a blast. I fancy having a play with depths as I've always run almost touching.
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Long story short. Listen to this guy. The proof is in the pudding my friends 👍
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Actually the proof of the pudding is in the eating.
@@Aereaux I think there's been some pudding eaten too!
Mark:
I have a Howa 1500 in 22.250 Remington. After about 2000 rounds, there is visually obvious throat errosion. Is there a bullet/powder combination that will help reduce group size? I am now at 1moa and growing, it started out as 1/2 moa and consistent. I have been loading 34gr. H4895, and a 52gr. Hornady match bullet. I seat them to SAMMI length.
Keep up the good work!
Only suggestion I would make, is at some points in barrel life you can get gains out of another load development, just like your diet changes as you age, so can theirs, but then again that barrel might be done....Cheers
Great video Mark! Thanks for the info and keep the videos coming!
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Thanks Mark. You’re a great teacher.
Thanks J
Great video, as always.
As far as barrel wear goes, I've always thought it was basically a matter of bullet speed x round count x rest time between shots.
A hunting rifle that gets a 3-5 round zero check before the season and the remainder of that box spread out over a few months of hunting will last forever! On the other hand, the super-tactical-guys running 5-10 boxes of 223Rem through AR-15's per range trip will have barrel wear and other issues much sooner.
**Mark** At some point I'd like to get your take on what to look for, both pro and con, when buying used rifles (previously owned, for the expensive models, LOL!).
I know that's a huge topic so I'd ask you to focus on bolt actions since that's what you use on most of your videos.
Thanks!
Thanks Paul, glad you liked, cheers
Excellent information/advice. I learn a lot from you guys. Thanks.
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barrels are like motors; it's how you run em.
Yep, Cheers
Thanks mate I will try to slow down a little bit and see it if helps. I am sure it will. Cheer's
Thanks Edward, Cheers
Very educational.Absolutely terrific effort my maaaaan.Good to hear these things in laymans terms.
Thanks Man, Cheers
Very informative again, many thanks for sharing! I'm looking into getting a centerfire rifle sometime next year and any lessons I can learn up front will help. Greetings from the Netherlands!
Thanks John, Cheers
A great vid not many people have explained this that clearly I have tried to explain all of the points of this to people but I will now just send a link
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Any research on whether bullet jump has any effect on recoil? Logic tells me that a bullet engaging the rifling at ( some) speed due to bullet jump will have a slight effect of "pushing" the barrel (and therefore the whole rifle) slightly forward and thereby reducing recoil slightly. Not that recoil is a problem, to me it is part of the experience of firing a rifle and something I remember afterwards. Thanks for the presentation, very informative.
Not in any fashion I have noticed, but if you think about it, the difference would at best be very subtle as recoil is mainly from bullet acceleration down the barrel, so not really likely to notice something that helps with pressure at the start but doesn't really change bullet speed down the barrel, Cheers
Great info Mark. You explain the skill and science behind shooting cheers Mate.
cheers Albert
Are you in York Mark, as I am.
Yep
Very good, common sense advice. Takes the folklore out of barrel cleaning on break in. The other aspects of barrel wear were skipped a bit such as choosing calibres where you avoid long and wide powder columns for calibre. Eg a .243 will generally shoot out a barrel quicker than .308 because you're pushing a reltavely small but long bullet for cal at higher velocities than .308 yet using similar powder mass and column so similar energies spread over smaller barrel surface area which means faster throat erosion.
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Mark, i dont know if you remember the Berger VLD hybrid, they came in a whitish box and were not as sensitive to seating depth, they were a hunting bullet, have you seen them..as far as i know they stopped making them.. thanks
That is what most the new Berger Hybrid bullets are, but lots of little improvements over the years, Cheers
Interesting thank you very much for sharing do you by chance have a video out that you run through your break in procedure and overall maintenance thanks again
Hi, glad you like, yes there are some on the channel, nothing special and a while ago, might do another soon, Cheers
Little tiny comments...Aussie translation? ...nuggets of true wisdom. Thank you 'mate'...from the states, i.e. HUSKER NATION
Thanks Man, Cheers
I like watching your channel, I think you give shooters very good advice. As far as bullet jump, is it safe to assume a hand loader isn’t usually going to even have the option to load very close to the lands unless a heavy grain longer boat-tail type is used, because the bullet might practically be falling out of the neck of the case? I read somewhere that typically a person wants approx the dia of the bullet minimum seated in the case neck for proper bullet retention. I also was told that if your rifle uses detachable box magazine, you might not even be able to load cartridges in magazine and use with long C.O.A.L. when trying to load close to the lands. So is it safe to assume that if shooting a non match style bullet such as a regular flat based design hunting bullet, that trying to chase the lands is foolish and not going to gain any significant accuracy benefit, and that common 0.020- 0.040” off lands amount will usually produce very acceptable 1MOA 3 shot group accuracy when loaded correctly, say if the gun is advertised as a factory 1MOA rifle such as a Winchester mod 70 in .243 Win or .270 Win? Cheers from 🇺🇸
Thanks Mike, we have lots of videos discussing those topics and will do more, Cheers
thanks I find all your videos very informative
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Tbh i never knew nothing about mirage thanks for the info and it makes more sense now why some days split bullet holes and others 1 inch or worse i have seen it just never gave it a thought so thanks
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Again, thanks for sharing, invaluable for us, trying to learn :)
Cheers Oddur, Thanks
I’m sure your spot on Mark rate of fire is a big factor a barrel needs time to wash off some heat especially with big loads , I single feed so I don’t seem to have a problem Regards Steve .
Thanks Steve, all the best, Cheers
Hey partner I know this is an older video but I do have a question. I found that my parallax needed to be adjusted for a clear image when I was at the range as I increased my magnification and could no longer see clearly at 100M and 20x and up. the only way I can get a clear image on my black hound Optics 6 - 24 x50 was to increase the parallax and I found that my settings at 100 yards was closer to 125 according to the dial when using magnifications above 20. I try to Justin die after first
Parallax is not focus..... maybe check out our video on parallax, Cheers
Thanks for sharing your knowledge!
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I bought a Winchester Model 70 7mm Mag. I thought I was getting a decent deal on it, but it shoots TERRIBLE. I mentioned this to a friend who is a competition shooter. He said that sometimes guys will buy a 7mm Mag. and will take it out and pump a box of shells through it, and it will CRACK THE THROAT of the rifle. I ran a bore scope down it, and, sure enough, the throat is cracked. I'm in the process of getting it re-barreled :(
Yes, can happen, Cheers
One word….. freakin great video my friend. Oh that’s like 5 words. You Just earned a sub. Thank you. Look forward to the next one.
Lol, thanks Carlos
You 2 are AWESOME!!!
Cheers Dave, thanks
Great information. Thanks again.
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Really useful,well explained info cheers
thanks Joe, Cheers
I always check my barrels with an endoscopic cam. It's worth its price...
My 222 Rem has 2500/3000 rounds shot and is still running good!
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Around the 9-10 minute mark, you are talking about bullet jump and pressures. How exactly do you test pressure other than looking for deformities on the brass?
Well I am talking about pressure signs, primer, bolt lift, brass extraction, brass life, etc, etc, Cheers
@@markandsamafterwork thankyou sir and madam.
very informative video, well done.
Thanks man, Cheers
I’m running the 175gr berger elite hunter in my 7 Rem Mag. After watching your video I’m inclined to try shooting them as far as 75 thou off. I’m shooting them 20 thou off right now and it seems like ever 4th or fifth shot I see an ejector mark on my brass like I’m getting a pressure spike. Does this sound correct?
Well, could just be little too much powder, but worth a try, Cheers
MarkandSam AfterWork it’s just a very light ejector mark. So faint that you have to get it in the sunlight to see it. I’m only using 64.2gr of RL23 and according to berger load data I can go another .3 of a grain till I’m at max charge. I’ll giver her ago 70 thou off and see how she does. Thanks for replying and for posting great content on TH-cam!
@@scottvalleylongrange4878 Well keep in mind, not all chambers are the same, cheers
Excellent video!
Cheers man
Cheers for the info, I suffer from mirage I first thought it was my tired eyes until club member explained it and told me when I am ready to take the shot is to blow down the barrel just before pulling the trigger. I have a 243 on my licence but many tell me to change it to a 308 due to 243 barrel life compared to 308 what’s your thoughts on this
Not sure I can say anything more than said in the video, depends how you use it....Cheers
The chance of actually wearing out a barrel is unlikely. Changing to a 308 will cost more. Even if the throat does get eroded, sometimes seating the bullet out a bit can restore accuracy.
Fred Rutledge thanks I think I listen to too many 308 fans at my club , I was going to buy second hand rifle but think I would rather buy new even if I did change to 308 , at least I know the rifles history
Awesome information! Thanks for sharing 👍
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Excellent, concise and well presented. Great Info MarkandSam #Thumbsup..
Thanks Tim, Cheers
Berger recommends trying seating depths in bands of 30 or 40 thousandths.... 10 thou, 40, 70 thou,
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You made an confirmation bias assumption that Weatherby long seating depth is less accurate. And then turned around and said that a long seating depth works just fine. It makes more sense to me to let the bullet exit the soft brass case neck before it enters the rifling so that it is supported by the barrel Steel to swage into the rifling.
All in the how much, there is still too much is bad, all in the details.....Cheers
I have seen through the years that neck tension vs bullet jump always has neck tension as an important role. My limited experience tells me that if a hand loader is jamming his bullets, then neck tension is irrelevant. Neck tension is directly responsible for controlled start pressure. Well, doesn't jamming a bullet create manageable start pressure that neck tension would do? After all, jamming a bullet destroys your seating neck tension.
Well, not an ideal way to load, and although can even things, still can make a difference, Cheers
On your piece on barrel life I'd like to comment during the late 70's early 80's fox skins were in hight demand and everyone purchased a .17 rem .Unfortunately they also purchased several boxes of loaded rounds and proceeded to shoot the rifle in with these full velocity rounds, here in New England there were hundreds of these rifles bought by hunters and in those days I did a lot of bedding and tuning for these individual shootets and gun shops . The .17 rem ended up with a very bad reputation for accuracy and I at the time put this down to the way the barrels were run in .I believe that almost 50 PERCENT of these barrels were totally ruined in the first 100 rounds
Yes that sure can happen in those sort of situations, Cheers
Great stuff! Thanks
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More solid info. Thanks
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Thank you for the good info. I liked and subscribed!
Thanks Rich, Cheers
great video
Thanks Man
We don't see you using stainless steel barrels very often. Is there reason for this?
No, I use them but not fussed, no better or worse, normally coat them black anyway, Cheers
After barrel break in how often do you clean
Basic light wipe through every shoot, never scrub or solvent unless serious issues, Cheers
some good info thanks.
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Great video 👍👍
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Have you had a look a the new zero tech trace?
No, sorry, bit low on adjustment for our stuff, but happy to review if they would like to send a demo to use, Cheers
Barrels are consumables just like bullets, primers, cases and powder.
For some, yes, Cheers
Hi Guys is bullet jump the same as head space?
No, video explains bullet jump, head space is about the chamber to bolt face spacing
@@markandsamafterwork Cool thanks
Thank you!
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Refraction. It is like looking at a fish from the creek edge in a beautifully clear water. The fish is NOT located where you actually see it.
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The deceptive perception of a distant object is refraction correct!!!
Thanks for the information
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Interesting stuff !!!
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thanx, again
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Burning out a Barrel in one day..... Are they even aiming?
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I was looking for Warframe stuff but this is interesting
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The mirage I deal with comes from a hot barrel!
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Came here from kiwitedferny.
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Good stuff. Thanks!
Cheers Thom