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Correct me if Im wrong, but Japan and china also dont have the rule of common law as we see in the US and England but rather replace large portions of it with more extensive statutory law.
Hello Legal Eagle. Can you please make a Video about the O.J. Simpson Case?. I'd like you to explain if he can be tried again in a U.S. Federal Court given the new evidence that has been found and if his non guilty sentence can be appealed or nullified if the prosecution proves a misconduct or bribe received by a member of the jury back then in order to favor O.J. during his trial?, also can a person like O.J. still be tried even after his death?
Wright's name is to preserve the pun. Naruhodo is something like "I understand", so characters sometimes say stuff like "naruhodo, Naruhodo" "Isn't it right, Mr. Wright" is "close enough"
In similar fashion, “Ryu” is Dragon, Ryuichi is commonly translated to “first son of the dragon”. Phoenix is obviously based off of phoenixes. Both mythical creatures symbolize wisdom, and both are apart of the Four Symbols. What’s even better is that since Furio Tigre has tiger symbolisms, it makes him the perfect contrast to Phoenix (in the Japanese version at least), as tigers were feared by eastern dragons, and were also apart of the Four Symbols.
@@bashfulwolfo6499 Still works in the west given how often the Diamondbacks sweep the Tigers. The Diamondbacks come from Arizona, the capital of Arizona is Phoenix!
I look forward to a sequel to this at some point. Just imagine… Legal Eagle: “So, in the Japanese legal system, is the persecutor allowed to strike the judge with a whip?”
@@statboosts279 It should be irrelevant, as she should be dealing with the laws of the country she's in, but knowing how bonkers the Ace Attorney world is I wouldn't be surprised if there was some legal reason why only german women can use a whip in court against a judge. Or against an attorney. Or against everyone, really, she doesn't seem concerned with who's at the recieving end.
From what I’ve learned, Ace Attorney is a complete dystopia You’re not innocent until proven guilty. You’re not even guilty until proven innocent. You’re guilty until you can prove someone else did the crime.
Yeah; it's canonically set in "Japanifornia" just to highlight that it has no direct reference to the actual legal system of any nation, and obviously all the issues with the hybrid off-the-rails legal system are to justify the games and the investigation/argument mechanic. The anime comes way later in the media franchise as a nod to the players of the game, and this is why the whole thing is even weirder if anybody approaches the PW universe starting from the anime. I don't really see Devin playing the games anytime soon, though I'd probably watch him on twitch if this happens.
From what I've understood of the Ace Attorney universe, they *used* to have more sensible court trials, however due to the government wanting to cut corners on funding the justice system, they changed the system to a "guilty until proven innocent" system, as well as starting the trial the day immediately following the arrest, and with only three days to convince the judge. Basically, judges and prosecutors in this world are incentivized to pass a sentence as soon as possible, meaning that defense attorneys have to conduct their own investigations in between court hearings to find evidence to acquit their clients/figure out who the actual culprit is. It doesn't explain away every inaccuracy, but it does help explain some of why the show/game doesn't operate under traditional court rules.
It's due to the statue of limitations and 3 day rule Due to the massive amount of crime trials take place the day after the arrest and the judge must pass judgement by the end of the third trial day And if a case is unsolved after a certain amount of years the case is considered to have never happened
"You have to kill three people to earn the death penalty." Funnily enough, I think that's the exact amount of murders Dahlia Hawthorne is responsible for.
She's definitely responsible for two, and arguably up to four, but it might get fuzzier with Fawles and Armando, since while Armando was a definite murder /attempt/ he didn't actually die, just went into a coma, while Fawles offed himself with poison she's at least implied to have provided him. Probably Armando's attempted murder is what got her to three, though, since her involvement in Fawles's death would be pretty difficult to prove and kinda tangential even then. Still, idk if the court would make a distinction of "well you failed to actually kill one of your victims, so you've luckily escaped the death penalty on a technicality" or if two successful murders and one attempt where the long-term survival outcome of the victim is unclear but not looking great would be close enough.
Thing is, there are other murderers who are stated/heavily implied to have received the death penalty and who definitely didn't commit 3 murders - von Karma directly murdered Gregory Edgeworth and set up Hammond's murder but didn't do anything else, and Morgan "only" set up Grey's murder (I suppose she also planned to murder Misty, but that happened after she'd already been sentenced).
@@ZT1ST yup, it makes no sense to blackmail in public and yet she did it. And more ridiculous, it worked? She revealed the secret and yet he still did what she wanted in exchange for her not revealing the secret. And also, since she did it in public it would be very easy to convict her of blackmail. And worse, since his confession was the result of blackmail it could easily be argued to be invalid. If someone has a gun to your head and says “say ‘im guilty’” then you say “im guilty” that doesn’t count as evidence of your guilt
It depends. Actual legal definition of blackmail? I could see this going either way, and it would have to depend on whether the legal definition includes releasing evidence of real crimes the victim did, and/or the "benefit" for the perpetrator being the victim facing legal repercussions. Which brings me to the much more likely but still "it depends" part. It definitely qualifies as a form of extortion, if not forcing a confession (regardless of if the confession is true or not, using illegal means to compel it that violate their constitutional rights is not allowed.) Now, is this brought against the medium who is not a legal official in any capacity, and thus subject to more lenient penalties/laws, or is this brought against the (dead) prosecutor who being a legal official should be held to a higher legal standard when it comes to this kind of thing? Then you get into weeds like "interfering with an investigation", "withholding evidence", "defamation" because some jurisdictions don't have the requirement that the information disseminated be false, and/or whistleblower laws. All that said, I'm with the lawyers. The only reason I can think of for not eating the bribery/blackmail charges is it destroying his public image and livelihood in a way worse than a murder conviction, or it leading to an investigation into even worse crimes.
@@oldgus01 The victim being channeled is a dead defense lawyer, not a prosecutor, if it matters. That said, as I recall from the games (And maybe this was skimmed in the anime, I didn't get this far yet.), it's implied he's blackmailing the chief prosecutor at the time, as well as most of the defense lawyers out there (It's why Phoenix was Maya's defense lawyer for the case to begin with.); so he's in quite deep. Also, I think she implied there were politicians being blackmailed, so it was sort of a "Find yourself effectively in the position of the Boeing Whistleblower, or confess to the murder you did to try and cover up this stuff." choice for him.
@@ZT1ST fair, she's a defense lawyer. That said, this weird legal system requires specifically finding someone else guilty to prove a client innocent, so I feel like logically, the charge would be the same whether prosecutor or defense attorney. Ok, got it, legit litigation to extralegal execution threat maybe makes confessing to murder the safer option. Maybe.
the game is reaaally long though i recommend you watch the alternatives that are on youtube, made by lawyers who could stomach the length i also would love if he played instead of watched but devin aint like that
My mom (Japanese) and I used to enjoy watching Japanese tv crime drama. One pattern I noticed is that, when the suspect confronted with evidence by detective/reporter/lawyer (usually outside the judicial system) they always confessed committing the crime.
This is also something I noticed in Case Closed-- Not only would they confess, they would USUALLY have a fairly compelling reason for committing murder, or it would be an accident. To be fair I kinda prefer that over "I, the Greatest Detective Ever, am going to deduce exactly why you're a horrible person and recite your story at you".
@@HonestMagpie Absolutely! In Detective Conan it's always the bad guy that gets murdered, and a totally sympathetic person who did the murder. The double moral message of that show is "Don't be bad or you might get murdered" but also "A life well lived is the best revenge."
This is pretty widespread in western stuff too (e.g. Columbo, which heavily inspired ace attorney). It just makes for a more satisfying story resolution for someone to confess than to deny it to the end.
Part of this is the nature of the Japanese legal system that is less conflictual and more strives for harmony. 20 years ago when I lived there you had plenty of cases where really defense and prosecuting lawyers worked together to figure out what happened and defense attorneys work more to get the best deal for their clients give a guilty verdict than trying to cast guilt into doubt. Back then, there wasn’t any jury trials. So it makes sense that if there is no ability to refute it even in a drama, the suspect is instead going to realize trying to get the best plea deal is the only way to go. While I’m sure things have changed since I lived there (I haven’t kept up) but a legacy like that isn’t going to change fast.
Correct. Also his first name, Phoenix, was likely chosen as a parallel to the Japanese series title, "Gyakuten Saiban," which roughly means "Turnabout Courtroom." The phoenix, being a mythical bird capable of reviving from its own ashes, reflects the concept of a reversal or comeback conveyed by the word "Gyakuten" in the Japanese title.
I love that even Devin doesn't know what the "frilly neck thing" Miles wears is called, bc every time I see something like that I'm reminded of a moment I witnessed where someone called it a neck ruffle and another person got SO OFFENDED and just screamed IT'S A CRAVAT and now that lives in my head rent free.
I feel like most Japanese people are 'spiritual' (for a given definition) enough to just not rule out the possibility entirely. But it probably would be effectively treated as both bringing in a new witness (the victim) and potentially simultaneously count as material evidence submission by virtue of being dead like if you were to submit images of the body/an autopsy report. The latter part might be seen as a big faux pas just because, at least in America, there is consideration if certain articles of evidence might need to have a warning for the jury as graphic or grusome. And while there would be no physical body I guess, you're still bringing a dead person into a court room mid-trial with no preamble.
@@AzureSkyCiel TBF Mia isn't being presented to the court at all, neither as witness or evidence. The court still knows her as Maya Fey, yesterday's trial's defendant, who apparently suddenly aged 10 years and went through puberty during trial.
If I recall correctly, the Jurist System that was only used in the 4th Ace Attorney game, Apollo Justice: Ace Attorney, came about BECAUSE of the implementation of the Jurist System in the actual Japanese legal system.
I dunno I think the Barrister's Wig, plus the Ruffles, plus the Pin, plus a trained Attack Hamster would be the pinnacle of cool, and that combination completely falls apart without the Wig for some pretty obvious reasons.
The first Ace Attorney game actually predates the japanese jury system, and I know this because the fourth game in the series (Apollo Justice) largely revolved around the implementation of a jury system. It's not quite the same as the real world - these games always took place in the near future with a three-day trial system - but it was meant as a commentary on the real-world development.
The Great Ace Attorney does some pretty funny stuff with the absurd quirky foreign notion of having a jury. The jurors are pretty much always terrible people who either had wild biases or just want to go home and do something else.
16:59 "there's no analog for this in american culture at all!" SIR we have **plenty** of american TV shows about psychic crime solvers, including a **reality show** where "psychics/mediums" have been recruited by police officers to try to help solve actual cases.
I was thinking that was well. There are TONS of examples in American culture. So many examples that I can also think of pop culture parody examples like the USA Network comedy-drama “Psych” (that was a great show).
@@suntanironman Well, Psych is a fake psychic, so he's more akin to The Mentalist... using the tricks so called psychics use to solve crimes. But we do have Medium and The Ghost Whisperer, among others.
Glad you have a Japanese lawyer this time, since, although the enligh versions of the series wants to make it out like it's set in America, particularly in the later games, at it's core, especially the first trilogy, Ace Attorney is a satire of the Japanese legal system and therefore US legal system stuff does not apply to Ace Attorney.
It's always funny that they insist on localizing everything into American stuff as the games introducing more and more obviously Japanese-specific cultural elements into their stories and settings. It's like the devs are actively messing with the localization team.
@@SsnakeBiteThe devs tried to keep the first game easy to localize, then it wasn’t localized, so they put the japanese stuff back in. And then everything was localized again years later. In The Great Ace Attorney, they couldn’t bs their way into making it america, so they just made him naruhodo again
One of the cases they substitute the manufacturer's origin of a car that's clearly an American muscle car as being British so they can reverse the right hand drive, left hand drive plotline.
@@SsnakeBite I actually love that the localization team for Ace Attorney invented a "Japanifornia" alternate universe and that's the philosophy they use for localizing the series. It not only makes it accessible while still retaining a lot of the parody of the original, but it creates this delightful concept where the original Japanese game and the localization take place in different universes.
ngl, I'm genuinely shocked and impressed by the regionalisation in the Ace Attourney games. The most recent one - mostly set in Victorian London - has some incredibly dense wordplay and British slang. I always wondered if the translation was a nightmare but now I'm wondering if they just make it up as they go along.
That one was harder because of so much cultural and historical nuances.That's part of why it took so long because they tried to keep it faithful. They even got some of the class nuances of racism correct. Ie depending on the station of who they were speaking to and based on the personalities, the racism would come through in different ways, some more subtle than others.
@@ilikedota5 - Fair, it must've been a nightmare, but as a Brit, it is pretty much spot on. Never thought window tax would be a significant plot point in a murder mystery.
The ace attorney game localizations, in general, are mind-blowingly good. The scriptwriters are incredible at substituting weird puns and jokes with similar ones that work in english. Translating wordplay is the final boss of localization scripting.
There's a blog post from Janet Hsu the localization director, about the recording of the cutscenes for TGAA, and not only is the writing fantastic, the translators somehow managed to write a script where the waveforms for the English audio matched up almost exactly with the Japanese audio to mimimize editing in the animation. I almost couldn't believe it! The quality of work here in the localization department set a high bar for the industry
@@octochan - That is legit shocking. I know it's common for Japanese to English translations of visual novels to be difficult, because it's usually a case of filling the same number of text boxes rather than being 100% faithful. So sometimes they can be a bit repetitive and weird.
Finally a reaction video that is not made with only an US Lawyer to react a parody of the Japanese legal system. Thank you for having the idea of featuring a Japanese lawyer as well.
As a Brit, the Phoenix Wright courtroom looks more like the House of Commons, all oak panels and an adversarial design, is this based off something older?
The original game was made in 1998 and was meant to be set in modern times (or a near future in localization), but I think the look of the courtroom and Edgeworth's frill are deliberate allusions to older british legal traditions.
I think it's more an out, so the game can take a wacky twist at the end of the trial. Someone was mentioning that the creator is actually a defense lawyer who made the game to ape how ridiculous and unfair the Japanese legal system is. I imagine the channeling is just in keeping with the escalating nonsense.
I thought the same thing. Not sure if that is indeed the case, but anyway, that movie is a masterpiece, and the short stories of Akutagawa Ryûnosuke which inspired it as well.
I think the lawyer pin is a great idea, that way if you are disbarred, the chair of the committee gets to remove it like... "You're a disgrace to the practice, Mr Giuliani. You are henceforth a lawyer... * _rips the pin off_ * ...NO LONGER!"
Why not give them a bar that looks like the pendulum of the scales of justice, they could wear it like a mantle behind their shoulders, sure it would make using your arms difficult but it would be "classy" you could even use different metals for senority, bronze for new lawer silver for 10 years gold for 20 and diamond crusted for 30, then just get more ostentatious from there
Complete with holding it dramatically in the air for a few seconds without twitching a muscle. For extra style points, they should have an LED and a tiny button, so during the pause, they can make Mr Giuliani's former pin twinkle.
Mr. Mitsui missed that Phoenix Wright and Naruhodo Ryuichi make sense as loose translations of each other. A Phoenix is a bird borne of fire. "Ryuichi" directly translates as "son of dragon." So there's similarity there. "Naruhodo" means "I see" or "I understand" in a conversational context. Similar to the English conversational use of "right."
I was wondering about that too! Ryuichi is a popular character name. And they usually have dragon motif or references. Changing the name to Phenix was a fun and clever choice
19:40 They straight up explain why it's relevant. It's due to Redd White placing the wiretap on the Law Office phone a week or two before the murder, and during that time, he claims to have seen the glass light stand during that time, and with the evidence of the receipt, it couldn't have been possible for him to do so, since the light stand wasn't in the office until a few days ago. Which means he either lied about placing the wiretap or when he placed it, but the answer is obviously the former
If I recall, he didn't lie about placing the wiretap, since he: Knew the layout to the office Wouldn't be able to figure out that layout in the dark and while in a rush to kill someone and steal evidence
If Devin ever wants to react to a slightly more realistic depiction of Japanese courts, there's the game "Judgment." It's part of the Yakuza / Like A Dragon series, but it focuses on a lawyer-detective and includes quite a bit of courtroom drama.
There is actually very little drama in Japanese criminal court. The conviction rate is 99.9%, because the prosecutors only charge people they are confident will be convicted and the judges essentially presume guilt, because admitting the prosecution could have been wrong could lessen the trust in the system. There are testimonies of former judges who would send people for the death penalty despite knowing they were innocent, just for the fear of standing out.
@@_Mercival_ That's actually a point that's brought up very early in the series. I would also say that the courtroom drama isn't all that much, it's more of a breather set-piece in between the lawyer going out and fighting.
@@_Mercival_ So they condemn innocent people to death and murder them out of cowardice in the Japanese legal system? While the actual criminals remain in the public knowingly?
Learning that Japanese attorneys do not slam their palms on their desk and holler "OBJECTION!" so loud that action lines appear behind them is the most heartbreaking thing I've heard all day.
Actually in the ending of apollo justice (which is ace attorney 4) the names Wright and Naruhodo are used in very similar puns. In the English translation a person says "right" as in "i see/no wonder" when talking about the protagonist.
Also part of the reason he is called Phoenix is a reference to Ryuuichi containing the kanji for dragon! Ace Attorney puns (both in JP and EN) run DEEP and tbh the localisers did so much work making this series translate to an English speaking audience.
Love ace attorney, and really enjoyed the combo of lawyer reacts and learning about another country’s legal system! Would love to see another episode!!
“He who serves as his own counsel has a fool for a lawyer and a jackass for a client” (Abraham Lincoln? The question mark is because my research was a little ambiguous but site The Cincinnati Enquirer as attributing it to Lincoln)
18:20 In the games, since testimonies are divided into chunks during cross-examination, the attorney has the option to choose which specific statement in the testimony they wish to object to. However, in cases where the initial testimony seems vague or unclear, the attorney may also choose to "Press" a statement, in which they simply ask the withess for further elaboration/clarification on that specific part. Normally this is just used to either make which statement to object to more obvious from a gameplay perspective, or (which happens more usually) have the witness *append* their testimony if new information is brought about from the elaboration, which is done in the form of another statement being added to the testimony for cross-examination, which is usually always the statement that does contain the contradiction. And yes, the act of pressing normally has the attorney shout "HOLD IT!". I'm personally curious about the realism of pressing the witness's testimony because in the games thanks to the stigma against defense attorneys (which is a real-world issue in Japan) the court does not look favorably on this tendency of theirs and compare it to badgering the witness. Do real-life courtroom procedures have similar restrictions as well?
Lol I remember the last time he did Ac attorney the comments were flooded with "that's because it's in japan" I feel like this is 100 percent a response to that
8:20 - 8:38 THANK YOU FOR HIM TO POINT THAT OUT! I remember watching the gameplay for this case, and seeing White mentioned that, it made me think to the point of "Is that even physically possible? Can you really hear a hit so loud from like the hotel room when the murder took place in the office." And finally, someone said it was odd
Next time you can get really weird, have Matsui on, and also get a British lawyer and/or an English history professor to review cases from The Great Ace Attorney.
13:07 You actually can object during your own cross examination. It's not common, or advisable, but if the witness begins to veer off in an unwanted direction, you can object like you could if you weren't examining the witness.
There was a recent show about a Korean lawyer, Extraordinary Attorney Woo, that might make for a cool discussion of the RoK legal system and probably Moby-Dick.
He'd need a Korean a lawyer for that, though... The legal systems are different... There are quite a few British shows he could tackle as well if he could get a British lawyer.
Interesting, this was all very informative. As an Ace Attorney fan, I also got WAY more giddy at seeing the pin on Mr. Matsui's lapel than I perhaps should have, due to how much prominence is put on badges in the Ace Attorney community. xD However, I do want to say that I heard that Ace Attorney cases are based on an older Japanese legal system that has long-since been revamped and modernized (though obviously, still greatly exaggerated and different for sake of raising the excitement and tension and to save time in some cases). This mostly stems from the fact that the central plotline of one of the games is the reformation of the court system, and I've heard that that event is based on the actual courtroom reformations done in Japan. Do you all know if that's actually true or not? That game is Apollo Justice. But I suppose the Japanese title is just "Gyakuten Saiban 4" and I believe it came out about 16-17 years ago? I noticed that article that got brought up at 11:31 mentioned something along those lines, but a more detailed answer is something I've been really eager to find out for years. xD
1) The courtroom is sublimed from period piece British cinema. So is the "frilly" look of the Prosecutor- artistic license used to promote a setting, a mood. It almost shouts: "this is a high class place, dattebayo!" 2) Channeling the spirits of the deceased in court is a holdover from ancient times when it was done by priests or onmyoji. This custom is given a nod in Kurosawa's immortal Roshomon- a movie about a Sengoku Jidai high profile murder trial. If you haven't seen it, I highly recommend it.
4:59 In Chapter 5 of the game (originally the games final chapter) Maya is accused of Contempt of Court for speaking out of line and is removed, which, as far as I know, is the one and only time this happens lol
I almost want to see this again, but with a Japanese /Law historian/, because the original games were written around 2001-2004 and were specifically written as satires of the legal system at the time. This comes to mind, because Matsui mentions Japan having a jury system like America's-- but Apollo Justice -the fourth game-, which released in America in 2008, was (or so I've heard) originally was written in part to advertise the jury system they were just about to test in Japan. It's possible the legal system was a little more like this back then. Barring the necessary anime tropes of course. This is a really fun way to discuss Ace Attorney. :)❤
P.W. Ace Attorney is purely a joke/for fun kinda legal game with no basis in reality. But it's still funny to see both an American AND a Japanese lawyer equally confused by basically everything they're seeing here. But it's cool you brought in a Japanese lawyer this time, as last time you did say you knew nothing about Japanese law.
bruh it's not hard to find artists, just post on the community tab, x, bluesky, tiktok, insta, whatever platform, and ask. then go through the list and commission whoever fits the style & price the best. big channels have budgets, don't they?
It's so disappoinmting especially considering he's a lawyer and has talked about the legal and ethical problems with it before... And yet he uses it himself -_-
I was really active in the ace attorney community years ago, and there were many, many artists that specialize in the aa art style in particular. I can only imagine that the community has grown since then ... I hope that this is just a disconnect between him and the person in charge of editing and thumbnails because maaan 😭 why you gotta do that
Maybe he just wanted to go with this art style? Or maybe the artist that did it is an artist trying to come up? I feel like it's kinda weird to get upset because he didn't go with artists that have a higher price for commissions, not saying that no one should commission these artists, I think all artists deserve to get work and recognition but it's also up to the creator to choose whatever person they want to/can work with, we aren't apart of the content making process so we don't know what's going on bts, we shouldn't shit on whoever did the art in the intro and shit on the channel (creator and team) just cause the art wasn't up to a certain quality standard.
17:15 the idea of questioning a medium has come up in America before, police has done so and it happened a few times in court to afaik so culturally speaking its not completely alien but the idea of directly transforming into a deceased person is really far out there.
As other people have already said it is important to know ace attorney is a parody of the older japanese law system when evidence could just be witheld and brought out at any moment to surprise the other side. So i think that is important for Devon to know.
i have a slight objection to your video ace attorney anime is based of of the phoenix wright ace attorney video game that released in 2002 trial by jury was not reintroduced to japan until 2009 so the judge would likley have given the verdict as is seen in the anime and game (probably less immediatly) as they didnt have a jury system at the time
Legal Eagle reviews the legality of Neo Queen Serenity executing several members of the Black Moon Clan without trial. Be prepared to be shocked, either by his reasoning or Jupiter's Supreme Thunder.
I mean, I haven't heard of any Crystal Parliament, nor any Silver Millenium Magna Carta, so I'm pretty sure she's an absolute monarch, and thus the law is what she says it is.
@@coyoteseattle Most dictators act either with a lot of luxury and a carefree attitude, or get really paranoid after a while. If anything, Chibiusa was a threat as the only one more legitimate than she was to the throne and if installed as queen she would have been easy to control as a child, so a dictator would probably put some pretty tight restrictions on that sort of stuff as Catherine II of Russia can demonstrate.
22:30 One thing that Matsui is missing out here is that the backlash you'd get from the media and the society, plus possible lawsuits for damages by the blackmail victims. And also yakuza. But then again, this guy might be investigated for that as well, so maybe he pleaded guilty in hope for sentence reduction.
You know what’s not the same? The 99.9% conviction rate in Japan. Either they only move forward with cases where they are sure they will be able to convict, or the legal system is heavily tilted in favor of the prosecution, or maybe the police is a bit to cozy with the prosecution, or a mix of all of the above.
It's mostly the former. IIRC, only about 30% of cases go to court at all. Anything less than perfect evidence generally isn't prosecuted. Which is actually satirized in the game, as the prosecutors regularly gush about the airtightness of their case and the pointlessness of defense. Along with their bragging about their "perfect 100% conviction rate." Which is a lot easier to achieve if you don't try to prosecute anything but the strongest cases.
9:39 this is actually really interesting, as The Great Ace Attorney chronicles (a spinoff series that basically sends the characters back in time) takes place in Britain while you play as a Japanese lawyer and there is actually 6 jurors, all the while the characters who are British rant about how much better their judicial system is That's actually the Japanese style, ported to Britain, alongside a Japanese lawyer while the British claim it's theirs. That makes my brain hurt just enough to exist in the legal sphere so I thought I should mention it
It's worth pointing out that in the original trilogy none of the perpetrators get a guilty verdict within the same trial. There is a separate trial after that using the previous trial as evidence to convict them (which isn't hard when they literally confessed the whole thing on the witness stand!).
13:11 In fairness, in the game series, when you interrupt the witness, Pheonix says "Hold it!" rather than "Objection!" so this is a mistake the Anime writers have made on their own 😅
Ooh, ooh, this was so fun. I got an idea of another thing you can review with Matsui-san. There is a fun Japanese movie I watched back in a Japanese class: ステキな金縛り Suteki na Kanashibari, also known as "A Ghost of a Chance," or "Once In a Blue Moon" in English. It's a comedy court drama about having a ghost be a witness in a trial. I think you would have a good time reviewing that movie because it struck me as having some good legally realistic points, as much of the comedy was based the premise of navigating the rules of a courtroom to allow for this ghost's testimony. For example, there is a scene long before the trial starts where the main character must formally submit information about the witness she is going to call to the stand - the ghost. She had to figure out how she could take a picture of the ghost, etc. Just the fact that a court drama would include those kinds of pre-trial procedures as an important part of the story I think is very cool.
1:55 I know they didn’t say it with the same inflection and it was complete coincidence, but when Devin said “so small” and then Koichiro followed up with “so small” I instantly got taken to the South Park Chinpokomon episode
8:20 After living on the 9th floor of an apartment building for a year, I believe this is totally plausible. I hear all kinds of noise from the street and alley next to my building, and often hear drums from local bands playing at the bar on the street corner, and there's an alley AND a row of buildings between me and that bar. So hearing a crashing sound from an opposing window in an apartment, I could believe that.
This episode of Legal Eagle was very different and fun to watch. PLEASE can you do the same with an episode of EXTRAORDINARY ATTORNEY WOO from South Korea. It is an excellent show on it's own but it would be great to hear about the legal aspects and the differences between American and South Korean justice.
Approximately 40 states allow courts to charge for the use of a public defender, acting as an additional punishment for those who cannot afford to pay.
Suggestion for the follow up: Anatomy of a Fall with a Real French lawyer. After all it is the biggest courtroom drama in years. Bonus points if you can get Messi the dog in there.
In Japan, the lawyers are at the front and the gallery is at the rear of the courtroom. I’ve seen drama shows regarding this; from the already outdated T.V channel Wakuwaku Japan.
“Oh you just need a majority vote to convict, and also the judges make up a third of the vote.” I’m starting to understand why Japan has such a high conviction rate now.
The Japanese legal system seems to push hard for confessions rather than trials, using social pressures to make people confess, they also have something called 'suspension of prosecution' which basically means they can put the case on hold until more evidence, or that confession, turns up before actually prosecuting. Its why only something like 8% of cases actually go to trial, lawyers don't want to damage their reputations by pushing forward cases that they could potentially lose. I'm not in a position to say if its better or worse system than in other countries, the idea of pressuring someone to confess so they do not put their family through the shame of a draw on investigation really does not sit right with me, but its basically the same as somewhere like America were they use the economic pressures of a defense to achieve the same thing.
And the other six people aren't jurors, they are treated as lay judges. That is, they deliberate on questions of law with the professional judges, despite having no legal training. Must make legal rulings wonderfully consistent. Also, the judges (3 professional and 6 lay, remember) can also ask questions of witnesses. Which makes raising an objection problematic, since the lawyers are then asking the judges to rule against own question. Oh, and they also decide sentencing. So to summarize, the nine judges (six of whom are ordinary citizens) are triers of law, triers of fact, examine and gather evidence, decide on guilt AND decide on sentencing. "Separation of powers" and "conflict of interest"? Never heard of them.
Did come across this video by accident while rewatching the first lawyer review of 2018. Love the idea to have a Japanse lawyer this time around to have to see the difference between the Japanese and US law system.
It's intriguing to examine the "Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney" series through the lens of real-world lawyering. This also brings to light the unique cultural intricacies underlying the Japanese legal system.
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Correct me if Im wrong, but Japan and china also dont have the rule of common law as we see in the US and England but rather replace large portions of it with more extensive statutory law.
fuka ! 🤣
Hello Legal Eagle. Can you please make a Video about the O.J. Simpson Case?. I'd like you to explain if he can be tried again in a U.S. Federal Court given the new evidence that has been found and if his non guilty sentence can be appealed or nullified if the prosecution proves a misconduct or bribe received by a member of the jury back then in order to favor O.J. during his trial?, also can a person like O.J. still be tried even after his death?
@@JoelQuintero3-lm5ij Bruh he's a corpse.
Posthumous trials are illegal.
Wright's name is to preserve the pun.
Naruhodo is something like "I understand", so characters sometimes say stuff like "naruhodo, Naruhodo"
"Isn't it right, Mr. Wright" is "close enough"
In similar fashion, “Ryu” is Dragon, Ryuichi is commonly translated to “first son of the dragon”. Phoenix is obviously based off of phoenixes.
Both mythical creatures symbolize wisdom, and both are apart of the Four Symbols.
What’s even better is that since Furio Tigre has tiger symbolisms, it makes him the perfect contrast to Phoenix (in the Japanese version at least), as tigers were feared by eastern dragons, and were also apart of the Four Symbols.
@@bashfulwolfo6499 Still works in the west given how often the Diamondbacks sweep the Tigers. The Diamondbacks come from Arizona, the capital of Arizona is Phoenix!
@@bashfulwolfo6499 LIKE A DRAGON?
I look forward to a sequel to this at some point. Just imagine…
Legal Eagle: “So, in the Japanese legal system, is the persecutor allowed to strike the judge with a whip?”
I’d like to see that.
Franziska is German so we'll need a third legal opinion
@@statboosts279 I need them to start assembling more lawyers like some kind of legal reaction video power rangers
@@statboosts279 In the original Japanese apparently she was raised in America.
@@statboosts279 It should be irrelevant, as she should be dealing with the laws of the country she's in, but knowing how bonkers the Ace Attorney world is I wouldn't be surprised if there was some legal reason why only german women can use a whip in court against a judge. Or against an attorney. Or against everyone, really, she doesn't seem concerned with who's at the recieving end.
From what I’ve learned, Ace Attorney is a complete dystopia
You’re not innocent until proven guilty. You’re not even guilty until proven innocent. You’re guilty until you can prove someone else did the crime.
kinda like the real japanese system 😬
Furthermore, you only have 3 days to do it. Also the defense attorney regularly has to find evidence themselves.
So it IS America.
I mean, Japan has a 99.8% conviction rate
Yeah; it's canonically set in "Japanifornia" just to highlight that it has no direct reference to the actual legal system of any nation, and obviously all the issues with the hybrid off-the-rails legal system are to justify the games and the investigation/argument mechanic. The anime comes way later in the media franchise as a nod to the players of the game, and this is why the whole thing is even weirder if anybody approaches the PW universe starting from the anime. I don't really see Devin playing the games anytime soon, though I'd probably watch him on twitch if this happens.
"You don't scream in court" is the Japanese version of "the bailiff will tackle you" 🤣🤣
Many such cases.
From what I've understood of the Ace Attorney universe, they *used* to have more sensible court trials, however due to the government wanting to cut corners on funding the justice system, they changed the system to a "guilty until proven innocent" system, as well as starting the trial the day immediately following the arrest, and with only three days to convince the judge. Basically, judges and prosecutors in this world are incentivized to pass a sentence as soon as possible, meaning that defense attorneys have to conduct their own investigations in between court hearings to find evidence to acquit their clients/figure out who the actual culprit is.
It doesn't explain away every inaccuracy, but it does help explain some of why the show/game doesn't operate under traditional court rules.
Another point that sticks out is the No Jury/Only Evidence bit, which is a plot point in Ace Attorney 4.
It's due to the statue of limitations and 3 day rule
Due to the massive amount of crime trials take place the day after the arrest and the judge must pass judgement by the end of the third trial day
And if a case is unsolved after a certain amount of years the case is considered to have never happened
"You have to kill three people to earn the death penalty."
Funnily enough, I think that's the exact amount of murders Dahlia Hawthorne is responsible for.
well she did get ...
@@AZR-AZR yes. She did indeed.
Ace Attorney is very realistic now
She's definitely responsible for two, and arguably up to four, but it might get fuzzier with Fawles and Armando, since while Armando was a definite murder /attempt/ he didn't actually die, just went into a coma, while Fawles offed himself with poison she's at least implied to have provided him. Probably Armando's attempted murder is what got her to three, though, since her involvement in Fawles's death would be pretty difficult to prove and kinda tangential even then. Still, idk if the court would make a distinction of "well you failed to actually kill one of your victims, so you've luckily escaped the death penalty on a technicality" or if two successful murders and one attempt where the long-term survival outcome of the victim is unclear but not looking great would be close enough.
Thing is, there are other murderers who are stated/heavily implied to have received the death penalty and who definitely didn't commit 3 murders - von Karma directly murdered Gregory Edgeworth and set up Hammond's murder but didn't do anything else, and Morgan "only" set up Grey's murder (I suppose she also planned to murder Misty, but that happened after she'd already been sentenced).
Follow-up question about screaming in courtroom: Can you scream a little bit if a ghost throws an object at you?
Like the Scoleri brothers?
love this question out of context
If a ghost that you can see, throws an object at you, my suggestion is to dodge first. Scream later if you must, just sayin'
You can have a little scream, as a treat.
Very good @rgs8970. Short comment, but pointless.
I’m surprised they didn’t talk about how she just blackmailed the dude in court, and the blackmail was a list of who he had blackmailed.
Did she blackmail him? It seemed like it was more out in the open than most attempts at blackmailing people that are depicted in media.
@@ZT1ST yup, it makes no sense to blackmail in public and yet she did it. And more ridiculous, it worked? She revealed the secret and yet he still did what she wanted in exchange for her not revealing the secret. And also, since she did it in public it would be very easy to convict her of blackmail.
And worse, since his confession was the result of blackmail it could easily be argued to be invalid. If someone has a gun to your head and says “say ‘im guilty’” then you say “im guilty” that doesn’t count as evidence of your guilt
It depends.
Actual legal definition of blackmail? I could see this going either way, and it would have to depend on whether the legal definition includes releasing evidence of real crimes the victim did, and/or the "benefit" for the perpetrator being the victim facing legal repercussions.
Which brings me to the much more likely but still "it depends" part. It definitely qualifies as a form of extortion, if not forcing a confession (regardless of if the confession is true or not, using illegal means to compel it that violate their constitutional rights is not allowed.) Now, is this brought against the medium who is not a legal official in any capacity, and thus subject to more lenient penalties/laws, or is this brought against the (dead) prosecutor who being a legal official should be held to a higher legal standard when it comes to this kind of thing?
Then you get into weeds like "interfering with an investigation", "withholding evidence", "defamation" because some jurisdictions don't have the requirement that the information disseminated be false, and/or whistleblower laws.
All that said, I'm with the lawyers. The only reason I can think of for not eating the bribery/blackmail charges is it destroying his public image and livelihood in a way worse than a murder conviction, or it leading to an investigation into even worse crimes.
@@oldgus01 The victim being channeled is a dead defense lawyer, not a prosecutor, if it matters.
That said, as I recall from the games (And maybe this was skimmed in the anime, I didn't get this far yet.), it's implied he's blackmailing the chief prosecutor at the time, as well as most of the defense lawyers out there (It's why Phoenix was Maya's defense lawyer for the case to begin with.); so he's in quite deep.
Also, I think she implied there were politicians being blackmailed, so it was sort of a "Find yourself effectively in the position of the Boeing Whistleblower, or confess to the murder you did to try and cover up this stuff." choice for him.
@@ZT1ST fair, she's a defense lawyer. That said, this weird legal system requires specifically finding someone else guilty to prove a client innocent, so I feel like logically, the charge would be the same whether prosecutor or defense attorney.
Ok, got it, legit litigation to extralegal execution threat maybe makes confessing to murder the safer option. Maybe.
I would like to see LegalEagle play the actual game not just watching the anime show.
Yes that would be awesome
He could see why the story is structured the way it is.
That would be so dope.
the game is reaaally long though
i recommend you watch the alternatives that are on youtube, made by lawyers who could stomach the length
i also would love if he played instead of watched but devin aint like that
Same. I would love to hear his thoughts and commentary.
My mom (Japanese) and I used to enjoy watching Japanese tv crime drama. One pattern I noticed is that, when the suspect confronted with evidence by detective/reporter/lawyer (usually outside the judicial system) they always confessed committing the crime.
This is also something I noticed in Case Closed-- Not only would they confess, they would USUALLY have a fairly compelling reason for committing murder, or it would be an accident.
To be fair I kinda prefer that over "I, the Greatest Detective Ever, am going to deduce exactly why you're a horrible person and recite your story at you".
they do that in Kindaichi Case Files too haha, though the murderer usually puts up a fight until the detective shows exactly how they did it
@@HonestMagpie Absolutely! In Detective Conan it's always the bad guy that gets murdered, and a totally sympathetic person who did the murder. The double moral message of that show is "Don't be bad or you might get murdered" but also "A life well lived is the best revenge."
This is pretty widespread in western stuff too (e.g. Columbo, which heavily inspired ace attorney). It just makes for a more satisfying story resolution for someone to confess than to deny it to the end.
Part of this is the nature of the Japanese legal system that is less conflictual and more strives for harmony. 20 years ago when I lived there you had plenty of cases where really defense and prosecuting lawyers worked together to figure out what happened and defense attorneys work more to get the best deal for their clients give a guilty verdict than trying to cast guilt into doubt. Back then, there wasn’t any jury trials.
So it makes sense that if there is no ability to refute it even in a drama, the suspect is instead going to realize trying to get the best plea deal is the only way to go.
While I’m sure things have changed since I lived there (I haven’t kept up) but a legacy like that isn’t going to change fast.
5:41 For Wright, the pun is that "Naruhodou" means "Understood", so they went with "Wright" (Right).
I know in Overlord every other line Demiurge speaks, is "Naruhodou".
Which I love. This is the difference between localization and direct translation.
@@raithnor6007 And the other lines are "sasuga, Ainz-sama"
It's more "I see" than "understood", but yeah.
Correct. Also his first name, Phoenix, was likely chosen as a parallel to the Japanese series title, "Gyakuten Saiban," which roughly means "Turnabout Courtroom." The phoenix, being a mythical bird capable of reviving from its own ashes, reflects the concept of a reversal or comeback conveyed by the word "Gyakuten" in the Japanese title.
I love that even Devin doesn't know what the "frilly neck thing" Miles wears is called, bc every time I see something like that I'm reminded of a moment I witnessed where someone called it a neck ruffle and another person got SO OFFENDED and just screamed IT'S A CRAVAT and now that lives in my head rent free.
It's a Jabot :)
17:30 I like how Matsui implies the faux pas isn't spirit channeling, but doing so during the court proceeding specifically.
Nothing illegal about channeling the victim. Just cant interupt the court lol
I feel like most Japanese people are 'spiritual' (for a given definition) enough to just not rule out the possibility entirely. But it probably would be effectively treated as both bringing in a new witness (the victim) and potentially simultaneously count as material evidence submission by virtue of being dead like if you were to submit images of the body/an autopsy report. The latter part might be seen as a big faux pas just because, at least in America, there is consideration if certain articles of evidence might need to have a warning for the jury as graphic or grusome. And while there would be no physical body I guess, you're still bringing a dead person into a court room mid-trial with no preamble.
@@AzureSkyCiel TBF Mia isn't being presented to the court at all, neither as witness or evidence. The court still knows her as Maya Fey, yesterday's trial's defendant, who apparently suddenly aged 10 years and went through puberty during trial.
@@bahamut9203 I don't know if the judge sees her as Mia or Maya.
@@marhawkman303canonically they can see her, but that doesn't mean they're paying a lot of attention
If I recall correctly, the Jurist System that was only used in the 4th Ace Attorney game, Apollo Justice: Ace Attorney, came about BECAUSE of the implementation of the Jurist System in the actual Japanese legal system.
Correct. The jurist system in AJ: AA was the writer’s take on the real life jurist system so yeah
Inspiration was all he took from it, iirc. He just thought it was interesting~
I agree the pin is way cooler than a barrister's wig. ANYTHING is cooler than a barrister's wig.
I dunno I think the Barrister's Wig, plus the Ruffles, plus the Pin, plus a trained Attack Hamster would be the pinnacle of cool, and that combination completely falls apart without the Wig for some pretty obvious reasons.
Would the pin then be "date"?
Cat ears. Replace the wig with cat ears. 😼
@@Kaede-Sasaki 👍
@ComfyDoggos man I wish they were cheap. I need to buy mine in the next few months and oh dear 😭😭 almost as bad as Inn membership 😵
“He only kills one person, so no.” Haha he said it so nonchalantly
The first Ace Attorney game actually predates the japanese jury system, and I know this because the fourth game in the series (Apollo Justice) largely revolved around the implementation of a jury system. It's not quite the same as the real world - these games always took place in the near future with a three-day trial system - but it was meant as a commentary on the real-world development.
"Guilty Until Proven Innocent" is the foundation of what the Ace Attorney games are satirizing
Not to mention that the law system is supposed to be insanely corrupt in this world
The Great Ace Attorney does some pretty funny stuff with the absurd quirky foreign notion of having a jury. The jurors are pretty much always terrible people who either had wild biases or just want to go home and do something else.
@@leetri And whats it like in Ace Attorneys world 😜
@@Hurricayne92 Zing! Ha ha, reality makes me sad sometimes...
16:59 "there's no analog for this in american culture at all!"
SIR we have **plenty** of american TV shows about psychic crime solvers, including a **reality show** where "psychics/mediums" have been recruited by police officers to try to help solve actual cases.
I was thinking that was well. There are TONS of examples in American culture. So many examples that I can also think of pop culture parody examples like the USA Network comedy-drama “Psych” (that was a great show).
Yeah I watch true crime shows and for older cases maybe in half of them the police goes to a psychic 😂 that’s not hard evidence obviously but still
@@suntanironman Well, Psych is a fake psychic, so he's more akin to The Mentalist... using the tricks so called psychics use to solve crimes. But we do have Medium and The Ghost Whisperer, among others.
@@Axterix13 Yea, I know. That’s why I said “parody examples”.
The show “psych” also was a comedy but it ran for many seasons
Glad you have a Japanese lawyer this time, since, although the enligh versions of the series wants to make it out like it's set in America, particularly in the later games, at it's core, especially the first trilogy, Ace Attorney is a satire of the Japanese legal system and therefore US legal system stuff does not apply to Ace Attorney.
It's always funny that they insist on localizing everything into American stuff as the games introducing more and more obviously Japanese-specific cultural elements into their stories and settings. It's like the devs are actively messing with the localization team.
@@SsnakeBiteThe devs tried to keep the first game easy to localize, then it wasn’t localized, so they put the japanese stuff back in. And then everything was localized again years later. In The Great Ace Attorney, they couldn’t bs their way into making it america, so they just made him naruhodo again
One of the cases they substitute the manufacturer's origin of a car that's clearly an American muscle car as being British so they can reverse the right hand drive, left hand drive plotline.
@@SsnakeBite I actually love that the localization team for Ace Attorney invented a "Japanifornia" alternate universe and that's the philosophy they use for localizing the series. It not only makes it accessible while still retaining a lot of the parody of the original, but it creates this delightful concept where the original Japanese game and the localization take place in different universes.
Eat your hamburgers, Apollo.
You can tell that it's a legal drama and not a documentary. But it's still SO SATISFYING to play the game.
ngl, I'm genuinely shocked and impressed by the regionalisation in the Ace Attourney games. The most recent one - mostly set in Victorian London - has some incredibly dense wordplay and British slang. I always wondered if the translation was a nightmare but now I'm wondering if they just make it up as they go along.
That one was harder because of so much cultural and historical nuances.That's part of why it took so long because they tried to keep it faithful. They even got some of the class nuances of racism correct. Ie depending on the station of who they were speaking to and based on the personalities, the racism would come through in different ways, some more subtle than others.
@@ilikedota5 - Fair, it must've been a nightmare, but as a Brit, it is pretty much spot on. Never thought window tax would be a significant plot point in a murder mystery.
The ace attorney game localizations, in general, are mind-blowingly good. The scriptwriters are incredible at substituting weird puns and jokes with similar ones that work in english. Translating wordplay is the final boss of localization scripting.
There's a blog post from Janet Hsu the localization director, about the recording of the cutscenes for TGAA, and not only is the writing fantastic, the translators somehow managed to write a script where the waveforms for the English audio matched up almost exactly with the Japanese audio to mimimize editing in the animation. I almost couldn't believe it! The quality of work here in the localization department set a high bar for the industry
@@octochan - That is legit shocking.
I know it's common for Japanese to English translations of visual novels to be difficult, because it's usually a case of filling the same number of text boxes rather than being 100% faithful. So sometimes they can be a bit repetitive and weird.
Finally a reaction video that is not made with only an US Lawyer to react a parody of the Japanese legal system.
Thank you for having the idea of featuring a Japanese lawyer as well.
As a Brit, the Phoenix Wright courtroom looks more like the House of Commons, all oak panels and an adversarial design, is this based off something older?
The original game was made in 1998 and was meant to be set in modern times (or a near future in localization), but I think the look of the courtroom and Edgeworth's frill are deliberate allusions to older british legal traditions.
@@LurdiakEdgeworth’s style makes more sense in this context considering he was taken in by von Karma, who is a German prosecutor.
@@BroadwayBrittany in og von karma is american tho, so they did just made that up
I really want to see Brits reaction when playing The Great Ace Attorney, set in England
No idea if this is a coincidence, but I've always thought it looks like the Old Bailey. Fellow Brit btw 👋
The movie "Rashomon" is basically about a murder trial where the victim is channeled by a spirit medium, so it's probably a refrence to that.
I think it's more an out, so the game can take a wacky twist at the end of the trial. Someone was mentioning that the creator is actually a defense lawyer who made the game to ape how ridiculous and unfair the Japanese legal system is. I imagine the channeling is just in keeping with the escalating nonsense.
@@ScooterinABthat thing about the creator is crap, Shu Takumi is a game dev and never practiced law
I thought the same thing. Not sure if that is indeed the case, but anyway, that movie is a masterpiece, and the short stories of Akutagawa Ryûnosuke which inspired it as well.
I think the lawyer pin is a great idea, that way if you are disbarred, the chair of the committee gets to remove it like...
"You're a disgrace to the practice, Mr Giuliani. You are henceforth a lawyer... * _rips the pin off_ * ...NO LONGER!"
Why not give them a bar that looks like the pendulum of the scales of justice, they could wear it like a mantle behind their shoulders, sure it would make using your arms difficult but it would be "classy" you could even use different metals for senority, bronze for new lawer silver for 10 years gold for 20 and diamond crusted for 30, then just get more ostentatious from there
@@omgandwtf1 Hah, literally disbarred.
And 5 year service bars for every 5 year good conduct service (no suspensions or disbarrments in that time frame) 😁
I can totally see this how Phoenix was disbarred in the fourth game lmao. The drama. The intensity.
Complete with holding it dramatically in the air for a few seconds without twitching a muscle. For extra style points, they should have an LED and a tiny button, so during the pause, they can make Mr Giuliani's former pin twinkle.
Mr. Mitsui missed that Phoenix Wright and Naruhodo Ryuichi make sense as loose translations of each other.
A Phoenix is a bird borne of fire. "Ryuichi" directly translates as "son of dragon." So there's similarity there.
"Naruhodo" means "I see" or "I understand" in a conversational context. Similar to the English conversational use of "right."
I was wondering about that too! Ryuichi is a popular character name. And they usually have dragon motif or references. Changing the name to Phenix was a fun and clever choice
It didn't help that in English 'right' can mean 'correct', 'understood', or 'acceptable'. And I'm sure I've missed a few, lol.
So.... Phoenix is the Dragonborn?
@@ianfinrir8724 not a perfect one to one translation. but they clearly tried to get as close as they could without it sounding stupid.
Imagine if his name had been something like Drayden Wright or Drake Wright?
19:40 They straight up explain why it's relevant. It's due to Redd White placing the wiretap on the Law Office phone a week or two before the murder, and during that time, he claims to have seen the glass light stand during that time, and with the evidence of the receipt, it couldn't have been possible for him to do so, since the light stand wasn't in the office until a few days ago. Which means he either lied about placing the wiretap or when he placed it, but the answer is obviously the former
If I recall, he didn't lie about placing the wiretap, since he:
Knew the layout to the office
Wouldn't be able to figure out that layout in the dark and while in a rush to kill someone and steal evidence
I really wish you guys could've commissioned one of the MILLIONS of artists with an anime artstyle...
It isn’t? Well, maybe not the majority of anime, but I’ve seen plenty of manga and some OVAs and movies that look like this.
If Devin ever wants to react to a slightly more realistic depiction of Japanese courts, there's the game "Judgment." It's part of the Yakuza / Like A Dragon series, but it focuses on a lawyer-detective and includes quite a bit of courtroom drama.
There is actually very little drama in Japanese criminal court. The conviction rate is 99.9%, because the prosecutors only charge people they are confident will be convicted and the judges essentially presume guilt, because admitting the prosecution could have been wrong could lessen the trust in the system.
There are testimonies of former judges who would send people for the death penalty despite knowing they were innocent, just for the fear of standing out.
@@_Mercival_ That's actually a point that's brought up very early in the series. I would also say that the courtroom drama isn't all that much, it's more of a breather set-piece in between the lawyer going out and fighting.
There was also a mid-2000s live action movie about a trial concerning an accused train groper (I just didn't do it?). That was a rough movie.
@@_Mercival_ So they condemn innocent people to death and murder them out of cowardice in the Japanese legal system? While the actual criminals remain in the public knowingly?
Matsui was like “okay I understand she enters the body of his sister taking control, but c’mon not in court”
Legal Eagle: Hey do Japanese people act like this anime?
Japanese Lawyer: Dude, no
😂
it's a fair question coming from an American, cause American people definitely act like they do in TV shows.
Ok, but which t.v. shows is the question? @@Gravewhisper
@@oo4758Lost maybe?
@@eplexo how was the behavior of the American characters in Lost specifically American?
@@oo4758 Hugo saying dude every 5 seconds
Learning that Japanese attorneys do not slam their palms on their desk and holler "OBJECTION!" so loud that action lines appear behind them is the most heartbreaking thing I've heard all day.
Actually in the ending of apollo justice (which is ace attorney 4) the names Wright and Naruhodo are used in very similar puns. In the English translation a person says "right" as in "i see/no wonder" when talking about the protagonist.
Also part of the reason he is called Phoenix is a reference to Ryuuichi containing the kanji for dragon! Ace Attorney puns (both in JP and EN) run DEEP and tbh the localisers did so much work making this series translate to an English speaking audience.
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@@nicoler5713 i did guess that as well, thanks for confirming it! i really like phoenix as a name
@@nicoler5713 and Furio Tigre in that one case makes more sense since tigers and dragons are enemies in Eastern mythology
Hm, the images in opening look real... "funky".
Love ace attorney, and really enjoyed the combo of lawyer reacts and learning about another country’s legal system! Would love to see another episode!!
Yeah same! Would love to see another episode of this!
Absolutely do this again!
19:16 he definitely has knowledge, his literal testimony explained he saw the glass light stand a week before the murder
“He who serves as his own counsel has a fool for a lawyer and a jackass for a client” (Abraham Lincoln? The question mark is because my research was a little ambiguous but site The Cincinnati Enquirer as attributing it to Lincoln)
Just attribute it to Mark Twain and be done with it.
It was me. I said that.
@@sigmascrub - George? ... George Santos? ... Is that you? =)
Two 17th-century variants were found; one was attributed (truly or falsely) to a judge during a case summary.
So i guess the first to say it then was proabbly Cicero he was kind of famous for his legal work in Rome.
-Do you have to wear a pin to court?
-I dunno, do you have to wear a tie?
I feel this is kind of the closest thing to compare it to... :p
I'd love to see a legaleagle play through of the games. This is like tip of the iceberg of absurdity for this series
18:20 In the games, since testimonies are divided into chunks during cross-examination, the attorney has the option to choose which specific statement in the testimony they wish to object to. However, in cases where the initial testimony seems vague or unclear, the attorney may also choose to "Press" a statement, in which they simply ask the withess for further elaboration/clarification on that specific part. Normally this is just used to either make which statement to object to more obvious from a gameplay perspective, or (which happens more usually) have the witness *append* their testimony if new information is brought about from the elaboration, which is done in the form of another statement being added to the testimony for cross-examination, which is usually always the statement that does contain the contradiction. And yes, the act of pressing normally has the attorney shout "HOLD IT!".
I'm personally curious about the realism of pressing the witness's testimony because in the games thanks to the stigma against defense attorneys (which is a real-world issue in Japan) the court does not look favorably on this tendency of theirs and compare it to badgering the witness. Do real-life courtroom procedures have similar restrictions as well?
Lol I remember the last time he did Ac attorney the comments were flooded with "that's because it's in japan" I feel like this is 100 percent a response to that
8:20 - 8:38 THANK YOU FOR HIM TO POINT THAT OUT! I remember watching the gameplay for this case, and seeing White mentioned that, it made me think to the point of "Is that even physically possible? Can you really hear a hit so loud from like the hotel room when the murder took place in the office." And finally, someone said it was odd
Next time you can get really weird, have Matsui on, and also get a British lawyer and/or an English history professor to review cases from The Great Ace Attorney.
Gown and wig
They’d probably have a field day with the “summation examination”.
"is the Dance of Deduction a real thing?"
The insane jury system with the fire scales
13:07 You actually can object during your own cross examination. It's not common, or advisable, but if the witness begins to veer off in an unwanted direction, you can object like you could if you weren't examining the witness.
There was a recent show about a Korean lawyer, Extraordinary Attorney Woo, that might make for a cool discussion of the RoK legal system and probably Moby-Dick.
He'd need a Korean a lawyer for that, though... The legal systems are different... There are quite a few British shows he could tackle as well if he could get a British lawyer.
@@kimyoonmisurnamefirst7061 I’m sure there are Korean lawyers that would love some TH-cam coverage.
Love attorney Woo!
Attorney Woo also covers autism as well.
Just watched that last year. Excellent. Encouraged me some. I'm autistic too, but not to that level (mine formerly called aspergers).
As a bird-themed channel I'm shocked you haven't reviewed the scene where they cross-examine a parrot :D
What about the time when an Orca was put on the stand?
Interesting, this was all very informative. As an Ace Attorney fan, I also got WAY more giddy at seeing the pin on Mr. Matsui's lapel than I perhaps should have, due to how much prominence is put on badges in the Ace Attorney community. xD
However, I do want to say that I heard that Ace Attorney cases are based on an older Japanese legal system that has long-since been revamped and modernized (though obviously, still greatly exaggerated and different for sake of raising the excitement and tension and to save time in some cases). This mostly stems from the fact that the central plotline of one of the games is the reformation of the court system, and I've heard that that event is based on the actual courtroom reformations done in Japan. Do you all know if that's actually true or not? That game is Apollo Justice. But I suppose the Japanese title is just "Gyakuten Saiban 4" and I believe it came out about 16-17 years ago?
I noticed that article that got brought up at 11:31 mentioned something along those lines, but a more detailed answer is something I've been really eager to find out for years. xD
1) The courtroom is sublimed from period piece British cinema. So is the "frilly" look of the Prosecutor- artistic license used to promote a setting, a mood. It almost shouts: "this is a high class place, dattebayo!"
2) Channeling the spirits of the deceased in court is a holdover from ancient times when it was done by priests or onmyoji. This custom is given a nod in Kurosawa's immortal Roshomon- a movie about a Sengoku Jidai high profile murder trial. If you haven't seen it, I highly recommend it.
The anime crossover I never expected.
As an artist, those filters(yes Im gonna be PC and say it like that) upsets me
Good thing it doesn't matter.
I love Mr. Matsui. He has such positive and eager energy.
22:32 i don'i know about the anime, but in the game they say that all those peaple suicided, so that list is kinda like the list of peaple he killed
0:12 Legal Eagle Anime when :(
4:59 In Chapter 5 of the game (originally the games final chapter) Maya is accused of Contempt of Court for speaking out of line and is removed, which, as far as I know, is the one and only time this happens lol
You have to admit, lawyers being able to channel the spirit of the victim would be hella useful.
what artist did you commission for the thumbnail illustrations?
"A plea of innocemce is guilty of wasting my time."
I almost want to see this again, but with a Japanese /Law historian/, because the original games were written around 2001-2004 and were specifically written as satires of the legal system at the time. This comes to mind, because Matsui mentions Japan having a jury system like America's-- but Apollo Justice -the fourth game-, which released in America in 2008, was (or so I've heard) originally was written in part to advertise the jury system they were just about to test in Japan. It's possible the legal system was a little more like this back then. Barring the necessary anime tropes of course.
This is a really fun way to discuss Ace Attorney. :)❤
Who did the opening art?
I’m curious too, we may or may not like the answer ^^’
Robuts.
Hey Legal Eagle, question: who made the special images of the 3 of you in the intro and outro?
P.W. Ace Attorney is purely a joke/for fun kinda legal game with no basis in reality. But it's still funny to see both an American AND a Japanese lawyer equally confused by basically everything they're seeing here. But it's cool you brought in a Japanese lawyer this time, as last time you did say you knew nothing about Japanese law.
bruh it's not hard to find artists, just post on the community tab, x, bluesky, tiktok, insta, whatever platform, and ask. then go through the list and commission whoever fits the style & price the best. big channels have budgets, don't they?
It's so disappoinmting especially considering he's a lawyer and has talked about the legal and ethical problems with it before... And yet he uses it himself -_-
I was really active in the ace attorney community years ago, and there were many, many artists that specialize in the aa art style in particular. I can only imagine that the community has grown since then ... I hope that this is just a disconnect between him and the person in charge of editing and thumbnails because maaan 😭 why you gotta do that
Because he could do it himself? With the tools he had? Why do all that, when you can just do it yourself.
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Maybe he just wanted to go with this art style? Or maybe the artist that did it is an artist trying to come up? I feel like it's kinda weird to get upset because he didn't go with artists that have a higher price for commissions, not saying that no one should commission these artists, I think all artists deserve to get work and recognition but it's also up to the creator to choose whatever person they want to/can work with, we aren't apart of the content making process so we don't know what's going on bts, we shouldn't shit on whoever did the art in the intro and shit on the channel (creator and team) just cause the art wasn't up to a certain quality standard.
Long awaited react episode!! Love it. Cheers from France
17:15 the idea of questioning a medium has come up in America before, police has done so and it happened a few times in court to afaik so culturally speaking its not completely alien but the idea of directly transforming into a deceased person is really far out there.
As other people have already said it is important to know ace attorney is a parody of the older japanese law system when evidence could just be witheld and brought out at any moment to surprise the other side. So i think that is important for Devon to know.
We definitely need more collaborations with this Japanese lawyer! It was fascinating, hilarious and he seems like a cool guy lol.
I'm interested to see how realistic the Judgement games are when it comes to the Japanese courtroom process.
If Japan has any rules about surprise evidence at all, judgement probably gets a D at best
i have a slight objection to your video ace attorney anime is based of of the phoenix wright ace attorney video game that released in 2002 trial by jury was not reintroduced to japan until 2009 so the judge would likley have given the verdict as is seen in the anime and game (probably less immediatly) as they didnt have a jury system at the time
Legal Eagle reviews the legality of Neo Queen Serenity executing several members of the Black Moon Clan without trial. Be prepared to be shocked, either by his reasoning or Jupiter's Supreme Thunder.
That would be AMAZING!
I mean, I haven't heard of any Crystal Parliament, nor any Silver Millenium Magna Carta, so I'm pretty sure she's an absolute monarch, and thus the law is what she says it is.
@@coyoteseattle Most dictators act either with a lot of luxury and a carefree attitude, or get really paranoid after a while. If anything, Chibiusa was a threat as the only one more legitimate than she was to the throne and if installed as queen she would have been easy to control as a child, so a dictator would probably put some pretty tight restrictions on that sort of stuff as Catherine II of Russia can demonstrate.
Who drew the character art for you guys at the beginning?
bro really got President Tanaka on the show and said he's a lawyer.
Don’t worry, he had a career change after the social link ending in March
22:30 One thing that Matsui is missing out here is that the backlash you'd get from the media and the society, plus possible lawsuits for damages by the blackmail victims. And also yakuza. But then again, this guy might be investigated for that as well, so maybe he pleaded guilty in hope for sentence reduction.
You know what’s not the same? The 99.9% conviction rate in Japan.
Either they only move forward with cases where they are sure they will be able to convict, or the legal system is heavily tilted in favor of the prosecution, or maybe the police is a bit to cozy with the prosecution, or a mix of all of the above.
or they rely heavily on plea bargains like over here
It's mostly the former. IIRC, only about 30% of cases go to court at all. Anything less than perfect evidence generally isn't prosecuted.
Which is actually satirized in the game, as the prosecutors regularly gush about the airtightness of their case and the pointlessness of defense. Along with their bragging about their "perfect 100% conviction rate." Which is a lot easier to achieve if you don't try to prosecute anything but the strongest cases.
Objection: speculation. Please do your research before relying purely on a headline to make your point.
9:39 this is actually really interesting, as The Great Ace Attorney chronicles (a spinoff series that basically sends the characters back in time) takes place in Britain while you play as a Japanese lawyer and there is actually 6 jurors, all the while the characters who are British rant about how much better their judicial system is
That's actually the Japanese style, ported to Britain, alongside a Japanese lawyer while the British claim it's theirs. That makes my brain hurt just enough to exist in the legal sphere so I thought I should mention it
It's worth pointing out that in the original trilogy none of the perpetrators get a guilty verdict within the same trial. There is a separate trial after that using the previous trial as evidence to convict them (which isn't hard when they literally confessed the whole thing on the witness stand!).
13:11 In fairness, in the game series, when you interrupt the witness, Pheonix says "Hold it!" rather than "Objection!" so this is a mistake the Anime writers have made on their own 😅
He says Hold It when you press. It’s Objection when you, well, actually object.
The lawyer you invited, Koichiro Matsui is pretty cute
0:30 OBJECTION! If we're talking about the franchise, not just the character, it's not Naruhodo Ryuichi, it's Gyakuten Saiban (Turnabout Trial).
Ooh, ooh, this was so fun. I got an idea of another thing you can review with Matsui-san. There is a fun Japanese movie I watched back in a Japanese class: ステキな金縛り Suteki na Kanashibari, also known as "A Ghost of a Chance," or "Once In a Blue Moon" in English. It's a comedy court drama about having a ghost be a witness in a trial. I think you would have a good time reviewing that movie because it struck me as having some good legally realistic points, as much of the comedy was based the premise of navigating the rules of a courtroom to allow for this ghost's testimony.
For example, there is a scene long before the trial starts where the main character must formally submit information about the witness she is going to call to the stand - the ghost. She had to figure out how she could take a picture of the ghost, etc. Just the fact that a court drama would include those kinds of pre-trial procedures as an important part of the story I think is very cool.
It would be cool
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I know they didn’t say it with the same inflection and it was complete coincidence, but when Devin said “so small” and then Koichiro followed up with “so small” I instantly got taken to the South Park Chinpokomon episode
Been playing the game lately. I'm on the case where Phoenix is defending Edgeworth for murder, what a twist. It's a very fun game.
The ducky in the background makes me irrationally happy.
I was actually just thinking a couple days ago that I was pretty sure you didn't react to this yet lol. Nice!
he reacted to it once before
@@likethesunshine Fair enough. I hadn't seen that video yet then lol
8:20 After living on the 9th floor of an apartment building for a year, I believe this is totally plausible. I hear all kinds of noise from the street and alley next to my building, and often hear drums from local bands playing at the bar on the street corner, and there's an alley AND a row of buildings between me and that bar. So hearing a crashing sound from an opposing window in an apartment, I could believe that.
This episode of Legal Eagle was very different and fun to watch. PLEASE can you do the same with an episode of EXTRAORDINARY ATTORNEY WOO from South Korea. It is an excellent show on it's own but it would be great to hear about the legal aspects and the differences between American and South Korean justice.
Clearly, Phoenix Wright needed his cousin Vinny to see the holes in the testimony.
1:26 Oi! Leave our wigs alone! 🇬🇧 they’re hilarious
Approximately 40 states allow courts to charge for the use of a public defender, acting as an additional punishment for those who cannot afford to pay.
I’m sure he’d LOVE to play Turnabout Big Top 😂
Suggestion for the follow up: Anatomy of a Fall with a Real French lawyer. After all it is the biggest courtroom drama in years. Bonus points if you can get Messi the dog in there.
In Japan, the lawyers are at the front and the gallery is at the rear of the courtroom. I’ve seen drama shows regarding this; from the already outdated T.V channel Wakuwaku Japan.
Edgeworth wears his cravat cuz he fancy like that
Now you should have him ask questions about the American system while you watch Harvey Birdman.
I want to see "So, in the Japanese legal system, are you allowed to cross examine a parrot?" next
“Oh you just need a majority vote to convict, and also the judges make up a third of the vote.” I’m starting to understand why Japan has such a high conviction rate now.
The Japanese legal system seems to push hard for confessions rather than trials, using social pressures to make people confess, they also have something called 'suspension of prosecution' which basically means they can put the case on hold until more evidence, or that confession, turns up before actually prosecuting. Its why only something like 8% of cases actually go to trial, lawyers don't want to damage their reputations by pushing forward cases that they could potentially lose.
I'm not in a position to say if its better or worse system than in other countries, the idea of pressuring someone to confess so they do not put their family through the shame of a draw on investigation really does not sit right with me, but its basically the same as somewhere like America were they use the economic pressures of a defense to achieve the same thing.
And the other six people aren't jurors, they are treated as lay judges. That is, they deliberate on questions of law with the professional judges, despite having no legal training. Must make legal rulings wonderfully consistent.
Also, the judges (3 professional and 6 lay, remember) can also ask questions of witnesses. Which makes raising an objection problematic, since the lawyers are then asking the judges to rule against own question.
Oh, and they also decide sentencing.
So to summarize, the nine judges (six of whom are ordinary citizens) are triers of law, triers of fact, examine and gather evidence, decide on guilt AND decide on sentencing.
"Separation of powers" and "conflict of interest"? Never heard of them.
that was the first time I've seen an attorney's badge presented in real life...
Did come across this video by accident while rewatching the first lawyer review of 2018. Love the idea to have a Japanse lawyer this time around to have to see the difference between the Japanese and US law system.
It's intriguing to examine the "Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney" series through the lens of real-world lawyering. This also brings to light the unique cultural intricacies underlying the Japanese legal system.
The pun would be Naruhodon't Ryuiji. Gomenasorry for bringing this up and arigathanks for those who appreciate it.
Gomenasorry... I'm stealing that 😂