CORRECTIONS: - Deceptors Soul Link isn't once per game, it's potentially each command phase if you want it. My error there! - Warmasters Gift is critical wounds on a 5+ (I thought hits). Could be ok for a daemon hammer, but not super exciting. Let me know if I've missed anything else, I'm sure there'll be a few bits in a book this big.
I'm a bit confused after seeing the Obliterators slide in your video and reading about the range nerf in the Goonhammer codex review. How can't Obliterators get the melta bonus damage out of deep strike? Deep strike allows a unit to come onto the board within 9" of enemy units which would be half the now 18" range of the Obliterators melta profile. Does this have more to do with a desire to keep Obliterators further back from the enemy lines rather than an actual restriction to getting melta damage out of deep strike?
Realistically, he's as productive as we help him to be with our support. He's a reflection of his communities dedication to how hard he's willing to work. I think it says good thing about him and us :D
The cultist thing is a shame, and it's disappointing they didn't get a reinforcements strategy, since armies that use a lot of suicide units really need them. You can certainly do some interesting things with characters buffing Accursed Cultists, but I have a horrible feeling it'll still work out too pricey to really work. I feel like the Lord of Skulls in Soulforged is going to be pretty scary, it's pretty tricky to ignore or screen something with that many guns which will usually be hitting on 2+ if he's got a Warpsmith in tow. The free counter-offensive on Defilers is going to make people sit up and take notice too, it's already something you'd be a bit wary to tangle with in melee but now you've really got to mean it or you're going to get slapped very, very hard. The free Overwatch from the Traitor Enforcer if he shoots someone in his own squad gets my vote for most baffling change in the book. It might be quite useful, but it makes sod all sense.
I'm probably gonna be one of the three people who is going to miss it but I'm sad the Exalted Champ's gone. I've had a character model I've been running one as ever since the edition started and I love the secondary buffs it usually gave for chosen bombs. My pre-book list for example had both a lord and a champ running with 10 chosen, undivided with the liber hereticus. Just an absolute delete button when I needed it.
Cultist mobs losing their ranged weapons is a huge pain and very disappointing. I personally have about about 40 of them but I know there are people out there with 100+ GW plastic cultist models. They decided to put out an extremely lazy cultist box with no options and now we're all stuck with it.
I think the Red Corsairs detachment is arguably the best. The amount of synergies it has with basically everything within the dex is immense. -3 Warp Talons for one, Reaver's Haste (+1 to charge objective targets). The fact it has it's own armour of contempt. Or Dark Pacted Terminators with a Sorc leading it, -2 bolters essentially, re-rolling hits, re-rolling charges and +1 for Reaver's Haste. Pair that up with 1 or two Reaper Autocannons for -3!
It will get nerfed and the other detachments will suffer because of it. I don’t get why they get bonus ap on objectives but night lords have to battleshock a unit and spend a cp like who writes this shit lol
Phil is that you? XD if not, there's a Phil in our Crusade that just got a bunch of giant Necron terrain a month or so ago. 6 people, 2 space marines 2 T'au Necrons and Nids.
@thomashowe1583 sorry, Leo here, nice to know the narrative play is alive and well tho! We're one Necron, three Space Marines, two Grey Knights, one Admech, one Drukhari, one Tyranid, one GSC and me, that as I'm the game master I'm playing Thousand Sons 😀
I kinda wish that Dread Talons would get actual buffs or debuffs based on battle shock, like +1 to hit or wound roll against battle shocked units, or enemy battle shocked units getting -1 to hit or wound.
the heavy stubber and grenade launcher is still in the kit that sells the firebrand dude. as are the autoguns. this change makes zero sense. and my salt is definitely not influenced by the fact I just bought a 20 (now locked to melee) strong unit. another codex i'll be disregarding. thanks, gw
@timunderbakke8756 I miss old GW where they even used told people to use other miniature they sold to represent something. When the first lost and the damned list came out they told people to buy the old cadian models and mix them with the chaos sprue to make mutants, or mix them with an ork Boyz box. How hard is it to sell a chaos sprue that could be used with the new cadian box? Apparently very for GW.
You're a good'un Auspex, but 10th edition is ass and I can't be borthered hearing about it any more. Sit down with 10th edition and ask "What options do I have?" And after a long and dilligent read your answer will be "Exploding 6s"
@@felipearias5622 Although it's pretty funny/sad that traitor guard basically have an intercessor squad's output by that argument, or MORE since there's more bodies per point.
plague marines in the iron warriors detachment seem nice; -1 to wound on t5 models, you've got the 5+ fnp strat too which is quite efficient. just sucks as a death guard player that plague marines are tankier *outside* of death guard than in
the disco lord not having the vehicle keyword is the dumbest thing ever he is THE daemon engine character, the fact he doesnt synergise at all with the daemon engine detachment is a huge fail
Just a thought for future videos: I know unit pt costs are usually not right, but the enhancement pts are usually the same as in the indexes. Keep up the great content Auspex!
Looks overall great, but I already see the big nerf-hammer, because some detachments looking so strong with certain units and some tournament idiots WILL abuse the shit out of them. And in the end, the nerfs will hurt casual players with fun and fluffy lists the most and will make already weaker detachments and lists even weaker. GW had the chance to make Night Lords a strong and scary army, especially with the new Jump Lord, but they didn't. Sry, but 1CP to gain -1AP for melee only and the unit have to be low or battleshocked, but Raiders getting free -1AP for all sources when enemys are on objectives + always assault? Whats the point to play Dread Talons?
I like a lot of the rules, but I'm still frustrated with the loss of autoguns on cultists. They were still selling the BSF kit last edition and half of my Dark Vengeance cultists are useless. Other wargear changes are also pretty bizarre, the new Chaos Lord is weirdly limited with his options and gets no benefits for picking up the power fist (unlike Gravis Captain who gets extra attacks) and can't take a simple bolt pistol.
The weird purge of thunderhammers and lightning claws happened to a bunch of marine units too. They're not even the best options most of the time I just think they're neat
Congrats, your cultists have evolved into Traitor Guard. You still have a datasheet to run those models with. And now Cultists are easier to buy and model for literally everyone who hasnt picked up a horde of them. Cultist modeling was in a really weird place, cause they really wanted to run 3x special weapons per 10, but those special weapons weren't actually sold. But for 5 point chaff models, it wasn't worth the effort to bits source and kitbash. Blackstone Cultists were also solid in squads of 7, really awkward to buy for the purpose of tabletop play.
@@Julian-cn1ey Except the traitor guard don't have the same options as the autogun cultists and are, clearly, not the same unit? Cultists did not get "easier to buy", buying cultists is exactly as difficult now as it was before the new codex, what's "easier" is for people to be meta chasers, that's it. There was no requirement to run the specials, or the autos. Ridiculous.
@@TRENCHESandTREADS If I buy a box off the shelf, I want to be able to use it optimally as of time of purchase, and I want to have all of the options that unit can run. I don't have any desire to need to buy two to three more boxes or second hand bits purchases, after I already bought an overpriced sheet or two of plastic. Sorry your kitbashes got squished, but this change makes the tabletop easier to get into for everyone else who wants to buy into Cultists from here on out. With models having a singular pricetag, their points costs are reflecting the optimal loadout of that model. There has been 0 incentive at all to run melee and autopistols compared to autoguns+specials for the entire edition (hell, in this weird pre-codex interm period, massed gun cultists with mark of Tzeentch seems pretty optimal as an army build), and you'd be basically just nerfing your army's capacity by opting into running the melee cultists right out of the box. 40k is an absurdly hard game to get into, in terms of logistics, artistic skill, army building stratagy, tabletop stratagy, etc. GW doesn't need to make it artificially harder by telling players to pound sand and run a shit loadout if they aren't willing to shell out more money for more kits and bits.
@@Julian-cn1ey "Sorry your kitbashes got squished" You mean "Sorry you can't use official GW miniatures which were still being sold within the last two years." right? Autogun and ranged cultists have been available for years from GW, the fact that GW wasn't selling them now is their problem (and yours apparently). The rest of your post I already addressed, it only matters for meta chasers, period. Their is no 'optimal' requirement, nor should their be, and this is the exact kind of attitude that saw options being removed all over the place because they didn't 'fit' in the box. Ridiculous.
That dread talons detachment is sad. They could have done some cool stuff with it like if your going to make it a battleshock detachment (which sucks) you could have made the effects at least useful. They could have made some strategems that prevented movement, lowered ballistic or weapon skill and a number of other things that represent fear and terror but instead we get “jump through hoops to get a mediocre effect” that other detachments get for less
I hope this comes to some discount to the units given that they overall do less damage than before and have slightly rules changes, especially chosen, abaddon, chaos sorcerer, helldrake, and defiler… The rules are really fun and seem overall strong no matter which detachment, I’m happy
Chaos Space Marines is an army I expect to be elite and thereby expensive points wise. Why do so many nerfs requiring further points reductions to compensate.
@lohikaarmeherra-1753 Auspex Tactics mentions on multiple occasions in the video X uni has had a rules change, nerfed and will need a points change to compensate. CSM should be a pts expensive army with scary rules to match. I agree that the detactments are far better than the loyalist ones. So, the CSM units should be costed in a manner where 1 CSM unit is equal to 1.5 up to 2 SM units and have the rules to match that value.
@davidcox6454 This leads into a different conversation about every army being more horde rather than elite. How many Space Marine bodies of either type does one need to fill out a 1k or 2k list?
I don't think you mentioned that the Iron Warriors detachment also only works on shooting. 42:19 Gotta be careful as you can't rely on that ability when going toe-to-toe with enemy melee specialists.
Games workshop has lost me as a customer, they release these boxs ive been following for months just for me to arrive 20 minutes late and they're all sold out. I refuse to support such scummy business practises when they've increased the price and charge so much for them individually
@@seb447-9 dude. who forces you to buy everything day 1? do you really think there will not be another chance to grab the codex? come on. this ain't some start collecting box with a mini you will not be able to buy elsewhere for years (*cough* master of possessions *cough*), it's the damn codex. you will be able to buy it in a week or two. chill.
Just a quick heads up for Element Games in the UK for pre orders of battleforce boxes is that due to limited stock online pre orders will not happen, just like the Custodies Orks battleforce sets. Got an email last time when I asked saying this following: "Due to Games Workshop sending us a very limited amount of these, sadly they will not be available for pre-order. The few we are receiving will be available in-store on the day of release, on a first come/first served basis."
Yep, just the old stuff, but worse. The cultist detachement seems also pretty weak...and the possessed are nerfed too. Well, we'll with the points cost but I am not really optimistic.
Soul link on a MoE and having a terminator sorcerer on the board let’s you get warp time on units you normally wouldn’t be able to plus access to death hex if your terminator sorcerer hasn’t used it, seems interesting
I do want to add, Predator Destructors in Raiders detachment can have some pretty insane infantry clear ability off objectives. If you take heavy bolters and the main gun, they're hitting infantry at AP-3 on objectives and with assault they can easily get into positions to hit them hard. Onto things like Custodes and terminators in cover you're either forcing CP or just putting them straight on their invulns. If you wanted to be really nasty and delete a large unit of marines off an objective you could pair a Termi sorcerer for AP-4 heavy bolters and autocannons xD tell me that doesn't sound like a bit of fun!
IW: I have 4 reaper chaincannons tied to your 20 body chaff in melee AM: Haha! You can't shoot to rip them appart now! IW: On the contrary, it means I don't have to aim now- AM: AW FU-
Vashtorr+helbrute+3 venomcrawlers in soulforge detachment sounds fun! 12 shots at S7 will have venomcrawlers wounding T12 vehicles on 4s and with the double dark pact ability on the helbrute that could do serious damage to vehicles.
I think you didn't get both buffs from soulforge dark pact. Normal dark pact and you get sustained or lethal hits, when contracted you get +1 to wound on range or +2 melee attacks
I guess between not having a model, and the bustedness that could be Exalted Champion with his ability to gain strength seemingly stacking with the talisman enhancement that also boosts strength, i guess the felt the potential for strength 11 on a character that could advance and charge if attached to chosen and do significant damage was a bit too much to balance. Pour one out for Exalted Champion. I might try to run him as a Sorceror model for my Thousand Sons because I can
I was planning a word bearers posessed/master of posession army with daemon allies and the like for flavor. Seems like im gonna have to shelf that idea for 11th...
I have a very unique Word Bearers army built that I haven't even started painting yet. I had hoped the new dex would motivate me to finally get them done. May be an unpopular opinion, but I find the new codex to be bland. The silver lining is that I haven't been giving any more money to GW for a while now.
Fantastic video, can't wait for the new codex to drop! Wanted to ask about a possible Deceptors combo. If you take a Sorcerer lord in Terminator armor with Shroud of Obfuscation and then take a Chaos lord in Terminator armor with Soul Link, does that mean you can keep the Sorcerer in reserve (safe and sound) and not only use his Death Hex ability with your Chaos Lord but also give a Terminator squad Stealth for extra defense?
Well, unless they change battleshock at all and make it less crap, probably just running my Night Lords with the Alpha Legion or Red Corsair style detachment
I am actually saddened with the removal of the Exalted Champion. I have fallen in love with the model during the Index since I could squad it up with a Chaos Lord and Chosen unit. The whole unit would just become a big blender of attacks. While it won't change much in the blender, it's still a piece that's now missing.
For the Mortal Thralls strategem in the Chaos Cult detachment, it says Heretic Astartes unit, which means you could use it to soak up anti-tank fire shooting your Land Raider, Lord of Skulls or something else worth a lot!
Have a cultist mob designated to follow around something like a daemon prince with wings, advance and keep up with it using the desperate pacts until you get the prince into a position to fly charge a high value target. If any cultists are left use them like the chaff they are to tarpit anything that might try to charge the prince , I love it
Could you do a list for each of the detachments?, especially for the alpha legion, also your videos are awesome, they are the reason for why I started playing Warhammer
With the warp charged engines, doesn't a landraider have assault ramp so you could push it up early and chuck out a unit of termies for an early charge.
Assault ranp is normal move only, so not on the advance. Still great though, possessed with a mop able to be absolutely awful in terms of charging pressure now, without the need for mark of slaanesh now
Tricky... Detechments seem overall fun tbh, but some of the dataslate changes or refusal to fix what never sees play as is combined with no need unit added to be excited about makes it tricky. It's no Ork codex, but maybe a tentative 7.
GW have already shown they can add new detachments outside of codexes with the drukhari one… so it’s entirely possible they are holding a few back to sell them later in white dwarf or a psychic awakening style release (especially as bile is still there, so the CoB are still core CSM and not EC or getting their own codex)
I would watch this but the chaos battleforces just sold out in a record 10 minutes so I guess I don't need to know anything about chaos because only scalpers will be playing them
I'd like to see a video on how to properly utilize infiltrate in honor of the deceptors detachment. I get that I want to get on objectives early and screen, but I thought you were supposed to deploy assuming you go second and hide your entire army, so I'm not sure where to put my units that are almost guaranteed to be shot and charged turn one in no man's land. Extra confusing in the context of my Eldar Rangers who are snipers who want to stay far out of harms way.
Having finally read through the codex. It seems like Marks have no bearing on the game unless you're running the Pactbound Zealots. I'm not sure if this is an oversight by GW, or it couls just be a really dumb rules decision.
The word bearers detachment is very disappointing. They worship chaos undivided, they’re not about pledging to specific gods for their own gain. And no dark apostle/possessed specific upgrades? Really seems to have missed the point of the faction. To me, it reads much more like what I’d imagine a black legion detachment to be.
Renegade raiders get additional bonuses to kinda reflect their army rule in their strategems. Dread talons have to jump through additional hoops just to get a stratagem to reflect their army rule lol wow what a bunch of crap. For anyone wondering dread talons have a 32 percent win rate lol the cultist detachment is better
looking forward to running a winged daemon prince in dread talons Flying over someone to inflict battleshock, then swooping in with 1cp full rerolls sounds like a cool (If unreliable) One-two
I think it be fun to have an actual chaos cult army. No chaos space marines. Just cultists, maybe deamons. Add vehicles. I know that cultists are cannon fodder, but id like to see cults have some agency.
Man GW really don't like the cultists for some reason, between these changes and the overcosted world eaters variant jakhals it really makes no sense as they really dont have much damage and now its worse.
I wanted Lord Discordant buffed so badly. Idk how I feel about this. I wish they would've given us back forgeworld units at least since alot has been nerfed since start of 10th. I'll likely just keep playing Deathguard for now I suppose.
Thanks for making this video! So a Legionary can't take a Plasma Gun now? My squads came from the Shadowspear box so I've got some of those. And it's fun to hear you repeatedly talk about "this damned unit." I doubt that detachment is the best but is really seems fun.
The weird restrictions on the Chaos Lord's Wargear is frustrating. Why can't I give them a Bolt Pistol? Or a Combi-Weapon? Or a Power Fist with any kind of ranged weapon? I still have a Chaos Lord with a Power Fist and Combi-Weapon; what do I do if I want to run him again?
Worse thing about the codex is it proves that they don’t play test the rules and thought night lords battle shock, iron warriors strats, and pact having nothing word bearers about it, disco not changing and weakening limited played possessed and mop all made sense to them. I feel sorry for iron warriors with strats that only work if they get beat up. Or night lords that strats don’t really do anything unless the enemy are already beat up. Or word bearers. Weaken enhancements, nothing to push for daemon prince or demonkin.
Pretty disappointing, unless the EC index has some good rules. I have a large amount of Noise Marines that are core to my army, which I both cant take AND have been cut off from my main army rule. Thanks GW.
@WontonDestruction yeah I mentioned then index. Depending on the points cost, maybe I'll be able to take a few MSU units, but without Dark Pacts they're not worth having. It's a shit change. This is why I 3D print and pirate the codices.
When I watching Soulforged Warpack detechment, I feel...frightened💀 Just imagine: Two LoS with a small Warpsmith on middle and right, a Knight Desecrator, Defiler with Lord Discirdant on left, all above T10, all are buffed by the detechment (Desecrator can have keyword by a CP) and most frightening is: all can eliminate no matter infantry, vehicles or monster💀 I don't know who wrote this, but it DID fright me💀the game will REALLY burn in fire, as Horus said💀
CORRECTIONS:
- Deceptors Soul Link isn't once per game, it's potentially each command phase if you want it. My error there!
- Warmasters Gift is critical wounds on a 5+ (I thought hits). Could be ok for a daemon hammer, but not super exciting.
Let me know if I've missed anything else, I'm sure there'll be a few bits in a book this big.
Transformers themed alpha legion army named "The Deceptorcons" is def my next big project.
Also Iron Fortitude is only for ranged attacks, I don't think you mentioned that
warmasters gift (veterans enhancement) is critical wounds, not critical hits
even the new chaos symbol sucks ...
I'm a bit confused after seeing the Obliterators slide in your video and reading about the range nerf in the Goonhammer codex review. How can't Obliterators get the melta bonus damage out of deep strike? Deep strike allows a unit to come onto the board within 9" of enemy units which would be half the now 18" range of the Obliterators melta profile. Does this have more to do with a desire to keep Obliterators further back from the enemy lines rather than an actual restriction to getting melta damage out of deep strike?
Iron! Iron within. Iron without.
chaos space marine chapter or drycleaning business
@@jamestoney6108 why not both? 🤔
Auspex is a god robot, go to sleep, blah blah blah predictable top comment 😅
Aw man, it was my turn to praise him and get a bunch of likes!
Mom said it's my turn with the sleepless auspex joke
Auspex is the real Omnissiah
Realistically, he's as productive as we help him to be with our support. He's a reflection of his communities dedication to how hard he's willing to work. I think it says good thing about him and us :D
Yeah the simping has really gone out of hand
We're so Backshtorr
The cultist thing is a shame, and it's disappointing they didn't get a reinforcements strategy, since armies that use a lot of suicide units really need them. You can certainly do some interesting things with characters buffing Accursed Cultists, but I have a horrible feeling it'll still work out too pricey to really work.
I feel like the Lord of Skulls in Soulforged is going to be pretty scary, it's pretty tricky to ignore or screen something with that many guns which will usually be hitting on 2+ if he's got a Warpsmith in tow. The free counter-offensive on Defilers is going to make people sit up and take notice too, it's already something you'd be a bit wary to tangle with in melee but now you've really got to mean it or you're going to get slapped very, very hard.
The free Overwatch from the Traitor Enforcer if he shoots someone in his own squad gets my vote for most baffling change in the book. It might be quite useful, but it makes sod all sense.
I'm probably gonna be one of the three people who is going to miss it but I'm sad the Exalted Champ's gone. I've had a character model I've been running one as ever since the edition started and I love the secondary buffs it usually gave for chosen bombs. My pre-book list for example had both a lord and a champ running with 10 chosen, undivided with the liber hereticus. Just an absolute delete button when I needed it.
Nah I’m with you. Him with Chosen and Fabius was just great.
QWQ i miss him too
I miss it as well. Oh, well. Guess Atlos the Furious got promoted to Chaos Lord.
Also was running a Exalted Champion+Chosen unit,and tô put more salt on the wound, I just finished a Kitbash for another Champion for my Emp Children
Cultist mobs losing their ranged weapons is a huge pain and very disappointing. I personally have about about 40 of them but I know there are people out there with 100+ GW plastic cultist models. They decided to put out an extremely lazy cultist box with no options and now we're all stuck with it.
Wish they would make an upgrade sprue with the autoguns as the new models are amazing
I think the Red Corsairs detachment is arguably the best. The amount of synergies it has with basically everything within the dex is immense. -3 Warp Talons for one, Reaver's Haste (+1 to charge objective targets). The fact it has it's own armour of contempt. Or Dark Pacted Terminators with a Sorc leading it, -2 bolters essentially, re-rolling hits, re-rolling charges and +1 for Reaver's Haste. Pair that up with 1 or two Reaper Autocannons for -3!
Shows how little sense the codex team has. I have faith in the balance team, they will fix this nonsense.
@@lohikaarmeherra-1753 REEEEEDDDD COOOORRRSSSAIIIRS BAYYYYBEEEEE, SPACE PIRATE TIME!
It's kinda like Power Armored Drukhari not quite but sorta
It's definitely the best detachment in the book
It will get nerfed and the other detachments will suffer because of it. I don’t get why they get bonus ap on objectives but night lords have to battleshock a unit and spend a cp like who writes this shit lol
Thank you, sir Auspex, sir! I have a long morning ahead painting Necron terrain for the club Crusade, this is going to be the perfect background.
Phil is that you? XD if not, there's a Phil in our Crusade that just got a bunch of giant Necron terrain a month or so ago. 6 people, 2 space marines 2 T'au Necrons and Nids.
@thomashowe1583 sorry, Leo here, nice to know the narrative play is alive and well tho!
We're one Necron, three Space Marines, two Grey Knights, one Admech, one Drukhari, one Tyranid, one GSC and me, that as I'm the game master I'm playing Thousand Sons 😀
I want to play with the alpha legion detachment SOOOO BADLY!
Hydra Dominatus, brother!
Cypher getting his pistols in melee is so cool. No idea how good he is but thats just sick as hell.
Its 2 am, and this just dropped. I guess I didn't need sleep anyways
I kinda wish that Dread Talons would get actual buffs or debuffs based on battle shock, like +1 to hit or wound roll against battle shocked units, or enemy battle shocked units getting -1 to hit or wound.
actually looks like a really fun codex wtf? how the hell does this one exist in the same universe as that dogshit ass custodes one?
Someone in gw thinks lord discordant is a flyer unit.
The only thing that hurts me is the cultists wargear... O O F
But yeah I guess I'll run them as guardsmen
the heavy stubber and grenade launcher is still in the kit that sells the firebrand dude. as are the autoguns. this change makes zero sense. and my salt is definitely not influenced by the fact I just bought a 20 (now locked to melee) strong unit.
another codex i'll be disregarding. thanks, gw
@@vostyok6030 that is the thing, the firebrand is going to be sold by itself for 30-40 usd.
@@tdlainc.4737 lol yeah. why didn't i think of that?? another 1pp dollar mini! just what we need!
@@vostyok6030that kit with the extra weapons isn’t in current production. No kit, no rules sort of issue
@timunderbakke8756 I miss old GW where they even used told people to use other miniature they sold to represent something. When the first lost and the damned list came out they told people to buy the old cadian models and mix them with the chaos sprue to make mutants, or mix them with an ork Boyz box. How hard is it to sell a chaos sprue that could be used with the new cadian box? Apparently very for GW.
You're a good'un Auspex, but 10th edition is ass and I can't be borthered hearing about it any more.
Sit down with 10th edition and ask "What options do I have?" And after a long and dilligent read your answer will be "Exploding 6s"
I would argue traitor guard aren't bad at shooting. the +1 ap to their lasguns is a threat! Don't underestimate it.
It essentially makes then bolt rifles, which are mediocre at best.
@@felipearias5622 Although it's pretty funny/sad that traitor guard basically have an intercessor squad's output by that argument, or MORE since there's more bodies per point.
On one hand, I want to paint my CSM as Alpha Legion.
On the other, I wanna play that Vashtorr army with all the big chaos machines.
Hey man, that's the nice thing about tenth edition, paint your army how you want because detachments aren't locked to paint schemes!
All CSM armies are Alpha Legion aren't they?
All armies are Alpha Legion aren’t they?
That's the beauty of it, alpha legion use any and all strategies do why not,m
All are Alpha Legion aren't they?
plague marines in the iron warriors detachment seem nice; -1 to wound on t5 models, you've got the 5+ fnp strat too which is quite efficient. just sucks as a death guard player that plague marines are tankier *outside* of death guard than in
the disco lord not having the vehicle keyword is the dumbest thing ever
he is THE daemon engine character, the fact he doesnt synergise at all with the daemon engine detachment is a huge fail
Just a thought for future videos: I know unit pt costs are usually not right, but the enhancement pts are usually the same as in the indexes. Keep up the great content Auspex!
Now hold up 2:02:02 The noctilith crown gives a +1 Leadership, that’d be great for dark pacts and pactbound zealots!
Looks overall great, but I already see the big nerf-hammer, because some detachments looking so strong with certain units and some tournament idiots WILL abuse the shit out of them. And in the end, the nerfs will hurt casual players with fun and fluffy lists the most and will make already weaker detachments and lists even weaker.
GW had the chance to make Night Lords a strong and scary army, especially with the new Jump Lord, but they didn't.
Sry, but 1CP to gain -1AP for melee only and the unit have to be low or battleshocked, but Raiders getting free -1AP for all sources when enemys are on objectives + always assault? Whats the point to play Dread Talons?
Renegade Raiders looks brutal. I can already see so many possibilities.
I like a lot of the rules, but I'm still frustrated with the loss of autoguns on cultists. They were still selling the BSF kit last edition and half of my Dark Vengeance cultists are useless. Other wargear changes are also pretty bizarre, the new Chaos Lord is weirdly limited with his options and gets no benefits for picking up the power fist (unlike Gravis Captain who gets extra attacks) and can't take a simple bolt pistol.
The weird purge of thunderhammers and lightning claws happened to a bunch of marine units too. They're not even the best options most of the time I just think they're neat
Congrats, your cultists have evolved into Traitor Guard. You still have a datasheet to run those models with. And now Cultists are easier to buy and model for literally everyone who hasnt picked up a horde of them.
Cultist modeling was in a really weird place, cause they really wanted to run 3x special weapons per 10, but those special weapons weren't actually sold. But for 5 point chaff models, it wasn't worth the effort to bits source and kitbash. Blackstone Cultists were also solid in squads of 7, really awkward to buy for the purpose of tabletop play.
@@Julian-cn1ey Except the traitor guard don't have the same options as the autogun cultists and are, clearly, not the same unit? Cultists did not get "easier to buy", buying cultists is exactly as difficult now as it was before the new codex, what's "easier" is for people to be meta chasers, that's it. There was no requirement to run the specials, or the autos.
Ridiculous.
@@TRENCHESandTREADS If I buy a box off the shelf, I want to be able to use it optimally as of time of purchase, and I want to have all of the options that unit can run. I don't have any desire to need to buy two to three more boxes or second hand bits purchases, after I already bought an overpriced sheet or two of plastic.
Sorry your kitbashes got squished, but this change makes the tabletop easier to get into for everyone else who wants to buy into Cultists from here on out. With models having a singular pricetag, their points costs are reflecting the optimal loadout of that model. There has been 0 incentive at all to run melee and autopistols compared to autoguns+specials for the entire edition (hell, in this weird pre-codex interm period, massed gun cultists with mark of Tzeentch seems pretty optimal as an army build), and you'd be basically just nerfing your army's capacity by opting into running the melee cultists right out of the box.
40k is an absurdly hard game to get into, in terms of logistics, artistic skill, army building stratagy, tabletop stratagy, etc. GW doesn't need to make it artificially harder by telling players to pound sand and run a shit loadout if they aren't willing to shell out more money for more kits and bits.
@@Julian-cn1ey "Sorry your kitbashes got squished" You mean "Sorry you can't use official GW miniatures which were still being sold within the last two years." right? Autogun and ranged cultists have been available for years from GW, the fact that GW wasn't selling them now is their problem (and yours apparently).
The rest of your post I already addressed, it only matters for meta chasers, period. Their is no 'optimal' requirement, nor should their be, and this is the exact kind of attitude that saw options being removed all over the place because they didn't 'fit' in the box. Ridiculous.
That dread talons detachment is sad. They could have done some cool stuff with it like if your going to make it a battleshock detachment (which sucks) you could have made the effects at least useful. They could have made some strategems that prevented movement, lowered ballistic or weapon skill and a number of other things that represent fear and terror but instead we get “jump through hoops to get a mediocre effect” that other detachments get for less
I hope this comes to some discount to the units given that they overall do less damage than before and have slightly rules changes, especially chosen, abaddon, chaos sorcerer, helldrake, and defiler…
The rules are really fun and seem overall strong no matter which detachment, I’m happy
It won't. This is GW we're talking about.
I got auspex tactics tattooed on my babies face
Chaos Space Marines is an army I expect to be elite and thereby expensive points wise.
Why do so many nerfs requiring further points reductions to compensate.
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Detatchments are miles better than the loyalist ones, but YOU need point reductions? 😅
@lohikaarmeherra-1753 Auspex Tactics mentions on multiple occasions in the video X uni has had a rules change, nerfed and will need a points change to compensate.
CSM should be a pts expensive army with scary rules to match.
I agree that the detactments are far better than the loyalist ones.
So, the CSM units should be costed in a manner where 1 CSM unit is equal to 1.5 up to 2 SM units and have the rules to match that value.
Why do people assume that bad rules will lead to points cuts lol they have toned the last few detachments maybe sucking is just the new normal
@davidcox6454 This leads into a different conversation about every army being more horde rather than elite.
How many Space Marine bodies of either type does one need to fill out a 1k or 2k list?
The sorcerer in terminator armour is really spicy. Death hex is just amazing. I will play 2 of these
in fellhammer you can plonk the warptracer on his bolter🤫
I don't think you mentioned that the Iron Warriors detachment also only works on shooting. 42:19
Gotta be careful as you can't rely on that ability when going toe-to-toe with enemy melee specialists.
It dropped early?!?!?! its already out of stock. I thought it was dropping at 11am u cant buy it anywhere.............
Games workshop has lost me as a customer, they release these boxs ive been following for months just for me to arrive 20 minutes late and they're all sold out. I refuse to support such scummy business practises when they've increased the price and charge so much for them individually
@@seb447-9 dude. who forces you to buy everything day 1? do you really think there will not be another chance to grab the codex? come on. this ain't some start collecting box with a mini you will not be able to buy elsewhere for years (*cough* master of possessions *cough*), it's the damn codex. you will be able to buy it in a week or two. chill.
What time did you log in to the site?
@@Belzerker 10:10am
Well, glad I never invested in a Master of Possession. Happy to see Vashtorr pick up a few buffs. Excited for my Alpha Legion and daemon engines!
Just a quick heads up for Element Games in the UK for pre orders of battleforce boxes is that due to limited stock online pre orders will not happen, just like the Custodies Orks battleforce sets.
Got an email last time when I asked saying this following:
"Due to Games Workshop sending us a very limited amount of these, sadly they will not be available for pre-order.
The few we are receiving will be available in-store on the day of release, on a first come/first served basis."
As a Word Bearer - Pactbound Zealot enhancements look absolutely trash.
Yep, just the old stuff, but worse. The cultist detachement seems also pretty weak...and the possessed are nerfed too. Well, we'll with the points cost but I am not really optimistic.
@arnaudmathieu480 From the powerhouse in 9th back to the joke in 10th.
Dark Apostles are total trash now too.
Soul link on a MoE and having a terminator sorcerer on the board let’s you get warp time on units you normally wouldn’t be able to plus access to death hex if your terminator sorcerer hasn’t used it, seems interesting
I do want to add, Predator Destructors in Raiders detachment can have some pretty insane infantry clear ability off objectives. If you take heavy bolters and the main gun, they're hitting infantry at AP-3 on objectives and with assault they can easily get into positions to hit them hard. Onto things like Custodes and terminators in cover you're either forcing CP or just putting them straight on their invulns.
If you wanted to be really nasty and delete a large unit of marines off an objective you could pair a Termi sorcerer for AP-4 heavy bolters and autocannons xD tell me that doesn't sound like a bit of fun!
I already painted my space marines as alpha legion... maybe its time to fully embrace chaos
Run them as loyalists lol
@Lomhow currently doing that. I just pick al regular loyalist chapters and paint /convert them to alpha legion
But are they from the legionairy kit?
@@michaelmastriano7566 nah, dont like the black legion look. I just use printed bits on modified primaris models
Bummer about cultists losing guns and possessed / mop rules nerfs 😢
Stratagem to shoot with pistol profile just in enemy face is fun :D
IW: I have 4 reaper chaincannons tied to your 20 body chaff in melee
AM: Haha! You can't shoot to rip them appart now!
IW: On the contrary, it means I don't have to aim now-
AM: AW FU-
I am so bummed to lose my cultists with their cultist firearms, I have so many of them 😢
just mix them in with traitor guard squads at this rate, autoguns and lasguns have identical profiles anyways
Vashtorr+helbrute+3 venomcrawlers in soulforge detachment sounds fun! 12 shots at S7 will have venomcrawlers wounding T12 vehicles on 4s and with the double dark pact ability on the helbrute that could do serious damage to vehicles.
I think you didn't get both buffs from soulforge dark pact. Normal dark pact and you get sustained or lethal hits, when contracted you get +1 to wound on range or +2 melee attacks
I guess between not having a model, and the bustedness that could be Exalted Champion with his ability to gain strength seemingly stacking with the talisman enhancement that also boosts strength, i guess the felt the potential for strength 11 on a character that could advance and charge if attached to chosen and do significant damage was a bit too much to balance. Pour one out for Exalted Champion. I might try to run him as a Sorceror model for my Thousand Sons because I can
I was planning a word bearers posessed/master of posession army with daemon allies and the like for flavor. Seems like im gonna have to shelf that idea for 11th...
I have a very unique Word Bearers army built that I haven't even started painting yet. I had hoped the new dex would motivate me to finally get them done. May be an unpopular opinion, but I find the new codex to be bland. The silver lining is that I haven't been giving any more money to GW for a while now.
Wait the firebrand is useful now... prolly shouldnt have converted that one I got from model of the month into a runtherd earlier today then.
Fantastic video, can't wait for the new codex to drop! Wanted to ask about a possible Deceptors combo. If you take a Sorcerer lord in Terminator armor with Shroud of Obfuscation and then take a Chaos lord in Terminator armor with Soul Link, does that mean you can keep the Sorcerer in reserve (safe and sound) and not only use his Death Hex ability with your Chaos Lord but also give a Terminator squad Stealth for extra defense?
Well, unless they change battleshock at all and make it less crap, probably just running my Night Lords with the Alpha Legion or Red Corsair style detachment
Why is it that some codex books are just fine while others are complete fucking trash?
and 1 min over the boxes and the special edition book where gone.
removed from my order as i put in my details.
I am actually saddened with the removal of the Exalted Champion. I have fallen in love with the model during the Index since I could squad it up with a Chaos Lord and Chosen unit. The whole unit would just become a big blender of attacks. While it won't change much in the blender, it's still a piece that's now missing.
I ran mine with Huron. Axe bros no more...
For the Mortal Thralls strategem in the Chaos Cult detachment, it says Heretic Astartes unit, which means you could use it to soak up anti-tank fire shooting your Land Raider, Lord of Skulls or something else worth a lot!
Have a cultist mob designated to follow around something like a daemon prince with wings, advance and keep up with it using the desperate pacts until you get the prince into a position to fly charge a high value target. If any cultists are left use them like the chaff they are to tarpit anything that might try to charge the prince , I love it
Auspex is a Legend
RIP Creations of Bile. :( At least Fabius is still around.
a genuine Traitor Guard/Cultist army is one of the things that has been on my list for starting chaos and this is my sign.
Could you do a list for each of the detachments?, especially for the alpha legion, also your videos are awesome, they are the reason for why I started playing Warhammer
With the warp charged engines, doesn't a landraider have assault ramp so you could push it up early and chuck out a unit of termies for an early charge.
Assault ranp is normal move only, so not on the advance. Still great though, possessed with a mop able to be absolutely awful in terms of charging pressure now, without the need for mark of slaanesh now
Cult Chaos Enhancements links to Renegade Raiders Enhancements part. just to point out :D
Guys.
Rate this codex out of 10 (you can add details on why)
Tricky... Detechments seem overall fun tbh, but some of the dataslate changes or refusal to fix what never sees play as is combined with no need unit added to be excited about makes it tricky. It's no Ork codex, but maybe a tentative 7.
8/8
praise the dark gods
8
Very fun codex it looks like
I'd give it an 8 if the points stay largely the same and a 9 if the enhancements and traitor guard are cheap
We all knew EC are getting thier own book. Its just odd to see CoB get the boot
GW have already shown they can add new detachments outside of codexes with the drukhari one… so it’s entirely possible they are holding a few back to sell them later in white dwarf or a psychic awakening style release (especially as bile is still there, so the CoB are still core CSM and not EC or getting their own codex)
Thanks auspex! Have a comment for the algorithm.
I am pleased that my boys look strong and versatile this go around. Thumbs up, GW. A rare W.
Honestly can't wait to run my Iron warriors and Vashtorr in multiple of these new detachments!
#ironwithinironwithout
I would watch this but the chaos battleforces just sold out in a record 10 minutes so I guess I don't need to know anything about chaos because only scalpers will be playing them
I have a bunch on khorne berserkers and was wondering if running them in any of these detachments would make good use of them. Thoughts?
I'd like to see a video on how to properly utilize infiltrate in honor of the deceptors detachment. I get that I want to get on objectives early and screen, but I thought you were supposed to deploy assuming you go second and hide your entire army, so I'm not sure where to put my units that are almost guaranteed to be shot and charged turn one in no man's land.
Extra confusing in the context of my Eldar Rangers who are snipers who want to stay far out of harms way.
Having finally read through the codex. It seems like Marks have no bearing on the game unless you're running the Pactbound Zealots. I'm not sure if this is an oversight by GW, or it couls just be a really dumb rules decision.
I like this this is cool IRON WITHIN IRON WITHOUT!
cultist change is annoying and unnessersry
Another well thought out review, informative.
The word bearers detachment is very disappointing. They worship chaos undivided, they’re not about pledging to specific gods for their own gain. And no dark apostle/possessed specific upgrades? Really seems to have missed the point of the faction. To me, it reads much more like what I’d imagine a black legion detachment to be.
Renegade raiders get additional bonuses to kinda reflect their army rule in their strategems. Dread talons have to jump through additional hoops just to get a stratagem to reflect their army rule lol wow what a bunch of crap. For anyone wondering dread talons have a 32 percent win rate lol the cultist detachment is better
looking forward to running a winged daemon prince in dread talons
Flying over someone to inflict battleshock, then swooping in with 1cp full rerolls sounds like a cool (If unreliable) One-two
I think it be fun to have an actual chaos cult army. No chaos space marines. Just cultists, maybe deamons. Add vehicles. I know that cultists are cannon fodder, but id like to see cults have some agency.
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Sad to see our old friends Sound Marines getting held over. Might be fun to bring their 'Mastery' in the Damned unit detachment.
Man GW really don't like the cultists for some reason, between these changes and the overcosted world eaters variant jakhals it really makes no sense as they really dont have much damage and now its worse.
Still can't believe Vashtor doesn't heal vehicles. Reorder Reality is neat though "LOL your guns don't work on me!"
Seems to me that this codex really highlights the gulf in quality between them: custodes and admech are poor relations compared to this or orks.
I’m glad I started collecting CSM!
Ready to bring the Blessed Word of Lorgar! 🔥📖
My God. I expected the codex to be good. But this is beautiful. Even the battle shock detachment looks fun!!!!
Can probably use Soul Link to get death hex from a Sorcerer in Terminator Armour across to the other side of the board.
I wanted Lord Discordant buffed so badly. Idk how I feel about this. I wish they would've given us back forgeworld units at least since alot has been nerfed since start of 10th. I'll likely just keep playing Deathguard for now I suppose.
night lords wondering if we should just stick to 30k cause our main ability is just bad in 40k....
If GW errata the Warptalons I’m gonna be salty when Necrons still get their Wraithball on top of triple c’tan😂
Thanks for the breakdown of the book. These are always super helpful
Can daemons be ran?
Cos since they ruined being able to take allies now can daemons like skarbrand be part of the army?
Whats the percent chance on a terminator unit with +1 to charge, charging out of deepstrike and rerollable ?
How does everyone simultaneously have the same opinions on rules but GW still makes detachments so hit or miss.
Okay, please help me out:
Why does GW refuse to give Vashtorr an ability to heal vehicles?
Warpsmith job?
Would probably be too strong. He’s already a beefy boi. Having the ability to heal other beefy bois around him would be pretty crazy.
He dosn't care about his endebted lackeys, he just lets them run around the battlefield and pretend that they'll ever pay the soul debt
Chaos lord with jump pack should be able to go with warp talons only if it has the twin lightning claws
I want to play alpha legion but cannot stand using regular csm and cultists models. Sucks
Thanks for making this video! So a Legionary can't take a Plasma Gun now? My squads came from the Shadowspear box so I've got some of those. And it's fun to hear you repeatedly talk about "this damned unit." I doubt that detachment is the best but is really seems fun.
I run nurgle flavored csm so im either going veterans of the long war or vashtorrs detachment
The weird restrictions on the Chaos Lord's Wargear is frustrating. Why can't I give them a Bolt Pistol? Or a Combi-Weapon? Or a Power Fist with any kind of ranged weapon?
I still have a Chaos Lord with a Power Fist and Combi-Weapon; what do I do if I want to run him again?
Typically, in these situations I say "See that Combi-Weapon? It's a plasma pistol. Don't ask me, ask Games Workshop."
wysiwyg is only for tournaments and events. if you build wysiwyg for casual games you are gifting GW too much money.
@@Majere613 The only way to use a power fist is if you have a daemon hammer, so it'd actually be "See that combi-weapon? It's a daemon hammer."
anyone have the link to the leaked Veterans of the Long War and Deceptors detachments?
Worse thing about the codex is it proves that they don’t play test the rules and thought night lords battle shock, iron warriors strats, and pact having nothing word bearers about it, disco not changing and weakening limited played possessed and mop all made sense to them. I feel sorry for iron warriors with strats that only work if they get beat up. Or night lords that strats don’t really do anything unless the enemy are already beat up. Or word bearers. Weaken enhancements, nothing to push for daemon prince or demonkin.
Pretty disappointing, unless the EC index has some good rules. I have a large amount of Noise Marines that are core to my army, which I both cant take AND have been cut off from my main army rule.
Thanks GW.
Not true mate, you can take up to 25% of your army as noise marines or rubrics etc.
There will be an index in a white dwarf for emperor's children
@WontonDestruction yeah I mentioned then index. Depending on the points cost, maybe I'll be able to take a few MSU units, but without Dark Pacts they're not worth having. It's a shit change. This is why I 3D print and pirate the codices.
I feel you I main EC as well. But well have to see what they go with for as our Army Rule and detachment rules. There may yet be hope.
When I watching Soulforged Warpack detechment, I feel...frightened💀
Just imagine: Two LoS with a small Warpsmith on middle and right, a Knight Desecrator, Defiler with Lord Discirdant on left, all above T10, all are buffed by the detechment (Desecrator can have keyword by a CP) and most frightening is: all can eliminate no matter infantry, vehicles or monster💀
I don't know who wrote this, but it DID fright me💀the game will REALLY burn in fire, as Horus said💀
The renagade raiders rules make me think new chaos bikers are about to drop.