The Yamato can split man from devil the Rebellion can unite devil and man. Vergil stabbed himself looking away from the portrait of his father during the dead of Night. Dante stabbed himself facing the portrait of his father during the peak of Day Dante the Weapon juggler uses one sword In his form. While vergil who uses only three weapons gain additional moves with them. For the First time Vergil reflected like a human would of his past. For the First Dante searched for Power like a Devil would. The Devil had embraced his Humanity. The Human had embraced his Demonic Heritage. They finally accepted the part of themselves they were running away from for a long time.
Canonical wise... For Dante... Majin DT in DMC2 is still there and Shin DT in DMC5 can still use Devil Arms. For Vergil... His standard DT still exists back in DMC4 and his Majin DT has yet to be shown. Seeing as both brothers have the same power sets. Of course, for Dante. Outside of Devil Arms that he sells to pay for his electric bills. All of his power ups from DMC1 up to DMC5 is still there. Same goes for Vergil... And akin to Dante, Vergil can craft his own Devil Arms but prefers to stick with his 3 Devil Arms + only Summon Swords, given Doppelganger. Knowing that their Father, Sparda, who created the Yamato and the Rebellion. And knowing Mundus, who created an entire infinite space universe to fight Dante and who created Nightmare to which he added a limit to in order to avoid Nightmare from obliterating all of Hell. On top of Demonic Energy being boosted by Human Blood. Demonic Energy (to which all Demons are Conceptual Manifested Entities) and with all Souls being 5th Dimensional at base... Dante and Vergil have greatly surpassed both Sparda, Mundus, and Argosax. Also because Demonic Energy application is cracked OP, lore wise. This also means that Dante's Styles such as Royal Guard Dreadnought Form in DMC4 still exists. As well as adding in new styles should the brothers desire it. Dante and Vergil still has potential and they could craft their own Devil Arms from their own power without the need of using Demons/Concepts Manifested. If they are smart as to not divide their power into their Devil Arms. Which says a lot about Nero since he's 1/3rd of Sparda's bloodline. Although, given V and given that the Human World was once one with the Demon World before Sparda sealed off the Demon World. Future generations of Sparda's bloodline may end up being weaker than the first or the second gen. Which poses a question... Since Demons are actually Conceptual Entities and all Souls are 5th Dimensional... Are humans a very far off lineage of Demons???... Given the lore of DMC, I propose that it is the case. Especially with regards to DMC4, and that many people with a Devil Trigger have existed before dying in a great battle in DMC2, against a powerful demon during Sparda's time.
@blakehatfield7328 Yup. The report goes a little more specific and says something like he's gotta fuse it into his arm to start the transformation(probably just the sheath since he still uses Yamato normally). And iirc it says that his arm/elbow spikes result from it bring absorbed, the shape of them I mean.
Not that he *HAS* to, it's just part of the process, that he and Yamato become one. It's *his* weapon and power after all. While DSD is Dante's power and will materialised, Yamato is the Talisman of Vergil's pride and power. DSD is always inside Dante and he summons it out, Yamato is always tight on Vergil's side and always becomes part of him in DT.
Canonically, after Dante Is knocked out by urizen for a month he was laying in human blood which would power him (and is also why his hair grows longer after that mission) and after unlocking sun devil trigger and DSD, Dante destroys stage 3 urizen in his human form.
I don’t think human blood was the defining factor in Dante’s power up to SDT. Cuz Dante wasn’t exactly lying in a pool of blood when V found him after retrieving the Sparda, but rather on top of a statue. And the claim of blood causing his hair to grow longer is irrelevant as hair does naturally grow significantly longer on its own if a month were to pass. I say that the real defining factor for Dante’s power up was from him absorbing his two inherited devil arms, the Rebellion and the Sparda. Cuz after all, ever after Urizen ate the qliphoth fruit, a fruit grown from human blood that supposedly grants you power to become like Mundus, in order to evolve to his final Urizen stage, he still lost single-handedly to Dante’s SDT in the end.
no, also remember Dante is mix of human and demon, demons gaining power from human blood, the human blood that's inside his, Vergil's and Nero's body constantly feeding them more power, also Dante is like 50 in dmc5, his hair is not gonna grow that much in a month. stage 3 urizen losing to Dante (in human form) shows that urizen is weaker than Dante because Dante is both human and demon urizen is just demon. to quote dmc4 Dante "you surrendered your humanity, its that simple." and "humans possess something that demons don't." that thing presumably being emotions and good judgment which urizen also lacks as he's pure demon as shown when he says to Dante during the fight "how are you so powerful? You never lost anything." which is wrong, Dante has lost a lot over the series but shows demons urizen hasn't got Vergil's memories, only his pure strength however Dante has both
Dante having his hair grow longer and coming back stronger before he unlocks SDT was explained in the gallery. Nico mentioned how he was concealed by the presence of the Sparda. And it was also steadily imbuing him with power in that same time. Sure human blood might help a little, but the majority factor in his recovery was the Sparda. And once he's awakened from this state(hence why gallery calls it the Awakened Dante model) and unlocks SDT, that's why it changed just how powerful he was. He was already getting juiced from proximity to the Sparda since he had the capability of wielding it. Anything else beyond direct observations more an inference on the matter.
@@newfoundwisdom8532 It wasn't the Sparda that infused him with power. It was the Qliphoth which mistook Dante for Urizen-Vergil's demon half and the demon king at the time because they are twins and formed a throne which infused him with power the same way the Qliphoth roots around Urizen infused him with power.
Stabbing himself is infact a gameplay machine. Its a punishment, because if you get triple S style ranking and then transform, dante doesn't stab himself. He can just transform instantly.
I think Sin Devil Trigger is the true form/power of human-demon hybrids. When Dante transforms, he’s merging with the Devil Sword. Merging man and demon with Rebellion’s power. Vergil only obtained SDT after V and Urizen reunited, literally merging a man with a demon. Thats probably why he doesn’t have a regular DT anymore, the merge in this case was Vergil being reborn so it was permanent. But it also makes sense why Vergil and Dante still need their swords to transform. DSD is merging Dante’s human and demon halves together. Vergil on the other hand is absorbing the Yamato to “cut” through the barrier between his human and demon side, similar to how the Yamato can make portals between the human and demon world.
I definitely agree with this because whenever Dante used Doppleganger in dmc3 and Vergil uses it in DMC5 it’s always their DT or SDT. Which imo is implying that form is their true self. Also in Nico’s reports it refers to SDT’s as their “True Form”. Like what they were always meant to be and the pinnacle of what they can be.
@@Sci-FiKai It is also stated on one of Dante's character cards in TEPPEN™, that he fused man and devil into their "ultimate form". Which as you stated, confirms SDT to be the final form for hybrids, just the japanese name "Shin Majin"- Form implies.
The reason why I think Vergil’s SDT can be used so normally compared to Dante, is I think because it fully replaces his normal DT as the one. Vergil already had a much more powerful version of his regular DT so he doesn’t have a reason to keep it around whereas Dante can still enter his normal DT mode.
Very true but I wonder why he doesn’t have a normal DT anymore. Or maybe he does but they just replaced it with doppelgänger yo make him different from Dante gameplay wise?
I think Dante's devil powers are destruction and hellfire, while Vergil's are speed and lighting. That's why Dante in his SDT using destructive abilities and hellfire, instead of his base moves, because his SDT abilities are much stronger and Vergill just regularly fighting, but he's faster and stronger.
Something I noticed with Vergil’s fighting style in comparison to Dante. When Vergil uses the normal DT gauge, he summons a clone of himself. Unlike Dante, who transforms into his normal Devil Trigger form. So when Dante uses Sin Devil Trigger, his moveset is completely changes and sticks to the Devil Sword Dante. Vergil transforms into Sin Devil Trigger like he does with a normal DT and his moveset isn’t locked like Dante’s. Vergil can use other weapons in his SDT form. I love how this shows how different the sons of Sparda are.
Not the most in depth video but it covers everything you need to know on a basic level and I feel there isn’t enough of that in the DMC space. The fact I could go on for probably an hour about DT and SDT is a testament to that. But I think it’s important to have something exactly like this is needed because looking up “Sin Devil Trigger Explained” will lead to a lot of lore explanation and it’s a lot to consume at once. Tl;dr I love the size and detail here I think it’s great.
Thank you very much! I’ve watched similar videos to this for other fandoms like Naruto and DragonBall. Where there’s a ton of lore and powers than can get complicated, so a content creator will make a bunch of bite sized videos explaining individual aspects of the series. That doesn’t really exist for DMC so I decided it would but cool to make, though I will be making long form DMC content as well. 🤝
@@BrisketSurge Your kind words are much appreciated hearing positive feedback like this for a small channel still figuring things out means the world 🙏
In my opinion (i hope) Dante's SDT was basically born very recently and he cant fully control it properly like Vergil can and because of his newfound power, Dante's SDT has just been awakened and the power scaling is sort of off balance, its like the SDT is another Dante taking over and it doesnt want to use the other weapons he has and only using the Devil Sword Sparda to maintain the form for a good amount of time before turning back to Dante Meanwhile Vergil on the other hand, his SDT was already activated when he got fused with Yamato turning into Urizen and already got a good comprehension of his SDT and can switch in and out of it because he knows his power and thats why he can switch to other weapons he has
Yeah and I think the fact that he fuses with the Yamato plays a big part because him and the sword have been one for a very long time at this point he knows the Yamato like the back of his hand so it may come very naturally to him
Well it's a little more complicated Dante has always had sin/majin devil trigger it's just he could only access it when near dead his first time Awakening the power was in the DmC 3 manga but because Dante is almost never in danger that's why we usually don't see Plus at that point in time it was pretty much a a berserker form but now thanks to the sword of Sparta it pretty much permanently awaken the power and the power boost allows Dante to control it rather than losing control like it's implied he does and devil May cry 2
He doesn't lose control of it, but rather another Dante is taking over in his SDT mode but Dante can still control it but barely since his SDT is kind of a wild card and unpredictable when using it and that's why when Dante uses his SDT mode it seems to be like someone taking over him for a bit to use the power and releasing back so it doesn't hurt Dante in any way (probably if Dante were to stay in the SDT mode for too long, the SDT could swallow him from the inside, thus losing control over it) Since seeing SDT's moves and attacks it seems to be like a unrestrained monster while Vergil is precise and focused when fighting
I think the devs didn't have the time to implement a SDT moveset for Vergil so it basically just replaced his normal DT because it functions very similar to his DT in DMC 4 where it extended his moveset, gave him access to screen clear moves like JCE and heals him. (At a reduced rate) Maybe in DMC 6 if they ever make it they will give Vergil his own SDT moveset or they will keep it this way because otherwise he would play to very similar to Dante.
Vergil doesn't need a regular DT anymore and it doesn't fit his character to "hold back" when going DT means getting serious. With Doppelganger taking over the DT spot, Concentration Meter already buffing all of Vergils attacks, THREE Super Moves and World Of V being around as a Get-Out-Of-Jail-Card, what porpose would a regalur DT separately from STD even bring to the table? The devs probably realised that and scratched those rehular DT designs. DMC5 Vergil and Dante are the most completed versions of the characters and absolutely at their peaks. The devs would do more good to focus on developing Nero, V's replacement and the girls.
Great video man keep it up , so as a Dante main I think Dante’s sdt is about freedom (rebellion if you will) he frees his inner demon letting lose and doesn’t confine himself to his usual self (weird as that may sound ) he is no longer a goof who kicks ass (though he still can be ) he shows how serious he can be when time calls for it , thus freeing himself from himself in order to achieve his ultimate power (whereas Vergil is controlled like a disciplined warrior and not a force of nature , it is even hinted at with their abilities Dante’s black holes his sparda finisher ,meteors he is no warrior just a force of nature )
Exactly and I think it’s a good representation that here we have Dante, who can beat all these super powerful demons while not trying, so what happens when he actually tries? He has an explosive amount of demon energy and can easily annihilate anything with minimal difficulty and massive flashy destructive ultimate attacks, Whereas Vergil is reserved and precise going in and out of SDT at the perfect moment and never using all of his power all at once Also thank you so much man 🤝
Completely agree , they duality if the brothers is in full display as well as how they compliment each other as characters and rivals , looking forward to a future video where you ll be touching upon that as well
@@virhilios3789does sin devil trigger just change appearence slightly or drastically like you can see dantes devil trigger change a lot when its sin devil trigger and vergil just looks the same just that some parts are glowing more and he looks more white and blue
this makes me feel a little better about how both brothers got the same powerup but one had to do a whole big ritual while the other got it by stabbing himself. Dante, going through the easy route of fusing the rebellion and Sparda, has little control over this form. while Vergil, for his effort of growing and eating the Qliphoth, has maximum control over it.
I also think it complements their personalities very well to. Dante’s is hard to control and an explosion of power. Vergils is precise and controlled bursts of power.
@@Sci-FiKai it's worth noting that while Dante has a wider variety of power in his SDT form, shooting fireball, shooting homing projectile, and creating a black hole. His power is fully unleashed and there's no holding back. Vergil never really used those same powers, all of his finishers are from his weapons, Judgment Cut End, Hell On Earth, and Deep Stinger are powers from the weapons, not his SDT. We never really saw him fully unleashing his power like Dante.
Pretty sure Dante's regular DT doesn't exist anymore lore-/cutscene-wise and is a gameplay only feature since then. This is his final form after all, uniting his entire self under his command.
Responding to an old comment here so you might already know this but if you use regular dt in the fight against urizen 2 he actually comments on how dante is using an inferior form which makes me think dante can still use regular dt
@@kadlus9781 Interesting detail! And it actually adresses the issue pretty well: Why would Dante canonically use the inferior form, should he still have access to it? In Vergil's case it's obvious - he doesn't pull his punches, so SDT is the go-to and he has no need for the regular DT, with Doppelganger in the bag. In Dante's case, just like in Nico's files, Dante activating his DT, means he got serious and isn't pulling any more punshes. So outside of gameplay, him canonically using the regular DT post-Urizen 2, would be just... very odd. One argument, I can think of, is him hesitating on going SDT, so that his enormous power doesn't cause unnecessary collateral damage. But I personally would take even that explanation with a grain of salt.
@@solracstormhunter3023 the answer probably lies somewhere in the dmc manga tho i could be wrong. Its also dante were speaking of, hes totally the kind of guy to use normal dt for fun judt to insult his opponent lol. I also think dante is somewhat reserved in using his demonic forms as he doesnt really care about his demon side, with the exception of SDT being one of dantes only times where he actually seeked power himself. Its a curious issue, but dmc's story is always somewhat out there sometimes.
@@kadlus9781 The part of using it as an insult sounds lkie something Dante would do, but thn again, DT is what he taps into when he gets serious. Even in cutscenes and the Anime, Dante only goes DT as a serious measure. What Capcom needs to clarify, is if SDT is a natural evolution, or a separate thing canonically, since until now, DT was portrayed as a personal growth between games and only vastly variating when external sources, like different Devil Arms were at play. Dante not caring for his demonic side, though, was more of a DMC3 thing. After DMC3 what he wanted to distance himself from, was the _worldbreaking power,_ that was unseparable from his demonic side. It's not like he contempted his demonic part, it's that he kept it at arms length, never letting it take over his human side. From DMC1 onwards he shows he has respect for his demonic side and demons in general, being able to identify good demons like Trish, Lucia and the lovebird guy from the anime, showed _mercy_ for harmless and beaten demons like Sid, _honour_ towards demons like Griffon, Nelo Angelo and Berial and _sympathy& towards V's familiars after their fight and only showed _contempt_ towards cruel demons like Mundus & Urizen. Especially towards the former humans Agnus & Sactus he showed a form of pity, like he was standing in front of misguided fools. It's a side of Dante I hear few peoole mentioning, when it comes to Dante's relationship with his demonic side.
I wanna say that might be possible for dmc6, but that might be to soon. Also unsure if Hybrids can achieve it as well but there’s nothing saying they can’t so far.
@@Sci-FiKai I could be wrong but I think they're going to push the narrative of hybrids having more potential similar to how hybrid Saiyans are in Dragon Ball
@@BlazedApplesyeah they already kinda are because in the dmc4 Novel Dante says he thinks Nero is stronger than him with the Yamato at the end of 4. Now DT Nero is right under SDT Dante and Vergil so I’d be surprised if he didn’t straight up surpass them in the best game 😊
@@Synrune yeah which would explain them being so strong as well, but it might also be a DragonBall Saiyan type of deal where every generation has more potential than the last. Which in this case would be Nero
Okay to explain why Capcom knew what they were doing with Nero having his form DT and not Sin DT is because the form in 4 is a Yamato DT, we even see in 3 Dante and Vergil have a Beowulf DT but obviously Nero's Yamato DT will just be his new & natural-based DT with Yamato at his disposal, wouldnt really look good if it had the Avatar included with his new Devil Bringer (the Wings).
I like that their SDT's function differently. I've always hated the idea of Dante and Vergil essentially being clones of each other who use all the same forms and weapons. I like that they fight and use their powers differently.
It’s kinda not explained why his DT changes in literally every game. 💀 in dmc3 and 1 his DT completely changed depending on the weapon he used and it’s never really talked about lol. Only theory I can come up with is maybe it only changes for certain weapons or maybe his DT changes as he gets older
@@Sci-FiKaiI think i read somewhere that devil arms have influence over whomever wields them. Dmc4 and onwards dante has matured to the point where he can fully control the powers of devil arms
@@MrCool-zu1zs That would be cool and I’m pretty sure I’ve read that somewhere as well I gotta go through scans and weapon bios anyway for another DMC video so hopefully I can find that statement
@@Sci-FiKai Some of the details are from the books and not in-game. Especially for DMC2 and DMC3. It's also why Dante sells his Devil Arms & Guns, and never shows up with it in the next game, lore wise... To pay the Bills of his building. Nero is also interesting in how Devil Trigger evolves. V as well if he was a few generations later down the line from Sparda.
I would argue that the Qliphoth fruit Urizen ate was many times more potent than the one Mundus ate, as it was formed in the human world in a month, whereas the one Mundus ate was formed int he Demon Realm over a thousand years (iirc), and was likely nowhere near as packed with human blood.
I have a headcanon idea for the main difference between the two SDT modes: For Dante, he's going in all raw and brute force, putting all his strength in that form for immensely overwhelming attacks. Its so strong that Dante can only pull it off using his devil sword, arguably his strongest weapon, AND not being able to exit the form willy-nilly until he gets the hang of it (that being increasing the style level) As for Vergil, he's more focused on flexibility and agility. He wants to be fast, quick, and versatile, and his SDT offers him that, as he can use his whole arsenal and snap in and out of his form quite freely. As for it being limited to time, I'd believe it's because the fruit isn't quite enough to grant him that much of immense power permanently. Dante had to combine the rebellion, devil sword sparda and HIMSELF all together to get his SDT.
The way I see it, Dante needs the DSD in his possession in order to Sin Devil Trigger. He can however, still use his normal DT without the DSD. Dante is also noticeably exhausted after using his SDT, because he has to absorb the swords power and combine it with his DT, which his body is not powerful enough to handle for long. Vergil on the other hand, can't use his normal devil trigger anymore, because his normal DT is now his SDT (and Doppelganger is a completely separate ability.) Vergil / Urizen ate the qliphoth fruit, enhancing his demonic abilities and forming his SDT. Although Nico's reports say Vergil absorbs the Yamato, I don't think he needs to, and his use of his other weapons displays that he likely absorbs it to store it, similar to how his DT in the older games, has a spot specifically for the Yamato built into his DT.
I like this explanation that statement in Nico’s reports always confused me because he clearly still wields the Yamato as he always has and that would explain why his normal DT was replaced.
Vergil's was Devil Trigger in Nico's Report for vanilla, it specifically says DT and not SDT and just a more evolved DT, they even make it clear Dante has a DT & Sin DT and Nero too has a DT, not a Sin DT. Capcom only called Vergil's DT Sin DT in the Special Edition to please fans but wasnt supposed to be that.
If you dont know what yamato is for some new ones its bascially a katana that can cut through Realilty and space time and can even consume healing factors.
I've notes that Dante's devil trigger looks similar to Beilel from D.M.C.4 and Vergil's devil Trigger looks similar to a Kaiju from pacific rim has anyone else notes that and if so why is that
Actually in Japanese DMC 2 manual and guidebook, Majin form isn't official name and they called it "Shin Majin" which is translate as Shin Devil Trigger. So basically Dante by what already shown(in manga) is already have this form, but SDT from DMC 5 are just upgrade version of DMC 2 since SDT from DMC 2 is based from Rebellion power.
@@Sci-FiKai not a retcon or anything, he already have this form but hate to use it. That is why his SDT currently have 4 wings because it's mixed with DT and SDT
Majin DT in DMC2 also mentions that Dante or Vergil would have to lose their Humanity in order to pull it off. Which is why you could only use this form when you're below critical health. Majin DT still exists in DMC5 (lore wise) but Dante or Vergil would only activate it if all options failed. Assuming, however, if they even need to activate MDT. Since DMC1 Vergil who got controlled by Mundus was being foolish in DMC3 rather than fighting for his life.
Its curious because through the games Vergil always sought strength within himself and Dante always found it through others (Lady, Thrish, Devil Arms, etc.) To awake the Sin Devil Trigger Dante awoke through instrospection, accepting his demon heritage and vergil awoke through the qliphoth fruit, an outside source.
This is going to sound weird, but the way Vergil split himself reminds me of something that happened in the Hulk comics where Bruce and Hulk were physically split into two separate people.
I think so far based on what I seen and official information that I read that two things that Dante and Vergil did required that is a huge amount of power and their swords
An observation I've made is that Dante and Vergil get their Sin DT from embracing and integrating the thing they once rejected. In dmc3: Dante says: "Father? I dont have a father. I just don't like you that's all." In response to Vergil saying: "Why do you refuse to gain Power? The power of our Father Sparta?" Strongly implying he has disowned his father for what ever reason. Here in dmc 5: Dante unlocks his SDT by absorbing the Sparda sword. Vergil rejects his humanity (he literally cuts that part of himself off with the Yamato) and gains power from the Qliphoth fruit (which is made from *_human blood_* ) and later from V.
Sin D.T is the brothers true forms. The Sin D.T makes them as strong as their father Sparda, that's why the sword chose Dante and changed its name to Devil Sword Dante because Dante finally surpassed his father.
Points to clarify : -Devil trigger was their true form of both Dante and Vergil ... However once their power both increased their transcended that and unlock their Sin Devil triggers takin the role of their "new" true form - since they are their true form they don't require anything to transform they just do it when ever they please -Gameplay wise the difference is that Dante rather use his as a last resort (which is basically never needed since he is that powerful , he only used it on both urizens to end the fights quickly and stop his brother) , while Vergil always hasn't been stranger of displaying his full power to anyone -also them exiting and entering dt or sdt I'm gameplay has always been a balance mechanic ... In reality they could stay on their devil triggers all them time if they wished , however it will be to inconvenient, this is further reflected on the ending where even after fighting Dante and right after Nero while already exhausted Vergil still transforms into SDT to fly down the qliphot -also I know the comparison of Goku was there to explain the the difference in power .... But Dante and Vergil on their base forms are stronger that dainshinkan and zen-o -we don't know how strong sdt really is , however we know that at least dmc2 Dante devil trigger is a 10x multiplier for his base form which seems low compared to shit like db multipliers on top of multipliers .... However Dante and Vergil at base already are beyond anything in db verse currently , and Vergil and Dante increase in power massively on their base forms ( also fun fact in the gap between Dante first fight with urizen and where V found him he got stronger since he unconsciously was absorbing blood from the qliphot)
Yo man, grear video!! So, Vergil main over here too, but on this power I have a contrast issue. I love Vergil Moves, but I think that the desing of Dante is a little better, I would dare any designer to get a fusion of both, like, imagine Dante's sin DT, but instead of red power, replace it with dark blue, and incorporate the change-weapons' sistem. Let me hear you bro.
Yeah I actually think the devs had to go out of their way in multiple cases to stop Dante and Vergil from being to OP in gameplay and even after all the limits they put on them they’re still overpowered 😭
i like to think dante stabs himself with the devil sword dante because he can somewhat focus the power into the transformation, It clearly isnt exactly EASY to transform, or maintain the form, so i could see it being like a power focus to transform. even tho he can do it at anytime but with great effort.
I wonder how other demons could get sin devil triggers like Nero how would he get his or if another half demon half human hybrid would get the sin devil trigger would they have to get it like how Vergil did or would they have to get Dante’s sword and stab themselves with it
Appropriate that you compare Devil Trigger and Sin Devil Trigger to Super Saiyan and Super Saiyan God (I would've said Super Saiyan 4), because the entire plot of Urizen wanting to eat from the apple of the Qliphoth reminds me so much of Turles and The Tree of Might.
I got to state the facts Dante's sin Devil Trigger is more relevant to sparda as in Virgil more close to mundus do remember as in Devil May Cry the first one Virgil was enslaved and Dante had achieved a form that was similar to Sparda's form devil so Dante's sin Devil Trigger is more powerful virgil's form due to potentially that Dante actually absorbed the sparda sword merging two devil essences his and sparda
I like to think when Dante’s most fired up he can transform into sdt at will without stabbing himself hence why you can only auto transform at triple s
I do have a theory for why dante can’t get in and out of sdt like vergil can. I basically think that he doesn’t know how. So we know dante always rejected his devil side and only now did he accept it, so what if because of that he doesn’t have full control over his demonic side. And only does when he has Triple S because he’s so laser focused that he does it at will and doesn’t even think about…
Dante has to stab himself with DSD to absorb him, if you look at Vergil the blue things on his arms are Yamato on the right arm and the sheath on the left ( in all of his sheathing animation in SDT Vergil will sheath the Yamato in the blue thing on his left arm )
All the weapons in the entire series that are either made of or by demons are named after those demons. Gilgamesh, Artemis, Cavalier, these are all bosses you fight in dmc5, Gilgamesh was a devil arm in 4, Artemis was in either 2 or 3, I can't recall exactly which. Balrog was a devil fought in a prequel comic, beaten by dante so bad he decided to join with Dante specifically because he wanted to fight (that's Balrog's voice we hear when wielding those fists of fire). The Devil Sword Dante is just... literally named after Dante, who is half devil. My understanding was the SDT forms were literally the brothers finally achieving their full true identities, and thus their weapons were formed just like every other high level devils form weapons. I think the only reason why we have a Devil Sword Dante and not a Devil Sword Vergil is because for all intents and purposes the Yamato IS vergil. Hell even when Nero was using the Yamato in 4 he did so by conjuring a stand (i refuse to think of it as anything else) that absolutely mimiced Vergils DT form from 3.
Im not sure if this is right or not but i remember reading somewhere that Vergil unlocked his sin devil trigger while their childhood house was being attacked. which sorta explains how Vergil can control his sdt better as he unlocked it years before and has trained with it. it said the way he unlocked it was during a fight with demons on the playground in the front yard.
Dante unlock his SDT by just stabbing himself with the broken Rebellion, while absorbing the Sparda sword he had❤️ Vergil unlock his SDT by eating the Qulipoth fruit, to gain more power, with Urizen & V fusing back together as Vergil, giving a new transformation💙 Now for Nero. It would had to be something that his grandfather left behind, prior to his death. Which would help Nero to fulfill the promise he made to his uncle & father. Unless it would be the power of a love one who knows how to get through him in a crisis🩵
Dante summons a black hole in sin devil trigger also red is a better color in my opinion 😀 Makes u feel like a real devil when u have sss u switch in an out off dt explosions the spiral singer It feels like ur playing as a final boss almost .
@EightUltra I know this a bit late but I've been brainstorming lately Dante turns into dt an gets combo extensions too with blades So makes me think his sin dt is better since it unlocks a whole new move set for him where vergil is stuck doing shit he can do in regular form 🤔 🤷 Call the power scalers in here now 😆
@@slaveknightdante6207 I would say it more demonstrates their personalities Dante is all about going wild and crazy unleashing all his power at once. Vergil is precise and uses his SDT in perfectly timed small bursts as he needs to. Also I actually have a power scaling video on them lol 🙏
Fun fact, Dante most of the times don't like his demon side so he cannot full control his SDT and that is show as Dante don't speak as SDT he just make some brething sounds while Vergil like very much and trained his demon side so Vergil have full control of his SDT that is why he can still talk normally and use his other weapons
Dante is more of a power house for his SDT i wonder in the future dmc games if they still have dante and vergil cannon since nero will most likely be the main from now on, unless we see them in the demon realm, if he would have new styles of fighting for his SDT or if itll stay the same. Vegril using all his abilities and having some extra moves and effects to his attacks makes him cooler but less of a power house than dante in gameplay. Except if u were to spam ult moves over. Hopefully we get a DMC6 and see where it goes from there, im curious to how they will go about it. Overall, Dante and Vergil r basically equal in lore standards and could be more powerful than their father.
well, my first dmc was dmc5 SE, and i'm a sucker for characters like vergil so i turned into a vergil main (also i suck like hell with dante; even to this day i'm to stupid at using RG or properly switching his styles mid combat :/)... gameplay wise i prefer Vergils SDT but design wise i think i like Dante's SDT more
You picked a great place to start (you should def play the others except for 2. 3 is considered by most to be just as good as 5 and 1 and 4 are both 8/10 games themselves. I’m pretty solid with Dante, but he has SO MUCH to use I rarely use gunslinger and when I go a long time without playing him I need a lot of practice to get back into the groove. Dmc3 is actually my favorite version of Dante to play because you’re limited to 1 style and 2 weapons. Most people prefer the complete freedom of Dante in 4 and 5 and I can understand why but I’m so much more proficient with him in 3. But yeah ultimately I’m by far the best with Vergil.
For Dante. Sticking to Rebellion + Ivory & Ebony is the same Dante from 1 to 4. But mainly 3 and 4, for consistency. If you're learning how to play Dante.
I wonder if it’s the case that Vergil is just more used to using his powers and that’s why he doesn’t need to go out of his way to do things like Dante might. Vergil had DT basically since he got attacked when Mundas sent his demons and wiped out his parents.
Also one thing to note is that Dante has way more SDT specific abilities than Vergil does. Vergil just gets extensions on his combos. So I wonder if they’re fundamentally different. It’s like Dante’s is an explosion of all his demonic power using all of it quickly with massively powerful attacks and Vergil uses his in very controlled and precise bursts. Could all just be for gameplay purposes though. I’d imagine narratively they’d want them to be pretty much equal.
All right, now that I watched your video... It's good. I expected you would mention DMC2 Dante SDT, but it's not a big deal. That stock "like and subscribe" was a bit cringe, but I'm not a marketing professional to know how to do better, don't listen to me. Regarding the topic... Before I start, please be aware that I am a Dante main and my further analysis is absolutely passive aggressive towards gameplay Vergil provides, regardless of how absolutely right I am. So... When it comes to the concept of SDT, it doesn't matter as much in the cutscene narrative as it does in gameplay narrative. SDT is an extension of brothers, revealing their priorities in combat, and by extension in life. Vergil's SDT allows him to keep all his moves while giving them more speed, power, longer combos and an ability to use multiple super moves even consecutively, while allowing to turn SDT off at any moment. This informes us of Vergil desire for power and control, obviously, but also his wish to dispose of the enemies as efficiently as possible. Vergil's combat at it's core is about absolute domination over enemies, giving them no chance to retaliate, basically toying with them and feeding to Vergil's ego- his motivation gauge. But this gauge also represents this character's... outer character. Vergil is pretentious, to the point that he does not allow the player to have control over him, something he values. Think, whenever you do something cool as Vergil, it's all about his animations, his style, his screencleaners are just mini cutscenes about how strong he is, and through pure damage the rating congratulates you with triple S. Pure Vergil fantasy. Of course, you can switch weapons, cancel aerial moves (cancel stab of world of V into a combo), and properly use Vergil's advanced clone, but it betrays his role, his fantasy that plagued him for so long, the fantasy of "cool and cold and motivated anime swordsman" so many people seem to like him for. It's all misguided, both fans perception and and Vergil's of himself. I hope he gets rid of that motivation gauge, he doesn't need it, Vergil is just an edgy goof. I can't say which Vergil you would prefer to play as, but I know what many people steer towards, what devil may cry is about, what devil may cry is... Dante's SDT is not a separate mode, in which he gets nuts and DMCs all over the screen, no, it's a reward for starting it all. Playing Dante feels like a strange sort of rush. You, the game, Dante, everyone knows you can just use Faust or SDT anytime to end the fight whenever you want. You won't, this is not what you entered this fight for. So you struggle, manage to contain an array of weapons and styles in your hands, create creative solutions on the spot, never the same, always finding new combat opportunities. The enemies seem so slow, they can't catch up, they will never get away, you already tricked them. Every time they attack, you are flooded with possibilities of their humilation, the more stylish- the better. Then you get caught, but even getting hit was part of the show, just another way for you to launch them into an infinite barrage of bullets and blades. Until you get to triple S. You've done it. Now it's time to rock. There's nothing you can't do, your speed is unmatched, your strength allows you to eliminate showstoppers with a snap of fingers, you stop everyone annoying, fire meteors, swing a giant blade, evade anything you want to, drill through hordes on demand! And all this is on top of what you could. So you go into overdrive, where no enemy, no boss in video games history can hope to match you. And you just get faster, faster and stronger. Soon even the style meter becomes a limiter to you- the game you play has no chance to keep up with your style, "smoking" and "sexy" is not enough to truly describe what you are doing as Dante, and the code is barely keeping up with how you are doing it. A hit or even time between combat is not enough to stop you now. There is no limit at that point. Your coolness surpasses anything a super or fatality or any cutscene can show. And yet, that's not all Dante is. Vergil and Dante are the same in that. Finale of DMC5 was basically about that, both of their extremes, their SDTs, needed to be tamed not to finish each other, stopped by someone who is just being himself, so they can be that too. It's poetic that the only fight where power is truly needed is against Dante, and the only opponent to keep up with absolute rock is Vergil. So yeah, this video of yours is all right, but why would you do such short-form content? (Also I hate this site, it deleted my previous version of this comment :(
I agree to an extent, though also disagree on some points. I think the concentration gauge is perfect, one of the best ideas ever conceived for an action character in the way it forces you to play as the character would fight. Vergil is calm cold and calculated. The meter fills by standing still and dodging attacks as well as landing attacks. Both Dante and Vergil’s SDT’s reflect themselves in how they use them which is demonstrated in gameplay. But narratively they have their own reasons as well. Dante’s SDT is an explosion of wild uncontrolled power released and used all at once. Vergils SDT is best used in precise, thought out and controlled bursts saving the final screen clearing attacks for the finisher. All DT transformations are followed by significant character development. In DMC3 it was Dante losing to Vergil, accepting his role as a son of Sparda, his duty to hand his families business and protect the human world. In DMC5 his SDT is the result of surpassing his father and no longer taking his mantle but creating his own. Vergils is a result of all the intersection that V did. Doubting himself, understanding that the path he has walked may not have been the correct one, etc. Nero’s was learning that he had biological family after thinking he was an orphan, family being the overarching theme of the entire series. (Also Dante doesn’t have an SDT in DMC2, the DT in that game is referred to as his Majin form (Demon being a rough translation for Majin but it’s only considered a normal DT) Also I just want an excuse to talk about DMC lol, but seriously, it’s really experimenting and seeing what I want to do. There’s so many forms of content I want to try and so many things I want to do. I refuse to box myself into one content style, or one game, or one genre, I’ve tried that before and I just can’t do that.
@@Sci-FiKai wonderful opinion on content-making, with it there will be no mental barriers to hinder your success. When it comes to DMC, yes, I guess motivation gauge is a good mechanic, but most of the time it's just a buff, you don't really work towards achieving lvl3. Overall I think my point is just that I'm so glad that I play Dante and he is so so much cooler and more interesting, wow, it just feels so great. I honestly might have issues with unconditionally hating most "anime" swordsmen with katanas. This issue was extrapolated by me making longsword and gun users in monster hunter my arch enemies.
@@DYNAMIC20002 I main Vergil but I love Dante to lol. Just personally for me Dante has so much to work with that a lot of it gets wasted with me, I tend to stick to Trickster and Swordmaster 90% of the time despite being able to use the other two styles pretty competently I also love the ability to go in and out of SDT constantly. It just goes so hard. Beowulf is also my favorite weapon in the entire series. Dante used to be my favorite for a very long time until I played as Vergil for the first time in DMC4. Also with the concentration gauge I agree you normally don’t have to work for it, as long as you’re playing good that is. I no damage all the bosses on DMD so it’s pretty rare I have to pay much attention to it but starting out if you want those big screen clearers you really gotta lock in. Funny enough I’m usually not a fan of the “katana” anime swordsmen. Always been more of a long sword/great sword guy myself. Vergil is just the exception for me. It also helps that the Yamato cuts through dimensions, that shit is so cool.
I believe it's not a gameplay mechanic. I do believe Dante has to stab himself Lore wise to unlock his SDT and the gameplay helps to explain it. Base dante is not briming with demon energy, which is the requirement to unlock SDT. Stabbing yourself with Devil Sword Dante umbues you demon power to meet that requirement. But dante can gain that power on his own if he keeps fighting enough. Reaching SSS rank means dante fought so much that he's brimming with demon energy, so he's good and warmed up to unleashed SDT on his own without DSD.
Originally I did like Dante’s form more but Vergil’s really grew on me and now it’s my favorite I just wish the Yamato got a cool new form like DSD did
@@Sci-FiKaiI totally understand Vergil's SDT is like a F22 fighter jet lol so cool. But vergil is my favorite gaming character that wont change ever. But Dante SDT is just so demonic looking👌
@@Darkslayer1993 yeah Dante’s looks really insane especially when he spreads his wings out with the summon swords around him it looks godly I wish we got a shot for Vergil that was that crazy 🔥
@@Sci-FiKaiU are right though Vergil uses his SDT far more efficiently than Dante does. So Vergil's SDT is better overall plus the super moves Dante has in his SDT doesnt do nearly as much damage as Vergil's does. For example Dante's Judgement move or his Demolition move. To Do the demolition move dante basically sacrifices 40 percent of SDT bar to kill one enemy and his Judgement moves takes an entire bar and does like 1600 damage checked in void mode. Vergil on the other hand does judgement cut end which outdamages Dante's Judgement and vergil can do 4 in one bar. And there is hell on earth to which is basically the most damaging move in the game.
Unpopular opinion: Personally I don't like the design for Vergil's DT form in DMC 5. First the over the top jagged design simply doesn't fit his personality and style of fighting. It does fit with Dante's actual over the top personality and his show off nature and way of fighting put not Vergil's cool, cold and collected persona. In my opinion Vergil's final true demon form should have been more tonned down and look somewhere between Nero's DT design and Urizen's final form, but without all the extra eyes, all the horns and instead of Nero's angelic features, a callback to the order of Sparda, Vergil's could have some ethereal elements/features since in that game Vergil's attacks are visually complemented with ghost like ethereal effects. Then there's the World of V thing. V's familiars are supposed to be manifestations of Vergils trauma from when he became Nelo Angelo and effectively Mundus slave. They should permanently disappear after Dante, Vergil's more human brother, beat them and thus riding Vergil of his trauma. Having them return for that one "special" move kinda implies that a) he's trauma is still there and that b) both V and Urizen can still return and thus risking making that character progression meaningless. My fanmade solution to that is to have Vergil, on the fanmade form I gave earlier, be able to summon two "demon shadows/henchmen", kinda like he summons spectral weapons, one with Beowulf's powers and an appearance that is a mix of Vergil's dt and Beowulf's and another demon dual wielding swords just like Vergil sometimes double wields the Yamato and Force Edge in combat while Vergil himself, in his true demon form, fights exclusively with the very "human made looking" Yamato. This would serve as a nod to Vergil reintegrating his humanity by a) the previously mention sdt description, his use of a human like weapon and the fact that he can summon demons just like his human half V; and b) him being able to summon demons would also serve as a nod at his powers as a pseudo demon king since his new powers came from consuming the same apple that gave birth to the last demon king.
i think that was just cutscene whenevr dante transformed on the fly because thats gameplay and when you get quadruple sss you can transform faster and not have the cutscene
honestly wish dante's sdt had more depth, it only has a handful of moves. quad S is cool and all but not really worth using in an actual fight unless you're up against a boss.
Yeah against most encounters unless you’re on DMD by the time you get to triple S everyone is almost dead. And exactly when you enter into his SDT he wasn’t last just has a bunch of big ultimate moves. That’s why I’ve always preferred Vergils you can use it a lot more precisely and creatively
I have a simple answer to which one I like more and that is that I don't have a favorite, they are meant to do different things so it would be like compairing apples and oranges so its just not fair and besides they are both a blast to use so who gives a shit
vergil can all his weapons cause its his body power merging with yamato as a powerup but dantes is just cause of his fusion also dantes is better for me because he can fly (in game) and in game vergil can not so sdt is just devil trigger on crack
i think Dante is just being dramatic or flashy when using sdt in game. cause he can summon his sword whenever he wants which means it's always inside him whenever not in use. so if he can hide it inside him why would he need to stab himself to activate sdt? 🤣
As much as I loath DMC 2, since 5 is now after 2 story wise technically wouldn’t the first sin devil trigger be in 2? When Dante has 10% health or less when you devil trigger you become ALOT more powerful and you have a new looking form.
I did not think it that way. I more like asumed vergil had already mastered his own power that the "fruit" gave him just increase in power which helped him stay on par with dante's new power. I guess my money has always kinda being on vergil's side despite dante being the hero.
The Yamato can split man from devil the Rebellion can unite devil and man.
Vergil stabbed himself looking away from the portrait of his father during the dead of Night. Dante stabbed himself facing the portrait of his father during the peak of Day
Dante the Weapon juggler uses one sword In his form. While vergil who uses only three weapons gain additional moves with them.
For the First time Vergil reflected like a human would of his past. For the First Dante searched for Power like a Devil would.
The Devil had embraced his Humanity.
The Human had embraced his Demonic Heritage.
They finally accepted the part of themselves they were running away from for a long time.
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Canonical wise...
For Dante... Majin DT in DMC2 is still there and Shin DT in DMC5 can still use Devil Arms.
For Vergil... His standard DT still exists back in DMC4 and his Majin DT has yet to be shown. Seeing as both brothers have the same power sets.
Of course, for Dante. Outside of Devil Arms that he sells to pay for his electric bills. All of his power ups from DMC1 up to DMC5 is still there. Same goes for Vergil... And akin to Dante, Vergil can craft his own Devil Arms but prefers to stick with his 3 Devil Arms + only Summon Swords, given Doppelganger.
Knowing that their Father, Sparda, who created the Yamato and the Rebellion. And knowing Mundus, who created an entire infinite space universe to fight Dante and who created Nightmare to which he added a limit to in order to avoid Nightmare from obliterating all of Hell. On top of Demonic Energy being boosted by Human Blood. Demonic Energy (to which all Demons are Conceptual Manifested Entities) and with all Souls being 5th Dimensional at base... Dante and Vergil have greatly surpassed both Sparda, Mundus, and Argosax.
Also because Demonic Energy application is cracked OP, lore wise.
This also means that Dante's Styles such as Royal Guard Dreadnought Form in DMC4 still exists. As well as adding in new styles should the brothers desire it.
Dante and Vergil still has potential and they could craft their own Devil Arms from their own power without the need of using Demons/Concepts Manifested. If they are smart as to not divide their power into their Devil Arms.
Which says a lot about Nero since he's 1/3rd of Sparda's bloodline. Although, given V and given that the Human World was once one with the Demon World before Sparda sealed off the Demon World. Future generations of Sparda's bloodline may end up being weaker than the first or the second gen.
Which poses a question... Since Demons are actually Conceptual Entities and all Souls are 5th Dimensional... Are humans a very far off lineage of Demons???... Given the lore of DMC, I propose that it is the case. Especially with regards to DMC4, and that many people with a Devil Trigger have existed before dying in a great battle in DMC2, against a powerful demon during Sparda's time.
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In conclusion: THIS. IS. POWER!
NOW I’M A LITTLE MOTIVATED
@@Sci-FiKaiIf you want it then you'll have to take it
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@@Sci-FiKai How Many times have we fought?
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Vergil’s bio in Nico’s reports says he needs to absorb Yamato into his skin before he can use his SDT.
REALLY? That’s interesting I’m gonna have to look into that
@@Sci-FiKai it is specifically on his special edition charcter bio I do believe.
Plus the flames coming out of the end of his elbows are speculated that it is the true form of Yamato
@blakehatfield7328 Yup. The report goes a little more specific and says something like he's gotta fuse it into his arm to start the transformation(probably just the sheath since he still uses Yamato normally). And iirc it says that his arm/elbow spikes result from it bring absorbed, the shape of them I mean.
Not that he *HAS* to, it's just part of the process, that he and Yamato become one. It's *his* weapon and power after all.
While DSD is Dante's power and will materialised, Yamato is the Talisman of Vergil's pride and power. DSD is always inside Dante and he summons it out, Yamato is always tight on Vergil's side and always becomes part of him in DT.
Canonically, after Dante Is knocked out by urizen for a month he was laying in human blood which would power him (and is also why his hair grows longer after that mission) and after unlocking sun devil trigger and DSD, Dante destroys stage 3 urizen in his human form.
I don’t think human blood was the defining factor in Dante’s power up to SDT. Cuz Dante wasn’t exactly lying in a pool of blood when V found him after retrieving the Sparda, but rather on top of a statue. And the claim of blood causing his hair to grow longer is irrelevant as hair does naturally grow significantly longer on its own if a month were to pass.
I say that the real defining factor for Dante’s power up was from him absorbing his two inherited devil arms, the Rebellion and the Sparda. Cuz after all, ever after Urizen ate the qliphoth fruit, a fruit grown from human blood that supposedly grants you power to become like Mundus, in order to evolve to his final Urizen stage, he still lost single-handedly to Dante’s SDT in the end.
no, also remember Dante is mix of human and demon, demons gaining power from human blood, the human blood that's inside his, Vergil's and Nero's body constantly feeding them more power, also Dante is like 50 in dmc5, his hair is not gonna grow that much in a month. stage 3 urizen losing to Dante (in human form) shows that urizen is weaker than Dante because Dante is both human and demon urizen is just demon. to quote dmc4 Dante "you surrendered your humanity, its that simple." and "humans possess something that demons don't."
that thing presumably being emotions and good judgment which urizen also lacks as he's pure demon as shown when he says to Dante during the fight "how are you so powerful? You never lost anything." which is wrong, Dante has lost a lot over the series but shows demons urizen hasn't got Vergil's memories, only his pure strength however Dante has both
Dante having his hair grow longer and coming back stronger before he unlocks SDT was explained in the gallery. Nico mentioned how he was concealed by the presence of the Sparda. And it was also steadily imbuing him with power in that same time. Sure human blood might help a little, but the majority factor in his recovery was the Sparda. And once he's awakened from this state(hence why gallery calls it the Awakened Dante model) and unlocks SDT, that's why it changed just how powerful he was. He was already getting juiced from proximity to the Sparda since he had the capability of wielding it. Anything else beyond direct observations more an inference on the matter.
@@newfoundwisdom8532 It wasn't the Sparda that infused him with power. It was the Qliphoth which mistook Dante for Urizen-Vergil's demon half and the demon king at the time because they are twins and formed a throne which infused him with power the same way the Qliphoth roots around Urizen infused him with power.
@@RealLotto Buddy, I know what I said. Read up on the gallery again. Come back after you pay attention this time.
Stabbing himself is infact a gameplay machine.
Its a punishment, because if you get triple S style ranking and then transform, dante doesn't stab himself.
He can just transform instantly.
I think Sin Devil Trigger is the true form/power of human-demon hybrids.
When Dante transforms, he’s merging with the Devil Sword. Merging man and demon with Rebellion’s power.
Vergil only obtained SDT after V and Urizen reunited, literally merging a man with a demon. Thats probably why he doesn’t have a regular DT anymore, the merge in this case was Vergil being reborn so it was permanent.
But it also makes sense why Vergil and Dante still need their swords to transform. DSD is merging Dante’s human and demon halves together. Vergil on the other hand is absorbing the Yamato to “cut” through the barrier between his human and demon side, similar to how the Yamato can make portals between the human and demon world.
I definitely agree with this because whenever Dante used Doppleganger in dmc3 and Vergil uses it in DMC5 it’s always their DT or SDT. Which imo is implying that form is their true self.
Also in Nico’s reports it refers to SDT’s as their “True Form”. Like what they were always meant to be and the pinnacle of what they can be.
@@Sci-FiKai It is also stated on one of Dante's character cards in TEPPEN™, that he fused man and devil into their "ultimate form". Which as you stated, confirms SDT to be the final form for hybrids, just the japanese name "Shin Majin"- Form implies.
Yeah, they're like Bleach characters in a way where their sword is their power but also spirit of the soul etc.
The reason why I think Vergil’s SDT can be used so normally compared to Dante, is I think because it fully replaces his normal DT as the one. Vergil already had a much more powerful version of his regular DT so he doesn’t have a reason to keep it around whereas Dante can still enter his normal DT mode.
Very true but I wonder why he doesn’t have a normal DT anymore. Or maybe he does but they just replaced it with doppelgänger yo make him different from Dante gameplay wise?
@@Sci-FiKai That’s also what I think so too. The power gap between S and normal was just so huge that Vergil saw no point in using normal anymore.
Vergil's SDT is his DT just hyped up with the quiphoth fruits powers. Its literally the same except wayyyy more powerful
@@Sci-FiKaieither Vergil got his DT juiced up to look like SDT or he uses only SDT, because this is more powerful, then, the only choice
That would actually be so cool and in character for Vergil for him to scoff at using a lesser form of power lmfao @@Ravil322
I think Dante's devil powers are destruction and hellfire, while Vergil's are speed and lighting. That's why Dante in his SDT using destructive abilities and hellfire, instead of his base moves, because his SDT abilities are much stronger and Vergill just regularly fighting, but he's faster and stronger.
Solid theory 👍
Great video, I've been very intrigued by the SDT forms since the release of this game. I hope we could see how strong they really are in the future.
Same they’re so sick and I really wanna see a hype team up moment of SDT Dante and Vergil
Something I noticed with Vergil’s fighting style in comparison to Dante. When Vergil uses the normal DT gauge, he summons a clone of himself. Unlike Dante, who transforms into his normal Devil Trigger form.
So when Dante uses Sin Devil Trigger, his moveset is completely changes and sticks to the Devil Sword Dante. Vergil transforms into Sin Devil Trigger like he does with a normal DT and his moveset isn’t locked like Dante’s. Vergil can use other weapons in his SDT form.
I love how this shows how different the sons of Sparda are.
Not the most in depth video but it covers everything you need to know on a basic level and I feel there isn’t enough of that in the DMC space. The fact I could go on for probably an hour about DT and SDT is a testament to that. But I think it’s important to have something exactly like this is needed because looking up “Sin Devil Trigger Explained” will lead to a lot of lore explanation and it’s a lot to consume at once.
Tl;dr I love the size and detail here I think it’s great.
Thank you very much! I’ve watched similar videos to this for other fandoms like Naruto and DragonBall. Where there’s a ton of lore and powers than can get complicated, so a content creator will make a bunch of bite sized videos explaining individual aspects of the series.
That doesn’t really exist for DMC so I decided it would but cool to make, though I will be making long form DMC content as well. 🤝
@@Sci-FiKai with how well spoken you are and clearly you’re getting your points across here I look forward to it!
@@BrisketSurge Your kind words are much appreciated hearing positive feedback like this for a small channel still figuring things out means the world 🙏
In my opinion (i hope)
Dante's SDT was basically born very recently and he cant fully control it properly like Vergil can and because of his newfound power, Dante's SDT has just been awakened and the power scaling is sort of off balance, its like the SDT is another Dante taking over and it doesnt want to use the other weapons he has and only using the Devil Sword Sparda to maintain the form for a good amount of time before turning back to Dante
Meanwhile Vergil on the other hand, his SDT was already activated when he got fused with Yamato turning into Urizen and already got a good comprehension of his SDT and can switch in and out of it because he knows his power and thats why he can switch to other weapons he has
Yeah and I think the fact that he fuses with the Yamato plays a big part because him and the sword have been one for a very long time at this point he knows the Yamato like the back of his hand so it may come very naturally to him
And Dante's Devil Sword Dante with his SDT is basically like giving Dante easy controls on his mode
i dont think vergil fuses with the yamato, since his crystal is the yamato. i think vergil unlocked sdt in a way by eating the qlipoth fruit
Well it's a little more complicated Dante has always had sin/majin devil trigger it's just he could only access it when near dead his first time Awakening the power was in the DmC 3 manga but because Dante is almost never in danger that's why we usually don't see Plus at that point in time it was pretty much a a berserker form but now thanks to the sword of Sparta it pretty much permanently awaken the power and the power boost allows Dante to control it rather than losing control like it's implied he does and devil May cry 2
He doesn't lose control of it, but rather another Dante is taking over in his SDT mode but Dante can still control it but barely since his SDT is kind of a wild card and unpredictable when using it and that's why when Dante uses his SDT mode it seems to be like someone taking over him for a bit to use the power and releasing back so it doesn't hurt Dante in any way (probably if Dante were to stay in the SDT mode for too long, the SDT could swallow him from the inside, thus losing control over it)
Since seeing SDT's moves and attacks it seems to be like a unrestrained monster while Vergil is precise and focused when fighting
I think the devs didn't have the time to implement a SDT moveset for Vergil so it basically just replaced his normal DT because it functions very similar to his DT in DMC 4 where it extended his moveset, gave him access to screen clear moves like JCE and heals him. (At a reduced rate)
Maybe in DMC 6 if they ever make it they will give Vergil his own SDT moveset or they will keep it this way because otherwise he would play to very similar to Dante.
Exactly these are my thoughts as well I’m excited to see what changes in dmc6 👀
I feel like this could be backed up with the early vergil dt designs in the concept gallery.
I think they should add a few moves to Vergil's SDT, he should at least be able to fly like Dante, he has wings after all.
Vergil doesn't need a regular DT anymore and it doesn't fit his character to "hold back" when going DT means getting serious. With Doppelganger taking over the DT spot, Concentration Meter already buffing all of Vergils attacks, THREE Super Moves and World Of V being around as a Get-Out-Of-Jail-Card, what porpose would a regalur DT separately from STD even bring to the table? The devs probably realised that and scratched those rehular DT designs.
DMC5 Vergil and Dante are the most completed versions of the characters and absolutely at their peaks. The devs would do more good to focus on developing Nero, V's replacement and the girls.
Nah I think SDT + Doppelganger is just Vergil's intended combo that makes him more unique
Great video man keep it up , so as a Dante main I think Dante’s sdt is about freedom (rebellion if you will) he frees his inner demon letting lose and doesn’t confine himself to his usual self (weird as that may sound ) he is no longer a goof who kicks ass (though he still can be ) he shows how serious he can be when time calls for it , thus freeing himself from himself in order to achieve his ultimate power (whereas Vergil is controlled like a disciplined warrior and not a force of nature , it is even hinted at with their abilities Dante’s black holes his sparda finisher ,meteors he is no warrior just a force of nature )
Exactly and I think it’s a good representation that here we have Dante, who can beat all these super powerful demons while not trying, so what happens when he actually tries?
He has an explosive amount of demon energy and can easily annihilate anything with minimal difficulty and massive flashy destructive ultimate attacks,
Whereas Vergil is reserved and precise going in and out of SDT at the perfect moment and never using all of his power all at once
Also thank you so much man 🤝
Completely agree , they duality if the brothers is in full display as well as how they compliment each other as characters and rivals , looking forward to a future video where you ll be touching upon that as well
@@gokujimis You won’t have to wait to long 🙏
That's probably because, despite what it's called, Vergil doesn't actually have an SDT.
It's just his powered up DT.
No, it's stated that it's his SDT.
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Reread my comment.
@@virhilios3789does sin devil trigger just change appearence slightly or drastically like you can see dantes devil trigger change a lot when its sin devil trigger
and vergil just looks the same just that some parts are glowing more and he looks more white and blue
@@The_Real_SmolOrTem The same as what? Letting that aside, the japanese trailer of the SE stated clearly that it's his Shin Devil Trigger.
@@virhilios3789 vergils devil trigger is the same just that the black is blue or white now
this makes me feel a little better about how both brothers got the same powerup but one had to do a whole big ritual while the other got it by stabbing himself.
Dante, going through the easy route of fusing the rebellion and Sparda, has little control over this form.
while Vergil, for his effort of growing and eating the Qliphoth, has maximum control over it.
I also think it complements their personalities very well to.
Dante’s is hard to control and an explosion of power.
Vergils is precise and controlled bursts of power.
@@Sci-FiKai it's worth noting that while Dante has a wider variety of power in his SDT form, shooting fireball, shooting homing projectile, and creating a black hole. His power is fully unleashed and there's no holding back.
Vergil never really used those same powers, all of his finishers are from his weapons, Judgment Cut End, Hell On Earth, and Deep Stinger are powers from the weapons, not his SDT.
We never really saw him fully unleashing his power like Dante.
Pretty sure Dante's regular DT doesn't exist anymore lore-/cutscene-wise and is a gameplay only feature since then. This is his final form after all, uniting his entire self under his command.
Responding to an old comment here so you might already know this but if you use regular dt in the fight against urizen 2 he actually comments on how dante is using an inferior form which makes me think dante can still use regular dt
@@kadlus9781 Interesting detail! And it actually adresses the issue pretty well:
Why would Dante canonically use the inferior form, should he still have access to it?
In Vergil's case it's obvious - he doesn't pull his punches, so SDT is the go-to and he has no need for the regular DT, with Doppelganger in the bag.
In Dante's case, just like in Nico's files, Dante activating his DT, means he got serious and isn't pulling any more punshes. So outside of gameplay, him canonically using the regular DT post-Urizen 2, would be just... very odd.
One argument, I can think of, is him hesitating on going SDT, so that his enormous power doesn't cause unnecessary collateral damage. But I personally would take even that explanation with a grain of salt.
@@solracstormhunter3023 the answer probably lies somewhere in the dmc manga tho i could be wrong. Its also dante were speaking of, hes totally the kind of guy to use normal dt for fun judt to insult his opponent lol. I also think dante is somewhat reserved in using his demonic forms as he doesnt really care about his demon side, with the exception of SDT being one of dantes only times where he actually seeked power himself. Its a curious issue, but dmc's story is always somewhat out there sometimes.
@@kadlus9781 The part of using it as an insult sounds lkie something Dante would do, but thn again, DT is what he taps into when he gets serious. Even in cutscenes and the Anime, Dante only goes DT as a serious measure. What Capcom needs to clarify, is if SDT is a natural evolution, or a separate thing canonically, since until now, DT was portrayed as a personal growth between games and only vastly variating when external sources, like different Devil Arms were at play.
Dante not caring for his demonic side, though, was more of a DMC3 thing. After DMC3 what he wanted to distance himself from, was the _worldbreaking power,_ that was unseparable from his demonic side. It's not like he contempted his demonic part, it's that he kept it at arms length, never letting it take over his human side.
From DMC1 onwards he shows he has respect for his demonic side and demons in general, being able to identify good demons like Trish, Lucia and the lovebird guy from the anime, showed _mercy_ for harmless and beaten demons like Sid, _honour_ towards demons like Griffon, Nelo Angelo and Berial and _sympathy& towards V's familiars after their fight and only showed _contempt_ towards cruel demons like Mundus & Urizen. Especially towards the former humans Agnus & Sactus he showed a form of pity, like he was standing in front of misguided fools. It's a side of Dante I hear few peoole mentioning, when it comes to Dante's relationship with his demonic side.
I wonder if Nero is going to get a SDT someday. And how strong he'd be
I wanna say that might be possible for dmc6, but that might be to soon. Also unsure if Hybrids can achieve it as well but there’s nothing saying they can’t so far.
@@Sci-FiKai I could be wrong but I think they're going to push the narrative of hybrids having more potential similar to how hybrid Saiyans are in Dragon Ball
@@BlazedApplesyeah they already kinda are because in the dmc4 Novel Dante says he thinks Nero is stronger than him with the Yamato at the end of 4.
Now DT Nero is right under SDT Dante and Vergil so I’d be surprised if he didn’t straight up surpass them in the best game 😊
@@Sci-FiKai Aren't Dante and Vergil already hybrids?
@@Synrune yeah which would explain them being so strong as well, but it might also be a DragonBall Saiyan type of deal where every generation has more potential than the last. Which in this case would be Nero
Okay to explain why Capcom knew what they were doing with Nero having his form DT and not Sin DT is because the form in 4 is a Yamato DT, we even see in 3 Dante and Vergil have a Beowulf DT but obviously Nero's Yamato DT will just be his new & natural-based DT with Yamato at his disposal, wouldnt really look good if it had the Avatar included with his new Devil Bringer (the Wings).
to summarize all of it.... I AM MOTIVATED, there is NO ESCAPE!
SCHUM!!
I hope in future we see different versions of sin dt with different weapons.
That would be awesome like if Dante could use diff weapons in SDT in DMC6 or something
I like that their SDT's function differently. I've always hated the idea of Dante and Vergil essentially being clones of each other who use all the same forms and weapons. I like that they fight and use their powers differently.
Has Dante's SDT/Majin form from DMC 2 ever been fully explained or is it just supposed to be an Easter egg? 💀
It’s kinda not explained why his DT changes in literally every game. 💀 in dmc3 and 1 his DT completely changed depending on the weapon he used and it’s never really talked about lol.
Only theory I can come up with is maybe it only changes for certain weapons or maybe his DT changes as he gets older
@@Sci-FiKaiI think i read somewhere that devil arms have influence over whomever wields them.
Dmc4 and onwards dante has matured to the point where he can fully control the powers of devil arms
@@MrCool-zu1zs That would be cool and I’m pretty sure I’ve read that somewhere as well I gotta go through scans and weapon bios anyway for another DMC video so hopefully I can find that statement
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Some of the details are from the books and not in-game. Especially for DMC2 and DMC3.
It's also why Dante sells his Devil Arms & Guns, and never shows up with it in the next game, lore wise... To pay the Bills of his building.
Nero is also interesting in how Devil Trigger evolves. V as well if he was a few generations later down the line from Sparda.
I would argue that the Qliphoth fruit Urizen ate was many times more potent than the one Mundus ate, as it was formed in the human world in a month, whereas the one Mundus ate was formed int he Demon Realm over a thousand years (iirc), and was likely nowhere near as packed with human blood.
I have a headcanon idea for the main difference between the two SDT modes:
For Dante, he's going in all raw and brute force, putting all his strength in that form for immensely overwhelming attacks.
Its so strong that Dante can only pull it off using his devil sword, arguably his strongest weapon, AND not being able to exit the form willy-nilly until he gets the hang of it (that being increasing the style level)
As for Vergil, he's more focused on flexibility and agility. He wants to be fast, quick, and versatile, and his SDT offers him that, as he can use his whole arsenal and snap in and out of his form quite freely. As for it being limited to time, I'd believe it's because the fruit isn't quite enough to grant him that much of immense power permanently. Dante had to combine the rebellion, devil sword sparda and HIMSELF all together to get his SDT.
The way I see it, Dante needs the DSD in his possession in order to Sin Devil Trigger. He can however, still use his normal DT without the DSD. Dante is also noticeably exhausted after using his SDT, because he has to absorb the swords power and combine it with his DT, which his body is not powerful enough to handle for long. Vergil on the other hand, can't use his normal devil trigger anymore, because his normal DT is now his SDT (and Doppelganger is a completely separate ability.) Vergil / Urizen ate the qliphoth fruit, enhancing his demonic abilities and forming his SDT. Although Nico's reports say Vergil absorbs the Yamato, I don't think he needs to, and his use of his other weapons displays that he likely absorbs it to store it, similar to how his DT in the older games, has a spot specifically for the Yamato built into his DT.
I like this explanation that statement in Nico’s reports always confused me because he clearly still wields the Yamato as he always has and that would explain why his normal DT was replaced.
Vergil's was Devil Trigger in Nico's Report for vanilla, it specifically says DT and not SDT and just a more evolved DT, they even make it clear Dante has a DT & Sin DT and Nero too has a DT, not a Sin DT. Capcom only called Vergil's DT Sin DT in the Special Edition to please fans but wasnt supposed to be that.
Love the lore explanation but I also love your stylish gameplay, rock on!🤘
If you dont know what yamato is for some new ones its bascially a katana that can cut through
Realilty and space time and can even consume healing factors.
Bias or not, Vergil is designed to encourage using SDT. I think he charges the gauge faster too.
I've notes that Dante's devil trigger looks similar to Beilel from D.M.C.4 and Vergil's devil Trigger looks similar to a Kaiju from pacific rim has anyone else notes that and if so why is that
Actually in Japanese DMC 2 manual and guidebook, Majin form isn't official name and they called it "Shin Majin" which is translate as Shin Devil Trigger.
So basically Dante by what already shown(in manga) is already have this form, but SDT from DMC 5 are just upgrade version of DMC 2 since SDT from DMC 2 is based from Rebellion power.
That’s kinda weird then. So did Dante lose the power after dmc2? Or maybe it’s a retcon?
@@Sci-FiKai not a retcon or anything, he already have this form but hate to use it.
That is why his SDT currently have 4 wings because it's mixed with DT and SDT
Majin DT in DMC2 also mentions that Dante or Vergil would have to lose their Humanity in order to pull it off. Which is why you could only use this form when you're below critical health.
Majin DT still exists in DMC5 (lore wise) but Dante or Vergil would only activate it if all options failed. Assuming, however, if they even need to activate MDT. Since DMC1 Vergil who got controlled by Mundus was being foolish in DMC3 rather than fighting for his life.
@@absolstoryoffiction6615 that is PDT not Majin, which basically supposed to shown in DMC 4 but get scrapped because the game is unfinished.
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I see... It's still very similar, given the details.
Its curious because through the games Vergil always sought strength within himself and Dante always found it through others (Lady, Thrish, Devil Arms, etc.)
To awake the Sin Devil Trigger Dante awoke through instrospection, accepting his demon heritage and vergil awoke through the qliphoth fruit, an outside source.
Bang, bang, bang, pull my devil trigger.
This is going to sound weird, but the way Vergil split himself reminds me of something that happened in the Hulk comics where Bruce and Hulk were physically split into two separate people.
I think so far based on what I seen and official information that I read that two things that Dante and Vergil did required that is a huge amount of power and their swords
Id like to say it’s the complete version of the majin form
An observation I've made is that Dante and Vergil get their Sin DT from embracing and integrating the thing they once rejected.
In dmc3: Dante says: "Father? I dont have a father. I just don't like you that's all." In response to Vergil saying: "Why do you refuse to gain Power? The power of our Father Sparta?"
Strongly implying he has disowned his father for what ever reason.
Here in dmc 5: Dante unlocks his SDT by absorbing the Sparda sword.
Vergil rejects his humanity (he literally cuts that part of himself off with the Yamato) and gains power from the Qliphoth fruit (which is made from *_human blood_* ) and later from V.
Sin D.T is the brothers true forms. The Sin D.T makes them as strong as their father Sparda, that's why the sword chose Dante and changed its name to Devil Sword Dante because Dante finally surpassed his father.
You know know what's crazy?, the crazy is the boost reference is like dragon ball super Saiyan boost is the same reference boost up
Points to clarify :
-Devil trigger was their true form of both Dante and Vergil ... However once their power both increased their transcended that and unlock their Sin Devil triggers takin the role of their "new" true form
- since they are their true form they don't require anything to transform they just do it when ever they please
-Gameplay wise the difference is that Dante rather use his as a last resort (which is basically never needed since he is that powerful , he only used it on both urizens to end the fights quickly and stop his brother) , while Vergil always hasn't been stranger of displaying his full power to anyone
-also them exiting and entering dt or sdt I'm gameplay has always been a balance mechanic ... In reality they could stay on their devil triggers all them time if they wished , however it will be to inconvenient, this is further reflected on the ending where even after fighting Dante and right after Nero while already exhausted Vergil still transforms into SDT to fly down the qliphot
-also I know the comparison of Goku was there to explain the the difference in power .... But Dante and Vergil on their base forms are stronger that dainshinkan and zen-o
-we don't know how strong sdt really is , however we know that at least dmc2 Dante devil trigger is a 10x multiplier for his base form which seems low compared to shit like db multipliers on top of multipliers .... However Dante and Vergil at base already are beyond anything in db verse currently , and Vergil and Dante increase in power massively on their base forms ( also fun fact in the gap between Dante first fight with urizen and where V found him he got stronger since he unconsciously was absorbing blood from the qliphot)
You know I choose humanity keep my power on a dilo
Yo man, grear video!! So, Vergil main over here too, but on this power I have a contrast issue. I love Vergil Moves, but I think that the desing of Dante is a little better, I would dare any designer to get a fusion of both, like, imagine Dante's sin DT, but instead of red power, replace it with dark blue, and incorporate the change-weapons' sistem. Let me hear you bro.
Yeah I actually think the devs had to go out of their way in multiple cases to stop Dante and Vergil from being to OP in gameplay and even after all the limits they put on them they’re still overpowered 😭
i like to think dante stabs himself with the devil sword dante because he can somewhat focus the power into the transformation, It clearly isnt exactly EASY to transform, or maintain the form, so i could see it being like a power focus to transform. even tho he can do it at anytime but with great effort.
I wonder how other demons could get sin devil triggers like Nero how would he get his or if another half demon half human hybrid would get the sin devil trigger would they have to get it like how Vergil did or would they have to get Dante’s sword and stab themselves with it
Appropriate that you compare Devil Trigger and Sin Devil Trigger to Super Saiyan and Super Saiyan God (I would've said Super Saiyan 4), because the entire plot of Urizen wanting to eat from the apple of the Qliphoth reminds me so much of Turles and The Tree of Might.
This is such a W comparison very true lol
A true fan sticks to their player.. I’m sticking with Dante
I got to state the facts Dante's sin Devil Trigger is more relevant to sparda as in Virgil more close to mundus do remember as in Devil May Cry the first one Virgil was enslaved and Dante had achieved a form that was similar to Sparda's form devil so Dante's sin Devil Trigger is more powerful virgil's form due to potentially that Dante actually absorbed the sparda sword merging two devil essences his and sparda
I like to think when Dante’s most fired up he can transform into sdt at will without stabbing himself hence why you can only auto transform at triple s
Berserker Asura gonna run for his money
I do have a theory for why dante can’t get in and out of sdt like vergil can. I basically think that he doesn’t know how. So we know dante always rejected his devil side and only now did he accept it, so what if because of that he doesn’t have full control over his demonic side. And only does when he has Triple S because he’s so laser focused that he does it at will and doesn’t even think about…
Dante has to stab himself with DSD to absorb him, if you look at Vergil the blue things on his arms are Yamato on the right arm and the sheath on the left ( in all of his sheathing animation in SDT Vergil will sheath the Yamato in the blue thing on his left arm )
All the weapons in the entire series that are either made of or by demons are named after those demons. Gilgamesh, Artemis, Cavalier, these are all bosses you fight in dmc5, Gilgamesh was a devil arm in 4, Artemis was in either 2 or 3, I can't recall exactly which. Balrog was a devil fought in a prequel comic, beaten by dante so bad he decided to join with Dante specifically because he wanted to fight (that's Balrog's voice we hear when wielding those fists of fire).
The Devil Sword Dante is just... literally named after Dante, who is half devil. My understanding was the SDT forms were literally the brothers finally achieving their full true identities, and thus their weapons were formed just like every other high level devils form weapons.
I think the only reason why we have a Devil Sword Dante and not a Devil Sword Vergil is because for all intents and purposes the Yamato IS vergil. Hell even when Nero was using the Yamato in 4 he did so by conjuring a stand (i refuse to think of it as anything else) that absolutely mimiced Vergils DT form from 3.
The stand bares resemblance to Nelo Angelo
Then Nero's true DT form looks a lot like Nelo Angelo who just did the cast off command
Aka armor release
Further enforcing Nero to be Vergil's son
Im not sure if this is right or not but i remember reading somewhere that Vergil unlocked his sin devil trigger while their childhood house was being attacked. which sorta explains how Vergil can control his sdt better as he unlocked it years before and has trained with it. it said the way he unlocked it was during a fight with demons on the playground in the front yard.
That’s correct but that was his normal DT
Dante unlock his SDT by just stabbing himself with the broken Rebellion, while absorbing the Sparda sword he had❤️
Vergil unlock his SDT by eating the Qulipoth fruit, to gain more power, with Urizen & V fusing back together as Vergil, giving a new transformation💙
Now for Nero. It would had to be something that his grandfather left behind, prior to his death. Which would help Nero to fulfill the promise he made to his uncle & father. Unless it would be the power of a love one who knows how to get through him in a crisis🩵
Dante summons a black hole in sin devil trigger also red is a better color in my opinion 😀
Makes u feel like a real devil when u have sss u switch in an out off dt explosions the spiral singer
It feels like ur playing as a final boss almost .
Yeah you can absolutely obliterate enemies in seconds with Dante’s SDT🔥
@EightUltra I know this a bit late but I've been brainstorming lately
Dante turns into dt an gets combo extensions too with blades
So makes me think his sin dt is better since it unlocks a whole new move set for him where vergil is stuck doing shit he can do in regular form 🤔 🤷
Call the power scalers in here now 😆
@@slaveknightdante6207 I would say it more demonstrates their personalities
Dante is all about going wild and crazy unleashing all his power at once.
Vergil is precise and uses his SDT in perfectly timed small bursts as he needs to.
Also I actually have a power scaling video on them lol 🙏
I still find it funny that vergil's sdt is supposed to be equal to dante's. Like one is a BOOOM meanwhile the other is so tatical. It's pretty cool.
When the gameplay of a character matches their personality and how they would actually fight>>>>>>>>
Wish more games would do this it’s so peak 🔥
OK but is no one gonna ask where he got all the art work. Looks awesome!!!
Fun fact, Dante most of the times don't like his demon side so he cannot full control his SDT and that is show as Dante don't speak as SDT he just make some brething sounds while Vergil like very much and trained his demon side so Vergil have full control of his SDT that is why he can still talk normally and use his other weapons
Has everyone forgotten that Dante technically already had syn..it was his majin form in dmc 2
Dante is more of a power house for his SDT i wonder in the future dmc games if they still have dante and vergil cannon since nero will most likely be the main from now on, unless we see them in the demon realm, if he would have new styles of fighting for his SDT or if itll stay the same. Vegril using all his abilities and having some extra moves and effects to his attacks makes him cooler but less of a power house than dante in gameplay. Except if u were to spam ult moves over. Hopefully we get a DMC6 and see where it goes from there, im curious to how they will go about it. Overall, Dante and Vergil r basically equal in lore standards and could be more powerful than their father.
well, my first dmc was dmc5 SE, and i'm a sucker for characters like vergil so i turned into a vergil main (also i suck like hell with dante; even to this day i'm to stupid at using RG or properly switching his styles mid combat :/)... gameplay wise i prefer Vergils SDT but design wise i think i like Dante's SDT more
You picked a great place to start (you should def play the others except for 2. 3 is considered by most to be just as good as 5 and 1 and 4 are both 8/10 games themselves.
I’m pretty solid with Dante, but he has SO MUCH to use I rarely use gunslinger and when I go a long time without playing him I need a lot of practice to get back into the groove.
Dmc3 is actually my favorite version of Dante to play because you’re limited to 1 style and 2 weapons. Most people prefer the complete freedom of Dante in 4 and 5 and I can understand why but I’m so much more proficient with him in 3.
But yeah ultimately I’m by far the best with Vergil.
For Dante. Sticking to Rebellion + Ivory & Ebony is the same Dante from 1 to 4. But mainly 3 and 4, for consistency. If you're learning how to play Dante.
I wonder if it’s the case that Vergil is just more used to using his powers and that’s why he doesn’t need to go out of his way to do things like Dante might. Vergil had DT basically since he got attacked when Mundas sent his demons and wiped out his parents.
Also one thing to note is that Dante has way more SDT specific abilities than Vergil does. Vergil just gets extensions on his combos. So I wonder if they’re fundamentally different.
It’s like Dante’s is an explosion of all his demonic power using all of it quickly with massively powerful attacks and Vergil uses his in very controlled and precise bursts.
Could all just be for gameplay purposes though. I’d imagine narratively they’d want them to be pretty much equal.
Hell Yeah.
All right, now that I watched your video...
It's good. I expected you would mention DMC2 Dante SDT, but it's not a big deal. That stock "like and subscribe" was a bit cringe, but I'm not a marketing professional to know how to do better, don't listen to me.
Regarding the topic...
Before I start, please be aware that I am a Dante main and my further analysis is absolutely passive aggressive towards gameplay Vergil provides, regardless of how absolutely right I am.
So...
When it comes to the concept of SDT, it doesn't matter as much in the cutscene narrative as it does in gameplay narrative.
SDT is an extension of brothers, revealing their priorities in combat, and by extension in life.
Vergil's SDT allows him to keep all his moves while giving them more speed, power, longer combos and an ability to use multiple super moves even consecutively, while allowing to turn SDT off at any moment. This informes us of Vergil desire for power and control, obviously, but also his wish to dispose of the enemies as efficiently as possible. Vergil's combat at it's core is about absolute domination over enemies, giving them no chance to retaliate, basically toying with them and feeding to Vergil's ego- his motivation gauge. But this gauge also represents this character's... outer character. Vergil is pretentious, to the point that he does not allow the player to have control over him, something he values. Think, whenever you do something cool as Vergil, it's all about his animations, his style, his screencleaners are just mini cutscenes about how strong he is, and through pure damage the rating congratulates you with triple S. Pure Vergil fantasy. Of course, you can switch weapons, cancel aerial moves (cancel stab of world of V into a combo), and properly use Vergil's advanced clone, but it betrays his role, his fantasy that plagued him for so long, the fantasy of "cool and cold and motivated anime swordsman" so many people seem to like him for.
It's all misguided, both fans perception and and Vergil's of himself. I hope he gets rid of that motivation gauge, he doesn't need it, Vergil is just an edgy goof. I can't say which Vergil you would prefer to play as, but I know what many people steer towards, what devil may cry is about, what devil may cry is...
Dante's SDT is not a separate mode, in which he gets nuts and DMCs all over the screen, no, it's a reward for starting it all.
Playing Dante feels like a strange sort of rush. You, the game, Dante, everyone knows you can just use Faust or SDT anytime to end the fight whenever you want. You won't, this is not what you entered this fight for.
So you struggle, manage to contain an array of weapons and styles in your hands, create creative solutions on the spot, never the same, always finding new combat opportunities. The enemies seem so slow, they can't catch up, they will never get away, you already tricked them. Every time they attack, you are flooded with possibilities of their humilation, the more stylish- the better. Then you get caught, but even getting hit was part of the show, just another way for you to launch them into an infinite barrage of bullets and blades.
Until you get to triple S. You've done it. Now it's time to rock. There's nothing you can't do, your speed is unmatched, your strength allows you to eliminate showstoppers with a snap of fingers, you stop everyone annoying, fire meteors, swing a giant blade, evade anything you want to, drill through hordes on demand! And all this is on top of what you could. So you go into overdrive, where no enemy, no boss in video games history can hope to match you. And you just get faster, faster and stronger. Soon even the style meter becomes a limiter to you- the game you play has no chance to keep up with your style, "smoking" and "sexy" is not enough to truly describe what you are doing as Dante, and the code is barely keeping up with how you are doing it. A hit or even time between combat is not enough to stop you now.
There is no limit at that point. Your coolness surpasses anything a super or fatality or any cutscene can show.
And yet, that's not all Dante is. Vergil and Dante are the same in that. Finale of DMC5 was basically about that, both of their extremes, their SDTs, needed to be tamed not to finish each other, stopped by someone who is just being himself, so they can be that too.
It's poetic that the only fight where power is truly needed is against Dante, and the only opponent to keep up with absolute rock is Vergil.
So yeah, this video of yours is all right, but why would you do such short-form content?
(Also I hate this site, it deleted my previous version of this comment :(
I agree to an extent, though also disagree on some points.
I think the concentration gauge is perfect, one of the best ideas ever conceived for an action character in the way it forces you to play as the character would fight.
Vergil is calm cold and calculated. The meter fills by standing still and dodging attacks as well as landing attacks.
Both Dante and Vergil’s SDT’s reflect themselves in how they use them which is demonstrated in gameplay. But narratively they have their own reasons as well. Dante’s SDT is an explosion of wild uncontrolled power released and used all at once.
Vergils SDT is best used in precise, thought out and controlled bursts saving the final screen clearing attacks for the finisher.
All DT transformations are followed by significant character development. In DMC3 it was Dante losing to Vergil, accepting his role as a son of Sparda, his duty to hand his families business and protect the human world.
In DMC5 his SDT is the result of surpassing his father and no longer taking his mantle but creating his own.
Vergils is a result of all the intersection that V did. Doubting himself, understanding that the path he has walked may not have been the correct one, etc.
Nero’s was learning that he had biological family after thinking he was an orphan, family being the overarching theme of the entire series.
(Also Dante doesn’t have an SDT in DMC2, the DT in that game is referred to as his Majin form (Demon being a rough translation for Majin but it’s only considered a normal DT)
Also I just want an excuse to talk about DMC lol, but seriously, it’s really experimenting and seeing what I want to do. There’s so many forms of content I want to try and so many things I want to do.
I refuse to box myself into one content style, or one game, or one genre, I’ve tried that before and I just can’t do that.
@@Sci-FiKai wonderful opinion on content-making, with it there will be no mental barriers to hinder your success.
When it comes to DMC, yes, I guess motivation gauge is a good mechanic, but most of the time it's just a buff, you don't really work towards achieving lvl3.
Overall I think my point is just that I'm so glad that I play Dante and he is so so much cooler and more interesting, wow, it just feels so great.
I honestly might have issues with unconditionally hating most "anime" swordsmen with katanas. This issue was extrapolated by me making longsword and gun users in monster hunter my arch enemies.
@@DYNAMIC20002 I main Vergil but I love Dante to lol. Just personally for me Dante has so much to work with that a lot of it gets wasted with me, I tend to stick to Trickster and Swordmaster 90% of the time despite being able to use the other two styles pretty competently
I also love the ability to go in and out of SDT constantly. It just goes so hard. Beowulf is also my favorite weapon in the entire series. Dante used to be my favorite for a very long time until I played as Vergil for the first time in DMC4.
Also with the concentration gauge I agree you normally don’t have to work for it, as long as you’re playing good that is. I no damage all the bosses on DMD so it’s pretty rare I have to pay much attention to it but starting out if you want those big screen clearers you really gotta lock in.
Funny enough I’m usually not a fan of the “katana” anime swordsmen. Always been more of a long sword/great sword guy myself. Vergil is just the exception for me. It also helps that the Yamato cuts through dimensions, that shit is so cool.
Even though I'm a bit confused by some parts of this comment, I'm extremely glad I got to read it. It's genius.
@@Sincleaver
Thank you!
Dante is my favorite, I do like red more than blue
What if...
In next DMC Dante rebellion can absorb others Devil Army's, it would be nice...
Kinda unrelated bu i wonder how a SDT would look for lucia, i know dmc 2 is not really a loved game but i would still like to see
I always wanted to see a female SDT lol
Good video G
Thanks goat
I believe it's not a gameplay mechanic. I do believe Dante has to stab himself Lore wise to unlock his SDT and the gameplay helps to explain it.
Base dante is not briming with demon energy, which is the requirement to unlock SDT. Stabbing yourself with Devil Sword Dante umbues you demon power to meet that requirement. But dante can gain that power on his own if he keeps fighting enough. Reaching SSS rank means dante fought so much that he's brimming with demon energy, so he's good and warmed up to unleashed SDT on his own without DSD.
I wonder how can Nero get SDT, if he doesnt have special thing connected to him like Dante - Rebelion, Vergil - Yamato
Ins sure if we ever get a dmc6 or 7 they’ll find a way to give it to him
I like Both SDT of Vergil and Dante. But as a Vergil fan i admit i find Dante's SDT form more badass looking and Dante SDT form is my favorite.
Originally I did like Dante’s form more but Vergil’s really grew on me and now it’s my favorite I just wish the Yamato got a cool new form like DSD did
@@Sci-FiKaiI totally understand Vergil's SDT is like a F22 fighter jet lol so cool. But vergil is my favorite gaming character that wont change ever. But Dante SDT is just so demonic looking👌
@@Darkslayer1993 yeah Dante’s looks really insane especially when he spreads his wings out with the summon swords around him it looks godly I wish we got a shot for Vergil that was that crazy 🔥
@@Sci-FiKaiU are right though Vergil uses his SDT far more efficiently than Dante does. So Vergil's SDT is better overall plus the super moves Dante has in his SDT doesnt do nearly as much damage as Vergil's does. For example Dante's Judgement move or his Demolition move. To Do the demolition move dante basically sacrifices 40 percent of SDT bar to kill one enemy and his Judgement moves takes an entire bar and does like 1600 damage checked in void mode. Vergil on the other hand does judgement cut end which outdamages Dante's Judgement and vergil can do 4 in one bar. And there is hell on earth to which is basically the most damaging move in the game.
ok, but why did he have it in 2? something to do with the amulet?
What are your thoughts about Majin Form
I think sdt form first appearance in dmc 2
hands up who mods devil sword dante back to rebellion?
If I'm not mistaken, dante could use sin dt in dmc2
It really want the ability to use both Vergil's DT and his SDT and his Doppelganger. Vergil feels lacking compared to Dante without his DT
Yeah that would be awesome and I really wanna see his DT in the dmc5 style
@@Sci-FiKai me too! It looks so cool. And imagine if they added coop. How awesome would it be for you and your friend to power up.
Unpopular opinion: Personally I don't like the design for Vergil's DT form in DMC 5. First the over the top jagged design simply doesn't fit his personality and style of fighting. It does fit with Dante's actual over the top personality and his show off nature and way of fighting put not Vergil's cool, cold and collected persona. In my opinion Vergil's final true demon form should have been more tonned down and look somewhere between Nero's DT design and Urizen's final form, but without all the extra eyes, all the horns and instead of Nero's angelic features, a callback to the order of Sparda, Vergil's could have some ethereal elements/features since in that game Vergil's attacks are visually complemented with ghost like ethereal effects.
Then there's the World of V thing. V's familiars are supposed to be manifestations of Vergils trauma from when he became Nelo Angelo and effectively Mundus slave. They should permanently disappear after Dante, Vergil's more human brother, beat them and thus riding Vergil of his trauma. Having them return for that one "special" move kinda implies that a) he's trauma is still there and that b) both V and Urizen can still return and thus risking making that character progression meaningless.
My fanmade solution to that is to have Vergil, on the fanmade form I gave earlier, be able to summon two "demon shadows/henchmen", kinda like he summons spectral weapons, one with Beowulf's powers and an appearance that is a mix of Vergil's dt and Beowulf's and another demon dual wielding swords just like Vergil sometimes double wields the Yamato and Force Edge in combat while Vergil himself, in his true demon form, fights exclusively with the very "human made looking" Yamato. This would serve as a nod to Vergil reintegrating his humanity by a) the previously mention sdt description, his use of a human like weapon and the fact that he can summon demons just like his human half V; and b) him being able to summon demons would also serve as a nod at his powers as a pseudo demon king since his new powers came from consuming the same apple that gave birth to the last demon king.
i think that was just cutscene whenevr dante transformed on the fly because thats gameplay and when you get quadruple sss you can transform faster and not have the cutscene
Great video man
Thanks man I appreciate it 🙏
Clash royale ahh Vergil at thumbnail
That art is to peak 🔥
@@Sci-FiKai indeed 🗣️🔥
how tu use in short time sin devil trigger ? with out depleting ?
No one is saying that Vergil can just do it cause he simply ate the qlipoth fruit
That’s what gave him SDT
If I was in dmc 5 my sdt would be purple
Wtf was that triple super as SDT? You can do that without mods?
Yessir you just have to have enough of your SDT gauge to do it 🙏
You can do 4 supers in a row if you're quick
honestly wish dante's sdt had more depth, it only has a handful of moves. quad S is cool and all but not really worth using in an actual fight unless you're up against a boss.
Yeah against most encounters unless you’re on DMD by the time you get to triple S everyone is almost dead. And exactly when you enter into his SDT he wasn’t last just has a bunch of big ultimate moves. That’s why I’ve always preferred Vergils you can use it a lot more precisely and creatively
okay thanks for explaining, i still dont get it, but thanks
Lmao np 💀
I have a simple answer to which one I like more and that is that I don't have a favorite, they are meant to do different things so it would be like compairing apples and oranges so its just not fair and besides they are both a blast to use so who gives a shit
Show me your Motivation.
Now I’m feeling motivated 🌚
vergil can all his weapons cause its his body power merging with yamato as a powerup but dantes is just cause of his fusion also dantes is better for me because he can fly (in game) and in game vergil can not so sdt is just devil trigger on crack
Greetings
Question: Is there a way or costume that allows you to have unlimited sin devil trigger for Vergil?
Dante transform to hypebeast dante the bringer of drip
-by max0r
thumbnail?
From a Capcom mobile game called Teppen 🙏
i think Dante is just being dramatic or flashy when using sdt in game. cause he can summon his sword whenever he wants which means it's always inside him whenever not in use. so if he can hide it inside him why would he need to stab himself to activate sdt? 🤣
As much as I loath DMC 2, since 5 is now after 2 story wise technically wouldn’t the first sin devil trigger be in 2? When Dante has 10% health or less when you devil trigger you become ALOT more powerful and you have a new looking form.
Post the thumbnail link pls
Virgil is the goat
I did not think it that way. I more like asumed vergil had already mastered his own power that the "fruit" gave him just increase in power which helped him stay on par with dante's new power. I guess my money has always kinda being on vergil's side despite dante being the hero.
DANTE has 2 DEVIL TRIGGERS and VERGIL only has 1 in DEVIL MAY CRY 5, so Dante's is way stronger than Vergil