I just watched a video by Carter on how there's no need to flatten your stones. He goes into a 15 minute diatribe on why it's unnecessary. I guess he changed his philosophy when his buddy brought this new business opportunity to his attention. I have no problem with people changing their opinions, but Carter was pretty serious about doing things in the most organic and traditional way possible, so this is a bit of a money grab in my opinion. It doesn't mean the product is bad or anything, but I think we can stick with tradition and keep using our King stones and sharpening our blades like we've always done.
$2,040,- but you get two additional backing plates for free. I don't think they target the home cooks of this world. I wonder to what extent the result will be less when showing the same craftmanship with less expensive stones..
Are you suggesting that the pond and flattening stone is $900-$1k... the lapping / flattening stone is $585, without tax or shipping. Meanwhile, even powerhouse brands like Naniwa, Suehiro and Shapton offer you stones for less. Nano Hone works well, but I prefer Shapton Glass and Naniwa Chosera / Professional.
@@JDO358 - The result would be similar I think, if not identical (as long as the skill of the person doing the sharpening was equal). The stones are definitely geared towards people with money, or people in the industry that want a high-end sharpening system.
It is overkill but the theory still stands. This, I feel is for pro restaurants. I dont even like looking at anything but my king stones Anything else also abrades my bank account. But i like the aesthetics and the sharp is def real deal as real as it gets anywhere. And I am a pain on the behind. If you like the system, buy it. Good abrasives do save time for sure. And if you value your time, and love to sharpen. Your stones become your priced possessions. What do you bring out in a fire first, as a knife enthusiast? The stones? or the blades?
I love my king stones. I also think it's a bit of a joke that the price of an adhesive pad is so expensive, along with other parts of the kit. The pond alone is insanely expensive. I do like the backing plates, and they would prolong and protect the life of a stone, but they're just too expensive. It would be cheaper to glue a thin stone to a glass plate at home.
This is perfect method. But i think reason of thinning knife each time while sharpening it keeps the cutting edge in its same geometry. And keeps it from getting wider each time you remove metal. So area behind the age increases each time if you dont thin it.
The secondary bevel will become wider. So more surface area. More drag . The shiny surface that starts with 1 mm will go wide upto 5 mm in some cases of thick knives. And it will be no longer a micro bevel.
Just another sharpening-system that do nothing else than the good old..... Looks nice and great colors, thin plates that wear out quickly. Less for the money.
Harry Halvstiv, The Norwegian King stones are affordable, but they’re very soft compared to other stones. Nano Hone stones, I presume, are much harder stones
It's 50/50. Many people don't know who they are and they are also selling this product. By making themselves official, IE touting their credentials, it makes it more believable. They're selling you validity and the product. They go on to show you the methods in depth on the following chapters. Glad I could lay it out for you.
Goes with my comment that he's a pretentious fraud. Anyone who claims to be descended from 17 generations of blade smiths is just a self-obsessed narcissist, so naturally what he loves talking about more than anything is himself.
If you adopt the "last molecule" principle, why you you use a coarse abrasive for the first steps, which requires you to buff out deep scratches? Using a finer abrasive will take more time but will use less metal. You wouldn't want to give the impression that your method is designed to use up knives and require more stones...
Murray Carter, As a practiced amateur genealogist, I have to call you out on your claim to be a "17th generation blade smith". I've traced my family history back to the mid 1600s, which is 8 generations for my family, and while I know how easy it is to go back to the mid 18th century, I also know how difficult it is to go back much further, due to the absence of personally identifying information maintained by the authorities of that time. If records of births or baptisms before 1538 are available at all, they might identify names, but certainly not details which enable one to know with any confidence whether a recorded baptism or marriage is the person you're looking for or not. Records from that time simply do not identify personally identifiable information , unless you're from a royal family - in which case they weren't blade smiths. Going back 17 generations is a major stretch, and not at all credible. Even Queen Elizabeth could not do that, and I very much doubt that your family history is better documented than hers! Surnames developed earlier in China and India than in western Europe, but judging by your appearance you are neither Chinese nor Indian. As an inhabitant of North America your ancestry is most likely English, possibly German. Compounding this difficulty is the extreme odds against any single occupation persisting through 17 generations. Just wouldn't happen. In summary then, I challenge you to support your claim to be a 17th century blade smith. Not buying it for a moment. If you respond that you family history was determined by a professional researcher, I'd say that you wasted a lot of money in pursuit of a hugely pretentious (and impossible) claim. Sorry, mate, but the conclusion is inescapable: you're an outright fraud.
@@justinlowry8305 What I put on full display is the extreme difficulty you will have in supporting your pretension to 17 generations as blade smiths. I hope you're not going to report an oral family tradition to that effect. That would be even more laughable. I repeat my challenge for you to produce any evidence you may have to support your assertion. You don't necessarily have to convince me. If you have evidence that would persuade someone with any understanding of family history, I will happily bare my bum in Bourke Street. Until then, I hold to my position that you are a pretentious fraud. Over to you!
Those knives are very dull, and his three fingers test is very stupid. Moving your fingers laterally on a sharp knife is not a good idea. He just have very thick skin and dull knives.
I do think even there might be some "untrue words" in here that he knows how to sharpen and how to test...if you don't want your own experience to be questioned by people not knowing you don't question others. I think you're a little rude here and that's just not fair...:/
How else would you test the sharpness of your knife?😂that’s how you know you need to just find another thing to watch because your points are not valid on this video. That is the quickest and best way to test the sharpness of your blade, only a retard would cut themself
Murray Carter doesn't disagree right away on flattening stones... What a change!
I like the 3 finger test. I noticed you use the left hand. Like me the fingers on my left hand are more sensitive.
Feels like an infomercial. Why do I suspect that the cost of this system is substantial?
I just watched a video by Carter on how there's no need to flatten your stones. He goes into a 15 minute diatribe on why it's unnecessary. I guess he changed his philosophy when his buddy brought this new business opportunity to his attention. I have no problem with people changing their opinions, but Carter was pretty serious about doing things in the most organic and traditional way possible, so this is a bit of a money grab in my opinion. It doesn't mean the product is bad or anything, but I think we can stick with tradition and keep using our King stones and sharpening our blades like we've always done.
$2,040,- but you get two additional backing plates for free. I don't think they target the home cooks of this world. I wonder to what extent the result will be less when showing the same craftmanship with less expensive stones..
Are you suggesting that the pond and flattening stone is $900-$1k... the lapping / flattening stone is $585, without tax or shipping. Meanwhile, even powerhouse brands like Naniwa, Suehiro and Shapton offer you stones for less. Nano Hone works well, but I prefer Shapton Glass and Naniwa Chosera / Professional.
@@JDO358 - The result would be similar I think, if not identical (as long as the skill of the person doing the sharpening was equal). The stones are definitely geared towards people with money, or people in the industry that want a high-end sharpening system.
It is overkill but the theory still stands. This, I feel is for pro restaurants. I dont even like looking at anything but my king stones Anything else also abrades my bank account. But i like the aesthetics and the sharp is def real deal as real as it gets anywhere. And I am a pain on the behind. If you like the system, buy it. Good abrasives do save time for sure. And if you value your time, and love to sharpen. Your stones become your priced possessions. What do you bring out in a fire first, as a knife enthusiast? The stones? or the blades?
I love my king stones. I also think it's a bit of a joke that the price of an adhesive pad is so expensive, along with other parts of the kit. The pond alone is insanely expensive. I do like the backing plates, and they would prolong and protect the life of a stone, but they're just too expensive. It would be cheaper to glue a thin stone to a glass plate at home.
Love knife sharpening. I have a bunch of ceramic stones. I would love this system but its simply too expensive.
This is perfect method.
But i think reason of thinning knife each time while sharpening it keeps the cutting edge in its same geometry. And keeps it from getting wider each time you remove metal. So area behind the age increases each time if you dont thin it.
The secondary bevel will become wider. So more surface area. More drag . The shiny surface that starts with 1 mm will go wide upto 5 mm in some cases of thick knives. And it will be no longer a micro bevel.
In mexico we call thinning, "descachetar", literal translation, thinning the cheeks.
Good stuff
So a more expensive Carter backed Shapton Glass? I mean I feel empowered enough already xD System is cool but the price is ridiculous
Yeah, total infomercial. I really enjoyed your real content, I had good expectations for this video. That just did not happen.
Just another sharpening-system that do nothing else than the good old..... Looks nice and great colors, thin plates that wear out quickly. Less for the money.
Harry Halvstiv, The Norwegian King stones are affordable, but they’re very soft compared to other stones. Nano Hone stones, I presume, are much harder stones
Most sharpening videos talk about sharpening not them selfs for the first 30 percent of the time
It's 50/50. Many people don't know who they are and they are also selling this product. By making themselves official, IE touting their credentials, it makes it more believable. They're selling you validity and the product. They go on to show you the methods in depth on the following chapters. Glad I could lay it out for you.
Goes with my comment that he's a pretentious fraud. Anyone who claims to be descended from 17 generations of blade smiths is just a self-obsessed narcissist, so naturally what he loves talking about more than anything is himself.
What do you two not agree on?
I'm still confused on the time I saw you guys stropping against the stone. Now it's the J-strop?
douglas dietrich I think the j stands for remember to cover you mouth while coughing or something. Kind of hard to follow.
Just go back to king
If you adopt the "last molecule" principle, why you you use a coarse abrasive for the first steps, which requires you to buff out deep scratches? Using a finer abrasive will take more time but will use less metal. You wouldn't want to give the impression that your method is designed to use up knives and require more stones...
e entendido que es la 17 generacion de herreros estaunidense?por que seria imposible..digo yo
Dang this was awkward
I thought Murray didn't advocate flattening stones? At least he didn't in the advanced video so why do we all need to flatten stones now?
Murray Carter,
As a practiced amateur genealogist, I have to call you out on your claim to be a "17th generation blade smith". I've traced my family history back to the mid 1600s, which is 8 generations for my family, and while I know how easy it is to go back to the mid 18th century, I also know how difficult it is to go back much further, due to the absence of personally identifying information maintained by the authorities of that time. If records of births or baptisms before 1538 are available at all, they might identify names, but certainly not details which enable one to know with any confidence whether a recorded baptism or marriage is the person you're looking for or not. Records from that time simply do not identify personally identifiable information , unless you're from a royal family - in which case they weren't blade smiths. Going back 17 generations is a major stretch, and not at all credible. Even Queen Elizabeth could not do that, and I very much doubt that your family history is better documented than hers!
Surnames developed earlier in China and India than in western Europe, but judging by your appearance you are neither Chinese nor Indian. As an inhabitant of North America your ancestry is most likely English, possibly German.
Compounding this difficulty is the extreme odds against any single occupation persisting through 17 generations. Just wouldn't happen.
In summary then, I challenge you to support your claim to be a 17th century blade smith. Not buying it for a moment.
If you respond that you family history was determined by a professional researcher, I'd say that you wasted a lot of money in pursuit of a hugely pretentious (and impossible) claim.
Sorry, mate, but the conclusion is inescapable: you're an outright fraud.
You not only wasted your time typing all that, you put your ignorance on full display. It has nothing to do with genealogy.
@@justinlowry8305 What I put on full display is the extreme difficulty you will have in supporting your pretension to 17 generations as blade smiths. I hope you're not going to report an oral family tradition to that effect. That would be even more laughable.
I repeat my challenge for you to produce any evidence you may have to support your assertion. You don't necessarily have to convince me. If you have evidence that would persuade someone with any understanding of family history, I will happily bare my bum in Bourke Street. Until then, I hold to my position that you are a pretentious fraud. Over to you!
Those knives are very dull, and his three fingers test is very stupid. Moving your fingers laterally on a sharp knife is not a good idea. He just have very thick skin and dull knives.
I do think even there might be some "untrue words" in here that he knows how to sharpen and how to test...if you don't want your own experience to be questioned by people not knowing you don't question others. I think you're a little rude here and that's just not fair...:/
How else would you test the sharpness of your knife?😂that’s how you know you need to just find another thing to watch because your points are not valid on this video. That is the quickest and best way to test the sharpness of your blade, only a retard would cut themself