Apple fans, start typing your angry comments now… M2 Ultra Mac Studio Review

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    Apple’s Mac Studio got an upgrade with M2 Ultra. But all is not what it seems over at Apple’s marketing department… Is it truly a worthy successor to M1 Ultra?
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    CHAPTERS
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    0:00 Intro
    2:00 Initial impressions and specs
    3:35 GPU Benchmarks vs Apple's claims
    5:36 It gets worse when we bench against an RTX 4090
    7:12 CPU benchmarks vs a Core i9-13900K
    8:56 There are still some weird performance bugs
    10:20 Apple maybe told the truth here?
    11:13 Power efficiency is king
    12:39 Thermal testing - Silence trumps performance for Apple
    14:20 Expansion
    15:25 Value & Conclusion
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  • @LinusTechTips
    @LinusTechTips  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2529

    Corrections:
    3:01 - The M1 Ultra CPU has 16p/4e cores, not 16p/8e.
    7:32 - The i9 13900K has 8 performance cores and 16 efficiency cores, not 16 performance cores and 8 efficiency cores.
    7:16 - The numbers shown for the MacBook Pro 16 M2 Max are incorrect and are actually the numbers for the i9 13900k, as shown on the following graph at 7:23, where the numbers are accurate.
    10:17 - There was a misunderstanding; Blackmagic Design hadn't replicated our results.

    • @highplayz3655
      @highplayz3655 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +163

      Apple workers are going to bully you in the comment section

    • @maxtheflyingdutchman23
      @maxtheflyingdutchman23 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +48

      Could it be that Apple compares the M1 vs M2 based on equal power input? This could lead to larger deltas rather than measuring absolute CPU speeds?

    • @Lily-cd4fx
      @Lily-cd4fx 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +28

      btw in the description it says geforece instead of Geforce. Just a simple typo but thought I should lyk

    • @EviGL
      @EviGL 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +40

      The second correction makes it worse for Apple, since it's now slower than the Intel chip with half the performance cores.

    • @CNormanHocker
      @CNormanHocker 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      I have noticed, and completely agree that Apples is snail slow. I switched to Apple, due to my last three PCs bricking less than a year after purchase. The Apple computers lasted me for multi-years.

  • @Luzgar
    @Luzgar 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +8137

    No apple, you cannot use a random number generator for the graphs, even if it is very convenient.
    And yes, you need to label your axis, even if it doesn't look as good.

    • @AyushTH
      @AyushTH 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +56

      lmao

    • @Random_dud31
      @Random_dud31 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +152

      Apple : hahahahahahah. No

    • @AtLeastTryALittle
      @AtLeastTryALittle 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +329

      Oh, and... one more thing. Here at Apple, we are proud to bring you GRAPHS. Our engineers have been hard at work removing every axis label to give it a clean, streamlined experience that will revolutionize the way you use data.

    • @GeekyViking
      @GeekyViking 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +61

      And yet people buy there shit and Apple keep doing it

    • @YawnMK1
      @YawnMK1 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +28

      The used AI to generate their testing environment. Tags "we win, blue and purple, accuracy optional"

  • @taruninja881
    @taruninja881 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2992

    This is why we NEED independent reviewers to look at products and test them against the claims of the manufacturer (even if they make it impossible with vague wording so they can't be called liars) and why I was so excited to hear about LTT starting up the Lab.

    • @bablela26
      @bablela26 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +115

      Yes but that doesn't really apply to Apple lol, the people who buy Apple don't watch these videos, if they where, they wouldn't buy apple products XD

    • @taruninja881
      @taruninja881 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +36

      @@bablela26 True but the more people around them that know better, might help them to see they are being mislead/wrong.

    • @bablela26
      @bablela26 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      ​@@taruninja881that was a joke btw XD everyone if free to do what they want, if they can afford it, there is no need to stop them buying overpriced things.
      They simply just don't care about performance and the like, I don't even know why Apple keep this in their presentation, it's probably fir the shareholders to see they are doing something lol

    • @Atomy111
      @Atomy111 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      It doesn't matter tho apple people will still buy em 😅

    • @tbard
      @tbard 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      Or stricter laws against false or misleading claim. Or even both, both would be best.

  • @varunrajamane
    @varunrajamane 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +140

    The fact that LTT Labs can now test performance at different ambient temperatures is great. Living in a relatively hot part of India (35 degC - 40 degC ambient ) with no air conditioning, I remember not being able to play high performance games in the summer due to excessive stutter. The same games used to work great during the monsoon and winter months.

  • @ShadowProductions94
    @ShadowProductions94 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +310

    As a photographer and 3D generalist, I had been saving for a year and a half to purchase the Mac Studio with top-notch specs, including 2 TBs with the M2 Ultra chip. However, it turned out to be ridiculously expensive. Little did I know, I could build my own custom PC. With the same budget, I managed to get a fully loaded RTX 4090, an i9 13900K, a whopping 192GB of RAM, and 4TBs of storage. Plus, the added advantage of being able to upgrade my computer in a few years. I am absolutely thrilled with my choice!

    • @PG-24
      @PG-24 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +31

      wow, but 192 gb of ram is oveerkill for even 3d rendering tasks,

    • @tomaszzalewski4541
      @tomaszzalewski4541 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Few questions: How many RAM sticks do you need to have 192 gb of Ram?? What is the motherboard you are using? Some server model?

    • @studiodevis
      @studiodevis 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      @@tomaszzalewski4541 4X48GB DDR5 /// all 690 or 790 MB with DDR5 support max 192 GB

    • @Teluric2
      @Teluric2 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      ​@@PG-24some hollywood producers use 512GB ram.

    • @Tech-geeky
      @Tech-geeky 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      @@PG-24 future-proof?? Apple hardware isn't' tupgradable today.

  • @Joeysmith256
    @Joeysmith256 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +10640

    I can't believe apple is making the rtx 40 series look like a great value

    • @bablela26
      @bablela26 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +450

      I can't believe a 3.5k vr headset makes meta 1.5k vr headset less of a absurd price XD
      It's still a absurd either way XD
      Same with Apple pricing and Nvidia pricing XD

    • @helloukw
      @helloukw 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +218

      Well to be fair apple was way worse back in the day, this is actually their best value ever. Remember the 50k USD Mac Pro?

    • @arnox4554
      @arnox4554 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      And this is partly why Apple needs to die and why everyone should stop entertaining their ridiculously overpriced anti-consumer products.

    • @fynkozari9271
      @fynkozari9271 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Apple largest market is America. Why do americans keep buying their products? Overpriced and low tech scam.

    • @jaredweiman2987
      @jaredweiman2987 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +50

      @@bablela26 Expensive tech is expensive.

  • @Bluth53
    @Bluth53 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2458

    Labs starting to pay off big time with all the additional tests and research into product marketing vs. reality

    • @mistermistero652
      @mistermistero652 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +34

      Yea, i really like the new graphs

    • @WackoMcGoose
      @WackoMcGoose 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +47

      @@webbie7503 Don't forget the spinning low-polygon 3D models. When things spin, you _know_ that Science! is taking place.

    • @alifelessrock48
      @alifelessrock48 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      finally, linus laboratories

    • @eddiemate
      @eddiemate 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      @@webbie7503
      Clearly Linus needs to pay for Labs to get some lab coats.

    • @AndreaFrancoise
      @AndreaFrancoise 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

      @@eddiemate LTT branded labcoats as merch, letsgo

  • @VideoPine
    @VideoPine 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

    Noise reduction is an important part of colorgrading in resolve. I'm a professional colorist. NR is very hardware intensive so it's a good way to test your gpu, render speeds are also important.
    To be able to play back large files on multiple tracks with noise reduction enabled at full project fps is a good thing.
    Having said that, RTX 3090 4090 are also capable of playing large files with noise reduction at a much lower price compared to the new apple chips, so that's definitely something to think about. And with a proper pc workstation you have the ability to upgrade your gpu later if you need to without buying a completely new machine.

    • @Luki-jz6gm
      @Luki-jz6gm 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Plus OS will be working for years to come especially since they switched to arm.

  • @elToroBandido
    @elToroBandido 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +156

    Thanks for including higher ambient temperatures! You guys take so much flak for the Labs so, as someone who lives on a hotter climate, this makes the Labs an awesome addition to LTT. I'm very glad that you are putting your money towards better testing methodology :)

    • @Aref_mustafa_sallat
      @Aref_mustafa_sallat 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      RTX 4090 + intel core i9 is cheaper than Apple Mac Studio and better performance

    • @brendontaylor7545
      @brendontaylor7545 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      ​@@Aref_mustafa_sallat
      Your reply bears no relevance to the comment you replied to. Furthermore, while I dislike most Apple products myself, raw performance does not always mean a better product. That efficiency is amazing. My "Windows" gaming PC can heat up my room to annoying levels.

    • @flameshana9
      @flameshana9 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      What's the benefit of testing at different temperatures? I compared the graphs and they all reach the same numbers regardless of how hot or cold it is, it just happens faster or slower.

  • @Barrydick186
    @Barrydick186 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3873

    Only Apple could make the Rtx 4090 seem affordable

    • @NUBAS12345WoT
      @NUBAS12345WoT 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +163

      not only affordable, but also cheap

    • @RandomUser2401
      @RandomUser2401 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +30

      if you compare a full computer with a GPU, then yes. Drink less of that Kool Aid.

    • @trashtrash2169
      @trashtrash2169 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +91

      You could 100% fit enough parts in the rest of the budget to make a way better computer than the mac.

    • @lostkostin
      @lostkostin 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +99

      @@RandomUser2401 video had shown that not only a gpu itself, but also parts of the full pc with it cost less than the whole box of apple product.

    • @RandomUser2401
      @RandomUser2401 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      @@lostkostin sure. and with all those parts you'd for sure be able to build a PC with the form factor of the Mac and the power draw, noise, and performance per Watt. Go ahead and build it.
      And yes, noise and power draw DO matter.

  • @jajssblue
    @jajssblue 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3843

    Can you imagine how much Apple would charge if they had a 4090 class GPU? It'd make Nvidia blush!

    • @Chopper153
      @Chopper153 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +429

      Atleast $15k.

    • @gottide
      @gottide 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +42

      So true!!!

    • @jajssblue
      @jajssblue 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +94

      @@Chopper153 10x sounds about right. 😂

    • @diablo.the.cheater
      @diablo.the.cheater 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

      at least a million pennies

    • @sinesaii
      @sinesaii 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +53

      Or if they simply licensed AMD RDNA3 cores, or a whole chip, and optimized software for it. AMD cards can do so much, but they lack the resources to get the software /driver optimization Nvidia can provide.

  • @llamaduden3397
    @llamaduden3397 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +40

    LABS did a great job with the graphs, and all the testing! Kudos to you guys

  • @jrbling25
    @jrbling25 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Was waiting for the power consumption and temperature caveats, though that doesn't justify the marketing and nuanced case-specific advantages, it really does say a lot about the advancement over x86 technology. Great review!

  • @doctorgears9358
    @doctorgears9358 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1277

    It's honestly refreshing to see a shout out to the engineers. There's a lot of skilled people that work at Apple and they do not set the prices, nor do they decide how things will be marketed. A lot of the time they're given requirements that may not even come from a technical individual, and they just have to make it work.

    • @harveylong5878
      @harveylong5878 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

      if the Apple Messiah Jobs was still alive and in charge, the engineers would be SOL. since Jobs didnt give a f-ck if it worked or not, as long it was shiny slick blahblah. if product catches on fire, requires hourly dropping from 5 feet those are features

    • @gustavosaliola
      @gustavosaliola 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +45

      I imagine the enormous pain on the engineers when given the orders on NO expansion, NO reparability, NO space to breath, so on and so on. The horrendous model that became selling laptops like smartphones: If any part fails, just buy a new one, because the cost of the creeple (and often impossible) repair doesn't make sense.
      In Job's era, at least where machines which trough the years became icons in productivity, reparability and longevity. In my case, had the last one of the Intel MacBooks, the 2015 15" with 1TB M2 disk (Installed by me of course) and maxed at 16 GB Ram.
      People today loves being showed bling bling from Apple instead of solid, noble, reparable without much problem, well designed and durable stuff. They got away with it.

    • @Tech-geeky
      @Tech-geeky 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@gustavosaliola How much repairable are other computers becoming laptop pc really ?? RAM is soldered to HP Spectre 14" motherboard.

    • @Naokarma
      @Naokarma 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@Tech-geeky I think you misread that comment, lol. They're saying laptops are like phones now, exactly like you're saying.

    • @gustavosaliola
      @gustavosaliola 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@Tech-geeky I just don't know. I'm an almost 50 years old Graphic + Motion Designer with 30 years of use of Apple computers (desktops and laptops), because of that, i can talk about Macs. If other brands do shitty practices too, it's a bad sign of the times, isn't it?

  • @Snidde22
    @Snidde22 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +712

    Always appreciate some solid data analysis and visualization that tells a story quickly but allows a deeper look. You have some quality folks there.

    • @benwu7980
      @benwu7980 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      Yeah, it's always been hard to see Apple performance when coming from a PC side of things, it's nice to see the Labs showing just how much Apple have been massaging their numbers.
      The power efficiency though is insane for those M2's, but the performance claims are near illegal.
      Reminds me of when they called their Airpod MAx's ' the ultimate listening experience' and I just had to lol in my Orpheus's

    • @Tech-geeky
      @Tech-geeky 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      When Apple compares and uses products others than there "Its faster than ...." Its just marketing
      Those on the outside don't know because they don't make the product/software their comparing to. Its guess only.. I reckon Apple would rather show something there than just nothing at all.

  • @benskoppel4969
    @benskoppel4969 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    At last! Someone doing a decent 3D GPU testing and comparison between the M2 Ultra and M1 Ultra. Thank you!

  • @bobsykes
    @bobsykes 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Super useful review. I couldn’t agree more that ultra-low power and quiet operation should have been the marketing value proposition. That’s exactly why I bought a (refurbished) M1 Ultra. As far as the price, I have a different problem with it. You compared a gaming PC with gaming parts in it to this thing. In the Intel days, Apple’s “pro” meant real, honest, workstation parts. Xeon CPUs, workstation graphics cards, ECC memory, server-grade storage options, so of course I expected to pay more than for a gaming PC. Now, I’m paying way more to get high efficiency iPhone silicon in much greater numbers inside this box than what fits in my iPhone. I’m not sure that’s worth as much a Apple charges just for the low power, even though the low power was the compelling feature that drove my purchase.

  • @jacobmallis
    @jacobmallis 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +835

    These are one of the kind of videos that make LTT so great. I cant imagine anyone else being able to make such an extensive video like this that is also entertaining and easy to understand.

    • @Verchiel_
      @Verchiel_ 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Insert mac fanboys hating for judging it too harshly
      insert mac haters hating for not putting it down enough and praising too much
      unfortunate that no matter how honest and factual it might be, such huge chunks of people are still willing to be unreasonable

    • @MegaGasek
      @MegaGasek 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Gamers Nexus could do a video just as good as this one if not better BUTT (and that's a big butt) they don't care enough about Apple to do it, as it should be. At this point I declare Apple is a cult.

    • @Verchiel_
      @Verchiel_ 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@MegaGasek Apple is large enough to be considered a religion.
      And religions are just officially recognised cults

    • @Neamow
      @Neamow 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@MegaGasek GN would make this into a 35 minute snorefest with so many graphs half of the audience would fall asleep. I love the guy but his videos are not for everyone.

    • @jacobmallis
      @jacobmallis 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@MegaGasek I like Gamers Nexus and even bought the tool kit almost 3 years ago, but sometimes it can be a bit how @Neamow said.

  • @justinhook
    @justinhook 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +670

    As an Apple user, I hope you don't back down. They lie constantly and get away with it. Very frustrating as a customer to buy their products and find huge gotchas all the time.

    • @ThermalWorld_
      @ThermalWorld_ 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

      Stick with Apple and don't complain..

    • @zhanucong4614
      @zhanucong4614 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +59

      Why do you use apple

    • @darkzeronemesis497
      @darkzeronemesis497 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +46

      @@ThermalWorld_awww are you butt hurt 😂

    • @TmanT321
      @TmanT321 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Please stop buying their products. Apple sucks giant balls. They treat their customers like shit. It took me over a month to delete my Apple ID/Account because they wouldn't just let me do it myself. I had to CALL them like 5 times to delete my account. Unreal.

    • @suleyth
      @suleyth 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +30

      So then why do you keep buying them?

  • @Nanomaroni
    @Nanomaroni 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    04:50 I see what you did there! A perfect "Storm" of conditions. That's some great writing!
    For the people not getting it, look at Apples Project Names for the Mx Processors: Firestorm, Icestorm, Blizzard...

  • @yottabit
    @yottabit 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    I know its very niche but I am quite curious about ML workloads and other GPGPU stuff on the M2 Ultra, for problems that would normally be limited by VRAM. With 192 or even just 128 GB you should be able to solve some massive problem sizes

  • @psyaviah
    @psyaviah 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +534

    We are really starting to see the benefits for LTT Labs for all of us in the computing industry. It's awesome having LTT as one of the channels pushing itself further to get better quality comparisons and backing it up with tests. Great to see, because we needed that to settle debates and call companies out. When it's good, it's being said. When it's bad, well, the numbers speak for themselves.

    • @Reelix
      @Reelix 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      This proves what everyone knew all along.
      Apple stuff is overpriced for what you get :p

    • @sandboy5880
      @sandboy5880 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I mean, when it comes to apple you don't even need to test anything. You just look at the specs of their stuff and then at the pricing and you know it's at least three times as expensive than it should have been so therefore almost never worth it.

  • @boxer7735
    @boxer7735 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +211

    Linus is always so polite when roasting a whole company

    • @jmsadilek
      @jmsadilek 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      It’s because he is Canadian. 😊🇨🇦

    • @ydid687
      @ydid687 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@jmsadilek and cussing will limit the algorithm promoting his channel

    • @equinoxe3d
      @equinoxe3d 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      The gloves usually come off on the WAN show 😄

    • @niks660097
      @niks660097 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      imagine GN doing the same..

    • @alt1763
      @alt1763 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@niks660097 LTT has a bit more focus on being appealing to the youtube algorithm, while GN is just focused on numbers

  • @admiralmachine
    @admiralmachine 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Great video. Rigorous tests, honest opinion, and useful information. Thank you Linus.

  • @juddrizzo
    @juddrizzo 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I appreciate your evaluations of Mac and PC.
    If you were trying to build a machine for music production, I assume you would go with a Mac with lots of CPU cores and not worry as much about GPU cores.
    I’m looking at the M2 Pro Mac Mini or Studio.
    I would appreciate any advice you and your audiophiles can recommend.
    I have some old apple stuff laying around, including mice, trackpads, and IMAX. But… I would appreciate your recommendation on a modern monitor, mouse, trackpad???
    Thank you. 😃

  • @PatrickFungsca
    @PatrickFungsca 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +443

    This video is 2x better than the last one. 3x more burns and 4.5x funnier! Most people won't notice the "performance" gain from M1 to M2. Just you wait for the M3 next year. It will just keep getting better.

    • @RealJoseph123
      @RealJoseph123 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      This was a stopgap chip.
      I hope they covered this in the video, watching right now.

    • @imjody
      @imjody 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      It will be the best M chip yet! /s

    • @Frozander
      @Frozander 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

      @@RealJoseph123 That's not an excuse, not a valid one at least.

    • @RealJoseph123
      @RealJoseph123 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Frozander I didn’t say it was a excuse. And it wasn’t a excuse to begin with.

    • @NewWay-kg1ox
      @NewWay-kg1ox 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@RealJoseph123 ok tiktoker. Enjoy your tiktok apple toy

  • @jajssblue
    @jajssblue 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +381

    Dang, this feels like a thorough exploration of the device. Well done Labs!

  • @jttasb
    @jttasb 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    your point at 16:07 is why I switched back to a PC last year when the studio was announced, your dollar figures are close to what I paid for a completely overkill PC (lesser video card than 4090, though)...Swapped out my 12900K with a 13900KS this year for net $400 additional. That runs my work faster than this year's M2 Ultra. It was a no-brainer. Also at 16:50, good point: if you have multiple jobs that are able to run in parallel, 4x mac minis is an option at that price!

  • @raunakborker
    @raunakborker 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    "Apple fans, start ..." I thought Apple chips were fanless

  • @lw8882
    @lw8882 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +817

    Loving the hard data to back up the debunking of performance claims.
    It's great to see more channels doing these kinds of involved and necessary tests.

    • @petercort3566
      @petercort3566 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      doubly nice that they're taking an neutral stand, running a ton of tests (more than just performance) and being able to give more nuanced conclusions. It would have been super easy to bypass any talk about how efficient the system is and focus on debunking their marketing numbers for views.

    • @Leanzazzy
      @Leanzazzy 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      The public trusts these companies too much.

    • @NERD10413
      @NERD10413 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      i see..................

    • @Aref_mustafa_sallat
      @Aref_mustafa_sallat 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      RTX 4090 + intel core i9 is cheaper than Apple Mac Studio and better performance

    • @Aref_mustafa_sallat
      @Aref_mustafa_sallat 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@petercort3566 RTX 4090 + intel core i9 is cheaper than Apple Mac Studio and better performance

  • @odonatamusic6372
    @odonatamusic6372 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    this review was so helpful thank you!

  • @YoJimBoHugabaJoe
    @YoJimBoHugabaJoe 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Its never too soon to joke about darwin award winners

  • @tramcrazy
    @tramcrazy 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +656

    Somehow these review sample-less, completely honest Apple reviews I’ve seen in the last few years from LTT are just the best. Too much of the Apple content on TH-cam is relentlessly positive and Apple-worshipping. I’m not an Apple hater (I use an iPhone) but the realistic, completely honest approach from LTT to these products is incredible. Thanks team.

    • @jonnypena7651
      @jonnypena7651 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +36

      Reviewers sometimes are unintentionally less agressive with apple review.

    • @davide4725
      @davide4725 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +63

      Makes sense, most reviewers are afraid of the backlash from uninformed Apple fanatics.

    • @giggity4670
      @giggity4670 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Review's for most things can be very hard to know if favoritism playing a part as they want to keeping their invite's to shows from companies and freebies as if they stray out of line and say if a product is bad even when it is they lose all that you need to know what deals they have with the companies product before watching really.
      Game reviews are the same as the reviews know if they say anything bad about a company they are getting paid to review they can say bye to there invites to shows and free review copy's and they have to go buy it them self and then don't get the scoop on unknown things or early review copy's. It is the same with apple reviews and about everything else you can think of. only people that go out and pay out there pocket will give a somewhat real review but at times they are trying to get in that inner circle so they might not say how bad it is. That is why you need to watch a few different reviews to get a picture on what you are looking to buy as only 1 reviews is never good to know as they might brush past the bad stuff while others don't.

    • @fruitesta
      @fruitesta 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@davide4725Most of the uninformed Apple fanatics are the people that hate on Apple though lol

    • @TehKaiser
      @TehKaiser 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Well, almost every reviewer is going to hold their tongue a bit since their business relies on sales and not every one is a hardware nerd. Shoes are some of the worst culprits.

  • @tristinyaeger9222
    @tristinyaeger9222 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    3:34 Cant wait for linus to review the gamepad oceangate used.

  • @Adunxrockinhoarse
    @Adunxrockinhoarse 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is brilliant. ..So what spec are you using ? I’m looking for a future proof music industry standard production studio.

  • @jamiermathlin
    @jamiermathlin 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Would have been interested to have seen the Final Cut Pro video benchmarks, as Davinci Resolve is quite slow on a Mac...

  • @DJdoppIer
    @DJdoppIer 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +162

    Apple: _"It's not lying, it's corporate marketing!"_
    _A new spin on the famous phrase "It's not lying, it's commercial real estate."_

    • @fitybux4664
      @fitybux4664 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Apple: "We never said we were telling the truth. We are an entertainment company! Proof: Apple TV!"
      😆

    • @jujuria13
      @jujuria13 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Apple: we love the environment and ask you to pay extra for chargers.
      Apple: your devices are too old and we're trying to limit your experiences by not allowing you to download any software

    • @trowawayacc
      @trowawayacc 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Fuck their logic. They deserve 0 sales.

    • @bigmaxcc
      @bigmaxcc 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@jujuria13😂😂 so true

    • @Teluric2
      @Teluric2 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Its not lying its uplifting marketing.

  • @piplup10203854
    @piplup10203854 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +194

    I’m really glad your labs are revealing these things because it’s extremely concerning how vague their claims are and really don’t make any clear point to the average consumer or even entry or intermediate consumers

    • @internet_userr
      @internet_userr 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      No, YOU'RE lying!!

    • @internet_userr
      @internet_userr 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      😡😡😡

    • @TenjinZekken
      @TenjinZekken 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That's because they know how much of their userbase are not tech focused. It's sort of what apple's market is overall. They are very much doing this on purpose.

    • @alexandrevery
      @alexandrevery 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      " it’s extremely concerning how vague their claims are and really don’t make any clear point to the average consumer or even entry or intermediate consumers"
      The average consumer don't buy a workstation...
      The computers we are talking about here are dedicated to high end video editing, color grading, vfx, 3D rendering, etc, etc.
      That's not an "average" use, nor an "entry level" use.

  • @CNC-Time-Lapse
    @CNC-Time-Lapse 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Very very comprehensive. Thank you!

  • @noahisamathnerd
    @noahisamathnerd 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Loving the new graphs!

  • @CloudySpecs96
    @CloudySpecs96 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +201

    some amazing content out of the labs with this one. Love to see the extra info it contributes.

  • @Photo0021
    @Photo0021 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +633

    I always felt like the Mac Studio is an odd case where it’s overkill more most people but not justifiable for a good portion of the people it’s trying to cater for, professional industries. Potentially one of Apple’s most odd modern products since its introduction.

    • @Seven-pu5wj
      @Seven-pu5wj 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +40

      It's a pro product. Pro as in actual industry professionals using it who make a living off of creative content. Not "pro" in the loose sense of just high-end consumer content.

    • @xblindx
      @xblindx 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +44

      For the “average” consumer it is overkill, but for REAL professional “prosumers”, say mom and pop productions using SmallRig cages and shooting weddings, vs hollywood Arri Alexa studios, the studio is priced just right
      I think it seems odd because theres a good chance its consumers wouldnt be out of the average social circle. But then again not very many in that same social circle would buy into it. The average joe wouldnt buy it, but they likely know at least one person who might as a “producer” or someone with deeper pockets casually flexing. Not everyone would know someone tho, who would use an Arri Alexa
      If you want to see “odd pricing”, you have nobs off tripods and cameras that could easily be 3d printed for 5 cents being sold for hundreds of dollars at the higher end of hollywood. Now THATS pricing that would make even apple execs blush

    • @RealJoseph123
      @RealJoseph123 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      That’s the Mac Pro for me. If the Mac Studio was the Mac Pro’s start price, we would’ve have a different conversation.
      The Mac Studio way much cheaper.

    • @retrocomputing
      @retrocomputing 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Sounds like it's totally justifiable for audio and video professionals, but not 3d

    • @katrinabryce
      @katrinabryce 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      It fills the previous hole in their line-up between the Mac Mini and the Mac Pro. Except now, there is absolutely no reason to buy the Mac Pro other than having lots of local storage, and really if you need that sort of storage, you should put it in a NAS and connect it via a 10Gb ethernet cable.

  • @theolaa
    @theolaa 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Labs graphs look great! Exciting to see labs really spooling up for this one with all that data and testing.

  • @fridaycaliforniaa236
    @fridaycaliforniaa236 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    You *crushed* it, with that joke about the submarine 😂

  • @SpinDlsc
    @SpinDlsc 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +177

    It's a shame, because Apple's engineer's really put some solid work into the SOC! But between locking some power options, bad pricing and bad marketing, they really do their community a glaring disservice.

    • @vlcthefish
      @vlcthefish 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      It's the best value time in history to get decent performance out of a Mac and yet everyone is complaining

    • @victorkreig6089
      @victorkreig6089 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@vlcthefish they are marking up the price by 60% there is zero reason for you to be defending it other than you're a shill

    • @windslightly9117
      @windslightly9117 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

      @@vlcthefish Of course they scammed you less and you d be happy about it

    • @vlcthefish
      @vlcthefish 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@windslightly9117 Scam who? Windows is my main computer 🤣

    • @SpinDlsc
      @SpinDlsc 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

      @@vlcthefish Better value than two years prior does not inherently equal good value, especially when the product is blatantly marketed in a rather deceitful way.

  • @williusthegreat1486
    @williusthegreat1486 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    13:44 If u dont have AC i dont think youll be buying a 5 thousand dollar computer

  • @donjaime_ett
    @donjaime_ett 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Are there not high VRAM use case worth considering? Future Machine Learning/AI workloads? Maybe not as fast as a 4090, but "able to compute and finish the workload versus not in 10x better time than CPU only" might be compelling for some.

  • @zedrake
    @zedrake 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

    I love apple as a product company and how they’re one of the few design focused companies but regardless of how I feel about them I’m glad you’re holding their feet to the flame here Linus! Keep it up

    • @MrMali22
      @MrMali22 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      The customers should be holding their feet to the flame. They've been screwing you guys for years

    • @TheHeadincharge
      @TheHeadincharge 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@MrMali22Eh, it really depends heavily on the product. Apple has a mix of very well priced products, overly priced products, and ridiculously priced products. Their base MacBooks are still great for the price right now, especially year old models. Their premium desktops simply don’t sell enough to be priced well honestly.

    • @TraktorTarzan
      @TraktorTarzan 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That's my largest criticism of apple. They say they're focused on design, but then make extremely bad design choices. And that's why iOS is so clunky, lacks functionality and some menus are straight up messy. I don't get how they don't look at the competition and go"this functions brings such a smooth experience, let's implement it"
      This is written from my iphone btw

    • @Skrenja
      @Skrenja 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@TheHeadinchargeAgreed. I actually think the M2 Mini is very fairly priced if you go with a 3rd party storage solution.

  • @CharlieBasta
    @CharlieBasta 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +383

    This is why I will always trust LTT. They show EVERYTHING. Thank you guys for staying true to your brand.

    • @Roach22
      @Roach22 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      At least when it comes to Apple 😅

    • @RealJoseph123
      @RealJoseph123 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

      @@Roach22 Yeah… their Intel content…
      Big difference watching the two brands being covered on Linus Tech Tips.

    • @pi4795
      @pi4795 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I wonder why they chose an Intel processor for the comparison when AMD ones consume less

    • @DanielFerreira-ez8qd
      @DanielFerreira-ez8qd 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      ​@@RealJoseph123 How, literally how. This just happens to be one of their first videos using most of the new tools on the Lab.

    • @DavidMorseMusic
      @DavidMorseMusic 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      @@pi4795 Maybe - just maybe... it's because Apple used Intel CPUs.

  • @trevorbeingtrevor
    @trevorbeingtrevor 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +183

    The catch on the headphone jack comparison spec was chef's kiss. Thank-you for the detail oriented work on this review. This sets the bar high for a product reviews in a good way. Great job!

    • @RandomUser2401
      @RandomUser2401 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      yeah it's true that contrary to popular hater believe, apart from the iphone every device Apple makes has a headphone jack.

    • @techno1561
      @techno1561 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@RandomUser2401Imagine if they made the shuffle without a headphone jack.

    • @TylerTMG
      @TylerTMG 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@techno1561my man PLEASE GO SEE A DOCTOR

    • @MrCroky123
      @MrCroky123 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Come, the new iteration is "advanced". Means it's better than the previous one which is not "advanced"... Can't you read ? XD XD XD

  • @NaumanAsif
    @NaumanAsif 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    6:30
    $1,000.00 just for 16 more cores for the GPU??? Bruh...

  • @manthanchauhan4014
    @manthanchauhan4014 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    dude you are AWESOME ......always love your content

  • @arachnenet2244
    @arachnenet2244 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +74

    The new Labs is really flexing it's benchmarking and testing here and I'm all for it!

  • @OfficialMako_YT
    @OfficialMako_YT 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +269

    As an apple user, I can confirm I am typing my angry response

    • @Summer-us5ql
      @Summer-us5ql 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      Waiting for that angry response

    • @OfficialMako_YT
      @OfficialMako_YT 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +64

      @@Summer-us5ql sorry I’m too angry

    • @NewWay-kg1ox
      @NewWay-kg1ox 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      yeah yeah typical apple fans without a brain xddd

    • @Muhluri
      @Muhluri 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@Summer-us5ql as a Mac owner, I am incredibly angry at apple. I'm so angry that I'm storming to the nearest apple store to trade in all my apple devices 😡

    • @Pussalia
      @Pussalia 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@Muhluritrading in? As in, to get the new equipment?

  • @legendscod6366
    @legendscod6366 หลายเดือนก่อน

    bro you gave so much dedication in this....Love this man

  • @mafiamac
    @mafiamac 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Quick question did you guys try and use macOS Sonoma for the testing?

  • @jellyg0at9
    @jellyg0at9 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +134

    I just wanted to say that the Labs graphics look SOOO good. Very easy to read in video format compared to the previous style and they still look attractive. The slight gradients when highlighting specific sections was a nice addition.

  • @dragomirstefan2131
    @dragomirstefan2131 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    3:41 Oi! We missed you!!!

  • @JashJacob
    @JashJacob 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video linus! 👍🏻

  • @JRudder1234
    @JRudder1234 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Awesome, thanks for the detailed review backed by data!

  • @JamesJohnson-kl1eu
    @JamesJohnson-kl1eu 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

    The misleading advertising is the issue, it's more in the territory of lying.

    • @nayan.punekar
      @nayan.punekar 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Straight up lying tbh

  • @f0y
    @f0y 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +52

    Those new graphs are absolutely fantastic. So much nicer than the old ones.

  • @ricequackers
    @ricequackers 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I do know someone who has ordered an M2 Mac Pro, but he's a high-end audio engineer (does Dolby Atmos mixing) who uses a ProTools HDX PCIe card with ProTools on MacOS. His studio also has a rack for rackmounting the system in. So yeah, it's a very tiny specialised niche that would get any value from the Mac Pro as compared to the Mac Studio.

  • @Zeeves
    @Zeeves 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    PCs will not be available for purchase as consumer products within the decade. The Mac studio will be a great product to own, even 10 years now from now

    • @Teluric2
      @Teluric2 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Cocaine or meth? Studio ten years ? Dream.

  • @mikej9449
    @mikej9449 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +459

    i'll never understant how apple justifies pricing their products how they do

    • @suicicada
      @suicicada 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +280

      Simple. Their customer base allows it.

    • @invinsible1987
      @invinsible1987 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +67

      People buy their stuff without asking any question.
      I would do the same tbh.

    • @Bob_Smith19
      @Bob_Smith19 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +84

      The same way Nvidia does, people buy them at current costs.

    • @Eagle3302PL
      @Eagle3302PL 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +90

      @@Bob_Smith19 The reason NVIDIA get away with it is because they simply are the best. They hold the market by the balls and AMD can't catch up. If you want the best feature set and performance, you have to get NVIDIA. Apple does not have that sort of market hold, their value comes from customer ignorance, vanity and laziness. Apple is not on the top because they are the best and most cutting edge, they are at the top because their brand is powerful and people hate change, also because their branding is so strong there is a level of snobbery their customer base feels entitled to.

    • @bablela26
      @bablela26 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      ​@@Eagle3302PL"hate change" i mean no they made big changes with their M1 silicon.
      It's just that apple people "hate seeing changes" XD it's the whole shtick about apple : hiding things from their customers and making sure their customer won't think complaining lol

  • @Cossieuk
    @Cossieuk 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +323

    Would be interesting to see the total power usage for a given render. Well the PC might use more power it is finished much quicker. The PC was 3 times quicker so a 2 hour render on a PC would be a 6 hour render on the Mac. So what is the power saving over a actual workload

    • @thomgizziz
      @thomgizziz 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      Dont question the Apple... they are the bestest

    • @jasonvorhees6592
      @jasonvorhees6592 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +31

      ​@@thomgizzizAvg. Apple fanboy 🤓

    • @salmanfarooq8570
      @salmanfarooq8570 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      underrated comment

    • @Daunlouded
      @Daunlouded 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +59

      That is a valid point. Even though PC eats way more power, it doesn't necessarily mean it costs more money at the end.

    • @Yusuf_K7
      @Yusuf_K7 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I had the same thought. Only in a CPU v CPU (13900K) scenario could you perhaps make an argument for efficiency, with M2 Ultra having close to 70% of the former’s performance.

  • @nicejungle
    @nicejungle 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    "too soon too soon" 🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @tapakbkmz
    @tapakbkmz 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thx f review, guys!!

  • @Luzgar
    @Luzgar 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +44

    Checking Apple's graph is going to be a full time position at the lab.

  • @mirage809
    @mirage809 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    My main takeaway from this is that if you have an M1 Mac Studio as a workstation then you won't be rushing out to buy a new one. The upgrade isn't worth it. If you got a beast of a PC, then this also isn't gonna be a upgrade you need to have.
    Having said that: it's insanely power efficient. And I for one will happily take 80% the power at basically no noise and no space heater sitting on my desk. That's actually awesome.

    • @ZepG
      @ZepG 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      If you have a beast of a PC this is a severe downgrade just for the sake of buying Tim Cook a new yacht!

    • @kentsutton4973
      @kentsutton4973 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      But you could also just get more efficient PC parts to match the Macs performance and they would also cut the power down tremendously... Price as well.

    • @gyrozeppeli00
      @gyrozeppeli00 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      yeah now I get it, this is why apple gets away with flat out lying every single time.

    • @mirage809
      @mirage809 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@gyrozeppeli00 Oh, Apple flat out lying on the benchmarks is inexcusable and I don't get why they do it. They got the perfect marketing angle by selling this thing as a power efficient machine that runs cool and quiet. Just go with that.

  • @ALEXWARELLC
    @ALEXWARELLC 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Apple's idea for simplicity has gotten to the point where they're not including basic labelling.

  • @poopertrooperz
    @poopertrooperz 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Long time mac user here. Currently on that 3yr old iMac that apple is trying to compare the M2 with. I'm a heavy user of CAD + realtime 3D renderer and some Adobe apps and have become sick and tired of the lack of GPU power and switching to PC in a few weeks time and couldn't be more excited to be specifying a 4090 in a custom build. Whilst I will miss 5k display and overall compact packaging but enough is enough.

  • @cpt.bratwurst5390
    @cpt.bratwurst5390 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

    I'm a big fan of the testing scenarios that come with the lab. Happily looking forward for all the vids to come 😊

  • @Just_a_commenter
    @Just_a_commenter 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +113

    Something to make the Apple fans a bit angy? _Don't mind if I dooooo_
    On a more serious note, I do appreciate you guys calling out manufacturer marketing BS. I know that marketing's job is to fluff up the capabilities of the product, but misrepresenting performance is a big no-no.

    • @johnsalamii
      @johnsalamii 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

      its ok to make apple fans angry, by that i mean the ones who defend apple on every single thing even if its a bad thing

    • @Just_a_commenter
      @Just_a_commenter 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      ​@@johnsalamiiFair enough, though I think you can substitute any other manufacturer fan for Apple fans. Liking something is fine, being an obnoxious fanboy isn't. :b

    • @hobbesrl
      @hobbesrl 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Stop saying reasonable things in TH-cam comments, this isn’t supposed to be allowed

    • @Just_a_commenter
      @Just_a_commenter 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@hobbesrl _Too bad, I'm a rule breaker._ c:

    • @LaMereACaniche
      @LaMereACaniche 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Just_a_commenter Critical thinking in my youtube comments? How dare you.

  • @gupti
    @gupti 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    love the new design scheme on these graphs!

  • @jimw7916
    @jimw7916 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Every time I relent, and buy an Apple product Im Sooooo disappointed!.............what they are doing is criminal.

  • @klaesregis7487
    @klaesregis7487 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +250

    Would have been nice to see how the 7950X3D would have performed in those tests., it is a lot more energy efficient than the 13900K.

    • @ratlingzombie8705
      @ratlingzombie8705 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +47

      Or even a Ryzen 9 7945hx. Draws like 90W at 32000 Cinebench R23 Multicore score and 34000 at 120W. Thats pretty comparable efficiency to Apple and superior power

    • @Real_MisterSir
      @Real_MisterSir 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +32

      Also also, it would be fun to performance match a 13900K + 4090 system to the M2 Studio, because both the i9 and the 4090 actually have very good efficiency scaling curves when you performance normalize with lesser hardware. I can get the same results with my 13900K and 4080 sipping half of their max tdp rating, so a full system power draw for me under similar loads as the M2 Studio was put through, is actually very close in efficiency. But I still have the benefit of being able to crank my hardware to the max when I just need to get shit done - which Apple just can't do. And for professionals, when you want those calculations done and animations rendered, time and workflow counts 10x more than avg consumption over a full workday. It's not like either system is pushed to the max constantly anyways. But when they need to be pushed, I want my system performance to go through the roof instead of being gimped by whatever tdp target and inefficient airflow design Apple is operating with.

    • @BelacDarkstorm
      @BelacDarkstorm 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      The problem is the 7950X3D is laser focused on Gaming. Sure it's a fairly efficient chip, but productivity is lacking due to it's lower base clocks and most productivity tasks do not benefit from the additional cache.

    • @hunterbear2421
      @hunterbear2421 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      They only got so much time tho right, they probably picked intel because it matched the i9 so well

    • @august_leopold
      @august_leopold 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I‘m not shure but think macos dont like amd cpus…

  • @DanielLavedoniodeLima_DLL
    @DanielLavedoniodeLima_DLL 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +167

    I really like that LTT is now making comparison in different ambient temperature scenarios. I live in Brazil and the biggest reason I switch from a Dell XPS 13 to a Macbook Air M1 was the amount of heat that the previous one generated at my room. I basically had to use my A.C. all the time because of that.

    • @Saibert1
      @Saibert1 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Kkkkkkkkkkkkk
      Dos mesmos criadores de "mudei para iphone pois o Instagram é melhor"

    • @cheesetomatoes
      @cheesetomatoes 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Sounds about right. My Dell Precision 5550 for work (basically an XPS 15) is constantly thermal throttling and even emergency hibernates from time to time from an overheat event. It both runs hot and is unable to cool itself properly despite having fresh thermal paste and a dust-free interior.

    • @v1Broadcaster
      @v1Broadcaster 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Saibert1i mean… snapchat and instagram are alot better on iphone… and is why alot of people switched sooo 🤷

    • @sevenofzach
      @sevenofzach 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@v1BroadcasterSome people don't understand why people prioritize insta and snap so highly. Which really is fine either way even if others don't agree.

    • @AndrewKneebone
      @AndrewKneebone 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I used the old Intel Macbook Pros's in Australia during the summer and man it was a struggle.. When the M1 came out I bought a Macbook Air and my god the performance in hot conditions was amazing.. I main an M1 Max Studio now and I freaking love it!!

  • @kriskelly6802
    @kriskelly6802 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I liked your unabashed review, which confirmed something I was wondering about. With the push to Apple Soilicon and eventually wiping out support for the old Intel-based Macs, I felt it was time to sell my iMac 27". It was the latest and fastest iMac 27 model that Apple ever made. It featured the 9th Generation/Coffee Lake" Intel Core i9 (I9-9900K) processor, which includes eight independent processor "cores" on a single silicon chip. My Mac Studio is the M1 MAX, with 64GB of RAM and a 2TB internal drive. It had the 16 GB Radeon Pro 5700 XT with GDDR6, too.
    My Mac Studio does not seem as fast or perky as my iMac 27-inch was.

  • @mikeb.4597
    @mikeb.4597 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    This was a great review. I am admittedly an apple guy. I'm in the ecosystem and everything. I'd never buy an M2 Max/ultra machine. M1 MacBook air is perfect for my needs. But I agree... those marketing numbers that Apple is claiming comparing it to "who knows" is messed up. Great tests! This is why I enjoy your channels, MacAddress included. Keep up the honest reviews. We need more tech reviewers like this!

  • @czbrat
    @czbrat 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    Userbenchmark's numbers are more credible than Apple's

  • @Squidkingdom
    @Squidkingdom 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I never realized I needed it until you did it once. But when you’re comparing 2 metrics in the script, highlighting it visually is very helpful in digesting the data.

  • @user-he7nl5ov6u
    @user-he7nl5ov6u 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great work ! My question is if you factor in the power consumption over 3 years of ownership vs the bigger, louder, power hungry PC , does the price of ownership become more equal ?

    • @AwesomePossum510
      @AwesomePossum510 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Probably, but you could also just lower the clock speed on the 4090 a little bit and drop the voltage. And buy an AMD processor instead of Intel.

  • @hesham8
    @hesham8 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I use an M1 Max, fully kitted, MBP.
    I’m starting to throttle pretty hard in Xcode. But the jump to M2… doesn’t seem beefy enough. Back in the day, I used to build overkill Hackintoshes, which often meant dealing with issues in Darwin (I got quite comfortable with it).
    However, not only is that impossible today, but I couldn’t justify it: I need my machine to be highly reliable, and by their nature, Hackintoshes are not.

  • @andrupine6400
    @andrupine6400 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +26

    these new graphs are amazing and easily understandable. colours are also contrasting from back ground are easier on the eyes

    • @ToasterPizzaFun
      @ToasterPizzaFun 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I misunderstood this comment at first to mean Apple's graphs. The LTT labs graphs are ace though.

    • @sharzo7728
      @sharzo7728 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      true!! i had a hard time comprehending their previous graphs, these new graphs are so good

  • @joviesdreams
    @joviesdreams 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +67

    You're all the positve spin we need Linus :)

  • @TSGEnt
    @TSGEnt 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I have a few older iMacs for my video editing suite. The 2013 27" i5 in the stable still runs wonderfully. Time management is the key. We do all of the heavy rendering when we are asleep. If we need something rendered quickly, well put it on our 2020 27" iMac i7. Yes, we sleep.

  • @kain175
    @kain175 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    what's up with the special effects on Linus' neck when he says "even worse" at 17:01??? LOL

  • @slothnium
    @slothnium 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    for "power efficiency" to matter, you need to compare it to "time taken" to complete a task
    like it wouldn't matter if it consumed 100w, if it took 5 times longer compared to a 200w device.

    • @neb_setabed
      @neb_setabed 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Good point! I never thought about power efficiency stats way before!!

    • @samuelcalkin3516
      @samuelcalkin3516 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      But he gave both metrics in the video.

  • @dotcomdudee
    @dotcomdudee 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    New labs graphs are so much more readable and understandable - Great job!

  • @kevinwilsona
    @kevinwilsona 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    I absolutely love that it feels like a 100% unbiased, honest review. Apple definitely should have marketed how efficient it actually is. That power/perf of this is unbelievable!

    • @Aref_mustafa_sallat
      @Aref_mustafa_sallat 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      RTX 4090 + intel core i9 is cheaper than Apple Mac Studio and better performance

    • @p15209
      @p15209 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@Aref_mustafa_sallat Of the money you saved by getting Intel + NVidia, all of it is going to be spent on half of quarter of the electricity bill resulted from the PC, depending on the region, during the actual (important: *actual* lifetime of the "High-power") lifetime of the machine.

    • @supremebuffalo6322
      @supremebuffalo6322 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Whats that meme where the guy runs out the building while screaming about how pleasantly surprised they are? 😂

    • @GeneralS1mba
      @GeneralS1mba 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The only way to fight temperature increase is to do some water cooling or something with the i9 and 4090, which would probably end up totalling more, and with a way higher energy bill

    • @TraktorTarzan
      @TraktorTarzan 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@p15209i live in a country with expensive electricity and i could run that setup, and end up saving money, for the lifetime of that PC, compared to simply buying the M2. The efficiancy savings are miniscule. Even if you compare them with running the PCs idle for a whole year.

  • @sreekarkarlapudi3356
    @sreekarkarlapudi3356 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Please please please...... do more temperature, throttling, stability tests at higher ambient temperatures of 35-45°C. A large part of the world never sees avg temperatures of

  • @macman2010mc
    @macman2010mc 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Loved seeing the labs benchmarks. Informative and direct. Keep up the good work

  • @hammerheadyak
    @hammerheadyak 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    I'm sorry guys but i LOOVVEE the graphs that you guys are putting out. If this is the standard that labs is going to be working at, I'm all for it

  • @jomarmansilungan2520
    @jomarmansilungan2520 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Finally, a sponsor that has presence where I'm from and I usually buy products from.

  • @Aurich88
    @Aurich88 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    5:11 Adorable. Great job whoever did that.

  • @vishwa1995
    @vishwa1995 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +42

    The video shows the i9 as a 16+8 configuration a lot. The Intel i9 13900K is 8+16, not 16+8. The M2 Ultra is 16+4

    • @LinusTechTips
      @LinusTechTips  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +37

      You are correct, it looks like this was accidentally transposed -EY

    • @febriyankusuma2957
      @febriyankusuma2957 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@LinusTechTips Linus can you make a pc with i9 13900t and rtx a4000 ada sff. apple fanboy always talking about power consumption

    • @froznfire9531
      @froznfire9531 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@thecon_quererarbitraryname6286 its not really faster... But it can shine in stock efficiency

  • @jasonvick6617
    @jasonvick6617 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    I love seeing the labs equipment and data making its way into these videos, very cool to see.

  • @Ladimore
    @Ladimore 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Does the bandwidth for displays really GREATLY exceed what a single GPU PC can handle? Those Apple numbers are a little unclear, what's the refresh rate on each configuration? I can see the refresh rate shown in the video for the RTX 4090 but I didn't see any for the Mac Studio.

  • @eyeofthetiger7
    @eyeofthetiger7 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This review quality is phenomenal!