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- TalkTV's Mike Graham hits out at electric cars after dealers slashed EV prices by up to a quarter in a frantic bid to stimulate sales.
According to market analysis by What Car? the average discount on a new EV has increased by 204 per cent since last January and comes after the Lords Committee warned the Government that UK drivers are turning their back on the electric transition.
Mike says: "The electric revolution has stalled in the slow lane".
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I would never buy a product recommended to me by a politician.
Unless it's a certain medical intervention
Quite right too! I wonder how many of them are running around in EV's! Khanage Khan uses a gas guzzling 4X4 too and his get out of jail card is that it complies with the current emission's limits.🙄
Do you eat meat? Because the government subsidises that heavily.
@@Audioremedy0785the government subsidizes all food because without cheap plentiful food you have a severe problem
@@Audioremedy0785 WHY DID YOU WATCH THIS VIDEO ?
still wouldn't buy one if they were paying me
Neither would I. Imagine having one parked and charging in your garage every night, worrying that your house could burn down any minute.
If they were paying you, you wouldn’t be buying it 🤔
@@HumansAreShitFactories Oh your one of those types of people aren't You
@@oldshiny3012 *you’re
@@HumansAreShitFactories proving my point exactly
No way EV..🤣🤣🤣
Also a danger to the environment & child diggers for tbe lithium 😊
Why not save 100% by not buying one!
great idea .
Petrol is brilliant, it's the future
Petrol is the past the present and the future 😂
I like synthetic petrol derived from coal or NG
Who wants to buy aLithiumBatteryDeatHHttrap - who ????!!!!
WW2 Kamikaze pilots 🤪
I've had my car for 15 years and it's still going strong. Tax rebates for those that keep their car for longer than 3 years.
Yeah instead you are punished with ever increasing taxes, under the disguise of 'increasing emissions'...
great idea
I can get behind this. Discounted road tax for people who keep their car longer than 3 years stacking with every year you hold onto the vehicle. Old cars help keep mechanics and body specialists in business as well. All of whom pay quite a bit of tax, as it’s 20% VAT on a repair job 👍
@@vxvii9069 bang on mucka. I was making a quip but you've clearly thought about it. Xx
France used to have a road tax system where the older and smaller your car was the less you payed.
I wouldn’t have one if it was given to me
The country has run out of virtue signallers that can afford these cars and can write off the depreciation of them.
sure looks like it. that and people are realising they have been conned by the government, just like they were with diesel. if EV's were being accepted we would be seeing a much bigger uptake of them, not a downswing, wouldn't we?
That Mokka is still £10k overpriced.
It's making a 'mockery' of genuine discount prices!!!😂
If they discounted it by another £28000, I still wouldn't 'buy' one.
I bet you could get another £5k off it with a bit of persuasion.
It’s a Mokka no matter what makes it move it’s still a Mokka, horrible things especially in that dodgy green.
I’d say £28000 overpriced!
My wife works for an Insurance broker. MANY many Insurance companies are refusing to cover EV's
"Many" means that there are insurance companies that are not refusing to cover EVs. I had no problem when I got my EV insurance.
@@synthmaker Excellent. Well done. Good for you. Obviously I was lying then.
@@r1bew42
I didn't say such thing, I just said that when you say many, it also means not all, all you need is one and if that one specialises in EVs you might get it cheaper.
I think your phone has autocorrected there. You meant ‘some’ not many many.
they are making the price of insurance for the rest of us far more expensive due to the cost of EV repairs
I've already seen the pictures of graveyards of windmill blades because they are not recyclable. Can't wait to see the stories on the environmental disaster of used electric car batteries.
Sorry to spoil your party, but you know that EV batteries are over 90% recyclable right…?
@@Audioremedy0785 How much have you lost so far?
@@Audioremedy0785
Stop spouting utter lies.
As things stand right now, 5% of lithium ion batteries are recycled, the reason for this is the complexity and associated expenses such as toxins that have to be disposed of professionally. That's right TOXINS.
There are other materials that could be recovered but won't be recovered because they aren't valuable enough to be worth the hassle.
It's funny how you never see junk yards full of old abandoned petrol cars... oh wait, that's right, they are all over the place.
@@JamesGaunt369 What's that got to do with a battery?
Electric vehicles was available to the public 10 years before combustion vehicles.
They failed 100 years ago and they will fail again today.
Electric vehicles are much heavier and therefore less efficient than a combustion vehicle.
You can’t change the law of physics 😂
that is true
That is exactly what I always say. The same reasons they stopped producing them back then apply today. But everyone thinks we are so much cleverer than our previous generation.
@@tomdowning9358 Capitalism will save us once again
For the same cost i can fuel my tesla to go 5 times the distance of my diesel. How is that worse?
Well, the EV's are anywhere from 2,5 to 6 times more energy efficient as the best ICE vehicles. But they are a catastrophe for the private consumer in every possible way.
We ban all EV plant from site as they don't meet fire regs.
EV'S is just a fire cracker you never know when it's going to go up in smoke
Good luck getting fire and theft insurance on your electric vehicle.
Genuinely please don’t park it in your garage!
Or too close to your house!
Or my house.....
Why would anyone pinch a burning EV😂
Why would anyone want to steal one?
Or next to my Benz!
My e-corsa is fully insured, had no issues with insurance. And it only cost me £10 per year more than it cost me on my 8yr old golf. My car is parked on my drive, I sleep very happily at night as well👍🏻
I took delivery of a new petrol BMW in March last year, and talking to the salesman about EV's he said they had a peak in 2022, but many of them are bringing them back now wanting to go back to an ICE. They are shocked at how little their EV BMW is worth, and to be honest we don't really want them. We would rather not be selling EV's. I only know two people who have bought EV's, both as a second car, and both were trying to sell them within 6 months., but still have them, because of the poor resale value, putting them in Negative Equity.
Mad isn’t it that a car salesman trying to sell an ICE car would spin you a yarn like that.
@@Audioremedy0785 That was the day I collected it. He was not the salesperson that sold me the car. I could not make up my mind at first which engine to go for. The most powerful or not. When I asked three different sales people for some guidance, they all said they were not allowed to influence me on that. Prior to picking the BMW I looked at Volvo, Audi, Skoda (vRS), and a couple of others. In every showroom I got the same response. "I personally would not touch an EV" Not one said, "Have you considered an EV?" Hardly a Yarn then.
@@grahamestrathern7924 the reason that they don’t want you to consider EVs is that if you wanted one, you would be going to Tesla.
@@Audioremedy0785 That does not make sense. If they sell EV's which they do, they would recommend their own Brand. Why would I go to the likes of BMW to look at EV's, because I like the look of them, then buy a Tesla which is also the last EV I would ever consider. A friend of a friend had a Tesla. The battery went. Cost of new battery more than the value of the car, even if fitted. The car went on fire. EV''s have a place in motoring, but they are not the answer to everything, just like Air Heat Source Boilers.
@@grahamestrathern7924 because if you thought ‘I want an EV’ you would look at the BMW then look at the Tesla and realise they are light years apart and go to the Tesla dealership and buy it. Though at this point, given the bit you made up about your friend, I realise you are either a bot or just a habitual liar so
I’m going to leave you to it.
They still won't sell any. They have reached their maximum sales. Forced on the company car users and now all those ex company cars are just piling up in fields somewhere. Really environmentally friendly aren't they. How they going to scrap all these glorified milk float batteries.
I suggest you research UK EV annual sales. You may find the picture a little different to what media keep trying to push
Well done Rowan Atkinson
It’s funny. As this is a quote from an article that Rowan Atkinson wrote that is about how much he loves his EV and how he was an early adopter.
@@Audioremedy0785 as someone who has had an EV for many years, and who has the technical knowledge also, he's in a better position to express an opinion and give the facts than most. if his opinion was that EV's are the best thing since sliced bread, you would be siding with him, and praising his wiseness, but because he has modified his view based on his experience & it doesnt fit your own narrative, as per your response on many threads, it seems like we are all wrong lol. best i can say is that there's a place for both ICE & EV, and let the market decide, coz all this 'man-made climate change' is rubbish, and cars contribute such a small percentage of pollution compared to say industry, the push for EV's is about control, in the guise of 'green', and people just aint wearing it anymore GL
COPE🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
Things to love about EVs:
1. Child battery labor
2. Range anxiety
3. Risk of garage fires
4. Paying 20k more than a comparable vehicle
5. Battery degredation
6. Poor resale value
7. Reduced performance in cold, highway
8. Higher repair costs
9. Awful charging network experiences in the weather without restrooms
10. Higher insurance rates
11. Replacing tires more frequently
But hey theres a tax credit!
Stuff like this really makes me laugh. The risk of a garage fire is like 0.0012%. Worrying about this and the concept of ‘range anxiety’ live rent free only in the heads of people who don’t own EVs. The principle of ‘range anxiety’ is that an EV can only go a certain amount of miles. Which is the same as any other vehicle. And by ‘aweful charging network’…. I can charge it on my driveway 🤣🤣
@Audioremedy0785 therein lies the problem for many, the inability to charge at home. The range of ev's is pitiful, and for things other than commuting locally the extremely expensive public charging network is hugely inadequate.
The lack of range isn't an issue only for those who drive long distances infrequently.
@@q3y6 when you say it’s ‘pitiful’, I can drive for 4 hours. Which is much more than I would need realistically. I can get half way across England in it. And 45 mins on a supercharger I could do it again.
@@chrisj9700 I mostly agree with this. I think people with strong opinions against EVs discount and/or don’t realise just how good Tesla’s are.
@@Audioremedy0785 You cannot really use the top spec EV as an example EV to everyone as it is out of reach of 95% of us.
When the government force choice you can be pretty certain it isnt in your best interests. Be it EV's or injectibles.
Then people find out to replace that battery its 14k and could buy a new combustion car for that price lol 😆
And the rest
Usually the price if the car when new!
If all these green things were really ‘saving the planet’, wouldn’t they be affordable ?? They’d be desperate for us to have them.
Feel sorry for electric car drivers and future owners. They will simply have to learn the hard way .. as I did. These things are a huge hassle, all those lost hours sitting in those charging stations, huge anxiety, plus a outrageous expense in the long run. Good luck trying to sell a used Electric car with wore out battery modules. You'll find out nobody wants to pay the ridiculous price of batteries ... Batteries are very ... very expensive to replace ( thousands and thousands of dollars) ... and make no mistake, you will be replacing them. These batteries are highly toxic to our environment and a constant concern for fire, also a high potential for disaster to our surroundings. These new specialized automotive grade batteries ... are not green clean energy by any means... Don't fool yourself and certain don't listen to a manufacturer or salesperson, ... they will say anything, do anything to make a sale .
I wish I knew all this before I bought my car . For some of you younger people, you probably already made the mistake, but that's how you learn in life !
Lol, I used a public charger 4 times last year and have 2 EV's in the household. We drove a combined 45,000 miles in 12 months and have paid almost nothing per mile driven. Our waiting time to charge in 12 months has been equivalent to about you visiting a pump 6 times.
Batteries are also 95% recyclable and consume less energy to extract materials and make new batteries than mining from fresh.... And that only if they haven't already been used for 2nd life applications.
Also cobalt, not that you mentioned it, is now barely part of battery manufacturing any more, but it's still used as a catalyst for reducing sulphur in your fuel, as it has been for decades.
Yes EV's still have downsides, but wind the clock 140 years, you would have been criticising the ICE cars at the time and thought nothing would come of them. Don't believe all that is said about EV's and just be mindful of the fact that it's a young market with huge strides still being made.
BTW, is am still recommending to specific people to stick with iCE as I'm under no illusion that it CURRENTLY works for everyone.
So you Brought an EV without any lamp post charging or a driveway?!
There's no reason why all ev owners can't drive while they sleep.
Plenty of lamp posts to tap into.
I think you're chatting a big pile of dung and have never driven let alone owned an EV..
@@rickyjulian496 Don't forget a lamp post is only wired up to supply maybe 100-200w of electricity per post. I agree with what you are saying, but they would need to accommodate 7500w per post for a standard overnight charge to be of any use.
I'm sure we will get there. When EV phobes keep disrupting progress or councils fail to get experienced EV owners involved in the planning that fails to include common sense, we are obviously going to be faced with doubtful people.
You cant force choice on people
What does this sentence even mean 🤣🤣
Derrrrrr..... it means the government saying you cant buy ICE after 2035,i dont call that a choice its an order.
You can in a police state where democracy counts for nothing
I have a corsa e and have just ordered my new petrol astra for march. Cannot wait to return this nightmare of a car. I think its been on the back of a breakdown trailer 6/7 all due to tyres. You hit a pothole, tyre gone. I often laugh to myself driving avoiding potholes, must look like a drunk in charge. Also the big one was within a month of getting this car new, 0:02 0:02 one of the pins where you plug in bent. This car was 6 months off the road whilst every man known to beast examined it, they eventually got someone who said i didnt plug it in properly so not covered under warranty!!! ( like ive not been plugging things in my whole life) strangely i learnt how to do this without anyone showing me, when i collected it fixed. I have one positive thing, when there was a petrol shortage i didnt have any problems- something i wish i did have, wish i could erase the last 2years 11 months car out of my mind
Why did you buy it?
Bought with the knowledge that we would all be forced to go electric, and the person i dealt with was trusted. That person now looks frazzled and does not recommend electric
I also have a e-corsa from new on a 22 plate, never had any of the issues that you described. You must have been unlucky, like you can be with any car.
If this story is accurate, I think it's very rare and in all likelihood the problem is the user
The government has quietly changed the goal posts on double cab 4x4 pick up's - now classed as a car !!! oh and if they give EV's away i would still say NO
Many finance companies are now refusing to finance electric vehicles. If the battery gets damaged out of warranty, they cannot repossess the vehicle if the customer stops paying, because the car is rendered worthless.
Name one ?
Non - sense.
Even a faulty battery is valuable because of the high value of the recoverable materials in the battery, but the price of batteries is falling all the time due to the reduction in the use of the expensive materials with cheaper materials like Sodium etc
Name one
@@TheswedishDane Is that a question or a repeat of my demand for one finance company that refuse to finance EV's
When they knock 28000 off the price I still dont want one 😂
Me neither, I wouldn't take one as a gift. In my mind they were a disaster from day one.
@debby705 One of my Grandsons bought one two yera ago ,purchase cost over £65, 000 ended up with a Charging phobia, for the want of a better description, the rear end traction drive motor failed , although it was still under warranty, the cost of repair was in access of £ 15. 000 and then the waiting to get the parts to repair the problem , 🙄 not worth the money effort or distress it causes , plus the overall costs 🤔, I now drive a 1.2 eco petrol cheap car it does the job nothing fancy , I don't need an expensive badge , just a mode of cheap transport, the cheaper the better 😉 after all its better than public transport.
A friend of mine is a car dealer he will not take E V cars in part exchange because he can't sell the ones he has
Apart from the fact that they were a crap idea in the first place, who would want one anyway.
A friend of mine bought an EV Jag suv. Whenever he visits which is about a 120 mile journey they come in his wife’s petrol Mini.
After all the fires they've had I won't touch one with a 100 foot barge pole! They aren't worth the reduced asking prices even, far too expensive.
The truth is in the numbers, for every 20 ICE fires there is one EV fire. A 5 minute google search will reveal the truth in official number if you're not too lazy to do it.
When you say ‘all the fires’… statistically an ice vehicle is 30x more likely to set on fire. To live in fear of something that has a 0.0012% chance of happening is considered as insane.
@@Audioremedy0785 And your stat is completely and utterly flawed. ICE car stats are based on decades of use, electric car stats have only existed for what 5 to 10 years, plus of an electric car carries fire it's FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR more difficult to extinguish and you can ask your local Fire Station to confirm that.
@@Audioremedy0785Here he is folks! the EVangelist!
@@Audioremedy0785 How do the stats compare when they catch on fire for no reason?
Persisting with the manufacturing of evs should be seen as a crime against humanity..
They are junk!
@@zog97xy tomorrow's landfill
Ouch … jealous much 😂😂
I'm quite happy with my Peugeot Partner. 17 years old 247,000 miles and I bought it 12 years ago for £2,900, tyres, servicing and a replacement drivers seat and a battery, are all its cost me.
Hard to believe you haven’t replaced any parts in 12 years
@@andrewfallon2719 I think ICE drivers tend to include any wet bits that need replacing or repairing in their 'servicing'. Which doesn't really fairly compare against EVs that don't have an equivalent.
No belt change or clutch? That's surprising...
@@rickyjulian496 I think they're classing that as 'servicing'
Why is no one looking at how many privately owned ev’s there are?
I would hazard a guess at much less than 10%.
Would you buy a secondhand ev which is disposable?
I know I wouldn’t.
When you say you would ‘hazard a guess’ what are you basing that on? Almost everyone I know who has an EV (with the exception of 2 out of about 60 people) owns their EV. Not just only owns it, but loves it.
Most round here seem to be owned by government.
I was given an EV as a loan car for the day when my car (petrol) was in for service. I lived about 20miles from the garage and drove home. Parked the car on the drive, shown I had lost 25% of the charge already. Left in the aternoon to pick my car up and it had dropped another 25% of the charge just sitting on the drive. only thing on my mind would I make it to the garage.
Hold on. So you lost 25% of your battery, in 20 miles. That means that the vehicle has a range of just 80 miles in total. What utter rubbish 😂😂
@@SBKPete Some EVs only have a range of about 100 miles - Fiat 500e, Mazda MX30 and Mini Cooper SE to name but three. So the original post sounds plausible, depending on how it was driven, weather conditions etc..
Why are the people pushing you into driving an electric vehicle not driving one themselves?
Like Joey Biden. Keeping his classic gasoline corvette…..hmmmmm. Can we say hypocrites
Has anybody stopped to think how much energy EV's actually waste, With the recent cold spell in Europe and North America. for arguments sake most EV's lost around 30% of charge time after a full charge, Now that amount times by 10's of thousands of cars and times that again by each cold day, that's a vast amount of waste, All electricity paid for and down the drain - Now that's hardly green is it ?
The fact that the backers were liars at the outset disqualifies any claims of benefits.
If Mr Bean can affect EV sales it doesn’t say much for EVs.
Yet he still owns his EV.....
@@Dr-EV Can’t sell it?!
@@ianross225 with his money, he doesn't need to worry about getting some pennies back, yet still has it. His statements we taken as a complete dismissal of the EV industry, he basically said aspects of living with an EV need improving, and that may be specific to his circumstances.
Rowan Atkinson (Mr Bean) is a Chartered Electrical Engineer, I think he knows what he’s talking about. If he says EV’s are crap, I believe him.
@@richardmacey3619 If he says they are crap, that is his judgement and opinion. But he didn't say they are "crap". His comments are warranted, and based on his experiences, which will be different to every one else. Just like when I say Renault's are crap, that's my experience, but it doesn't mean others have the same opinion.
I have experienced 6 EVs over past 7 years, I found them all easy to live with despite their differing specifications.
If you have never owned an EV, then you are always going to hear the negative news, as that's what media like to comment about.
The market has spoken, consumers have spoken, we don't want them.
It's not a saving because the depreciation is horrendous, the insurance is expensive and some might refuse to cover EVs. The battery life span a lot less than ICE vehicles. If you really need a car for distance EVs are not suitable and only suitable for town short trips but all anti car policies in major cities would definitely just cheaper to take public transport and a Taxi when necessary.
Thing is, if electric cars are as good as the government tells us, why are all official government cars powered by petrol and diesel?
Because EV's can't replace every role and ICE car can do. Like all new concepts and technologies, they need to evolve. Would you say a car from 1900 with the 1900 petrol stations would fit purpose today, of course not, but people didn't get all snowflakey about it, the persevered and saw it through to what we see now. The only difference is, you didn't have to deal with the car technologies until after they had spent 80-100 years maturing along with the petrol pump industry.
$12.000 a year for insurance on a EV,whats that tell you.Even the Insurance companies know that EVs are Coffins on wheels
£12,000 insurance on a ev, I think you’re talking bullsh@t.
Pull ya head in champ ,$12000 AUS for a new EV around $60.000 aus ,ask any Aussie insurance Company@@darthja8292
I'd never buy WeF handcuff cars. Diesel + Petrol allday long. EV = crap
Only 30% of electric sales are to the public …rest are fleet sales
Because of high depreciation of EVs, you should lease new or buy used. A lease counts as a fleet sale, are you saying people that lease are not members of the public buying for their own personal use?
great
That’s not true. But if it makes you sleep better at night then run with it.
@@synthmaker You kind of make no sense , since when does a private person leasing count as a fleet vehicle, fleet means it is used as a company vehicle not private. And leasing is not buying, I can either buy or lease not both.
@@silverdale3207
"Buying a car means that you own the vehicle once your payments have been made. A lease is an agreement to use a vehicle, new or used, for a certain number of months and miles." The leased car doesn't belong to you, it is part of the fleet of a leasing business and you have to return it at the end of the leasing period, they can then sell it as a used car. In biased stats with an agenda, they count this as a fleet buy as a desperate attempt to hide the fact EV sales keep going up and up.
Another fact they fail to mention in the UK is the BiK ( Benefit in kind ) EV tax rules that allow anyone that owns an Ltd company to by an EV with amazing tax benefits making a huge difference. They can then use the car for personal use completely legally. For example, even though I'm employed full time I have a small eBay business and an Ltd, if I bough an EV new ( I bought mine used ) I'd definitely take advantage of BiK and my car would then count as a fleet buy.
My main point though is that fleet or no fleet doesn't matter at all, a sale is a sale. When someone separates it it's a symptom of an agenda so they can create a completely misleading title that gives the impression that EV sales are declining when in reality it's the exact opposite, they know most people are too lazy to dig deeper.
You wouldn't believe how excessive the inventory is and how thick dust tan is on every brand new Mercedes EV on the lot at my local dealership. NOBODY wants them. They barely keep them on the prime part of the lot because no one's interested.
Another con. They are not fit for purpose.
I said to the wife yesterday that they were OK for buzzing around a town centre. But most town centres have public transport, so they're probably unnecessary. However, if you live out in the sticks, well, good luck.
They can stick electric cars
Where the sun don't shine!
@@zog97xy Only Lizzo could accommodate one of those.
A lot of EV sales statistics are false in the UK as the dealers are registering them so that they fudge the required sales figures and can be discounted as used, just look at all of the Porsche Taycans for sale with very little mileage recorded.
Going to back this up with any sources or just putting a lie out there in hope you don’t get challenged on it 🥲
Manufacturers have done this for decades so that they can say their brand sold better than the competition.
@Audioremedy0785 loads of MGs, pre owned but with only delivery mileage on them at the dealers. Just look.
@@ghunt9146 the level of delusion is honestly unreal.
@@Audioremedy0785 Porsche GB website lists 15 ‘pre-owned’ Taycans with 20 or less miles recorded. So the dealer will have registered them, so counts as a sale, negotiated extra discount with Porsche and listed them for sale. Not many people buy a car do 6 miles (there’s one listed with 6 miles) and then hand it back to the dealer.Even more depressing is the price of one with 5000 miles.
If governments continue to push EV's with the existing battery technology, it will be disastrous. For the environment as well as the consumer.
How will it be disastrous for the environment…? Or more specifically, how will it be any worse than using the last of our oil.
@@Audioremedy0785 The environmental impact of producing a new car, especially one requiring so many rare-earth minerals like the cobalt that EV's do, FAR outweighs any perceived benefit from emissions (which in turn are only secondary benefits, since the electricity itself is largely fossil fuel based).
Solid state batteries might make their use more viable, but that technology is a long way from being realized.
In summary, the most environmentally sound car you will ever own, is the one you don't replace.
@@lefroy1 the emissions of manufacturing an EV are higher. But the break even point is less than 2 years. And this will improve more as we move to renewables. 👍🏻👍🏻
@@Audioremedy0785 'Or more specifically, how will it be any worse than using the last of our oil.'
.there is still millions of gallons available .. But lituim is finite and even recycling presents its hazards but lets look at ALL the facts on the recent reports all available online about lithium mining (sic)
'While we applaud the strides toward a greener future, it is important to acknowledge the challenges involved with the production of these clean energy solutions.
Ecological devastation is a bleak reality
The environmental fallout from lithium mining is clear and far-reaching. Massive quantities of fresh water, classified as a precious resource in these arid regions, are diverted for lithium mining operations, fuelling the salt flats brine. This leaves local communities and wildlife parched. Sulfuric acid and sodium hydroxide used in lithium extraction penetrate the soil and water, poisoning ecosystems and endangering species.
Deforestation, habitat destruction and water pollution further exacerbate the ecological toll. The delicate balance of nature is disrupted, which leaves long-lasting damage that takes generations to heal. The carbon dioxide and other greenhouse emissions that come with the process of lithium mining, extraction and overall production are worse for the climate than the production of fossil fuel-powered vehicles.'
and another
'According to a report by Friends of the Earth (FoE), lithium extraction inevitably harms the soil and causes air contamination. As demand rises, the mining impacts are “increasingly affecting communities where this harmful extraction takes place, jeopardising their access to water,” says the report.'
and another
'It’s not just the clearing of land to make way for lithium extraction facilities that impacts the environment, the extraction process itself is also damaging. Particularly where salt flat brines are involved.
One of the biggest environmental concerns when it comes to the salt flat brine method of lithium extraction is the vast quantities of water involved. The use of evaporation ponds to separate the lithium requires huge amounts of water. In fact, in order to produce just one tonne of lithium, nearly 2.2 million litres of water is required.
The water comes from underground sources, something that has been linked to the depletion of groundwater levels in surrounding areas of land which is inhospitable and un-farmable.
This heavy use of valuable water resources, coupled with issues of contamination from the lithium extraction process'
but its not on your doorstep is it so it doesnt matter
Far too much money hss been spent on electrified railways and buses just to suddenly de-electrify it all now. To de-electrify the trains and buses now would effectively be billions spent on another project abandoned midstream.
Cannot help laugh at the gullable virtual signallers who look down on everyone else realising they been sold a tart in the (battery) not electric cars 😂😂😂😂
Not green a con job.
The last page of the use and maintenance manual of every electric car should indicate "the bus timetables".
Useful when you run out of batteries...
Not only does the battery cost a fortune to replace, but because of the EV cars' weight, they wear out tyres quicker so you have to spend thousands each year replacing them.
Thousands of pounds😂
I did 15000 miles in an EV and didn't need a new set of tyres.
Besides that a new set of tyres was £400.
You can wear em out if you're heavy footed but only because they do 0-60 in 6 seconds.
Ya don't need to change the brakes as often. No cambelt change needed, no oil or oil filter..
Save your money people, don't do it. 😮😢
What could be greener than re using old motors and repairing them with spares from a scrapyard? If it ain't broke why fix it? ...unless you will personally profit from the 'fix'
Yep, I restored my old tractor, a 1943 vintage a few years ago, could still buy most of the parts online. Is now probably better than it came out of the factory for a fraction of the cost of a new one. Can't get any more environmentally friendly than that.
The average, gas and electric utility bill, rates, mortgages, food prices wages held below inflation for 14 yes, taxes and natjonal insurance yes that's right the average working person is in poverty so the woke corrupt crooked career politicians and their net zero con thinks of more ways to tax us for Ukraine and to keep illegal immigrants whilst our own homeless and working poor are in poverty we will go out and buy overpriced electric vehicles. How thick do they think we are. They are so out of touch its frightening. We the silent majority may not be woke but thanks to them we are awake. The revolt is starting so they now refer to the peace loving law abiding silent majority as extreme right wing. No we are not. Let your new citizens fight your wars see how that works, just don't stand in their sights. Vote reform UK or independents your country needs you more than ever.
You know how leasing is effectively paying for the cars depreciation, the manufacturers will have to pay me the depreciation in order to take an ev. 😂
Who wrote this article anyway. Insurance companies refusing to insure EVs has nothing to do with the unpredictability of the battery life or the resale value of the vehicles. They couldn't care less about that as it doesn't impact them.
The reasons they are citing are the high repair costs, length of time it takes to repair them and the potential of them catching fire & causing catastrophic damage to themselves and their surroundings, all of which, make them a huge liability to insure.
Current sales are a reflection of this and the many other associated cons of EVs ie: lack of infrastructure, range & range anxiety, charging times, high repair costs, unpredictable battery life, low resale value etc ... as mentioned.
I genuinely don't care how my car is powered as long as it's affordable and practical. Current EVs are the equivalent of the old gas-guzzlers but now with electricity. They all weigh 2-3 tonnes and go from 0-60 in about 3 seconds. How 'green' is that really?
How is weight and acceleration relative to how green something is…?
It's called physics. @@Audioremedy0785
Because higher weight and faster acceleration both use more energy.
@@TheMistyBlueLounge but electric cars are significantly more efficient with the energy they use. So it’s a totally mute point. Plus they are only typically 30% heavier than their ICE equivalent.
@@Audioremedy0785 Weight is a big factor as damaging the roads quicker and some car parks can not accept them
I am waiting for the government to give me a 100% rebate to buy one. At that point, the "positive value" of owning one exceeds the "negative value of" owning one!
Blind Freddie could see that it was inevitable that sales would fall dramatically once all of the virtue signalers had made their purchase.
Wait until the battery packs start failing in large numbers as these cars age. When the word gets out that it costs more to replace the battery than the vehicle is worth it will be the final nail in the coffin.
When all the people pushing this nonsense - such as politicians - are themselves driving EVs perhaps I will start to listen to what they have to say!
Maybe people just can't afford them, since they are typically more expensive than the petrol or diesel alternative ????
I took my car in for its service and asked the young lass how many cars had been selling. She laughed and said we can’t give EVs away but loads of people were buying second hand petrol cars they’re struggling keeping stocked with little cheap run arounds
It’s a shame,nice cars however they have huge issues,not to mention the high prices.
Saw a video the other day of a man who had to kick out his window to get out of his Tesla because the battery had failed, started to smoke, it locked all the doors and he was trapped. The car went up in flames.
Teslas have a manual release.
Yeah he could have just opened the door with the latch that’s right next to the button to open the door. Was probably clickbait. Bit it got you.
I find it hilarious, watching these ‘early adopters’ squirming as their experiment goes down the drain !!!
Blind Freddy could see these things had way too many compromises to start with !!!
The Early adopters will end up being the ONLY adopters.
Car manufacturers have to sell 20% of sales as EV's or they get a huge fine. Also, any secondhand EV that has been charged using a fast chargers will have a battery that will give up quicker I read the other day. So Dealers have to sell new EV's to meet targets so why would they bother stocking used ones?
Porsche Taycan turbo s brand new £170k, delivery miles used and registered trade is £65-£70
It was obvious 🤷🏻♂️
still worth jackshite when you sell it,
We need to understand why politicians are pushing so hard on EVs. What are they not telling us?
Make personal transportation so bad you'll give up and accept 15 minute cities?
EV's are unique, they are the only vehicle I know of that has a tank that gets smaller every time its topped up.
EV's are a very good way of turning tens of thousands into not very much at all.
I have owned an ev for just under 3 years. Its got to go as I am tired of waiting for chargers and when I am.on one over an hour and now the huge cost to charge it. And today insurance renewal of £400 more than last year. Enough now. I am going back to a diesel.
Australian here. I lived in central London for three years from 2017 and noticed the air quality was not good (like much of Europe and industrialised countries) and I developed an interest in this. The MAIN benefit of electric vehicles is the air pollution-sparing effect - I think this is more important than the greenhouse gas emissions - at least initially. The Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health estimates that 44 000 people in Britain die each year from preventable air pollution most of which comes from vehicles. This pollution hangs around around roads locally where it is produced continuously. This is a major health problem that is not yet in the public mind - nor sufficiently in the minds of politicians. These health risks are not just a slight breathing difficulty or asthma exacerbation but cancer, diabetes, dementia, atherosclerosis (heart attacks and strokes), obesity, pulmonary diseases, fetal and child development problems, cataracts, immune disorders, neurological disorders, higher risk for some psychiatric conditions such as depression and the list goes on. Globally about 6.5 million people die from air pollution yearly. So drive combustion vehicles if you must but consider the effects on yourselves and others, especially children both born and unborn.
Imagine if we all had EVs and ICE was the new tech. They would sell like hot cakes. 2 to 3 times the range, refuel in 5 minutes, no range anxiety, it will have twice the life, cheaper insurance, fewer new tyres, it won't get written off for a minor crash and won't depreciate vertically.
Woke
Once V2G becomes standard overnight electricity will become free
Range has doubled over the last few years and ev cost next to nothing to maintain and has a shelf life of 400k miles
Yes but you MUST visit a place to refuel it and pay 10 times the price you pay to drive a car you could fuel at home.
Those lovely smelling emmissions from the exhaust are so nice too.
Don’t worry you’ll surely save money on all the cheap maintenance on the engine to prevent it from rattling apart. Oil, filter, plugs, all that stuff costs nothing and hardly ever needs done.
Never mind I’m sure it just great and refreshing going outside in -2 to scrape ice from the windshields, breathing in all the fumes from the warming engine, while your family look at you thinking “what a fool, we could have had a self defrosting electric one”
@martinr8278 Woke is an adjective derived from African-American Vernacular English (AAVE) meaning "alert to racial prejudice and discrimination". Beginning in the 2010s, it came to encompass a broader awareness of social inequalities such as racial injustice, sexism, and denial of LGBT rights.
It's not the best time to buy one even if they where giving them away, it will always be in the back of your mind will it catch fire. I wouldn't risk it. Maybe you won't be able to get house insurance if one is kept in a garage or close by outside.
Honestly, mes amis, ALL EV'S, vehicles of a Fool's Paradise, are but a fanciful dream...a Wet Dream.
New EV owners have just had any running cost savings obliterated by the depreciation costs. Virtue signalling can cost you dearly…..
Yet when they were not discounted they were ‘too expensive’.
The most heavily discounted cars are the Stellantis group…and they are just bad cars on average.
Govs can't allow the market to decide. It goes against the overarching plan dictated to them.
Is it "woke up" or "wake up", Toyota has given the Lithium ion battery full electric car 10 years, and then it is all over.
The main issue here is that there's not really a second hand market due to the batteries and lack of charging infrastructure.
Our governments want us to "go green" - but the price to charge an EV (at a pole) is ridiculously high. Because we have no garage we cannot install a charge point on our house either......
EV's, an illogical solution to an imaginary problem.
what makes be laugh is the companies that have used EV to reduce taxes, i saw a recent video where companies who supply company cars are liable to pay back a large chunk of money when they finish with them
My 18 year old car cost me £750 six years ago. Low mileage, well maintained and sails through MOT. I am in a different world to the telephone numbers quoted by Mike, even at those discounted prices.
The whole EV thing is falling apart,with fires,insurance costs and charging problems it’s now dead in the water,the prices are another problem plus there worth salt secondhand who in their right mind would invest in going electric ??? Forgetting the safety aspect of these vehicles I’ve said right from the start that not enough thought has been put into production and the charging of EVs is pitiful and the mere thought of trucks being battery powered is fantasy given the mileages these vehicles cover and the places they go. Until they install nuclear power into these vehicles with all the danger’s that goes with that I don’t see a future for electric vehicles any time soon, if they were cheaper to purchase than an ICE vehicle I still wouldn’t want one let alone pay a premium price for one, Teslas days are numbered given the number of fires in their vehicles and one man died when it went on fire and he couldn’t get out because the doors wouldn’t open,who would buy a vehicle like that ???.
How can you possibly say that it’s ’dead in the water’ given that the world’s most popular car is an EV 🤣🤣🤣 you guys honestly live on another planet.
@@Audioremedy0785 I wish I could live on another planet,it couldn’t possibly be any worse than than the shite we currently have to deal with,your entitled to your opinion but millions of people who won’t buy EVs can’t be wrong.
@@davidellis279 are their stubborn opinions going to power their automobiles when we run out of oil?
@@Audioremedy0785 You certainly do.
The best use for an electric vehicle was discovered 60 years ago and that was delivering your milk to the doorstep.
Memories...
Im now getting ready for the ev revolution, bought a new Mustang V8, does about 300 to the tank, reducers if you push the right pedal hard, goes like hell, is ULES compliant and only emitts butterflies out of the 4 tailpipes. Or is it there's a butterfly in the exhaust!? Hmmm 😮 does have a better soundtrack though....
Wake up people!!! Open your mind to the possibility that it's the kings new clothes.....
EV's and heat pumps are a bad joke.
I have an 08 mondeo with less than 100k on it. I prefer to spend the money on maintaining that vehicle, not spunking 25k (that i cant afford) on some adult scalectrix affair.
He talks about a Vauxhall Mokka and then says you could go continental and buy a Peugeot - the last time I checked Vauxhall was owned by Peugeot. So much for how much this guy knows.
Mike this, think about it, is the start of all cars off the road banning repairing cars, petrol's diesel out, electric cars cost and lack of charging points , not to mention the out of this world insurance costs etc. all slowly moving into a carless society, and is just the begging of what is to follow, horrendous events coming soon.