"finally"? I'd say clickies are alive and well. The mass market switches with click bars, click jackets etc. are all relatively new. This one is another beast tho and I'm looking forward to the feel in tactile especially (I like the clicky feel, but my colleagues don't. I hate linears).
Holy sh*t finally someone did it. Some actual switch innovation for once instead of just changing the plastic composition or f*cking around with stem length.
@elongatingmuskrats indeed it was but that was a while ago and we haven’t real seen much else since. The last 2 years have been nothing but very minor changes to the exact same switch design.
I've seen the prototype of this concept for quite a while ago. I thought the project was scraped and I'll never see Cherry MX with Alps leaves again. Glad that they finally did it into production.
Wow I thought they were cool at first but the ability to change these over to tactiles without the click makes these super tempting for me now. Some serious competition to click bar switches finally too.
Wow, this could be the most interesting innovation in the MX Range for me since the Clickbar switches hit the scene a few years back! Looking forward to seeing how this develops!
@@Maitreya3001 I believe the patent is just for the conversion. So there's probably still room for separate tactiles and clickies using a leaf spring. If they tried to patent their leaf spring there's too much prior art, if that was granted they could easily lose it in court.
@@thumbwarriordx Wow I took a look myself, nearly two dollars of my local currency per-switch, a price near doubling some of the more expensive MX Switches! Until that is resolved to something at least a little more reasonable (and actually recognized by a reputable voice like Chyros' as being worthy of purchase of course), I will be sticking with my buckling springs and clicky box switches, that is for sure!
1.30 a switch isn't bad if it's comparable to clicky alps. Especially good if it's resistant to dirt and dust like a regular MX style switch. I do hope this catches on so we can see the other brands try this out.
Steep for an MX switch, sure, but if you want good clickies, your options are slim. Space Invaders are nearly impossible to build customs with. Then there are Alps which have poor keycap options. That leaves SMK 2nd gen. which are impossible to come by these days. 1.30 for a fully MX compatible clicky is excellent.
@@nonnegaard Its still a bollocks amount of money for a switch. A kailh box is below 0,40 per switch. If you specificly want clickleaf cherry MX style and compare it to vintage offerings yes. The price is basically mostly about skimming willing buyers rather then actually basing the price more on what the switch cost in production i guess. No way this switch is actually 3 times as expensive to manufacture, even if you count in the heavy design work and lower volumes.
@@prokopf-9332 comparing them to box switches is dumb. i personally hate the tiny, thin sound that click bars make. I actually prefer click jackets. I like my clickies raspy and full bodied, and at the very least click jackets fulfill one of those criteria. Definitely also the most expensive mx switch to produce out there right now. Not only is it a brand new product that has taken far more effort to design than a jwk recolor, zeal is a premium brand that charges premium prices but guarantees an excellent product. diminishing returns definitely exists, but if you cant see why these switches cost what they do, youre just not the target audience.
Click jackets also have their advantages. The tactile bump and the click "sandwiches" the actuation - which ties the click and actuation parts of the mechanism. Badly calibrated switches that rely on a separate click mechanism (e.g. Kailh clickbars, which are set way too high up) often end up with switches that click regardless of whether you actuate them.
Wow. Is this the ultimate modern switch? ...Well, I guess to make it the ultimate you'd need to make it contactless with, like, Hall effect, although it would also make it less versatile.
It depends what you want. It's definitely not for the brown fans, and without a force graph it's hard to compare to the clickbars. And obviously, as it isn't non contact, it's not going to be a fantastic linear. It's also more expensive than buying yellows, navy blues and royals
And the click leaves have CURVED legs, just like my beloved APC leaves that have that wonderful, smooth tactility and sound so very nice when put in ALPS housings. This could be a dream come true! Crossing my fingers on this one.
The stem reminds me of pheonix switches. This switch is really interesting though, I thought it was just another mx switch that we already have too many of. Pleasantly surprised some innovation was attempted
I've been thinking someone should do something like this inside of an MX form factor. Glad to see we're finally getting there. Hopefully we can get even more radical designs set inside of a cherry mx housing.
Zeal makes amazing switches, been using his stuff since the original zealios. I've since become obsessed with my model f remake, but will eventually grab some of these. Thanks for the review!
Quite interesting, however at 1.50 USD a switch (currently 1.30) that's a really high price and its also really disappointing he's trying to patent the modular click leaf instead of open sourcing it. We didn't have all these variety of switches or more budget oriented mechanical keyboards until the cherry patent expired, if cherry renewed their patent we probably wouldn't have a lot of the switches we currently have. I know patents are supposed to protect your design from being stolen, but this feels more like Zeal is only trying to patent it so nobody else can make a lower priced modular click leaf mx based switch that out competes his design, sorta like how Asetek patented a CPU liquid cooler design that has stalled any innovation in that area because nobody can make a change to the design without violating their patent.
Zeal's MO has always been to corner the market for expensive premium parts. I appreciate that there's substance behind most of his products, but he basically thrives off of putting them behind an excessively big paywall to give them the air of exclusivity. It lets him cultivate a niche following of fanboys who're invested in finding their endgame in his products, and whom he often employed as attack dogs against criticism from the community. Just look at the moral outrage and high horses everyone were on when the Stealios controversy happened. Ultimately, JWK/Durocks became a staple in the community despite his efforts to nip them in the bud. That probably hit his ego hard, so now he's going for a patent. And we can be sure that he's going to lord that over the community for years with actual legal protection. Chinese factories can and will clone the design because most intellectual property laws mean shit in China. It's being able to sell it in places where American patents are enforced that'll be difficult.
Zealpc is honestly pretty scummy though. Incredibly overpriced for what you get. Any JWK can outdo many of their switches. Hell, even their stabs are overpriced and in general all of their products aren’t worth it. Really unfortunate because they do have some decent stuff. Will probably preorder a few of their new switches, but seeing how things are I might think otherwise
Yup, personally I'm just gonna wait to see if some Chinese companies are gonna clone them since lol when does China care about patent law, would rather get cheap, decent clones than support those losers. That, or just save up for some decent legit Alps. Fuck Zeal. (also fuck Asetek)
The option to have a genuinely tactile switch that isn't clicky makes these super appealing for a keyboard that you bring to work or other situations where a clicky keyboard might be annoying to others. So far I was always sticking with linear switches or rubber-domes in those cases because I really don't like any of cherry style quiet tactile switches I've tried. Definitely gonna give this a shot at some point.
ooh something new on the MX clicky market. The last time there was something interesting were the kailh clickbar switches. I'm very interested in your review of the switch
Technically these aren’t even the first modern Cherry type switches to use a click leaf. That honor goes to Gateron low profile blue, which is closer to Cherry ML or Kailh Choc but slightly different, and also it’s MX mount. If you haven’t gotten some you should definitely take a look at them.
Very exciting stuff. Almost regretted ordering a bunch of Kailh BOX Burnt Orange just the other day, until I saw the price of these. Around 3.5 times more expensive than KBBO. Maybe next time if the price has come down.
Sounds fantastic. I have been interested in Alps, but gave up on the idea because of the reliability issues and the fact that they are not made anymore and will only become more rare as time goes by. So I ended up going with box switches. Can't wait for the review.
@@Supertimegamingify Pink, but if I built the keyboard now, I would have picked Jade. I type too much, so the lighter weight would have been a little better, I think.
@@censoredterminalautism4073 @censored terminal autism As a person who have tried all of the BOX clickies I can tell you that Jades are not lighter than Pinks. The increased tactility makes the Jades harder to actuate than the Pinks while the Pinks have more resistance after the click. If you need something that feels even lighter you may need to go for BOX Whites.
@@erikchan002 Well, the main difference is that the Jades must have a sharper curve. I do like the Pinks, though, I just theorize that a little less weight could improve my endurance.
Wondering if the smaller, tapered housing affects the sound noticeably. And how the feels and sound compare to Matias of course. Bet the build quality is better. I bet click leaves like that decay over time faster than a solid piece of plastic. Zeal should let you order a bag of loose replacement leaves.
@@tompramanaaccount8892 also it’s not covered under warranty if you open the switch. Lol. “Please note that this mod will require opening the switch, and we do not provide any warranties or replacements for user damaged switches or leafs.”
@@transpiler hahaha yeah when I read my comment again that actually sounds so silly, of course it doesn't work that way. Nonetheless it's interesting switch, let's see what happen in his next review.
@@tompramanaaccount8892 Opening the switches and changing the klick leaf is a lot more work then just swapping switches. You need to properly store the parts if you remove them as well. And biggest issue= we dont know yet how they perform linear or tactile, if they are mediocre or even shite it doesnt make sense to do this mod when there are good standalone switches availeable.
When I want a clicky Alps to be tactile I just put a bead of superlube oil around the hammer on the back of the leaf spring. But maybe an extra vicious tactility is what the fans want?
Key to whether I get these or not is going to be the stem wobble. Zeal's current V2 lineup is pretty bad and almost unusable with SA caps. Here's hoping they've fixed it some.
Thanks for this video! I ordered a 10-pack of each weight to try out in a macro pad. I recently switched from a Datadesk SmartBoard (which has Alps SKCM black switches) to a Keebio FoldKB (which I built with Kailh box silent brown switches). I like the dampened sound, but I miss the tactile feel of the Alps. Is it possible to frankenswitch this and use a Zilent stem to get a silent tactile switch?
Now this is interesting and I almost consider getting them.. Though I have no idea where I would use them in. Also what the hell is that price, come on zeal.
Judging from ZealPC's own force curves, at least as tactile if not more so. Like, a ~40 gram drop to Jade's ~30 grams. Alps SKCM Amber are pretty comparable to Box Jades, and that's the vintage switch these will most closely resemble. The main differences I'd expect are that (1) the pre-travel might be a bit less bunched up right before the tactile drop than in Box clickies, and (2) the post-travel will be more flat and less linear. But those are just guesses based on the force curves any my own experience with White/Orange Alps.
@@radioactivehalfrhyme That sounds good, it worth a try. The only problem is the price, I try to stay around/under 50-60 cents/switch, this is way more than that. Almost as much the rest of the board I use.
Are any leaf springs from the extended Alps family compatible? Acer click leaves are smaller than Alps from what I recall, so perhaps those could fit here. That idea with making the switch tactile with the same parts is wicked, I love it
This is awesome. Thank you! I did not know about the 3 in 1 tactility option. I'd like to know your impression of using them. Any difference between click and actuation (is that hysteresis?). I'm loving this development.
Seeing as the clicker and actuation mechanism are separate components, the click will never sync up perfectly, the question remains how far apart they are. Tactility also plays a part in this, when typing on highly tactily clicky switches you will inevitably 'shoot past' the actuation when pressing a key normally. This is why you sometimes hear people complain about the actuation not being in sync with the click on MX Blues or BOX Whites, but never when discussing BOX Jades.
So the click mechanism is independent of the contact leaf, just like how kailh's clickbars work? My expectations for the switch is very low then considering how kailh's clickbar switches have issues where you can get the click but not actuate or the other way around.
A three in one switch... Just imagine that! And it's based on a cherry mx design! This is quite the change of paste for mx type switches, never seen this kind of thing around! Too bad that since it's Zeal, they're probably gonna charge over a dollar on one unit lol
Hoping your full review of these is positive because I really want to try clicky alps but am unwilling to trust Matias and don’t even want to try finding/restoring vintage! But of course if your impression is negative overall, that would save us lots of money lol.
Can I ask a possibly stupid question: are there any switches on the market right now where the click is actually and completely coincidental to the switch actuation? Basic toggle switches do this. Buckling spring do this. But I feel like these current keyboard switches, you could get clicks without actuations, or actuations without clicks. Rarely, mind you, and only when worn or dirty, but it's still extremely dissatisfying.
@@Chyrosran22 Thanks for the response. I know you will give your opinion in the review, so I understand if you decide to withhold answering this, but what do you think of the 100g variant? That seems really heavy to me, but maybe the tactility is so sharp, fast, and extreme that it isn't that bad in practice. Like, how would you say it compares to a Unicomp model M for example in terms of stiffness? Again, I understand if you don't want to answer that now.
@@copper4eva Choice of different spring weightings aren't a particularly interesting point of discussion IMO. 100 g is too stiff for me, but perfect for people who like 100 g weightings. That's really about as much as can be said about that xD .
Man I dont know these sound promising but I doubt it will be enough to take me away from my buckling spring mini m board. Clicky switches aka actual tactile switches for life son!
I'll be getting these for my work keyboard but man its gonna hurt. Me being in love with 104 key boards means buying a LOT of them. This is the first thing that has me tempted away from my Box Jades though.
The one thing deterring me is the price of these things, but I must say, finally something for the clicky enthusiasts! I’m glad.
And tactile. I think that the tactile development is even more important since click bars were a huge improvement over the cherry click jacket design.
The only thing that justifies the price for me is that it’s basically 3 switches in 1.
Yea the price is a complete joke
@@justanotherpxrson I mean he could've mass produced them, but there is no money involved in doing that, gotta keep shit niche
"finally"?
I'd say clickies are alive and well. The mass market switches with click bars, click jackets etc. are all relatively new.
This one is another beast tho and I'm looking forward to the feel in tactile especially (I like the clicky feel, but my colleagues don't. I hate linears).
This is the best development I've seen since the BOX series was introduced!
Holy sh*t finally someone did it. Some actual switch innovation for once instead of just changing the plastic composition or f*cking around with stem length.
*increases stem length by 0.01mm*
"Better sound profile!"
Oh hush
@elongatingmuskrats indeed it was but that was a while ago and we haven’t real seen much else since. The last 2 years have been nothing but very minor changes to the exact same switch design.
It isn't innovation, it's a copy of the proworld. However im excited to try these.
I've seen the prototype of this concept for quite a while ago. I thought the project was scraped and I'll never see Cherry MX with Alps leaves again. Glad that they finally did it into production.
Definitely gonna have to give these a try someday. I always hoped somebody would make some switches like these.
Wow I thought they were cool at first but the ability to change these over to tactiles without the click makes these super tempting for me now. Some serious competition to click bar switches finally too.
Wow, this could be the most interesting innovation in the MX Range for me since the Clickbar switches hit the scene a few years back! Looking forward to seeing how this develops!
...except at like 4 times the price.
I hope to god this concept gets developed at a price that is at most half of what Zeal is going for.
@@thumbwarriordx if they get the patent, the price will stay the same and noone will be able to clone legally until the patent runs out
@@Maitreya3001 lol china will absolutely clone it, but thats not a good thing and i hope people dont buy the clones
@@Maitreya3001 I believe the patent is just for the conversion. So there's probably still room for separate tactiles and clickies using a leaf spring.
If they tried to patent their leaf spring there's too much prior art, if that was granted they could easily lose it in court.
@@thumbwarriordx Wow I took a look myself, nearly two dollars of my local currency per-switch, a price near doubling some of the more expensive MX Switches! Until that is resolved to something at least a little more reasonable (and actually recognized by a reputable voice like Chyros' as being worthy of purchase of course), I will be sticking with my buckling springs and clicky box switches, that is for sure!
$1.30/switch is a bit steep. Looking forward to see if these takeoff in a year from now.
1.30 a switch isn't bad if it's comparable to clicky alps. Especially good if it's resistant to dirt and dust like a regular MX style switch. I do hope this catches on so we can see the other brands try this out.
Steep for an MX switch, sure, but if you want good clickies, your options are slim. Space Invaders are nearly impossible to build customs with. Then there are Alps which have poor keycap options. That leaves SMK 2nd gen. which are impossible to come by these days. 1.30 for a fully MX compatible clicky is excellent.
@@nonnegaard Its still a bollocks amount of money for a switch. A kailh box is below 0,40 per switch. If you specificly want clickleaf cherry MX style and compare it to vintage offerings yes. The price is basically mostly about skimming willing buyers rather then actually basing the price more on what the switch cost in production i guess. No way this switch is actually 3 times as expensive to manufacture, even if you count in the heavy design work and lower volumes.
@@prokopf-9332 comparing them to box switches is dumb. i personally hate the tiny, thin sound that click bars make. I actually prefer click jackets. I like my clickies raspy and full bodied, and at the very least click jackets fulfill one of those criteria. Definitely also the most expensive mx switch to produce out there right now. Not only is it a brand new product that has taken far more effort to design than a jwk recolor, zeal is a premium brand that charges premium prices but guarantees an excellent product. diminishing returns definitely exists, but if you cant see why these switches cost what they do, youre just not the target audience.
143 for a full set of 110 switches? That's almost the price of my actual keyboard
Click jackets also have their advantages. The tactile bump and the click "sandwiches" the actuation - which ties the click and actuation parts of the mechanism.
Badly calibrated switches that rely on a separate click mechanism (e.g. Kailh clickbars, which are set way too high up) often end up with switches that click regardless of whether you actuate them.
Wow. Is this the ultimate modern switch? ...Well, I guess to make it the ultimate you'd need to make it contactless with, like, Hall effect, although it would also make it less versatile.
It depends what you want. It's definitely not for the brown fans, and without a force graph it's hard to compare to the clickbars. And obviously, as it isn't non contact, it's not going to be a fantastic linear. It's also more expensive than buying yellows, navy blues and royals
Ok, my bad, they're still less tactile than box switches, though the tactility may be more pleasing compared to the royals.
Very exciting to see something new arrive besides a bunch of tweaked MX clones. These look promising. I can't wait to check out your review on them.
I'd love to pre-order these now but they're quite expensive. I'll wait for the review.
And the click leaves have CURVED legs, just like my beloved APC leaves that have that wonderful, smooth tactility and sound so very nice when put in ALPS housings. This could be a dream come true! Crossing my fingers on this one.
This sounds amazing, especially as a tactile version
The stem reminds me of pheonix switches. This switch is really interesting though, I thought it was just another mx switch that we already have too many of. Pleasantly surprised some innovation was attempted
I've been thinking someone should do something like this inside of an MX form factor. Glad to see we're finally getting there. Hopefully we can get even more radical designs set inside of a cherry mx housing.
Oh man, this switch might make me want to build my own custom keyboard, excited to see the review!
Preordered them around a week ago. Really excited to try them.
which ones did you get 40 or 70g, if i may ask?
@@P3ktoRis Got both lol
@@enderbrine3000 ¸how do they feel? 100g too heavy?
Zeal makes amazing switches, been using his stuff since the original zealios. I've since become obsessed with my model f remake, but will eventually grab some of these. Thanks for the review!
Quite interesting, however at 1.50 USD a switch (currently 1.30) that's a really high price and its also really disappointing he's trying to patent the modular click leaf instead of open sourcing it.
We didn't have all these variety of switches or more budget oriented mechanical keyboards until the cherry patent expired, if cherry renewed their patent we probably wouldn't have a lot of the switches we currently have.
I know patents are supposed to protect your design from being stolen, but this feels more like Zeal is only trying to patent it so nobody else can make a lower priced modular click leaf mx based switch that out competes his design, sorta like how Asetek patented a CPU liquid cooler design that has stalled any innovation in that area because nobody can make a change to the design without violating their patent.
Zeal's MO has always been to corner the market for expensive premium parts. I appreciate that there's substance behind most of his products, but he basically thrives off of putting them behind an excessively big paywall to give them the air of exclusivity. It lets him cultivate a niche following of fanboys who're invested in finding their endgame in his products, and whom he often employed as attack dogs against criticism from the community. Just look at the moral outrage and high horses everyone were on when the Stealios controversy happened.
Ultimately, JWK/Durocks became a staple in the community despite his efforts to nip them in the bud. That probably hit his ego hard, so now he's going for a patent. And we can be sure that he's going to lord that over the community for years with actual legal protection. Chinese factories can and will clone the design because most intellectual property laws mean shit in China. It's being able to sell it in places where American patents are enforced that'll be difficult.
Zealpc is honestly pretty scummy though. Incredibly overpriced for what you get. Any JWK can outdo many of their switches. Hell, even their stabs are overpriced and in general all of their products aren’t worth it. Really unfortunate because they do have some decent stuff. Will probably preorder a few of their new switches, but seeing how things are I might think otherwise
It's ridiculous
Yup, personally I'm just gonna wait to see if some Chinese companies are gonna clone them since lol when does China care about patent law, would rather get cheap, decent clones than support those losers. That, or just save up for some decent legit Alps. Fuck Zeal. (also fuck Asetek)
@@Boyetto-san We can only hope clones will start popping up on Aliexpresss/Taobao, hopefully won't be too long.
Hi Thomas. Very nice switch. There're new Kailh box mute jade too.
The option to have a genuinely tactile switch that isn't clicky makes these super appealing for a keyboard that you bring to work or other situations where a clicky keyboard might be annoying to others. So far I was always sticking with linear switches or rubber-domes in those cases because I really don't like any of cherry style quiet tactile switches I've tried. Definitely gonna give this a shot at some point.
ooh something new on the MX clicky market. The last time there was something interesting were the kailh clickbar switches. I'm very interested in your review of the switch
Technically these aren’t even the first modern Cherry type switches to use a click leaf. That honor goes to Gateron low profile blue, which is closer to Cherry ML or Kailh Choc but slightly different, and also it’s MX mount. If you haven’t gotten some you should definitely take a look at them.
Just ordered some cant wait to put them to the test.
How long will it take for the review? In case they're any good, I'd pre-order them in a heartbeat and I definitely wouldn't wanna miss them.
Very exciting stuff. Almost regretted ordering a bunch of Kailh BOX Burnt Orange just the other day, until I saw the price of these. Around 3.5 times more expensive than KBBO. Maybe next time if the price has come down.
Sounds fantastic. I have been interested in Alps, but gave up on the idea because of the reliability issues and the fact that they are not made anymore and will only become more rare as time goes by. So I ended up going with box switches. Can't wait for the review.
Which of the box switches did you choose?
@@Supertimegamingify Pink, but if I built the keyboard now, I would have picked Jade. I type too much, so the lighter weight would have been a little better, I think.
@@censoredterminalautism4073 @censored terminal autism As a person who have tried all of the BOX clickies I can tell you that Jades are not lighter than Pinks. The increased tactility makes the Jades harder to actuate than the Pinks while the Pinks have more resistance after the click.
If you need something that feels even lighter you may need to go for BOX Whites.
@@erikchan002 Well, the main difference is that the Jades must have a sharper curve. I do like the Pinks, though, I just theorize that a little less weight could improve my endurance.
$1.30 per switch is nuts
Wondering if the smaller, tapered housing affects the sound noticeably. And how the feels and sound compare to Matias of course. Bet the build quality is better.
I bet click leaves like that decay over time faster than a solid piece of plastic. Zeal should let you order a bag of loose replacement leaves.
IMO the Cherry MX Blues are their own type of switch.
So you have linear, tactile, click and the blues are rattle.
Finally!
I've been waiting for this for so long!
This is exciting! But they're freaking expensive at $1.30 a switch!
I mean when you think about it, it's a 3-in-1 switch so you kinda buy 3 switches at that price
@@tompramanaaccount8892 That logic doesn’t hold because Zeal gouges just as much for his normal Gateron switches.
@@tompramanaaccount8892 also it’s not covered under warranty if you open the switch. Lol.
“Please note that this mod will require opening the switch, and we do not provide any warranties or replacements for user damaged switches or leafs.”
@@transpiler hahaha yeah when I read my comment again that actually sounds so silly, of course it doesn't work that way. Nonetheless it's interesting switch, let's see what happen in his next review.
@@tompramanaaccount8892 Opening the switches and changing the klick leaf is a lot more work then just swapping switches. You need to properly store the parts if you remove them as well. And biggest issue= we dont know yet how they perform linear or tactile, if they are mediocre or even shite it doesnt make sense to do this mod when there are good standalone switches availeable.
When I want a clicky Alps to be tactile I just put a bead of superlube oil around the hammer on the back of the leaf spring.
But maybe an extra vicious tactility is what the fans want?
I was hoping to see those switches reviewed by you!
$1.30 a switch, though. I love this idea. Let's hope the price becomes reasonable.
How would you compare the feel to the irocks? This could be my ideal switch simply thanks to the cherry pinouts for wider compatibility.
Looking forward to the review of these!
Would love to give these a go. but at $1.90AUD per switch.... will have to give it a miss.
I was legitimate thinking about these switches a few hours ago and you make a video on it
I’ve been waiting for these switches since they posted them like 3 years ago
Please test these on a board with SA caps in the review, so we can compare it to that video you made some time ago with box navies and SA caps.
Key to whether I get these or not is going to be the stem wobble. Zeal's current V2 lineup is pretty bad and almost unusable with SA caps. Here's hoping they've fixed it some.
I can't wait for the review.
Awsome. I see a possible swtching of switches in my future.
I may have to get these when my budget can allow for it.
Do I understand correctly that the click point is not the activation point? Or does the "smack" actually close the circuit?
Thanks for this video! I ordered a 10-pack of each weight to try out in a macro pad. I recently switched from a Datadesk SmartBoard (which has Alps SKCM black switches) to a Keebio FoldKB (which I built with Kailh box silent brown switches). I like the dampened sound, but I miss the tactile feel of the Alps. Is it possible to frankenswitch this and use a Zilent stem to get a silent tactile switch?
Now this is interesting and I almost consider getting them.. Though I have no idea where I would use them in.
Also what the hell is that price, come on zeal.
Whoa! I thought that I'd never see something like this!
Interesting switch, definitely looking forword to the review but oof that price tho
So, Thomas, do you have a full keyboard decked out with those?
Looks interesting. Especially that 100 gram option.
How would the tactility compare to a Box Navy or Royal?
Judging from ZealPC's own force curves, at least as tactile if not more so. Like, a ~40 gram drop to Jade's ~30 grams. Alps SKCM Amber are pretty comparable to Box Jades, and that's the vintage switch these will most closely resemble. The main differences I'd expect are that (1) the pre-travel might be a bit less bunched up right before the tactile drop than in Box clickies, and (2) the post-travel will be more flat and less linear. But those are just guesses based on the force curves any my own experience with White/Orange Alps.
@@radioactivehalfrhyme That sounds good, it worth a try. The only problem is the price, I try to stay around/under 50-60 cents/switch, this is way more than that. Almost as much the rest of the board I use.
They pale in comparison. Look at the force graphs.
@@dylanpresidafonseca2545 The force graphs show that they have an insane amount of tactility.
@@mosk11tto tactile mode matches the royals.
The noise from a lose switch is promising, not to mention actually innovating tactiles in the MX compatibly world.
Are any leaf springs from the extended Alps family compatible? Acer click leaves are smaller than Alps from what I recall, so perhaps those could fit here.
That idea with making the switch tactile with the same parts is wicked, I love it
I really want these but god I hate Zeal’s pricing.
please also make a comparison with the smk 2nd gen in the review
I'm just waiting for the day someone manages to fit a buckling spring in a cherry housing
Oh joy, Zeal is trying to patent a switch design, as if Zeal switches couldn't be overpriced enough.
I preordered 300 of these...should I have gotten more?
Yes. ;)
Damn, your wallet must've been crying after that
Very interested in these, review when?
This is awesome. Thank you! I did not know about the 3 in 1 tactility option. I'd like to know your impression of using them. Any difference between click and actuation (is that hysteresis?). I'm loving this development.
Seeing as the clicker and actuation mechanism are separate components, the click will never sync up perfectly, the question remains how far apart they are. Tactility also plays a part in this, when typing on highly tactily clicky switches you will inevitably 'shoot past' the actuation when pressing a key normally. This is why you sometimes hear people complain about the actuation not being in sync with the click on MX Blues or BOX Whites, but never when discussing BOX Jades.
Alice layout board review sometime? 👉👈🥺
Any sound test on the keyboard? Really excised on this one.
We have uploaded two typing tests with SA and Cherry profile on our TH-cam channel.
Your voice sounds so nice
So the click mechanism is independent of the contact leaf, just like how kailh's clickbars work? My expectations for the switch is very low then considering how kailh's clickbar switches have issues where you can get the click but not actuate or the other way around.
Very few switches have inherent actuation alignment, I can think of less than 10 of them, and only one is in current production; buckling springs.
these in the vid are 40G, have you tried both? can the spring be changed?
I wonder how these stack up against Box Pinks?
So these sound and feel like Blue Alps? How much do they feel like Blue Alps? Looking forward to your review.
A three in one switch... Just imagine that! And it's based on a cherry mx design! This is quite the change of paste for mx type switches, never seen this kind of thing around!
Too bad that since it's Zeal, they're probably gonna charge over a dollar on one unit lol
In their infinite magnanimity, they've lowered the price from $1.50 a switch to $1.30. X_X
@@radioactivehalfrhyme Aw how absolutely grateful I am, what a bargain!!
so exited to get these
Damn I’ll have to be picking those up soon.
Now someone put these in a 10 keyless board, and don't charge me an arm and a leg for it lol!
Not gonna lie this is very interesting!
Can't wait for the review
Is it me or does the housing actually read Gateron?
100g switches UNF
I'm rocking zealios 78g right now in my keyboard and I'm tempted to get a set of these
See Behind The Keycap!
omg, they have arrived, getting them on a preorder immediatelly. 😮😮😆😆
this is HUGE! and possibly the trigger to me building up another keeb :
Hoping your full review of these is positive because I really want to try clicky alps but am unwilling to trust Matias and don’t even want to try finding/restoring vintage! But of course if your impression is negative overall, that would save us lots of money lol.
Am I correct to think that these will have interference with cherry profile home row keycaps?
Don't think so, I'm using them with thick caps here and there's no issue at all.
if only these weren't so expensive, id switch out my silent T1s for them asap lol
Can I ask a possibly stupid question: are there any switches on the market right now where the click is actually and completely coincidental to the switch actuation? Basic toggle switches do this. Buckling spring do this. But I feel like these current keyboard switches, you could get clicks without actuations, or actuations without clicks. Rarely, mind you, and only when worn or dirty, but it's still extremely dissatisfying.
Wondering the same, other than MX Blue which is as close as it gets. Does the clicky version of Lightstrike Libra (as used in Razer Huntsman) count?
If the Silo beamspring (eventually, and hopefully) comes out, I think I'd be on that list.
answered above by Chyrosan: currently in production is only one like that - buckling spring.
Insantly clicked when I saw this. These better be good.
Finally, the cherry-alpian.
are they compatible with the SMD Leds? (Corsair K95 RGB)
I hope to God these are good!
Why do they have a 100g variant? That seems a bit much lol. Can they be spring swapped with any MX spring?
The springs are a different length and diameter. Don't know if you can force it but at least they're not the same design.
@@Chyrosran22
Thanks for the response. I know you will give your opinion in the review, so I understand if you decide to withhold answering this, but what do you think of the 100g variant? That seems really heavy to me, but maybe the tactility is so sharp, fast, and extreme that it isn't that bad in practice.
Like, how would you say it compares to a Unicomp model M for example in terms of stiffness?
Again, I understand if you don't want to answer that now.
@@copper4eva Choice of different spring weightings aren't a particularly interesting point of discussion IMO. 100 g is too stiff for me, but perfect for people who like 100 g weightings. That's really about as much as can be said about that xD .
Forget Scimandan's flat earth friday, it's Tom's Tuesday Teardown! Good to see you as always Tom :D
Hahaha I may have to nab that name, that's excellent xD .
Excited for these and mute jades
100g wow. Box Navy Blue competition.
really looking forward to the review, these might be groundbreaking
Man I dont know these sound promising but I doubt it will be enough to take me away from my buckling spring mini m board. Clicky switches aka actual tactile switches for life son!
Oh My God! Okay, It's Happening! STAY CALM
Do they have fixing pins? I’m wondering if they would work in my gmmk keyboard
Yes, the switches have PCB mount fixing pins. It will fit your GMMK board.
@@ZealPC i see. Is there a place i can find a picture of the bottom of this switch?
100g! Holy crap. I should start finger weightlifting exercices.
Writes a 2-page document, gets Popeye forearms...
cant wait for the china ver of this
oooh, those look like they might be a switch I like to try out. Maybe not a clicky, I'll be thrown out of the office when I return.
I'll be getting these for my work keyboard but man its gonna hurt. Me being in love with 104 key boards means buying a LOT of them. This is the first thing that has me tempted away from my Box Jades though.