Oh hey, these switches use the exact same mechanism as the Outemu low profile "snap spring" switches I told you about a while back! Glad you got your hands on the mechanism finally.
My current keyboard uses outemu optoelectric red switches and i really love how smooth (adn cheap) they are. My only problem is that the actuation point is too high, so it's easy to make mistakes and makes it harder to doubletap. Been thinking of grinding that slider portion down to get a lower actuation point
I got the original Huntsman TE with the linear optoelectric switches, and it has the same issue with actuation! But it is just so smooth to type on that I can forgive it.
You'd think the board's processor would be able to measure the amount of IR light it's receiving, which would then allow it to mathemagically figure out how far down you've pressed the switch resulting in your ability to set the activation point in software.
This intro caught me offguard. I had to pause the video for some seconds to recover fromthe shock that is that unexpected surprise in a Chyrosran22 video.
I've come to realize that I like clicky/tactile switches for typing, so I'm keenly interested to see what contactless switch designers come up with. This one seems like a good idea, though if that fragile-looking ribbon gets bent out of shape or otherwise worn I'd imagine it'd work less well over time. I wonder if the bent up one still worked well when put back into the switch? Nice video, Thomas!
I hv the outemu low-profile red switches and those hv the exact same diamond notch to it and doesnt seem to serve any purpose. It seems like theyre using the same molding for all their switches and make it compatible with each other. Pretty smart way to cut cost tbh.
My daily driver is a KBParadise V80 with "Midnight Blue" Alps that I devised. They're comprised of a black Alps bottom, vintage top with slits, slider tracks lubed with dielectric grease, white sliders, white Alps springs and the magic ingredient: click leaves from vintage APC boards (Steel, curly ends) swapped in. They're ultra smooth, medium weight with very little pre-travel and an amazing, almost wet "thwack" sound. Video is on my channel if anyone's interested. (They were in an AT-101W at the time I recorded it.)
It’s the best route aswell, since we wont need to add the metal contacts to create the click and tactility. Perhaps, as of this moment, Kailh holds intellectual rights to the idea?
This looks like a cheaper, higher manufacturing tolerances design. As long as parts are somewhat right shape and put in somewhat correct places, it will self-orient and work.
I have been using these for half a year now, everything was fine until I decided to swap them. Those bastards are almost imossible to get out of the socket, I even scratched paint from the plate in several places. Gateron browns are in and out like they are in oil
Yup, really tight fit and they also add some sort of sleeve on one of the contacts to further tighten it to pcb. Rather than using switch puller (it can break the housing due to how tight it is), i use a very small flat head screwdriver to loosen it.
I destroy a mechanical switch in about a week, this might be the solution if there is actually nothing to break. No idea how I've never heard of these before, thank you
It sounds like this is the kind of switch where the click/tactile event doesn't necessarily coincide with the actuation, or am I wrong? I really don't like that sort of tactile switch.
@@Chyrosran22 I think the most common ones do, though, don't they? Buckling springs and MX blues at the very least. Also those Razor rotary switches, no?
@@Chyrosran22 No? As far as I'm aware, an MX blue click can't happen without the click-jacket dislodging from the contacts, which would necessarily coincide with the contacts closing, and vice versa the contacts can't really close without the click-jacket dislodging and causing a click.
@@jtsiomb Thanks, I thought about getting a model m but I'm used to ergo layout now, I'm not going to buy a new keyboard. I'll do a replacement mod on my kinesis advantage.
Polyethylene is absolutely transparent to IR. That's why that metal part was implemented - exactly that shades the receptor.
Oh hey, these switches use the exact same mechanism as the Outemu low profile "snap spring" switches I told you about a while back! Glad you got your hands on the mechanism finally.
got them little earlier and completely disappointed by rattle :/
@@D3NPA they rattle? How
My current keyboard uses outemu optoelectric red switches and i really love how smooth (adn cheap) they are. My only problem is that the actuation point is too high, so it's easy to make mistakes and makes it harder to doubletap. Been thinking of grinding that slider portion down to get a lower actuation point
Risky business, you'd have to be very precise, of course.
Name the board?
@@johndo3744 It's a Redragon k587-pro
I got the original Huntsman TE with the linear optoelectric switches, and it has the same issue with actuation! But it is just so smooth to type on that I can forgive it.
You'd think the board's processor would be able to measure the amount of IR light it's receiving, which would then allow it to mathemagically figure out how far down you've pressed the switch resulting in your ability to set the activation point in software.
When I first started getting in to in keyboards these videos weren't that interesting to me, but now they're some of the best breakdowns around.
This intro caught me offguard. I had to pause the video for some seconds to recover fromthe shock that is that unexpected surprise in a Chyrosran22 video.
I've come to realize that I like clicky/tactile switches for typing, so I'm keenly interested to see what contactless switch designers come up with. This one seems like a good idea, though if that fragile-looking ribbon gets bent out of shape or otherwise worn I'd imagine it'd work less well over time. I wonder if the bent up one still worked well when put back into the switch? Nice video, Thomas!
You should also look at outemu snap spring switches. They use a very similar system to space invaders
The clicker in these switches is pretty much identical to that in snap spring switches.
@@davehuisman8241 I'm pretty sure these are snap spring switches, just that these are optical.
@@davehuisman8241 yeah do do look pretty similar. I think the snap spring switches are low profile though.
Makes you wonder why they didn't bother to place contacts on the clicker.
@@sir0herrbatka these are optoelectronic so contacts shouldn't be necessary for function
I hv the outemu low-profile red switches and those hv the exact same diamond notch to it and doesnt seem to serve any purpose. It seems like theyre using the same molding for all their switches and make it compatible with each other. Pretty smart way to cut cost tbh.
Woohoo, innovation in switch designs again! Death to the click jacket!
even Outemu is more innovative than Cherry now
looks like a4/razer opto blue is the only one where clicker part also open light beam. in another switches click and trigger parts is different
I wonder if the snap spring can be modified to be thicker and more stiff to create a more tactile / deeper sounding click. that would be super cool
Thank you for this! I've been wondering about these since seeing them in a couple Amazon keyboards, and i was hoping you might tear one down.
Seems nice, any idea what boards on the market have them?
Well, what do you know-Outemu out of all companies. And I thought their best flex would be their zero-wobble switches; think again.
When someone says Outemu i think Gazzew.
is it any good? do you recommend it (as an optical ) over the (ordinary mechanical) keyboard?
i think that outemu uses a similar click mechanism in their massive switch that a particular redragon 60% uses
The mechanism for tactility seems similar to the Datanetics DC-60
Clickies still the best! Clicky gang forever!
𝗥𝗘𝗣𝗥𝗘𝗦𝗘𝗡𝗧!
Not true
No clicky clack? In the trash it goes.
I guess you're more of a Jet than a Shark.
My daily driver is a KBParadise V80 with "Midnight Blue" Alps that I devised. They're comprised of a black Alps bottom, vintage top with slits, slider tracks lubed with dielectric grease, white sliders, white Alps springs and the magic ingredient: click leaves from vintage APC boards (Steel, curly ends) swapped in. They're ultra smooth, medium weight with very little pre-travel and an amazing, almost wet "thwack" sound. Video is on my channel if anyone's interested. (They were in an AT-101W at the time I recorded it.)
Why not just use kailh click bar style click producer?
Yeah I was just thinking that, a clickbar would work just as well surely?
I'd imagine that they can't do that without Kailh complaining with the ChCP about muh patents
It’s the best route aswell, since we wont need to add the metal contacts to create the click and tactility. Perhaps, as of this moment, Kailh holds intellectual rights to the idea?
This looks like a cheaper, higher manufacturing tolerances design. As long as parts are somewhat right shape and put in somewhat correct places, it will self-orient and work.
Is there any link to the non optoelectronic versions of these
Where can I buy the same switch? I searched a lot and I've found a lot of Outemu, but not this type...
Huh. It's the response time and actuation/travel anywhere close to Razer though?
The light emitted is infrared?
I have been using these for half a year now, everything was fine until I decided to swap them. Those bastards are almost imossible to get out of the socket, I even scratched paint from the plate in several places. Gateron browns are in and out like they are in oil
Yup, really tight fit and they also add some sort of sleeve on one of the contacts to further tighten it to pcb. Rather than using switch puller (it can break the housing due to how tight it is), i use a very small flat head screwdriver to loosen it.
Where can i buy this switches ???
I destroy a mechanical switch in about a week, this might be the solution if there is actually nothing to break. No idea how I've never heard of these before, thank you
Those are similar (if not identical) to the outemu low profile "snap springs"
how's the tactility ?
Are them smooth? Or not that much?
So how is the key press sensed? Are there individual IR and sensors on the board for each switch?
Yes
Maybe I am remembering wrong but didn't the Space Invaders have a similar click event?
Click event no, but the contacts looked a bit similar. However, the contacts didn't function as a clicker in Space Invaders.
That razer switch appears to be clicking on the way back as well
Well, the system works similar to a ball point pen.
It's called a "clickbar" switch. It has a different mechanism than Cherry Blues and their clones.
I get a real HL2 vibe from the intro music.
why did u delete ur most recent video??
See if you can get a hold of Zeal's upcoming "Clickiez" next!
They should be coming my way when they're done!
@@Chyrosran22 Fantastic, thank you for covering these switches in such detail. Your videos are just plain awesome!
The clicker kind of reminds me of a Hi-Tek High Profile switch
It sounds like this is the kind of switch where the click/tactile event doesn't necessarily coincide with the actuation, or am I wrong? I really don't like that sort of tactile switch.
This is correct, although only very very few switches have tactile/click events that inherently line up with actuation.
@@Chyrosran22 I think the most common ones do, though, don't they? Buckling springs and MX blues at the very least. Also those Razor rotary switches, no?
@@chuuni6924 Buckling springs yes, MX blue no. The Razer ones also yes.
@@Chyrosran22 No? As far as I'm aware, an MX blue click can't happen without the click-jacket dislodging from the contacts, which would necessarily coincide with the contacts closing, and vice versa the contacts can't really close without the click-jacket dislodging and causing a click.
@@chuuni6924 it can't click without dislodging, but this has nothing to do with actuation. The two are in fact mismatched.
whoever makes an opto-mechanical switch that feels and sounds like salmon Alps will get my money immediately.
I feel this is the simpler clicky design. If not can anyone tell me one that is simplere/
Amazing design. Thanks for the teardown.
Imagine cherry used that Design instead of their current.
What would be the best alternative to cherry for someone who enjoys Cherry Blues and Greens (with no experience with any other switches)?
Try buckling spring
@@jtsiomb Thanks, I thought about getting a model m but I'm used to ergo layout now, I'm not going to buy a new keyboard. I'll do a replacement mod on my kinesis advantage.
Box jades, white or navy. Probably best mx compatible clickies
kailh box clicky switches i guess? Or wait until zeal releases his mx switch with alps click leaf.
Definitely kailh box white, jade or navy depending on the weight.
Please do ASMR
Even Outemu is doing optoelectrics now?
Would want Cherry and Kailh join along, too!
@@ngelosevs3201 Kailh has an optical version of their BOX White switches
@@lasagneman5586 really? I haven't found them yet.. where do Kailh sell them?
@@lasagneman5586 I really like Box White switches. If I could replace these with optical versions I would do so!
Cool
oh
outemu
interesting
I don't understand if I like clickies. Why someone can't invent bassy clicky switch? Something thunk thunk clock clock than click click
Oooo snacks
ooooooo temu
This video is misophonia free
Haha click clack