I honestly have not played a single game that went past turn 7 since the expansion. Turn six seems to be the average. Turn five, end game is absolutely happening right now.
@@motelluver945 That's shocking! What deck are you playing? I climbed to legend w/ handbuff paly and although I had a couple wins on 5 and a number on 6, most of the games were 7-10 for me.
"I'm literally not going to adress this paladin board several turns in a row, and I'm just going to stack up cards in my hand, surely that's a good gameplan".
Is playing against a deck that inevitably kills you with ignites * "yeah so I dont need to hurry up here with my quest I can just wait until he runs out of that card he can't run out of"
5head trump: "Can't complete your quest, if I don't play any minions" Mage: Still completes questline on turn 9. Then a few turns later does 20+ damage in a single turn and wins. You sure showed him.
Why does mage have the Ignite? Did the balance team not learn from the huge disaster Jade Idol was? I've left HS a long time ago and judging by the new cards not really regretting. How can you build a value/control deck against that, like eventually he gets that Ignite to 30 damage and one-shots you from full HP, even if you survive everything else the deck throws at you. Where is the payoff?
@@Laireso the lead designer said that people generally don’t like to play into fatigue (which I disagree) and control decks need a win condition. Therefore the infinite spell. Little did they know that ignite was played in a deck that draws their entire deck by turn 7 and spams ignite
@@temporal5000 I'm sure most people don't like playing a stretched 20 minute game when they can play twice as many games in half the time. The 20 minute game turns into a top deck war for the non control half way through anyway.
cutting the quest and the random cards in the deck that are just there to activate it would make the deck way better unironically. The priest questline just sucks
@@shubhod9569 I'm not into the usual conspiracy theories regarding expansion decisions but the Priest Quest seems to have been solely created to threaten people to not even bother trying to make a control meta since that's the only meta the Priest Quest would be at all viable in. Basically, this expansion was made to indulge all the people that want games to be over and done with as soon as possible.
@@SpecterVonBaren But that makes no sense. If you’re playing an aggro deck and you match up against control, the game will still be over by turn 9-10 if you lose, possibly as little as 5-6 if you win. If you want to play fast games you will play fast games, if you want to play slow games, you can only do that with other decks willing to play the long game. Some people need to learn that the concede button is meant for ending hopeless games, not just denying your opponent the final hit after roping.
Exactly, the quest shaman deck is fun to play against since it’s actually somewhat minion based but that mage deck is literal cancer since there’s no point in playing minions
Yeah and than come Mage match-ups where you tech in 1x Font of Power... to be able to kill your own minions. Cuz obviously opponent kills his minions and you kill yours. That's the game design...right? ^^
To be fair, I am a control player myself, mainly highlander warlock, I still play the deck occasionally in legend where I can't drop ranks, but I got used to playing odd paladin, secret mage and questlock for climbing and it's actually not that bad if you get the hang of it. It's a different gameplay, definitely not as interactive and enjoyable as a control v control matchup, but it's still nice if you look from other perspective.
Blizzard - We are going to get rid of pyroblast and frost bolt to avoid an overload of unavoidable damage spells with mage Also Blizzard - 2 mana forever increasing damage? Nah its fine with unavoidable +5 spell damage, you've got a fish that may stop that +3 damage
@@Lors_101 But the problem is it created meta where ONLY aggro is viable. Normally a control deck could compete with aggro and it balances, but you can't play control with Mage and Warlocke quest around. Hearthstone right now is 90% Pally, Warlocke, and Mage. You run into others on occasion, but most games are those 3. To be fair though, I don't mind Pally. I feel like that is a tolerable tier 1 deck, it doesn't feel bad for some reason.
@@MrSirFluffy And you can't play Mage and Warlock quest with tempo and aggro decks so it's the exact same. Quest mage and Warlock both get fucked by tempo and aggro decks as well. The issue isn't Quest Mage or Warlock (although I think Quest Warlock is overturned but it's getting nerfed really soon), the issue is aggro decks have such a high winrate beat out control because their cards are so insane. Control isn't unviable because of Quest Mage and Warlock, it's unviable because the aggro decks have like 55-60% winrates right now lol (and that's their averages, not even going first averages that reach as high as like 65% sometimes)
After 6 years I recently stopped playing Hearthstone. Very fun but more often than not frustating rng. BUT I WILL NEVER STOP WATCHING TRUMP. Keep at it!
@@kadachi16 it's because when people hear vanilla they think 2004 in wow which makes 2014 seem silly to call vanilla I guess. Idk I'm just speculating. I've played since naxarammas which feels like forever ago but that's only because of the illusion hearthstone presents given it has a new expansion every 4 months.
Desperate prayer instead of more removal or wave of apathy? Hmmm. Wandmaker also seems a bit questionable with Pandaren Importer. Even with his theme, renew would probably fit better to fish for more removal. Some of the decisions made in these games... 'value' trading 1/1's against aggro while there's a 4/2 on the board, 'stalling' an infinite burn mage by not progressing your own board. Ugh. I thought we learned a long time ago that lifegain doesn't provide tempo, which can be key even in control decks. Edit: I wonder if some sort of midrange is the way to go with quest priest at the moment, as a counterbalance to combo decks. You'll notice that the deck actually preformed decently well at keeping a board. So instead of trying to stay alive against an inevitable OTK, slowly increase tempo, using the quest as just a bonus card draw. A couple of 7-8 mana bombs, with the shard being a finisher for the slower control decks that manage to stabilize.
I've been playing it a little bit and it works much better as a midrange deck. I just hard focus on the quest and then try my best to draw it. Priest just has inherently good survival cards to keep you alive in the mean time. There should be no 0 and 1 drops in this deck and importer sucks (why play her over discover / draw a card in your deck?) He also needs more 6 and 7 costs (I cut all 5 costs for Cthun)
About the last part in your comment talking about a "midrange priest": a new kind of midrange priest is becoming popular now, but without quest: it's an hybrid between shadow priest (with Benedictus) and control priest; I was watching a streamer on twitch reach legendary rank 3 with that deck.
I did a deck almost the same as this, maybe try to have N'ztoh in it since you have a demon, elemental and a beast and maybe a murlock if you decide to keep it.
I win with this deck by drawing mindrender illucia against questline decks, that is the only way. I've played 35 games with it and used the quest reward once. (Not this exact list obvs)
The problem is, they will almost always play the quest reward before you can afford to mindreader and play quest. If you get Illucia of Insight then mayhaps.
@@Ash14760 As you can see they have a source of infinite spells, ignite. I don't know how you'd go about building a big board as priest but at that point every ignite kills of one minion while increasing the damage it does to face.
@@stevnmolla5151 I don't need advice on beating subpar decks, thank you very much. I was just wondering how you'd win what even Trump called a 0% matchup since this guy seemed to know the answer.
@Laires Jade idol is soooo much easier to handle than Ignite. First of all, when you play it, you can either make a minion or shuffle, so you can't just keep generating threats. And for jade idol to scale up, you need other supporting cards or you have to play jade idol like 5-6 times. And in the end, its making minions, you still get 1 turn to have a chance to handle it through board clears or Taunts. Ignite doesn't have any of those problems, it's direct damage, it's on a class which can both discount spells and draw using spells, it shuffles in after doing the damage. It's just dumb.
I dont use xyrella as a board clear since you either face divine shield minions, turn 3 flesh giants or no minion mage. And i prefer only tunning 1 moarg and use an idol of yasharash as my second 8 drop since when it is discounted to 7 it procs as a 7 and an 8 drop finishing the quest.
I don't play Hearthstone cause if you're not playing one of the few strict metas, you don't win. The cards get more and more ridiculous too, like that warlock one where the opponent takes your damage.
I think the main problem is that you were playing a control game with fatigue as your win condition. You have a different win condition in your deck, build your deck more around the quest and not winning via fatigue and infinite healing. Mage and rogue and maybe even shaman will otk you. I still loved the video though, your madman ramblings were hilarious!
Twas the first deck I tested, and I found some interesting synergies with Watch Posts. They give a perfect curve into Taelan who can pull either Kargal (for a solid 7 drop) or Varian Wrynn (to draw through your deck more reliably). Soul Mirror is a solid second 7 cost card for the quest and is decent for clearing the board since the Watch Posts aren't very proactive. Cornelius and Claw Machine are decent 6 drops to consider, and the minions I ran made Palm Reading more appealing since it wouldn't reduce many spell costs and ruin the quest curve. Not a terrible deck, but Priest isn't in the best spot rn
@@purpleaki06 Yep! Priest isn't in the best spot but also not the worst spot - sorta middle grounds rn. Non of the classes really feel terrible rn, it's moreso the slower archetypes of said classes aren't really up to stuff
Quest Rogue is really strong against Paladin, if you find yourself running into too many. Completely crushes them. It's weak to Mage though. I've been switching between that and Shadow Priest.
I wanted to play quest priest so bad but for some reason every single card in the 3 mana slot generates something random and I don't want any of that in my decks.
I assume it's because you want more control of what you get but... Why not? It can be difficult for the priest to get the right cost of cards; generating cards can help finding the 5/6/7/8 drop you can't find
There was a ton of extremely questionable plays during these games, like not summoning any minions against the mage while she completes her quest, or straight up avoiding his own quest despite building his deck around it. Not using Illucia when he had a chance.
Tried Quest Priest a lot but playing it in a conventional fatigue manner doesn't work well in this meta I think. It's mostly aggro or OTK. So playing a lot more proactive cards helps. Like big rush and taunt minions that your opponent has to deal with. You can't let yourself fall too far behind and need to force the opponent to use resources on your board. Playing this way I got the shard to win the game more often. Illuciana is great for just messing with OTK and trying to slow them down. Stole a Mage quest reward once too.
No. Fix should be leaving it as it is... but changing target into minions and if kills shuffle cast on drawn face dmg copy into your opponents deck. That is ideal fix. Obviously first you need to fix Warlock.
Played the same thing. 3 disturb cards for getting rid of the enemy Quest-Minion. One Time a Mage OTK's me through 28 Life despite no played Quest-Minion. its just ridiculous(2mana, never ever Fatigue again).
Ignite is such a stupid card. Infinitely Bursting with 8+ Damage in the late game for 2 Mana seems like a well-thought-through concept 🙄 Especially if you easily can finish your questline in turn 6.
@@BitmapFrogs Well, obviously infinitely scaling cards that also prevent you from decking seem like a terrible idea in the first place. But if they want to keep the archetype (inevitable burn to the face no matter what defenses), it has to be vulnerable to being killed before it becomes inevitable. If it recycles only once, that might kill the archetype which is likely not what they want.
With blizzards clear understanding of the communities thoughts on face hunter I’m honestly not surprised they gave mage the ability to play just as mindlessly
I just can't watch this anymore. How does a guy go against Quest Mage, with only ONE win condition in his deck (The quest), and say "I'm not completing the quest this game", and expect to win? It's his ONLY win condition. And he refused the early part of the game to put ANY pressure on the opponent for fear of the opponent getting his own quest done, yet the opponent completed it with absolutely no problem. It was just so painful to watch, jeez.
I feel like Trump had to turbo out the quest not stall everything against the Mage who has a scaling end game. You can't let them build up Ignites. I realize too, that it is still a low win rate, even so.
I suspect that this deck actually wants to complete the quest as soon as possible, and then draw the spell as quickly as it can. I believe that priest actually has those tools in its kit. Just needs a better deck builder than I am.
Yes i wondered also - Maybe you can even combine this Quest with Archbishop Benedictus and the shadow package ;) Be the aggressor, not the ' survivor '...im gonna test it out in wild today :)
@@mbubu88 Benedictus would flood your deck with your enemies cards, which would make it more difficult to find your win condition once it was shuffled in.
@@gamejedi I miswrote...meant "Darkbishop Benedictus" of course :D e.g. turn your Hero into Shadow form...the ping every round could provide you more tempo against other faster decks!
Yes we know. We've known since day 2. Quests are one of the worst things I have ever seen in hearthstone. Every fucking game is exactly the same thing with no way to counter it without just getting lucky as aggro or your opponent getting REALLY unlucky.
I don't know, I had some good early success with the quest and the new minion that pulls a spell from your deck. Pretty reliable until I switched to other classes and then....... oh, right.
The deck isn't bad, how Trump played it was you have to complete the quest Trump was skipping turns, because he felt he could get better "value" playing a card later the entire point of the deck and quest is to play on curve
I think this shows that Ignite is a huge meta killer right now. It single handedly gives you infinite damage AND infinite cards! That means Quest Mage can never fatique either! That is the end of any deck archetype that relies on outlasting the opponent or running him out of resources. I don't know why Blizzard would ever print such an unbalanced card.
I've been really successful with a mod of the nzoth version of this deck where you get rid of the five drops and put in moonfang and 2 priest of anshe, claw machines and the neutral 8 cost armor demon, it ends up being so much stats on board that the agro and combo decks really can't handle it, most of the time I win without the quest going of by just hitting to the face
I haven’t played HS in a few years… I thought Blizzard stopped making burn cards. That never ending, power up, fire card is just broken. When would they make a card that gets stronger and recycles? And people thought freeze mage was bad.
I gotta say... and with all due respect, but you made very questionable decisions playing that priest deck, specially vs the paladin on the second duel. (You always take alucia when offered to you), also why not play n'zoth? You are supposed to be the mayor of value Town hahahhaa. I love your videos, they are so entertaining, keep it up!
Blizzard cleverly balanced a 10 mana *win the game* spell by making sure no one makes it beyond turn 6
Turn 8 is more truthful
Since when they made "cleverly balances"? 🤣
I honestly have not played a single game that went past turn 7 since the expansion. Turn six seems to be the average. Turn five, end game is absolutely happening right now.
@@motelluver945 That's shocking! What deck are you playing? I climbed to legend w/ handbuff paly and although I had a couple wins on 5 and a number on 6, most of the games were 7-10 for me.
@@bobfaceasdf9251 handbuff is one of the slower decks. Decks like hunter close the game out by turn 6 easily.
"I'm literally not going to adress this paladin board several turns in a row, and I'm just going to stack up cards in my hand, surely that's a good gameplan".
I was cringing that entire game.
Complete the quest? Nah, i will overdraw. Let's wait more turns
Is playing against a deck that inevitably kills you with ignites *
"yeah so I dont need to hurry up here with my quest I can just wait until he runs out of that card he can't run out of"
Literally exactly what I was thinking
I think he got mage mixed up with T-Rex; as long as he didn't move, he thought the mage couldn't see him.
as well as 'if we don't play minions, it's harder for him to cast spells'
proceeding with 3 spells being cast on his face
I first thought he meant "run him out of cards" in the hand.
As I'm thinking that, the opponent proceeds to play 1 card that draws 6 xD
@@smallymcsmall7065 mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Moral of this video: Trump never completes the quest.
And never clears his throat
That's not a moral btw, it's a spoiler. Just thought it important to clarify that
@@Icetea-2000 that was painful
Ohhhh boy, Trump's getting a REAL taste of the meta in this video, I can feel it.
fun and interactive
it seems to me he had no idea the shaman deck existed. His spell picks were retarded his dragon pick was retarded, he was just accelerating his loss
5head trump: "Can't complete your quest, if I don't play any minions"
Mage: Still completes questline on turn 9. Then a few turns later does 20+ damage in a single turn and wins.
You sure showed him.
Luckily the deck that has no minions still has minions
Why does mage have the Ignite? Did the balance team not learn from the huge disaster Jade Idol was? I've left HS a long time ago and judging by the new cards not really regretting. How can you build a value/control deck against that, like eventually he gets that Ignite to 30 damage and one-shots you from full HP, even if you survive everything else the deck throws at you. Where is the payoff?
@@Laireso the lead designer said that people generally don’t like to play into fatigue (which I disagree) and control decks need a win condition. Therefore the infinite spell. Little did they know that ignite was played in a deck that draws their entire deck by turn 7 and spams ignite
@@Laireso they certainly did not
@@temporal5000 I'm sure most people don't like playing a stretched 20 minute game when they can play twice as many games in half the time.
The 20 minute game turns into a top deck war for the non control half way through anyway.
Trump the kinda guy to cut the quest from quest priest for a card with better value and we love him for it anyway
“ One mana do nothing is too low tempo so I cut it”
cutting the quest and the random cards in the deck that are just there to activate it would make the deck way better unironically. The priest questline just sucks
@@shubhod9569 I'm not into the usual conspiracy theories regarding expansion decisions but the Priest Quest seems to have been solely created to threaten people to not even bother trying to make a control meta since that's the only meta the Priest Quest would be at all viable in. Basically, this expansion was made to indulge all the people that want games to be over and done with as soon as possible.
@@SpecterVonBaren But that makes no sense. If you’re playing an aggro deck and you match up against control, the game will still be over by turn 9-10 if you lose, possibly as little as 5-6 if you win. If you want to play fast games you will play fast games, if you want to play slow games, you can only do that with other decks willing to play the long game.
Some people need to learn that the concede button is meant for ending hopeless games, not just denying your opponent the final hit after roping.
That first paladin game. Trump just kept letting a 4/2 hit him in the face to value trade into 1/1s
Yea he madew a lot of questionable decisions in that game
Not saying he played correct but for what it’s worth he didn’t get burned down he got tempoed out
Specifically came down into the comments to see if anyone mentioned that... it really bothered me.
I think he took 12-16 damage from a TWO DROP. Just let that sink in. Such bad decisions.
The source of the term "Trump Trade" refused to make a trade.
"We are trying to avoid from hand damage. Hearthstoen is designed for minion on minion games fighting for the board"
Exactly, the quest shaman deck is fun to play against since it’s actually somewhat minion based but that mage deck is literal cancer since there’s no point in playing minions
makes ignite*
Yeah and than come Mage match-ups where you tech in 1x Font of Power... to be able to kill your own minions. Cuz obviously opponent kills his minions and you kill yours. That's the game design...right? ^^
Meanwhile, the best minions are rush minions.. who don't fight from the board..
*makes DH*
Priest: "You can't damage me! I'm healing 80-life!"
Warlock: "Oh Anduin, you poor fool. I'm not trying to damage you. I'm trying to damage *myself.*
The lead decks this expansion are Cut-Me-Own-Throat Warlock and Shoot-Me-Own-Minions Mage
This is a fun fantasy until you play against mage who wins the game in 6-7 turns by bursting you down from 30 to 0 using only 2 mana
Play Face Hunter 60%+
Dont forget that he draws 8 cards for free
@@lucasng4712 thats not an answer for control players.
@@Verienn if you are playing control vs combo dont expect to win, just hope to queue into aggro
@@shubhod9569 combo has never been so fucking braindead before
7 years of loving hearthstone to hating it in one expansion. Yes, I'm a salty control player.
It took seven years? Glad you loved it for that long.
Come to mtga. If ur used to getting ripped off you wont mind it and you will get to play less shitty game
To be fair, I am a control player myself, mainly highlander warlock, I still play the deck occasionally in legend where I can't drop ranks, but I got used to playing odd paladin, secret mage and questlock for climbing and it's actually not that bad if you get the hang of it. It's a different gameplay, definitely not as interactive and enjoyable as a control v control matchup, but it's still nice if you look from other perspective.
@@raygonzales197 lmao i was done after 3 or sth
@@Verienn Hearthstone takes your wallet, MTGA repossesses your fucking house
they're WRONG!!!
narrator: they weren't wrong
Blizzard - We are going to get rid of pyroblast and frost bolt to avoid an overload of unavoidable damage spells with mage
Also Blizzard - 2 mana forever increasing damage? Nah its fine with unavoidable +5 spell damage, you've got a fish that may stop that +3 damage
Don't worry, we're moving sorcerers apprentice out of standard.....
Check out this card, it's called incanters flow.
@@imchipjames and you can even play it in advance and it doesn't die
In fairness Quest Mage is becoming incredibly unpopular already because practically every other quest and aggro deck beat them
@@Lors_101 But the problem is it created meta where ONLY aggro is viable. Normally a control deck could compete with aggro and it balances, but you can't play control with Mage and Warlocke quest around.
Hearthstone right now is 90% Pally, Warlocke, and Mage. You run into others on occasion, but most games are those 3. To be fair though, I don't mind Pally. I feel like that is a tolerable tier 1 deck, it doesn't feel bad for some reason.
@@MrSirFluffy And you can't play Mage and Warlock quest with tempo and aggro decks so it's the exact same. Quest mage and Warlock both get fucked by tempo and aggro decks as well. The issue isn't Quest Mage or Warlock (although I think Quest Warlock is overturned but it's getting nerfed really soon), the issue is aggro decks have such a high winrate beat out control because their cards are so insane.
Control isn't unviable because of Quest Mage and Warlock, it's unviable because the aggro decks have like 55-60% winrates right now lol (and that's their averages, not even going first averages that reach as high as like 65% sometimes)
After 6 years I recently stopped playing Hearthstone. Very fun but more often than not frustating rng.
BUT I WILL NEVER STOP WATCHING TRUMP. Keep at it!
Been playing since vanilla and I have to say this is maybe one of the most unpleasant weeks of hearthstone to play through for both wild and standard.
"since vanilla" doesnt mean much for heartstone
@@fangerzstanky since 2014
@@kadachi16 yeah he's saying that's not that long ago
@@erich1380 Yeah, that aside from Beta that is most of Hearthstone...So saying that doesn't mean much for HS strikes me as kind of odd.
@@kadachi16 it's because when people hear vanilla they think 2004 in wow which makes 2014 seem silly to call vanilla I guess. Idk I'm just speculating. I've played since naxarammas which feels like forever ago but that's only because of the illusion hearthstone presents given it has a new expansion every 4 months.
Control/grind decks are my favorite style of play. Needless to say I'm not playing constructed much these days.
Trump: "We're not completing the quest"
This video in a nutshell.
Desperate prayer instead of more removal or wave of apathy? Hmmm. Wandmaker also seems a bit questionable with Pandaren Importer. Even with his theme, renew would probably fit better to fish for more removal.
Some of the decisions made in these games... 'value' trading 1/1's against aggro while there's a 4/2 on the board, 'stalling' an infinite burn mage by not progressing your own board. Ugh. I thought we learned a long time ago that lifegain doesn't provide tempo, which can be key even in control decks.
Edit: I wonder if some sort of midrange is the way to go with quest priest at the moment, as a counterbalance to combo decks. You'll notice that the deck actually preformed decently well at keeping a board. So instead of trying to stay alive against an inevitable OTK, slowly increase tempo, using the quest as just a bonus card draw. A couple of 7-8 mana bombs, with the shard being a finisher for the slower control decks that manage to stabilize.
Trump has the amazing ability to make any deck look worse.
I've been playing it a little bit and it works much better as a midrange deck. I just hard focus on the quest and then try my best to draw it. Priest just has inherently good survival cards to keep you alive in the mean time. There should be no 0 and 1 drops in this deck and importer sucks (why play her over discover / draw a card in your deck?) He also needs more 6 and 7 costs (I cut all 5 costs for Cthun)
Removal for what? The game he lost to minions was him playing greedy, other than that he is getting brain blasted by mage with 3 minions.
About the last part in your comment talking about a "midrange priest": a new kind of midrange priest is becoming popular now, but without quest: it's an hybrid between shadow priest (with Benedictus) and control priest; I was watching a streamer on twitch reach legendary rank 3 with that deck.
Facing a mage after they resolve the quest. "I'll just run them out of cards." My first thought was, "Do you wanna tell him or should I?"
They could remove the shard and put the destroy the enemy ability right on the quest reward and this quest would still be under powered.
Managed it 3 times so far, love it...my deck is definitely different too yours
Trump: if I don’t play any minions it’s makes it difficult for the opponent to cast spells.
Opponent: casts spells at face.
Blizz making something so great, but you'll never get it. A classically classic blizz maneuver
Out of the new free decks for returning players,what should i choose?
31:05 why didn't you play Illucia to steal his Quest Reward?
Trump: If I don't play minions, it's harder for them to cast spells
Mage: Are you sure about that?
I feel that thumbnail
im so sad because I love this damn concept
same, wanted to craft this but im srsly questioning it. theres no point
This is the only quest I've gotten lol, had a few games where I've top decked my shard
I did a deck almost the same as this, maybe try to have N'ztoh in it since you have a demon, elemental and a beast and maybe a murlock if you decide to keep it.
I win with this deck by drawing mindrender illucia against questline decks, that is the only way. I've played 35 games with it and used the quest reward once. (Not this exact list obvs)
The problem is, they will almost always play the quest reward before you can afford to mindreader and play quest. If you get Illucia of Insight then mayhaps.
@@ruukinen if it's quest mage you can use up all their spells sometimes and that can give you the time to build a big board and win.
@@Ash14760 As you can see they have a source of infinite spells, ignite. I don't know how you'd go about building a big board as priest but at that point every ignite kills of one minion while increasing the damage it does to face.
@@ruukinen just play paladin, I muligan for robe and win 70% mage and warlock games
@@stevnmolla5151 I don't need advice on beating subpar decks, thank you very much. I was just wondering how you'd win what even Trump called a 0% matchup since this guy seemed to know the answer.
remember when hearthstone was advertised as "deceptively simple" well the deception is gone and now its just for the simple people
If it's that simple how is Trump still finding ways to misplay?
@@lMarcusl because he plays for pure greed and value
Me: loves long drawn out tactical games
Blizzard: lol we're making all the games shorter
Me: :3
Trump your vids are the only bright spot in my life. Glad you’re feeling well.
@Laires Jade idol is soooo much easier to handle than Ignite. First of all, when you play it, you can either make a minion or shuffle, so you can't just keep generating threats. And for jade idol to scale up, you need other supporting cards or you have to play jade idol like 5-6 times. And in the end, its making minions, you still get 1 turn to have a chance to handle it through board clears or Taunts. Ignite doesn't have any of those problems, it's direct damage, it's on a class which can both discount spells and draw using spells, it shuffles in after doing the damage. It's just dumb.
I don’t think blizzard even tested this expansion
Wait wasn't the start of the video Bioshock Infinite music or am i insane?
that paladin's damage output was unholy.
it is wild version but i have made my deck minions only with cards to generate coins. and idealy you play on turn 10 xyrella + allurra + coin
I don't think Trump fully comprehends Ignite and infinite (escalating lol) damage....
Disguised Toast: *'Should've had more than 80 life'*
Why are some generated cards tagged with "Created by another card" now, instead of showing their source?
I dont use xyrella as a board clear since you either face divine shield minions, turn 3 flesh giants or no minion mage. And i prefer only tunning 1 moarg and use an idol of yasharash as my second 8 drop since when it is discounted to 7 it procs as a 7 and an 8 drop finishing the quest.
Why no Elekk Mount?
I don't play Hearthstone cause if you're not playing one of the few strict metas, you don't win. The cards get more and more ridiculous too, like that warlock one where the opponent takes your damage.
It's not an uninteresting card but it's really poorly balanced and too easy to complete
I think the main problem is that you were playing a control game with fatigue as your win condition. You have a different win condition in your deck, build your deck more around the quest and not winning via fatigue and infinite healing. Mage and rogue and maybe even shaman will otk you. I still loved the video though, your madman ramblings were hilarious!
Twas the first deck I tested, and I found some interesting synergies with Watch Posts. They give a perfect curve into Taelan who can pull either Kargal (for a solid 7 drop) or Varian Wrynn (to draw through your deck more reliably). Soul Mirror is a solid second 7 cost card for the quest and is decent for clearing the board since the Watch Posts aren't very proactive. Cornelius and Claw Machine are decent 6 drops to consider, and the minions I ran made Palm Reading more appealing since it wouldn't reduce many spell costs and ruin the quest curve. Not a terrible deck, but Priest isn't in the best spot rn
Shadow Priest is in a good spot though. I am destroying Mages and Warlocks.
Only weak against Paladin in my experience over the last few days.
@@purpleaki06 Yep! Priest isn't in the best spot but also not the worst spot - sorta middle grounds rn. Non of the classes really feel terrible rn, it's moreso the slower archetypes of said classes aren't really up to stuff
Quest Rogue is really strong against Paladin, if you find yourself running into too many. Completely crushes them. It's weak to Mage though. I've been switching between that and Shadow Priest.
Tried this quest a few times never completed it but works decently in a corrupt deck if you cant finish the quest the huge minions will win it for you
I HEAR THAT BIOSHOCK INFINITE MUSIC AT THE BEGINNING. THATS THE LUTECE THEME.
Maybe it's just my smol brian, but I can't see how they can fix this meta...
"This deck doesn't suck, we just have to survive 30 turns!" ok you madman
I wanted to play quest priest so bad but for some reason every single card in the 3 mana slot generates something random and I don't want any of that in my decks.
I assume it's because you want more control of what you get but...
Why not? It can be difficult for the priest to get the right cost of cards; generating cards can help finding the 5/6/7/8 drop you can't find
@@mrsweetkandy7673I just dislike it, I have no clue why but I avoid randomness at all costs when I'm deckbuilding
@@Bruh-el9js i think in that deck it's a good advantage, so maybe you'll get luckier with the mini set or next expansion
"we sure showed that mage, huhuhu"
I've not played HS for a year. Why does mage have infinite damage spell, the Ignite? Did they seriously bring back the problem of Jade Idol?
No they didn't. They made it worse than jade idol.
why wouldn't you run primordial protector to always get the shard?
Good luck completing the questlines in the first place lol
Trump sounding like Patty & Selma
All the Dream cards are powerful!
That 50 sub gift though. Casual $250USD. Dang
There was a ton of extremely questionable plays during these games, like not summoning any minions against the mage while she completes her quest, or straight up avoiding his own quest despite building his deck around it. Not using Illucia when he had a chance.
Tried Quest Priest a lot but playing it in a conventional fatigue manner doesn't work well in this meta I think. It's mostly aggro or OTK. So playing a lot more proactive cards helps. Like big rush and taunt minions that your opponent has to deal with. You can't let yourself fall too far behind and need to force the opponent to use resources on your board. Playing this way I got the shard to win the game more often. Illuciana is great for just messing with OTK and trying to slow them down. Stole a Mage quest reward once too.
Ignite should increase the cost each use
Ignite shouldn't scale
Would make it a better "crackhead?" The 2 mana rogue spell that deals 2 and come back to your hand
No. Fix should be leaving it as it is... but changing target into minions and if kills shuffle cast on drawn face dmg copy into your opponents deck. That is ideal fix. Obviously first you need to fix Warlock.
A hearthstone, a game where you do a lot of interacting .... With the opponent face 👀
Man I love you trump
Why not nerf ignite???? 2 mana deal 9 dmg
Played the same thing. 3 disturb cards for getting rid of the enemy Quest-Minion. One Time a Mage OTK's me through 28 Life despite no played Quest-Minion. its just ridiculous(2mana, never ever Fatigue again).
Ignite is such a stupid card. Infinitely Bursting with 8+ Damage in the late game for 2 Mana seems like a well-thought-through concept 🙄 Especially if you easily can finish your questline in turn 6.
It should increase cost by 1 too at a minimum. Or shoot you in the face at the same time.
@@TimoRutanen considering incanter's flow, increasing cost by 1 per use won't do much... it should recycle only once
@@BitmapFrogs Well, obviously infinitely scaling cards that also prevent you from decking seem like a terrible idea in the first place. But if they want to keep the archetype (inevitable burn to the face no matter what defenses), it has to be vulnerable to being killed before it becomes inevitable. If it recycles only once, that might kill the archetype which is likely not what they want.
To win against mage, you tech in that robe of protection.
With blizzards clear understanding of the communities thoughts on face hunter I’m honestly not surprised they gave mage the ability to play just as mindlessly
I just can't watch this anymore. How does a guy go against Quest Mage, with only ONE win condition in his deck (The quest), and say "I'm not completing the quest this game", and expect to win? It's his ONLY win condition. And he refused the early part of the game to put ANY pressure on the opponent for fear of the opponent getting his own quest done, yet the opponent completed it with absolutely no problem. It was just so painful to watch, jeez.
I feel like Trump had to turbo out the quest not stall everything against the Mage who has a scaling end game. You can't let them build up Ignites.
I realize too, that it is still a low win rate, even so.
Yeah he played it completely wrong
I suspect that this deck actually wants to complete the quest as soon as possible, and then draw the spell as quickly as it can. I believe that priest actually has those tools in its kit. Just needs a better deck builder than I am.
Yes i wondered also - Maybe you can even combine this Quest with Archbishop Benedictus and the shadow package ;) Be the aggressor, not the ' survivor '...im gonna test it out in wild today :)
@@mbubu88 Benedictus would flood your deck with your enemies cards, which would make it more difficult to find your win condition once it was shuffled in.
@@gamejedi I miswrote...meant "Darkbishop Benedictus" of course :D e.g. turn your Hero into Shadow form...the ping every round could provide you more tempo against other faster decks!
Why play quest priest if you can play shadow priest?
Ignite should be for minions only
Yes we know. We've known since day 2. Quests are one of the worst things I have ever seen in hearthstone. Every fucking game is exactly the same thing with no way to counter it without just getting lucky as aggro or your opponent getting REALLY unlucky.
I don't know, I had some good early success with the quest and the new minion that pulls a spell from your deck. Pretty reliable until I switched to other classes and then....... oh, right.
No fatigue = No control
No one going to mention Bioshock music
I feel like you could use quest in priest just as a back up, but don't rush it and play as normal control
The problem is that control automatically loses to mage (infinite burst) and warlock (infinite burst cause of fatigue interacting with the quest)
Ignite Nerf only minions?
Nah, just make it cost 3 mana
Why doesnt he play the 8 mana 6/6 to fetch the win the game spell
Reno is on vacation because of the of the new quests
This deck could be so much better..... No need for all these $VALUE$ cards when you have a 10 mana win game spell.
The deck isn't bad, how Trump played it was you have to complete the quest Trump was skipping turns, because he felt he could get better "value" playing a card later the entire point of the deck and quest is to play on curve
I summon a larger fireball! And a larger fireball!
Is the Broke in Stormwind being sires streamed on twitch?
This deck is so funny, it would still be worthless even if you started at stage 3 of the quest immediately.
I think the mayor needs to sleep for a week before piloting another deck.
We've seen enough of this meta already, i'd prefer it if Trump got some arena matches up there on the youtube soonly
I think this shows that Ignite is a huge meta killer right now. It single handedly gives you infinite damage AND infinite cards! That means Quest Mage can never fatique either! That is the end of any deck archetype that relies on outlasting the opponent or running him out of resources. I don't know why Blizzard would ever print such an unbalanced card.
Trump in these videos is just a punching bag for this meta
that paladin game was hard to watch.
i run lore keeper polt so when i shuffle it in my deck i can lethal next turn, still meme tier deck tho
I've been really successful with a mod of the nzoth version of this deck where you get rid of the five drops and put in moonfang and 2 priest of anshe, claw machines and the neutral 8 cost armor demon, it ends up being so much stats on board that the agro and combo decks really can't handle it, most of the time I win without the quest going of by just hitting to the face
Now you just need to remove the quest and your deck is perfect
@@proh3649 lol
Value Town got bulldozed to make room for a Highway.
I haven’t played HS in a few years… I thought Blizzard stopped making burn cards. That never ending, power up, fire card is just broken. When would they make a card that gets stronger and recycles? And people thought freeze mage was bad.
Sooo what happened to the new F2P series?
Control vs an infinite damage combo lol
Control shadow priest is pretty decent
Hearthstone? Nah
Solitaire? Yeah
I gotta say... and with all due respect, but you made very questionable decisions playing that priest deck, specially vs the paladin on the second duel. (You always take alucia when offered to you), also why not play n'zoth?
You are supposed to be the mayor of value Town hahahhaa.
I love your videos, they are so entertaining, keep it up!