You (don't) get what you pay for - AYANEO Kun
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AYANEO is back with ANOTHER crazy handheld, but this time it's not just a crazy design, it's crazy POWER. With a huge battery, 54W TDP, and a big and bright screen, this, on paper, looks like the luxury handheld for those with deep pockets, but Plouffe isn't so sure...
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CHAPTERS
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0:00 AYANEO is back again
0:16 Unboxing
2:26 Weight, buttons, ports, and design impressions
6:25 Sponsor - Pulseway
6:52 Display test results and performance toggles
8:48 Gaming - Pacific Drive
12:13 Speaker test and thoughts on the screen size
13:32 LABS performance and battery testing
14:50 Overall thoughts and pricing
16:50 Outro - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
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Ayaneo trying not to release another product instead of supporting existing ones challenge (impossible)
I was wondering that, they seem to have A LOT of products...
In all honesty, they have zero incentive to do so. They produce these things in small batches and by the time the second batch would be ready the the factory doing the work would've already retooled themselves to produce something else. At that point you can re-retool for the original design or you can just retool for a new design and the cost would be exactly the same.
And when you put out a half a dozen designs every year (and each one takes the better part of a year to ship) it becomes pointless to support all of them. On top of that, you make money off of hardware sales, not software, so supporting one device long term makes little sense.
Keep in mind, I'm not defending them, it's actually pretty shitty, but that's what's going on behind the scenes.
Aya, GPD, AKZ, and so on with higher ends products are truly niche to me. Then again, sometimes you come across a random sale of them on FB and I try to snag them as low as possible lmao
Thats why I’ll stay with my SD.
This comment needs more like.
New one dropping in 2 seconds
Ayaneo Kun NEXT Pro Plus+ now available, the latest and greatest.... for 10 more seconds.
Ditto!
They announced 34 new kickstarters in the time it took me to read this comment
The reason I got a Steam Deck is simple, I know the support will be there for whatever I want to do with it, both from Valve themselves and third party.
I love that even hardcore PC people are evangelizing for the Steam Deck when it's basically a console, it's all plug and play, and if you want to do more you can. And as you said a huge part of that is a full time support team.
@@anderssorenson9998probably more that the steamdeck is more like a portable computer rather then a console
@anderssorenson9998 of course PC gamers like the steam deck, it plays our steam library out of the box
@@anderssorenson9998 There's reasons behind why a lot of PC users don't go for a console instead, and those same reasons are also why they praise the Steam Deck. What a lot of hardcore PC users will tell you that they love about the PC is the openness of it. You're free to choose whatever OS you want, you get to modify in-game settings to your liking, you can conveniently replace any piece of hardware to your liking, you don't have to worry as much about DRM issues, etc. Much of that same openness can also be seen in the Steam Deck. While not a carbon copy of the PC, the Steam Deck still does a good job of replicating the open experience that PC users are looking for.
All these other companies will be in huge trouble once Valve decides to release a steam deck clocking
+120Htz.
this looks like a mashup of a steam deck and a 2000s ewaste bin
My thoughts exactly.
Exactly... it's like wtf this is really lazy.
or a steam deck and one of those leap frog devices
The cheap looking silver paint the kind that rubs off with a months use.
Tapwave Zodiac returns
Seeing how the d-pad moved made my stomach hurt lol
It's actually pretty good design, know a lot of players that prefer it for d-pad heavy games.
@@TakisEnjoyer I’m not one of those players
@@TakisEnjoyerI’m also not one of those people. 🤮
@@TakisEnjoyera d-pad should not physically move except for up and down from button presses.
@@TakisEnjoyer ew
What the hell is a Ayaneo Quinn xD
Wow, Hot VR just out in the open. Yeah, i heard that and my head tilted.
It looks like Ayaneo used the same kind of plastic McDonalds uses in a Happy Meal toy.
Yes the light silver colour does it no favours at all, looks horribly cheap.
That awkward moment when Maccies mostly use cardboard and bioplastic recyclable toys since 2020…
Also you mean ABS. The plastic is ABS and is commonly used in a lot of stuff. Unless you mean it looks like bioplastic which it really doesn’t. Also that plastic has a low glass point so not advisable you use it for computers.
I mean what do you expect? A metal case? I mean have goes for real reasons such as Aneyos track record with handhelds and the fact they release a new one every Tuesday morning.
Just seems weird to attack it for being plastic. It’s a handheld not a smartphone. It doesn’t need a glass back and titanium bezel. Never buy a PC it will shock you how much plastic is in a PC, mouse, keyboard and display.
@@razerow3391 it was a joke
@@razerow3391 It's not about it being plastic per se, but the fact that it aesthetically resembles a 2000s console with creaky, brittle plastic and a silver finish that'll peel off within months. Pretty much all modern handhelds are covered in plastic, but they don't look this dated and cheap.
The only way this color can look nice is if the case was out of aluminum like with some laptops. But for a handheld of this size, that would make it too heavy.
Not going to lie, when price was brought up, the first number that came to mind was $700. The fact that if was $400 on top of that either means that what I was expecting or what THEY were expecting was WAAAAAYYY out of spec.
Facts
Its design looks like a 5€ mp3 player from the 2000s your parents got you so you stopped annoying them on long car rides
These PC handheld gaming systems will never take off if they cost the same as full blown gaming desktop.
Realistically the steam deck is what most pc gamers will gravitate towards. I'm waiting for a steam deck that can hit 1080p at 60fps medium settings in graphically demanding titles.
This and the other windows handhelds are kind of odd and gimmicky
they kinda already took off just with steam deck not these imitations.
My guy never heard of Steam Deck lmao
$100 for console - $900 for packaging
Spoiler alert!
and zero support
yeah no dude, that has the same internals as a gpd wm2. They also include shipping in the price of all of their products, so it's definitely not as much margin as you think.
@@nyxterius dude I’m clearly just joking
I know you're joking but boxes like that cost like $5 in quantity. I was just surprised at how cheap they were.
$1,129. What a joke.
i mean you can get a significantly more powerful laptop for that
Bu... but... Wooden box!!!
xddddddddddddddddddddd
@@HughCulloty-qb9hr You could get a better laptop than this for cheaper. And with the extra money you could save you could get a android handheld like a g-cloud or a retroid and stream games.
@@HughCulloty-qb9hr But the laptop is no longer relevant
the way my face contorted when it cut to the handheld and its early 2000’s gray plastic
Ya know, I have no problem with how it looks, colour included. My only wish is it went further back and gave us transparent plastic. Love that shit
Gives me GameCube wireless gamebird vibes. Definitely outdated look.
The big question is whether this plastic is actually full grey silver throughout or if it's plastic with a grey silver coating of paint.
Anyone who experienced 'silver' plastitic items in the 2000's knows there's almost nothing that looks as cheap as plastic with silver paint that's being worn down from using or even just holding the item. Usually it was some kind of lightly flesh coloured plastic underneath that made those things look even worse.
Looks like an mp3 player from 2005.
@@auspex9847 that is a very very good point. I have a little stereo knocking about like that. Battery bay is fleshy
All this competition in the handheld space is great, but each one makes me appreciate the Steamdeck that much more.
Sure, the Legion Go and Ayaneo are more powerful, but not by that much. The Steam deck is just superb at what it does for the price.
That's due to they own steam desk os. They have fine tuned everything to optimize the performance. Just like iOS and apple. They had full control over their ecosystem
@@MUAZFIRDAUSBINMOHAMMADAIDILAyaneo could've given Chimera OS financial support, so they get also some Steam OS themselves. Don't understand why all other handheld manufacturers ship with shitty Windows on it. It's so cringe and eats performance.
You forget MSI Claw
@@anonapache well even window on normal PC or laptop tend to chomp up some performance just to execute some unnecessary task.
One thing I understand is that using window instead of their own homebrew OS is preferable due to steam is more stable in WinOs then any custom Os. In R&D perspective just look how Huawei make their own operating system it's already been years just to optimize everything. So instead of wasting time and money most handheld apart from steam deck use WinOs as it's main plainform mainly because major market player relied and use Win11/10 and steam apps some if not most of it were optimized for that particular Os. Unlike SteamOS which is tuned specifically for their own device
I didn't enjoy the steam deck, I had it for maybe 3 months right when it came out. I just got the Legion go 2 weeks ago and I am in LOVE with it. I'm glad that people have fun and enjoy the steam deck but I wouldn't switch back.
Cant wait for AYANEO San, AYANEO Chan, and AYANEO Sama
Ayaneo Kouji
AYANEO Senpai?
@@pid1790*Read in Captain America voice* I understood that reference
~$600 can buy you one hell of a power bank. Hell, you can buy a 20k mAh power bank for $35 that weighs 360g. So with a Steam Deck OLED, you're still saving $550, getting a better screen, better ecosystem, more total power capacity, and your total carry weight is only 50g higher
Imma wait for the more powerful ayaneo senpai or the smaller ayaneo chan
The chan will be so kawaii.
So for almost double the price of the Ally you get the same ammount of RAM and storage, loud fans, worse speaker placement, worse Dpad, unnecessarily high resolution, no high refresh rate, 50% more mass, less performance (?) and a case that looks like a portable DVD player from the 2000's. Got it.
Whenever I see packaging like that all I can think of is how I am paying 40 bucks more just for fancy packaging I dont need
The steamdeck just came in a brown box with black printing with a small wrapper around it I think and a case inside the box with the steamdeck. Very refreshing
Exactly, huge waste of money.
more like 100
when i buy something like a laptop, i dont spend an hour looking at the packaging, i just throw away the box. there isnt really a point
This
The Kun here is not the Japanese suffix, it is a Chinese name for the fish in their mythology 鯤/鲲 (Kūn), pronounced closer to 'quen' as opposed to 'quin' in this video, but a helluva lot closer to the japanese 'kun' as some suggest
Thank you!
Truly, thank you. This was driving me nuts assuming it was the Japanese "kun", but this makes a ton of sense.
im happy the hand held scene is making a come back.
I personally am a fan of the touchpads and back buttons on the Steam Controller, I find em very useful for truck sims particularly. Plus the ease with adding extra mapping layers like hold and double press.
Touchpads and back buttons are huge selling points for me.
Back buttons either for commonly used inputs
And touchpads because it allows more games to be controlled intuitively. FPS games with a controller are a no go for me, touchpad pretty much solves that.
@@Verchiel_ that makes sense. I just use kb+m for fps, I mostly got the steam controller cuz I hoard weird controllers.
I like playing legacy versions of Minecraft and the trackpads make playing on Deck so easy; using the right pad to craft/navigate inventory and the left one as a "numpad" to quick select items on my hot bar. Don't think I'd be happy with any of the other 'handheld PC' options on the market but the fact that there *are* options is good news for the fellow consumer
Audio's weird on this one no ?
Very much
you're getting old, fam
@@strubbleler Maybe you are?
Either some really weird microphone phase interference, or Adobe's AI voice enhancement/noise removal
It's quite "boomy". It's like the mic is in a shoe box, and he's talking in to a hole in said shoe box.
There's no way that that's how it should be pronounced
Nope, it is... Chop it up to cultural gap stuff. Different meaning there than what it's been used for here
It’s close enough lol kinda like qwen but the “en” is pronounced a bit differently than he did. Hard to explain over text lol Chinese doesn’t have an alphabet so using the English alphabet to explain it never works out well.
For me the main way I use the back buttons on my deck is when using the trackpad for aiming, that puts your hands lower down making the face buttons less convenient.
In addition as I am left handed I use the right stick to move and the left trackpad to aim, so using the back buttons allows me to use abxy while both moving and aiming.
Wasn't this released in Aug / Sep 2023?
My thoughts exactly, late summer, early fall. Is Aya Neo even still selling Kun? How long did that sit on a shelf? Isn't the point of ShortCircuit to do timely shallow impressions? Gonna have it this long, it ought to be my 1/4,1/2 year with a kun, instead of the Deck. Fish, D pun intended.
YEPP - was also my first thought. Either do a video when it comes out or just don‘t ;)
The more of these handhelds release, the more it becomese even more obvious that the steamdeck is the best one overall
Always has been
Not sure about that I love my aya Neo 2021 and rog ally I’ve heard the steam deck has some game compatibility issues
@@therunawaykid6523nah I own a Deck and an Ally. The Deck is just far better as a handheld games console because of it's usability functions/pick up and play nature. My Ally is a Windows gaming laptop that's missing it's mouse and keyboard...it's useful as a spare portable computer. When I'm away from home the Deck goes with me. The Ally stays docked at home or near the couch sometimes.
The name of this thing sounds like it's the younger brother.
"What are you doing, Ayaneo-Kun?"
U can adjust the fan to mute and most of triple a games can run great with just 28-33 tdp watt. When the fan is muted and game runs smoothly its heaven bro.
The steam deck touchpad and stick placement needs to become the industry standard
how do they sustain releasing so many new products ? I don't get it
Adobe's AI thingy is strong with this one
Damn this video title is an Evangelion sequel?
yes 😂
You will (not) buy this.
Neon Genesis Evangelinus
The box literally impressed me more than the actual device. Anyway, cool video.
If you enable turbo boost for the CPU you will obviously get a lot of fan noise, there’s a reason it’s disabled by default. It also eats into the TDP that should be available for the GPU, did you reset that before running the benchmarks?
The price is total robbery
Ayaneo-senpai...
QUIN?
Apparently, it is a Chinese mythical fish and his pronunciation is correct in that context. I prefer to think of it as the Japanese honorific.
My favourite handheld! 🔥
My AyaAir sounds like that with the max 15TDP and wild fan setting
CPU Turbo is off by default as it is beneficial to have more power going to the GPU when it comes to gaming.
Whoever wrote this review has no business doing tech reviews. It’s a genuinely bad product review, of a quite decent handheld. If you have any issues, your stuffed, but the Kun is a good device.
@@emlyndewar Yeah I agree the only negative thing about it is after sales support.
@@emlyndewarYes, as the owner of a Kun I can confirm this review is inaccurate and trash especially when it comes to their battery life and performance testing. Digital Foundry has a performance comparison video featuring the Legion Go, Kun among others and it shows that the Kun is clearly superior to the Go in terms of performance and battery life.
"on the bus" is not an issue at this price
they spent most money on unboxing experience, man Unbox Theraphy would be delighted.
It's likely just press kit 😅
Fingers crossed, but my first week with my Legion Go is going great. I scored an "Open Box-Excellent" unit from Best Buy for $591 and added 4 years of warranty support and accidental damage protection for $150 (warranty transfers with device if sold). I think it strikes a balance as something with better performance than the Steam Deck but better reliability and support than you'll get from Ayaneo (not to mention at half the price). I don't foresee using the detached controllers a lot, maybe with one of those 3-D printed connectors, but it's a novel feature that adds value. I wouldn't put a lot of faith in that tiny kickstand, the Go's is practically as wide as the main body of the device.
But it is quite a large device and less portable than other devices I saw one in a cex and thought wow that is large I have the aya 2021 and rog ally 2021 which imo are the perfect size for a handheld pc - also find the steam deck too long
Got the Ally two and a half months ago and even it is a bit too high for my hands, so I'm not too comfortable holding it, but resting on a surface it's perfectly fine. I also got mine used and verified from a shop here, it was 60 bucks cheaper than if it was new, so for that price, I got the travel case for it. Have been having a great time with it and I can say that the 42W boost time doesn't usually increase performance a lot, it just helps reduce the loading times by a few seconds, which I like because I don't like waiting lol. It absolutely DECIMATES my convertible with a 10710U. That 14" laptop manages like 20FPS in Portal 1 at 1080p maxed settings. That's while increasing the TDP from 18W to 50W (the cooler can only handle like 35W CPU&iGPU combined. The Ally does quadruple that framerate at a third the power draw, it's insane
Me trying to decide if it’s worth it to upgrade from my Aya Neo 2. All these new devices coming out to the market. Will any of the games I’m currently playing look any better?
I have the OG 2021 ayaneo with green buttons; It sucks so much, loud fans and gets so hot, screen bleeding and color issues.
Cool company I like their concepts with the ayaneo slide and the flip keyboard/dualscreen models
But I recently got a steamdeck OLED and omg it's so much better in every aspect, and cheaper too. Stays cool and fans are very quiet.
Yeah I have the 2021 as well I really like it but yes I agree the fans are pretty loud and it does get quite warm I also have a rog ally which I was surprised how much quieter it is when running games, feels lighter and more comfortable to hold and obviously more powerful also great that it has a nice full hd screen
I was going to say the silver plastic feels very early 2000s, Frutiger Aero vibes.
5:01 "USB4 Gen 1" does not exist. USB4 can be implemented with 20Gbit/s, so it does not guarantee 40Gbit/s. I suggest updating the spec formatting guidelines to label with USB-IF's recommended consumer nomenclature of "USB 80/40/20/10/5Gbps" to clearly identify the actual capabilities of the device.
The Legion Go has a larger screen (8.8" vs 8.4" for the Kun), and a smaller battery (35% smaller) yet at the same TDP the Legion Go lasted 6 min longer? I would love to know why, maybe the screen in the Ayaneo is not very efficient?
Would be really cool if you could test all those with something like ChimeraOS or Bazzite. Could be interesting if those could squeeze even more performance out of that
Reminds me of the silver Daxter edition PSP I had as a teen. Good times!
Not sure what you mean by usb4 gen1, but the "lowest" usb standard that supports 40gbps is USB4 Gen 3×2. There is also USB4 Gen 2×1 and USB4 Gen 3×1 which respectively support 10gbps and 20gbps
That 19,800 mah is most likely rated at 3.7v if it is higher and it likely is for the power draw requirements its more like 7.2v 9600 mah or like 15v 6000mah.
120hz VRR is a must have now. no excuses. oh and matte screen, those reflections are a bummer.
The resolution on these feel like the megapixel-race for phones some time ago. I'm so happy the Steam Deck OLED is just 720p. At some point in time it might make sense to go 1080p, but the difference in real life gaming is just so small compared to the increase in battery life, FPS and just graphics besides from the screen res.
720p is honestly fine for gaming on this screen size. Too many people are too spoiled to realize that higher pixel density like 1440p or 4k on an 8inch screen is just diminishing returns (fine details you can't even see) and an extreme battery killer. OLED 1080p at 90-120hz would be the peak display for these handhelds, but they need to get the APU stronger while maintaining energy efficiency first
Great video, short and to the point! Please test some more games though, it's a portable so maybe test low graphical demanding games as well?
AyaNeo Kyun~
Kawaii desu~
No.
DeezNuts-Chan >u
780m feels like we're finally there for good enough handheld gaming, I think the next generation Strix point apus will be more than enough
I get a old Window Xp, Silver taskbar
Looks cool, but how long will this one last before it gets replaced by a new model?
around 79 hours
@@gorgnof optimistic guess
Probably it is already?
I’m surprised eta prime hasn’t made a video about this thing yet
interesting point about wanting the lightest handheld possible and playing it on couch with the cable plugged in... wonder if any company will actually make 1 without battery, i mean most handheld pc console's battery just can't last very long, then what's the point of having a battery in them anyway? y not just make it lighter or use the battery space for some other purpose?
I swear they keep pumping out handhelds that all seem pretty similar performance wise and the price is not coming down.
can we get a handheld comparison between all hand-helds, fps, price weight, and stuff like that
I'm not sure about windows on such devices. I absolutely love the option to just hit the power button and have the steam deck sleeping for days, but a tap on the button awakes it immediately and i can start over again without seconds.
Well... The news/rumours is MS is tinkering with a version of win for handhelds... So maybe it will be out next year?
Come on Al give us a grunt.
I wanted to get the Ayaneo Flip DS but with seeing how Ayaneo just releases new products instead of supporting a couple they already have is a little worrying.
I don't know about others but I really really like this guy, please host more vids
From the title I thought it was a budget ayaneo
im pretty sure ive seen my ally turbo to 53w ... i could be wrong ... gonna have to check it now...
Looks alot like the Aokzoe A1 pro (usb, usb a, kick stand, screen size, battery, etc)
That's the same APU that's in the minisforum EM780 mini-PC, it's great and runs super quiet
That 60hz max though... I wouldn't get this. Need at least 120hz..
It must be popular because I can only buy the 2TB/32GB version for $1329, the base model isn't available.
The design of this thing is so 2000s I love it
YES
Aya Neo slide, aya Neo 2021, aya Neo 2021 pro, aya Neo 2021 retro power, aya Neo kun , aya Neo lite yeah they sure like to release different models - i have the aya Neo 2021 which I still love alongside my rog ally
Plouffe being a Keyboard enthusiast, I get why he might not use any controller back buttons. However, I hope even the switch 2 has them because with many games it's nice to be able to move the camera simultaneously and with an action/reload/jump/etc. I usually always map 1 button, but more depending on the game. It can also help with pressing fatigue if you use both face and back buttons.
Some are just intimidated by the idea of learning back buttons. I know it was a pain for several months when I got my elite series 2 controller, as I set each one to replace the face buttons entirely. Now it's natural, and the face buttons only get hit out of muscle memory
To be honest I dig the box more then the console/product there where in it ( cause that is a damn nice box )
i usually get 5 hours per charge on my steamdeck though im playing non demanding games but thats why i bought it so it fits my needs. getting under 3 hours would be a no go
It's a beautiful device, but mine came with a bad screen, and dealing with Ayaneo's customer service has been a hassle and a half.
Wdym they offer pretty great customer service?
It's a hideous device what are you talking about
@kirby21-xz4rx The language barrier has made email exchanges very confusing. I've had my ticket closed twice now because I was waiting on something from them, but apparently, they were waiting on something from me that wasn't communicated clearly. I received my Kun about 6 weeks ago and discovered the screen is either installed wrong or damaged. After troubleshooting the software for a week, I concluded I needed to get it repaired or replaced. I'm still waiting for them to help me get it shipped out.
@glub1381 In person, the materials really are premium. I suppose the touch pads are a little weird. I think I went after the Kun for the battery, the screen size, and the touch pads. The touch pads are a little disappointing compared to the Steam Deck. Unfortunately, the screen problem means I still haven't gamed on it.
@@kirby21-xz4rx If by great you mean non-existent. Then yes.
Love it!
One of the cubes on the logo on the wall is on the wrong orientation and I can't stop noticing it
They should review the ayaneo flip with is 8840U, I kinda want to get it
Helps with the hitchy mouse movement of which he didn’t mention until he saw it was 60hz… makes sense
D-pad in Kun THE BEST!!!
I wonder if these windows handhelds will get better battery life if Atlas OS was installed to trim all the OS fat.
Ayaya?
Ayaneo dayo
Ayaya
Ayaneo
AYAYA AYAYA AYAYA AYAYA
Can't wait for the next one so that they can drop support for their old ones
If you see a company releasing new but similar products every other month, RUN, they are not the company to buy from
It's about time someone built this handheld PS4.
It's also insane to think a Quest 3 is only 503 grams
The Legion go smokes this device! I would love to mess around with the 54 watt mode though!
...more interested in the acrylic panel with stand than the mountains...
Plouf must have never played Elden Ring. On my steam deck, I mapped R1 and B to the right side buttons, and L1 and Y to the left side. That way I can leave my index fingers on the triggers, and thumbs on the joysticks without needing to hold B to run. No more claw grip or not being able to move the camera while running
Claw grip is the strangest phenomenon I've ever encountered from other gamers. Maybe it was just that I was an N64 kid or something lol
@@smittyvanjagermanjenson182 for Souls games specifically, especially Elden Ring, it's almost mandatory without mappable buttons. Otherwise there's no way to move the camera while running, jumping, or dodging.
I'll wait for the Ayaneo Senpai, thank you very much.
Personally after living in a motel for nearly a year for work what i really want is a gaming tablet with a 120hz oled and its own reticulating table arm. I dont like looking down the whole time id rather pair my elite2 and have the screen floating in front of my face. I do that with my phone,an arm and it perfectly mounts to my lafuma zero grav chair.
Nothing about Ayaneo handhelds have ever had me interested except for this thing on paper but like you showed and like I've seen in other reviews this just ain't it especially not for that price. Give it a couple months and they'll churn out another half baked unique handheld that few will buy. Cool packaging and accessories, I'll give 'em that.
hope they will make it one day...
Does the Steam Deck ever resize a window in gamescope-session aka game mode? I don't think so, I never saw this myself.
Man, so glad I when with etch display on the steam deck. Otherwise play in the dark.
Not ayaneo but I almost bought the onexplayer2 because I love the idea how you can remove the controllers leaving you with a tablet pc which doesn't look like a gaming console in case I want to use it as a tablet like when I wanna watch a video on coffee shops for example.
But I don't want to buy from the site itself because I don't know the final price with international shipping so I decided to wait for 3rd party shops in my country to have them on the shelves.
Time went by and it took way too long for my country to have them on stock and I was already itching since a lot of posts online already got it. Then when it was available in the country, Legion go got announced. So I skipped the oxp 2 and got the legion go months after
The APU, at least in the rog ally gives you (almost) the perfect performance around 18-20W if I remember correctly. Everything else is just there to heat your house and ruin your ears.
It's crazy that anybody can build a device as the KUN and try to convince people that it makes any kind of sense.