When Jo kwon said that “luckily you don’t have to wear these heels for the challenge”. Woongki and seowon were the only ones who said “but i really want to”. I love these boys❤️
"a person doesn't have to be out to be gay" OK GO OFF I'm so tired of the "don't assume they're gay" argument bc it's rooted in so much homophobia. The little rainbow flower pin on sung hanbin's blazer during the Say My Name performance made me smile and I'm not about to let someone invalidate that.
i'm actually openly weeping at adam's little speech. you're so right - it's the painful implication that we're doing something wrong by even just recognising each other out in the world. and it's so lovely that (yes god, of all things, MNET's own) boys planet gives us even glimpses of the spectrum of all ways we are. also the "gay even if you don't come out" - i will be crying about this for a week thank u!!
Exactly! And honestly there's no way I would watch this show if, like, 1 in 3 of the boys weren't queer! The LGBT boys are carrying the show, and honestly they deserve recognition. We'll see what lineup MNET chooses at the end, but this could end up being the gayest boy group ever, and I for one hope for and welcome that possibility! I'd love a group composed half (or more, even) of queer or at least queer presenting members. When y'all point out which contestants are a lil fruity, it helps me understand who I ought to be rooting for. I want more artists like Sunoo of Enhyphen and Jimin of BTS in KPop, not fewer. The critics are missing the point. Queer representation is a good thing, and we have nothing but positivity and support for these trainees. They're all so talented.
@@zackwilson8701 And I think falling into the argument of "if it looks gay it won't do numbers"... the people who are hiding behind this as having "good intention" are just embracing the homophobic consensus and the same rhetoric that we have been sticking by for way too long. And be real, when things are called explicitly queer like by lowkey gay-ignoring powerhouses like disney, it is not like we see actual authentic queer people, and they are literally there for less than a glimpse. By embracing possibilities of "authentic" queer representation and being able to call it queer even if it isn't, we are actively fighting the negative connotation of the words "gay" and "queer". The chance of something being gay Among Many Other Things is valuable because it makes queerness something positively connotated in a world where it is kind of ontologically not a thing. This is not something that we are doing with "just kpop" and "just boysplanet", this is an ongoing, active change of rhetoric!! that's why it matters. Something perhaps being gay does not suddenly emasculate someone or take aways their worth. And if people thing like that, then that's a thinking pattern we have to dig into because it is based on a reality that stupid little humans made up by themselves. And in the same vein of embracing potentially gay things also check out my friend tyler's explicitly queer boygroup who call themselves "The First & Only All QBIPOC Pop Group" instagram.com/boibndofficial/ xoxo
Hi Star Creators! This is Adam commenting - here to say a couple things. First, I promise to show more charms and hard work for my next stage! ❤🌈 Ok but really re: my rant lmao So many comments have come in and I'm so filled with emotion reading about how BP has helped you feel seen, especially those of you who identify under the queer umbrella. I really wasn't going into the recording anticipating saying any of that, in fact I had decided it was best to ignore the ignorants, but something sparked me and after seeing your reactions makes me feel a lot better haha. When I first got into KPop, through BTS specifically, I felt like I had never felt seen before. My brain broke as a guy who's more feminine having grown up in the post 9/11 masculine America where people had to create a new term for men who wore a belt with their jeans (shoutout to the metrosexual community). Navigating every day as a gay person isn't new and definitely much easier now in America than it was even 10 years ago, but it's still exhausting. I'm so happy so many of us find comfort in this art form and this show especially (I can't believe i'm praising MNET; the end is near) I've grown to love so many of these trainees and seeing so many people outpour love to them not in spite of their proximity to queerness but because of it... it makes me feel like if I had this when I was 16 and figuring out who i was that i would be able to point to people and say "look, that's me" which would have been huge. All this to say, I see you, I hear you, and you're completely and utterly valid in whatever you identify as. RJ and our co-founder Ryno created this channel in order to be a place for fandom to exist without toxicity and I'm so warmed to see we've carried that over to the kpop community (which, like any fandom, has its own share of issues). But thank you all, and keep being queer. Love y'all.
I'm watching this Ted talk right now and you're 100% correct. Gay people exist. We're here and have been forever. If we see queerness in another we celebrate that. We can celebrate the queerness that as you said so many of the boys on BP have been shown. Does not matter if they are or are not gay. They're showing us queerness and as you literally just said on "a queer narrative".
BoysPlanet is LITERALLY slowly turning into RuPaul's Drag Race and I'm living. The producers really said this week's mini challenge is a theatre challenge, where you have to sing and act in pairs to this scene from a musical. Between the mini and maxi challenges, Hanbin and Hao are really slaying the competition honey. They're serving us versatility and different concepts every week and I'm living. I'm so nervous for the eliminations next week.
There's actually a clip going around on twt of Woonggi saying he doesn't mind if people speculate about his sexuality and that it's normal to be curious. Someone needs to show your haters that haha
I mean woonggis predebut q&a things speak for itself he literally said “if you dont love lgbtq+ people i dont love you” when someone said something abt it. and theres a whole lot more!
as a closeted bi person who can’t come out due to the culture and family I come from, and who has felt seen while watching both bp and this podcast, I thank you so much for your words 🥹 it’s really hard when I can’t explain to my friends in real life why this show and these boys mean so much to me. This is my little safe space on the internet to parasocialize with people who get it. P.S. thank you all for introducing me to Korean BLs too. It’s a beautiful new addiction 😅
First of all I’m really proud how u live ur life even when society near u doesn’t accept for who you are .. keep thriving keep going one day you will definitely find ur peace ! It’s not easy but that doesn’t mean it’s over
Have youseen Haruto's comment under his fan-cam? It's thr best thing ever. Our teams unnies - Seowon and Woonggi, and a husband Zihao. Be for real. And also, thank you, Adam, for everything that you said. The inherent homophobia of taking offense in assuming sexuality only if the assumption is a queer interpretation, and the erasure and damnation of the queer perspective - is goddamn disgusting and shameful. Thank you for you wisdom at y'alls grown age
The biggest BL enthusiast living out his own fairy tale BL while at the same time slaying all his stages....how to win at life like Zhang Hao. I think #1 might actually be a possibility for this round, ever since his Over Me live photos and fancams leaked all over the socials to all the vids of him with the Yuehuaz on Ollie's birthday, I think he gained a lot of fans, especially in Korea.
Kuanjui's older sister is openly gay so we'll always have that WIN. if you want to cry (and haven't seen it yet) his family and fans made a video for him where the fans sent in their messages and his family reenacted the butterfly performance, AND there's a video of him reacting to it that made me tear up ;-;
for me, just seeing the contestants be proud to engage in queer culture, regardless of whatever their sexuality may be, is so SO impactful. the way they’re not afraid or ashamed to do things that might be seen as “stereotypically gay” is so refreshing as someone who grew up sapphic in a suburb where being gay was treated as the worst thing you could be. i think it’s wrong to act like queer viewers are doing something morally bad by identifying with contestants that are actively engaging in our culture (i.e. jiwoong bl, hanbin voguing, woonggi’s everything, etc.), ESPECIALLY when we’ve been historically deprived of positive representation. also, a lot of the girlypop contestants are not only in on the joke, but they’re actively ENCOURAGING it (hanbin’s “haobin” comment, woonggi joking that he thought this was “girls planet,” haruto calling zihao his husband, jiwoong saying the jongwoo kiss was fun, i can go on). queerness isn’t something bad or something to be hidden, and clearly the boys think so too. TLDR: it’s an indisputable fact that this show highlights many aspects of queer culture, and queer people are allowed to celebrate that.
Yes! Finally, I feel so seen, you are me! I have the same background, and you just put words to all of my feelings. It doesn't actually matter who they do or don't want to sleep with, they are engaging in queer culture at large. And that is so wonderful!
Honestly thank you for the gay conversation because too many times within the kpop community, people love to dabble in queer culture in kpop but the moment insinuates someone is gay it becomes this huge issue. I want to be like everyone else who can imagine and pretend without having to be labeled as a weirdo. That’s why appreciate you guys because you say what I think and we need more of y’all in kpop in general
Also I was shaking in my seat trying not to cry and throw up when Zhang Hao put a blanket over Hanbin when he was passed out. They’re saurrrr tender 🥹💕
The queer discourse YAAAAS! I just wanna say thank you for that speech - I feel so seen. I also was watching this with my straight roomie (I'm bisexual) and this helped her a lot to understand me better!!!
It was so frustrating how they did not show how zhanghao shared his solo killing part (some people even dared call him selfish) with his team or how zhanghao and jui worked on the choreo when they literally was credited.
kuanjui and zhanghao gave me queer goodness and i ATE EVERYSINGLE SECOND OF IT....if kuanjui gets eliminated idk what ill do with msyelf also seeing matthew do so well on stage after the..journey...that has been bptwt this past week was so refreshing i love him so much ugh
Matthew’s stage presence is insane. His details is why I keep rewatching SMN and his fan-cam. I love one of the mentors mentioning ‘His smile is your weapon!’
PARK HANBIN is the moment!! ❤ We got so much content from him this week including the interview video that he led around camp. He is so talented and is insane that he hasn’t been in the top 9. Overall after much consideration he is going to be my one pick. He simply must debut. Regarding the obvious queer content the show has, I want to say that this group has so many incredibly brave and unapologetic people. For some of them to be free and not putting a mask or persona, In a society as Korea and within the K-pop world has been so refreshing. Overall we are seeing a massive switch into being openly yourself. They are making a change in the society. Just Woongki saying he wants to marry Taerae or Haruto calling ZiHao husband, is the most brave, honest and wonderful . They are simply true to themselves instead of living in fear of how to act or what to say ❤ Thank you once again to you two for hosting this show and giving us Queer people a safe space. Literally everything is for straight people, let us have this one thing ❤
So happy to have this episode! We got so much haobin content I was fed well. Random but thank you guys so much for pumping out the content. It’s horrible here in Quebec, I’ve been out to electricity for the pass 4 days now due to an ice storm. Having this recap gives me some light in this dark cold house of mine lol
To all the Zhang Hao fans, please only focus on him because he is NOT safe. Remember, he is chinese and knetz with focus on koreans + he was a filler vote for a lot of fandoms. We need more 1-pick power. Its getting scary for him
someone on twt found that apparently kuanjui got evil edited by looking at hao's hair pins. that's why the drama felt so weird, because several of the scenes weren't even related to one another. it's so upsetting how much they have hidden kuanjui throughout the whole show, especially this episode when he had so many chances to get good screen time and every single instance got cut. (i am personally very bitter we didn't get the jui x taerae theatre scene because i just know jui ate it up.) i'm really hoping he somehow pulls through this round as he way too talented to lose, but chances are looking bleak 😞
Some of my personal favorite moments of the episode that nobody asked for: - The amount of wholesome Haobin content in the beginning of the episode was just so precious. Like when they were choosing partners for the little prince and Hanbin wasted no time to choose Zhang Hao as is partner🥲 and the clip of Hao sort of taking care of Hanbin when he was asleep and making by sure he was covered up like ugh Haobin best boys if they don’t debut together I’m going to Amazon Prime a personal whoop ass to Miss Mnet herself idc - Shuaibo’s hair extensions was giving the same energy as Taemin’s extensions in Sherlock. Take what you want from that comment - I’m so glad that Matthew was able to be comfortable with his part in the Say My Name. Like he looked like he was about to cry when they were practicing I felt absolutely horrible. But I am glad that him be Seungeon did end up changing parts because I do feel like they both thrived with the lines they ended up getting. - Also it was so refreshing to see Jiwoong pull of this concept. Like so far we’ve only seen this sexy masculine “tough” side of him and seeing him do this sort of concept shows how talented he is. He was giving the same vibe of that high school senior that all of the underclassmen have a crush on and/or want to be friends with - For Over Me I have four words: Zhang Hao best leader. And I agree with RJ I wish they showed more individual/personal coaching from the coaches like what they showed w Hao and Solji. - As someone who’s been voting for Haruto every single week since ep1 it almost made me legit cry seeing him finally get the attention he deserves and get the most amount of individual votes from the live audience (obviously he and Hao tied for the most amount of votes but still). Like he deserves the actual and I’m so proud of him for getting his moment to shine and be recognized for his talents like homeboy is the definition of all rounder - Also Kuan Jui’s pterodactyl screech when Over Me won made my CRY laughing
the other teams was praising Jay and when Jay was last all of them were shocked because Jay carried the team with his vocal so him being last is honest a huge slap in the face like if you saw some of the teams reaction of the performance they kept praising Jay nonstop
I'm sorry but there's NO WAY somebody that has watched all 10 episodes of boys planet can look at me in the eyes and strongly & confidently tell me Sung Hanbin is not at least A LITTLE queer coded, like there's no way, i just can't not see the queer coding - a young teenage queer person
I honestly didn't think Jay's (or anyone in over me) score would be that low. His score was half of what Zhang Hao got?! I would have been pissed if any of the Over Me team got that low of a score. Then, Jay's speech in his interview 🥺 I feel like mnet has seen all the Mattwoong edits and said sure let's roll with this. They were definitely the pair I didn't expect, but I'm definitely hooked now. Everyone knows how strong Mattbin's relationship is... plus, I feel like they're trying not to angel edit Shanbin too much. I feel like they over killed it with Dayeon, and they didn't want to make the same mistake. That Hiyyih comment. It's so true, but also 💀
It’s a JOKE that queer people STILL have to explain this stuff to straight people… thank you Adam for doing this. People needed to hear this and have a reality check. If anyone still doesn’t understand what the whole point of this was. Just look up videos on queer community, queer-representation, queer-codes. Educate yourself individually. As a community, when we find anything WE personally relate to or see as “queer”. We do NOT mean it as an insult. I think the biggest problem straight people have (esp the younger ones), with understanding is. That saying “something or someone is gay”. It is NOT an insult. Because straight people have USED “your gay” as an insult for centuries. If a gay/queer person uses “your gay”, it is NOT AN INSULT. It is just USSSS a COMMUNITY relating. For us. An oppressed community of CENTURIES!!! To finally be able to be open with the world, exposed, vulnerable. To finally have mediums to speak to each other and relate through queer codes through art, music, celebrities, fashion etc. it is a big thing for us. Not everyone is able to have a queer community irl. Let me get personal. I as a person, irl do NOT have a singular friend whom I know in person, who is queer, who I can relate to, talk to, feel supported around. So I have to outsource connections online to find “people like me”. Then have to also find queer people with the SAME INTERESTS AS ME? It’s like digging for a needle in a hay stack. Literally… it’s not easy.
And also they put Haruto and Matthew in the preview, but cut it out from the actual episode. Like, I've seen Haruto unzipping Matthew's shirt, please, show it. Damn it, mnet!
I loved the small rant about the comments you are getting because it's so true! Not only does content doesn't have to be openly stated as queer to be interpreted as queer but they also don't always owe it to us. Korean society being what it is, these queer coded moments are already so precious ❤️ EDIT: also those negative comments give me "people screaming queer baiting" vibes and they are not it
honestly, thank you so much for speaking on queer experiences and how that affects the way we see and interact with the world. it may just be me, but as an army and avid watcher of boys planet, i feel like ive seen A Lot of people coming for queer people and our interpretations of the art and scenarios we're being presented, from people flaming queer readings of jimins newest album to people coming for anyone who insinuates a bp boy may be queer. it feels so disheartening to me that anytime we try to speak about how we relate to our fave artists as queer people, we're met with thinly-veiled queerphobia that the larger public never has a problem with bc its in the name of ""not making assumptions.""" but like you said, gay people are still gay in the closet--and nobody is ever *required* to come out to still be queer. also, it also pisses me off bc in some cases it feels like people are straight-up ignoring things these boys have said or done in the past in an effort to cover up any insinuations of queerness. like, woonggi openly supports lgbtq+ rights, and has said before that he doesnt feel like being asked if he likes boys is a rude question. so it just feels wrong that people try *so hard* to shut any discussions of queerness down, as if its something shameful. idk, this comment is way longer than it needed to be lol, but thank you again for saying what needed to be said!! ❤
Hey guys - i don't know if you'll even see my comment but i just want to let you know that i just binged every episode of your podcast and it makes me feel like i'm hanging out with my friends.. you guys are so great. as a fellow BL fan, K-pop veteran, Drag Race stan and BFA kid i appreciate all of your references - don't worry i see you. Please don't censor yourselves.I really love to see experienced queer people share their stories and insights. I don't know much about Korean culture, but i know being gay there is very taboo. I'm sure many of the trainees would be grateful to know that you see them and love them just as they are even if they can't talk about it. I think it was really incredible to see Key and especially Jo Kwon visit the trainees. Something about him walking in with heels and singing "And You Don't Even Know It" which is literally a song about a teenager who dreams of being a drag queen. I mean.... come on. And Woongi saying he wanted to try the heels on..... lol. Anyway i just wanted to let ya'll know i love your podcast so much. I look forward to it every week after the show. PS. How could you guys just gloss over Haruto's MARRIAGE to Wang Zi Hao???
More than his coming last it was the audience treating him badly that really hurt. And people pointed out he was probably so worried his score would cause over me team to loose😔
I could watch yall talk about this show for literal hours you've made my spring break actually fun omg truly yall are the reason I started watching boys planet and its become my latest obsession I love it so much and as an acting BFA owner myself I love all the tie ins yall include it makes it so so fun LMAO thank yall for doing this!!!!
Meanwhile Haruto just declared in his fancam comments that he and Zihao are married, the fandom followed and also married each other and are flirting on twitter.
no bcs thank you for that rant. Boys planet is supposed to be fun for EVERYONE and also for queer people;. If we wanna see queerness we are allowed. The queer people before us have fought for our freedom to be able to express ourselves and to be open about who we are or not. I really really love this podcast bcs you guys's words totally match how i'm watching boys planet as a queer person. it's fun, it's light it's quirky and it's gay bcs we are!!
I really, really, really appreciated what Adam had to say about seeking and seeing queerness in media, and specifically that *YOU DO NOT HAVE TO COME OUT* TO BE "REALLY" GAY. We can just EXIST, in public, in private, at our jobs, on TV, as queer people, without having to owe anyone *ANY explanation* or any confirmation of other people think they are. Queer people do not solely exist when we are explicitly out to the general public! We are always here, just trying to do our thing and pursue authenticity, happiness, peace, and fulfillment while having to exist in a cisheternormative world that is more often than not deeply invested in keeping us in the margins (which is especially why we LOVE to see our people succeeding in the media -- no coming out necessary). There is nothing ~problematic~ about seeing and discussing people who we relate to and whose personalities, experiences, talent, etc vibe with our lives and community. And as Adam said, especially when we are talking about young artists in the freaking entertainment industry. Their whole thing is to be expressive and unique. I don't know what's queerer than that smh. If your problem with this is on the supposed basis of some kind of "invasion of privacy" or "assumptions about their personal lives"..um, that energy must be applied to this entire concept of survival reality television. That's not a sexuality/identity thing. We are literally stanning men who we acknowledge are constantly being manipulated through deceptive editing and manufactured pressure and competition, and who are being exploited for their idol ambitions. That's the general cutthroat fuckery of hyper-capitalist entertainment. *The gays are not the problem.*
Hi guys! just commenting to say, please don't let haters(ignorant people) influence the way you express about the guys in boys planet, i really love your videos because is refreshing to see your queer perspective. As a bi woman I'm frequently searching for queer content/subtext in korean media and your recaps of my currently favorite show is so fun. Pleaseee don't stop making comments or implications of queerness because 'people' only see a problem when you imply someone is under the queer umbrella. I'm happy Boys planet made me found your channel so please don't change the essence. Ly guys
thank you so so much for that speech. it's so true. i have to ask if you expected going into this that there would be so much diverse queer rep because it's truly amazing to me, it feels so so joyful to me that mnet, a lot of the fandom and it seems the majority of the contestants are celebrating queer culture either through their actions and engagement w etc queer dance culture or comments that go outside of traditional masculinity, or through the editing. regardless of if it’s for ‘clicks’ or if the contestants actually are gay it genuinely feels like a treat that this space of comfort can be found in a mnet survival show of all places. i never expected it and i’m having such a good time/ am so happy that it seems like ppl that are queer on the show can feel safe in queer expression
Omg I'm so shocked y'all didn't mention Haruto's comment on his fancam OR Park Hanbin's beret in that random extra video they dropped. But tbh there's so much to cover each week... I understand forgetting things LOL The whole rant about queer people viewing things through an inherently queer lens was so great. Tbh I love blbp cuz you always point out things I was thinking about but didn't wanna say online since I feel like random people will yell at me for it 🫶 so yay ty. I get to sit in my room and be delusional while listening to y'all. it's so great. Oh speaking of being delusional? The clip from the dorms when Park Hanbin was asking Keita why he didn't try for the larger rap part? They really just gave us 2 seconds of shirtless phanbin and expected me to survive? I didn't. I gasped when they showed that in the episode. The chemistry in my brain changed. I'm a different (gayer) man now (I didn't know that was possible)
literally so much happened but the phanbin content with his back and his little skinny waist was too much for my brain. you could say hes taken my heart phantom thieves style 🤭
adam thank you, THANK YOU !! for your lil rant cause it's everything that i've been thinking and feeling since the show started. as a gay transman i just never ever ever see myself in any media so just seeing a wide range of masculinities and that all of them are okay really means a lot to me
I really like what you said about implying that an idol is gay, Seeing a bunch of people reacting the way that those one or two comments did but having thousand of posts daily going : Their girlfriend would be so lucky, or making edits of what their type of girl might be and you never see anybody getting upset that these people assumed they were straight just say it all. Anyway, in another dimension I would debut a girly pop group with woongi, seowon, phanbin, haruto, zhanghao and company and they would elevate bg music. Ang GO PARK HANBIN (always mention the number 1 pick)
Jo kwon coming out singing everybody's talking about Jamie made me tear up as a biritsh queer person, I remember watching him doing the korean version on TH-cam some years ago and so for it to merge with boys planet🥹🥹 especially with the whole "being yourself " sentiment some trainees have had and that being exactly what that musical is about. It was very important to me
I wasn't planning on watching the show and i'm following it now because of you two. Having a space that acknowledges queer perception in kpop, whether it's the participants/producers intention or not, is so good. I cackle at the drag race references because they are so on point. And Adam is right, there's nothing wrong with using our lived experience to analyse media. It's how we learned to see the world and spot each other in (sometimes unsafe) crowds.
as a lesbian, i really appreciated what you and to say! queerness always feels to need to be hidden so whenever you see it it feels like a shining light, like things are getting better. the whole reason i watched this show bc i saw how queer it was. if makes me happy to see queerness in a happy light. i feel seen, i feel like maybe things are getting better. i really appreciated what you said. whenever queer people find queerness in anything (those) straights always try to make us feel bad for finding ourselves in things. (even though they go and make everything straight) it unfortunately is just how we are conditioned in this messed up society. (🤡) so thank you for speaking your truth, THE truth. and i hope they hear this and finally at least TRY to understand and emphasize. i am SO tired of (those) straight people saying that queers are being OBNOXIOUS abt queerness. we aren’t we are finally just able to talk about it 🫠 love you both great show as always! and once again as a lesbian, ricky has me SIMPING, so hell yea he did great lol also i agree i love pou, he seems so sweet and awkward, i want him to be my friend lol thank you again! sorry for the long comment
Oh my goooood the queer rant 😭👏 I'm so glad you guys talked about this bc it's something that bothers me so bad in kpop fandom especially. As a queer person myself, it's so incredibly exciting and validating to see idols exhibit queer traits. Obviously well-intentioned queer kpop fans aren't trying to speak for these idols and assign them a label!! But it's so common, when someone talks about an idol being queer or showing hints of queerness, for people to try to make it seem like a problematic assumption and/or fetishization. Queer people exist all over the world, in all cultures, regardless of whether or not they're able to be explicitly open about it. Literally the reason why queer people are able to identify certain traits is because we have common lived experiences, but obviously non-queer people wouldn't understand our perspective :/ it's soooo frustrating. Thank you for articulating it so well!! ❤
Really glad they showed Jiwoong comforting Matthew. He's honestly such a nice person with the biggest heart. Mnet is definitely making Matthew the main character with how much focus was on him this episode, and I know people singled him out for his performance in Say My Name, but Jiwoong once again stole my attention with how mature and caring he is. It makes me so sad that people see him only as a pretty face. It makes me even sadder to see all the homophobic comments he gets. Someone literally even said they hope he's getting SA'd?? How can people be so cruel. Especially knowing what happened with ATEEN. Also, people use the term "queerbating" so losely these days. Like, they really were accusing Jiwoong of queerbating for being in a BL drama as if we all didn't know the complications of BL dramas in Asian countries. So please, consider giving your vote to Jiwoong. He's the biggest sweetheart who doesn't deserve to get hate. Don't let the homophobes win.
fun fact: they used to ask which of the performances do you like the best. in most (if not all) of the original produce seasons, they had everyone vote in boxes for a single performance after everything was said and done. which i agree is the better way to go about it.
hanbin is in love with zhanghao, haruto is in love with zihao, woonggi is in love with jeonghyeop, gyuvin is in love with yujin. takuto is in love with gunwook. They are all gay, unless they come out specifically that they are straight, they are gay. Idk why people mask they're homophobia with their own personal logic. Oh actually i know why, they feel more comfortable in a world where everyone is straight because it helps to stabilize a global patriarchy that envelops the world we live in today.
I think for Matthew it was mostly that they first all agreed he could do that part and then an hour before that evaluation they changed it so where it took 3 weeks for us for them all of this happened in an afternoon so he was still upset since it had just happened. Once he knew he could do it and do it well he was all in still so I don't think it was him not wanting to participate
I watch your commentary BECAUSE you view Boys Planet through gay eyes. It makes it that much more interesting. Also, if the "unnies" as Haruto called them, if the unnies on the Supercharger team that were booted off of the Say My Name team (plus Haruto), if Mnet would decide to upload a performance, even like, you know, the dance-off in an earlier ep.... if Mnet would decide to upload a performance of Say My Name with the unnies in it.....imagine that!
6:01 J-Hope also featured in one of Jo Kwon's performances as a trainee!! Another bighit connection is that Hitman Bang PD was the person who gifted Jo Kwon his first pair of heels 😢
You hit the nail on the head with your speech. You said everything I've been unable to say and so eloquently as well and I just feel so seen. I didn't think this recap was going to make me cry but! Here we are haha Just feels really nice to be able to watch this show and experience it alongside you guys and know that I'm not the only one excited to essentially see queer rep on a show I really love :')
Awwwww i love you guys sooo much. I cried a lot in this ep esp when you picked park hanbin as your number 1. Thank you guys so much! I’ve always been waiting for your reactions and inputs every episode 💙
Yeeessss, Seo Won finally in your Bep1er! Makes me very happy!!! Adams Bep1er is perfect 😍 I was actually so mad, that Mnet didn't show Park Han Bin / Seo Won and Haruto / Matthew doing their musical test?! I was so excited when I saw them as teams. 😯 RELEASE THE FOOTAGE MNET!! And y'all not talking about the "honey" incident?
For real, they even showed Haruto and Matthew in the preview of the last episode. I saw that "do you want to train me?" with the shirt unzipping thing and was like: guuuurl. Haruto, the man you are today. Was on the edge of my seat the whole week for this and they gave me nothing (except for Haruto dragging Matthew by the scarf, it was tasty, not gonna lie). But why, mnet, oh why? Show me my babygirls please. I know PHanbin did great too, I just need to SEE it, damn
ive been looking forward to this one since the minute i finished the episode on thursday,,, did NOT disappoint!! screw the people who come at yall for speaking your truth. peace love boys love boys planet
Kamden FINALLY in your Bepler Line Up ❤😢 Honestly, the boy's rapping skills are killer and he's a damn good dancer! 🔥 But he barely gets any screentime 🥺 I think the reason knetz are finally noticing him is apart from his insane rapping & dancing, he's just a very cute, kinda introverted person and as a fellow introvert, I am all for it! We need different types of idols in the kpop scene these days.. and Na Kamden is 100% genuine! 🤭😋
Living for the queer rep on BP 💅🏻 they get more comfy through the weeks their inner selfs are shining through more. I live for PHanbins top tiers burns 🔥 how I thought he was 100% straight to start I too was a 🤡
The thing about BP, even if none of them are actually gay, is that they are actively partaking in queer activities. Shanbin specializes in waacking, which originated in gay clubs back in the 70s, Cong has old videos of him dancing in heels, Zhanghao is openly heterophobic (lol), and Jiwoong has literally made out with another man on television, to name only a few things. So I feel like when people are talking about how queer BP is, it's less about the contestants sexualities' and more about what they are doing. As a queer person, I usually get uncomfortable when people label and insist upon an idol's apparent queerness, cus I have found that it's usually based on harmful homophobic stereotypes, and straight people take it is an opportunity to fetishize us. But I don't feel that applies to this, because again, the boys are directly taking part in queer or queer-adjacent activities. It's not about stereotypes or fetishization of queer people, but about boys who are comfortable with expressing themselves in whatever way, and not being afraid to partake in things that might be considered "gay". It's comforting, because it's an indirect way to show that there is no reason to fear being labeled as gay or queer, because there is nothing wrong with being queer. So again, I feel it's less about their sexualities' and more about them doing and supporting things that are traditionally queer.
OBSESSED with this episode! I was clapping during Adam’s whole rant. I complete agree and relate. Always enjoy your back and forth. Sad this is almost over. Love y’all!
when u brought up zhang hao/chen kuan jui pas de deux i immediately started thinking about the taeyong/ten nct subunit and now i need to see them doing a dance cover of baby dont stop
I reallyyyy wanted to see Seowon and PHanbin musical performance, also I love the Haruto Zihao combination! Haruto's comments in his fancam are always so funny, he's an icon
people always have an issue with us assuming gay but everyone assumes everyone as straight and no one bats an eyelash, why cant we queer people have idols
My theory with the hanbin Matthew resolution happened off camera, like during the van ride or something because Hanbin wanted Matthew to have that moment not for the camera. But that’s all just a theory. All I know is that boy is smart and he seems to truest care about Matthew so I could see that happening.
over me team really was lesbian power couple kuanhao, their two fruity sons jay and ricky (im sorry if ur too blind to see the vision, but we all saw the face jay made when jongwoo walked out in the princess wig... he was WHIPPED), and their straight friend jeonghyeon from school over for a playdate
Ok here is my essay for you guys (you see the longer this series goes on the more I say in your comment section 😶. 1) I think Matthew’s thing was slightlyyy different from Shaui bo’s just cause matthew never fully “gave up”. If shauibo was just depressed but still fully trying it would be one thing but he fully was just like “I don’t see the point in trying”. If Matthew didn’t even try I would’ve been hella disappointed as an “i love you I want you Seok Matthew” stan. 2) Adam I know you said you felt stupid with what you were saying about the queerness of boys planet but as a fellow queer I truly thank you and don’t think you sounded stupid at all. It’s like knowing that plants make oxygen vs having a scientist explain exactly how. Yes I knew that not all gay people are the same but still how you analyzed it was very informative and I enjoyed it so thank you sm 🫶🏾🫶🏾. 3) RJ Yes I know Ouran Host Club! and I know EXACTLYYY what ur talking about (coming from the person who did a whole vogue performance TWICE cosplaying as an Ouran character)
Matthew ate up Say My Name. Everyone did great but my eyes kept going to him during the performance. Would you guys be up for doing a video talking about the trainees' reactions to the performances that Mnet released? It was so much fun and we got some great content. Legend says Haruto's hand has still not left Zihao's thigh 😅
love everything said in this episode so much 😭😭 ESPECIALLY EN GARDE SUPREMACYYYY ugh they seriously look like an already debuted group already I am obsessed
Loved this episode, and loved the Boys Planet episode. I enjoyed it but my biggest gripe was how they did JAY dirty with the performance editing, and it was so easy to notice because it's the one time they purposely changed their edit style to not focus on the one belting the high note. It's too overt. Still voting for my gurl Haruto. Might have to alternate my one vote picks with Jay but I don't know if I can risk it.
I loved this episode!! I see so many people hating on Switch, but I actually really liked it lol (switch stan). Also, as a queer K-pop fan, I tend to seek out people who are like me in the groups because it brings me comfort, as well as happiness for them for being themselves to the best they can in that industry. Your speech made me really emotional, so I wanted to thank you for speaking about this.
i just wanted to say that ur bp recap videos are my favs because as a queer person i feel this is a safe place and we can talk about contestants being queer without ppl telling us that "not everything is gay", i get so mad when you guys get that comments on tiktok you REALLY are a safe place for bp queer fans 🫶🌈
I really enjoyed the whole discussion of queer discourse. I really agree with everything you guys said, ive always found the kpop fandom is really negative towards ppl discussing idols being potentially queer.
When Jo kwon said that “luckily you don’t have to wear these heels for the challenge”. Woongki and seowon were the only ones who said “but i really want to”. I love these boys❤️
"a person doesn't have to be out to be gay" OK GO OFF
I'm so tired of the "don't assume they're gay" argument bc it's rooted in so much homophobia.
The little rainbow flower pin on sung hanbin's blazer during the Say My Name performance made me smile and I'm not about to let someone invalidate that.
i'm actually openly weeping at adam's little speech. you're so right - it's the painful implication that we're doing something wrong by even just recognising each other out in the world. and it's so lovely that (yes god, of all things, MNET's own) boys planet gives us even glimpses of the spectrum of all ways we are. also the "gay even if you don't come out" - i will be crying about this for a week thank u!!
Exactly! And honestly there's no way I would watch this show if, like, 1 in 3 of the boys weren't queer! The LGBT boys are carrying the show, and honestly they deserve recognition. We'll see what lineup MNET chooses at the end, but this could end up being the gayest boy group ever, and I for one hope for and welcome that possibility! I'd love a group composed half (or more, even) of queer or at least queer presenting members. When y'all point out which contestants are a lil fruity, it helps me understand who I ought to be rooting for. I want more artists like Sunoo of Enhyphen and Jimin of BTS in KPop, not fewer. The critics are missing the point. Queer representation is a good thing, and we have nothing but positivity and support for these trainees. They're all so talented.
@@zackwilson8701 And I think falling into the argument of "if it looks gay it won't do numbers"... the people who are hiding behind this as having "good intention" are just embracing the homophobic consensus and the same rhetoric that we have been sticking by for way too long. And be real, when things are called explicitly queer like by lowkey gay-ignoring powerhouses like disney, it is not like we see actual authentic queer people, and they are literally there for less than a glimpse. By embracing possibilities of "authentic" queer representation and being able to call it queer even if it isn't, we are actively fighting the negative connotation of the words "gay" and "queer". The chance of something being gay Among Many Other Things is valuable because it makes queerness something positively connotated in a world where it is kind of ontologically not a thing. This is not something that we are doing with "just kpop" and "just boysplanet", this is an ongoing, active change of rhetoric!! that's why it matters. Something perhaps being gay does not suddenly emasculate someone or take aways their worth. And if people thing like that, then that's a thinking pattern we have to dig into because it is based on a reality that stupid little humans made up by themselves.
And in the same vein of embracing potentially gay things also check out my friend tyler's explicitly queer boygroup who call themselves "The First & Only All QBIPOC Pop Group" instagram.com/boibndofficial/ xoxo
Hi Star Creators! This is Adam commenting - here to say a couple things. First, I promise to show more charms and hard work for my next stage! ❤🌈
Ok but really re: my rant lmao
So many comments have come in and I'm so filled with emotion reading about how BP has helped you feel seen, especially those of you who identify under the queer umbrella. I really wasn't going into the recording anticipating saying any of that, in fact I had decided it was best to ignore the ignorants, but something sparked me and after seeing your reactions makes me feel a lot better haha.
When I first got into KPop, through BTS specifically, I felt like I had never felt seen before. My brain broke as a guy who's more feminine having grown up in the post 9/11 masculine America where people had to create a new term for men who wore a belt with their jeans (shoutout to the metrosexual community). Navigating every day as a gay person isn't new and definitely much easier now in America than it was even 10 years ago, but it's still exhausting. I'm so happy so many of us find comfort in this art form and this show especially (I can't believe i'm praising MNET; the end is near) I've grown to love so many of these trainees and seeing so many people outpour love to them not in spite of their proximity to queerness but because of it... it makes me feel like if I had this when I was 16 and figuring out who i was that i would be able to point to people and say "look, that's me" which would have been huge.
All this to say, I see you, I hear you, and you're completely and utterly valid in whatever you identify as. RJ and our co-founder Ryno created this channel in order to be a place for fandom to exist without toxicity and I'm so warmed to see we've carried that over to the kpop community (which, like any fandom, has its own share of issues). But thank you all, and keep being queer. Love y'all.
I'm watching this Ted talk right now and you're 100% correct. Gay people exist. We're here and have been forever. If we see queerness in another we celebrate that. We can celebrate the queerness that as you said so many of the boys on BP have been shown. Does not matter if they are or are not gay. They're showing us queerness and as you literally just said on "a queer narrative".
Love you💜💜
BoysPlanet is LITERALLY slowly turning into RuPaul's Drag Race and I'm living. The producers really said this week's mini challenge is a theatre challenge, where you have to sing and act in pairs to this scene from a musical. Between the mini and maxi challenges, Hanbin and Hao are really slaying the competition honey. They're serving us versatility and different concepts every week and I'm living. I'm so nervous for the eliminations next week.
Honestly, it's a better version of drag race at this point. 🎉
There's actually a clip going around on twt of Woonggi saying he doesn't mind if people speculate about his sexuality and that it's normal to be curious. Someone needs to show your haters that haha
I mean woonggis predebut q&a things speak for itself he literally said “if you dont love lgbtq+ people i dont love you” when someone said something abt it. and theres a whole lot more!
@@wooshyu oh my gosh he said that
Remember when Adam thought Park Hanbin was straight, RJ thought he was bi, I thought he was a top, and we were all wrong.
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
Omg this
LMFAO
He's on top of my heart with Ricky. Stopping on it with their young and tall, rich and handsome awesomeness.
Was not expecting queer discourse but I'm here for it, another great episode!
I 100% followed for the queer discourse and i am THRILLED
as a closeted bi person who can’t come out due to the culture and family I come from, and who has felt seen while watching both bp and this podcast, I thank you so much for your words 🥹 it’s really hard when I can’t explain to my friends in real life why this show and these boys mean so much to me. This is my little safe space on the internet to parasocialize with people who get it.
P.S. thank you all for introducing me to Korean BLs too. It’s a beautiful new addiction 😅
First of all I’m really proud how u live ur life even when society near u doesn’t accept for who you are .. keep thriving keep going one day you will definitely find ur peace ! It’s not easy but that doesn’t mean it’s over
@@kpopislifeline4445 🥹 thank you
Thank you for sharing your story with us❤❤❤❤❤❤❤😊
Have youseen Haruto's comment under his fan-cam? It's thr best thing ever. Our teams unnies - Seowon and Woonggi, and a husband Zihao. Be for real.
And also, thank you, Adam, for everything that you said. The inherent homophobia of taking offense in assuming sexuality only if the assumption is a queer interpretation, and the erasure and damnation of the queer perspective - is goddamn disgusting and shameful.
Thank you for you wisdom at y'alls grown age
The biggest BL enthusiast living out his own fairy tale BL while at the same time slaying all his stages....how to win at life like Zhang Hao. I think #1 might actually be a possibility for this round, ever since his Over Me live photos and fancams leaked all over the socials to all the vids of him with the Yuehuaz on Ollie's birthday, I think he gained a lot of fans, especially in Korea.
Kuanjui's older sister is openly gay so we'll always have that WIN. if you want to cry (and haven't seen it yet) his family and fans made a video for him where the fans sent in their messages and his family reenacted the butterfly performance, AND there's a video of him reacting to it that made me tear up ;-;
where can I watch the video?🥹
In the words of Vivacious…Mother Jokwon has ARRIVED!!!
MVTHA!!!!
for me, just seeing the contestants be proud to engage in queer culture, regardless of whatever their sexuality may be, is so SO impactful. the way they’re not afraid or ashamed to do things that might be seen as “stereotypically gay” is so refreshing as someone who grew up sapphic in a suburb where being gay was treated as the worst thing you could be. i think it’s wrong to act like queer viewers are doing something morally bad by identifying with contestants that are actively engaging in our culture (i.e. jiwoong bl, hanbin voguing, woonggi’s everything, etc.), ESPECIALLY when we’ve been historically deprived of positive representation.
also, a lot of the girlypop contestants are not only in on the joke, but they’re actively ENCOURAGING it (hanbin’s “haobin” comment, woonggi joking that he thought this was “girls planet,” haruto calling zihao his husband, jiwoong saying the jongwoo kiss was fun, i can go on). queerness isn’t something bad or something to be hidden, and clearly the boys think so too.
TLDR: it’s an indisputable fact that this show highlights many aspects of queer culture, and queer people are allowed to celebrate that.
Yes! Finally, I feel so seen, you are me! I have the same background, and you just put words to all of my feelings. It doesn't actually matter who they do or don't want to sleep with, they are engaging in queer culture at large. And that is so wonderful!
Honestly thank you for the gay conversation because too many times within the kpop community, people love to dabble in queer culture in kpop but the moment insinuates someone is gay it becomes this huge issue. I want to be like everyone else who can imagine and pretend without having to be labeled as a weirdo. That’s why appreciate you guys because you say what I think and we need more of y’all in kpop in general
Also I was shaking in my seat trying not to cry and throw up when Zhang Hao put a blanket over Hanbin when he was passed out. They’re saurrrr tender 🥹💕
The queer discourse YAAAAS! I just wanna say thank you for that speech - I feel so seen. I also was watching this with my straight roomie (I'm bisexual) and this helped her a lot to understand me better!!!
pssst… you get a shoutout in our next fantasy boys ep
@@TheAmpliverse SCREAMING CRYING THROWING UP WAT 🫨
It was so frustrating how they did not show how zhanghao shared his solo killing part (some people even dared call him selfish) with his team or how zhanghao and jui worked on the choreo when they literally was credited.
My favourite thing atm is Haruto's comments under his fancams. For example the supercharger one where half of it is a love letter to Zihao 🤣🤣
kuanjui and zhanghao gave me queer goodness and i ATE EVERYSINGLE SECOND OF IT....if kuanjui gets eliminated idk what ill do with msyelf
also seeing matthew do so well on stage after the..journey...that has been bptwt this past week was so refreshing i love him so much ugh
Matthew’s stage presence is insane. His details is why I keep rewatching SMN and his fan-cam. I love one of the mentors mentioning ‘His smile is your weapon!’
PARK HANBIN is the moment!! ❤ We got so much content from him this week including the interview video that he led around camp. He is so talented and is insane that he hasn’t been in the top 9. Overall after much consideration he is going to be my one pick. He simply must debut.
Regarding the obvious queer content the show has, I want to say that this group has so many incredibly brave and unapologetic people. For some of them to be free and not putting a mask or persona, In a society as Korea and within the K-pop world has been so refreshing.
Overall we are seeing a massive switch into being openly yourself. They are making a change in the society. Just Woongki saying he wants to marry Taerae or Haruto calling ZiHao husband, is the most brave, honest and wonderful . They are simply true to themselves instead of living in fear of how to act or what to say ❤
Thank you once again to you two for hosting this show and giving us Queer people a safe space. Literally everything is for straight people, let us have this one thing ❤
So happy to have this episode! We got so much haobin content I was fed well.
Random but thank you guys so much for pumping out the content. It’s horrible here in Quebec, I’ve been out to electricity for the pass 4 days now due to an ice storm. Having this recap gives me some light in this dark cold house of mine lol
Alors! Mon Dieu!
Hope you're staying safe!!
To all the Zhang Hao fans, please only focus on him because he is NOT safe. Remember, he is chinese and knetz with focus on koreans + he was a filler vote for a lot of fandoms. We need more 1-pick power. Its getting scary for him
These comments are so fun to read long after the show has ended. Y'all did that
someone on twt found that apparently kuanjui got evil edited by looking at hao's hair pins. that's why the drama felt so weird, because several of the scenes weren't even related to one another. it's so upsetting how much they have hidden kuanjui throughout the whole show, especially this episode when he had so many chances to get good screen time and every single instance got cut. (i am personally very bitter we didn't get the jui x taerae theatre scene because i just know jui ate it up.) i'm really hoping he somehow pulls through this round as he way too talented to lose, but chances are looking bleak 😞
Some of my personal favorite moments of the episode that nobody asked for:
- The amount of wholesome Haobin content in the beginning of the episode was just so precious. Like when they were choosing partners for the little prince and Hanbin wasted no time to choose Zhang Hao as is partner🥲 and the clip of Hao sort of taking care of Hanbin when he was asleep and making by sure he was covered up like ugh Haobin best boys if they don’t debut together I’m going to Amazon Prime a personal whoop ass to Miss Mnet herself idc
- Shuaibo’s hair extensions was giving the same energy as Taemin’s extensions in Sherlock. Take what you want from that comment
- I’m so glad that Matthew was able to be comfortable with his part in the Say My Name. Like he looked like he was about to cry when they were practicing I felt absolutely horrible. But I am glad that him be Seungeon did end up changing parts because I do feel like they both thrived with the lines they ended up getting.
- Also it was so refreshing to see Jiwoong pull of this concept. Like so far we’ve only seen this sexy masculine “tough” side of him and seeing him do this sort of concept shows how talented he is. He was giving the same vibe of that high school senior that all of the underclassmen have a crush on and/or want to be friends with
- For Over Me I have four words: Zhang Hao best leader. And I agree with RJ I wish they showed more individual/personal coaching from the coaches like what they showed w Hao and Solji.
- As someone who’s been voting for Haruto every single week since ep1 it almost made me legit cry seeing him finally get the attention he deserves and get the most amount of individual votes from the live audience (obviously he and Hao tied for the most amount of votes but still). Like he deserves the actual and I’m so proud of him for getting his moment to shine and be recognized for his talents like homeboy is the definition of all rounder
- Also Kuan Jui’s pterodactyl screech when Over Me won made my CRY laughing
I am soooo excited to hear y’all talk about the musical theatre segment and how some specific trainees were gagged when they brought out jo kwon
the other teams was praising Jay and when Jay was last all of them were shocked because Jay carried the team with his vocal so him being last is honest a huge slap in the face like if you saw some of the teams reaction of the performance they kept praising Jay nonstop
I'm sorry but there's NO WAY somebody that has watched all 10 episodes of boys planet can look at me in the eyes and strongly & confidently tell me Sung Hanbin is not at least A LITTLE queer coded, like there's no way, i just can't not see the queer coding - a young teenage queer person
also his all predebut dance material !!! it's all very obvious only that hets cannot read in between the lines lol
I honestly didn't think Jay's (or anyone in over me) score would be that low. His score was half of what Zhang Hao got?! I would have been pissed if any of the Over Me team got that low of a score. Then, Jay's speech in his interview 🥺
I feel like mnet has seen all the Mattwoong edits and said sure let's roll with this. They were definitely the pair I didn't expect, but I'm definitely hooked now. Everyone knows how strong Mattbin's relationship is... plus, I feel like they're trying not to angel edit Shanbin too much. I feel like they over killed it with Dayeon, and they didn't want to make the same mistake.
That Hiyyih comment. It's so true, but also 💀
It’s a JOKE that queer people STILL have to explain this stuff to straight people… thank you Adam for doing this. People needed to hear this and have a reality check.
If anyone still doesn’t understand what the whole point of this was.
Just look up videos on queer community, queer-representation, queer-codes. Educate yourself individually.
As a community, when we find anything WE personally relate to or see as “queer”. We do NOT mean it as an insult. I think the biggest problem straight people have (esp the younger ones), with understanding is. That saying “something or someone is gay”. It is NOT an insult. Because straight people have USED “your gay” as an insult for centuries. If a gay/queer person uses “your gay”, it is NOT AN INSULT. It is just USSSS a COMMUNITY relating.
For us. An oppressed community of CENTURIES!!! To finally be able to be open with the world, exposed, vulnerable. To finally have mediums to speak to each other and relate through queer codes through art, music, celebrities, fashion etc. it is a big thing for us.
Not everyone is able to have a queer community irl. Let me get personal. I as a person, irl do NOT have a singular friend whom I know in person, who is queer, who I can relate to, talk to, feel supported around. So I have to outsource connections online to find “people like me”. Then have to also find queer people with the SAME INTERESTS AS ME? It’s like digging for a needle in a hay stack. Literally… it’s not easy.
you are so real and loved mwah
I need them to upload a yt video with a longer cut of all the musical performances bc what did ricky and ollie do to get 0 stars 💀
NO SAME
Ollie is a child actor so what happened😭
And also they put Haruto and Matthew in the preview, but cut it out from the actual episode. Like, I've seen Haruto unzipping Matthew's shirt, please, show it. Damn it, mnet!
I loved the small rant about the comments you are getting because it's so true! Not only does content doesn't have to be openly stated as queer to be interpreted as queer but they also don't always owe it to us. Korean society being what it is, these queer coded moments are already so precious ❤️
EDIT: also those negative comments give me "people screaming queer baiting" vibes and they are not it
honestly, thank you so much for speaking on queer experiences and how that affects the way we see and interact with the world. it may just be me, but as an army and avid watcher of boys planet, i feel like ive seen A Lot of people coming for queer people and our interpretations of the art and scenarios we're being presented, from people flaming queer readings of jimins newest album to people coming for anyone who insinuates a bp boy may be queer.
it feels so disheartening to me that anytime we try to speak about how we relate to our fave artists as queer people, we're met with thinly-veiled queerphobia that the larger public never has a problem with bc its in the name of ""not making assumptions.""" but like you said, gay people are still gay in the closet--and nobody is ever *required* to come out to still be queer.
also, it also pisses me off bc in some cases it feels like people are straight-up ignoring things these boys have said or done in the past in an effort to cover up any insinuations of queerness. like, woonggi openly supports lgbtq+ rights, and has said before that he doesnt feel like being asked if he likes boys is a rude question. so it just feels wrong that people try *so hard* to shut any discussions of queerness down, as if its something shameful.
idk, this comment is way longer than it needed to be lol, but thank you again for saying what needed to be said!! ❤
My heart was so full seeing Woonggi scream over Jokwon showing up 🥺 and yes, Adam, yes, completely agree.
Hey guys - i don't know if you'll even see my comment but i just want to let you know that i just binged every episode of your podcast and it makes me feel like i'm hanging out with my friends.. you guys are so great. as a fellow BL fan, K-pop veteran, Drag Race stan and BFA kid i appreciate all of your references - don't worry i see you. Please don't censor yourselves.I really love to see experienced queer people share their stories and insights. I don't know much about Korean culture, but i know being gay there is very taboo. I'm sure many of the trainees would be grateful to know that you see them and love them just as they are even if they can't talk about it. I think it was really incredible to see Key and especially Jo Kwon visit the trainees. Something about him walking in with heels and singing "And You Don't Even Know It" which is literally a song about a teenager who dreams of being a drag queen. I mean.... come on. And Woongi saying he wanted to try the heels on..... lol. Anyway i just wanted to let ya'll know i love your podcast so much. I look forward to it every week after the show.
PS. How could you guys just gloss over Haruto's MARRIAGE to Wang Zi Hao???
i call flower girl
I understand why Jay got the lowest score in Over Me but he didn’t deserve it. His vocals and adlibs made the song be as great as it is…
More than his coming last it was the audience treating him badly that really hurt. And people pointed out he was probably so worried his score would cause over me team to loose😔
getting lowest doesn't mean getting no cheer and getting lower score than Takuto LOL
this is literally the highlight of my day already, posting time can NOT come soon enough
I could watch yall talk about this show for literal hours you've made my spring break actually fun omg truly yall are the reason I started watching boys planet and its become my latest obsession I love it so much and as an acting BFA owner myself I love all the tie ins yall include it makes it so so fun LMAO thank yall for doing this!!!!
Meanwhile Haruto just declared in his fancam comments that he and Zihao are married, the fandom followed and also married each other and are flirting on twitter.
this is the best thing ever
no bcs thank you for that rant. Boys planet is supposed to be fun for EVERYONE and also for queer people;. If we wanna see queerness we are allowed. The queer people before us have fought for our freedom to be able to express ourselves and to be open about who we are or not. I really really love this podcast bcs you guys's words totally match how i'm watching boys planet as a queer person. it's fun, it's light it's quirky and it's gay bcs we are!!
the queer discourse was NECESSARY! i need “BECAUSE I’M GAY” as a bumper sticker, on a dad hat, as an enameled pin, stitched on a sampler, etc.
I really, really, really appreciated what Adam had to say about seeking and seeing queerness in media, and specifically that *YOU DO NOT HAVE TO COME OUT* TO BE "REALLY" GAY. We can just EXIST, in public, in private, at our jobs, on TV, as queer people, without having to owe anyone *ANY explanation* or any confirmation of other people think they are. Queer people do not solely exist when we are explicitly out to the general public! We are always here, just trying to do our thing and pursue authenticity, happiness, peace, and fulfillment while having to exist in a cisheternormative world that is more often than not deeply invested in keeping us in the margins (which is especially why we LOVE to see our people succeeding in the media -- no coming out necessary). There is nothing ~problematic~ about seeing and discussing people who we relate to and whose personalities, experiences, talent, etc vibe with our lives and community. And as Adam said, especially when we are talking about young artists in the freaking entertainment industry. Their whole thing is to be expressive and unique. I don't know what's queerer than that smh.
If your problem with this is on the supposed basis of some kind of "invasion of privacy" or "assumptions about their personal lives"..um, that energy must be applied to this entire concept of survival reality television. That's not a sexuality/identity thing. We are literally stanning men who we acknowledge are constantly being manipulated through deceptive editing and manufactured pressure and competition, and who are being exploited for their idol ambitions. That's the general cutthroat fuckery of hyper-capitalist entertainment. *The gays are not the problem.*
Hi guys! just commenting to say, please don't let haters(ignorant people) influence the way you express about the guys in boys planet, i really love your videos because is refreshing to see your queer perspective. As a bi woman I'm frequently searching for queer content/subtext in korean media and your recaps of my currently favorite show is so fun. Pleaseee don't stop making comments or implications of queerness because 'people' only see a problem when you imply someone is under the queer umbrella. I'm happy Boys planet made me found your channel so please don't change the essence. Ly guys
we definitely won’t! this is honestly just how rj and i talk about the show, we still can’t believe people want to hear this nonsense lmao
thank you so so much for that speech. it's so true. i have to ask if you expected going into this that there would be so much diverse queer rep because it's truly amazing to me, it feels so so joyful to me that mnet, a lot of the fandom and it seems the majority of the contestants are celebrating queer culture either through their actions and engagement w etc queer dance culture or comments that go outside of traditional masculinity, or through the editing. regardless of if it’s for ‘clicks’ or if the contestants actually are gay it genuinely feels like a treat that this space of comfort can be found in a mnet survival show of all places. i never expected it and i’m having such a good time/ am so happy that it seems like ppl that are queer on the show can feel safe in queer expression
Omg I'm so shocked y'all didn't mention Haruto's comment on his fancam OR Park Hanbin's beret in that random extra video they dropped. But tbh there's so much to cover each week... I understand forgetting things LOL
The whole rant about queer people viewing things through an inherently queer lens was so great. Tbh I love blbp cuz you always point out things I was thinking about but didn't wanna say online since I feel like random people will yell at me for it 🫶 so yay ty. I get to sit in my room and be delusional while listening to y'all. it's so great.
Oh speaking of being delusional? The clip from the dorms when Park Hanbin was asking Keita why he didn't try for the larger rap part? They really just gave us 2 seconds of shirtless phanbin and expected me to survive? I didn't. I gasped when they showed that in the episode. The chemistry in my brain changed. I'm a different (gayer) man now (I didn't know that was possible)
literally so much happened but the phanbin content with his back and his little skinny waist was too much for my brain. you could say hes taken my heart phantom thieves style 🤭
@@TheAmpliverse I was about to be like "omg how did you know this p5 joke would work on me 🤨" before I remembered my name 😭
I'm pretty sure I heard y'all screaming all the way over here in Toronto during this episode. So many epic moments. ❤
adam thank you, THANK YOU !! for your lil rant cause it's everything that i've been thinking and feeling since the show started. as a gay transman i just never ever ever see myself in any media so just seeing a wide range of masculinities and that all of them are okay really means a lot to me
Regardless of performance or the team etc. Over Me was my favorite song sonically. I will be playing it on repeat for eternity
Agreed! The production of the recorded song is amazingly good❤
I really like what you said about implying that an idol is gay, Seeing a bunch of people reacting the way that those one or two comments did but having thousand of posts daily going : Their girlfriend would be so lucky, or making edits of what their type of girl might be and you never see anybody getting upset that these people assumed they were straight just say it all. Anyway, in another dimension I would debut a girly pop group with woongi, seowon, phanbin, haruto, zhanghao and company and they would elevate bg music. Ang GO PARK HANBIN (always mention the number 1 pick)
Jo kwon coming out singing everybody's talking about Jamie made me tear up as a biritsh queer person, I remember watching him doing the korean version on TH-cam some years ago and so for it to merge with boys planet🥹🥹 especially with the whole "being yourself " sentiment some trainees have had and that being exactly what that musical is about. It was very important to me
I wasn't planning on watching the show and i'm following it now because of you two. Having a space that acknowledges queer perception in kpop, whether it's the participants/producers intention or not, is so good. I cackle at the drag race references because they are so on point. And Adam is right, there's nothing wrong with using our lived experience to analyse media. It's how we learned to see the world and spot each other in (sometimes unsafe) crowds.
need keita to make it in this group so badly, like i might explode imagining him not in this lineup
as a lesbian, i really appreciated what you and to say! queerness always feels to need to be hidden so whenever you see it it feels like a shining light, like things are getting better. the whole reason i watched this show bc i saw how queer it was. if makes me happy to see queerness in a happy light. i feel seen, i feel like maybe things are getting better. i really appreciated what you said.
whenever queer people find queerness in anything (those) straights always try to make us feel bad for finding ourselves in things. (even though they go and make everything straight) it unfortunately is just how we are conditioned in this messed up society. (🤡) so thank you for speaking your truth, THE truth. and i hope they hear this and finally at least TRY to understand and emphasize.
i am SO tired of (those) straight people saying that queers are being OBNOXIOUS abt queerness. we aren’t we are finally just able to talk about it 🫠
love you both great show as always!
and once again as a lesbian, ricky has me SIMPING, so hell yea he did great lol
also i agree i love pou, he seems so sweet and awkward, i want him to be my friend lol
thank you again! sorry for the long comment
Oh my goooood the queer rant 😭👏 I'm so glad you guys talked about this bc it's something that bothers me so bad in kpop fandom especially. As a queer person myself, it's so incredibly exciting and validating to see idols exhibit queer traits. Obviously well-intentioned queer kpop fans aren't trying to speak for these idols and assign them a label!! But it's so common, when someone talks about an idol being queer or showing hints of queerness, for people to try to make it seem like a problematic assumption and/or fetishization. Queer people exist all over the world, in all cultures, regardless of whether or not they're able to be explicitly open about it. Literally the reason why queer people are able to identify certain traits is because we have common lived experiences, but obviously non-queer people wouldn't understand our perspective :/ it's soooo frustrating. Thank you for articulating it so well!! ❤
Really glad they showed Jiwoong comforting Matthew. He's honestly such a nice person with the biggest heart. Mnet is definitely making Matthew the main character with how much focus was on him this episode, and I know people singled him out for his performance in Say My Name, but Jiwoong once again stole my attention with how mature and caring he is. It makes me so sad that people see him only as a pretty face. It makes me even sadder to see all the homophobic comments he gets. Someone literally even said they hope he's getting SA'd?? How can people be so cruel. Especially knowing what happened with ATEEN.
Also, people use the term "queerbating" so losely these days. Like, they really were accusing Jiwoong of queerbating for being in a BL drama as if we all didn't know the complications of BL dramas in Asian countries.
So please, consider giving your vote to Jiwoong. He's the biggest sweetheart who doesn't deserve to get hate. Don't let the homophobes win.
fun fact: they used to ask which of the performances do you like the best. in most (if not all) of the original produce seasons, they had everyone vote in boxes for a single performance after everything was said and done. which i agree is the better way to go about it.
hanbin is in love with zhanghao, haruto is in love with zihao, woonggi is in love with jeonghyeop, gyuvin is in love with yujin. takuto is in love with gunwook. They are all gay, unless they come out specifically that they are straight, they are gay. Idk why people mask they're homophobia with their own personal logic. Oh actually i know why, they feel more comfortable in a world where everyone is straight because it helps to stabilize a global patriarchy that envelops the world we live in today.
I think for Matthew it was mostly that they first all agreed he could do that part and then an hour before that evaluation they changed it so where it took 3 weeks for us for them all of this happened in an afternoon so he was still upset since it had just happened. Once he knew he could do it and do it well he was all in still so I don't think it was him not wanting to participate
also with jo kwon's entrance at the beggining... we saw who reacted and who didn't 🤷
In the words of our lord and saviour Keita: "Jay hard carried" (the entire over-me team did amazing!!)
the way me and Adam have the exact same definition of an ideal group concept !!! all bright and bubbly i want that in my stan list asapp
I didn't know Woonggi and Nice had a little podcast about boys planet
Please consider voting for Jongwoo! I feel like Mnet doesn't really include him in his edits anymore, but he has really lot to offer to the group!
I watch your commentary BECAUSE you view Boys Planet through gay eyes. It makes it that much more interesting. Also, if the "unnies" as Haruto called them, if the unnies on the Supercharger team that were booted off of the Say My Name team (plus Haruto), if Mnet would decide to upload a performance, even like, you know, the dance-off in an earlier ep.... if Mnet would decide to upload a performance of Say My Name with the unnies in it.....imagine that!
Seconded
6:01 J-Hope also featured in one of Jo Kwon's performances as a trainee!! Another bighit connection is that Hitman Bang PD was the person who gifted Jo Kwon his first pair of heels 😢
You hit the nail on the head with your speech. You said everything I've been unable to say and so eloquently as well and I just feel so seen. I didn't think this recap was going to make me cry but! Here we are haha Just feels really nice to be able to watch this show and experience it alongside you guys and know that I'm not the only one excited to essentially see queer rep on a show I really love :')
Awwwww i love you guys sooo much. I cried a lot in this ep esp when you picked park hanbin as your number 1. Thank you guys so much! I’ve always been waiting for your reactions and inputs every episode 💙
One of you best episodes yet, with boys planet itself, your show is one of the things I look forward to most during the week. 👍👍
i loved jongwoo’s interactions with fans. he’s so genuine and loving towards them.
Yeeessss, Seo Won finally in your Bep1er! Makes me very happy!!! Adams Bep1er is perfect 😍
I was actually so mad, that Mnet didn't show Park Han Bin / Seo Won and Haruto / Matthew doing their musical test?! I was so excited when I saw them as teams. 😯 RELEASE THE FOOTAGE MNET!!
And y'all not talking about the "honey" incident?
For real, they even showed Haruto and Matthew in the preview of the last episode. I saw that "do you want to train me?" with the shirt unzipping thing and was like: guuuurl. Haruto, the man you are today. Was on the edge of my seat the whole week for this and they gave me nothing (except for Haruto dragging Matthew by the scarf, it was tasty, not gonna lie). But why, mnet, oh why? Show me my babygirls please. I know PHanbin did great too, I just need to SEE it, damn
you guys always make me laugh and smile when my week has been terrible (like this week), thank you so much!!
ive been looking forward to this one since the minute i finished the episode on thursday,,, did NOT disappoint!! screw the people who come at yall for speaking your truth. peace love boys love boys planet
AND OUR* TRUTH!! such strong voices for the lgbtq+ community love yall sm
You’re icons for putting Park Hanbin first😌 he deserves everything❤️
Kamden FINALLY in your Bepler Line Up ❤😢 Honestly, the boy's rapping skills are killer and he's a damn good dancer! 🔥 But he barely gets any screentime 🥺 I think the reason knetz are finally noticing him is apart from his insane rapping & dancing, he's just a very cute, kinda introverted person and as a fellow introvert, I am all for it! We need different types of idols in the kpop scene these days.. and Na Kamden is 100% genuine! 🤭😋
Adam's lineup is my ideal line up. It has all the standout girly pops. This group is the one I'd see performing on the bathhouse circuit.
Living for the queer rep on BP 💅🏻 they get more comfy through the weeks their inner selfs are shining through more. I live for PHanbins top tiers burns 🔥 how I thought he was 100% straight to start I too was a 🤡
You both really have good eyes!! Appreciating and seeing what Park Hanbin can really do and serve 💙
The thing about BP, even if none of them are actually gay, is that they are actively partaking in queer activities. Shanbin specializes in waacking, which originated in gay clubs back in the 70s, Cong has old videos of him dancing in heels, Zhanghao is openly heterophobic (lol), and Jiwoong has literally made out with another man on television, to name only a few things. So I feel like when people are talking about how queer BP is, it's less about the contestants sexualities' and more about what they are doing.
As a queer person, I usually get uncomfortable when people label and insist upon an idol's apparent queerness, cus I have found that it's usually based on harmful homophobic stereotypes, and straight people take it is an opportunity to fetishize us. But I don't feel that applies to this, because again, the boys are directly taking part in queer or queer-adjacent activities. It's not about stereotypes or fetishization of queer people, but about boys who are comfortable with expressing themselves in whatever way, and not being afraid to partake in things that might be considered "gay".
It's comforting, because it's an indirect way to show that there is no reason to fear being labeled as gay or queer, because there is nothing wrong with being queer. So again, I feel it's less about their sexualities' and more about them doing and supporting things that are traditionally queer.
Yes! This. All of this.
OBSESSED with this episode! I was clapping during Adam’s whole rant. I complete agree and relate. Always enjoy your back and forth. Sad this is almost over. Love y’all!
Korea loves The Little Prince! It's so strange, you see little prince stuff EVERYWHERE here.
adaaaaam more reasons why we have to visit 🥹🥹🥹
when u brought up zhang hao/chen kuan jui pas de deux i immediately started thinking about the taeyong/ten nct subunit and now i need to see them doing a dance cover of baby dont stop
I reallyyyy wanted to see Seowon and PHanbin musical performance, also I love the Haruto Zihao combination! Haruto's comments in his fancam are always so funny, he's an icon
people always have an issue with us assuming gay but everyone assumes everyone as straight and no one bats an eyelash, why cant we queer people have idols
My theory with the hanbin Matthew resolution happened off camera, like during the van ride or something because Hanbin wanted Matthew to have that moment not for the camera. But that’s all just a theory. All I know is that boy is smart and he seems to truest care about Matthew so I could see that happening.
i’m sure they resolved it, just was surprised mnet didn’t choose to use their resolution but i was happy to see a very nice moment with jiwoong
over me team really was lesbian power couple kuanhao, their two fruity sons jay and ricky (im sorry if ur too blind to see the vision, but we all saw the face jay made when jongwoo walked out in the princess wig... he was WHIPPED), and their straight friend jeonghyeon from school over for a playdate
I think I like your recaps more than the BP episodes 😂 Thank you, I laughed so hard watching this.
I'm just dying to see this episode and miss Woong Ki is the reason 😂😂😂
the way my jaw dropped when jo kwon walked in
Thank you RJ for not separating Kamjay 🙏🏽 the straight besties must debut!!
Ok here is my essay for you guys (you see the longer this series goes on the more I say in your comment section 😶.
1) I think Matthew’s thing was slightlyyy different from Shaui bo’s just cause matthew never fully “gave up”. If shauibo was just depressed but still fully trying it would be one thing but he fully was just like “I don’t see the point in trying”. If Matthew didn’t even try I would’ve been hella disappointed as an “i love you I want you Seok Matthew” stan.
2) Adam I know you said you felt stupid with what you were saying about the queerness of boys planet but as a fellow queer I truly thank you and don’t think you sounded stupid at all. It’s like knowing that plants make oxygen vs having a scientist explain exactly how. Yes I knew that not all gay people are the same but still how you analyzed it was very informative and I enjoyed it so thank you sm 🫶🏾🫶🏾.
3) RJ Yes I know Ouran Host Club! and I know EXACTLYYY what ur talking about (coming from the person who did a whole vogue performance TWICE cosplaying as an Ouran character)
Matthew ate up Say My Name. Everyone did great but my eyes kept going to him during the performance.
Would you guys be up for doing a video talking about the trainees' reactions to the performances that Mnet released? It was so much fun and we got some great content. Legend says Haruto's hand has still not left Zihao's thigh 😅
love everything said in this episode so much 😭😭 ESPECIALLY EN GARDE SUPREMACYYYY ugh they seriously look like an already debuted group already I am obsessed
I'll join everyone else in saying that the rant was great. Also, Adam's Bepler... I'm ready, let's sign the contracts.
Commenting for the first time and very late, but I wanted to say I am happy that you are defending the queer joy offered by boys planet !
Loved this episode, and loved the Boys Planet episode.
I enjoyed it but my biggest gripe was how they did JAY dirty with the performance editing, and it was so easy to notice because it's the one time they purposely changed their edit style to not focus on the one belting the high note. It's too overt.
Still voting for my gurl Haruto. Might have to alternate my one vote picks with Jay but I don't know if I can risk it.
cutting away from jay was so egregious i was like HUHHHHH
These rants are more entertaining than Boy planets episodes, love your content so much
I loved this episode!! I see so many people hating on Switch, but I actually really liked it lol (switch stan). Also, as a queer K-pop fan, I tend to seek out people who are like me in the groups because it brings me comfort, as well as happiness for them for being themselves to the best they can in that industry. Your speech made me really emotional, so I wanted to thank you for speaking about this.
i just wanted to say that ur bp recap videos are my favs because as a queer person i feel this is a safe place and we can talk about contestants being queer without ppl telling us that "not everything is gay", i get so mad when you guys get that comments on tiktok
you REALLY are a safe place for bp queer fans 🫶🌈
I really enjoyed the whole discussion of queer discourse. I really agree with everything you guys said, ive always found the kpop fandom is really negative towards ppl discussing idols being potentially queer.