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I think Kamen is able to do this because the Helluva Boss fanbase hasn't reached the levels of toxic and cancerous that the FNAF, Undertale, Steven Universe, etc fanbases are (at least not yet).
@@lechocolat3783 Plus, because the show is set in Hell about people making a living killing any human, including a child in the pilot, Blitz is occupying that same headspace as characters like Chucky from Child’s play during Bride and Seed of Chucky; delightfully charismatic and compelling but still doing all manner of twisted things. It’s a very thin line at times but, because Blitz can often be the cause of the problems and, unlike Steven Universe, there’s no sugarcoating, it’s currently less likely to be toxic because people are more open to saying “wow, these guys are assholes”.
Tbh the only time I get dogpiled for Helluva Boss is when I say Stolas and Blitz shouldn’t be a couple because of the extremely toxic and manipulative nature of their relationship
@@riotkitty I get that. Honestly, I’m in the mind that, whilst it does have rotten elements, their relationship can have a detox if they put effort into becoming better people and learning from their faults
@@riotkitty the only problem with their relationship is that there is no full communication and having boundaries set (AKA the key to a good relationship). Neither of them have done so yet but if they do, that toxic and manipulative nature can be unearthed, reflected on, worked out and actually become a fully prosperous, full-filling relationship
If they get together, Spindlehorse confirms an abusive relationship. If they do not get together, them the fandom will revolt. It is a loose loose situation.
Its so hypocritical too. Like I hear the fandom/actual show whining this and that about how Stella is the most domestic abuser to ever domestically abuse, (because she said mean things to her friends omg) and we're supposed to hate her. Yet what Stolas and Blitz have, Stolas coercing Blitz into sex every month otherwise Blitz, his daughter, and his coworkers may go destitute is supposed to be seen by the audience perfectly healthy and based and wholesome? Because ackshually Stolas is a victim the whole time so what he's doing to Blitz and holding his power to keep his job over him is le wholesome gay rep? I dunno about you, but this reeks of fujoshi double standards. Bastardizing a female character into a major turbo bitch, while excusing the rapey manipulative behavior of teh hawt yaoi guiz. Apparently abuse should only be taken seriously when it gets in the way of mai smexy otp, otherwise who cares lol how dare u criticize my representation homophobe. Its so funny seeing her go all moralistic and try to make us want to cancel Stella and her problematic elitist etc etc behavior but give the rapey Stolas a free pass.
@@The_Practical_Daydreamer Yeah both are using each other for their own gain One is using imp to pleasure himself and the other uses their book to benefit his business but I think later on they are making things work idk how but they will
@@no_0riginality937 Realistically such abuse is about control. You control the other to make yourself comforted. The relationship feeds into the issues without emotional boundaries.
I think the fact that Stolas knows his dad literally bought Blitzo for a day and he still expected to be friends/have a normal relationship kinda points to Stolas genuinely being dense enough not to fully understand their power dynamic. Also, Blitzo didn't seem afraid to tell him he was going to be his biss so maybe he just (stupidly) assumed Blitzo wasn't affected by the power dynamic. I agree that it's a big issue though. I think the fact that Blitzo knows Stolas has feelings for him and doesn't realize their relationship is transactional but still took advantage of it needs to be addressed. He asked Stolas on a date just to use him to get into the club but Stolas clearly thought it was real and that shit was never addressed either. I think Stolas is right to be pissed at Blitzo for using him and his emotional isolation to manipulate him in the moment right after Blitzo told him he didn't give af about him other than when they had transactional intercourse tbf to the writers.
Really well put. Considering the hints of his trashy childhoods, plus the fact he lives in Hell, it could be easy to understand the way Stolas behaves and treats the relationship with Blitzo. A lot of times, people will inherit from family and the society traits that determine the way they ended up acting, at least subconsciously, even if they knew both influences were really bad.
I honestly think Blitzo has a lot more power in the relationship than he himself thinks he does. Like, Stolas was willing to let him keep a POWERFUL magical artifact that belongs to nobility for like most of the year just cause he's in love with Blitzo. That's not a small thing.
@@sarafontanini7051 Still a major issue, because Blitzo himself isn't aware of that. In a realistic portrayal, he'd be terrified that Stolas could turn on him any second, even though we the viewers know he won't.
Vivzie trying SO GODDANM hard to make them both look good by the audience's view, and making them _"childhood friends/crush"_ or _their relationship started as a "that was a misunderstanding",_ and even worse making Stella an owl Amber Heard just to make Stolas the _"less bad of them",_ when she had Every right to be mad at his husband until the flashbacks episode. I feel scammed, if you're going to write a toxic relationship, you need to address all the shit and not try to hide it under "misunderstandings", and "they didn't meet under this toxic environment, they were childhood friends it's ok!", I really don't like it, and I feel relieved I'm not alone. -I was afraid of being called out- Thanks. Oh! and and another thing: when Asmodeus call Stolas's bs out the show makes him an hypocrite because he's dating an imp (relationship that is a bit better because Asmodeus is not drowning an innocent child into his mess and treats Fizz as a friend not an object). Edit for mistakes and this: Bee (aside from her questionable design, which I would like more if the context weren't against it), has this problem for dating a low class demon "she is one the leaders of hell, therefore she can do whatever she wants", Bee complains she wishes she could throw a bigger party but the sloth sin didn't allow it. Asmodeus and Bee can date low class demons but the Goetia can't?
I’d like to add that possibly the reason that could explain why Stolas hid his face in Ozzie’s was not to attract any unwanted attention towards his daughter. Then again he could just be racist or slightly racist, considering he was raised by one.
they have this deal ok they don't have a deal they gay fuck ok they don't gay fuck they ahve a relationship since childhood ok they don't have a relationship stolas is the victim and blitz is the asshole for not wanting it ok stolas is not a victim his wife wants him dead for fucking blitz ok his wife doesn't want him dead for fucking blitz his wife is a bitch ok his wife is not a bitch she was always awful and so on and on
This is why writing story around a joke doesn't always work. The whole thing between them in the bigenning was horny man asks horny favor in exchange of plot conveniant book, it was played for laughs. Now it's way more than that and wife never loved him anyways so it's ok to cheat on her and they where childhood friends and blah blah blah.. It all just sounds like excuses for them to end up together and is all just a bad shipping fanfic
Via has officially 17 years old before it starts to cheating with an imp. I think a lot of the problem is with the assumptions people make on them is from a very short amount of episodes. Like some of us I see Stella swinging at stolas during the argument as something she's done before or threatening her brother has worked before. For me personally the stella's "stolas is terrible in bed. I swear he just lies there staring at the wall" Is borderline S.A to me. She tells him to get up on her daughter's crying there are no pictures of her with Octavia main drawings of her life and one of them's her with her dad there is no Stella anywhere on the wall. And the fact that Octavia is so concerned about her father leaving and not her mother means she'd be okay with her mother leaving, or doesn't think she'd have to in a divorce. I know everyone says Stolas nucked the relationship but since Octavia was a wee outlet she was worried about her father being missing meaning maybe he just decided *blank* this shit I'm out because even if Octavia doesn't think there's anything wrong with her family she still can tell that he's not happy.
@@ALunarLight Those are good points. I think there’s also one other thing. Stolas seems happiest when he’s with Via and he is very miserable with Stella. But, for her, that is normal. Then she sees how he is with Blitz: absurdly try-hard horny and desperate to find a reason to include him. This is an entirely new side to him that, if we’re assuming from his relationship with Stella, was repressed as all heck. There’s a common thing that happens when someone in a relationship comes out later in life; that their then Partner and children may see themselves as part of “the lie”. In this case, whilst it is clear Stolas has genuine affection for his daughter, he had to have her because of family rules and, assuming he didn’t have a consort before Blitz, there may be some really awful doubts in her mind eg how much has her dad been pretending in his life? Did he really want a child or is she only there because he had to? Problem is that we need to see how she behaves with just Stella outside of Stolas both before and after her dad was ridden like a motorbike by the physical embodiment of the Napoleon complex. Honestly, we need more episodes with Oktavia in there to really solidify the issues.
@@denysvision um hi. "Of" Stella I don't think so. "By" maybe I'm sure there's a gray line of consent considering they both wanted an heir so they be done, but what she was saying to her friends to roast him made her look bad. Either he doesn't want to sleep with you because you're trash or he just doesn't want to sleep with you which is S.A ish
@@denysvision also the pictures I am referring to are drawings Octavia made on her wall. Not the portrait. Should you stars and a picture of her and her dad holding hands I didn't see any pictures with her mom.
I'm not gonna lie, Stolas was creeped me out of how thirsty he is/was. And that "Circus" episode does NOT justify his behavior & the backward relationship he has/had with Blitz. "I never talk/looked down on you," says the dirty bird that has been baby-talking to his lover, that same "lover" was clearly uncomfortable with those remarks for a long time.
I got kicked from a general fandom server today for pointing out that Stolas is, canonically, a rapist. Holding a man's ability to do his job over his head is extortion, which invalidates consent, and he did this several times. No, I do NOT feel bad for him, and no, I do not accept that it's "anti" rhetoric (kids who crybully about ships by declaring that every pairing they hate is pedophilia) to point out things that literally happened in canon. Stella is no worse than he is, but still gets the blame because fucking misogyny. ETA: I don't think the slavery part was Stolas' fault though. That was his dad, and Stolas was way too young and sheltered to understand why that part was weird or shitty.
At first I thought this relationship was being played for laughs since the show takes place in hell and no one is innocent here… then season 2 episode 1 happened. Now I have no choice but to look back the actions of these characters as I would in any other show because this episode is telling me that the same rules apply in terms morality.
I think the actual problem with toxic relationships in fiction are the people that defend and insist it isn't toxic. It is always very interesting to explore how horrible a relationship it is, why it shouldn't work, and it's even better when the content itself goes on to be like "these two are actually awful for each other" to really drive in the idea that impressionable people should not want this kind of relationship IRL (glares at every wattpad fic ever). So when people - generally part of the fanbase - try to tell others it isn't actually problematic and that you're just a hater/homophobic/whatever, that creates a needless divide in the fanbase. No longer can you all enjoy the same content, now you have to pick a side and can only discuss it in an echo chamber. I hope one day we can weed out this problem.
Meanwhile I'm over here, having gotten into the series recently because of the memes following Exes and Oohs like "No thank you. Keep that shit as far away from me as possible. I'm here to watch the funny demon people be funny and kill people. I didn't sign up for no military service in the shipping wars."
Tbh, my biggest gripe is that as much as I WANT to be invested in Stolitz, but there’s just not much chemistry established between them. The Circus episode would’ve done more for me if it showed they had things in common, got along really well, changed each others’ lives… anything other than “well for Stolas, Blitzø was his first friend” and “they got along on a surface level because they played together.” Without any of that, there’s just no reason for either of them to hold on, or for me to want them to go through the trouble of working things out. In my mind, both Blitzø and Stolas deserve someone better than each other.
Blitz was definitely not a friend, he didn't care for anything but the stuff in the Palace to steal but Viv really tries to make us see he's a friend, Blitz didnt keep his promise he'd hire Stolas so not a friend.
@@artistanthony1007 i mean, Stolas hasnt asked nor seems to want to be part of IMP? like, yea everything else is right but Blitz hasnt needed to keep that promise from ages ago, why does that matter? if stolas had his house burnt down and lost all of his immense wealth, then yea Blitz can offer or not offer and we can judge him. but stolas has no reason to want that job nor should Blitz have any reason to think he does
@braetekburns8125 well I got bad news. It's just leaks, but if I had to guess what may happen, I think Stolas is going to lose everything he owns and then Blitz, wanting to get back into Stolas's good books, offers him the job to IMP. I've had people tell me S3 would have Stolas fighting with Loona over the secretary role which....if that happens, the show just wants to shoehorn drama
I think one of the reasons Blitzø is such a trashy person is him being in the early stages of his possible redemption. It takes place alongside Hazbin Hotel, and while Alastor has his opinions on the redemption of demons, it doesn't appear that is a set in stone rule of hell. They are all bad people and I think that the relief of being out of the torment of life on Earth is why newcomers are either particularly happy to be in Hell, or fixate on what they left and employ various coping mechanisms, including IMP. Angel Dust is very much still trapped in their old ways and tries to pretend as if he's in control, but anyone who knows someone LIKE Angel knows they aren't quite ready to break out yet. it's harder to say for Stolas, but despite being a keeper of wisdom, he is in fact socially stunted and a bit naive. He's learning the consequences to his actions NOW because before he never had to do r just didn't have the room to fuck up so badly.
I hope the story moves towards either the characters recognizing their relationship is toxic and go their separate ways or trying to turn what they have into something healthy. I'm with you that I was not too fond of how things went in S2 e1. Them being childhood friends, felt as if they were being written to be fated lovers, which I don't like. Also, I didn't particularly appreciate how they portrayed his loveless marriage, but that's due to my personal cannon before his wife tried to slap him. My head cannon was that both parties never wanted to make it work. It also didn't help that from what I could tell the idea of an abusive relationship was not there until the slap, but I could be wrong and had forgotten something from S1. In the end, I hope things turn around for the story cause I was not impressed with how their relationship is going. Great vid, by the way; I appreciate how you go out of your way to give your 2 cents on a topic you know the majority will have issues with.
I largely agree with this comment! I think the only clue we had of Stella being physically abusive in season 1 was just her general demeanor (i.e. constantly angry, throwing imps out of windows, shouting), but even then it's very little.
@@T4llHum4n I mean to be fair she did quite literally send someone to murder Solas and was on that call in front of both her daughter and her husband, although there most definitely wasn’t enough foreshadowing there was some, I think it was genuinely planned from the beginning and just not hinted at enough
What we did know about Stella and Stolas from the start it's that Stella wasn't mad because Stolas cheated, she was mad because he cheated with an Imp, the lowest class of demons. She was worried about their image. That's on S1 ep 2. And my opinion is that i don't really care about Stella being more evil, but i do think it would been more interesting if things were more at Stolas fault.
that won't happen. the only indication of an "abusive" relationship was her trying to slap him. the season 2 premier episode was a massive retconning of established lore to make stolas into a innocent victim who can do no wrong.
I'm SO glad there are people who see this the same way I do. The idea that Stella was always abusive ruins so much of the story arcs of the characters, especially Stolas. When Stolas "couldn't find the words" to explain his marriage to Octavia, it was a raw and real look at how complicated relationships can be...... but if Stella was always abusive, then there's no reason for that scene. It doesn't make any sense. When Stella is shown throwing things and screaming, Stolas is apologetic and timid. At some level, he knows what he did was wrong and he realizes he is the reason that she's freaking out like this. If she's always been abusive, then not only is Stolas not to blame for his marriage falling apart, but he actually did the right thing by cheating. It's ridiculous.
Viv realized how bad the relationship was so she basically had to justify it by making all the surrounding characters worse, hence ruining them, I wish she just ditched this relationship since it's honestly really gross
I know this wasn't a focus of the video, but the latest episode really makes me worry about HOW Helluvaboss is going to proceed as it really threw out all nuance in the relationship, ESPECIALLY when it comes to Stolitz and Stolas and Stella. In the beginning it seemed that Stella's source of anger was because of Stolas cheating on her with an imp, in that case, very much justified even if she was extreme about it (It is hell tho). Nothing before hand actually pointed to her being abusive and in Season 1, Episode 2, Octavia calls out for her first which if Stella was the self centered, stuck up bitch S2E1 potrayed her as, it's more than likely she would not have a relationship with her daughter. Octavia also openly blames her dad in the very same S1E2, placing the fault of the family falling apart on HIM, not Stella. And it's very obvious he's the cause for Octavia's depression and Stella's fall to insanity. BUT S2E1 comes along and completely turns Stolas into a victim which wasn't shown before. He goes from oblivious father who ignores his wife, to what feels like a bad fanfiction woobified version of him, almost bordering on "Mary Sue OC" clichés with his star crossed lovers who met at childhood, sings a song before fighting back against a "bully" and all of that. It's almost insulting to watch and I hope the second episode redeems itself because honestly, it feels like bad slash fanfiction. I know I keep bringing the "bad fanfiction" point up, but the episode honestly hit most of the marks, it follows a LOT of shitty, overused fujo tropes and given how Vizzy was a tumblr girl, (not judging, I was one too) I'm not surprised. I saw a list somewhere and it's kinda scary how much Stolitz falls into the categories Forced marriage to a woman. Girl is a huge bitchy brat who is abusive and has no character outside of bitch Seme is a bad boy and Riba/Uke is an upstanding citizen who gets corrupted by him Seme often times has near rape-y scenes of talking Riba into shit Childhood friends forced to separate Riba is a "pure bean" Riba gets turned into a sex crazed lunatic who begs for it thanks to Seme Seme is uncaring and only likes Riba to purely mess with him because he knows he can (I'm so sorry for using fujo terms, I just wasn't sure how to categorize it, OP used "Top" and "bottom" but I wasn't sure if that fit all too well) ( Also S2E1 is kind of a retcon. At the end of the finale it's implied that Stella finally left Stolas with Octavia and they were just now in the process of divorce as all other appearances of her had them still living together and with the Striker ending, it seemed like they were still a couple. But the Season 2 Premier has Stolas divorcing her, a subject which would have came up in Episode 2 Season 1) I really hope the next episode is better because the new one was at worst, inconsistent and damaging, and at best, underwhelming personally. anYWAYS, offtopic rant aside, really well done video! Seriously enjoyed the watch o7
My thoughts exactly. So much poorly written fujo nonsense excused under the flimsy double standard of "um uhhhhh i derailed the comedic vibe of my show because muh abuse representation but i ONLY take abusive behaviors seriously when its the mean bitchy cunty woman who gets in the way doing them instead of the hot guys i want you to root for doing them"
Also am I the only one bothered by Stolas trying to dirty-talk to Blitzo IN FRONT OF HIS OWN UNDERAGE DAUGHTER? I might think that was funny if the situation wasn't so messed up otherwise.
I do feel like Vizie probably didn't plan the friendship and probably originally for howny Owl man catches feels for imp but because of how popular they were she leaned into it more. I do feel like though Stolas doesn't realize just how needy Blitz is of the book and can't deny that Blitz is just using Stolas for the book similar to how Stolas uses him for sex and emotional relief
What a different perspective. You brought up so many things that I would've never considered BECAUSE I like the characters so much. I really enjoyed this video!
also, just putting it out there, Octavia, whos had two major appearances so far, has been treated with the same formula in writing wherein her problem/s is/are just played for laughs for the majority of the episode, someone gives her the fast pep talk in the world, and suddenly her problems are fixed now. It rlly sucks
The Circus was the episode that made me stop watching the serirs. It was so obvious that the writers were bending over backwards to make this relationship be 'not as toxic'. I was getting Star VS flashbacks and I'm not going to subject myself to another story falling apart due to a ship.
I give so much of a pass to Stola's behavior when I look at his past and what he's been through. Blitz was his first ever friend, and in a sense his first real lover. The scene where Blitz takes the book the first time REALLY hammers that in. You can hear him saying how much it meant that the first time he truly feels wanted in a more lustful way, was by the very first person he ever considered a friend. Furthermore, Stolas suffers from what I'm gonna just call "zuko syndrome", where his royal upbringing has essentialy left him emotinally and socially stunted to the point where he just doesn't know how to behave. And the line from Blitz is intentionally saying something I genuinely don't think even HE HIMSELF believes. He knows full well that Stolas has stronger feelings for him, but he can't bring himself to get closer to him because of whatever happened with his sister. He's wants to feel that love and familial comfort again but he's terrified of it going wrong so it manifests in different ways with everyone in his life. People like Moxie he ends up overstepping his boundaries, probably in part because of his father and Stolas both where he's shown that being averse or disgusted with these advances can be seen as it's own form of love.
Honestly I feel like while it hurts him Blitzo partially WANTS the relationship to be transactional and purely sexual, ebcause if it's any deeper well....we saw how his other relationships went.
@@mangobaum9870 of course, but none of what Stolas or Blitz has done can really be considered abuse. Sure their relationship is messed up and at the time rather toxic but I wouldn't say they're abusve, just both of them are very fragile and still wounded from their pasts, on top of Blitz simply putting too much vestment into their status in society. I think he has real feelings for Stolas as well but since he's a Goetia and Blitz is the literal bottom rung, he doesn't even register that Stolas feels that for him as well. He thinks he's just a little plaything to Stolas because why in the world would one of the most important people in Hell see someone at the bottom any other way?
@@kuroihoro1ahaha.....i do agree with everything BUT the top. Stolas is hella abusive. He literally squeezes a butler imp like it was toothpaste in Seeing Stars, he's sexually coercing Blitz into doing him just so he can keep his business alive (which is actually a category for rape), he constantly calls him to talk dirty to him and also belittles him in public when Blitz clearly hates it (Harvest Moon), he ignored his own daughter to yell at her mother just to blame Blitz for Octavia running away and stealing his book, and chose to thirst over Blitz over just leaving and finding his own kid, and literally accused Blitz of being friends with Striker all because he was upset Stolas was treating him as lesser at the time "which HE WAS". Oh OH. Let's not forget he had the balls to try and cheer Octavia up who was upset her parents were fighting because her father cheated, in their bed, by bringing the person he's cheating on her mother with as a BODYGUARD and spending the whole trip flirting with him, which not only makes her upset but also upsets Blitz. He literally ignores his daughter to flirt with the man who she could see is the one responsible for ruining her parents life.
Personally, to keep this short, I adore toxic characters and relationships and the drama it creates. Blitz is an all time favorite character of mine, with Stolas just barely not making the list but still very high up for me, because of how horrible they and their relationship is. I love flawed douches, and while I cannot deny there's some inconsistency in Helluva, I find the pros outweigh the cons for me. Not everyone thinks like this, and that's alright! It's fun listening to what other people think.
I will note that the scene in episode 2 is Octavia confessing that she fears her family is going to fall apart, and that her father will leave. So, the show does acknowledge how situations like this can affect the child, and heck, it seems like the next episode is going to go even further with that. Additionally, I believe that Stolas' song is him realising something about his and Blitz's relationship. He believed- from their first meeting and their reunion -that what he was feeling was love. (which it's possible, it just might not be perfect due to the lack of actual love he's experienced from those around him) Thus, he believes that both of them are having fun, and doesn't realise the hurt he's causing Blitz. And then Ozzies happens. Blitz calls him out, he looks back on the pictures of them together and sees how unhappy Blitz is around him. Blitz was an escape for him, a means of getting away from the life his father forced onto him, (see the particular BDSM wear he has on during that scene in The Harvest Moon episode, turns out he's the sub, not the dom) and the abuse Stella was putting him through. In this song, he realises that he was in the wrong. Now, could they still explore the power imbalance they have? Absolutely, and I'd honestly love to see them do just that. I just thought I'd give my two cents on the song and its lyrics. Good video, Manga. X3
Ah, this comment aged well. Come 2 years later.....Stolas accuses Blitz of being the total jackass, says he's friends with Strikers, gets upset he's talking to him vulgarity, leaves him without trying to explain himself while Blitz is trying to, and then he leaves Blitz while Blitz gets so depressed he almost ruins decades of hard work by making the company go bankrupt. And Octavias fears are most likely gonna be confirmed so.....hoorah
In this light, it REALLY makes Episode 102 worse. Stolas basically calls Blitzo to be his bodyguard merely to flirt with him instead of giving Octavia some much-needed comfort and reassurance that she's still loved.
0:53 POV: Me listening as well watching people take shipping so seriously to the point it causes conflict among friends. This is me responding to it all.
I really hope to GOD Stolitz doesnt become canon bc its fucking toxic. Stolas better let Blitz go with the asmodean crystal and thats that. Stolas needs someone who actually loves him instead of coercing someone like Blitz to get what he wants.
I think the ship being painted as a toxic one in the way it is is pretty interesting. It's the result of an abusive marriage, but the abusee is not exempt from faults in trying to pursue another. I'm ready for what might come next, I just hope it's handled with care.
17:40 around this point in the song. it can be seen that Stolas is looking up Azmodian crystals. An object that lets demons enter the human realm. this shows that he did realize he had the power in the relationship. That Blitz only stayed because he was aftaid of losing the book. Stolas is making Blotz a replacent so Blitz can comfortably cut ties with him. note: I'm not bashing you for not realizing that. Not everyone can waste hours of their life analyzing every frame. just pointing it out
That's an interpretation - not actually fact in that regard. If anything, It could be that he just wants to get that crystal so he doesn't have to see Blitz again after taking the book back. That doesn't automatically mean that he realizes that he had the power in the relationship. You can't just dismiss my interpretation with your interpretation and vice-versa If anything, the line "Your power is so frail' in my mind signals the opposite that he had the power in the relationship.
I think a lot of people like the relationship between Stolas and Blitzø is because they understand that it's toxic and it's made clear that was the intention. They're basically praising good writing, not necessarily shipping the two. At least in my mind it makes sense. I do think they could potentially be a good couple if the relationship goes from toxic to healthy. Of course writing a transition like that would take a long time within the series and a lot of thought would have to be put into it in order to write it well
Something tells me the relationship is toxic on both ends. Stolas doesn’t know how to make relationships work because he was forced into one before puberty, but he still tried anyway, but only to help his daughter. Blitzo knows how relationships work and the types of them. But he can’t handle loss. We don’t know how, but Blitzo lost his mother somehow (we can only assume due to the yearly extermination), from Verosika, we know that his sister is in rehab (or she was trying to rile him up as payback for the heartbreak, as evidenced by the Blitzo in heart tattoo crossed out), and he tried to fill the void of no family by adopting Loona. Both Stolas and Blitzo are toxic in that relationship, but both really feel a true connection to each other. They just don’t know how to make it work.
I would argue that we did see stolas try to give his daughter a normal life by being there for her when she was younger. She was crying and he tried his best to make her smile and stop crying instead of ignoring her like his wife did. And I would say that the show constantly shows that Stolas is ignorant of the fact he had power in the relationship. This is shown when more often than not, he never seems to belittle Blitz in any malicious way or with intent. His way of interacting with Blitz is based on how Blitz believed what Stolas wanted and vice versa. Also, the point of getting Blitz to steal money instead of asking for it is to show how little his father cared about him and that if Blitz gets caught, then his father loses nothing. And to talk about the toxicity of the relationship. The reason why Stolas remembers Blitz even after 20 or so years is based off the idea that Stolas made that even with Blitz a core memory and that he could never forget his first live. And when it comes to why this relationship is toxic, it’s because neither side knows how the other truly feels and that they have yet to have a conversation to discuss the relationship. This discussion would lead to a less toxic or even healthy relationship from my point and many others point of view.
While I absolutely love the ship, and Stolas is my favorite character in the show, I do see where you’re coming from. For me, while the relationship is toxic, it’s because of Blitzo and Stolas that I (and others) want to see it them evolve into a more healthy relationship and be happy. The only flaw in it is the presentation. We do need to see more of each other’s perspective in it, other than just being lewd. And while I absolutely LOVE the lewd side, I do wish we could have MORE moments of Stolas actually showing how he loves Blitzo, just doesn’t know how to control his emotions, and Blitzo needing more balanced as a character (still enjoy him though) Hell, what made me absolutely love Stolas was Episode 7, cause we finally saw the side of him that is in love with Bitzo, and not just wanting sex. More of that please (that aren’t just the Instagram posts)
I have never really agreed with this ship. Stolas is super sexual and obsessed with Blitzø to the point he will ignore his own child. On the date when Stolas gets lectured at, afterwards blitzø moves his hand away when stolas moves closer. Blitzø would be the only one taking care of the kids, both Loona and Octavia. And Blitzø doesn’t feel the same for him so it wouldn’t be fair.
The only thing I don't agree with is Stolas seeing Blitz as a sex toy."The circus,,made it clear that he liked him since he was a kid.Therefore he has had genuine feelings for him all this time. Sex was just the only way to get to him. As we can see in episode 7 he asked him to stay so that they can spend time together not to have sex. I still can’t decide what Blitz feels though.
The Circus is a retcon. In episode 7, Blitz makes it clear that the ONLY thing their "relationship" has been founded on until that point has been sex. That's why Blitz doesn't believe Stolas when he claims to just want to spend time with him. Just think about the difference between Stolas in the pilot vs. Stolas in Season 2. It's INSANE how different he is and how differently he's portrayed. Vivsiepop wrote a problematic relationship that should never work... and that was part of the crux of the show. It was something that drove the tension, especially in Loo Loo Land. But then she decided for whatever reason to try to make that relationship something wholesome and cute which took rewriting Stolas from a power-hungry demon lord obsessed with his own pleasure and blind to the real consequences of it..... to a sad, blushing owlboi who only ever wanted Blitzo to love him.
@@thesmallscout9810 Yes, it's clear that Stolas eventually became infatuated with Blitzo. But "Stolas catches feelings for someone he was blackmailing into having sex with him" is a very different story from "Stolas pursues a childhood crush."
@@NOWABO he didn’t blackmail him the sex was more of a type of currency. if blitz said no he would have just taken the book back he never threatened to expose him for going to the human world illegally
@@Mangakamen I watched your videos about Loona, Millie and this Stolitz ship, and they are very interesting to watch. They became somehow my favourites
I think another reason why Armstrong is probably more well liked is because at least with him, you can see where he’s coming from and where he goes wrong in regards to his philosophy. I’m not really sure how one can justify Blitz being a jerk to all of his employees. Also I feel like for some reason abusive relationships have become more romanticised if there are certain dynamics involved or uses certain demographics. Look at webtoons and how many teacher-student stories or full on abusive love stories there are, for example.
One problem I have with this show trying to get me to empathise with Blitzo is that he's a massive fucking hypocrite. So he feels bad about being treated like a sex toy by Stolas? Okay, fair enough. Only problem with that is that its been made crystal clear that Blitzo CONSTANTLY stalks Moxxie and Millie, to the point of straight up sexual harassment. Why the fuck should I care about Blitzo's feelings if he doesnt give a shit about Moxxie's feelings?
I cannot root for Stolitz since the relationship hurts...Literally everyone else in the main and supporting cast. By it's very existance, everyone in and around it, has been hurt in some way.The show wants us to root for a homewrecking, child-traumatising, employee/friend endangering, selfish and toxic love affair. And I cannot do that.
This is one of many reasons why I support Blitzika instead... Blitzo and Verosika did _genuinely_ love each other at one point (and from what we see from the photos they look FAR happier together than Blitzo ever was with Stolas) and as far as we know, that ship doesn't cause NEARLY as much damage as Stolitz!
@@Wanten-the-stormtrooper Exactly, and there are hints that Blitzo feels bad for screwing over Verosika and being a selfish lover. Episodes 5 & 6 strongly imply she did have feelings for him and was genuinely hurt by his betrayal and selfishness.
While it is a toxic relationship there are hints that it could be salvaged into a healthy one, that depends on Blitzo opening up and putting aside his abandonment issues and Stolas figuring out if it’s actually genuine of what he feels for the Imp or it’s just based purely on lust. Otherwise it’s best they just split, hopefully on good terms as friends though that would probably be unlikely.
Don't worry, I also have a bias against Blitzo, but in my case it's more because I ended up sympathising with Verosika from the _moment_ she revealed how Blitzo ended their relationship in ep. 3...
I don’t think he didn’t know he had the power in the relationship but that he thought he could ignore status but it wasn’t until the Ozzie situation that he realized he couldn’t anymore hence him hiding his face in the menu and there onward Stolas didn’t know that Blitz was sold to him and for all he knew his father invited him During the scene where Blitz was trying to steal the book he gave Stolas mixed signals after either taking Stolas seriously or picked up on that Stolas liked him Stolas realizing his mistake and actually looked up for Asmodeus crystals which when translated in the book is essentially another way to get to the human world and hell it’s how Verosika and her crew got to the human world
Better to explore toxic relationships in the safety of fiction, as long as you know and can acknowledge the toxicity of them. A lot of the issues you brought up with Blitzø though are what I find interesting about him, especially in how his low status influenced his worldview. At the same time, Blitzø feels like the character with the most Rogers-esque writing and that's definitely not for everyone. I enjoy him, but I can see why others wouldn't.
Of course it's toxic. That's the point. lol I never for one second thought this was 'the relationship' to aspire to. Quite the opposite. From it's base, it's toxic. From how it's presented in the FIRST EPISODE, it's downright creepy. But, it's also dealing with two individuals who, well, felt like they could be real. Like you could meet these people. Heck, some people have probably known a Stolas and Blitzo in their life. That's what makes it interesting and entertaining. Still though, I like hearing other perspectives and breakdowns on this. So great video, great work. Keep it up.
It's not just a relationship built on lust, it's one-sidedly built on lust while the other side is built on greed, it's such a remarkably unstable foundation that "codependent" seems like a _generous_ way to describe it. I've also been in friendships with nasty people because I got something out of it myself. I've always been poor and my next door neigbor as a kid, Justin, was the son of a CEO of a small company and he always had stuff I didn't and his dad was friends with my uncle so they were friends of the family so I spent a lot of time at Justin's house as a kid, often of my own volition for the things he had that I didn't. I didn't really get along with Justin himself though because he took too much after his ahole of a father (his parents divorced after Justin and his far nicer sister grew up, the fact his mom put up with his dad for that long just so Justin and his sister could have a stable childhood is amazing frankly, though my grandfather lasted even longer with my grandmother as they still lived together when I was a kid), always bossing me around, even forcing me to stick my toes (with socks mind) under the bathroom door so he knew I was still there. These days it's impossible for me to even be in an online community without there being at least one person I just can't get along with too... It's not healthy and had lead to a lot of trouble for me to the point where I can't even interact socially online in a long-term way anymore. Maybe that's how it always was though, when I was younger and dumber and was less cognizant of how people thought of me, I never even stayed in online communities for particularly long amounts of time and that was true well after that, into the early to mid 2010s I think it was when I started finding myself finding more stable online friendships, most of which have ended because of aforementioned issue. One time the people I couldn't get along with even had the person in charge of a FFXIV FC I was in and was friends with just straight up stab me in the back and kick me out. She didn't even understand the emotional toll that took on me as she legitimately believed we could still be friends after she backstabbed me like that. I thought it was a laid-back, close-knit community and suddenly I was out on the doorstep like it was nothing. People were talking about me behind my back the whole time. I knew who it was too, people complaining about me "missing points" while never bothering to tell me what the points I missed were. Sometimes I didn't even miss the point, what I was saying was in spite of or beside it...
Ya know what I love about you as a TH-camr? You don't try to dictate terms. I like how you might not like shows like RWBY or whatever but you try to be respectful. Its hard to find that on TH-cam or tumblr. It's especially difficult when it comes to touchy topics. BTW, I'm Bi too. Just a happy coincidence that just makes you like more.
Honestly the relationship between blitzo and Stolas is more of a one-sided business deal were still stolas has a lot to gain well blitzo will practically lose everything if he doesn’t have the book. It’s the main reason why I don’t call what they have an actual relationship Since Stolas doesn’t know anything about blitz on what he likes, his dreams or anything.🐱
Im hopping that they are trying to make the characters realize that the relationship is toxic and take steps to fix themselves to keep it but the recent episode full of retcons doesn't give me much hope
I personally like the ship BECAUSE of the capacity of angst and potential growth both characters may have, IF the show writes their developments and self growth well
I think I saw somewhere that the second half of the finale is still being worked on but they are having copyright issues and the only reason season 2 episode 1 was released because it had mostly flashbacks and back stories in it, so there's probably a little bit of context we're missing. Nice video btw.
19:26 I get the feeling that with these lyrics, Stolas wasn't just singing about the relationship but _why_ he's indulging in it to begin with: He gets something out of it he doesn't get out of his marriage. His marriage makes him feel powerless, it makes him feel like _he's_ the one trapped because of it so _of course_ he doesn't understand the power dynamic he he has with Blitzo. I do agree that it has taken him _far_ too long to figure out the parallels in the power dynamics between his and Stella's and his and Blitzo's relationships though.
I honestly wish this relationship was taken as seriously as it was in the pilot....it was a joke and could've been a really funny running gag. I really wish this series was more episodic and didn't try so hard on making something "deep" and dramatic.
tbh that with you being bi was a surprise, I thought you are just embracing other guys too, anyway like always a really good video where your points are really understandable
The flashback does recontextualize their current relationship a lot actually. It even shows a pattern that would come to haunt them again in the future: Stolas has a genuine love for Blitz, but Blitz only uses Stolas for his own selfish needs. However, after spending quality time with Stolas, Blitz realizes that he does love him back, but is too scared of admitting it, so he pretends that all they had was casual. In the end, they do like each other, but they desperately need to sit down and have a talk to establish how serious their relationship really is and acknowledge the power inbalance.
I'll be honest I really hope the show takes a break from the Stolitz melodrama after the next episode coming up. For me it feels like the pairing is being to hog a lot of the limelight to the detriment of other main characters. Also doesn't the Circus kind of make what Stolas did in the Murder Family worse (using the fact that his so-called only childhood friend is in peril to get more sexual favors instead of being concerned for said person's safety?
Yeah... Makes you wonder what Viv likes about it so much that she seems hellbent on making us love it too... As for the series going forward, yeah, I hope Helluva isn't just "the Stolitz show" from now on... We've yet to see major comebacks for several key antagonists, especially Verosika.
@@Swordsmen99 I think you're right... Sounds like Viv's letting her weird kinks run the show, given that the delayed episode 8 seems to just be a pointless Hellhound party (aka softcore furry porn for Viv)...
@@Swordsmen99 Yep, but only at the 11th hour after she got blowback for delaying it so long due to the copyright issues... She should've just told us the truth from the start or better STILL, make episode 8 an actual continuation of the previous one and give Verosika more to do...
Are you saying we're going to have another "Good villain dies a dumb death before being fully explored so a worthless ship can be teased" yet again!? This angers the son of a shepherd!!!
I mainly like to point to the moment where Stolas was outed for sleeping with a Imp, and he just hides his face from the crowd. That more so hurt Blitz in a way if you really think.(and I know this comment section is smart.) Especially afterwards when Millie stomped out Fizz so Moxxie can finish his song.😶
The way that I ship this is that if they can work everything out and have a healthy relationship I think it'd be cute- and their two emo daughters. But for the most part I just want both of them to work out their trauma and be happy. So even if they're friends or cut ties forever I just want them to get some therapy tbh.
@@goddessbettyd5614 I don't think is one sided tho. My guess on this is blitz started to fall for stolas after the deal with the book was made. For example, in the harvest moon festival if Blitz only wanted the book for his work he wouldn't have hesitated to help Stricker kill him, bc the book and it's spells work without stolas doing it so it wouldn't have a problem taking off stolas from the ecuation. In truth seakeers we have to take into account the secuence dream and the stolas apparition, with the latter we had a tiny scene of blitz looking astonished bc of stolas which isn't something random due to the medium of the series. Someone had to storyboard, color and animate the tiny scene so isn't some kind of overanalizing the situation. Also we had the kiss scene, this is the first kiss that we see from them on camera and is started by blitz. After the trip we actually saw tiny changes in blitz behavior (words of affirmation for Loona, acts of service for Millie and Moxxie) and that is also seen with the kiss. Maybe is sutile for their relationship (cus they are freaky af) but the fact that the imp started it is a little step forward. Finally with ozzies during the car fight Blitz goes way to soft on stolas. Blitz is known for screaming, cursing and stating his opinion loud and clear, but with stolas not only he tries to talk to him softly but also avoids cursing him and also apologizes for not wanting to sleep with him that night when we barely see blitz apologizing for something. Also in that episode we see in Blitz phone a photo with stolas while the owl boy is sleeping, yet Blitz seems happy to be there. Also we know that the people that appear in that secuence is people that matter to the imp in some point of his life or in the actuality, so I think is a safe guess that the itty bitty imp do have the feels for the owl dude but has a serious problem with self-esteem and trust issues. Maybe all of this is really long but I hope is understandable, I'm not a native english speaker so I did my best.
He says it's a plot hole but it could be that both blitz and stolas don't don't understand the power dynamic cause of their personalities. Which would only enhance the writing.
This is gonna be good. Lmao Honestly, I feel like the relationship will come full circle once the flashback episode of Blitzø gets released. Afterwards, whatever episodes that we have between Blitzø and Stolas will just be an add ons into their development, with little to no more holes needed to be filled, except for the ones that involve Octavia.
I think they should find other people but remain friends. Their start is messy, but realistically that happens. I think Blitz needs someone without the power dynamic, and Stolas someone that can be patient with his navigation of the world.
This ship is extremely toxic. I don't know why so many people act like it's the best thing ever. It's the worst thing I've ever seen in any media, but the fandom and even the creators treat it like it's super great and wholesome when it's not. If it becomes cannon it's glorifying toxic and abusive relationships.
MangaKamen: "i'm by" (seconds later) I like senator armstrong for moments like this (the moment is a clear view of the thicc omelet kamen apparently wants to scramble. ...I'm on to you Kamen.
Hm, personally, Loo Loo Land didn’t really come to me as Stolas trying to make up for his daughter, but more like an excuse so Stolas can leave the house and have fun while Stella has her Episode. Anyway, fair and valid points and opinions, by the way have you heard about the Crystals that was shown the Book that Stolas picked up while he was singing his song in Season 2 Episode 1? Also, do you know of Cartoon Universe?
2:26 Before I finish watching the video I want to ask Have you Seen Monkey Wrench? I like see Terrible Characters analysis on Shrike. Love that Squidhead.
I'm going to leave my honest opinion here, when I saw the cartoon for the first time, I fell in love and started to create a very emotional bond with the characters, especially Blitzo, but then I realized that as I grew up that the series has a level of Fucking toxicity, think of an asshole character like Blitz, he treats Moxxie himself badly, who is the most calm and friendly person in the series, and is the one who suffers the most in the series, Blitzo has an aggressive personality, but in a bad way , instead of Millie who does this because of romantic feelings towards moxxie, she does this to defend herself and protect those she loves, Loona doesn't have much bad things to say because as time goes by we see more of her personality being explored openly in some episodes, I don't understand this romanticization of idiotic characters like Jax from the Digital Circus, Rick from Rick and Morty, the guy from Scott Pilgrim who is misunderstood by the public, Captain Homeland, Patrick Bateman and many, many other characters romanticized and idolized by young audiences, which can trigger a toxic imaginary in the minds of those who don't understand and goes deep into their mental psychology, so romanticizing fucking berserk Griffith, a bunch of sick people
I think stolas and blitz' relationship will work out since both their main issues actually can be solved simultaneously and they bounce off each other which gives good depth to their characters.
also lets not forget that vivzie confirmed that stella and stolas had an open relationship and stella isnt mad that he cheated but mad that he cheated with an imp who are considered the "lowest" form of demon, and shes mad that they did it in their house instead of a hotel. love the video tho just wanted to point that out!
Honestly I think your criticism of Stolas hiring Blitz to be his bodyguard even though he's a homewrecker, is valid. But the idea of it being a realistic yet unlikely situation is something I thought as well, when my dad brought me to a race track to hang out with his new gf only a bit after he cheated on and divorced my mom lol, as if that was gonna make things better. People definitely do tonedeaf and crappy things like that. It may be cringey and awful but it does happen. And being that Stolas is consumed with his plaything, and being socially awkward royalty, it doesn't surprise me he did that despite what it would do to his daughter >.
My main takeaway is that the idea of the toxic relationship between blitz and stolas very good on paper and can be executed very well if done properly. Vivian has been extremely good and setting perfect ideas for storyline. Yet, they have also been perfect and not executing those ideas well in some regards, or at all *cough cough* hazbin hotel *cough cough*. The stolitz relationship could be very good to watch unfold and be dissected an cleaned up in such a way that blitz and stools could get together in an actual healthy relationship. However, as it stands they are very far away from a healthy relationship and unless all of season 2 has small segments dedicated to making that relationship for fleshed out and believable stolitz will not happen or if it does happen it will send VERY weird messages.
There should be someone already have exposed Stolas has been giving the sacred Book, people know they are having a thing so we should see a consequence of what that Book has been in hands of, Stella should have also by now told higher ups and Stolas' father if still alive that Blitz has the Book and this would really clear up alot and add stake to their relationship because Blitz is not supposed to be using that Book, a Hacker Imp or Agent should also be getting any info or text about using the Book. However they would never do this and Viv will never accept that, just let the ship keep going and not be severely affected by that kind of consequence.
I would say the relationship with stolis and blitzo is like the 1st episode of the new season very mix. you got people who like it and you got people who don't you brought up some good points to why people wouldn't really like this ship being the way it is. But like you I'm hoping as this season goes on though hopefully realize how bad this relationship is at this relationship is but I'm not holding my breath still enjoyed the show though
I kinda agree with your thoughts on Blitzø. I don't hate him, but he's definitely not easy to like. I enjoy the relationship, but I also know it's pretty toxic.
Demons don't make for good people, who could've figured that out? Evidently not the creator, as she's repeatedly made characters that are either FROM HELL or Hell adjacent as just misunderstood or some trite. They're not, they're demons. They are physical manifestations of sin and negativity, expecting them to be good people is something some edgy teen comes up with to spite their religious parents. Just like Vivienne Medrano, also known as Vivziepop.
I guess that is the conceptual issue with attempting to add “depth” to creatures that should, to their fundamental core, be irredeemable. But you know, gotta have muh nuance and themes to appeal to infantile adult children who haven’t grown out of their angsty adolescent fanfiction phase.
Not sure if it should even be considered a relationship because Blitzo doesn't love Stolas, he may want a normal relationship with him but he knows they're relationship isn't real
Even though there relationship may have started off problematic I do feel overtime it has grown and matured and they have shown love and affection to each other a lot better now compared to the first 2 episodes of Helluva Boss
Honestly, the Stolitz ship has ruined Stolas as a character for me. I wish it didn't, because I love his design and the entire concept behind him. But it's just how much Stolitz has been pushed by the writers and the fans, mostly the fans because "uwu, it's gay, they're just sad gay boys uwu" which...is gross. Don't fetishize gay relationships guys, my sexuality is not yours to fetishize- But the relationship between them is just really toxic and people will still ship it and frame it as this "uwu wholesome relationship" And as someone who's been in a toxic relationship...I don't think I like people romanticizing a toxic relationship like that. You can like Stolitz as a ship, this isn't a personal attack, but people need to realize all of the flaws in the relationship.
What gets me is people keep mentioning the “potential”. We have one whole season and I’ve yet to see any type of connection or chemistry between them to convince me that the ship is a possibility.
@@briasinterlude1755 You know, I agree with you. Most of their interactions boil down to s*x, sexual harassment, or just plain awkwardness. That's not really good chemistry. Their characters don't really work that well together.
“I am not the bestest fan of blitz”. You sir have no idea of long I’ve waiting for someone to say that. You have just earned a Subscriber and my respect. 😁 I was hating blitzo & stolitz before it was cool. Lol.
I think that is the point of the story its self. Like there isn't suppose to be this good stable moral compass for any body when it comes to relationships. I know some people hate the argument that "oh its hell" but I mean it's right there and hell isn't far from the place of standards of good stable anything. I think the whole point of the story between Stolitz and Blitz is that so many things are dysfunctional between them THAT behind all that and deep down they do want a genuine relationships with each other. It's just that their are so many complications address within in the story that they aren't even close to full express that. On the surface to Blitz , he feels is nothing more then a sex object to Stolitz and Stolitz, because of his status doesn't want to full go through his feelings due to causing anymore problems the the family that he already did.
I'll be honest I was intrigued in what you had to say. Still am and I like seeing a new view point helping me see new facts I need to realize. Another thing I just realized that your hands for your stills have gotten better good job!
In my opinion, quite frankly, a lot of their relationship since I don’t think blitz consents to a lot of it it seems like SA and I know that’s like a big jump from a toxic relationship to that, but it really doesn’t seem like it like that therefore, he may not have consented to it before it happened so possibly it is SA
Who thinks in their right mind that Paimon was a good dad? I'm a cishet and I think he is the tipical negletful and horrible dad. His design is perfect, but his personality is aweful.
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If so I'm cool with sliding a monthly donation. Pfffff, it's either you or that guy who keeps asking for loose change in front of the of the supermarket. And unlike him you provide me with content... Hilarious content at that
I do like when people manage to criticize things they like, because whenever I bring up a single gripe I have with the show I get absolutely murdered.
I think Kamen is able to do this because the Helluva Boss fanbase hasn't reached the levels of toxic and cancerous that the FNAF, Undertale, Steven Universe, etc fanbases are (at least not yet).
@@lechocolat3783 Plus, because the show is set in Hell about people making a living killing any human, including a child in the pilot, Blitz is occupying that same headspace as characters like Chucky from Child’s play during Bride and Seed of Chucky; delightfully charismatic and compelling but still doing all manner of twisted things. It’s a very thin line at times but, because Blitz can often be the cause of the problems and, unlike Steven Universe, there’s no sugarcoating, it’s currently less likely to be toxic because people are more open to saying “wow, these guys are assholes”.
Tbh the only time I get dogpiled for Helluva Boss is when I say Stolas and Blitz shouldn’t be a couple because of the extremely toxic and manipulative nature of their relationship
@@riotkitty I get that.
Honestly, I’m in the mind that, whilst it does have rotten elements, their relationship can have a detox if they put effort into becoming better people and learning from their faults
@@riotkitty the only problem with their relationship is that there is no full communication and having boundaries set (AKA the key to a good relationship). Neither of them have done so yet but if they do, that toxic and manipulative nature can be unearthed, reflected on, worked out and actually become a fully prosperous, full-filling relationship
If they get together, Spindlehorse confirms an abusive relationship. If they do not get together, them the fandom will revolt. It is a loose loose situation.
Its so hypocritical too. Like I hear the fandom/actual show whining this and that about how Stella is the most domestic abuser to ever domestically abuse, (because she said mean things to her friends omg) and we're supposed to hate her. Yet what Stolas and Blitz have, Stolas coercing Blitz into sex every month otherwise Blitz, his daughter, and his coworkers may go destitute is supposed to be seen by the audience perfectly healthy and based and wholesome? Because ackshually Stolas is a victim the whole time so what he's doing to Blitz and holding his power to keep his job over him is le wholesome gay rep?
I dunno about you, but this reeks of fujoshi double standards. Bastardizing a female character into a major turbo bitch, while excusing the rapey manipulative behavior of teh hawt yaoi guiz.
Apparently abuse should only be taken seriously when it gets in the way of mai smexy otp, otherwise who cares lol how dare u criticize my representation homophobe. Its so funny seeing her go all moralistic and try to make us want to cancel Stella and her problematic elitist etc etc behavior but give the rapey Stolas a free pass.
@@yeayeayeah933 Nobody mentions how Blitz just pulls in Stolas' heartstrings, is the one gaslighting the prince as well. It is mutually abusive.
@@The_Practical_DaydreamerHe's only having Gay Sex with him all because of that book
@@The_Practical_Daydreamer Yeah both are using each other for their own gain
One is using imp to pleasure himself and the other uses their book to benefit his business but I think later on they are making things work
idk how but they will
@@no_0riginality937 Realistically such abuse is about control. You control the other to make yourself comforted. The relationship feeds into the issues without emotional boundaries.
I think the fact that Stolas knows his dad literally bought Blitzo for a day and he still expected to be friends/have a normal relationship kinda points to Stolas genuinely being dense enough not to fully understand their power dynamic.
Also, Blitzo didn't seem afraid to tell him he was going to be his biss so maybe he just (stupidly) assumed Blitzo wasn't affected by the power dynamic.
I agree that it's a big issue though.
I think the fact that Blitzo knows Stolas has feelings for him and doesn't realize their relationship is transactional but still took advantage of it needs to be addressed. He asked Stolas on a date just to use him to get into the club but Stolas clearly thought it was real and that shit was never addressed either. I think Stolas is right to be pissed at Blitzo for using him and his emotional isolation to manipulate him in the moment right after Blitzo told him he didn't give af about him other than when they had transactional intercourse tbf to the writers.
Really well put.
Considering the hints of his trashy childhoods, plus the fact he lives in Hell, it could be easy to understand the way Stolas behaves and treats the relationship with Blitzo. A lot of times, people will inherit from family and the society traits that determine the way they ended up acting, at least subconsciously, even if they knew both influences were really bad.
I honestly think Blitzo has a lot more power in the relationship than he himself thinks he does. Like, Stolas was willing to let him keep a POWERFUL magical artifact that belongs to nobility for like most of the year just cause he's in love with Blitzo. That's not a small thing.
Uhhhhhh no he didn't for all he know his father just invited Blilzo for the day.
Stolas WAS like ten years old at the time and very sheltered, to be fair. The extortion in his adulthood is more of a concern.
@@sarafontanini7051 Still a major issue, because Blitzo himself isn't aware of that. In a realistic portrayal, he'd be terrified that Stolas could turn on him any second, even though we the viewers know he won't.
Vivzie trying SO GODDANM hard to make them both look good by the audience's view, and making them _"childhood friends/crush"_ or _their relationship started as a "that was a misunderstanding",_ and even worse making Stella an owl Amber Heard just to make Stolas the _"less bad of them",_ when she had Every right to be mad at his husband until the flashbacks episode. I feel scammed, if you're going to write a toxic relationship, you need to address all the shit and not try to hide it under "misunderstandings", and "they didn't meet under this toxic environment, they were childhood friends it's ok!", I really don't like it, and I feel relieved I'm not alone. -I was afraid of being called out-
Thanks.
Oh! and and another thing: when Asmodeus call Stolas's bs out the show makes him an hypocrite because he's dating an imp (relationship that is a bit better because Asmodeus is not drowning an innocent child into his mess and treats Fizz as a friend not an object).
Edit for mistakes and this: Bee (aside from her questionable design, which I would like more if the context weren't against it), has this problem for dating a low class demon "she is one the leaders of hell, therefore she can do whatever she wants", Bee complains she wishes she could throw a bigger party but the sloth sin didn't allow it. Asmodeus and Bee can date low class demons but the Goetia can't?
Don't forget about the fact that asmodeus doesn't have a family or kids
I’d like to add that possibly the reason that could explain why Stolas hid his face in Ozzie’s was not to attract any unwanted attention towards his daughter. Then again he could just be racist or slightly racist, considering he was raised by one.
they have this deal
ok they don't have a deal they gay fuck
ok they don't gay fuck they ahve a relationship since childhood
ok they don't have a relationship stolas is the victim and blitz is the asshole for not wanting it
ok stolas is not a victim his wife wants him dead for fucking blitz
ok his wife doesn't want him dead for fucking blitz his wife is a bitch
ok his wife is not a bitch she was always awful
and so on and on
Possibly unintentionally appropriate, Amber Heard is innocent.
what the hell is with the Amber Heard mention
This is why writing story around a joke doesn't always work.
The whole thing between them in the bigenning was horny man asks horny favor in exchange of plot conveniant book, it was played for laughs. Now it's way more than that and wife never loved him anyways so it's ok to cheat on her and they where childhood friends and blah blah blah..
It all just sounds like excuses for them to end up together and is all just a bad shipping fanfic
Real
I think Stolas did show he tried to make the family work, with him trying to be normal before Stella made the divorce party
I may be wrong
Via has officially 17 years old before it starts to cheating with an imp.
I think a lot of the problem is with the assumptions people make on them is from a very short amount of episodes.
Like some of us I see Stella swinging at stolas during the argument as something she's done before or threatening her brother has worked before.
For me personally the stella's "stolas is terrible in bed. I swear he just lies there staring at the wall"
Is borderline S.A to me.
She tells him to get up on her daughter's crying there are no pictures of her with Octavia main drawings of her life and one of them's her with her dad there is no Stella anywhere on the wall.
And the fact that Octavia is so concerned about her father leaving and not her mother means she'd be okay with her mother leaving, or doesn't think she'd have to in a divorce. I know everyone says Stolas nucked the relationship but since Octavia was a wee outlet she was worried about her father being missing meaning maybe he just decided *blank* this shit I'm out because even if Octavia doesn't think there's anything wrong with her family she still can tell that he's not happy.
@@ALunarLight Those are good points.
I think there’s also one other thing. Stolas seems happiest when he’s with Via and he is very miserable with Stella. But, for her, that is normal.
Then she sees how he is with Blitz: absurdly try-hard horny and desperate to find a reason to include him. This is an entirely new side to him that, if we’re assuming from his relationship with Stella, was repressed as all heck.
There’s a common thing that happens when someone in a relationship comes out later in life; that their then Partner and children may see themselves as part of “the lie”. In this case, whilst it is clear Stolas has genuine affection for his daughter, he had to have her because of family rules and, assuming he didn’t have a consort before Blitz, there may be some really awful doubts in her mind eg how much has her dad been pretending in his life? Did he really want a child or is she only there because he had to?
Problem is that we need to see how she behaves with just Stella outside of Stolas both before and after her dad was ridden like a motorbike by the physical embodiment of the Napoleon complex.
Honestly, we need more episodes with Oktavia in there to really solidify the issues.
@@denysvision
um hi.
"Of" Stella I don't think so.
"By" maybe I'm sure there's a gray line of consent considering they both wanted an heir so they be done, but what she was saying to her friends to roast him made her look bad.
Either he doesn't want to sleep with you because you're trash or he just doesn't want to sleep with you which is S.A ish
@@denysvision also the pictures I am referring to are drawings Octavia made on her wall. Not the portrait. Should you stars and a picture of her and her dad holding hands I didn't see any pictures with her mom.
if you call that trying i'd hate to see what he's like when he isn't. oh wait he ALWAYS isn't trying.
I'm not gonna lie, Stolas was creeped me out of how thirsty he is/was.
And that "Circus" episode does NOT justify his behavior & the backward relationship he has/had with Blitz.
"I never talk/looked down on you," says the dirty bird that has been baby-talking to his lover, that same "lover" was clearly uncomfortable with those remarks for a long time.
I got kicked from a general fandom server today for pointing out that Stolas is, canonically, a rapist. Holding a man's ability to do his job over his head is extortion, which invalidates consent, and he did this several times. No, I do NOT feel bad for him, and no, I do not accept that it's "anti" rhetoric (kids who crybully about ships by declaring that every pairing they hate is pedophilia) to point out things that literally happened in canon. Stella is no worse than he is, but still gets the blame because fucking misogyny.
ETA: I don't think the slavery part was Stolas' fault though. That was his dad, and Stolas was way too young and sheltered to understand why that part was weird or shitty.
At first I thought this relationship was being played for laughs since the show takes place in hell and no one is innocent here… then season 2 episode 1 happened. Now I have no choice but to look back the actions of these characters as I would in any other show because this episode is telling me that the same rules apply in terms morality.
I think the actual problem with toxic relationships in fiction are the people that defend and insist it isn't toxic. It is always very interesting to explore how horrible a relationship it is, why it shouldn't work, and it's even better when the content itself goes on to be like "these two are actually awful for each other" to really drive in the idea that impressionable people should not want this kind of relationship IRL (glares at every wattpad fic ever).
So when people - generally part of the fanbase - try to tell others it isn't actually problematic and that you're just a hater/homophobic/whatever, that creates a needless divide in the fanbase. No longer can you all enjoy the same content, now you have to pick a side and can only discuss it in an echo chamber. I hope one day we can weed out this problem.
Meanwhile I'm over here, having gotten into the series recently because of the memes following Exes and Oohs like "No thank you. Keep that shit as far away from me as possible. I'm here to watch the funny demon people be funny and kill people. I didn't sign up for no military service in the shipping wars."
Tbh, my biggest gripe is that as much as I WANT to be invested in Stolitz, but there’s just not much chemistry established between them. The Circus episode would’ve done more for me if it showed they had things in common, got along really well, changed each others’ lives… anything other than “well for Stolas, Blitzø was his first friend” and “they got along on a surface level because they played together.”
Without any of that, there’s just no reason for either of them to hold on, or for me to want them to go through the trouble of working things out. In my mind, both Blitzø and Stolas deserve someone better than each other.
Blitz was definitely not a friend, he didn't care for anything but the stuff in the Palace to steal but Viv really tries to make us see he's a friend, Blitz didnt keep his promise he'd hire Stolas so not a friend.
@@artistanthony1007 i mean, Stolas hasnt asked nor seems to want to be part of IMP? like, yea everything else is right but Blitz hasnt needed to keep that promise from ages ago, why does that matter? if stolas had his house burnt down and lost all of his immense wealth, then yea Blitz can offer or not offer and we can judge him. but stolas has no reason to want that job nor should Blitz have any reason to think he does
@braetekburns8125 well I got bad news. It's just leaks, but if I had to guess what may happen, I think Stolas is going to lose everything he owns and then Blitz, wanting to get back into Stolas's good books, offers him the job to IMP. I've had people tell me S3 would have Stolas fighting with Loona over the secretary role which....if that happens, the show just wants to shoehorn drama
They do make stolas a whiny, self indulgent, unaware, self pitying, precious uwu favorite oc of a character
I think one of the reasons Blitzø is such a trashy person is him being in the early stages of his possible redemption. It takes place alongside Hazbin Hotel, and while Alastor has his opinions on the redemption of demons, it doesn't appear that is a set in stone rule of hell.
They are all bad people and I think that the relief of being out of the torment of life on Earth is why newcomers are either particularly happy to be in Hell, or fixate on what they left and employ various coping mechanisms, including IMP. Angel Dust is very much still trapped in their old ways and tries to pretend as if he's in control, but anyone who knows someone LIKE Angel knows they aren't quite ready to break out yet.
it's harder to say for Stolas, but despite being a keeper of wisdom, he is in fact socially stunted and a bit naive. He's learning the consequences to his actions NOW because before he never had to do r just didn't have the room to fuck up so badly.
I hope the story moves towards either the characters recognizing their relationship is toxic and go their separate ways or trying to turn what they have into something healthy. I'm with you that I was not too fond of how things went in S2 e1. Them being childhood friends, felt as if they were being written to be fated lovers, which I don't like. Also, I didn't particularly appreciate how they portrayed his loveless marriage, but that's due to my personal cannon before his wife tried to slap him. My head cannon was that both parties never wanted to make it work. It also didn't help that from what I could tell the idea of an abusive relationship was not there until the slap, but I could be wrong and had forgotten something from S1. In the end, I hope things turn around for the story cause I was not impressed with how their relationship is going. Great vid, by the way; I appreciate how you go out of your way to give your 2 cents on a topic you know the majority will have issues with.
I largely agree with this comment! I think the only clue we had of Stella being physically abusive in season 1 was just her general demeanor (i.e. constantly angry, throwing imps out of windows, shouting), but even then it's very little.
@@T4llHum4n I mean to be fair she did quite literally send someone to murder Solas and was on that call in front of both her daughter and her husband, although there most definitely wasn’t enough foreshadowing there was some, I think it was genuinely planned from the beginning and just not hinted at enough
What we did know about Stella and Stolas from the start it's that Stella wasn't mad because Stolas cheated, she was mad because he cheated with an Imp, the lowest class of demons. She was worried about their image.
That's on S1 ep 2.
And my opinion is that i don't really care about Stella being more evil, but i do think it would been more interesting if things were more at Stolas fault.
that won't happen. the only indication of an "abusive" relationship was her trying to slap him. the season 2 premier episode was a massive retconning of established lore to make stolas into a innocent victim who can do no wrong.
I'm SO glad there are people who see this the same way I do. The idea that Stella was always abusive ruins so much of the story arcs of the characters, especially Stolas.
When Stolas "couldn't find the words" to explain his marriage to Octavia, it was a raw and real look at how complicated relationships can be...... but if Stella was always abusive, then there's no reason for that scene. It doesn't make any sense.
When Stella is shown throwing things and screaming, Stolas is apologetic and timid. At some level, he knows what he did was wrong and he realizes he is the reason that she's freaking out like this. If she's always been abusive, then not only is Stolas not to blame for his marriage falling apart, but he actually did the right thing by cheating.
It's ridiculous.
Viv realized how bad the relationship was so she basically had to justify it by making all the surrounding characters worse, hence ruining them, I wish she just ditched this relationship since it's honestly really gross
Nah I think she kink this shit
That's why she need to justify it 🤢
I know this wasn't a focus of the video, but the latest episode really makes me worry about HOW Helluvaboss is going to proceed as it really threw out all nuance in the relationship, ESPECIALLY when it comes to Stolitz and Stolas and Stella.
In the beginning it seemed that Stella's source of anger was because of Stolas cheating on her with an imp, in that case, very much justified even if she was extreme about it (It is hell tho). Nothing before hand actually pointed to her being abusive and in Season 1, Episode 2, Octavia calls out for her first which if Stella was the self centered, stuck up bitch S2E1 potrayed her as, it's more than likely she would not have a relationship with her daughter.
Octavia also openly blames her dad in the very same S1E2, placing the fault of the family falling apart on HIM, not Stella. And it's very obvious he's the cause for Octavia's depression and Stella's fall to insanity.
BUT S2E1 comes along and completely turns Stolas into a victim which wasn't shown before. He goes from oblivious father who ignores his wife, to what feels like a bad fanfiction woobified version of him, almost bordering on "Mary Sue OC" clichés with his star crossed lovers who met at childhood, sings a song before fighting back against a "bully" and all of that.
It's almost insulting to watch and I hope the second episode redeems itself because honestly, it feels like bad slash fanfiction.
I know I keep bringing the "bad fanfiction" point up, but the episode honestly hit most of the marks, it follows a LOT of shitty, overused fujo tropes and given how Vizzy was a tumblr girl, (not judging, I was one too) I'm not surprised.
I saw a list somewhere and it's kinda scary how much Stolitz falls into the categories
Forced marriage to a woman.
Girl is a huge bitchy brat who is abusive and has no character outside of bitch
Seme is a bad boy and Riba/Uke is an upstanding citizen who gets corrupted by him
Seme often times has near rape-y scenes of talking Riba into shit
Childhood friends forced to separate
Riba is a "pure bean"
Riba gets turned into a sex crazed lunatic who begs for it thanks to Seme
Seme is uncaring and only likes Riba to purely mess with him because he knows he can
(I'm so sorry for using fujo terms, I just wasn't sure how to categorize it, OP used "Top" and "bottom" but I wasn't sure if that fit all too well)
( Also S2E1 is kind of a retcon. At the end of the finale it's implied that Stella finally left Stolas with Octavia and they were just now in the process of divorce as all other appearances of her had them still living together and with the Striker ending, it seemed like they were still a couple. But the Season 2 Premier has Stolas divorcing her, a subject which would have came up in Episode 2 Season 1)
I really hope the next episode is better because the new one was at worst, inconsistent and damaging, and at best, underwhelming personally.
anYWAYS, offtopic rant aside, really well done video! Seriously enjoyed the watch o7
Unfortunately, today's episode seems to completely ignore the events in S1 E7 and S2 E1.
My thoughts exactly. So much poorly written fujo nonsense excused under the flimsy double standard of "um uhhhhh i derailed the comedic vibe of my show because muh abuse representation but i ONLY take abusive behaviors seriously when its the mean bitchy cunty woman who gets in the way doing them instead of the hot guys i want you to root for doing them"
Definitely agreed!
Also am I the only one bothered by Stolas trying to dirty-talk to Blitzo IN FRONT OF HIS OWN UNDERAGE DAUGHTER? I might think that was funny if the situation wasn't so messed up otherwise.
I do feel like Vizie probably didn't plan the friendship and probably originally for howny Owl man catches feels for imp but because of how popular they were she leaned into it more. I do feel like though Stolas doesn't realize just how needy Blitz is of the book and can't deny that Blitz is just using Stolas for the book similar to how Stolas uses him for sex and emotional relief
What a different perspective. You brought up so many things that I would've never considered BECAUSE I like the characters so much. I really enjoyed this video!
Glad you enjoyed it
@@Mangakamen how's your girlfriend?
@@rachiebabii916 lmao that came out of nowhere
also, just putting it out there, Octavia, whos had two major appearances so far, has been treated with the same formula in writing wherein her problem/s is/are just played for laughs for the majority of the episode, someone gives her the fast pep talk in the world, and suddenly her problems are fixed now. It rlly sucks
The Circus was the episode that made me stop watching the serirs. It was so obvious that the writers were bending over backwards to make this relationship be 'not as toxic'. I was getting Star VS flashbacks and I'm not going to subject myself to another story falling apart due to a ship.
TBF the ships were the LAST THING that made the story fall apart in Star VS.
I give so much of a pass to Stola's behavior when I look at his past and what he's been through. Blitz was his first ever friend, and in a sense his first real lover. The scene where Blitz takes the book the first time REALLY hammers that in. You can hear him saying how much it meant that the first time he truly feels wanted in a more lustful way, was by the very first person he ever considered a friend. Furthermore, Stolas suffers from what I'm gonna just call "zuko syndrome", where his royal upbringing has essentialy left him emotinally and socially stunted to the point where he just doesn't know how to behave.
And the line from Blitz is intentionally saying something I genuinely don't think even HE HIMSELF believes. He knows full well that Stolas has stronger feelings for him, but he can't bring himself to get closer to him because of whatever happened with his sister. He's wants to feel that love and familial comfort again but he's terrified of it going wrong so it manifests in different ways with everyone in his life. People like Moxie he ends up overstepping his boundaries, probably in part because of his father and Stolas both where he's shown that being averse or disgusted with these advances can be seen as it's own form of love.
Honestly I feel like while it hurts him Blitzo partially WANTS the relationship to be transactional and purely sexual, ebcause if it's any deeper well....we saw how his other relationships went.
Just a reminder that having a difficult upbringing does not excuse someone from being abusive
@@mangobaum9870 of course, but none of what Stolas or Blitz has done can really be considered abuse. Sure their relationship is messed up and at the time rather toxic but I wouldn't say they're abusve, just both of them are very fragile and still wounded from their pasts, on top of Blitz simply putting too much vestment into their status in society. I think he has real feelings for Stolas as well but since he's a Goetia and Blitz is the literal bottom rung, he doesn't even register that Stolas feels that for him as well. He thinks he's just a little plaything to Stolas because why in the world would one of the most important people in Hell see someone at the bottom any other way?
@@kuroihoro1ahaha.....i do agree with everything BUT the top.
Stolas is hella abusive. He literally squeezes a butler imp like it was toothpaste in Seeing Stars, he's sexually coercing Blitz into doing him just so he can keep his business alive (which is actually a category for rape), he constantly calls him to talk dirty to him and also belittles him in public when Blitz clearly hates it (Harvest Moon), he ignored his own daughter to yell at her mother just to blame Blitz for Octavia running away and stealing his book, and chose to thirst over Blitz over just leaving and finding his own kid, and literally accused Blitz of being friends with Striker all because he was upset Stolas was treating him as lesser at the time "which HE WAS".
Oh OH. Let's not forget he had the balls to try and cheer Octavia up who was upset her parents were fighting because her father cheated, in their bed, by bringing the person he's cheating on her mother with as a BODYGUARD and spending the whole trip flirting with him, which not only makes her upset but also upsets Blitz. He literally ignores his daughter to flirt with the man who she could see is the one responsible for ruining her parents life.
Personally, to keep this short, I adore toxic characters and relationships and the drama it creates. Blitz is an all time favorite character of mine, with Stolas just barely not making the list but still very high up for me, because of how horrible they and their relationship is. I love flawed douches, and while I cannot deny there's some inconsistency in Helluva, I find the pros outweigh the cons for me. Not everyone thinks like this, and that's alright! It's fun listening to what other people think.
And hey, if you like it, more power to ya. Don't let people like me take that from ya :)
GaSp U hAvE a opinion HoW eViL
I also love toxic characters!
(Ex: cotton in king of the hill, cartman in South Park, and of course blitzo)
I will note that the scene in episode 2 is Octavia confessing that she fears her family is going to fall apart, and that her father will leave. So, the show does acknowledge how situations like this can affect the child, and heck, it seems like the next episode is going to go even further with that. Additionally, I believe that Stolas' song is him realising something about his and Blitz's relationship.
He believed- from their first meeting and their reunion -that what he was feeling was love. (which it's possible, it just might not be perfect due to the lack of actual love he's experienced from those around him) Thus, he believes that both of them are having fun, and doesn't realise the hurt he's causing Blitz. And then Ozzies happens. Blitz calls him out, he looks back on the pictures of them together and sees how unhappy Blitz is around him. Blitz was an escape for him, a means of getting away from the life his father forced onto him, (see the particular BDSM wear he has on during that scene in The Harvest Moon episode, turns out he's the sub, not the dom) and the abuse Stella was putting him through. In this song, he realises that he was in the wrong.
Now, could they still explore the power imbalance they have? Absolutely, and I'd honestly love to see them do just that. I just thought I'd give my two cents on the song and its lyrics. Good video, Manga. X3
Ah, this comment aged well.
Come 2 years later.....Stolas accuses Blitz of being the total jackass, says he's friends with Strikers, gets upset he's talking to him vulgarity, leaves him without trying to explain himself while Blitz is trying to, and then he leaves Blitz while Blitz gets so depressed he almost ruins decades of hard work by making the company go bankrupt.
And Octavias fears are most likely gonna be confirmed so.....hoorah
In this light, it REALLY makes Episode 102 worse. Stolas basically calls Blitzo to be his bodyguard merely to flirt with him instead of giving Octavia some much-needed comfort and reassurance that she's still loved.
102???
Honestly I really think Stolas just can't the read room more then anything really.
That's the point until Season 2 Episode 1
0:53
POV: Me listening as well watching people take shipping so seriously to the point it causes conflict among friends. This is me responding to it all.
I really hope to GOD Stolitz doesnt become canon bc its fucking toxic. Stolas better let Blitz go with the asmodean crystal and thats that. Stolas needs someone who actually loves him instead of coercing someone like Blitz to get what he wants.
Boy, do I have news for you.
bro was so wrong that i feel my whole body collectively groan
But seriously i agree it should have ended like that
Oh dear lord have mercy if only.
Yeeeah it was going to happen anyway, that's how she thinks.
I think the ship being painted as a toxic one in the way it is is pretty interesting. It's the result of an abusive marriage, but the abusee is not exempt from faults in trying to pursue another. I'm ready for what might come next, I just hope it's handled with care.
Its not handled with care. Vivzie bends over backwards to try to justify everything he does.
@jonathangoodwin5609 I made this comment a year ago. I this opinion of mine has been mostly negated given the portrayal of the ship in season 2.
17:40
around this point in the song. it can be seen that Stolas is looking up Azmodian crystals. An object that lets demons enter the human realm.
this shows that he did realize he had the power in the relationship. That Blitz only stayed because he was aftaid of losing the book. Stolas is making Blotz a replacent so Blitz can comfortably cut ties with him.
note: I'm not bashing you for not realizing that. Not everyone can waste hours of their life analyzing every frame. just pointing it out
That's an interpretation - not actually fact in that regard. If anything, It could be that he just wants to get that crystal so he doesn't have to see Blitz again after taking the book back.
That doesn't automatically mean that he realizes that he had the power in the relationship.
You can't just dismiss my interpretation with your interpretation and vice-versa
If anything, the line "Your power is so frail' in my mind signals the opposite that he had the power in the relationship.
@@Mangakamen that's fair.
I think a lot of people like the relationship between Stolas and Blitzø is because they understand that it's toxic and it's made clear that was the intention. They're basically praising good writing, not necessarily shipping the two. At least in my mind it makes sense. I do think they could potentially be a good couple if the relationship goes from toxic to healthy. Of course writing a transition like that would take a long time within the series and a lot of thought would have to be put into it in order to write it well
Something tells me the relationship is toxic on both ends.
Stolas doesn’t know how to make relationships work because he was forced into one before puberty, but he still tried anyway, but only to help his daughter.
Blitzo knows how relationships work and the types of them. But he can’t handle loss. We don’t know how, but Blitzo lost his mother somehow (we can only assume due to the yearly extermination), from Verosika, we know that his sister is in rehab (or she was trying to rile him up as payback for the heartbreak, as evidenced by the Blitzo in heart tattoo crossed out), and he tried to fill the void of no family by adopting Loona.
Both Stolas and Blitzo are toxic in that relationship, but both really feel a true connection to each other. They just don’t know how to make it work.
Hey man, opinions are valid. You should be free to express your own opinions and not be afraid to do so. Keep on doing your thing.
I would argue that we did see stolas try to give his daughter a normal life by being there for her when she was younger. She was crying and he tried his best to make her smile and stop crying instead of ignoring her like his wife did.
And I would say that the show constantly shows that Stolas is ignorant of the fact he had power in the relationship. This is shown when more often than not, he never seems to belittle Blitz in any malicious way or with intent. His way of interacting with Blitz is based on how Blitz believed what Stolas wanted and vice versa.
Also, the point of getting Blitz to steal money instead of asking for it is to show how little his father cared about him and that if Blitz gets caught, then his father loses nothing.
And to talk about the toxicity of the relationship. The reason why Stolas remembers Blitz even after 20 or so years is based off the idea that Stolas made that even with Blitz a core memory and that he could never forget his first live. And when it comes to why this relationship is toxic, it’s because neither side knows how the other truly feels and that they have yet to have a conversation to discuss the relationship. This discussion would lead to a less toxic or even healthy relationship from my point and many others point of view.
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MangaKamen:"Thank you for watching"
*literally right afterwards
"GET THE FUCK OUT!"
(Stuff like that cracks me up)
While I absolutely love the ship, and Stolas is my favorite character in the show, I do see where you’re coming from. For me, while the relationship is toxic, it’s because of Blitzo and Stolas that I (and others) want to see it them evolve into a more healthy relationship and be happy. The only flaw in it is the presentation. We do need to see more of each other’s perspective in it, other than just being lewd.
And while I absolutely LOVE the lewd side, I do wish we could have MORE moments of Stolas actually showing how he loves Blitzo, just doesn’t know how to control his emotions, and Blitzo needing more balanced as a character (still enjoy him though)
Hell, what made me absolutely love Stolas was Episode 7, cause we finally saw the side of him that is in love with Bitzo, and not just wanting sex. More of that please (that aren’t just the Instagram posts)
I have never really agreed with this ship. Stolas is super sexual and obsessed with Blitzø to the point he will ignore his own child. On the date when Stolas gets lectured at, afterwards blitzø moves his hand away when stolas moves closer. Blitzø would be the only one taking care of the kids, both Loona and Octavia. And Blitzø doesn’t feel the same for him so it wouldn’t be fair.
The only thing I don't agree with is Stolas seeing Blitz as a sex toy."The circus,,made it clear that he liked him since he was a kid.Therefore he has had genuine feelings for him all this time. Sex was just the only way to get to him. As we can see in episode 7 he asked him to stay so that they can spend time together not to have sex. I still can’t decide what Blitz feels though.
I agree
The Circus is a retcon. In episode 7, Blitz makes it clear that the ONLY thing their "relationship" has been founded on until that point has been sex. That's why Blitz doesn't believe Stolas when he claims to just want to spend time with him.
Just think about the difference between Stolas in the pilot vs. Stolas in Season 2. It's INSANE how different he is and how differently he's portrayed.
Vivsiepop wrote a problematic relationship that should never work... and that was part of the crux of the show. It was something that drove the tension, especially in Loo Loo Land. But then she decided for whatever reason to try to make that relationship something wholesome and cute which took rewriting Stolas from a power-hungry demon lord obsessed with his own pleasure and blind to the real consequences of it..... to a sad, blushing owlboi who only ever wanted Blitzo to love him.
@@NOWABO What about episode 7. He was clearly excited to just go on a date.
@@thesmallscout9810 Yes, it's clear that Stolas eventually became infatuated with Blitzo. But "Stolas catches feelings for someone he was blackmailing into having sex with him" is a very different story from "Stolas pursues a childhood crush."
@@NOWABO he didn’t blackmail him the sex was more of a type of currency. if blitz said no he would have just taken the book back he never threatened to expose him for going to the human world illegally
Yeah they’re problematic but I thought that was the point, & that they have to solve these problems before they can truly get together.
I mean, it's an analysis on the information presented along with my own personal interpretation.
@@Mangakamen I watched your videos about Loona, Millie and this Stolitz ship, and they are very interesting to watch. They became somehow my favourites
I think another reason why Armstrong is probably more well liked is because at least with him, you can see where he’s coming from and where he goes wrong in regards to his philosophy.
I’m not really sure how one can justify Blitz being a jerk to all of his employees.
Also I feel like for some reason abusive relationships have become more romanticised if there are certain dynamics involved or uses certain demographics. Look at webtoons and how many teacher-student stories or full on abusive love stories there are, for example.
There is no Armstrong
One problem I have with this show trying to get me to empathise with Blitzo is that he's a massive fucking hypocrite. So he feels bad about being treated like a sex toy by Stolas? Okay, fair enough. Only problem with that is that its been made crystal clear that Blitzo CONSTANTLY stalks Moxxie and Millie, to the point of straight up sexual harassment. Why the fuck should I care about Blitzo's feelings if he doesnt give a shit about Moxxie's feelings?
Not really. Both are bad and sometimes a victim can be a perpetrator, it doesn’t erase that he was victimised by somebody else
@@Opalhibiscus If a sexual harasser got sexually harassed themself that doesn't magically make them sympathetic.
Yeah I'm not even surprised that he has a same Mindset like vivziepop lol
I cannot root for Stolitz since the relationship hurts...Literally everyone else in the main and supporting cast. By it's very existance, everyone in and around it, has been hurt in some way.The show wants us to root for a homewrecking, child-traumatising, employee/friend endangering, selfish and toxic love affair.
And I cannot do that.
This is one of many reasons why I support Blitzika instead... Blitzo and Verosika did _genuinely_ love each other at one point (and from what we see from the photos they look FAR happier together than Blitzo ever was with Stolas) and as far as we know, that ship doesn't cause NEARLY as much damage as Stolitz!
@@Wanten-the-stormtrooper Exactly, and there are hints that Blitzo feels bad for screwing over Verosika and being a selfish lover. Episodes 5 & 6 strongly imply she did have feelings for him and was genuinely hurt by his betrayal and selfishness.
@@PlanetZoidstar Agreed! I feel bad for her; she should really get a second chance later down the line IMO...
1,000%
While it is a toxic relationship there are hints that it could be salvaged into a healthy one, that depends on Blitzo opening up and putting aside his abandonment issues and Stolas figuring out if it’s actually genuine of what he feels for the Imp or it’s just based purely on lust.
Otherwise it’s best they just split, hopefully on good terms as friends though that would probably be unlikely.
Don't worry, I also have a bias against Blitzo, but in my case it's more because I ended up sympathising with Verosika from the _moment_ she revealed how Blitzo ended their relationship in ep. 3...
It's weird how they try to make it seem like blitzø is on the same boat as angel dust when he very much isn't 😂
I don’t think he didn’t know he had the power in the relationship but that he thought he could ignore status but it wasn’t until the Ozzie situation that he realized he couldn’t anymore hence him hiding his face in the menu and there onward
Stolas didn’t know that Blitz was sold to him and for all he knew his father invited him
During the scene where Blitz was trying to steal the book he gave Stolas mixed signals after either taking Stolas seriously or picked up on that Stolas liked him
Stolas realizing his mistake and actually looked up for Asmodeus crystals which when translated in the book is essentially another way to get to the human world and hell it’s how Verosika and her crew got to the human world
Better to explore toxic relationships in the safety of fiction, as long as you know and can acknowledge the toxicity of them.
A lot of the issues you brought up with Blitzø though are what I find interesting about him, especially in how his low status influenced his worldview. At the same time, Blitzø feels like the character with the most Rogers-esque writing and that's definitely not for everyone. I enjoy him, but I can see why others wouldn't.
Of course it's toxic. That's the point. lol I never for one second thought this was 'the relationship' to aspire to. Quite the opposite. From it's base, it's toxic. From how it's presented in the FIRST EPISODE, it's downright creepy.
But, it's also dealing with two individuals who, well, felt like they could be real. Like you could meet these people. Heck, some people have probably known a Stolas and Blitzo in their life. That's what makes it interesting and entertaining.
Still though, I like hearing other perspectives and breakdowns on this. So great video, great work. Keep it up.
5:42 did anyone else notice the animation error of the lineart of Octavia's hair cutting through stolas's face?
Wait I actually checked and it doesnt look like that's there.
It's not just a relationship built on lust, it's one-sidedly built on lust while the other side is built on greed, it's such a remarkably unstable foundation that "codependent" seems like a _generous_ way to describe it.
I've also been in friendships with nasty people because I got something out of it myself. I've always been poor and my next door neigbor as a kid, Justin, was the son of a CEO of a small company and he always had stuff I didn't and his dad was friends with my uncle so they were friends of the family so I spent a lot of time at Justin's house as a kid, often of my own volition for the things he had that I didn't. I didn't really get along with Justin himself though because he took too much after his ahole of a father (his parents divorced after Justin and his far nicer sister grew up, the fact his mom put up with his dad for that long just so Justin and his sister could have a stable childhood is amazing frankly, though my grandfather lasted even longer with my grandmother as they still lived together when I was a kid), always bossing me around, even forcing me to stick my toes (with socks mind) under the bathroom door so he knew I was still there.
These days it's impossible for me to even be in an online community without there being at least one person I just can't get along with too... It's not healthy and had lead to a lot of trouble for me to the point where I can't even interact socially online in a long-term way anymore. Maybe that's how it always was though, when I was younger and dumber and was less cognizant of how people thought of me, I never even stayed in online communities for particularly long amounts of time and that was true well after that, into the early to mid 2010s I think it was when I started finding myself finding more stable online friendships, most of which have ended because of aforementioned issue. One time the people I couldn't get along with even had the person in charge of a FFXIV FC I was in and was friends with just straight up stab me in the back and kick me out. She didn't even understand the emotional toll that took on me as she legitimately believed we could still be friends after she backstabbed me like that. I thought it was a laid-back, close-knit community and suddenly I was out on the doorstep like it was nothing. People were talking about me behind my back the whole time. I knew who it was too, people complaining about me "missing points" while never bothering to tell me what the points I missed were. Sometimes I didn't even miss the point, what I was saying was in spite of or beside it...
Ya know what I love about you as a TH-camr? You don't try to dictate terms. I like how you might not like shows like RWBY or whatever but you try to be respectful. Its hard to find that on TH-cam or tumblr. It's especially difficult when it comes to touchy topics.
BTW, I'm Bi too. Just a happy coincidence that just makes you like more.
Honestly the relationship between blitzo and Stolas is more of a one-sided business deal were still stolas has a lot to gain well blitzo will practically lose everything if he doesn’t have the book. It’s the main reason why I don’t call what they have an actual relationship Since Stolas doesn’t know anything about blitz on what he likes, his dreams or anything.🐱
Love your work kammen keep it up!
Thanks, will do
@@Mangakamen I will go after all of the TH-camrs.
Im hopping that they are trying to make the characters realize that the relationship is toxic and take steps to fix themselves to keep it but the recent episode full of retcons doesn't give me much hope
I personally like the ship BECAUSE of the capacity of angst and potential growth both characters may have, IF the show writes their developments and self growth well
I think I saw somewhere that the second half of the finale is still being worked on but they are having copyright issues and the only reason season 2 episode 1 was released because it had mostly flashbacks and back stories in it, so there's probably a little bit of context we're missing.
Nice video btw.
19:26 I get the feeling that with these lyrics, Stolas wasn't just singing about the relationship but _why_ he's indulging in it to begin with: He gets something out of it he doesn't get out of his marriage. His marriage makes him feel powerless, it makes him feel like _he's_ the one trapped because of it so _of course_ he doesn't understand the power dynamic he he has with Blitzo. I do agree that it has taken him _far_ too long to figure out the parallels in the power dynamics between his and Stella's and his and Blitzo's relationships though.
I honestly wish this relationship was taken as seriously as it was in the pilot....it was a joke and could've been a really funny running gag. I really wish this series was more episodic and didn't try so hard on making something "deep" and dramatic.
tbh that with you being bi was a surprise, I thought you are just embracing other guys too, anyway like always a really good video where your points are really understandable
I'll be honest, I like Blitz and Stolus but I do see the issues with it so that's my take. Thanks for the video.
The flashback does recontextualize their current relationship a lot actually. It even shows a pattern that would come to haunt them again in the future: Stolas has a genuine love for Blitz, but Blitz only uses Stolas for his own selfish needs. However, after spending quality time with Stolas, Blitz realizes that he does love him back, but is too scared of admitting it, so he pretends that all they had was casual. In the end, they do like each other, but they desperately need to sit down and have a talk to establish how serious their relationship really is and acknowledge the power inbalance.
I'll be honest I really hope the show takes a break from the Stolitz melodrama after the next episode coming up. For me it feels like the pairing is being to hog a lot of the limelight to the detriment of other main characters. Also doesn't the Circus kind of make what Stolas did in the Murder Family worse (using the fact that his so-called only childhood friend is in peril to get more sexual favors instead of being concerned for said person's safety?
Yeah... Makes you wonder what Viv likes about it so much that she seems hellbent on making us love it too...
As for the series going forward, yeah, I hope Helluva isn't just "the Stolitz show" from now on... We've yet to see major comebacks for several key antagonists, especially Verosika.
@@Wanten-the-stormtrooper I think it's mainly cuz of yaoi fangirlism.
@@Swordsmen99 I think you're right... Sounds like Viv's letting her weird kinks run the show, given that the delayed episode 8 seems to just be a pointless Hellhound party (aka softcore furry porn for Viv)...
@@Wanten-the-stormtrooper didn't she admit that the episode was mostly filler made to be pretty.
@@Swordsmen99 Yep, but only at the 11th hour after she got blowback for delaying it so long due to the copyright issues... She should've just told us the truth from the start or better STILL, make episode 8 an actual continuation of the previous one and give Verosika more to do...
The writing on this ship is very in favor of it come hell or high water
Are you saying we're going to have another "Good villain dies a dumb death before being fully explored so a worthless ship can be teased" yet again!? This angers the son of a shepherd!!!
I mainly like to point to the moment where Stolas was outed for sleeping with a Imp, and he just hides his face from the crowd. That more so hurt Blitz in a way if you really think.(and I know this comment section is smart.) Especially afterwards when Millie stomped out Fizz so Moxxie can finish his song.😶
The way that I ship this is that if they can work everything out and have a healthy relationship I think it'd be cute- and their two emo daughters. But for the most part I just want both of them to work out their trauma and be happy. So even if they're friends or cut ties forever I just want them to get some therapy tbh.
I would love to see ur take on the development of their relationship in Season 2 😊
I think the Stolas and Blitz ship is pretty Hilarious
Although the relationship is not that toxic but we cannot call it healthy either. It's just a one-sided attraction.
It's hell.
@@goddessbettyd5614 I don't think is one sided tho. My guess on this is blitz started to fall for stolas after the deal with the book was made. For example, in the harvest moon festival if Blitz only wanted the book for his work he wouldn't have hesitated to help Stricker kill him, bc the book and it's spells work without stolas doing it so it wouldn't have a problem taking off stolas from the ecuation. In truth seakeers we have to take into account the secuence dream and the stolas apparition, with the latter we had a tiny scene of blitz looking astonished bc of stolas which isn't something random due to the medium of the series. Someone had to storyboard, color and animate the tiny scene so isn't some kind of overanalizing the situation. Also we had the kiss scene, this is the first kiss that we see from them on camera and is started by blitz. After the trip we actually saw tiny changes in blitz behavior (words of affirmation for Loona, acts of service for Millie and Moxxie) and that is also seen with the kiss. Maybe is sutile for their relationship (cus they are freaky af) but the fact that the imp started it is a little step forward. Finally with ozzies during the car fight Blitz goes way to soft on stolas. Blitz is known for screaming, cursing and stating his opinion loud and clear, but with stolas not only he tries to talk to him softly but also avoids cursing him and also apologizes for not wanting to sleep with him that night when we barely see blitz apologizing for something. Also in that episode we see in Blitz phone a photo with stolas while the owl boy is sleeping, yet Blitz seems happy to be there. Also we know that the people that appear in that secuence is people that matter to the imp in some point of his life or in the actuality, so I think is a safe guess that the itty bitty imp do have the feels for the owl dude but has a serious problem with self-esteem and trust issues.
Maybe all of this is really long but I hope is understandable, I'm not a native english speaker so I did my best.
He says it's a plot hole but it could be that both blitz and stolas don't don't understand the power dynamic cause of their personalities. Which would only enhance the writing.
This is gonna be good. Lmao
Honestly, I feel like the relationship will come full circle once the flashback episode of Blitzø gets released. Afterwards, whatever episodes that we have between Blitzø and Stolas will just be an add ons into their development, with little to no more holes needed to be filled, except for the ones that involve Octavia.
I think they should find other people but remain friends. Their start is messy, but realistically that happens. I think Blitz needs someone without the power dynamic, and Stolas someone that can be patient with his navigation of the world.
This ship is extremely toxic. I don't know why so many people act like it's the best thing ever. It's the worst thing I've ever seen in any media, but the fandom and even the creators treat it like it's super great and wholesome when it's not. If it becomes cannon it's glorifying toxic and abusive relationships.
MangaKamen: "i'm by"
(seconds later)
I like senator armstrong for moments like this
(the moment is a clear view of the thicc omelet kamen apparently wants to scramble.
...I'm on to you Kamen.
.... So this is merely a formality.
But would you like your pitchforks sharpened or on fire?
Hm, personally, Loo Loo Land didn’t really come to me as Stolas trying to make up for his daughter, but more like an excuse so Stolas can leave the house and have fun while Stella has her Episode.
Anyway, fair and valid points and opinions, by the way have you heard about the Crystals that was shown the Book that Stolas picked up while he was singing his song in Season 2 Episode 1?
Also, do you know of Cartoon Universe?
Imagine retconing a character just to make a fan favorite ship work🤡
2:26 Before I finish watching the video I want to ask Have you Seen Monkey Wrench? I like see Terrible Characters analysis on Shrike. Love that Squidhead.
Honestly Shrike feels like a much more tolerable Blitz.
Kamen lore ... Common lore ... that's a pun if I've ever heard one. XD
I don’t really care that much about Stolitz, I’m more of a Milxie guy!
I'm going to leave my honest opinion here, when I saw the cartoon for the first time, I fell in love and started to create a very emotional bond with the characters, especially Blitzo, but then I realized that as I grew up that the series has a level of Fucking toxicity, think of an asshole character like Blitz, he treats Moxxie himself badly, who is the most calm and friendly person in the series, and is the one who suffers the most in the series, Blitzo has an aggressive personality, but in a bad way , instead of Millie who does this because of romantic feelings towards moxxie, she does this to defend herself and protect those she loves, Loona doesn't have much bad things to say because as time goes by we see more of her personality being explored openly in some episodes, I don't understand this romanticization of idiotic characters like Jax from the Digital Circus, Rick from Rick and Morty, the guy from Scott Pilgrim who is misunderstood by the public, Captain Homeland, Patrick Bateman and many, many other characters romanticized and idolized by young audiences, which can trigger a toxic imaginary in the minds of those who don't understand and goes deep into their mental psychology, so romanticizing fucking berserk Griffith, a bunch of sick people
I think stolas and blitz' relationship will work out since both their main issues actually can be solved simultaneously and they bounce off each other which gives good depth to their characters.
also lets not forget that vivzie confirmed that stella and stolas had an open relationship and stella isnt mad that he cheated but mad that he cheated with an imp who are considered the "lowest" form of demon, and shes mad that they did it in their house instead of a hotel. love the video tho just wanted to point that out!
Honestly I think your criticism of Stolas hiring Blitz to be his bodyguard even though he's a homewrecker, is valid. But the idea of it being a realistic yet unlikely situation is something I thought as well, when my dad brought me to a race track to hang out with his new gf only a bit after he cheated on and divorced my mom lol, as if that was gonna make things better. People definitely do tonedeaf and crappy things like that. It may be cringey and awful but it does happen. And being that Stolas is consumed with his plaything, and being socially awkward royalty, it doesn't surprise me he did that despite what it would do to his daughter >.
Stolas could have a twisted form of love like Yubel, just spit balling.
My main takeaway is that the idea of the toxic relationship between blitz and stolas very good on paper and can be executed very well if done properly. Vivian has been extremely good and setting perfect ideas for storyline. Yet, they have also been perfect and not executing those ideas well in some regards, or at all *cough cough* hazbin hotel *cough cough*. The stolitz relationship could be very good to watch unfold and be dissected an cleaned up in such a way that blitz and stools could get together in an actual healthy relationship. However, as it stands they are very far away from a healthy relationship and unless all of season 2 has small segments dedicated to making that relationship for fleshed out and believable stolitz will not happen or if it does happen it will send VERY weird messages.
Fingers crossed for Kamen!
There should be someone already have exposed Stolas has been giving the sacred Book, people know they are having a thing so we should see a consequence of what that Book has been in hands of, Stella should have also by now told higher ups and Stolas' father if still alive that Blitz has the Book and this would really clear up alot and add stake to their relationship because Blitz is not supposed to be using that Book, a Hacker Imp or Agent should also be getting any info or text about using the Book.
However they would never do this and Viv will never accept that, just let the ship keep going and not be severely affected by that kind of consequence.
I would say the relationship with stolis and blitzo is like the 1st episode of the new season very mix. you got people who like it and you got people who don't you brought up some good points to why people wouldn't really like this ship being the way it is. But like you I'm hoping as this season goes on though hopefully realize how bad this relationship is at this relationship is but I'm not holding my breath still enjoyed the show though
I kinda agree with your thoughts on Blitzø. I don't hate him, but he's definitely not easy to like. I enjoy the relationship, but I also know it's pretty toxic.
Demons don't make for good people, who could've figured that out? Evidently not the creator, as she's repeatedly made characters that are either FROM HELL or Hell adjacent as just misunderstood or some trite. They're not, they're demons. They are physical manifestations of sin and negativity, expecting them to be good people is something some edgy teen comes up with to spite their religious parents.
Just like Vivienne Medrano, also known as Vivziepop.
I guess that is the conceptual issue with attempting to add “depth” to creatures that should, to their fundamental core, be irredeemable. But you know, gotta have muh nuance and themes to appeal to infantile adult children who haven’t grown out of their angsty adolescent fanfiction phase.
Not sure if it should even be considered a relationship because Blitzo doesn't love Stolas, he may want a normal relationship with him but he knows they're relationship isn't real
Watch the video before commenting this.
Even though there relationship may have started off problematic I do feel overtime it has grown and matured and they have shown love and affection to each other a lot better now compared to the first 2 episodes of Helluva Boss
Honestly, the Stolitz ship has ruined Stolas as a character for me. I wish it didn't, because I love his design and the entire concept behind him. But it's just how much Stolitz has been pushed by the writers and the fans, mostly the fans because "uwu, it's gay, they're just sad gay boys uwu" which...is gross. Don't fetishize gay relationships guys, my sexuality is not yours to fetishize-
But the relationship between them is just really toxic and people will still ship it and frame it as this "uwu wholesome relationship"
And as someone who's been in a toxic relationship...I don't think I like people romanticizing a toxic relationship like that.
You can like Stolitz as a ship, this isn't a personal attack, but people need to realize all of the flaws in the relationship.
What gets me is people keep mentioning the “potential”. We have one whole season and I’ve yet to see any type of connection or chemistry between them to convince me that the ship is a possibility.
@@briasinterlude1755 You know, I agree with you. Most of their interactions boil down to s*x, sexual harassment, or just plain awkwardness. That's not really good chemistry. Their characters don't really work that well together.
“I am not the bestest fan of blitz”. You sir have no idea of long I’ve waiting for someone to say that. You have just earned a Subscriber and my respect. 😁
I was hating blitzo & stolitz before it was cool. Lol.
Fair enough
I think that is the point of the story its self. Like there isn't suppose to be this good stable moral compass for any body when it comes to relationships. I know some people hate the argument that "oh its hell" but I mean it's right there and hell isn't far from the place of standards of good stable anything. I think the whole point of the story between Stolitz and Blitz is that so many things are dysfunctional between them THAT behind all that and deep down they do want a genuine relationships with each other. It's just that their are so many complications address within in the story that they aren't even close to full express that. On the surface to Blitz , he feels is nothing more then a sex object to Stolitz and Stolitz, because of his status doesn't want to full go through his feelings due to causing anymore problems the the family that he already did.
I'll be honest I was intrigued in what you had to say. Still am and I like seeing a new view point helping me see new facts I need to realize. Another thing I just realized that your hands for your stills have gotten better good job!
In my opinion, quite frankly, a lot of their relationship since I don’t think blitz consents to a lot of it it seems like SA and I know that’s like a big jump from a toxic relationship to that, but it really doesn’t seem like it like that therefore, he may not have consented to it before it happened so possibly it is SA
Who thinks in their right mind that Paimon was a good dad? I'm a cishet and I think he is the tipical negletful and horrible dad. His design is perfect, but his personality is aweful.
I feel bad that it needs to said something is an *opinion* in these kind of discussions nowadays. It really shouldn't be that way. Anyway, had a good watch. Thank you for sharing.
Lol, I can't with Manga's goofiness. I love it, another great video