LDV T60 Max 10,000km Owner Review. MISTAKE? Or should you buy a Chinese Dual Cab Ute in Australia?
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Just rolled over 10,000kms in the LDV T60 MAX Ute last week so thought I'd do a car owner's review of what I personally like, dislike and have experienced with the T60.
It's known internationally from Saic Motor Corp Ltd. as a Maxus T90 and and goes hard in places like Malaysia as an MG Extender but here in Western Australia I bought it as an LDV T60Max Luxe in late 2022. On Road and Off Road, it's been 4wding on various 4x4 tracks and ODA, towing and used as a daily all the way up to 10,000 kilometres or 6,200 miles if you're watching from the US.
When buying the T60 I looked at the other Utes in this segment and found them to be all fairly competitive but the T60 was the Ute of choice for me, only pipping the Mahindra 4X4 PIKUP because of a few creature comforts and with the power it looked like I could have some fun. I also considered the GWM Ute Cannon and the Ssangyong Musso.
Naturally I also looked at the Toyota Hilux, The New Ford Ranger, Mitsubishi Triton and the Isuzu DMAX but couldn't personally justify the spend on these vehicles. Not when there's so much on offer at the lower end of the dual cab price range from China and India in the Australian marketplace right now.
Super keen to see what the Hyundai Santa Cruz does to the Aussie Ute Market soon too!
If you've got any questions for my first 2023 review for You Tube, ask away in the comments and I'll get back to you. And sorry no BTS on this video although there were plenty of mess ups.
Either way and as always, Thanks for Watching!
0:00 Intro
0:29 Exterior
2:15 Interior
4:14 On the Road
6:39 Issues
8:02 Final Thoughts after 10,000kms
10:29 Verdict Time
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Just got my New LDV T60 Max and so far could not be happier ❤😮
Thanks for you advise and your off road cander
Hey that’s cool, congratulations! Did you get the 2023 with all the flares and sidesteps etc?
They’re a nice bit of kit.
135000 k had no problem at all with this work ute,I’ve got at least a tonne in the back,tray back,love the ute,can’t wait for the next one
That’s good to hear! Lots of people seem to be getting into the T60 as a commercial vehicle. I’m seeing them around a fair bit now.
Thanks for watching and commenting.
Appreciate this!
High respect to the host for having the patience to diplomatically reply harsh comments thrown here. Chinese brands are certainly learning fast but in most developed countries like Australia, aftersales it seems is still down to the dealers. For countries where consumer rights is as strong as melted candy, having a responsive distributor is the only way for the brand to move forward. The real issue with Chinese brands is that we do not have any strong evidence of user history. It is not all about the products, but aftersales, responsiblity for recalls and advancement in technology determine the longevity of any automotive products. Of course unless you have a bunch of consumers who believe cheap products are the best in the world and other brands are just suckers for having high prices.
Thankyou. And you’ve hit the nail on the head! In an original edit I had a segment on choosing your dealer before the car because after sales support is important. I’ve got a great dealer and service department who make me feel welcome. They’ve taken me out the back and shown me under the car on the hoist so I understand more. Great team. So after sales is sorted well for me. Choose your dealer is my message!
Time will tell with these young motor corporations around recalls and updates. The improvements between models so far in LDV have been welcome, evidence of them learning fast. But yes without mass consumer use learnings will be limited and based more of imitation than information.
I think there’s also going to be an element of those who are fed up of paying the high prices of Japanese/Taiwanese built dual cabs. Personally I’d love a big 79 or a Y62 patrol, one of those RAMs would look good in my driveway too. But in the meantime, I’m having fun in the T60.
Thank you for watching, reading and commenting. 🙏
Well I am not sure there are many brands in Australia covering themselves in glory when it comes to customer service...... Toyota with Hilux had huge DPF issues that remained unaddressed for years and then there is Jeep which has a God awful history of treatment of its customers and then Volkswagen lied about pollution and the Ford Fiesta gearbox was a disaster that took years for Ford to address....... apart from that all good😢.
Chinese cars are so cheap that good after service is not possible. Buy one and see for yourself. Toyota and a few big companies at least look after in some ways and fix issues.
Chinese technology is copied or bought, most likely. Ssangyong company sold to India and sold to China, then Korea company got it back. Everything will be cheaper to compete with other companies, which is the only way. Chinese cars won't at last. Do you see any old Chinese car on the road. But there is old Toyota or even old ssangyong musso on road.
Great review, enjoyed it, good to hear from a happy owner
So far so good. It’s been a lot of fun.
Thank you and thanks for commenting.
Anything will an LDV badge that’s 2019 or below will rust away in no time stick… however since then they have addressed this and have really stepped up their game in the way of quality and build. My wife has a 2022 g10 and next week I will finally be taking ownership of my brand new T60 max which will be replacing my poor tired old 2012 ranger XLT
Yeah the rust issues seem to have been resolved now which a great relief! 😅
Bet you can’t wait to get the new T60! Sounds well earned and I hope you enjoy it! 👌
OMG.
Mate I’m Mullewa just got one and loves it.
Was curious, started watching your 10,000 review and thought the background looks familiar.
Probably seen you around.
Good review, a lot of car for the price.
Ahhhh, nice! I was out your way not long ago at the Coalseam. Some good bush camping spots out there that aren’t really too remote.
Thanks for watching and I’ll see you around!
I love the reviews absolutely. I am planning to buy t60 2023 max lux blue colour as I have always loved Ute. Thought of buying this. Just wanted to ask is LDV reliable for you if you maintain it well?
The blue looks fantastic! Very vibrant.
I use the T60 everyday for work and family duties during the week. And as you can see around the channel on the weekends I get it going off-road.
Aside from the issues mentioned in the review I’ve had a wheel weight fall off, needed a re-balance and I’ve got a replacement belt on the way as mine squeaks when cold.
However, it starts every time and drives wherever I point it. Recently it drove 4 hours, 400km to do 6 hours of off-roading in the Julimar State Forest before driving the return 400km back home in the same day.
It’s reliable enough for me!
Jump onto some of the Facebook groups for the LDV T60 though. There’s a few people with some issues but I think majority would agree it starts first time every time so far!
Glad to see positive reviews im getting myself into a t60 luxe around march/April when the new facelift comes out, took a current model luxe out for a test drive and for what you pay they are pretty solid and the power from a 2 litre was my biggest selling point along with value for money
Have you seen the interior on the new model? Phwaaar! Much improved. Congrats!👌
Thanks for watching and commenting!
wait, so there is a new t60 coming out? the only result that came out when i searched was a e60 that looks has a cybertruck looking ish
@@user-rw6lp3vj5v Sure is, refreshed interior, few more safety features, coils spring rear suspension.. so worth a look! 😁
Search Dicey Ricey Offroad on Facebook. I put a post up there about it a couple of weeks ago. 🤙
Hey Ricey, just a comment for the algorithm mate. Solid review, as part time second camera operator and occupant of the drinkers side, I can't think of anything you missed. Other than the fact the glovebox barely opens enough to get a fat hand in it lmao. Still, fits a 2way and an owner's manual in there I guess. 😂
Haha, thanks! Yeah the glovebox is basically storage for the manual. I’ve got the 2 handheld UHF’s and a spray on sunscreen and that’s about all she wrote.
Like what I heard here. I just brought the 2023 Mega tray luxe two weeks ago and am a big fan so far, and glad to hear good things about it 😊👍.
I’ve seen a couple with the big tray! They look great, I hope you get some good use out of it!
Great review 🤟🏻
Thanks! Saw some clips from up north. Big trucks up there hey? No balls though?
Thanks for the wonderful review, very detailed and on point. Also big thanks to other commentors with their feedback ❤
Howdy, thanks for watching and commenting yourself! 😁
The interior is very well thought out, touch pad is musch smarter for offroad vehicles, no switches or dials to fix in the future
Feels well thought out. Everything to go from A to B is where it should be. Although if you want to get into some more of the fancy stuff it’s hidden away in the entertainment menus.
I like the tactile stuff in cars these days.
Thanks for watching and commenting.
nice to see Geraldton in all its glory.
thanks for that i was trying to place it, looks a bit like busso in parts!!
U do have a 7 year warranty reasonable price pleasent looks that Dash mat would be one of the nicest fitting Ive seen i use to buy and sell them 20 years ago great video 👍 nice, colour choice cheers Stephen 🤠✌️🍀🐎
Hey Stephen, thanks for watching and commenting!
The warranty is one thing but I tell you what, you’re on the money with the dash mat! 😂 I love that thing! Makes it feel much nicer in the cabin. 👌
This one does seem a lot better than the 2020 models. My work has about four and I've driven all of them. With the 2020 model there are alot of issues 1. Suspension ruff as guts my tack use drift car is more comfy lol. 2. Rust all over them on all of the t60's we have everyone of them has rust luckily the dealership has taken it under warranty just waiting to be fixed. 3. We had 2 loose a turbo within 50,000. Headlights from factory they are wound up to the highest point making other drivers blinded which can be wound down to fix though but high beams are non existent. And the one that annoys me the most every time you turn the car on the radio goes to 10 which is loud. We have had other issues too that I cant remember right now. But its good to see they have fixed some of the issues with the newer models at least
I’d heard and read a few things (issues) about the earlier model, in particular the models before the trail rider and TR2.
I reckon the next generation of T60 will be the one to watch. Chinese car companies, especially SAIC, have evolved fairly rapidly between generations.
Keen to see what happens over the next 5 years with the auto market in Australia. Hopefully it’s for the best!
Thanks for watching and commenting.
Very good review. Can you explain the 'Android Auto' adapter? Thx.👍
Thankyou. 🙏
Regarding the adapter, as shown in the video I’ve got Apple car play so I can’t explain the ins and outs of the adapter from experience. However, I’ve seen a number of people state success online using this one: smartworldcompany.com/en-au/products/cp-aa
And regarding the setup and connection for it: th-cam.com/video/sy6LnNSdrsU/w-d-xo.html
Hopefully that helps explain it somewhat. 😁
Someone needs to do a cheap ute showdown comparison between the SsangYong, GWM and LDV please!
💯
That’d be very helpful for potential buyers doing research.
Not sure if I can make it happen but I’ll try. 👌
Great review , thinking of getting one . But would love to see how they go on sand
I’m getting the feeling I should do a sand related video. 😅
th-cam.com/video/s53neayijl8/w-d-xo.html Taadaa!
A beach review would be great thanks mate
Can do! There are beaches coming out the wigwam where I live so I’ll be sure to hit some of them up and bust out the cameras!
DiceyRicey your the man
th-cam.com/video/s53neayijl8/w-d-xo.html Taadaa!
I like the grill on the LDV it reminds me of the face of Cylon from 1978 Battlestar Galactica all it needs is a red light moving from left to right in the headlights
Had to search for that reference! Spot on though!
Maybe I’ll have to do a mod, although I think I might run into trouble with the law if I have red lights facing forwards.
More like the google maps pin !
Once you picture it you can’t unsee it lol
Has it started rusting away yet? Or did SAIC take on board the QCAT judgement that called out the T60 being made from "poor quality materials". (their words, not mine)
Howdy, thanks for commenting!
Hmm, don’t quote me on it but I’ve read that previous models and makes coming from China were utilising recycled metal which could have impurities that in turn could cause rust. That’s how rust was forming underneath the paint.
The rust issue with the T60MAX does not seem to be present. Personally I still go for a search around my car for rust or bubbles on the regular (#paranoid) but there’s nothing to be seen! 🤙
I’ve got a video coming out in a couple of weeks about oxidisation and corrosion. Check back then if you’re interested.. or Y’know bust a like and subscribe.
I mean, with the amount of sand driving I do.. surely I’m opening myself up to corrosion right? Could be worth being a viewer to see where the T60 ends up! 😁
Just done 10,000k, I love it. I tow a 27 foot 5th wheeler it does it on it's ear. One major problem I've incurred. Drove home from up town shopping, wheeled into my garage and shut her down. Turbo cooler fan kept running even though it wasn't even warmed up from such a short run, but they all do.
IT THEN CAUGHT ON FIRE AND DESTROYED EVERYTHING FROM THE DASHBOARD FORWARD.
Signs of the centre of the blaze showed to be at the driver's side front corner at the turbo cooling fan.
Is this news?
Norm
Yours wasn’t a white T60 was it? I did see recently some posts online about two T60’s that did have fires. One was customer wiring 😬 but the other I couldn’t find anything on. It was white though. Yours?
@@DiceyRicey mine not white, what was the outcome with LDV? Mine is very current, two weeks ago
@@user-kw6jb2uq8t you peaked my interest and I see yours was a 2020. That must’ve been pretty full on!
I’ve seen LDV replace vehicles before so it wouldn’t be the first time. At least on FB posts and news articles online.
Get your insurance to get stuck in with the LDV guys. If the cars at fault surely there’s grounds for replacement. 🤷♂️
@@DiceyRicey forensics have investigated and didn’t draw a conclusion. It’s 2022 11months old and I still love it
I bought 2023 T60MAX LUX recently. This video is very good review for me. Thank you 😊
Nice! Got to say the 2023 model looks the part. Enjoy and thanks for the comment.
@Sunny Any update on the car so far and how much you bought it for? I am planning to buy it soon.
Hi Dicey, one question and I think its important, has the body as a hole been hot dipped Galv treated to stop rust?
Great question! I don’t know the answer yet. I’ll see what I can find out and circle back to you this week.
Well, it’s been a week and I’m afraid I haven’t been able to turn anything up yet regarding galvanisation on the T60.
I’ve not received a response from Ateco or LDV however the dealer is going to check with the rep.
I used AI to search the web for galvanised body and chassis on the Ldv T60 Max. It initially turned up results from Carsguide and drive where their reviews stated a galvanised chassis and body. However I could not find it myself.
Incidentally there appears to be only a few cars that are hot dip galvanised and I couldn’t find any details on hot dipped galvanising for say a Hilux. There does appear to be some form of non-reactive coating on the steel under the car which would prevent moisture but only where it has been applied.
Interestingly I found an article dated March 20, 2023 by Neerav Bhatt, that states that all MG cars in Australia are “fully galvanised”. With MG and LDV both part of SAIC motors, perhaps there is some level of electroplating going on.
That article is here: www.bhatt.id.au/blog/mg-australia-confirms-current-range-of-cars-fully-galvanised/
In conclusion, I’m still searching.
i have a 2021 lux just turned 10000klm , i own triton before and found t60 to be great going anywhere hills of road track , i call it my go anywhere car
They’re pretty good for getting offroad and having a hit of fun!
Thanks for watching and commenting.
Ive got a 2023 since end of April and have already done 32,000ks in it. Only drama I have had was a heater hose split and spat all the coolant. The heads up display gave me a warning and LDV organised a tow truck to their shop. I highly rate mine, but that lag when you go to take off from stop is annoying as. Reckon I will put a throttle controller on it to try and resolve, but it has heaps of power and great efficiency.
They go alright, that’s for sure!
So was that a radiator hose that split? I’ve heard of this happening on the 2.8L but not the 2.0 yet.
The throttle controller helps a fair bit with that throttle delay. There’s also some tuning going on out there for both the engine and transmission.. warranty voiding though.
Keep enjoying the power and thanks for watching and the comment! 🤙
@@DiceyRicey yeah a radiator hose split but the car sent me a warning about to coolant reservoir being low and I found where it was leaking.
Will keep you informed of how I’m going as I am wracking up the Ks in mine.
I'm going to pick up mine next week
Awesome! Congratulations in advance! 👏
What colour did you choose? There’s some banging colours out there.
Where do you get your recovery points and bash plates from
Too easy!
Bash Plates: www.boosbashplates.com.au/products/ldv/#content-content-inner
Recovery Points: ozi4x4.com.au/products/ozi4x4-red-recovery-points-suits-ldvt60-2017-2022
Taadaa!
Need a towing video 😊
Absolutely! That’s taken me a bit longer than expected to organise but it’s coming and I’m excited!
In the meantime, check out Bonkers on TH-cam. He’s got a couple of T60 Towing videos over there.
th-cam.com/video/Desj9P-_fes/w-d-xo.htmlsi=s6FPyWx5RACeNXLA
Thanks for watching and commenting. 🤙
I have a 2023 with the steps, back bars and roof rails. Got a luggage box up top and it's absolutely awesome. Done massive towing on it with a fully loaded and heavy 6x4, loaded tray, roof box and back seat over 900km and it didn't miss a beat. Really in its element when towing 👌
Nice! You got the sexy version! Have to admit I was concerned about the 2.0L towing but needlessly! Keep on enjoying it!
Looking forward to putting a caravan on it hopefully in September school holidays. Will keep you posted!
I will add that the fuel economy when I did tow that enormous load over 900km returned a fuel average of 10.4L/100 which is absolutely ASTOUNDING!! And that's WITH the air con on the entire time
@@dsamusic5043 I approve this comment! I’ll be hooking up the camper trailer in September and doing the same.
Any issues with rust? Are you close to coast? I like these, but live on the beach 🤷♂️
G’day mate, I live in a coastal town and have had some rust yeah but not in the panels.
I tagged you in the video I did on rust. 😁
@@DiceyRicey good stuff. Because I saw that court case where they were ordered to refund the customer the whole purchase price and thought it must have some major rust and paint issues. I already have a rusty landcruiser 25+ years, an 80 series and thought I wonder what I could replace it with in due course
@superwag634 yeah the previous model had some panel rust going on due to impurities in the metal used.
That’s been fixed in the recent T60Max model which is the one we’ve got.
Probably worth getting some Endrust protection on the chassis if you’re doing lots of beach driving, otherwise mines been a good thing so far. 😃
Great review, what’s it like on fuel.
LDV released an EMS update for the T60 Max which reduced the hesitation off the line. As a result, I’m sitting on about 9.7L - 9.9L/100 now.
I’ve done a towing video on the channel too if you’re interested in the towing fuel usage. 😁
I have a 2021 model T60 and its been pretty good.
Glad to hear it! There’s plenty more accessories available for those models too!
@@DiceyRicey Yeah got a bullbar, spotties, winch and CB radio. Will be getting rock sliders soon. They are just getting made up atm.
@@josh101911 yeah nice, getting to be a rig then! You can come and get me when I get stuck.
What apdator do you need to get for using Andriod auto
Howdy, it’s a wireless adapter that I’ve seen success stories with online from android users. As I myself have an iPhone I’m unable to vouch personally for the product, only that it appears to work a treat.
The product is: smartworldcompany.com/en-au/products/cp-aa
And a guide on how it works: th-cam.com/video/sy6LnNSdrsU/w-d-xo.html
Hopefully that helps.
How many years warranty and roadside assistance??
Howdy,
My ‘22 model has 5 years warranty however the current ‘23 has been increased to 7 years.
Regarding the roadside assistance, it’s got the same duration as the manufacturer’s warranty.
Roadside Assistance: s3-ap-southeast-2.amazonaws.com/assets.i-motor.com.au/ldv/brochure/LDV_RoadsideAssistanceBr_V3.pdf
Just bought 1 pick up 2 weeks. Spoke to the sales guy about the lag. Apparently new software updates. All solved
Yeah I’ve had the EMS update on the T60 now and it almost eliminates that initial hesitation.
Much nicer drive for sure! Congrats in advance and hope you enjoy the new rig! 😁
Spray on liner to hide all the rust underneath!
Yeah possibly! I guess I’ll find out one day when I jump in the back and my foot goes through the tub. 😂
Thanks for watching and commenting.
Ok so we're did you get the dash mat
If you get it turned you can get 230kw out of it my 2023 model has been turned
Howdy, thanks for watching & commenting.
Dang! 230kw? That’s a big improvement, that must be mental to drive!
Got the dash mat from the LDV Dealer. Makes it feel a little nicer in there. 👌
@@DiceyRicey yes it's great to show off
@cougartpt793 😂😂 Nice! 😂😂
@@DiceyRicey you can get 310 out of it as Max power you only have to buy new diffe and gear box
@@cougartpt793 My head says no but the rest of me says 310 feels like something that should be done. 😂
I noticed that you're close to the ocean, so I'd be interested to know if you've had any rust issues, i.e. if you've noticed any traces of rust in the more concealed parts of the ute's bodywork, especially where panels or body parts are bolted together. There was a recent story doing the rounds in the media where a GWM ute owner living close to the ocean, with all the salt in the air and whatnot having brought to the surface the substandard undercoating and rust prevention manufacturing treatment on his vehicle. Chinese car brands, by virtue of their short history in the Australian car market, play the underdog card, so I'm curious to find out if their recent popularity is proof of their true value for money, or an act of rebellion from the Australian consumers tired of all the crap more established badges have been able to dish out because of lack of decent competition. On the face value of it, your positive review should make the rest of us think twice about still doubting the Chinese brands, but is your experience the norm or the exception? Have these new brands, like LDV and GWM, gotten their basics right yet, or is their aggressive pricing still masking basic problems? In the case of the dissatisfied GWM ute owner, his dealer's dishonest attempt to deny him his consumer rights is what had brought the story to the public's attention in the first place, whereas you dealer seemed to have been ready to remedy your ute's issues without any fuss, so this naturally raises the question of how good and willing are the Chinese brand's dealers, in general, at resolving any after-sale quality control issues. Your review is welcomed, but single-handedly having taken on the responsibility of becoming an unofficial brand ambassador is not without risks, especially if owning an LDV turns out to be a very different experience for others who then may turn around and not only unfairly dispute the validity of your review, but also question your integrity, and that's a very big burden to take on your own.
Howdy thanks for watching and commenting.
Regarding rust in the panels, roughly a week before doing the bulk of the footage in this review I cleaned and did another ceramic coat. I did not notice any rust in any of the panels. However, when I fitted the Bash plates there were a few oxidised bolt heads which I replaced with stainless steal and I noticed oxidisation on two weld spots up the front of the vehicle. I’ve looked into rust protection which would be advised by most dealers around here and was advised by mine, I have yet to apply it. I didn’t observe any rust corrosion though.
I’ve mentioned a few times online that the dealer is as important as the car. The aftersales support I’ve had from my dealer has been great. They’ve been responsive and positive throughout so my issues that I’ve raised have felt minor. Choose your dealer when you’re buying a car has been my suggestion.
Are people likely to have a different experience to mine? Sure! This is a review of my ownership of the T60 and I reckon a few people would question the integrity of my review and that is probably wise. That approach will only lead to more research and a more informed experience for them.
So yes to surface oxidisation at this stage, choose your dealer when you choose your car because after sales support is important and treat this review as a piece in the research puzzle.
Hopefully that helps a bit?
Chances are the engine or gear box will fail on these Chinese cars before the rust hits, for 37k you would find a good 70, 80 or 105 series Landcruiser or a GU/GQ patrol you can find all of these in a chopped ute or factory ute on some and will last 10x longer than Chinese crap and still have some beer money left over and the warranty on Chinese cars isn't worth the paper its written on. I live on the beach about 50m away from the sand and the older 4wds have a lot less rust than the newer 4wds thicker panels proper rust treatment. My old 4wds have minimal rust issues and all have over 400,000km on them and any rust they get is easy to remove or get fixed by a professional. Places me or my neighbours have worked for have cheeped out on theses Chinese utes or similar shit utes like tritons, rangers or Colorado's if your a small business owner or looking for a decent 4wd that will still be running in 5-10 years time and be reliable get something that will last if your looking for a tax write off get a cheap Chinese piece off crap.
@@micktaylorwolfcreekmechanical why buy a clapped out 4wd that’s done over 300 thou caus that’s what you be paying for , caus it doesn’t fit in with the norm .forever repairing it at least he gets a decent warranty up to date mods .get a GRIP
@@waynedavis9397 Clapped out lol these old 4wds were made to last mate I have a GRiP, I can do oil and filter changes for under $30 every 5,000km (new cars capped services at $700) other than changing diff gearbox transfer case and engine oils and coolant the only parts i have replaced are a cv joint or 2 from wheeling it hard. basic maintenance and these old 4wds will go for ever. 300k on the clock is nothing these old 4wds will easily get 700k-900k and good luck with a warranty on a Chinese made 4wd or finding parts for them and forget about parts that fail in remote areas just hope the warranty covers tow fees and accommodation when your stuck for weeks or months waiting on parts. with any old Toyota or Nissan you can go to any wreckers in the country and find parts to get you home. for 37k ide rather spend it on fuel n beer and drive around in a old 4wd travelling the country for a month a year and doing a 2 weeks on a cruise ship every 6 months for 5 years than buying a chinese ute would have more fun and in 5 years time my old trusty 4wd would still be good for another 5 years of doing the same
Dont tell porkies buddy , my Triton has clocked 370,000ks with only minor issues , they are very good utes . @@micktaylorwolfcreekmechanical
sorry if I missed it, you mentioned an actuator flap. I know what an actuator is and i know what a flap is ? but what flap are you talking about? :) cheers
Hey there, what I think I was poorly referring to there was the exhaust flap which is roughly half way down the exhaust tract.
My limited understanding is that it’s an acoustic flap that moves depending on the flow of the exhaust to reduce noise. An actuator controls the flap.
Mine squeaked on deceleration. Following lubrication on the flap the squeak is gone.
Hopefully that helps clear up my imaginary “Actuator Flap”.
@@DiceyRicey Thanks for clarifying. Well, you wer right, it's a flap which is electronically actuated, just didn't know what you were talking about considering it's not a plane ;) I'm still on the fence regarding a Chinese ute, but money talks so you never know. Thanks for the content. Cheers
my ex missus had a actuator flap a dozen pumps n ya lifted the legs n the flap farted was like chucking a sausage down the hallway trying to hit the sides
Have you got a video of how it tows yet??? 👌
Howdy 🤠 I’m afraid not just yet. Plans were made and then promptly undone.
I’ll be getting stuck into some offroad towing soon enough though. Also some On road towing however nothing long distance yet.
What we’re you hoping to find out? Perhaps I can make sure I cover it? 😁
I was just interested to see how it performs mate that’s all, looking to a new ute soon but I’m stuck between the T60 Luxe and the GWM Cannon L/X , Cannon just seems more refined and safer but obviously doesn’t have the power that the LDV does. The local dealer in my area that had GWM was dropped just before the Cannon came out so my closest GWM dealership is now two hours away which is a real pain but we do have a local LDV dealership so that is pointing me towards LDV… stuck between a rock and a hard place 😂
@@rossfranklin2782 Ooh yeah, the GWM definitely has more tech and a nicer interior but it is, as you say, down on what is becoming the power standard for 4 banger diesels.
I think at the moment with Chinese vehicles it’s important that you have a good dealer and one that’s close. Time and time again I see online people having a poor experience with these Utes because the dealership isn’t fully invested.
It’s disappointing to see but it’s not been my experience. I reckon if your LDV dealer is local and good, you’re sorted. If you’ve got any dealer near you and they’ve got a bit of a reputation.. maybe longer distance isn’t a bad thing.
I’d say test drive them both. Look at them parked up. Drive them at speed on a highway or the like and whichever one you feel you like the most, buy it! Both these Utes are great value for money.
@@DiceyRicey Thanks for your feedback mate, I think I will go down the LDV path for the fact that how close the dealer is and how far GWM is.. haven’t checked out Ssangyong yet either though.
Thanks mate nice review, I have just brought a 2nd hand22 LDV pro with 32Kkms, as a spare car, haven't drove it much but for the 28K it isn't a MASSIVE outlay. I've had a RAM1500, BT50's and very smoky D22 Navara's and for the money this thing fits the bill. My BT had a replaced auto at 15000 and a friend cooked an engine at 80000 so tales of woe are common on all ute's its just the trolls don't talk about those. All vehicles have a vast amount of chinese components these days and for all those china fobes I'm unsure where you think most of your non food items come from??? WRT my RAM1500 great ute, for a tank but for $90K the technology is still 2010. I could of got a rough 2015 BT, Ranger, 15000kms+ for the same money but they won't have 4yrs warranty remaining.
Hey there, thanks for watching and commenting!
They’re definitely a value proposition with the other dual cabs that are on the market at the moment. I’m enjoying the heck out of mine!
I have to know though, how’s the RAM go? No idea what attracts me to them but I feel like it’s a necessary vehicle to own in a lifetime! 😁
I had a Quad RAM for 2 years, dragged a 3ton CV around Aus twice and we only got rid of it when we wanted to go the MotorHome option. Towing, the RAM was perfect 20lt/100 and around town it was 12lt/100. Off road we did a lot of soft sand stuff and it never got bogged even on standard tyres. And were talking Jurien Bay talcon powder sand not the compact stuff that you can drive a Falcon on. Only off road issue is its slightly wider than the general tracks so your always heading across cambers and getting scratched on tight tracks. Only mechanical issue was after getting a bar fitted they (off road animal) didn't seal the bulk head properly so water was getting onto the main ECU under the dash. The truck was out of commission for a bit of time because it took a long time to find the issue, ie: it only happened after it rained and we live in WA. Would love another one but $85K for a 2018 is just too much is we arn't going to use for towing. WRT the LDV T60 MAX I gather your just leaving it in Auto for most soft roading?? also does the hill assist work OK another review couldn't get it too work. Im sure the RAM o phobes will be commenting on me liking my "American piece of crap" :)
@@markaustin602 4H and keep the box in auto for the easy stuff yeah.
I’ve left it in Auto a little bit but for the most part I put it in 4H. Rarely do 4L, it’s got plenty of torque and the flappy paddles on the luxe will hold a gear for about half a minute so it’s even more rare that I flick the T60 in manual.
Good to hear about the RAM. Now I want one more! 😂😂
Are you driving in Geraldton? WA
I sure was! 😁
Take the headrest in the middle of the back seat out so you can see more in the review mirror.
Had to look back through and see what you mean. Yeah I could’ve removed that to show the rear view a bit better.
In person though I can’t say it’s been something I’ve ever thought that it shouldn’t be there. Fairly unobtrusive.
Thanks for watching and commenting. 😁
100% illegal. Headrest must be in place for occupant safety.
Try driving thru an RBT with a vehicle inspection taking place at the same time. You'll be in a world of hurt with constable plod.
@@ianweal3081 maybe I’ll just leave it there then and not touch anything. 😅
Had to sub😂was an uncomfortable number
This is proof that not all heroes wear capes! Unless you do! Either way, Thankyou, it was 💯 an uncomfortable number!! 😂😂
The lag you speak of, is the exact same for the 2.2 litre Hyundai Santa Fe Highlander and thats a $70 grand SUV.
Ooof! That stings a bit!
@@DiceyRicey yes we run the Hyundais as fleet cars.
Which lag exactly?
@@paritdoshi9836 in the T60 there is an initial lag on acceleration. I’m told this is only in the Auto’s though. You can see it at 5:35
@@paritdoshi9836 from a standing start or low revs trying to go through a roundabout as an example, you put your foot down and nothing happens then all of a sudden sudden it will takeoff, its actually dangerous especially if your looking for that immediate clout
I heard from another review that they rust after 2.5 years
Hey there, thanks for watching and commenting.
The previous T60 had rust issues for sure, the current one does not have the same issue thankfully. Have a search on the channel I’ve got a video on LDV T60 Max Rust. 😁
I was thinking that it looks like Geraldton….
:)
It certainly is the western oasis of Geraldton! 👌
Tanks for good information. Thinking Chinese or Korean ute. Korea owns kia and Hyundai, and China doesn't have good brands. After service will be better on korea brand. Musso costs a little more but not much different.
Yeah the Korean twins introducing a Ute into the Australian market will be exciting I think!
They’ve got the dealer network all setup with trained techs and mechanics! Their parts supply chains are sured up. They’d be a cat among the pigeons for sure and I look forward to it!
Thanks for watching.
Kia and Hyundai are currently in a class action over faulty cars
Is this around their EVs? I’ve heard hits and pieces, haven’t really looked into it properly.
Many ev companies also have problems too. It is about how the company will deal with it. Also, it is important to know whether the company is able to pay out or not. They will fix the problem and will go on most likely, which most other companies do. Personally, I won't buy any ev car next 10 years or more. Ev cars are not much different from gas cars on environmental effects.
when they make a decent roobar I might get one
Yeah, it’s a bit barren out there for roo bar options at the moment.
Pretty keen on the VRS bar myself but that’s more for utility than protection as it does little more than house a winch and raise the approach angle a bit.
Fingers crossed we’ll see more options on the market as sales numbers increase.
I have the LDV the best towing UTE with 3.5 ton Best UTE every
Good to hear it’s good at towing!
I’ll be doing a little bit of towing with a 6M trailer soon. Getting it loaded up and then travelling 400kms. See what it’s like.
Hi thhanks for the reply i did do a dyno tune to my LDV 2019 to 160KW have fitted electric brakes and it tows amazing with a 6 m off road Austrack Camper @@DiceyRicey
@@barryreinecke5918 Fantastic! And that’s a pretty decent van! Great to see T60’s out there getting it done!
The biggest thing I am worried about the LDV is rust.
A valid worry for sure given that previous Utes from China have not had great treatments applied.
It’s something I have no experience with in the T60 Max thankfully.
There‘a been some chatter in the online groups about the paint quality being better on this mid life face lift, so that’s encouraging.
Time will tell as it always does with corrosion!
Thanks for watching and commenting.
The old ones had the issue. They changed the quality of the material used and protection.
@@lucasjohnston8159 Well that’s great news for me! 😁
@@lucasjohnston8159 thanks, do you have any reference to back this up?
@@JimmyNZC evidence? I can’t give you something directly but I have read that they have lifted their game in relation to the metal they were using and the protection they for using AND when I saw a dealer 8 months ago and asked about the issue. There is a warranty on it as well. I believe they used cheaper materials in the past 20-21 and changed their ways.
I have 2 x 2022 models and have kept an eye on them. My business works very close to the surf industry and to date have not seen any signs of rust / bubbling / signs of poor materials in relation to the metal. I think there has been a few law suits for that reason and LDV responded by changing their ways.
For the Aussie Tradie, we want to see 200,000 km with out major problems. 10,000 km is zip all km.
Yeah absolutely, 10k is a token review. For sure a long-term review would be interesting to see where the T60 ends up reliability-wise.
With a different engine & transmission to the previous model, I can’t even suggest projected reliability.
This is the part where I’d ask you to subscribe but I reckon it might be a while until I do a 200,000 owner review. 😅
I thought the same. My car has over 300,000km
This thing will rust from inside out...
I mean it might! 😅
This model has improvements on the previous though. So far so good.
Thanks for commenting though and feel free to subscribe and see if it rusts out! 😉
WTF is an actuator (6:47 mins) ... something to make your bowels go loose?
No no, my bowels remained in control despite my actuator flap issue.
I probably could’ve worded it better in the video.
The Actuator flap I’m referring too is the acoustic flap which is controlled by an actuator. It is a group of components that are part of the exhaust system. Located roughly half way down the exhaust under the T60 on the right hand side.
My flap, I should say the T60’s flap, was making a metal on metal squeak which I referred to in the video as an “Actuator Flap”.
So, no loose bowels. 👌
Would never consider buying a Chinese made vehicles. Glad people do to show company's like Toyota, Ford, Nissan, Vw, Mazda Isuzu that the consumer's will finally say enough is enough we are not going to pay thousands more for your upmarket trucks that are not really much better than the Chinese made vehicles.Never ending price gouging between them is astounding they think we are going to keep paying is beyond belief.
It’s mad isn’t it? And we keep paying!! It’s really given way to the Highway princess’ and mall crawlers that seem to be everywhere now. Immensely capable vehicles that will stick to mainstream beaches for the most part of their offroading life.
I’d be lying if I didn’t say I’d love a big 79 or a Y62 but I’m sure I wouldn’t be as enthusiastic off-road if I’d spent that coin!
I was in a similar thought camp about Chinese Utes.. the Great Wall steed confirmed my thoughts back in the day! Blergh.
But with the cost of the Utes out there nowadays I thought what better time to challenge my bias and check out a reasonably priced option.
Thanks for watching and commenting. 👌
Mechanicals not as good as Japanese ,they have rust problems from new and resale is low. If you can live with that then go for it.
Ah yes, they’re no Japanese engine although a lot of the mechanicals are German and I read that the engine is Italian. Probably not Lamborghini quality though unless it’s one of their tractor engines as the T60 does sound a bit agricultural.
Thankfully mine has not had any rust problems from new and their seems to be little rust issues with the latest models although the previous models have seen some rust issues for sure!
Currently Re-sale value for any car is very strong thanks to the long wait times, although a return to a pre-COVID car sales environment would see the value of these things drop considerably vs. something like a Hilux.
37k drive away it’s real value 37k will get you 2019 triton real boring with same engine
It's a great value proposition for sure!
Ahh the Triton. I've got a soft spot for Tritons. I had one as my first 4wd. It was mostly rusted out and filled with bog. 😂
My 1990 80 series was 37k drive away and 33years later its still going strong will this LDV T60 Max still be going like new in 33 years I doubt it, will it still be going good in 5 yrs I doubt it, can it handle a big lap of Australia every year for a month off solid off-roading for 30 plus years not a chance, will it do 1 big lap no way.
Gosh if my track record wasn't to get a new car every few years it'd be interesting to see if I could get 33 years out of it. Although I, like you, don't think it could do 33 years of off roading. They aren't there yet!
Regarding your 80 series, done any mods to it? Or have you kept it pretty stock? The older cars a great for modifying due to the low level of standard safety kit. For example, I'm limited to what sort of bar work I could install on the T60 because of the front and side airbag deployment. Also limited on lift height because of ESC. This applies to most modern 4WDs now, the mainstream brands have companies like ARB working on ADR compliant mods with urgency, but do you reckon with all the tech in 4WDs these days, especially with the incoming wave of hybrids, will any of them last as long as an 60/80, GQ/GU?
I'm not convinced that we'll ever see the likes of your car again.
@@DiceyRicey plenty of mods on the old girl
Or a new Musso for 37K is a much better ute from Korea
Sincere question, and I mean this respectfully. Do people give you shit? Just looking for an honest answer. We all know what this country is like. No piss take here and I'm also not suggesting you should care. Cheers, mate.
Haha they do a bit yeah.. for the most part though, I do offroading and the T60 does a great job, usually increases the level of respect shown.
Probably helps that I have this channel to show too. 😏
So really, I don’t get that much flack. It’s usually surprise I get from my 4x4ing peers. 👌
I’m sure there would be a line of commentators if the LDV ever let’s go when I’m off on one of my adventures though 😂😂
@@DiceyRicey That's cool. Thanks for the honest answer. I have a 2018 Navara I bought with low k's a year ago that is fully loaded and modded. In a town full of nice utes, EVERYONE stares at it and it's unusually beautiful but you know what? It's a piece of shit. It's been over-engineered in terms of mods and it's been an expensive nightmare. Further and perhaps most importantly, I don't trust it.
I have been looking at a brand new, top end stock Muso which is pretty well what I will get for the Nav. This led me to you for a T-60 comparison. I don't care what anyone says. They are both beautiful vehicles and so finely finished. I will be using it as a tow vehicle so you're kinda hooking me on the T-60. Cheers, man. Subbed.
@@Shilo-fc3xm A nav hey? Nice! Has it got the sick turbo whistle? Im a sucker for turbo sounds. The stock T60 hisses quietly which I like for now.
Yeah the Musso’s appear to have much improved their reputation. But for towing, in the current Gen T60Max, it’s a unit. Especially uphills.
Good luck with your decisions and parting ways with the Nav! Thanks for watching, commenting and the sub! 🤙
Well I must admit I’m surprised it got this far ….
Guess you can’t trade it in now cause it’s worth nothing but hey it was cheap…
Hope it doesn’t rust away by 20,000 km or next week …
That would be nice …
Just can’t understand why the neighbours crack up laughing every time they see me ???
Must be some Chinese envy I guess …
I’m also pleasantly surprised that it’s come this far. Certainly challenged my perception.
Thankfully it’s cheap and I’m not going to need to trade it in so I’m in a good spot there. Granted the point you’re making of resale value being low is realistic though.
I dropped some comments on oxidisation on some other video comments around my channel, subscribe if you’re keen to know as I’ll be doing some content on oxidisation and corrosion later this year… or next week 😉
I’m afraid I can’t help you with your neighbours laughing at you, I guess laugh along so they’re laughing with you? Give it Bash!!
I usually laugh at the idiots who pay $70k for a ute when these brands are doing the exact same thing for $30k less.
@@ashcosmo3854 I usually laugh as I drive by ldv’s broken down or on fire because people refuse to buy a quality vehicle…
Just sayin
@@batmanlives6456 You drive past LDV's broken down ? Can you point to the statistics that say LDV's are breaking down/setting on fire en masse ? Remind me again how bad the Nissan 3L diesel was ?
@@ashcosmo3854 there’s one case on the Gold Coast where the vehicle didn’t even get to the end of the warranty and it failed rego …
Chassis rusted out
Manufacturers won’t repair
Sold by Zupps in Queensland
Buy a triton
I do like a triton! Might get one next, never say never.
I had a triton back on the day, never got bogged. It was straight piped NA too so it was loud AF!
In the end it took on some biodiesel and blew itself to pieces which is annoying because it was the one and only time I lent it to someone.
And that’s the end of my triton story.
They’re good though. Haven’t had the chance to put a new triton up against the T60. Maybe I’ll go hit up my local Mitsubishi dealer! 😁
Thanks for watching and commenting! 👌
😆 is this the new hilux … no it’s not 😂
For those chatting about China, have a think about everyone dying in Gaza and Ukraine due to USA, NATO, eu stupidity. If you don't get it, find out. I'm not a fan of China, but geesh...
It’s getting pretty wild in the world hey? I have a feeling it’s been like this a fair bit throughout history.. it’s that always connected piece now that means we hear about it all and my gosh, don’t the opinions fly!
I’m also not immune from this.. I had some pretty strong opinions about Chinese vehicles before owning one. 😂
Naaaaa, I'll Stick with the new gen wildtrak
I was pretty excited about the new ranger, thought it was going to look like a mini F-Truck, not quite though.
Have you got one? What’s the centre screen like to use?
cheap chinese trash, i lost a fortune when i sold it, it was nothing but a head ache, you do get what you pay for !!!
Resale does bite a bit, have you thought of leasing?
If you’re into changing cars every few years, leasing is a decent way to do it.
Thanks for watching and commenting. 🤙
Do not buy my dad got one its a fucking lemon
That’s always a shame when that happens! What was wrong with it?
@Dicey Ricey
Had it 6 months the car would not recognise the key
Next the reverse camera stopped working they said 12 months for replacement still has not come.
First major service 1000 dollars no loan car and they struts on rear suspension need replacement already.
2 months ago door handle fell of so car can't be opened from the outside and tailgate now does not open.
Icing on the cake key fob won't register at all car won't start had to towed to the dealer. They said minimum 6 weeks because the fob needs to go to China for reprogramming?? And no loan car.
That is until my brother rang them and six weeks turned into 1 with a loan car.
The receptionist basically told my dad ohh well it's a process nothing we can do.
The tow driver said he tows at least 2 a week back to the dealership.
Also there is substantial rust forming on the driver's side door sill. Also chews up tyres like crazy.
And struggles to start in the cold often cranking for 5 seconds or more
My dad only drives on highways no offroad and no heavy loads I can't believe the terrible quality that's allowed into Australia.
@@danielolivieri1351 yeah that’s pretty extreme! At some point consideration needs to be made to replace the whole car I reckon! Sounds like the dealership wasn’t fully on board until your brother got involved. Good that he did though.
Aftersales support is worth shopping for when buying a car. We all hope we don’t need it but when we do, good service is worth its weight!
Well who knows what my future holds with the T60. I can thankfully say I haven’t experienced any of these issues so far.
I hope that it works out well in the end for your father and he gets a working vehicle one way or another.
Thanks for watching and commenting!
@Dicey Ricey yeah I think quality control is not there so you either get a good one or a terrible one and the fact they are attached to other mainstream dealers you have to wonder how much after sales support is in the budget
@@danielolivieri1351 sounds like your dealer is conning you... Any locksmith can reprogram a car fob. Shpuld always get a wheel alignment vefire you take the car from the dealer, they get outta line during the shipping process when they are clamped down on the ships.
😂 there is a good reason they are really cheap
😂 Many a good reason.
My favourite is SAIC buying technologies from German companies on the cheap because of the volume of sales capacity that SAIC has, then whacking their components into their chassis’ saving on R&D.
As opposed to in-house development that other companies utilise which then drive up the costs.
Absolutely Junk been through 3 of them at work
Wow! Three of them hey? What went wrong with them and what do you use them for?
@@DiceyRicey auto gearbox on one engine on the other two had them less Then a year didn’t do any real hard work in them either and just rust leaking when it rained. that said my neighbours has had one for a fair while and it’s fine but my experience I wouldn’t touch em
@@Not_secretly_an_Orc Oh yeah, I’ve certainly heard about the rust in the previous models being a thing. That sucks. Thanks for watching and commenting! 👌
I am sorry don't mean to offend just being honest. I would rather walk than to be seen getting around this piece of rubbish
Indeed and no offence taken! I figured the same but bought one to see if they were as bad as I thought. So far so good.. see if it’s the same at 20,000kms. 😅
Imagine how many pairs of thongs you could buy for 37k and the K-Mart pensioner thongs would be more reliable lol. My 1990 80 series was 37k drive away and 33years later its still going strong will this LDV T60 Max still be going like new in 33 years I doubt it, will it still be going good in 5 yrs I doubt it, can it handle a big lap of Australia every year for a month off solid off-roading for 30 plus years not a chance, will it do 1 big lap no way. They might be good for a apprentice for 3-5 years or 100,00kms but how many days pay ya gonna lose when its getting repaired or waiting for warranty parts when they fail
😂😂
Holden drivers used to say that about Hyundai and Kia... Look what happened.
Hey Ricey. Apart from the question about long term reliability especially driving it as any other (Japanese) 4WD owner would e.g. towing a caravan, 4 wheeling, sand driving, remote touring etc., I’d be interested in what you get on the resale of Chinese vehicles and hence, the depreciation.
Also, similar to Hyundai and Kia when they first came out, the early models were a bit ‘how ya goin?’ especially past around 50K kms (ala Hyundai Excel), I suspect that it will be quite some time before the Chinese cars prove themselves to be viable contenders in comparison to the tried and proven Japanese 4WDs.
Perhaps it’s already been done in TH-cam world but I’m looking forward to an owner of a Chinese 4WD doing a review in the midst or after having done ‘a big lap’ possibly even towing a caravan or camper trailer 😉
Any plans on the horizon for that Ricey?
i have that 2023 one
Nice! You got the sexy version! 🤩