Who Made the Stone Boxes in the Serapeum of Saqqara? | ATG Highlights
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- In the excerpt from Season 3, Episode 4 of the Antiquities Travel Guide, Dr. M and Natalie Hilder take you through the Serapeum of Saqqara and give you all the need-to-know information about who built it and when. Find out how old the stone sarcophagi are.
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Again, you have taken all the manufactured hysteria out of an ancient site while not undervaluing it. The Serapeum of Saqqara is described by so many channels on TH-cam as so mysterious and nobody knowing what it was used for, yet you have proven that documentation as to the purpose and the builders has been in front of everyone's eyes this whole time! Thank you for the video!
Archeologist have uncovered only 15% of ancient Egypt, yet they are positive as to how everything was done and its uses. If you think you know all the answers, and have only been presented a fraction of evidence, what does that say about you.? This guys just trying to throw it back to the standard academic theories of egypt which literally have not changed in a hundred of years. Its also odd how nothing built or uncovered in Egypt has any functional purpose...its all ceremonial and ritualistic.
@@bellyofthebeast6605 the guy climbs inside the box, shines the light parallel to the vertical wall that reflects the light in a such way that it is very clear mirror like flat plane, explanation: yeah done with sand abrasive polish
Just bc you are not skilled enough to do it does not mean the ancient were as well
@@PB-nn2dhgo watch Sacred geometry Decoded. He makes a liquid polish and pours it on granite for a glass like finish.
He didn’t prove anything. He just made stories up. There was never any bulls found in any of those boxes. They were all empty. There’s no proof, except for some graffiti crudely, scratched into the boxes, which obviously isn’t the same technology that was used to create the box. This is just a bunch of garbage lies to hide the truth. Those boxes weren’t made for Apex bulls. As there was never any bulls found in any of the boxes.
Your channel is significantly underrated. Thank you for your research and sharing with your travels with us, Doc.
I love the personal tours of these sites. Really helps put us viewers in the context.
Great video - we are happy that there are more grounded explorations of the site being posted to youtube.Thank you so much for referring people to our channel Dr. Miano!
This is really helpful. You've given us so much more context than the unsolved mysteries crowd. The other people don't tell us the time frames of these amazing works of art. Thank you!
Dr. M - I learned more in this video than I have done over the past 10 years!
I like your attention to all of the FACTS, and it all makes sense - no ancient Khemet, chanting or melting stones nonsense.
Some facts, but attention to detail? You serious? I'll ask again, if a wooden sarcophagus found in the oldest tomb was present with remains, but the later built tombs dedicated to the bulls was built after this fact.... Where are those sarcophagi? The remains? All the stuff? He barely spent 2 minutes on this area. So next comes the Serapeum and surprise surprise there's loads of amazing stone sarcophagi but only what 2 or 3 of the 20+ found have any writing and zero had any remains.... Where's the stuff? It's easy to diss the "alex jones's* who say bizarre theories we call can smirk at, but any objective adult would recognize there's lots of gaps here. Many questions regarding how they moved these boxes (as they were unfinished) through such narrow areas, then proceeded to shape them further and polish many of them with no sunlight? This had to take a very long time to accomplish, and leaving behind pretty much no stone chippings around of that extensive effort as well as adequate levels of soot or other evidence of how they could see what they were doing.... Those are pretty relevant questions. It's amazing to me how eager people are to give credit to people who clearly messed with the site with such large uncertainties. I don't deny Egyptians the ability to cut, move and shape granite. I don't deny ancient Egyptians their right of work on much of what remains. I do in fact objectify everything, and I don't believe the writing on the wall is the whole story.
I suggest the measurements of the pre dynastic jar made by engineers at a aircraft jet engine factory,I ensure you this bozo will never talk about it because the science is undisputed and clear that the ancient technology was way more advanced
th-cam.com/video/WAyQQRNoQaE/w-d-xo.html
Thank you for distinguishing between the Macedonians and the Greeks. More and more academics and historians are agreeing and writing about the distinct cultures. Some Macedonians were clearly Hellenized, but had their own thing going on.
Alexander the great's grandfather wanted to attend or compete in the Olympic games. He was told that barbarians aren't allowed. This shows that some (most?) Greeks did not consider Macedonians as truely Greek.
It makes me think of Scotland and England. An Englishman would tell a Scot something like 'you might be British, but you're not English'
Years later, after McAlexander conquered England and Europe, the Englishman would proudly call him an Englishman.
@@celsus7979 The hell is McAlexander?
@@celsus7979 Alexander I of Macedon participated in the Olympics almost 2 centuries before Alexander the great reigned. They spoke Greek, wrote in Greek, printed Greek on their coinage, etc since the first Macedonian kings
Alexander I is Alexander the great's great great great grandfather and lived during the Persian invasions of Greece.
@@celsus7979 No Englishman would call a Scotsman an Englishman, and if they did, the Scotsman would take it as an insult. The kind of dynamic you are talking about exists, but you are muddling it up a bit. It’s more that the English will talk down about the Scottish, until a Scott does something good, and then they’ll claim them as a fellow Brit.
@@willmosse3684 there's a better example with гиzzia, where any Ukrainian, Kazakh, Belarusian or Tatar suddenly becomes an огк if they get famous. Don't look up where Gogol, Repin, Bulgakov etc. were born, the empire takes all credit for minorities. Always. English just have more tact, I've YET to see people discussing Gandhi as British.
It's so refreshing to watch a video about the Serapeum without mentioning the Egyptians could in no way create the boxes without advanced machining tools or they must have reused the boxes created by an advanced lost civilization, etc. TY WoA.
Yes, but obviously the bulls were alien though. From the planet of the Apis.
Well, still waiting for someone to debunk that. Show me removing granite from the ground, transporting it and shaping it without the use of power tools. Just recreate one exactly the size and shape with perfect angles and edges. Do it by hand with the materials that were available to the Egyptians. You can't. No one can.
@mrq6270 I disagree, I remember Bayek saving one from poisoning and it seemed to be pretty normal. @@jenniferhoene7214 are you high? Antiquity used granite all the time, they didn't have STEEL, let alone electricity, and if you want to claim otherwise: PROVE IT. Show me ONE power tool, or any material other than stone and bronze used back then. You can't.
It's particularly thanks to your channel that I've been pulled out of the lies of the lost ancient high tech community. I feel silly for falling for it, but I had no knowledge on the subject at the time. I also really like your 3 hour reaction video to evidence for lost ancient high tech. I've actually watched it twice now, it's very well done. Hoping you'll make a second one someday!
Do you mind me asking what was your turning point?
Ditto.
Sad that ur actually getting fooled now, he still cant explain how they did it, he would never go to joe rogan or habe an open discussion with graham or bright insight
@@SWOTHDRAdat spelling ting dunn be hard, huh?
@@SWOTHDRA 10:21
Man, I'm really enjoying this channel
This video clears up a lot of questions I’ve had about the Serapeum. Finally!
Thank you for this presentation on the Serapeum.
I always learn something of significance...everytime!
It is a testimony of the quality of your work
Great presentation, but I really wanted to know the answer to the most burning question,, how did they make the boxes? I’ve been polishing a rough granite tile for 6months and it just will not look mirrored like the boxes! And it’s not staying flat!!?? I’d love to believe they were made specifically for each bull, however the precision / time to construct/ cost benefit would suggest otherwise. Thank you for the insight into manoeuvring and placement. I’m with you on that. It also appears that at least one box was forced open, only to find no bull. Ahh, a bull story 🫢
How many times must that question be answered....... Also there are of course different grades of granite representing a wide range of colors and "sheens" consistent with their mineral composition. If you notice you see sarcophagi at the Serapeum representing various colorations. Egyptian granite containing a lot of quartz/feldspar lends to its "vitreous luster".
p.s. - Apis Bulls being representative of living Gods were subsequently buried in a resplendent manner the same as Pharaohs. This made them a target for subsequent tomb robbers the same as other royal tombs/tombs of wealthy individuals where valuables would be found.
@@varyolla435 How did they manage to put it on those log wheels/rails?
So how did they get the granite blocks into the cave
How did they carve the boxes to such a perfect finish, in the dark,
Why has no full ox remains been found inside the boxes, why such a big box for a couple of bones, how did they get such parallel sides and square flat lids, why are all markings found on the boxes such poor quality vs the actual boxes constructed
You won't find answers from this moron, those blocks are PRE-SUMERIAN, Egyptians inherited the original site and the boxes, they are made of diorite and granite, some of the hardest materials on Earth, the precision of some of the cuts is mindblowing, we would struggle with 2024 computerized tech to replicate those giants structures. Nobody know for sure who made them and why. Egyptians and later others have tried (with poor and pathetic carvings in some cases on those boxes) to claim their construction but someone else made them, most likely between 6k - 12k years ago.
What a great video! I like the straightforward and to-the-point explaination. Please do more.
You have won me over. Thank you for your content. I appreciate you for sharing this wealth of information, to be able to think critically.
Most informative video I have seen on Saqqara. I learnt much today. Great job.
Love your channel!!! The fascinating information you give us - for example the whole explanation of the meaning of Serapes. I suspect you are underrated but hope your audience will grow and grow. Thank you for all your knowledge and insights!
Not that underrated at 161k subs 😅
I'd give my left nut for just 10k right now 😂
I'm a machinist and your pictures and video are fantastic. In 'most' other videos and images particularly from those trying to mystify people, they always show the same videos and photos which are different depictions. You can clearly see from the lighting in your camera videos that the surfaces are very fine but do have slight undulations in them. Certainly visibly not perfectly flat. There are actually very simple ways to make surfaces with abrasives very very flat, even in to the optically flat range. They didn't take that kind of time with these though. Other tubers repeat over and over again how "perfect" these boxes are. They're very good but no where near what some would have you believe.
Such a full-featured and comprehensive presentation. I love all the context you provide, especially all the details on the inscriptions that make it clear that it is all the work of the Ancient Egyptians (including under the Persians) and the Ptolemaic Egyptians, since they wrote about what they were doing.
Not as comprehensive as this measurement of a pre dynastic jar made by aerospace engineers showing that there was advanced technology that we don’t have today
th-cam.com/video/WAyQQRNoQaE/w-d-xo.html
It's so interesting how prevalent The Bull motif was to ancient cultures. The symbol even became the Roman letter A will still use today. Clearly the domestication of cattle was very important.
I've been watching a series on NatGeo about excavations going on in Egypt now. They are finding mummies & sarcophagi by the 100s in Saqqara, mostly from the later period. They even found an underground mummification center off of one of the shafts.
We don't come into contact will bulls anymore. I've seen a million cows but rarely a bull, and never up close.
Back then people knew how strong and dangerous bulls are by experience. A perfect symbol of power, no wonder they deified it
@@celsus7979 The reason you don't see bulls anymore is the same as the reason you see so few cows these days.
Big corporate farms took over most of the smaller family farms and housed the livestock in far greater numbers within buildings so that you rarely see them from the outside these days.
@@celsus7979 ...strong and dangerous *and delicious*😉
@@mnomadvfx Even when farming in open fields where cows can go wherever they want, you rarely see any bulls. I'm from Argentina, my dad and my uncle own a small breeding farm he inherited from an aunt, thou they rent the land to pros, they don't know how to operate it. The thing is, unless you breed several hundreds of animals, it's just way cheaper to buy semen and impregnate the cows artificially than to buy a good bull (they are super expensive). And even if you do buy one, I think artificial breeding is still the norm (you want to make sure every single cow that can be pregnant gets pregnant).
Absolutely BEAUTIFUL stone sculptures of the bulls themselves! Those should have a video in their own right.
Great informative video on the history of this fascinating ancient Egyptian site! Thanks!
Thanks for you sir,l love saqqara very much, l enjoyed to watch this as l am student in Tourism guidance from Egypt 💗🕵️♀️
I'm visiting the Serapeum on Wednesday, folks. Can't wait!
Excellent. Enjoy.
@@Eyes_Open cheers, bro
You both are great at this. Im hoping you guys do these trips for the next 40 years
Great video. Love your explanations-they're clear, detailed and informative. Thank you.
The Apis bull was very important to the Egyptians. They were seen as living gods and treated as such when they died so don't believe people who say "they wouldn't have gone to all that trouble making huge granite sarcophagus for bulls"...well they did. Rameses the second son Khaemweset thought the serapeum so important he lived there. Great stuff as always WOA.
The value placed on certain animals by the egyptians, and their respect for them, is illustrated by a story from roman times.
A roman sightseeing in egypt accidentally killed a cat, another sacred animal. He was beaten to death by an outraged mob...
@@celsus7979 Yup, cats were another sacred animal. Mummified cats have been found in many tombs. Not sure what their meaning was to the Egyptians though. Baboons were another one. King Tut has 12 painted on the wall in his tomb. One for each hour of night to protect the king on his journey into the afterlife.
@@dazuk1969more like they enjoyed killing cats and stuffing them.
Quote from master builder under Ptolemy II.
I completed the construction in 6 months and 5 days. [...] I ordered the sarcophagus of the Apis and its lid to be moved into the burial chamber [which took 1 month and 5 days]. On 7 days no work was being done, the remainder is 28 (working) days.[43]
I seem to recall it said once upon a time that the Egyptian craftsmen who worked in the Valley of the Kings did so for set periods of time. They would labor for a set number of days to then have time off. So contrary to what some assume it was not people constantly laboring day after day. As with today the Egyptian worker had a set "work week."
_"All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy"_
@@varyolla435 very true varyolla435 and a great point, the Valley of the pyramid builders state's they too had set shifts in gangs, they were also farmers working the field's with there families on there down times, what a remarkable life.
@@paulroberts7429 The Pharaohs - and temples by the way - maintained their own castes of workers. There are historical accounts in the form of tax records from ancient Egypt to indicate that by the New Kingdom period the largest landowners were actually = the priest caste. So even temples maintained groups of craftsmen who maintained what infrastructure was there and created what was needed.
As far as large public works however the Egyptian governmental system maintained = _"the corvee."_ So able-bodied Egyptians were required to work part of each year - perhaps as their way to account for their tax burden to the State - on public works.
They were maintained during these periods by the State which provided them onsite housing and their rations - I also seem to recall the Pharaohs maintained "State farms" which supplied the foodstuffs needed for said public works projects.
So Herodotus as an example wrote that the Egyptians rotated their workforce every 90 days. That would fit in with the corvee method of operation = a rotating seasonal labor force. In so much as some projects took years to complete it becomes plausible that the same individuals might labor on the same project several years running.
As such already being familiar with a given task having performed it before would ease the transition of workers. People experienced in transporting blocks from the quarry might be assigned again to such teams and so forth to insure continuity and decrease the amount of time required to train them.
So the workers here were likely salary workers who did this full time. They might however have been supplemented by seasonal help - if not in the temple than perhaps in the quarries which supplied these blocks. They would work under the tutelage of an experienced craftsman supervisor to do the "grunt work". It's "possible".
I just read that very information today in the Wikipedia Serapeum page, but I took note that that record does not say something very important, and that is that he ordered and accounted for the making of the vault itself. His account is written with the implication that it already existed, and everything was done to put it to use. That's a big difference.
@@redwoodcoastGood reply but you must also read that accredited builder of the serapeum Prince Khaemweset his tomb was found in the Serapeum the first chamber we knew that before it was discovered,the great chambers built under Psamtik I was the conqueror we have there testament of his enlargement, the Roman's ransacked and looted the Serapeum accounts for this also recorded, for people who say the large sarcophagi were empty the Apis ritual describes part consumption is a requirement, the serapeum is very well documented unlike other sites there is no Pseudoscience here just 4 thousand years of tough stone work, how did we cut granite and quartz before power tools 300 years ago for our royal palaces which still exist today 👍.
Thank you, Thank you, Thank you..... for including the "how-they-did-it" section.
It's a relief to know that there is common sense around!!
@@museonfilm8919I suggest the common sense of aerospace engineers measurements of a pre dynastic jar that are fantastic showing the advance technology of people way before of the Egyptian that we don’t have today
th-cam.com/video/WAyQQRNoQaE/w-d-xo.html
Astounding craftmanship, and no ancient high technology required.
everyone knows these were made by anti matter gravitational wave torpedos invented in the future by cloned Tesla and sent back in time as a publicity stunt by intergalactic neo-coca cola
Whenever I see comments about how this all would have been impossible without advanced technology I point to your channel. I myself used to be so openminded that I wanted to believe all these alternative theories. I'm glad to learn the truth now.
This is the best video of I have seen of the Serapeum, from start to finish.
Happy 4th of July 💙🎆🎇
Great channel, love it. It would be helpful to attach dates or "years before the present" when mentioning an Egyptian dynasty. Most folks (including me) have no idea what years a specific dynasty belongs in. Just a suggestion.
Thank you for another amazing video Mr. Antiquity King!
Just Fabulous!! Thanks for your assiduity and depth of information. Love your travel videos. Thanks again.
For some reason many other videos completely fail the mention the steala written by the Pharaoh explaining when & why it was built. Also the 1200 stone tablets with the names, dates etc doesn't get a look in. Its nice to have some factual bullsh@t free videos on ancient Egypt, on TH-cam. Really appreciate your time & knowledge helping to educate me on such a vast topic.
The LAHT crowd's Serapeum expert is Yousef from the Kermit school of mystical bullshit. You see him in all their tours of the site. He just parrots Dunn's LAHT nonsense to wealthy tourists who want to hear that stuff. I'm convinced he knows more than he lets on about the true history of the site but just tells his audience what they want to hear.
All the videos you see are from believers regurgitating his talking points. And of course they also want to protect their cash-cow by not entertaining the counter evidence.
People who seek to understand = study all relevant evidence to formulate plausible answers for what they see.
People who on the other hand already have some prebaked explanation = will cherry-pick evidence they perceive as supporting their supposed answers - while ignoring "inconvenient" evidence which does not as you alluded to.
Moral of the story: the "alternative" trash is obviously = the latter.
They form their assumptive narratives and then via confirmation bias and selective presentation only see what they want to see at the expense of what is actually there having already formed their conclusions in their minds. They are in essence = doing it backwards. Their preconceived biases shape what follows. 🤨
Very helpful. I (like others?) was under the impression that the Apis bulls were a breed, which made the whole tale of a burial hall for them seem ludicrous.
Bravo Dr. Miano! More please.
Great work, as always. Thank you for this.
I wonder why they built the entrances that way, was it because the serapeum was gradualy extended? Why not have a vertical shaft at a central space where multiple corridors meet, so you can avoid 90° turns?
As noted the temple complex was completed over more than a millennia. Also you must account for the bedrock. There are tombs as an example in the Valley of the Kings where corridors veer off in other directions because the workers digging the tomb appear to have hit areas of limestone which were deemed to be poor quality. Just as say gold miners follow the veins of ore so workers digging in the bedrock must follow where the good stone goes. Run into an area of poor, flaky stone and any tunnels you dig might collapse in on you.
Great summary.
I don't care what they tell you in school, that apis bull was a COW!
the diagram showing how to use the pulleys to move the sarcaphogus was great.
Interesting. Many cultures revered bulls.
That alot of Bull..........🤪
Thanks for a well researched video. Curious to know in how many of the boxes were Apis bull remains found?
Great show prof.
These are quite amazing ...
Great video as always thank you
Wonderful.
5:20
This require a dedicated content. This is literally the burning question.
He has a great video about stone working. th-cam.com/video/L3A_kItgymQ/w-d-xo.html
Wonderful!
Thank you for this content.
nice 👍 . Can you make a video on Mesopotamia and indus trade relations .
Dr M. Thanks for enlightening us. You gave explanations on the Apis bulls themselves, whereas the others just talked about the bull's shit.
Ha!
this is just mindblowing, thank you
maybe i missed your video on it, but what is your take on the discoveries made in Areni-1 caves (Armenia)?
Don’t believe this bozo,mind blowing is this video of aerospace engineers that measures a pre dynastic jar with the equipment they use in jet engines,the results demonstrated advance technology way before the Egyptians
th-cam.com/video/WAyQQRNoQaE/w-d-xo.html
It is all about believing things.
And they carved the boxes with popsicle sticks and sand... Source: Trust me I read a book bro.
On some level, I must thank the ancient technology cranks and crackpots for letting me know about this place to begin with.
A person who claims any sarcophagus here is "perfect" doesn't know what "perfect" means, and on top of that, they'd need to be both blind, and have no sense of touch.
Any individual can clearly see these are entirely hand made, and pretty rough, for the most part.
A rock surface does NOT need to be very smooth before it reflects light.
If you take a look at a modern granite headstone on a new grave, THAT gives you an idea of what "truly excellent" actually is - and the Egyptians never reached that level.
Because all they had was people, and not machines, to do the actual work.
You may need to be a specifc when you say "Perfect" or "Not perfect" is because this is a very fuzzy word, what is perfect for you could be awful for SpaceX
I always love stumbling upon crazy people who go "nah man, these were batteries for egypts goldem city lights."
Cause then I get to go "oh I never heard of these, lemme see what theyre actually about and the history of them."
I first encountered the serepeum on the unchartedX channel, I did a lot more research and found a translation of Mariettes papers on the Ancient prescence channel. having read it all I realised what rubbish Ben of unchartedX is feeding us. people need to widen their research. Dr Miano is the real deal.
Unfortunately, folks who follow UnchartedX assume that he has done all the research already. Little do they know that his research mainly consists of reading Chris Dunn books and repeating what the Khemitology spoofers tell him.
Check out the podcast he did with Ancient Presence. He gets badly exposed in the end. It's hilarious.
@@Leeside999 yes I saw it, hilarious, Ben couldn't wait to wrap it up 😂
@@alanmarshall4989 😆
What camera are you using, looks great!
Not a catacomb. Definitely a calfacomb.
😆
One of the most enlightening facts about the capabilities ancient peoples had with toying around with massive heavy stones, is the example that the Romans, being so impressed with the Egyptian Obelix, thought nothing of it and shipped some of them to Rome.
All manpower and wooden ships....they seem to got quite inventive during thousands of years playing with large rocks.
Absolutely. It also dispels the assumption on the part of the "alternative" schtick vis a vis so-called "primitive" cultures. Once man settled down into communities + began to use agriculture so as to have a stable source of food + created hierarchical government systems = the stage was set for advancement of human knowledge.
So the people who created these things were not some rando sitting in mud huts. These are the work of organized "castes" of craftsmen in the employ of others. They would be supplied room and board and subsequently could focus on learning and perfecting their craft + to pass that onto others. That would make them in essence: _"salary workers."_
Moral of the story: everywhere you have "need" today = you see someone supply that. Ancient Egypt was no different.
Because of their religious/cultural beliefs where they created an elaborate belief system around death and the afterlife we see they responded by creating entire industries to cater to that. So be it the fabrication of stone sarcophagi or statues or mummified animals for burial items/votive offerings etc. = there were dedicated workforces devoted to supplying that "need".
@@varyolla435 Egypt was also crazy endurable....they passed on knowledge for 3100 years?
That I can't think of a way to sculpt a 100 ft figure out of granite and drag it some couple of hundred miles to a more preferable location, doesn't mean the ancient humans had to use mind-generated levitation magic or call in the intergalactic cavalry.....they were damn clever and had a poop load of perseverance.
@@Iammrspickley Fortunately they were not dragging things long distances as you inferred. They rather simply built large barges and canals/harbors = and transported things close to destination.
People tend to overlook the obvious: Egypt existed primarily along the banks of the Nile - which flooded every year. Accordingly they would be forced to build their communities outside of the annual flood zone = compelling them to also have connecting canals/harbors for the innumerable amount of shipping they had to reach them. So they would have been experts in the creation of ships/harbors/canals to "geoengineer" their landscape to make it livable.
As an aside. Egyptian ships were "sewn together" using planks. This means that barges could literally be assembled to size based upon what was being transported - as opposed to trying to fit the load on a prebuilt ship.
Thus for a large statue or obelisk say they could assemble a barge hull with a flat deck in some wadi near the Nile when it was dry. Then creating ramps on both ends the object could be hauled up onto the deck = and the rest of the ship assembled around it. Then once the Nile flooded the area the barge could be towed to destination by other ships and the process reversed.
@@varyolla435 like you said....to me it wouldn't really make a difference if a object like that was to be moved 100m or 100km....I simply wouldn't know where to start....
That's part of the magnificent beauty of these cultures.....they were smart, found solutions and didn't stop for 3 millennia, and their monumental works are still there for us to see....that almost does feel magical. 😎
@@Iammrspickley _"Necessity is the mother of all invention"_ Thus when "need" arises = man can become incredibly creative to overcome any problems. Enough trial and error and he usually succeeds. Enjoy your day.
This is all really fascinating. One thing I'm having trouble with: At around 11:25, it says the quality of the sarcophagi is often "inversely proportional" to the length of time the Apis bull lived. So a short lived bull would have a nicer sarcophagus. I'm having a hard time understanding how this works. The video mentions that a sarcophagus takes a long time to make, but I'm not sure why the bull being shorter lived would matter. Am I missing something?
I stated that wrongly. How did I mess that up? I’ve listened to it a dozen times.
Good catch. He should have said directly proportional. Longer life, more time available to create a finished box.
@@WorldofAntiquity No problem, it happens to the best of us. Thank you for responding!
@@Eyes_Open Makes sense, thank you!
We’re 6 hours in….have the nutters shown up yet?
As an aside. The video of "less perfect" sarcophagi is illuminative for multiple reasons. First of course it shows the disingenuous presentation of the "alternative" schtick who make a habit of only presenting the best examples so that they can generalize and misrepresent what is actually there. As we see the sarcophagi are not "monolithic" in their presentation. Some are better made than others.
That then begs to query why a disparity of outcome?? The likeliest explanation is of course = "cost". Just as today whereby a contractor might obtain stone for some building from a quarry who cuts it to order and delivers it to the project = so temples and Pharaohs likely did the same. They let the quarry know what would be needed and the quarry - which would be in continuous operation and hence have partially quarried stone on hand - would produce what was needed. Some buy high quality stone - some contend with "seconds" to keep costs down.
The abandoned stone sarcophagi in an ancillary tunnel is useful for this as it represents a partially quarried sarcophagi which clearly needs a lot of work yet. So what is probable is a sarcophagus would be partially quarried onsite at the quarry - which would lessen the weight to be transported - and then moved to destination = where another team of stonemasons would finish it. Temples like the Pharaohs appear to have maintained their own castes of workers.
So an abandoned partially completed sarcophagi might indicate they kept one on hand pending the next commissioning. That infers that they could work it at their leisure awaiting final installation and any inscriptions added reflecting the Pharaoh who commissioned it. That eliminates the "time" argument of the "alternative" schtick. There were sometimes decades between sarcophagi being added to the temple. So if one Pharaoh did not commission one and the next one did they would have a partially completed one on hand which significantly reduced the time factor for creation and installation.
Moral of the story: so depending upon how much the "customer" wanted to spend dictated the quality which followed. If times were good and ample resources available they clearly made the effort to make higher quality sarcophagi. If however times might be hard and lacking wealth to be "picky" then as we see less optimal blocks were still used to create sarcophagi - albeit "imperfect" ones.
Then as now = you got what you paid for. This is a critical variable the "alternative" schtick always glosses over. We see "variation of outcome" over the centuries because Egypt underwent periods of plenty - when grand constructions were done and higher quality things could be completed - and we see periods of want when lower quality work sufficed consistent with the effort and resources which were expended. Enjoy your day folks. 🤔
Odd that the unfinished one has a finished polish only to be gone over with crude hieroglyphs.Some of the lines and proportions in the rough hieroglyphs are too far out of perfection to be corrected by refinement. Makes more sense that the crude hieroglyphs were added at a much later date. Repurposing and recycling were common practice in the ancient world.
*Makes more sense that the crude hieroglyphs were added at a much later date.*
Why "much"? Why not a couple of years or even a few months?
Marriette is said to have blown up the cover by dynamite. The one that you say seems to be missing
Slight correction. Dynamite didn't exist yet in 1850. So as with Vyse before any explosives used to access areas would be = black powder.
"What is Serapis? It's a god of their own creation." Um, all gods are created by man. Name one god that isn't a human creation. Ya can't. They're all fake.
Dislodging a stuck sarcophagus seems an easier task than creating one, yet...
different number of people
I...don't think those words are pronounced that way...
Our money, for the TIME being, is on the SOGDIANS.
Active ancient traders, etc, via East central Afghanistan region.
Wait... Why do the alt history gang think this place if from the Younger Dryas?
I mean, it seems to be single most well documented place in Egypt with stelas explaining everything with good dating. That is almost unheard of in archaeology and provides an exact dating...
I can see how something like the Sphinx can be troublesome to date exactly but here it is just silly, and I notice they all forget to mention all that when they talk about it.
Millimeter precision and perfect angles my @ss.
I think they start with a theory, get some fame and money, and then decide that's a pretty good life, so fck facts.
I'm looking at you Unchartedx!
@@celsus7979 In his case, I think he lives on his skills at making really good looking vids, his theories are usually not very impressive but the dude is very talented.
But impressive visuals don't really help with half baked theories.
Still, there are plenty of sites that are hard to date and have no documentation and even wild theories there are hard to disprove so why don't they focus on them instead of a place like this?
It just seems so lazy, when anyone can figure out it is BS so easily then what is the point?
But of course most people don't bother even a simple Google search after they hear a wild theory, I had a discussion with some dude who thought many Mayan walls had precision down to a thousand of a millimeter but he never actually seen a Mayan wall IRL and only seen some specific footage of a part far enough away so you really couldn't see the imperfections.
And of course no one actually bothered to measure or scan those walls either...
I would have been so much better at making up these things... At least I would bother to make up things you can't easily disprove.
@@celsus7979 just watch with mute on. no need to hear regurgitated nonsense
The who is the first question,,, THE HOW needs to be answered
All religions sound equally, unlikely.
I wonder if there was use of cows in worship and ceremony before the Greeks, perhaps in the service of Hathor. People don't get how important faith was to the ancient people, and how cattle received lush burials for their sacred role. Perhaps this rite would be better known if the Romans hadn't discontinued it. I recall Augustus had a low opinion of mummies and tombs in general.
The Apis cult predates the ptolemaic rule, but the greeks came up with Serapis from which we have the name Serapeum
You are trully a believer
Why would Augustus shut the Serapeum down?
I see no obvious reason, but maybe the costs used to be covered by the pharaoh and he didn't want to spend a penny on it
Our princeps forceps probably didn’t want any competition down the line when he would inevitably be deified post-Mortem as many Roman emperors were in the time period
Why do some sects of say Christianity have different beliefs than others??? So while the Egyptians and Romans were all "pagans" = the Egyptians worshipped animal deities whereas the Romans did not. Look at the Roman pantheon to see human form Gods. So Octavian outlawed worshipping of animals - but not human form Gods - consistent with Roman beliefs. Then as now with religions there are often wide disparities between what some consider to be acceptable compared to others. Some cultures embraced "animism" while others did not. 🤔
7,500bce apis were being buried in hollowed out boulders.
There is no way that people would or could make them blocks like that under ground it's impossible that's not considering the glass like finishing on them who did it I don't know
I can't fathom how anyone would think this is any older than Greek influence...
8:02 Pharaoh David describing his amazing sarcophagus to the Gods with only a few minutes of oxygen left
Sir Rapist.., surely not? It'an a, not an A
*BC
Really interesting. Amazing what silly things mankind can invent to worship.
It’s only a matter of time until we have scientific and mathematical data showing how these things were made. These long winded and wordy arguments trying to chop each other up are just a distraction and are not relevant. I never would have imagined that the views on this are so polarizing. From the comments here it sounds like we have either team Aliens or team Egyptians. Why is everyone so sure, so convinced either way? From my brief and I mean brief exposure to this I am team I don’t know yet.
It rather sounds like you are equating the weight of your opinion with that of academic subject matter experts.
One side is focusing their analysis taking seriously the context for each artifact and brings hypothesis forward. The other side ignores context and just make claims about how something is "impossible" to make (they are all basically arguments from incredulity, not something valid) without coming up with any alternative hypothesis (well, at least when they don't openly talk about Atlanteans or aliens, in which case, their hypothesis is just impossible to test).
At 12:00 minutes of your video, It has an image that says ".....could have drilled......"So that means it's definitely not certain that they did it that way there. Right? Is that evidence?
At 13:22, someone found traces of the wooden rollers........where's that? Double rails?? Pictures of that?
The alcove was filled with sand..........really? Like that? Was there any sand underneath those boxes when you went there?
I'm starting to like your videos, but still something missing there yet........no?
Read Mariette's book....... He excavated the site in the 1850's and documented what was found - so no smartphones around then to take video/photos..... So either you accept the historical accounting of what he found - or you don't. You also fail to account for everything which occurred in the interim. Sites like this have been combed over in the intervening century by many people and thus are no longer as they were when originally excavated.
Auguste Mariette found wooded finches and rollers. He also could lower a big stone box that was sitting in sand by removing the sand underneath. Look it up instead of just giving in to your incredulity.
@@San_Vito "He also could lower a big stone box that was sitting in sand by removing the sand underneath." Is there any video, photo of that?
@@joaodeoliveira336 Not many photos or videos around in 1850 but he did document it in his work:
The Serapeum of Memphis (ENGLISH TRANSLATION) - Auguste Mariette 1850, pg 64..
"Indeed, I found one of those sarcophagi that the Egyptians had left en route. It was only engaged in the hole a few centimeters, and, by therefore, still about half a man's height from the ground. I then undertook to continue the interrupted work myself, and, after having placed four men in the four side niches, I gave myself the pleasure of bringing down in its place, with perfect regularity, an enormous mass whose interior hollow was full of stones, and whose total weight, thus increased, must have exceeded one hundred thousand kilograms."
And the winches and rollers:
"It is certain that, as long as the plane on which the sarcophagus was to advance is remained horizontal, the monument, engaged on rollers whose traces can be recognized still on the floor of the galleries, was pulled by means of a horizontal winch with eight levers, modeled after those we use today. I found two of these winches, in sycamore wood, in one of the chambers of the tomb, and it is all natural to think that the Egyptians did not put them in this room, without have already used it."
Ibid, pg.63
@@Leeside999 Did he describe if that sarcophagi was made of Granite or Limestone?
There were one bull remains, and the boxes were empty and the scratching on one box that looked like a child did it, is not the same as the making of those boxes! Only a fool would conclude that it was done by the same people! They polished the cut outs as well. We find extreme ageing and far less sophisticated work done much earlier than reused some of the blocks everywhere you look! You have no idea how some of this was done, yet you defend your ideas and block science!
I wonder?
A gigantic bull is impressive. At least as impressive as the sports stars and actors of today.
Is this also the priesthood asserting its old monopoly on the direction of agriculture? In the New Kingdom the old bronze age structures were becoming obsolete. By crowning a super bull they could assert themselves with the farmers.
Haven't finished the video so maybe he says, but Hathor, depicted as a bull, was more sky and star related and I don't think had much association, apart from being a major deity, with agriculture.
@@AveragePicker Directing the course of agriculture through the year was the monopoly of the priesthood in all the bronze age cultures. Details differ by region/culture, but they always made the calendars and ordered the farmers when to sow and harvest, as well as taking the taxes.
The “modern” entrance is from the 5th century BCE… *boggles*
Wait wait wait wait..
So you're telling me the answer to Ben (unchartedX), Forester, Yousef etc.. On "how did they get the sarcophagus into position, there is no space in the hall to move" is, they used another entrance? That's high tech shit. Another entrance, who'd have thunk it..
Forester is a fucktard and Indiana Douchebag from bright insight is a dipshit. Ben seems to want to understand the technical side of it all, but gets hung up on fantasy. Before there were youtubers....there were people who worked stone. We can't all be kings.
I’m not saying aliens…
The one that got stuck in the hallway is also a great bit of info that doesn't get talked about enough. Because they're right! It absolutely sucked moving giant goddamn rock boxes around in there! They screwed it up at least once!
Who ? Bob, let's just call the bugger Bob.
Get inside one of those thing, slide them down the hill, the world's most monstrous sled.
Sure, you'd kill somebody, probably you. But imagine the THRILLS
A God of their own invention?
Wait till they discover that Hebrew Cosmology is true too. It was good enough for Moses.
Of all the Egyptian creations these, (as you have proven, beyond a shadow of a doubt); are not the Tombs of Pharaoh's. I'm sure the Sacred Bulls deserve to be placed here, as they are of a; "Higher Status": then any mere superstitious Egyptian!
Nice video but stone tools and a metal saw?
Please! It is a theory, but only that.
The most well known boxes were from the Iron age.
Theories are supported by = evidence....... - oops! Methinks you should abandon your preconception of "theories" such as are bandied about on entertainment television as representing "unsubstantiated assumption" with the usage employed by academia. In academia a theory is based upon credible evidence and has been subjected to peer scrutiny to ascertain plausibility or not.
p.s. - to expand upon what was noted by others. The Serapeum was open for ~1,600 years beginning in the early New Kingdom period - aka Bronze Age - to continue until the time of the Romans who shut it down. Thus the parts open to the public - ergo the ones you see photos/video of = date from the late-New Kingdom/Persian period until the Ptolemaic Period - or Iron Age. Those nicely done ones = were the last to be installed - hence iron tools.
@@varyolla435
Yes, let us trust Academia and peer reviewed journals, oh which I am in that group.
There are countless numbers of advancements in the sciences that have brought about external technological advancements, but to some, enslavement to a terminal ideology. Like Fred Whipple's hypothesis that comets are frozen ice balls drawn in from the Ort Cloud subliminating through space to produce the comet tail.
Or Anthony Faucci telling us to follow the science and take the shot because is "safe and effective".
Wake up out of your slumber and confidence you put in your academically programmed mind and the narrative that is propagated to control the population. Realize time is not just a linear dimension that neatly fits into theories and timelines for every sentient being that walks the face of this earth. Do not accept as fact what you are told is fact unless you can verify it yourself. I recommend you study about the psyche, the spirit, and what happens at death to your soul for insight into eternal life.
Unless your mind has become ossified with cognitive dissonance, then in that case, enjoy your family and love those that God has put you with during this cycle of time.
@@sentinaludo1489 Sooo many words = yet nothing actually said. Just a trite regurgitation of inane talking points spread via social media by people who know little to nothing about science coupled with an equally stereotypical "me-me-me" mentality whereby the individual comically assumes themselves as the supposed arbiter of fact from fiction based upon their subjective "beliefs". Such is what becomes of a conspiracy-addled mind of course. Kinda sad though.
p.s. - Whipple had evidence of = comets and the Ort Cloud........... - hence he had "something" tangible/credible from which to posit some new plausible deduction. You unfortunately do not..........
p.p.s. - Fauci happened to be correct by the way. Feel free however to specify how and why he was supposedly in error. Be as detailed or terse is as comfortable as rest assured = I will understand.....
Every once in a while you'll find you bump into someone who understands what you clearly do not = and you just did...... I of course as always happens look forward to your inevitable non-response as anti-vaxxer hysterics never back up their silly claims.