Why no mention of batting titles for altuve and Betts? If they knew not to swing at a breaking ball in dirt, their power numbers increased, strikeouts declined, walks increased, hard hit balls increased...even if they didn't do it every game, I wonder if other hitters would have won them, made bonuses, etc.
@@nocalsteve - It's weird. Individual awards in MLB have never been penalized when cheating. This goes back even before Braun winning the MVP over Kemp when Braun was revealed to be on PEDs despite vehemently denying it. Jose Canseco admitted to doing steroids in 1988 when he won the AL MVP over Mike Greenwell. In the Olympics, if an athlete is found to have been cheating, they're stripped of their medal.
Yankees Series: Altuve hit .533 at home (8-for-15)and was hitless on the road (0-for-10), Yankees lost all 4 games on road and won all 3 at home. They got hosed. Altuve needs to come clean.
While I hate the Yankees, I have to agree they were cheated. I want them to lose without the other team having an unfair advantage. I think the Astros should be stripped of their 2017 title, and it being replayed between the Dodgers and the Yankees so that two fair teams have a shot at it.
@Ian Ford Yeah 5 Million is just a drop in the bucket for an owner like the Astros. I personally think The Astros should have to forfeit every game for this coming season. Having a penalty like that would show teams the MLB is dead serious about these kinds of actions.
Ian Ford It’s actually the equivalent of $9.45. Turns my stomach even more... But that’s the maximum allowable team fine. The max team fine needs to be significantly increased
Bob is the man!! He's been great for baseball, he has a great mind and he was exactly on point in this interview. Baseball is not very popular and if we feel everyone's cheating, who wants to watch that!?!?
What a fantastic summary and analysis! Thank you, Bob Costas and Rich Eisen. As Costas said, Commissioner Rob Manfred sent a signal that couldn't have been any clearer. Great decision.
Yes, because he bet on baseball, including his own team, and he knew it was wrong. He knew the penalty, as the rule against betting on baseball is on every clubhouse in MLB. He impacted the integrity of the game. The guys he was betting with were not good guys.
Steven Lundgrin He bet ON his team. He didn’t bet against them. The fact that he bet on his team shows his confidence that they’d win. It’s not like he was cheating to throw the game. What he did didn’t affect the outcome of the game. As if the people cheating here didn’t “know it was wrong”? As if they didn’t affect the “integrity of the game”? Explain to me how Rose’s bets “affected the integrity of the game”, yet people actively cheating to win more didn’t.
Steven Lundgrin No. I’m advocating that the punishment fit the infraction. Rose bets didn’t affect the outcome of games. There’s no reason he should have a lifetime ban. He never did anything to negatively affect the outcome of the game. He went out and tried to win. You know who should have a lifetime ban? People that cheated repeatedly, and won batting/MVP awards. The heads/owners of teams that won World Series titles thanks to cheating. I guess you’re the type that agrees with chopping off a person’s hand if they take a loaf of bread, but give a slap on the wrist to a tycoon if they fleece millions like Madoff.
@@stlchucko Rose knew the punishment when he bet on his own team, whether it was to win or lose. MLB set that punishment down, and Rose also bet on baseball as a player. They just did not want to go into that because he was a star and didn't have the smoking gun until he was a manager. After the comment in your last paragraph, this discussion is over.
I'm sorry, the players were involved and they purely benefitted from everything something should be done. As for the team it is a slap on the wrist. Let's be real a team would spend $50 million on a title.
You know I'll explain a little bit, first off pitchers have 2, 3 4 pitches. They already know what's coming. It's not like they have 30 different pitches and there all different.
Theres no evidence they benefited at all. No evidence that holds up in court seeing how half the evidence of banging on cans is strikeouts and groundballs
@@tysonrinker5958 they have a signal telling them that one specific pitch is coming is not a benefit? Yea ok sure keep dreaming. That's a legitimate leg up over the other team no question about it.
@@tysonrinker5958 With 4 pitches, you have a 25% chance of guessing, assuming they are all thrown equally as much. If a pitcher has only one pitch (all pitchers have multiple pitches), then they know what's coming. Nice try though to legitimize this despicable bottomfeeder behavior.
And which do you think is more guaranteeing of a win? Taking steroids in a sport of individuals? Or an entire team of 25 people potentially all using a questionably successful method to let them know what pitch was coming (that they still had to swing or not swing at accurately?)... not to mention hitting is 1/3 of baseball, there's also the pitching and the defense that needs doing.
Because Bob has integrity and he knows all professional sports do not have integrity. Probably one of the reasons he is no longer as visible on the sports front.
Go ahead and cheat. 2 people might get actual penalties but players and everybody else, no problem! Just a slap on the wrist. I'm not paying for cheating playoff games again, especially if mlb is not going to protect baseball. It sucks bcz I love baseball. Go ahead and put up the banner, World Series Champions! The arms race of cheating in baseball has begun. If not for jomboy media, pretty much a random fan, it never would've been caught! If not4 him, the red Sox would be doing it (agn? Possibly) and the Astros would definitely be doing it again. After all it worked out perfectly. Beltran managing the mets...probably going to be doing the same thing. Y not? How did MLB and the Dodgers and Yankees not catch on?
Exactly. They are letting Crane get away with this and even applauding him for firing these guys lmao. What a joke. I get the difficulty going after players but at this point it just seems lazy.
The Dodgers and Yankees DID catch on. The Dodgers suspected it during the 2017 World Series as did the Yankees during the 2017 ALCS and the Yankees were the ones who instigated the investigations into using technology to steal signs when they reported about the use of apple watch in game by the Red Sox.
How do you know the Dodgers weren't cheating and stealing signs? There have been allegations they do. In the 2018 playoff game with the Rockies, the Rockies gave a sequence of signs with no one on base, so they thought something was up.
@@slundgr The point you miss is that EvERY TEAM CHEATS. It's nothing new here. Teams are always trying to steal signs. It's been going on since the early days of baseball. But when you have teams such as the Astros and Red Sox that used COMPUTER TECHNOLOGY to steal signs that's when it becomes a huge problem. That's where you have to draw the line. Stealing signs while standing on second base is one thing. It happens all the time and teams have to do a better job to combat it. But there's no technological advantage involved. What the Astros and Red Sox did was totally next level cheating and that's an unfair advantage. That's why it's such a big scandal
@@josephbell2160 I didn't miss the point at all. No one knows who is and who isn't cheating except the parties involved, and that includes the Dodgers and Yankees. Manfred issued a memo saying it was expressly forbidden to use electronic devices, and the Astros, and apparently the Red Sox, ignored it. I've watched many games when the Rockies played at L.A. and I swear the Dodgers hitters hit a pitch like they knew it was coming. This was long before the Astros story broke. The Rockies had suspicions of the Dodgers in the 2018 playoff game when they gave sequences of signs when no one was on base.
@@slundgr There is no investigation of any other team stealing signs off the field other than the Astros and Red Sox. I'll amend vacating the 2018 title until MLB completes there investigation.
Everyone is getting this wrong. The World Series should have been vacated. As long as you allow gamesmanship, there will be cheating. To stop gamesmanship, you need to make the punishment so severe that no one will do it again. Pete Rose is the only time baseball got it's punishment right.
@@slundgr No but he has served a hell of a lot more time than 1 year. If they are only giving Cora and Beltran 1 year how about 30 years is enough for Pete.
@@kimehunt4501 Cora and Beltran are yet to be punished. You have a short memory. Rose also lied and deceived MLB and the public for years before he finally "came clean" about betting on baseball. He knew the punishment for betting on baseball and did it anyway. As I heard Bench say, he should be in the HOF when he is innocent. Does it matter to you Rose is also a convicted felon and tax cheat?
The reasoning for not suspending players, although I can understand why they wouldn’t suspend them it is just plain wrong. They cheated. Big big names, ones who have won silver sluggers and even an MVP. They need to be held accountable and at this moment right now they are not.
The one thing I disagree with Bob Costas on is that both the 2017 and 2018 World Series should be vacated. To me he minimized and rationalized to an extent the weight and significance of the cheating, several times over. Just because something hasn't been done in the past, vacating titles, does not mean it shouldn't be re-examined and looked at and changed. Having an imaginary asterisk is not good enough. If the title is meaningless and has no value, why have it in the first place?
Manfred drew a perfect line. He a salesman. He just announced the sale! 5 mill, 2 draft picks and sacrifice your GM+manager will buy you a world championship!!! That's the price!!! Analytics started digging the grave for managers' job. Manfred just buried them. Players and owners will conspire, pay the price and try to cheat their way to the championship!!! What an idiot!!!
Amen! Every team might as well cheat at this point. So what if they lost some draft picks and 2 managers got suspended? They got a World Series title out of it! Heck they almost won two! And go figure the other cheaters won in 2018. The league is a disgrace after these weak punishments. Guys lost jobs because of these cheating teams! People lost money betting on these games! And this is the "justice" we get? Bob Costas and Rich Eisen are SHILLS for acting like this was a punishment. This is a slap on the wrist at best. Rob Manfred is a JOKE!
@@Sweeney-Kubach -- and they were for sure. did you see the video of Bregman today? He is so friggin' guilty, just listen to him in the spring training interview today, omg. been coached by his lawyer.
Absolutely, the Astros losing only there top 2 picks the next years is a slap on the wrist. The Astros should lose all there draft picks for at least one season. Manfred failed here miserably
Punishment is not a deterrent. Shaddapp Costas. No one is losing their rings. No one is losing any $. 5 million is nothing to the Astros. Sure Hinch, Cora, Beltran and the Stros GM lost their jobs. But all 4 will be back in baseball at some point. The 2017 and 2018 world series should be vacated. Cora should get a lifetime ban. Astro and Red Sox players should be suspended for 1 season minimum. That would be an actual deterrent Bob Costas.
As a Yankee fan I couldn’t wrap my mind around the difference between home and away games during the series with Houston. I was dumbfounded. Now that this has come out, it really pisses me off. I get that cheating has always been a part of baseball. If a pitcher is tipping pitches, hey take advantage. What the Astros did was way over the line.
Astros will be losers in the eyes of just about everyone unless and until there are lifetime banishments and the 2017 World Series title is vacated. We don’t need a commissioner like Rob Manfred. He has stained the game just like Altuve and Hinch and others.
If the Astros win a championship in the next 3 seasons all this will be erased from everyone’s memory because the media will pump into the minds of the fans this teams greatness. The commissioner should stipulate the next team to cheat in this fashion is banned from the sport for life. That would mean if you see teammates cheating you let the league know or you lose your job. I will never understand the teams that cheat in ways that actually leads to wins and handicaps the balance of the playing field are the ones who get the weakest punishment. If their pitching coach was paying pitchers to throw at players you would never hear the end of it, but this type of cheating they lose a couple picks a tip money.
MLB could probably easily rid the game of cheating in this manner by just hiring neutral people to attend all the games and scope out any and all foul play. But MLB isn't about solutions.
I'm very surprised at Costa's "They were good enough without this" statement. Going down to game 7 against the Yankees and KNOWING the pitches that were coming? That's good enough? This wasn't the Globetrotters vs The Generals.
Good analogy...... MLB is stained. Attendance will be down this year. Costas is out there doing damage control. I REPEAT, COSTAS IS DOING DAMAGE CONTROL FOR HIS EMPLOYER.
The difference is that there's no proof that the football operations was involved in any way with the media operations. If direct evidence is revealed, then that's a different story.
@@genekelley7579 We'll see what happens 10 years from now. But as of right now, there is no definitive proof of the Pats cheating besides spygate in 2007, which had been legal until that point.
PatsFan 4299 And taping the Side Lines of the Bengals!!! It’s the same thing dude. After the Patriots got caught taping the side lines, they lost to the Dolphins!!!! Think about it. If you don’t have your “cript notes” the test is harder 🤔
you absolutely can vacate the titles from those years. just because it has never been done before does not mean you cannot set a precedent. you want to totally get rid of team wide cheating in baseball? there is no bigger penalty than that.
Ken Epstein now it's easy to understand Chapman's reaction after it was hit. He stood on the mound for 30 seconds in one spot probably saying, "I know this SOB is cheating and I can't do a damn thing about it."
Costas can tap dance better than Gregory Hines, lol. Talk about circling the wagons! These guys do nothing but re-characterize, minimize, obfuscate and rationalize. It's like watching the Sunday morning political shows now when you watch mainstream sports media. All partisan shite, and zero objective critical thought. I guess that's why Jomboy and The Athletic, etc. are eating their lunch. ps... If Showalter gets Cora's job, Costas deserves a commission, lol.
It’s remarkable how every major sport are at their lowest points in my lifetime. I don’t even think I’ll be watching this stuff for much longer. I already stopped paying to attend the games
They've become a reflection of the insane capitalist tribal win at all cost mentality which has gripped main stream everything. Analytics and technology have taken over every aspect of sports,from the on field gameplay to the player contracts to the secondary ticket market,its all disgusting. I've completely abandoned the major sports,they are only distracting our society away from imposing true change. I did come up with a solution I think though. A 5% "Community" Tax on all major sports franchises which goes directly back into the local community surrounding that franchise. Reinvigorate the local sports leagues with employing ex athletes to work at training centers,be coaches,etc, which also helps funnel the athletes into a positive transition after retirement. All registration is free for any child, and equipment subsidies/donation system setup for the kids who need it. 5% would be big enough to cover helping rebuild and the fields and community centers to be future friendly places. Have free wifi, encourage youth to want to be together in places with each other and have positive mentors. The real lessons you learn from sports aren't from watching your favourite team on a box, it's from actually playing that sport with other humans and experiencing all the ups and downs together and in your own head. If they want to continue to run these crooked leagues in cahoots with the crooked media channels who support them then TAX those pricks and put the money back into the kids they are stealing from and brainwashing.
As a baseball fan, I can honestly say I am no longer willing to pay for the price of a MLB admission. I’m terribly disappointed with MLB, and the slap-on -the- wrist the Houston Astros received. My question is this, how can a PROFESSIONAL BASEBALL PLAYER be happy with a win, when they cheated? I’ve lost all respect for the Louston Hackstros!!!
That system bob is talking about is in place already, Why do these guys act talk like they don’t know it’s already in place, haven’t they read the articles where it clearly says that prior to the 2019 season they had MLB video monitors in each clubhouse and there was an 8 second video delay on the feeds!
They didn't void the 1919 series because the Reds didn't cheat. The White Sox threw the games. It would be unfair to them to lose their title because a better team cheated to make them win. It wasn't their fault. This is different.
That is true. In the case of the 1919 Reds, it's a tough argument. On the one hand, they didn't cheat and they deserved whatever they got. On the other hand, even if they didn't cheat, the other team wasn't trying which, entirely unfairly to the Reds, makes the Reds' title seem tainted, as if it were something they didn't earn.
You could certainly still have replay/review, just don't give the team a review room. Let the manager decide whether to ask for a review or not, without looking at a review. That would definitely speed up the game, as well as stopping this form of cheating. Maybe also there should be a rule that players don't get off scott-frfee when their whole team is caught cheating!
Why didn't AJ say "Stop this"? Because it was working! How much of hitting is confidence and how much more confidence can you instill than knowing what pitches are coming. IMO, the Astros and Red Sox titles should be stripped.
Just allow more tech. Allow pitchers and catchers and coaches to communicate electronically. Problem solved. Baseball desperately needs to be modernized.
Who are the other 8 teams that the Astros said were cheating? What about the coaches on the Astros staff that had to know there was sign-stealing going on? Astros need to clean house.
The fact that the MLB Network is pushing this "this punishment is soooo tough," is a bunch of BS. This punishment doesn't hurt anyone except Luhnow, Hinch, and Cora who can still recover from this. Crane is being lauded as a great guy for firing these POS when he still banked millions off that WS win. Should have been lifetime bans for Crane, Luhnow, Hinch, Cora, and Beltran. I'll never watch MLB Network again after watching them defend some of these guys. They are pushing this "it was all the players" narrative which, after someone else pointed this out, is awfully convenient when a CBA negotiation is coming up. This whole Hinch was against it is a huge lie btw lmao. Smug bastard lied in press conferences when accused and is still lying.
Shut your front door BOB. Question BOB ? when the MLB decided They wanted video in the dugouts so that MLB can get close to the player and Every Manger said NO.. MLB said if you don't do this they would fine the team..... Question is where is the culpability with this ? Bang !
Bob Costas is working for MLB. What did it actually cost the Astros. They still get to keep a World Series at the cost of a GM and manager. Any team would take that any day of the week.
They sent an unmistakable message... That cheating will be tolerated to roughly the same degree as going over the luxury tax threshold, which also costs draft picks and more than $5M. Rob Manfred has failed baseball. The game is officially corrupted going forward.
The commission did absolutely nothing for this heinous incident. Suspending coaches doesnt matter one bit. Everyone knows professional sports is player driven. Why not ban the entire Astros roster from 2017 for one year?
What I dont understand is why does the replay booth need to even be on grounds? They have this new technology called a PHONE. You can talk to anyone anywhere in the world that also has a PHONE.
well u can always put a BLACK spot over the spot on the video where the hand signals would be shown by the catcher.. just a thought.. Thank u for the upload.. be winner not the dinner.. /
And nothing happens to the players? egregious. I'm the farthest thing from a NY Yankees fan (im a cardinals fan) and I still feel bad for Chapman and the rest of the Yankees,,,they got screwed.
The Commissioner knew about this exact scandal long before Mike Fiers spilled the beans. The Commissioner knew that this would hurt the brand of MLB and kept it hush hush. It wasn't until Fiers made it public and everyone watched the 2017 games on TH-cam to verify it that the Commissioner decided to do anything serious about it.
As I get older, into my fifties, and remain a sports enthusiast I’m realizing the old saying “If you ain’t cheating you ain’t trying” is really an accurate summation. Being a Buffalo sports fan and championshipless through my life.....damn, guys, you ain’t cheatin’ enough! Let’s go!
I abhor cheating and lying - taught my children that. Buffalo Bills have to be one of the greatest teams of all time - sure they lost four Super Bowls in a row - but they had to be THAT good to GET into four Super Bowls in a row.
I abhor it too....however, it is imbedded in our daily lives, be it sports, politics, friendships, relationships, law enforcement, sales, advertising, nutrition....it's sad but it's everywhere.
I don't understand why people keep bringing up 1919. The Cincinnati Reds didn't do anything wrong. Did the White Sox throw the series, yes but why would the series be in question when the Reds did nothing wrong? The Cincinnati Reds could have legitimately won the World Series regardless of the White Sox cheating or not. We'll never truly know. But the Astros cheated and won. That's totally and completely different. And on top of that the Astros cheated the entire season to get into the World Series. The White Sox legitimately got in the 1919 World Series then threw the games. How insane would it be for the MLB to strip the Cincinnati Reds of a world series title when they had nothing to do with the White Sox throwing the series?! The Reds and the Sox played legitimate 154 game seasons while the Astros probably cheated at least half of all of their games during their world series winning season! This is a million times worse than 1919 not to sound too hyperbolic.
Come on Rich. Game 7 may have happened in LA, but that series doesn't even make it to a game 7 if the Astros couldn't miraculously continue to come back in game 5.
There is a center field camera being used for the TV broadcast at all games. This is in the locker room so that batters can check there previous at bats. These are the only two teams that have used this to read signs and get this is formation to the batter. Sure.....
I still feel the Astros should be stripped of their World Series. we know it will never happen but I feel that that would send a much stronger message. I also hope that this will stunt the growth in addition I’ll technology within baseball.
Notice Bob is never critical of the players. They are the ones that cheated. He then tries the old everybody is doing it excuse. With no evidence. Bob is beholden to MLB.
Looks like the Astros will be leading the league in hit batsmen this year. More brawls than normal involving this team. What a sad embarrassment for a once proud team.
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Why no mention of batting titles for altuve and Betts? If they knew not to swing at a breaking ball in dirt, their power numbers increased, strikeouts declined, walks increased, hard hit balls increased...even if they didn't do it every game, I wonder if other hitters would have won them, made bonuses, etc.
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@@nocalsteve - It's weird. Individual awards in MLB have never been penalized when cheating. This goes back even before Braun winning the MVP over Kemp when Braun was revealed to be on PEDs despite vehemently denying it. Jose Canseco admitted to doing steroids in 1988 when he won the AL MVP over Mike Greenwell. In the Olympics, if an athlete is found to have been cheating, they're stripped of their medal.
great point, and one that I'm not hearing be talked about enough.
Aaron Judge finished 2nd to Altuve in MVP in 2017. Forget the batting title.
ddaddona And on the opposite side, blowing up and distorting the pitcher’s stats.
No to mention, the psychological stain ala Yu Darvish.
Yankees Series: Altuve hit .533 at home (8-for-15)and was hitless on the road (0-for-10), Yankees lost all 4 games on road and won all 3 at home. They got hosed. Altuve needs to come clean.
Very fuckin true... this is hella upsetting
Yes sir .....its logic common sense...mlb is playing dumb players should be banned
well the stats are more indicative of your point ....there are a lot of times during the playoffs that the home team's win all the games though
I’m a Yankee fan and I totally agree. I still feel like the Dodgers got it worse than us. Like damn those guys had careers altered
While I hate the Yankees, I have to agree they were cheated. I want them to lose without the other team having an unfair advantage. I think the Astros should be stripped of their 2017 title, and it being replayed between the Dodgers and the Yankees so that two fair teams have a shot at it.
The MLB just sold a WS for 5 Mil.
@Ian Ford Yeah 5 Million is just a drop in the bucket for an owner like the Astros. I personally think The Astros should have to forfeit every game for this coming season. Having a penalty like that would show teams the MLB is dead serious about these kinds of actions.
Ian Ford It’s actually the equivalent of $9.45. Turns my stomach even more... But that’s the maximum allowable team fine. The max team fine needs to be significantly increased
They've been sold in the past for a lot less than that.
Nutshell knowledge...you deserve that GED you bought.
$5M doesn’t mean a thing. They pay knuckleheads $5M.
Someone said it: "The Houston Asterisks."
I'm guessing Altuve is going to have some beanballs coming his way.
2017 World Series Chumps
Throatwobbler Mangrove - luckily he’s borderline Oompa Loompa so they don’t have to throw it so high that it’s obvious
Houston Trashtros!
As a Houstonian, I'm just glad that you guys finally have something to say besides "we have a problem." Congrats.
Bob is the man!! He's been great for baseball, he has a great mind and he was exactly on point in this interview. Baseball is not very popular and if we feel everyone's cheating, who wants to watch that!?!?
What a fantastic summary and analysis! Thank you, Bob Costas and Rich Eisen. As Costas said, Commissioner Rob Manfred sent a signal that couldn't have been any clearer. Great decision.
And Pete Rose was banned for life?
Yes, because he bet on baseball, including his own team, and he knew it was wrong. He knew the penalty, as the rule against betting on baseball is on every clubhouse in MLB. He impacted the integrity of the game. The guys he was betting with were not good guys.
Steven Lundgrin
He bet ON his team. He didn’t bet against them. The fact that he bet on his team shows his confidence that they’d win. It’s not like he was cheating to throw the game. What he did didn’t affect the outcome of the game.
As if the people cheating here didn’t “know it was wrong”? As if they didn’t affect the “integrity of the game”?
Explain to me how Rose’s bets “affected the integrity of the game”, yet people actively cheating to win more didn’t.
@@stlchucko I guess breaking the rules doesn't matter to you. Or breaking the rules doesn't matter as long as he bet on his own team?
Steven Lundgrin
No.
I’m advocating that the punishment fit the infraction.
Rose bets didn’t affect the outcome of games. There’s no reason he should have a lifetime ban. He never did anything to negatively affect the outcome of the game. He went out and tried to win.
You know who should have a lifetime ban? People that cheated repeatedly, and won batting/MVP awards. The heads/owners of teams that won World Series titles thanks to cheating.
I guess you’re the type that agrees with chopping off a person’s hand if they take a loaf of bread, but give a slap on the wrist to a tycoon if they fleece millions like Madoff.
@@stlchucko Rose knew the punishment when he bet on his own team, whether it was to win or lose. MLB set that punishment down, and Rose also bet on baseball as a player. They just did not want to go into that because he was a star and didn't have the smoking gun until he was a manager.
After the comment in your last paragraph, this discussion is over.
Pitcher has an ear piece, catcher has an ear piece, Someone calls the pitches from the dugout. Problem solved
As much as I'd hate to see the traditional hand signals go away, you pretty much have to do this now to limit the effectiveness of sign-stealing.
Thank you, these commentaries are so bad. But a system similar to this is the clear way to go moving forward. Not banning all tech, that's stupid.
Until someone figures out how to hack into the signal and listen in.
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A light bar on the mound only the pitcher can see and a remote for the catcher on his forearm.
Those of you arguing 5M isn't a good enough fine, keep in mind it is the maximum fine allowable by the agreements between owners and MLB.
Exactly! The owners protect themselves! Manfred did what he could. The system is corrupt!
I'm sorry, the players were involved and they purely benefitted from everything something should be done. As for the team it is a slap on the wrist. Let's be real a team would spend $50 million on a title.
50 million? More like 500 million
You know I'll explain a little bit, first off pitchers have 2, 3 4 pitches. They already know what's coming. It's not like they have 30 different pitches and there all different.
Theres no evidence they benefited at all. No evidence that holds up in court seeing how half the evidence of banging on cans is strikeouts and groundballs
@@tysonrinker5958 they have a signal telling them that one specific pitch is coming is not a benefit? Yea ok sure keep dreaming. That's a legitimate leg up over the other team no question about it.
@@tysonrinker5958 With 4 pitches, you have a 25% chance of guessing, assuming they are all thrown equally as much. If a pitcher has only one pitch (all pitchers have multiple pitches), then they know what's coming. Nice try though to legitimize this despicable bottomfeeder behavior.
Lance Armstrong was stripped of 7 TDF Titles......and 2nd place finisher was named winner.
And which do you think is more guaranteeing of a win? Taking steroids in a sport of individuals? Or an entire team of 25 people potentially all using a questionably successful method to let them know what pitch was coming (that they still had to swing or not swing at accurately?)... not to mention hitting is 1/3 of baseball, there's also the pitching and the defense that needs doing.
Costas is right, the Astros are a taint. An unwashed one
To me this cheating scandal is unlike anything baseball has seen since the 1919 Black Sox Scandal.
Yes i remember that like it was yesterday.
Is that you Ed? I loaned you 3 cents for that beer and you never gave it back
Hyperbol much?
Why isn't Costas the Commissioner of MLB? The man is way a head on this! Bob knows the game of Baseball!
Because Bob has integrity and he knows all professional sports do not have integrity. Probably one of the reasons he is no longer as visible on the sports front.
Great point! IMO, he has given the best analysis of this nightmare.
He kind of got chased out of the NFL for his stance on concussions. He definitely has integrity whether you agree with him or not!
@@dickraynes1339 the man knows the game of baseball! It's a gift he has.
@Christopher Braun you may not know Bob Costas? But you sure do who dick is! Don't ya!
Obviously the Astros didn’t believe they could beat the Dodgers’ pitching staff fair and square. Altuve hit .473 at home and .143 on the road.
Does OP mean against the Dodgers in particular? Because yeah... in 2017 and 2018, plenty of Astros hitters were better on the road than at home.
Go ahead and cheat. 2 people might get actual penalties but players and everybody else, no problem! Just a slap on the wrist.
I'm not paying for cheating playoff games again, especially if mlb is not going to protect baseball. It sucks bcz I love baseball.
Go ahead and put up the banner, World Series Champions! The arms race of cheating in baseball has begun. If not for jomboy media, pretty much a random fan, it never would've been caught! If not4 him, the red Sox would be doing it (agn? Possibly) and the Astros would definitely be doing it again. After all it worked out perfectly. Beltran managing the mets...probably going to be doing the same thing. Y not?
How did MLB and the Dodgers and Yankees not catch on?
Exactly. They are letting Crane get away with this and even applauding him for firing these guys lmao. What a joke. I get the difficulty going after players but at this point it just seems lazy.
The Dodgers and Yankees DID catch on. The Dodgers suspected it during the 2017 World Series as did the Yankees during the 2017 ALCS and the Yankees were the ones who instigated the investigations into using technology to steal signs when they reported about the use of apple watch in game by the Red Sox.
I thank God for JOMBOY, he tells it like it is.
Take away every player's World Series Ring.
If MLB wants to recover their integrity, they would vacate the 2017 and 2018 World Series championship.
Amen
How do you know the Dodgers weren't cheating and stealing signs? There have been allegations they do. In the 2018 playoff game with the Rockies, the Rockies gave a sequence of signs with no one on base, so they thought something was up.
@@slundgr The point you miss is that EvERY TEAM CHEATS. It's nothing new here. Teams are always trying to steal signs. It's been going on since the early days of baseball. But when you have teams such as the Astros and Red Sox that used COMPUTER TECHNOLOGY to steal signs that's when it becomes a huge problem. That's where you have to draw the line. Stealing signs while standing on second base is one thing. It happens all the time and teams have to do a better job to combat it. But there's no technological advantage involved. What the Astros and Red Sox did was totally next level cheating and that's an unfair advantage. That's why it's such a big scandal
@@josephbell2160 I didn't miss the point at all. No one knows who is and who isn't cheating except the parties involved, and that includes the Dodgers and Yankees. Manfred issued a memo saying it was expressly forbidden to use electronic devices, and the Astros, and apparently the Red Sox, ignored it. I've watched many games when the Rockies played at L.A. and I swear the Dodgers hitters hit a pitch like they knew it was coming. This was long before the Astros story broke. The Rockies had suspicions of the Dodgers in the 2018 playoff game when they gave sequences of signs when no one was on base.
@@slundgr There is no investigation of any other team stealing signs off the field other than the Astros and Red Sox. I'll amend vacating the 2018 title until MLB completes there investigation.
As a Red Sox fan I am devastated, I really can't believe it... and can believe it.
@@denniskirk2754 Bruins and Penguins against Lightning
Can’t wait for the season to start
Let’s see how far those cheaters make it this year
Everyone is getting this wrong. The World Series should have been vacated. As long as you allow gamesmanship, there will be cheating. To stop gamesmanship, you need to make the punishment so severe that no one will do it again. Pete Rose is the only time baseball got it's punishment right.
The only solution to this mess is to reinstate Pete Rose.
Because Rose is innocent now?
Steven Lundgrin
Of cheating to win, yes.
@@slundgr No but he has served a hell of a lot more time than 1 year. If they are only giving Cora and Beltran 1 year how about 30 years is enough for Pete.
@@kimehunt4501 Cora and Beltran are yet to be punished. You have a short memory. Rose also lied and deceived MLB and the public for years before he finally "came clean" about betting on baseball. He knew the punishment for betting on baseball and did it anyway. As I heard Bench say, he should be in the HOF when he is innocent. Does it matter to you Rose is also a convicted felon and tax cheat?
That needed to happen anyway. He's the greatest hitter ever.
I’m glad he cleared this up for me. The difference between stealing signs as gamesmanship and using technology
The reasoning for not suspending players, although I can understand why they wouldn’t suspend them it is just plain wrong. They cheated. Big big names, ones who have won silver sluggers and even an MVP. They need to be held accountable and at this moment right now they are not.
The one thing I disagree with Bob Costas on is that both the 2017 and 2018 World Series should be vacated. To me he minimized and rationalized to an extent the weight and significance of the cheating, several times over. Just because something hasn't been done in the past, vacating titles, does not mean it shouldn't be re-examined and looked at and changed. Having an imaginary asterisk is not good enough. If the title is meaningless and has no value, why have it in the first place?
Pat Hudson bob hates the Dodgers cuz lasorda made him look stupid in 88 thats why he doesn’t think they should vacate the World Series
Manfred drew a perfect line.
He a salesman. He just announced the sale!
5 mill, 2 draft picks and sacrifice your GM+manager will buy you a world championship!!!
That's the price!!!
Analytics started digging the grave for managers' job. Manfred just buried them. Players and owners will conspire, pay the price and try to cheat their way to the championship!!!
What an idiot!!!
They’re gonna hear the boos everywhere they go until they break the team up.
Can't wait
I hope they're pelted with rotten produce everywhere they go.
This penalty is a goddam joke!
Amen! Every team might as well cheat at this point. So what if they lost some draft picks and 2 managers got suspended? They got a World Series title out of it! Heck they almost won two! And go figure the other cheaters won in 2018. The league is a disgrace after these weak punishments. Guys lost jobs because of these cheating teams! People lost money betting on these games! And this is the "justice" we get? Bob Costas and Rich Eisen are SHILLS for acting like this was a punishment. This is a slap on the wrist at best. Rob Manfred is a JOKE!
The fact that Altuve and Bregman were wearing electronic devices to let them know what pitches were coming, is even worse.
@@spitfiye
Sport Media as Lock Step as Mainstream - Lefty Knee Jerks
@@Sweeney-Kubach -- and they were for sure. did you see the video of Bregman today? He is so friggin' guilty, just listen to him in the spring training interview today, omg. been coached by his lawyer.
Absolutely, the Astros losing only there top 2 picks the next years is a slap on the wrist. The Astros should lose all there draft picks for at least one season. Manfred failed here miserably
All we know for sure is the Mariners didn't steal signs or else they wouldn't suck every year
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mlb at least has the balls to take action after a thorough investigation. the nfl needs to learn from this.
Both are looking pretty corrupt and with a lack of integrity these days.
The commissioners being employees of the owners prevents any real punishment
Looks like the MLB investigation was just a light, half-assed look into it.
Speaking of NASA, Costas sounds like he's talking on a cell phone aboard the International Space Station.
Nah. Hes was visiting the dos XX most interesting man on earth. That lives on mars now.
I’m pretty sure Bobby still has a flip phone.. maybe 1G maybe...
Costas is an employee of MLB
He is biased.
He agrees with who was punished as the commissioner is an employee of MLB owners too
Bob Costas has more Integrity than that. I'd agree with you if it were someone else
He always been!!
Agreed he is obviously bised
@@leventahmed82 integrity and Bob costas should never be said in the same sentence. See Richard jewel
Costas loves baseball. Exactly what did he say in this interview that was wrong or one sided?? Or even be construed as leaning towards MLB?
Strip titles , World Series,
Punishment is not a deterrent. Shaddapp Costas. No one is losing their rings. No one is losing any $. 5 million is nothing to the Astros. Sure Hinch, Cora, Beltran and the Stros GM lost their jobs. But all 4 will be back in baseball at some point. The 2017 and 2018 world series should be vacated. Cora should get a lifetime ban. Astro and Red Sox players should be suspended for 1 season minimum. That would be an actual deterrent Bob Costas.
As a Yankee fan I couldn’t wrap my mind around the difference between home and away games during the series with Houston. I was dumbfounded. Now that this has come out, it really pisses me off. I get that cheating has always been a part of baseball. If a pitcher is tipping pitches, hey take advantage. What the Astros did was way over the line.
ban AJ for life from MLB..where was this man's integrity!
Astros will be losers in the eyes of just about everyone unless and until there are lifetime banishments and the 2017 World Series title is vacated. We don’t need a commissioner like Rob Manfred.
He has stained the game just like Altuve and Hinch and others.
(singing)
Signs, signs Astros stealing signs
Banging on the trash can, reading my mind
Do this, don't do that, can't you steal the sign ...
excellent play,, mt man
Pretty good . But get a life lol
Simple man Costas talking baseball I stop everything to listen
I got to meet Bob Costas one time and watched him speak at an award show. He’s a pretty cool dude.
If the Astros win a championship in the next 3 seasons all this will be erased from everyone’s memory because the media will pump into the minds of the fans this teams greatness.
The commissioner should stipulate the next team to cheat in this fashion is banned from the sport for life. That would mean if you see teammates cheating you let the league know or you lose your job.
I will never understand the teams that cheat in ways that actually leads to wins and handicaps the balance of the playing field are the ones who get the weakest punishment. If their pitching coach was paying pitchers to throw at players you would never hear the end of it, but this type of cheating they lose a couple picks a tip money.
Steven Kunzer no, it’ll be like the Patriots. Everyone will suspect they’re still cheating
MLB could probably easily rid the game of cheating in this manner by just hiring neutral people to attend all the games and scope out any and all foul play. But MLB isn't about solutions.
I'm very surprised at Costa's "They were good enough without this" statement. Going down to game 7 against the Yankees and KNOWING the pitches that were coming? That's good enough? This wasn't the Globetrotters vs The Generals.
A lot of the MLB people are saying that but how do they know? They have been cheating since they have been winning.
Good analogy...... MLB is stained. Attendance will be down this year. Costas is out there doing damage control. I REPEAT, COSTAS IS DOING DAMAGE CONTROL FOR HIS EMPLOYER.
Are you implying Harlem Globetrotters games were fixed? You'd better have some pretty solid evidence there, pal!
The Astros should be beaned at every at bat for the entire 2020 season. (just a thought)
This is the same thing the New England Patriots are doing recording coach’s on the side line of the opposite teams sideline.
It’s the same thing.
Yup cheaters
The difference is that there's no proof that the football operations was involved in any way with the media operations. If direct evidence is revealed, then that's a different story.
PatsFan 4299
Yeah Right😂😂
I’ll bet you now, it comes out 10 years from now, that the Pats were cheating; because they have been caught before.
@@genekelley7579 We'll see what happens 10 years from now. But as of right now, there is no definitive proof of the Pats cheating besides spygate in 2007, which had been legal until that point.
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And taping the Side Lines of the Bengals!!!
It’s the same thing dude.
After the Patriots got caught taping the side lines, they lost to the Dolphins!!!!
Think about it. If you don’t have your “cript notes” the test is harder 🤔
If this was so bad MLB is suspending managers and GM's for a year then its ABSOLUTE BS no players are suspended or fined.
Romanellochw they’re protected by the union, which is bullshit
you absolutely can vacate the titles from those years.
just because it has never been done before does not mean you cannot set a precedent.
you want to totally get rid of team wide cheating in baseball?
there is no bigger penalty than that.
ALTUVE HR against CHAPMAN was unbelievable. Now I know why I was so shocked.
Ken Epstein now it's easy to understand Chapman's reaction after it was hit. He stood on the mound for 30 seconds in one spot probably saying, "I know this SOB is cheating and I can't do a damn thing about it."
Costas can tap dance better than Gregory Hines, lol. Talk about circling the wagons! These guys do nothing but re-characterize, minimize, obfuscate and rationalize. It's like watching the Sunday morning political shows now when you watch mainstream sports media. All partisan shite, and zero objective critical thought. I guess that's why Jomboy and The Athletic, etc. are eating their lunch.
ps... If Showalter gets Cora's job, Costas deserves a commission, lol.
You must smoke dirt weed
Costas s a piece of garbage just like baseball .
It’s remarkable how every major sport are at their lowest points in my lifetime. I don’t even think I’ll be watching this stuff for much longer. I already stopped paying to attend the games
Your TH-cam handle says it all. Sadly, our culture is rotting.
Culture Rot They can’t see it coming either. They are totally oblivious to their own empires falling at the hands of their own mismanagement.
They've become a reflection of the insane capitalist tribal win at all cost mentality which has gripped main stream everything. Analytics and technology have taken over every aspect of sports,from the on field gameplay to the player contracts to the secondary ticket market,its all disgusting.
I've completely abandoned the major sports,they are only distracting our society away from imposing true change. I did come up with a solution I think though.
A 5% "Community" Tax on all major sports franchises which goes directly back into the local community surrounding that franchise. Reinvigorate the local sports leagues with employing ex athletes to work at training centers,be coaches,etc, which also helps funnel the athletes into a positive transition after retirement. All registration is free for any child, and equipment subsidies/donation system setup for the kids who need it. 5% would be big enough to cover helping rebuild and the fields and community centers to be future friendly places. Have free wifi, encourage youth to want to be together in places with each other and have positive mentors.
The real lessons you learn from sports aren't from watching your favourite team on a box, it's from actually playing that sport with other humans and experiencing all the ups and downs together and in your own head. If they want to continue to run these crooked leagues in cahoots with the crooked media channels who support them then TAX those pricks and put the money back into the kids they are stealing from and brainwashing.
American Sports is a religion, burn it down
Stick to minor league baseball and college sports.
As a baseball fan, I can honestly say I am no longer willing to pay for the price of a MLB admission. I’m terribly disappointed with MLB, and the slap-on -the- wrist the Houston Astros received. My question is this, how can a PROFESSIONAL BASEBALL PLAYER be happy with a win, when they cheated? I’ve lost all respect for the Louston Hackstros!!!
How many times is Altuve gonna get beaned this season?
Good point
That system bob is talking about is in place already, Why do these guys act talk like they don’t know it’s already in place, haven’t they read the articles where it clearly says that prior to the 2019 season they had MLB video monitors in each clubhouse and there was an 8 second video delay on the feeds!
Because it's always going bring out something small that is actually huge, and no I didn't say "huge" like Trump lol
They didn't void the 1919 series because the Reds didn't cheat. The White Sox threw the games. It would be unfair to them to lose their title because a better team cheated to make them win. It wasn't their fault. This is different.
That is true. In the case of the 1919 Reds, it's a tough argument. On the one hand, they didn't cheat and they deserved whatever they got. On the other hand, even if they didn't cheat, the other team wasn't trying which, entirely unfairly to the Reds, makes the Reds' title seem tainted, as if it were something they didn't earn.
You could certainly still have replay/review, just don't give the team a review room. Let the manager decide whether to ask for a review or not, without looking at a review. That would definitely speed up the game, as well as stopping this form of cheating. Maybe also there should be a rule that players don't get off scott-frfee when their whole team is caught cheating!
Why didn't AJ say "Stop this"? Because it was working! How much of hitting is confidence and how much more confidence can you instill than knowing what pitches are coming. IMO, the Astros and Red Sox titles should be stripped.
No doubt. Take those titles away. How can you be an Astros fan and feel good about this? Answer: You can't.
Just allow more tech. Allow pitchers and catchers and coaches to communicate electronically. Problem solved. Baseball desperately needs to be modernized.
Hell, let the catchers text the pitch to the pitcher. Lol
So it’s time the fans and dodgers just start beaning Astro batters
Paul Kelley I cant wait to see the first game of Astros @ Yankees this year. I think it’s going to be one for the record books
@@IamKogl yeah, the stros are just gonna take it. Beshahaha
@@fredwright987 Bring out Chapman in the first inning, tell him to just go ahead and cro-hop off the mound hehehe
I don’t understand how he can say that they didn’t need this. This was the only way they beat the Yankees. (I’m a dodgers fan).
Who are the other 8 teams that the Astros said were cheating? What about the coaches on the Astros staff that had to know there was sign-stealing going on? Astros need to clean house.
The fact that the MLB Network is pushing this "this punishment is soooo tough," is a bunch of BS. This punishment doesn't hurt anyone except Luhnow, Hinch, and Cora who can still recover from this. Crane is being lauded as a great guy for firing these POS when he still banked millions off that WS win. Should have been lifetime bans for Crane, Luhnow, Hinch, Cora, and Beltran. I'll never watch MLB Network again after watching them defend some of these guys. They are pushing this "it was all the players" narrative which, after someone else pointed this out, is awfully convenient when a CBA negotiation is coming up. This whole Hinch was against it is a huge lie btw lmao. Smug bastard lied in press conferences when accused and is still lying.
Shut your front door BOB. Question BOB ? when the MLB decided They wanted video in the dugouts so that MLB can get close to the player and Every Manger said NO.. MLB said if you don't do this they would fine the team..... Question is where is the culpability with this ? Bang !
You can tell Bob truly loves baseball
Punishment was a joke. The Astros should have to vacate their title and players should've been punished not given immunity.
As long as owners are the bosses of the commissioner, I don't see any titles being vacated.
Rich and Bob are awesome sports guys! Smart guys
Bob Costas is working for MLB. What did it actually cost the Astros. They still get to keep a World Series at the cost of a GM and manager. Any team would take that any day of the week.
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I like Bob, but I'm sick of hearing about pace of play. It's a non issue. Making the game end 20-30 minutes sooner isn't bringing in new fans.
Thank you!
They sent an unmistakable message...
That cheating will be tolerated to roughly the same degree as going over the luxury tax threshold, which also costs draft picks and more than $5M.
Rob Manfred has failed baseball. The game is officially corrupted going forward.
The commission did absolutely nothing for this heinous incident. Suspending coaches doesnt matter one bit. Everyone knows professional sports is player driven. Why not ban the entire Astros roster from 2017 for one year?
What I dont understand is why does the replay booth need to even be on grounds? They have this new technology called a PHONE. You can talk to anyone anywhere in the world that also has a PHONE.
well u can always put a BLACK spot over the spot on the video where the hand signals would be shown by the catcher.. just a thought.. Thank u for the upload.. be winner not the dinner.. /
Those championships should officially have asterisks added.
True. Now let's move forward.
You knew BONDS was coming.
And nothing happens to the players? egregious. I'm the farthest thing from a NY Yankees fan (im a cardinals fan) and I still feel bad for Chapman and the rest of the Yankees,,,they got screwed.
The Commissioner knew about this exact scandal long before Mike Fiers spilled the beans. The Commissioner knew that this would hurt the brand of MLB and kept it hush hush. It wasn't until Fiers made it public and everyone watched the 2017 games on TH-cam to verify it that the Commissioner decided to do anything serious about it.
How can you guys keep saying these guys are great managers? They CHEATED.
As I get older, into my fifties, and remain a sports enthusiast I’m realizing the old saying “If you ain’t cheating you ain’t trying” is really an accurate summation. Being a Buffalo sports fan and championshipless through my life.....damn, guys, you ain’t cheatin’ enough! Let’s go!
I abhor cheating and lying - taught my children that. Buffalo Bills have to be one of the greatest teams of all time - sure they lost four Super Bowls in a row - but they had to be THAT good to GET into four Super Bowls in a row.
I abhor it too....however, it is imbedded in our daily lives, be it sports, politics, friendships, relationships, law enforcement, sales, advertising, nutrition....it's sad but it's everywhere.
You know who I feel most bad for?Pete Rose sure what he did was dumb but it was less harmful towards baseball than what the Astros did.
and now Cora's gone too
As usual, Costas is correct. However, the punishment is not severe enough. Astros should have been denied all draft picks in next draft.
I don't understand why people keep bringing up 1919. The Cincinnati Reds didn't do anything wrong. Did the White Sox throw the series, yes but why would the series be in question when the Reds did nothing wrong? The Cincinnati Reds could have legitimately won the World Series regardless of the White Sox cheating or not. We'll never truly know. But the Astros cheated and won. That's totally and completely different. And on top of that the Astros cheated the entire season to get into the World Series. The White Sox legitimately got in the 1919 World Series then threw the games. How insane would it be for the MLB to strip the Cincinnati Reds of a world series title when they had nothing to do with the White Sox throwing the series?! The Reds and the Sox played legitimate 154 game seasons while the Astros probably cheated at least half of all of their games during their world series winning season! This is a million times worse than 1919 not to sound too hyperbolic.
Come on Rich. Game 7 may have happened in LA, but that series doesn't even make it to a game 7 if the Astros couldn't miraculously continue to come back in game 5.
There is a center field camera being used for the TV broadcast at all games. This is in the locker room so that batters can check there previous at bats. These are the only two teams that have used this to read signs and get this is formation to the batter.
Sure.....
I still feel the Astros should be stripped of their World Series. we know it will never happen but I feel that that would send a much stronger message. I also hope that this will stunt the growth in addition I’ll technology within baseball.
Many Pats fans still deny they ever cheated.
Vacate the 2017-2018 WS titles. Move on. Baseball will be fine.
Could MLB set up a buzzer/bandaid communication for pitchers and catchers to totally cut out signs?
Winners never cheat, and cheaters never win!
Love Bob C.
I'll be glad to rid hitters of looking at previous abs between plate appearances
The punishment was weak and Altuve needs to give his MVP to Judge.
Baseball is an antiquated sport culturally... The current NHL is a more appropriate model for MLB
Notice Bob is never critical of the players. They are the ones that cheated. He then tries the old everybody is doing it excuse. With no evidence. Bob is beholden to MLB.
In the Olympic Games, you get caught cheating, you lose your medal.
Looks like the Astros will be leading the league in hit batsmen this year. More brawls than normal involving this team. What a sad embarrassment for a once proud team.
Astros away record was much better than their home record in 2017 where they used the trash can technology. They didn’t even need it. So sad.
WRONG. Look deeper.
Yet Pete Rose is still banned
Every player that enters a game must take a lie detector test after each inning....