@@karinefonte516 She-Ra (2018) depicts a different royalty system, from all that I can tell (and still heavily features characters who are queens). This time, Casta earns her title as Head Sorceress. It's easy to cherry pick ONE character who got demoted in this show. Plenty more characters seem a lot more interesting and prominent than their 80's counterparts. The new She-Ra had a 52-episode run. Not every character could have a complex storyline. And it's a shame we didn't see more of Casta's journey! But I think it's hard to say that the show fails us in the "women with a complex storyline" department, given its constricted runtime! I'll admit I've only seen a couple of episodes of the original show. I find it jarring to watch because I'm used to much newer animation (with a few exceptions such as Scooby-Doo and Tom and Jerry) and TV in general - which doesn't mean it's "bad" or anything, of course not.
@@HaywireRuckus No, it's a proper royalty system where kings and queens are the highest rulers, there were kings who got killed off, and their daughters never got promoted to queens, hence the rebellion being the "princess alliance". It's the same issue with Disney princesses, and The Princess Diaries films, etc.; queens don't appeal to girls, they are adults and thus older, they have accountability and responsibility; girls and women don't like that. They want all the perks of power, but none of the drawbacks, they like to dictate what needs to be done, without suffering the consequences if it goes wrong, along with staying eternally young and fertile; and fiction and capitalism; especially when it is written by women caters to that.
She-Ra was NEVER He-Man's inferior. Like most things in the 80's feminism was picking up steam, since the 70's, and so when a girl cartoon was created, the typical oh so perfect female heroine was created. And yes, She-Ra pretty much is perfect. She was kind, brave and selfless, her foes were more powerful than her own brother's (Skeletor was Hordak's LIEUTENANT and he gave He-Man troubles), and her problems were never of her own making and were smaller compared to He-Man's. Let's face it, loving a 'bad boy' isn't a flaw, it's a fantasy, especially as she gets to redeem him. Meanwhile her brother is forced to play the buffoon, which costs him the eternal respect of his own father who lamented that he wish He-Man was his son, rather than Adam. She-ra was never He-Man's inferiour. Anyone says otherwise is a liar and should disregard as they have an agenda.
I always thought that She-ra was He-man's equal in every way. Both of them were brave, kind, compassionate, strong and found non violent ways around problems.....its what I admired most in both shows
@@Slitheringpeanut You rather hit the nail on the head, tho' one can say Hordak got a better promotion because Skeletor DID get captured and sung like a canary, while Hordak managed to capture Adora and enslaved most of Eternia. All that aside I don't believe Larry DeTillo and others intended to make She-Ra superior to He-Man, just some of the stuff came off that way, especially given in the 80's we really started to see a lot of 'mishandled empowerment' moves in various media. Some handled well, some not so good. Otherwise, you make a compelling point that aside from my minor points, I concur with wholly.
@@XenoJehuty84 I don't think there was any maliciousness involved, just data based on some tests. Back in the mid-60's early 70's, the networks found out that the biggest consumer of visual media like television and movies were women, to the tune of 60%. And wanting to know how to market and make money they ran a few psychological tests. The Networks found that women do not like to be seen as socially awkward and that they like to 'be' the person on screen, unlike men, who just want to have the abilities of the hero and have their own adventures. Boys want to HAVE He-Man's powers, girls want to BE She-Ra. And the 'Mary Sue' (a term coined by a woman who wrote a parody of the Star Trek self-insert fan fiction of the time) was an excellent way to get women into their shows. Unfortunately, since the 80's She-Ran and other girl's shows, we (as a society) have taken it too far and now we have... Well, this among other things.
Honestly, this ‘demotion’ would’ve been fine if she had just been more... magical? She’s praised as a high sorceress throughout the show, but barely does anything.
Its cuz she's a *side character* like Sea Hawk (at first) is accredited with being one of the best sailors in the sea and he barely does anything to show us that other than act like simple stuff should have taken years for even those like an experienced sailor like himself.
@@acelesbianmrclean sea hawk exists mostly to be mermista’s ride, if a mermaid princess trusts him regularly to transport her that should speak enough for his skills without extra screentime… a non-runestone connected human mastering magic and being trusted with effectively full control over a floating magical educational institution should speak enough to her skills without extra screentime
@@healgoth Sea hawk is not established as Mermista's ride until the princess prom episode. In his first episode he transported 3 people across the sea, Shera herself, Glimmer (a princess) and Bow. Because he's established as the best sailor in all of Etheria. And we all know that they were dating before they became known to the audience. Every time Mermista says "He's just my ride" she's blushing meaning that he wasn't JUST her ride, he was her date.
I loved crossover episodes. Seeing She-Ra and He-Man work together was so exciting because both were badass characters in their own right, so you knew you were in for double the badassery.
And that movie where he man and she ra teamed up together was great. I felt emotion when Adam (he man) brought back adora (she ra) as a surprise to his parents and they shed in tears of joy after reuniting with their lost daughter, that to me was the most powerful moments in the masters of the universe series, that’s something I wanna see, but apparently not today because everything has to made into shit but hack writers and bad actors
@@NG-gy6iv oh no I’m referring to the Netflix version being shit not the original he man and she ra movie crossover that one was better if I forgot to say the Netflix version being shit
@@jasonyoungkin1117 The Netflix version IS awesome. Don't blame the writers of the Netflix series for the fact that they're owned by different creators now. And at least She Ra doesn't need to play second fiddle to He man anymore
I don't think the problem is about representation. The problem is that the writer's don't know anything about She-ra. In the new show Castaspella is seen as incompetent compared to Shadoweaver and it's played for laughs. If they knew about the original they would have seen the irony of their writing. Unfortunately, they care way too much about their new fan-fic to actually look.
How did the cheesy show from the 80s that operated under ALOT more restrictions have more compelling characters arcs than the reboot which can basically do whatever it wants?
@Patrick's Crazy Place Oh good, I don't have to say it... But I'm not dumb, I get why this is the case. 1. The show runners care more about expressing their ideology than writing a good story. All this crap about diversity and representation is merely advertising to entice people to watch the show... 2. I suspect that the showrunners don't have the life experience to make these characters compelling and relatable, hence why they seem so empty and devoid of interesting traits compared to the original She-Ra.
I think when you have a bad animation, budget and a lot of restrictions, you need good story writers to keep it relevant and people coming back. But if you have a lot of money for animation you can usually distract people with flashy fights.
It takes pressure to make a diamond. Without it, you end up with coal tar sludge like this. The current creators have no pressure, therefore we are given this lax barely put together show.
Thank you for pointing out how they treated Castaspella's demotion that it doesn't make sense to even write her into the story if she's has no use in it. Very shoddy and poor treatment that they had to showcase Micah over her and not to have agency in her own right. 80s is far better for her and prefer it that way. Thanks for the video!
The thing I really like about this show is that I connected to Entrapta ALOT, as I have autism. I have purple hair, I like animals as much as she likes tech and data. I'm socially awkward, it's hard to make friends. And she's funny, she's honestly my favorite and I really am happy I have a character to connect to
I loved and related to Entrapta when I tried watching the show. The reason I stopped was because it wasn't fun to watch all of the characters constantly hate the one character I connected to.
Here's one thing that could have fix Castaspella ,Micha, and Angela's relationship. Micha and Castaspella were twins who worked under Lightspinner and her acts to achieve power lead to Micha working harder for more offensive spells to fight off Shadow Weaver if she comes back, plus the horde, and Casptaspella to study defensive and healing magic to save and protect. This would lead them to have a difference in acting in the war, to be strong enough and go off against the foe or stay and insure the safety of their people. This would lead to Angela and Micha falling in love and Micha now wanting to protect two kingdoms at once, putting more strain on him. Castaspella grows to have a unfriendly relationship with Angela for the pressure her brother has to go through. And when he dies, it becomes and huge shift for them. Angela left a widow, Glimmer fatherless, and Castaspella without her brother who she swore to protect, this will give weight to how the death of a loved one can effect a family.
"a spinoff is always in the shadow of the mother show" Have they never seen or heard from xena and it way more irrelevant mother show. Its fair to say that heman is more famous but saying its in the shadow because spin off is unfair. Sheera is a fairly famous character on her own.
Me: You wanna keep character relationships or at the very least make the new relationships worthwhile? She-ra: No Me: Wanna go depth to the characters you do have and not make them shallow most of the time? She-ra: No Me: This is just a fanfic isn't it? She-ra: Ye
It pretty much is, considering only one person seems to get actually development while others either stay the same, get nothing, develop then regress, or just regress to a worst state
+Think Fight Talk No it is NOT a fanfic. Fanfic writers don't get paid, we write out of love for the characters. Furthermore a lot of fanfic writers actually ADD a lot of depth to shallow characters.
Sorry but the current She Ra represents nothing but contradiction. Wasted 5 years to hate on the original because they didn't know how to represent themselves.
I think the story of old Shadow Weaver and Castaspella says it all; they hate the old Castaspella because she got her way through hard work vs Shadow Weaver who tried to force her way into everything and ended up not just fucking up things for the people connected to her but herself. DOESN'T THIS SOUND A BIT FAMILIAR? In essense, Noelle and Co are like the old Shadow Weaver where they feel that just by default they are obligated to have everything they want, doubly so because of whatever status they can cling to and throw around. Castaspella on the other hand proves that hard work will pay off in the end no matter your gender which is an argument that Noelle n co use almost as a massive crutch on their own, that is that because they are women they will never have chances and therefor everything must be handed to them now because of how things went in the pass, despite in their efforts they have also erased women who have defied stigmas LONG before they have, placing themselves on a mantle they did nothing to deserve. That or there is the other idea that Noelle n Co are writing themselves into the series so what we're seeing is how they idolize themselves and wish how things could be with other people. And we already know how much they hate male characters to begin with so Norwin's downgrade isn't anything new but again, what they want and wish for when it comes to them getting in that position of power. Of fucking course Norwin's not going to have any decent character development. Has ANY character with a dick in this show gotten one? NO. That's how fucking delusional Noelle n Co are. They're so distracted in trying to make 'PERFECT FEMALE REPRESENTATION' that the only way they know how to do that is taking every male character and fucking up their own story and motivation and Noelle isn't the first person guilty of this type of shitty writing. It's happened so many fucking time with all these 'NU' progressive writers it's not funny anymore. They aren't being transparent at all in the message they're trying to give but in doing so they're not just showing their hand in whatever 'agenda' you want to call, if you want to call it agenda at all. No, what they're doing is showing off just at the end of the day they're terrible writers. They can't deal with multifaceted characters, no matter what status said character has. All they're out to do is 'prove' something but all they've proved is that they can't even deal with a show where things are already laid out for them nor can then even handle their own messages. In their attempts to make She-Ra stronger by not having her stand in Adam's shadow (which she never did even in her own show. He-Man was already OFF by the time She-Ra was on) they've actually made her seem weaker since she has no grasp of her own powers and is so far still so socially inept that she can't even function normally as a civilian. Contrast to the original Adora who took the helm in the original movie/special and from that moment on knew she had to hold onto such a massive responsibility so there was no fucking time for proms or spa days or whatever the fuck this show is trying to give us. They can't pace anything right yet we're supposed to find this show as some sort of genius reboot? Kiss my Black ass, this show is fucking horrible and it's even worse at representation. What representation? Just recoloring everyone with shitty tans isn't 'representation', Noelle. Drawing everyone like lumpy potatoes isn't 'representation', Noelle. Making nearly every male character in this show an emasculated creep isn't 'representation', Noelle. Thinking that shipping everyone together isn't 'representation', Noelle. If people like Noelle focused on developing characters as much as they obsessed over click-baiting sites to mention how much they 'represented' we wouldn't be here. We wouldn't be here pointing out plot holes, terrible character writing and bad direction. We'd actually be enjoying the fucking show but this is where we are and this is why I keep saying don't let slacktivist make your fucking cartoons.
Can you also do video on the Male representation in the show? Cuz I find the males as comedy relief or so weak that they are not a threat. 4 Seasons and only 2 classic Male Horde members have appeared. Grizzlor is a background character and Tung Lashor was killed off in his only appearance.
By default, when I see anything that goes way out of its way to claim it's all about "female empowerment" my mind immediately goes, "Well, that's probably gonna suck. I'll be safe with my time and money and avoid that", and I stay away. And I say this as a woman. I need more than just straight up "female empowerment", people. I need a story that means something, characters that I can get behind, and a lot of good, quality effort put into the project that I can really appreciate. If I need a dose of pointless drivel, that's what I go perusing fanfictions for.
The "female empowerment" shtick would have been interesting if it was the 80s-90s, but now it's just fucking boring and bland. It's the same patterns. And this is coming from a woman.
I'm a woman and I agree. "FEMALE EMPOWERMENT" means next to nothing now, just "LOOK AT ME AND MY SELF-INSERTS -- OOPS MY CHARACTERS, DON'T YOU DARE CRITICIZE ME!! FEEEEEEEEEEEEEMINISM!!"
@@thebluerainbow That's one of the most frustrating parts. They use it as a shield to hide behind so they can ignore all criticism even when it's constructive. Current "female empowerment" keeps female characters dull and one-dimensional. Then when WOMEN demand to be represented in a well-rounded way, WE'RE the ones who are consider backwards.
The most disappointing thing about the new She Ra reboot is that it has potential but it is ultimately wasted. In comparison the old show while dated is still far superior in terms of character and story.
You should look at the part when they lan something out in D&D style and everyone wears the 80s outfits. They look far better in those. In front of all Catra. (0s is superios in any way even when used to joke about the classic show. Also proves that the original outfit is not a stripper one as claimed.
Because it was there job on the line they could be fired or canceled at a moments notice. You didn't have all these people with there head up there own Arse thinking there the greatest thing.
Can I ask have any of you actually watched all of the reboot She-ra? The characters definitely are good and have a great storyline. I think the main problem is that they called this a reboot. When it really isn't. It has the same characters and storyline with changes. This show is not for the old She-ra fans. It just isn't. It's something new yet retro for the newer generations. They're biggest mistake was trying to drawn in old fans with this show but that doesn't mean it's doesn't have great qualities.
If the IP owner really wants a solely women team they should contact Clamp in Japan. Those women aren't on twitter 24/7. They do work and create awesome stories. *even though this whole only women stick is b*ll).
I’ve been watching the show nonstop, never seen the original one but I have he-man. Now I’m a 26 year old guy and I can honestly say that I’ve enjoyed the Netflix adaptation. It has its great moments for a kids show. Perhaps because I went into it without any bias or listening to either side of the herd who’s for or against it. I’ve personally had a few laughs watching it. I think people make everything too political nowadays.
Not all women have to be badass and warriors. Plus there are plenty of strong, capable women in the show. Even though characters like Castsaspella don't get much screentime, they are still good characters nonetheless.
But the thing is that castaspella is literally stripped of her backstory for Micah and isn’t really that active in the story (especially since she has no rivalry with shadow weaver)
As someone who did not complete the original She-ra series (watched a bit but didn’t enjoy the animation style) and loved the reboot, I really wanted to watch someone who would give an intellectual insight into where the reboot falls short in the eyes of those who enjoyed the original and I think you both honed your points really well without sounding like disgruntled fans that wanted to simply trash the reboot. Though I do not agree with all of your points I do agree with some of them. Having Castaspella’s original story be transferred to Micah to be her exceptionally gifted older brother to create a sibling cliche where she lives in her older brother’s shadow- that’s exposed through dialogue by Shadoweaver only to be promptly ignored- was unnecessary. Additionally having her act as the “stereotypical aunt”, though probably meant to add some light-heartedness to a serious situation, failed at that and ended up just being annoying at times. However, i did not agree with everything. It is important to note that the new She-re is a REBOOT and not a REMAKE. Rather than recreating the same story with different graphics (I.e. the live action Disney movies) the Netflix She-ra takes the same characters and puts a whole new spin to them (I.e. Netflix’s Legendary Defenders of Voltron or Cartoon Network’s Teen Titans Go and Powderpuff Girls). Granted, the original version of a production will always cast a shadow over any reboots or remakes that follow it, and fans of any original have every right to get upset when new versions aren’t up to par, especially when it tramples on the their childhood nostalgia. I definitely faced this when Teen Titans Go was initially announced but eventually, after numerous months, ended up enjoying the show for what it is - a light hearted, comedic look into the daily lives of the Titans separate from the high-stakes, high- intensity battles from the original. Same characters, different story. On that note, to claim that Netflix’s She-ra doesn’t show representation has me wondering what your definition of representation is. First, your entire argument rests on the exclusion of the complex relationship between Castaspella and Lightspinner/ Shadoweaver, but you fail to mention how that relationship still exists but in different characters (Adora and Catra) and how the original idea was expanded upon (from the allies-to-enemies arc to the friends-enemies-lovers arc) to create an even more complex dynamic between Adora, Catra, and Shadoweaver. Second, Castaspella didn’t get weaker from the original to the reboot, her role was just changed. Instead of being the QUEEN of the KINGDOM of Mysticore she became the HEADMISTRESS to the ACADEMY of Mysticore. As such, holding the highest position deigns her as the most powerful and just as educated and well-versed in sorcery as her regal counterpart. To ignore that and imply her new role as Glimmer’s aunt makes her a lesser character is myopic. Third, the original She-ra taught girls they can use their own power to fight for what’s right, and did it well (from what research I’ve done) and the new She-ra again expands upon that. Empowerment is displayed numerous ways: female empowerment through ranging character body types and personalities atypical to the “female character” stereotype; queer empowerment through the normality of every homosexual relationship; and racial empowerment through the cream, brown, pink, green, blue, purple, etc. skin tones and character species. The Netflix version could never replicate the original. Not only because the original is legendary in its own right, but because the times, tech, and people have changed drastically in the 25 years since the original aired. Comparing the two isn’t fair. Those in the comments using flimsy excuses like “lack of representation”, "no boobs" and “ginger bias” to diss the show because their nostalgia is being messed with is understandable, but still ridiculous.
What is it with current remakes and bashing/disowning their predecessor? Honestly, it just makes them look even worse by trying to “recapture” the original’s essence without putting any effort into it and stomping on the original to make themselves seem like the “improved” version.
They can't create new things. They try to cash on nostalgia while sh*tting on that fanbase (It is just for kids). They don't want you to watch it to have fun. They want to make you feel guilty so you watch it. They want to preach not to entertain.
The thing that makes me angry about the reboot is that they focous on the best friend squad. F*ck them. Why not make episodes focous on the history of the war or other people like the princesses or the people of the kingdoms?????
Cause it's for kids. Even though the 80s show did exactly what you just stated. But we need more teen angst in a show that was originally about on going conflict between good and evil.
Because of western animation like this nowadays no one wants to watch it and it's complete garbage they rather watch western animation done by independent animators or manga & anime
@@tayojones9460 definitely! There was a ton of new shows, new projects (some failed, some succeeded) etc. It sucks how nowadays there's this trend to remake and/or reboot everything. Teen Titans, Powerpuff Girls, Sabrina the witch, Thundercats... only crappier.
Puts a huge damper of that "representation" they claim to care so much about. I find it funny how when you care more about representation than the whole story, you either do too much or try too hard, or you don't do enough. A creator doesn't have to take away everything a character has to change them. Sometimes you don't even need to change anything to a character. If you're just changing stuff or adding characters for the sake of representation, then you need to think over more than twice at the concept phase or drawing board again. "Female empowerment" would have had more value if it was the 80s-90s, but today, the whole "women empowerment" thing is just oversaturated with the same boring and uninteresting theme. It all feels the same to me, more so than the claim of the "nowadays songs sound the same" bit. I liked Mulan because it wasn't just empowerment, it's honor and she joined the army in place of her ill father. It wasn't just becoming a queen or something or proving she can be capable. She is capable but she didn't have to be up in people's faces to prove that. She didn't wanna prove anything much, she just wanted to fight for her country. It was her duty the moment she joined. She wanted to help or protect her father so he doesn't bear the burden of being killed while being ill in the war. When I look back, the old version had more restrictions to work around while the new one has so much to do whatever the hell it wants, but did so badly. I then realized that when you have less, you may have to think more and you end up doing more. When you have more, you may think less and end up doing less. Also, excluding He-Man would be a slap to the faces of people who have siblings lol.
Wow. I just feel conflicted as a woman. I do respect your feelings and looking at life without the sugar. A part of me wants to believe that the show will improve. The other tells me to drop it. Only time will tell.
I would say drop it and wait for another reboot when hopefull Hollywood and entertainment industry destroyed themselves and actual talented people buildit up again. As long as the current team works on it and get sugar blown into the bottom by the media and doesn't allow any critics there will be no real improvement.
Regarding the rivalry between Shadow weavers and the other Magic user ( not even going to try spelling her name ) my guess is they wanted to focus entirely on Shadow wervers relationship with Catra.They didn't know how to fit in both.
@@Carabas72 as the creators said, castaspella only appeared in ONE EPISODE, as the extremely cliche “aunt that does hardly anything besides be a cliche” side character.
@@EarthboundEnthusiast she reapers multiple times, although early on (season 1) she only appears once. But she is a part of the survivors after Hoard Prime came to take over everything! Also, have you forgotten Glimmer's coronation? She was trying to give her niece a perfect day! AND SHE IS A SIDE CHARACTER!
It's made more clearer that Stevenson and the rest working on this show barely paid attention to the original. They just took Stevenson's fanfic and threw on She-Ra character names to what seemed most relevant. You'd think the Castaspella and Shadow Weaver rivalry be a good parallel for the reboot's Adora and Catra rivalry.
@@Saltedroastedcaramel I'm surprised no one complained about that when the reboot was in production, must've been buried under everyone who complained about new she ra not having breasts.
1:15 - that alone betrays that they hadn't even BOTHERED to watch original She-Ra. The very first episodes show her come into her own as a character and that she made the choice herself to become She-Ra; the Netflix version, from what I have read, has it just "happen" to her and she doesn't know how to do it. First failure in female representation - ignoring that She-Ra/Adora has AGENCY/CHOICE to do what she does, from going to see her birth parents to leaving to join the rebellion. (I'm also mad at the other obvious marker that they had never ever seen classic She-Ra - Queen Marlena's relationship with Adora and her breakdown when her daughter is kidnapped again.) ETA - Micah was turned into a KID?? What the HELL! They can't stand the thought of Glimmer having a DAD who still cares for her?
you realize that,,,, her character arc,, is learning to have agency over she-ra. her having complete control over her powers as soon as she gets them is stupid. throughout the entire show her character arc is learning that she is more than just a giant lady with a sword and through learning that, she learns how to truly control and harness the power of she-ra.
When you haven't watched the entire series before it is completed, this is what you get ^^^^. Micah.. well spoiler Glimmer has a dad that cares about her. Also the whole point of the show was for Adora to realize that she DOES have a choice and she doesn't always have to do what everyone wants her to do. That She-Ra isn't this other persona but it is Adora, hence how Adora learned to control the power on her own in season 5.
I used to praise the Netflix She-ra for some things I believed they did right, but seeing you two comparing to the originals (which I have no recollection of anymore, after so much time has passed since I watched the reruns when I was 7), I can see the show is a lot worse than I thought it was...
I think in the beginning a lot of people had purple glasses of nostalgia on and oversaw the huge flaws and plottholes at first. But as the show goes on they become undenyable. Sometime you really wish something is good even though it isn't.
@@BlackCroft666 I wasn't that much onto She-ra and He-man when I was a kid, I watched more because it was the only thing airing at those time slots. Even as a Kid I never liked He-man's... well, attire. No, what made me like She-ra reboot at first is how serious it *tries* to be. I see a trend in cartoons that started with Teen Titans, where every cartoon must be extremely colorful, extremely over the top and so noisy like thy're trying to grab the attention of someone with severe ADHD in a train station. She-ra reboot had a more serious undertone with the idea of child soldiers, betrayal, Catra unable to understand change can be a good thing for her, and the way characters talk to each other allowed for the ideas behind each chapter sink in. It reminds me a lot of the early 2010's, when animation in the West had respect for itself. I guess you can say I could see what the minds behind the project were trying to do, while ignoring the flawed execution. I did catch on to a lot of errors, but since I was unaware most of the plot points and character dynamics had already been done in the original with far better execution, I was giving it a pass. Now that M and J have compiled quite a lot of points against the reboot using the original as a landmark and the interviews I see both on their channel, ClownfishTV and The Quartering, I am far less willing to be as kind to the show as I was until recently.
@@TwilightWolf032 I think that that's how I was with Legend of Korra, especially as they were teens rather than kids. After the show ended, I later read about WHY Avatar fans hated it so much and it started to sink in that there were legitimate problems character and storyline consistency wise, aside from the sense I did have at the back of my mind that LoK was just "all show, no substance". Now I see Korra as an angry, self-serving asshole!
@@marigoann2755 Same here. I enjoyed the show while it lasted, and that video on "Legend of Whorra" really struck me as odd when I first saw it. Thought it was just an edgy guy hating on the show for not being the Last Airbender, but when I finally decided to watch it, all I could see were good arguments that painted Khorra in a very different light.
I agree a lot with this observation and I also think that the “She-ra” name/lore holds the creators back in ways that if it was a new original wouldn’t. I mean they are picking and choosing what lore they change and what they keep the same because they don’t know how to make it work. It feels like a fan-fiction that starts off offering more but then leave you to try and connect the dots with half the information.
The problem with new western cartoons is the lack of identity, they try to appeal to a young age but also want to make the story overly deep and complicated which makes us question if they are trying to appeal to a more mature audience as well, and with the series having very set episodes i feel like the writers wouldnt be able to flesh out and expand the story more so everything becomes a huge mess
there's stuff out there that is both kid friendly but also have complex stories and characters that have worked work very well. . its all about the WAY its done
I feel like if Noelle had more than 52 seasons everything would have worked out different. Like I love Catras redemption but it felt a bit rushed but I can also see not wanting to start it too early and messing it up. More episodes would have done the show some justice. Like Avatar the last airbender is a western kids show (no its not anime idk why people don't get that). And they did a hella good job with being deep and goofy at the same time, but they had more time to do it.
Not to mention that there’s nothing wrong with people having relationships of the same or opposite gender and can still have their own character Great video as always
I never knew why the reboot is claiming more female representation because if they saw the original they would know that the creators wanted to create a female he-man specifically for female audiences.
1. The hate everything female. She-Ra is the top of strong female beauty and a fit body. 2. They have to ignore every achivement so they can pretend that they are the first people doing LGBT cartoons with female and blah blah virtue signalling 3. Apparently everything from the 80s is mysagonist because they were created in the 80s. Like every male character invented in the 40s must be a wife hitting racist asswh*le because it was the 40s. 4. They don't care about hard work or research (which explains why the original relationship was skipped to. To be remained that only hard works make you succeed is offensive to them).
@@BlackCroft666 They hate everything male, though, they are feminists. The problem becomes that female and male complement one another and they need each other to procreate and raise children. Which they hate because it means that women need men (and vice versa but they're hatred blinds them to that) and so in order to make women not need men, they paradoxically need to hate and destroy women and femininity.
There are barely even any male characters in the show- I mean, come on. There’s only two main male characters, Bow and Micha. If you consider Micha a male character. If anything, there isn’t enough male representation. It’s like we didn’t even watch the same show.
That is definitely true but the newer one (as far as I can tell because I haven’t watched the old one, but it seems like you haven’t watched the new one either and your still complaining) has more diversity among the female characters, like, they don’t all just fit into one body type. The old she-ra definitely was revolutionary for the time, and we wouldn’t have all the amazing female heroes we do today without it. and all the new she-ra is doing is taking basically those same characters and giving them a different story, different personalities, different skin tones, different sexuality’s, different body types, and different character arcs, it is a reboot after all. Also, as they said in the video, by removing he-man she-ra can step out of his shadow. And as amazing as the old she-ra was for it’s time, it is pretty dated, In its voices, character designs, and other stuff. The new she-ra is just appealing to newer audiences with more a modern story. -an almost twelve year old who loves the new she-ra
@@rosa-we5tb thats true (there’s also see hawk, hordak, hord prime, wrong hordak, Kyle, rohelio, bows dads, double trouble (who isn’t a boy but isnt a girl either) swift wind, and literally all of the clones. but I get your point that there are more girls that boys) but just remember, how many women are there in Star Trek? Star Wars? And loads of other (older) tv shows? I’ll answer that. Very few, especially strong ones. Besides, it’s in a different universe, so maybe there just aren’t that many boys in that universe?
I remember when the princesses & queens in the original felt real. They never just stood by and did nothing. They had to deal with foreign nation, worry about the Horde attacking their land. They weren't dotting adults who does absolutely nothing to aid their people or the rebellion. Mermista did nothing and just accepted the sea wall would fall and let her people flee. Entrapta who was never royalty cares for none of her people. Queen Angela honestly does nothing compared to the original where she fought for her husband. Fought by her people. Fought along side her daughter. Glimmer is a irresponsible idiotic brat, compared to in the original when she had the responsibility of the Horde and her Kingdom before Adora/She-Ra aided them. These newer version of these character have less responsibilities, are less heroic and are played for laughs. This reboot takes two steps back for strong female representation.
For a show so animate about doing representation, they sure are stereotypical about it Characters fight like kids outside a cafeteria (Remember the first fight with Adora and Glimmer?) Gay characters that act like a sitcom gay couple (Bow’s parents) Some characters look stereotypical (Frosta) Some characters ACT stereotypical (Adora and Bow) Also for a show about feminism and being more empowering than that pesky OG, they have prom episodes, DnD, and all these generic episodes Kinda insulting this is what media finds to be great representation
*_THANK YOU_* I'm not surprised with the Catradora ship because Adora looks more "masculine" than Catra with a broader, probably flatter chest and boyish structured face.
@@mysryuza I've heard that the Adora/Catra relationship is actually pretty toxic though not seen as such? If so, that's fucked up especially when they don't INTEND to have something fucked up.
You took the words out of my mouth. I truly wish this was better, but it's just another feminist cartoon reboot in a world chock full of reboots and feminist cartoons. There's just has nothing special about it.
@@ac6155 Gingerism is a thing, at least in America. Besides that, this show specifically got rid of all red heads. If they had done what they did with Glimmer's mother and given them fantasy colored hair, but they just gave them black hair, which is the most normal hair color. Bo is the only one who was actually race bent. Castaspella and Sea hawk are still white but the removed their red hair for no reason. A lot of modern media rebooting older shows and movies seem to specifically remove redheads. Ariel is the only Disney princess who had her race changed, Cindy is still blonde, Belle is still brunette, Jasminestill has black hair, but the one red head had to go. MCU's MJ is also no longer a redhead. The point is it's a trend and it's really annoying seeing these show runners and executives virtue signal how diverse they are and how everyone is included, while actively removing redhair representation while leaving everyone else blonde and brunette.
I think the original She-Ra has better female representation!👍 And just because someone seems "older", doesn't mean they can't do something they love anymore. That's just shallow thinking.... And calling someone "old" is very rude! Please stop!
I respect your opinion but the original She-Ra characters had like one body time that was supposed to be “pretty” which can do a lot of damage for a girls body image. Now I’m not saying that the original doesn’t have powerful female characters.
@@snowcatapeller the reboot? Because if yes then I highly disagree. The tritagonist (Glimmer) is literally a pink sparkly badass princess. Adora wears dresses, as well as having muscles when becoming Shera. Just combing gender stereotypes to show how men can wear crop tops and girls can have muscles
@@snowcatapeller but if people see more people on tv, having muscles and stuff it won’t be considered “looking like a boy”. Plus everyone is strong in their own ways, a lot of people aren’t strong physically but they’re strong mentally.
aging the 2 spellcasters down, like with the rest of the cast, could have fleshed out the backstory. Yeah then they would have had to use someone else than spellweaver, but could have played with making the cut even deeper, when she betrayed them and joined the hoard.
She-ra doesn't get praise for its representation. "Representation" is just the marketing gimmick with which the makers of the show are trying to market the show to an audience who, they think, cares more about Social Justice than any other virtue. In the end, the alleged "representation" of the show is as real as the "excellent characters and writing" and "Miazaki-like artwork" that the "critics" (a word which here means "shills") have also praised.
I myself grew up with he-man where my sister grew up with the original she-ra. The articles about the series show absolutely nothing about the show itself(stories, character development) and only talk about how "inclusive" and "diverse" the characters are...for three sentences. The remainder of most articles are all about the "creator" Noelle and how great a feminist she is and how empowering this show is, how "fierce" the "diversity" is, yet showing NOTHING about character development, story arcs that are actually meaningful, and...hold it. Wasn't the original show essentially a story for the toy line so girls wouldn't be left out when their brothers are playing with their he-man figures? That's INCLUSIVE there!!! Sharing with siblings. All I hear from other videos(btw, ladies - great video!) is how we need "More girl power" and "smash the patriarchy" when we all should be standing together.
...So you're telling me the original was """inclusive""" because it was an afterthought, realising He-Man was marketed more toward boys, and they... Made a "girl version" because they later realised girls exist? I don't even think that's how it went down (as I think in general it was/is easier to make money off a male-led show, hence why they started with He-Man), but that's how you're describing it. "Huh, maybe we should do a girl one and make even more money" is not inclusion or progressive. That's making women come second, but doing better than ignoring them altogether. ...Also the new show has plenty of good character arcs and interesting, meaningful plots. They're not talked about as much, I believe, because we LGBTQIA+ people are sorely underrepresented in media, ESPECIALLY family media. Family shows with good characters and stories have been done before. Family shows with good, diverse representation have not (at least not commonly whatsoever).
@HaywireRuckus the new show doesn't have good characters. Most of the characters are childlike and display surface level interpretation of relationships. Also your narrative around 80's She Ra is wrong. They didn't make She Ra as a afterthought. You'll know this if actual did research about the original showrunner, instead making up stuff.
All these issues could have been avoided if they have devoted time to watching the original show and developing a good story, instead of just concentrating on diversity and representation. I still don't understand why they think stock characters are good representation.
Noelle Stevenson was so damn dismissive toward the original series, and she regularly antagonized and shat on fans of the original series. She also pandered to a fan base that has also been dismissive to fans of the original series. for all her crowing about diversity and inclusion, there's alot of opportunities she missed and things she got wrong.
She-ra's representation is garbage. They take established powerful characters and turn them in to "quirky RELATABLE UWU" jokes. Nothing about it works. It fails women because it turns them all from being powerful rulers into crybabies who can't do anything without looking crazy. It fails minorities because they aren't making new memorable characters, they're giving us scraps of previously established characters that already have lore attached to them and messing with that. It fails LGBT+ because the characters only show up for a few seconds or one episode and contribute NOTHING to the main plot other than simple pandering to get people to think this good couple. The new She-ra fails because the writing is awful. It doesn't matter how much diversity you add to your show. If your writing is sub-par it will NOT matter.
Gotta say, I like the show but it’s feels like I’m watching an ao3 fic lol They just took the names from the show and made an AU with it. They’ve changed so much the entire spirit of it is gone. It’s really sad that they didn’t think Shera could stand on her own before. I think the old shera was much more capable and empowering. Maybe more people can relate to this one, but the other gave us someone to aspire to. The old shera (and he man) made me wanna be strong. I wish these reboots would stop calling themselves reboots. They need to just be like the justice friends where everybody knows it’s the avengers but they don’t call themselves that so we aren’t mad that they changed things 😂
What you described is literally what a reboot is. Keeping the names and some aspects and changing everything else. They do that with every reboot. Idk why it seems so new now. People must've been hoping for remake, two different things. A remake is just remaking it in a diff style and keeping literally everything except for like a few lines or something. A reboot is where they keep some OG aspects and then change the story line, design etc. So all of those reboots, Ben 10, PPG, TTG, TC (2011), TCR. Are kinda the same but you can tell they're different.
I loved Castaspella in the OS. I can't stand the new show, it seems like they only watched a couple episodes then wrote the new one. Sure they are passionate about telling THEIR story, just not She-Ra's. There doesn't seem to be much passion for She-Ra or He-Man or anything MOTU which is why they should of just made up their own thing.
I'm still waiting for a He-Man Reboot with all the references this show makes to He-Man and Eternia, i wouldn't be surprised if Ram Man shows up next season.
When it all crashes down, And you break your crown, You point your finger and there's no one around, Just one more thing, to play the queen When the castle's crumbled and you're left with just a name, Where's your crown Queen nothing?
Holy shit. You guys hit so many nails on the head. I love when you both show examples of what made the previous dynamics work, while calling out double standards.
Contradictions, thy name is Netflix She-Ra. I think that when representation gets placed before story the product suffers and this show really proves it. I don't know what their writing process was, but it seems to suffer from lack of consistency and character development. Even if you detach it from the original series, it comes across as confusing and pointless. One show that did a good job with consistency and character archs was Mysticons. It was cancelled after two season, but the story was really good and you could get a sense of tension during battles. Even the filler episodes were used for character development. I'm glad they're planning a comic book series to continue the series. You guys should give the show a watch when you get the chance.
That show looked awful the flash Animation was an eye sore and it looked like it traced a how to draw Manga book. Also the staging was flat like a Hanna Barbara cartoon.
The representation they portray in the netflix version is as a deep as a puddle of dog piss. It's just only there to gain clout and nothing else. Had they cared they would have shown Netossa and spinerella's relationship develop from friends to lovers, Shown the princesses be competent leaders instead of bumbling selfish idiots that can barely do their job, and shown adora, bow, and glimmer actually act like friends instead of sociopaths.
I remember that, back when season 1 was out, a reviewer from a blog I used to follow decided to do a review on the new She-Ra, and frankly, it was a terrible review: all she did was shit on the original show because "it was made to sell toys" while praising the new show for "showing that women can be strong no matter her body type or background" and other stuff in the same level. The way she was praising made the review look like something made by a person who has NEVER seen an animation with strong female characters, because everything she praised the new She-Ra for was done better in a ton of other shows. And then she decided to talk about the character design and play the "you don't like them because you can't fap to them" card... Did these people know Naoko Takeuchi? CLAMP? Arina Tanemura? Moyoco Anno? Probably not, but they should, because they are clearly ignoring the existence of other girl shows to make She-Ra look like the greeatest thing ever made.
@@fandude666 What if they broke both Arms? "Jokes on you! I have been practicing Yoga for 15 Years. I can suck myself off! What are you going to do now?!" I'm gonna applaude you for your Dedication.
@@dovenightingale2779 But it's kinda weird, isn't it? Mermista: Had blue Hair and keeps it. Seahawk: Had red Hair and is now brown haired. Adora: Is blonde and stayed blonde. Glimmer: Had pink Hair and keeps pink Hair. Bow: Had red Hair once but has now black Hair. Entrapta: Once had red Hair. Now it's purple. Perfuma: Was blonde and stays blonde. Castaspella: Once she had red Hair, now it's black. The only other important non-redhead that got another Color change was Frosta. She had white Hair once, and now it's blue.
how? adora is a lesbian, glimmer is asian, bow is black, bow's parents are gay + black, catra is a lesbian + latina, scorpia is a butch lesbian + asian, scorpia's parents are lesbians, perfuma is a trans lesbian woman... there is literally so much represenation for both different sexualities and different races.
Everything you two said in this video would have made this show great! But I kinda realized a while ago that the only "Representation" this show wants to do is at best worn on ones sleeves and forgotten the second your shirt off. Take the representation of women in this show. For them it just adds up to most if not all the female characters outside of the Horde leader are in charge....and that is kinda it. No real deep back stories, no real team outside the main 3 when what is a war happening all around the world and BOOM that's it! Same when it comes to race and sexuality! Characters show up, kinda do what is a nod and wink and the screen and are to NEVER be seen again or if they are lucky show up in a small part that let you know "Hey I am around....I am not doing anything but HEY! I am Black/gay/female/etc!...okay gonna walk of screen now!" I wish I could say it was just this show that is doing that but so many shows now days are! I started watching the old She-ra months ago again and I was shocked and AMAZED at how much was put into the show now that I am older and not a kid sitting there going, "YEAH SHE-RA PUNCH THAT WALL DOWN...YEAH!!!!"
Did we watch the same show? Mermista and Bow are clearly recurring POC that play important roles. The part about there being "no real team" is a believable consequence of the planet being war-torn. A big plot point is that they are trying to build up a rebellion, but it takes time. And I do agree that a lot of shows engage in tokenism and put in minimal effort to represent minority groups, but in She-Ra the three main characters are literally two women and a black guy! And it's not like they're stereotypical examples of them either. I agree that the LGBT characters could have gotten a bit more time in the spotlight, but I'm happy with what we got. Netossa and Spinnerella don't have that much screentime but appear more than once, Double Trouble is a cool non-binary character that is important in Season 4, and Catra and Adora get confirmed as lesbians at the end. Besides, it's not like straight relationships got disproportionately more coverage, like in other shows. As for deep backstory, Catra's character arc is really interesting to me, much more so than the original. Her trauma has affected her so badly she doesn't know what's best for her and those around her, and that's why she can't be with Adora right away. I could gush about this show for a while, but I really find it refreshing and don't think these arguments hold any water.
@@pzkitty6783 OH wow that was like a YEAR ago! This show to me *now* is nothing more than the story of a crazy Abusive Yandere Cat girl who nearly destroyed a whole, destroyed peoples homes and lives, betrayed GREAT friends, suffered little to no consequences, and got everything she wanted in the end! You are COMPLETELY right, that old argument from a year ago holds no water! 👍 That argument was way before the show ended, but NOW! Oh yeah, I don’t feel the same then as I do now, THIS is how I feel now. (Shrugs)
Bro did you even watch it? Frosta is Asian Catra is a catgirl and lesbian Bow is African American and bisexual Mermista is a POC and bisexual Glimmer is obviously not Caucasian and bisexual George and Lance (Bows dads) are African American and gay. Netossa is black and lesbian. Perfuma is mtf trans, lesbian Entrapta is autistic Double trouble is non binary None of the characters are heterosexual tbh.
@@acelesbianmrclean Did you? Again that was two years ago, I said it doesn’t hold water and that *I don’t care!* Again crazy cat girl that damn near destroyed everything twice and got what she wanted in the end! Christ it’s like people just come running in looking for someone to fight with!
@@feywinterfox9630 I'm talking about representation and you're going on about Catra nearly ruining stuff. What does that have to do with the "Did you?" Also she almost destroyed everything once, second time it was Glimmer. Everything that happened before Glimmer did some dumb shit was already in motion from the first occurrence of dumb shit
Let’s not forget that every princess in the show has been downgraded compared to their original counterparts. And of course the redheads being nonexistent. I have this theory that they’re not actually going for representation in the show itself, but rather that the show is being made by a woman. They constantly give Noelle Stevenson praise for making the show while dumping on the old version. Not to mention they never brought up the death of one of the original’s creators until the debut of part 2. So as long as a woman is in charge, they could care less.
What do you mean by downgrade? Like as in design or personality. The new character design fits better with the new background colors. They compliment each other and their outfits show us what the princesses (and boys) are like. The old designs are good but they could have been better.
@@acelesbianmrclean I mean like we had Perfuma wait until someone saved her kingdom instead of being proactive herself, Mermista was so bad as a leader that her kingdom left her, Entrapta didn’t even acknowledge her kingdom. This type of downgrade
Maybe you should try making a video about redheaded characters in different franchises of television and what makes them great then knowing them for being negative stereotypes for being short tempered.
Ow where to start Starfire(Teen Titans) Ruby Rose, Roman Torchwick, Nora Valkyrie, Pyrrha Nikos, Penny, Scarlet (RWBY V1-3, 4-6 is a separate list) Itsuka Kendo, Kirishima, Half of Shoto(My hero Academia) Mouse(Reboot, it counts) Avatar(Wizards, an animated movie but still) Shanks, Nami(one piece) Franky Foster(foster's home) Kiva(Megas XLR) Yoko(Gurren Lagann) Lino-o (Thundercats) April O'neil(ninja turtles 2003 and 2012) Mathew Longarm the Leprechaun(okay that one is my oc) yes these characters get angry at times but other than that they are still their own character and beloved ones in fact.
A L you may feel that way but since i have been manipulated in my life and put through so much trauma from my mother, catra really shined. i remind myself a lot of catra and seeing her get redeemed, i realize that i am better than what i’m going through. this show was made for a younger audience and maybe the old show was better, but this show had the BEST intentions. diversity, overcoming abuse, meaningful forgiveness, lgbq, and much more. after all it is a reboot and i really never expected it to be like the original.
@@AL-ws5yi I mean she IS from the horde and the only way she’s been shown to deal with her emotions is by being mean, abuse isn’t always shy and meek, it can be ugly and messy (as shown in the show)
When I watch these videos I get a glimmer of hope for the future. Hearing that not all young people are buying into these bland, uninspired modern shows, and that that they see the older shows have a lot of merit is a very good sign.
Original characters were bold, striking, fierce, funny and women, not early teen girls, which the new version promotes them as. I have tried, I watched some of it, and it's too Manga and somehow lacking that impact the original had. I don't like this blurring of good and evil, I know it's to make them seem more realistic but I like the sharp distinction. As regard diversity and different body shapes, etc, is fine and expected these days. Reboots like DuckTales work so well on every level, the redesigns are tremendous, probably better than the originals, and not too different from them, but the She Ra universe, like Catra, have changed so much out of recognition you might as well call it a different series all together.
The whole "representation" thing they try doing for this show falls flat, it doesn't go anywhere and they claim they are doing something right, when really they're just going "Hey we have this in our show, watch, and love us" but the delivery doesn't work and the writing is sloppy at best. I hope when they bring in charatcers like Peekablue, Sweet Bee, the Star sisters ect. They do them justice
Diversity is good, but representation is bad. Diversity means characters with different backgrounds, personalities, philosophies, as well as race, gender, etc. If you truly have diverse characters, they can play off each other in different ways that let the viewer/reader see different perspectives while creating interesting story dynamics. Representation is about checking off a box that a character with a certain trait is present, and that's all that's considered.
@@corinaborsuk4101 They just use stereotypes in a world where those ethnicities don't exist in the first place. There is no America, Africa etc...it doesn't play on earth. I doubt they come up with an explaination either. They are just shallow people graving for the sweet sweet virtue signalling points. "Look how tolerant I am. I am so much better than you. Praise me! Worship me!"
The problem is that the new She'Ra cartoon would have to be better written for me to agree with you. As it stands, it's a mucking fess. I think you gals should do reviews of the CLASSIC She-Ra, and how it's better than this one. :)
@@tristen-w1p we all have opinions my opinion is that women should be strong and weak and men should be strong and weak.equailty it also feels like that there using sexuality as personalitys
@@Rizzyhawktuah How are they using their sexualities as personalities?? Did you know Glimmer was Bisexual within the first few seconds of seeing her character? But besides that point, I agree with most of what you’re saying
Personally I feel like the new series episodes are the first drafts written by high schoolers that didn't get along with their moms and never actually watched he-man or she-ra. Not only did they remove the excellent lessons she-ra taught but replaced them with mostly incompetent children who keep lying to their parents and each other for seemingly no reason. Also Why in greyskulls honor are the "good guys" using child soldiers?! I kind of understand the bad guys using them since it evil as hell to abduct children and mold them into soldiers the good guys would have a hard time hurting but the good guys just decide to give their kids military titles and leave them to conduct war with no oversight?! The episode with the dnd "training" made me feel like this whole show was rugrats but every episode had the theme of war. I remember saying to myself "oh they aren't really fighting, this is all just make believe."
Rewatch each episode with the mindset of what we see is the kids imagination while in reality they are just playing with each other on the playground. Doesn't really make the show any better but makes all the horrible errors easier to cope with.
Makes oyu wonder what is wrong with using monsters as enemies. I guess in their weird mindset they are seen as "non-whites" propably? Like the Orcs in Lord of the Rings.
Why is Castaspella so...flat? I've seen planks with more curves than that. I can't explain why but the design of the new "She-Ra" characters look so patronizing.
Honestly in the thumbnail,i can already tell what she feels like, in the remake she feels as sourcerer than nothing, also the character designs are researched soo.
Also, didn't they turn Frosta into a racially stereotyped Eskimo? So they took one of the best designed characters from the original show, and turned her into caricature of a race? Good job.
As long as they use stereotypes it is "diverse". If something not controlled by them uses stereotypes it is "racist". Doesn't matter if it just a part of the character though making them more relatable and awesome. They don't care.
I feel like there was just too much going on in the first place. It’s a really cool concept but there were already so many things going on. They changed a lot and I feel like that was sacrificed. You are kinda just reaching.
@@pzkitty6783 that's a good thing and a bad thing. Its for a new generation so its not supposed to be exactly like the old one. The bad thing is there are some things from the old show they kept and it had no explanation.
I honestly always hate when companies who do these remakes don’t really care about he original source material from the original show and it’s original characters and take these original characters and turn them into something they aren’t, the characters these days I can understand but it’s like, do they have to butcher and do this to every classic character from decades ago into that LGBTQ+ trend category these days, and where they look so different from the original it’s like it’s not even them, like, you don’t just take classic characters like that that were never even thought of that way or the show being that way itself people loved decades ago who already had a certain design, personality, and everything and turn them into that or something they aren’t changing everything about them where you can’t even associate it to the original character, it ruins them honestly, why not just make new characters that are that and don’t mess with the original classic ones? I hate how these new generation companies do this to original classic characters these days… The only thing “She-Ra” about the remake is probably the name, that’s it really.
@@kc_9970 In my strange head cannon it goes like this, Kyle finds the power sword, gets contacted by the sorceress of Grayskull, tries to save people, almost dies but then turns into He Man.
Make all the reviews you want, but let me make one thing exactly clear: _they will never listen to anyone that isn't their "target audience". They are petty and will stop at nothing to ruin good stuff and future animations to benefit their own agendas._
As a fan of the Masters of the Universe franchise, I'm sad to see that this show is used for representation and not for a good story. There are so many good characters that get trampled on despite being a superior representation than what these people try to sell.
I don't have Netflix (my family have been Dish customers for ages and were fine with it), but even if I did, I doubt I'd watch this show simply because I remember loving the 80s version too much. I don't remember specific episodes, but I do remember admiring Adora and loved how in the original she had that alias. I use to pretend I was her a lot. Anyway, it's interesting how they creators of this new version didn't think She-Ra originally didn't show case 'female empowerment' when interestingly enough the 80s in general were all about showing off that very subject and it did reflect in certain media. Also personally I can't stand modern Feminism because it's so underhand in it's message sometimes. FYI, I am a 37 year old female too.
I've seen a view episodes and clips and can kind of say the designs in the original are actually pretty decent and maybe a view touch ups could still work today. Like She-Ra herself seems no different than movie wonder woman and even has that greek Athena vibe coming off of her. Bow could be like the chivalry Robin hood with Hawkeye arrows, Scorpia like an actual scorpion is a blind assassin and is not a princess but an orphan taken in for her skills. Represent blind people and scorpion lovers at once, and Catra would play the part as her dependent look out and surveillance. Entrapta and Hordak's redesign are actually pretty good, they seem to be a real improvement compared to their original counterpart. They are the most tech centric characters so it would make sense for their attire to include protection and machinery. The original designs while not bad, you couldn't really tell them apart from most other horde members who use magic and combat over technology.
Really anymore the New She-Ra is actually Noelle-Ra with a lot of smoke and mirrors. In the smokescreen of representation they shovel in their own tumbler/twitter narrative which translates to corruption of the ideals of Filmation's She-Ra had established. But, hey what's the cost of undermining an original project when Netflix & DreamWorks can threaten Mattel: Do this or no money. Mattel(was Disney, but I think they lost the license to the Princesses but not the Cars movies) & Hasbro(Star Wars Marvel) have both dug holes of bankruptcy before this making costly mistakes in the toy business. However possibly Mattel can ride this out if the fans of the original He-Man & She-Ra will keep supporting the classic lines but it remains to be seen. McFarlane toys could have found that out the hard way with Steven Universe merchandise plopping in the clearance or certain department store chains. Sadly Mattel is in catch 22 believe me I know the feeling of being powerless in the face of overwhelming odds. 😧
If they want to survive they should publish the collector figures they had shown in previous cons. Those will only save them. Even though the New She-Ra and New Shadowweaver dolls looked okayish becaue they had to change the outfits and doll bodies are more lifelike and so sandclock shaped. So if they o with real dolls with actual female structure they might make profit out of new She-Ra, too.
@@BlackCroft666 That sadly is the actual benchmark which falls to the customer. Now the waiting game so to speak begins. For there is no "numbers" of figures/dolls{bulk cases} sold from Mattel. Only way to partially gauge is down to the local department stores in one's area to see how fast they fly off the shelves or as I stated pull a Steven Universe. Way things are now where figures/dolls are priced now I begin to wonder.
Writers: we want to show empowered female characters Also writers: strips Queen Castaspella of her title as Queen, backstory, how powerful she was, and gives her role to a man instead and makes her a side character. #femaleempowerment In all seriousness, this is TERRIBLE female representation! Castaspella use to be a very empowering and badass character, but they stripped her of everything and reduced her to a side character. That is the OPPOSITE of female empowerment.
Bruh it was one character that they changed to fit the story a tiny but more, it doesn't rly matter. Especially since they made a ton of other female characters stand out. Remember the show was only like 52 episodes and they did a rly good job at having diversity and good complex female characters
What do you mean she is represented as an aunt that cares too much and would do anything for her people she's not supposed to be all powerful and perfect she knows shes not be as good as her brother but even then is willing to try her all to help her country
DreamWorks: We added depth to How to Train Your Dragon that wasn't there previously! (Removes free will from all the dragons save for Toothless, and turns Snotlout and Fishlegs into 1-dimensional comic reliefs.) I don't think Astrid is good Female Representation. She didn't do anything in the movies besides being Hiccups Girl. (Unlike Camicazi who's a total bad ass, who was just one of Hiccups closest friends and just happened to be a girl.)
@@youknowyoufuckedupright3058 I know that. It just feels like all they're character development went poof by the end of Race to the Edge. There are also several moments when you think they're going to shape up, but they immediately go back to they're old ways the following episode.
FINALLY someone discusses the books. Honestly, the books didn’t even seem like they were for kids. The silly art style can tell anyone that it’s a kids book series, but in reality it mentions genocide, suicide, being strangled, and other topics that are very subtle in the books.
@@EarthboundEnthusiast Yeah, How to Train Your Dragon is a little similar to the Redwall series were there's Game of Thrones like themes, and scenes but it's not over the top slamming it your face like something like say, Berserk is. Funny cause allot of Kentaro Mirua's art-style and story=telling can be seen in Cressida's later books!
Both old and looks of she-ra character female are very cute, but behaving positive i prefer more is classic she-ra because some story can made me laugh and also cry too like adam and adora. Its made me felt cry because is the most beautiful way of loving family. No matter right or wrong they never betray family and for new one my god they behave is like hero to zero. More like annoying like loveless and no feeling like super annoying. So i didnt watch that new she-ra anymore. I will just watch classic she-ra atleast we can understand everything more than new one, but they still cute in new, but behaving is disappointed and girl with purple is also cute too and love her looks with her hot curvy backside, but too bad. Wish she will be more as classic one is the best adorable way and also positive way than new one.
The whole matter with representation is a sham in this case: it's *_nice_* for a series to represent different racial, sexual, social, economic, ability, and other groups than the "blanket" of society it is found in, but unless there's depth to it, it's more of a meaningless gesture.
The show represents people how they want to be represented, just existing like normal. If they made a big deal about some black character every episode or 2 it would distract from the story. The best representation is when someone is not like "HEY LOOK AT HOW OPPRESSED YOU ARE IN THIS SHOW, LOOK LOOK, IM STICKING UP FOR YOU IN THIS SHOW, Racism solved." Because TV is usually an escape from the real world. It's nice to have something where a minority exists and being oppressed is not their whole personality.
@@acelesbianmrclean What I am saying is that just using the "paint bucket" tool and splashing some colour on the animated cast has nary any meaning. It's not even representation, it's just filling the canvas with your palette.
@@acelesbianmrclean Except that there has to be an organic feeling to how characters populate the world. If every location, for instance, had every group equally, that is not being true to world-building. Also, just dotting the map does not represent people - it's just that: dotting the map.
The problem with this reboot is that it is a bad fan fiction made by people who aren't even fans. It had great potential. Sadly they are more concerned with hating on the original then give fans a good story.
This show pains me. Despite my negative first impressions with the art/animation, I was looking forward to this show. I thought things would get better in the 2nd season but it seems to only be going downhill from there. I feel like this show underlines a bit of a problem with the current animation industry. Shows like She Ra and Steven Universe are always praised by critics and fans for their representation and diversity. However, when considering writing, animation, and at times voice acting, these shows do not show much strength in those areas.
This review actually made me realize what they are doing wit all the reboots - they are taking a cue from the housewives or reality TV - making all the women have catfights and hate each other... it isn't like the orginals of theae 2 - my little pony or carebears where the characters are learning from being mean to one another and changing their ways.. no these are soaps for kids so gross. I say for kids... but I'd watch if it was good. Is there any animation out there that is good quality that isn't made with whiny characters? This generation of animators and writers has me just wanting thr old stuff back. The only "recent" show I like is Jacob two-two and I watched it a while back but I'm sure it gets whiney here and there but it had imagination and a lesson. I miss cartoons of the 60s-80s and early 90s. This century blows.
Im pretty sure Casta is “Head Sorceress” and not a common sorceress
Still, not queen - and miles away from the real, complex story developed in the original series.
still we should repect Casta even if a women isnt a queen dosent matter we should repect her queen or not!
@@karinefonte516 She-Ra (2018) depicts a different royalty system, from all that I can tell (and still heavily features characters who are queens). This time, Casta earns her title as Head Sorceress.
It's easy to cherry pick ONE character who got demoted in this show. Plenty more characters seem a lot more interesting and prominent than their 80's counterparts.
The new She-Ra had a 52-episode run. Not every character could have a complex storyline. And it's a shame we didn't see more of Casta's journey! But I think it's hard to say that the show fails us in the "women with a complex storyline" department, given its constricted runtime!
I'll admit I've only seen a couple of episodes of the original show. I find it jarring to watch because I'm used to much newer animation (with a few exceptions such as Scooby-Doo and Tom and Jerry) and TV in general - which doesn't mean it's "bad" or anything, of course not.
@@HaywireRuckus No, it's a proper royalty system where kings and queens are the highest rulers, there were kings who got killed off, and their daughters never got promoted to queens, hence the rebellion being the "princess alliance". It's the same issue with Disney princesses, and The Princess Diaries films, etc.; queens don't appeal to girls, they are adults and thus older, they have accountability and responsibility; girls and women don't like that. They want all the perks of power, but none of the drawbacks, they like to dictate what needs to be done, without suffering the consequences if it goes wrong, along with staying eternally young and fertile; and fiction and capitalism; especially when it is written by women caters to that.
Yeah... Not every female character has to be the main character
Catra also teamed up with Skeletor in the original.
Plus, the two of them laugh together is hilarious.
I love Alan Oppenheimer as Ol' Bonehead Skeletor. He is why I got his signature by him. :)
@@JojoMonReturns91 Awesome!!
Another reason we need a new He-man series to crossover with this one.
@@maldon3659 Too bad that won't happen...
@@maldon3659 But at least we have fan fiction...
She-Ra was NEVER He-Man's inferior. Like most things in the 80's feminism was picking up steam, since the 70's, and so when a girl cartoon was created, the typical oh so perfect female heroine was created. And yes, She-Ra pretty much is perfect. She was kind, brave and selfless, her foes were more powerful than her own brother's (Skeletor was Hordak's LIEUTENANT and he gave He-Man troubles), and her problems were never of her own making and were smaller compared to He-Man's. Let's face it, loving a 'bad boy' isn't a flaw, it's a fantasy, especially as she gets to redeem him. Meanwhile her brother is forced to play the buffoon, which costs him the eternal respect of his own father who lamented that he wish He-Man was his son, rather than Adam.
She-ra was never He-Man's inferiour. Anyone says otherwise is a liar and should disregard as they have an agenda.
I always thought that She-ra was He-man's equal in every way. Both of them were brave, kind, compassionate, strong and found non violent ways around problems.....its what I admired most in both shows
@@Rylosalex She was shown to be stronger, better and smarter, however, it was subtle back on the 80's.
@@Slitheringpeanut You rather hit the nail on the head, tho' one can say Hordak got a better promotion because Skeletor DID get captured and sung like a canary, while Hordak managed to capture Adora and enslaved most of Eternia. All that aside I don't believe Larry DeTillo and others intended to make She-Ra superior to He-Man, just some of the stuff came off that way, especially given in the 80's we really started to see a lot of 'mishandled empowerment' moves in various media. Some handled well, some not so good.
Otherwise, you make a compelling point that aside from my minor points, I concur with wholly.
@@XenoJehuty84 I don't think there was any maliciousness involved, just data based on some tests. Back in the mid-60's early 70's, the networks found out that the biggest consumer of visual media like television and movies were women, to the tune of 60%.
And wanting to know how to market and make money they ran a few psychological tests.
The Networks found that women do not like to be seen as socially awkward and that they like to 'be' the person on screen, unlike men, who just want to have the abilities of the hero and have their own adventures. Boys want to HAVE He-Man's powers, girls want to BE She-Ra. And the 'Mary Sue' (a term coined by a woman who wrote a parody of the Star Trek self-insert fan fiction of the time) was an excellent way to get women into their shows.
Unfortunately, since the 80's She-Ran and other girl's shows, we (as a society) have taken it too far and now we have... Well, this among other things.
@god o Randomness They did it a lot in the 80's She-Ra.
Honestly, this ‘demotion’ would’ve been fine if she had just been more... magical? She’s praised as a high sorceress throughout the show, but barely does anything.
Its cuz she's a *side character* like Sea Hawk (at first) is accredited with being one of the best sailors in the sea and he barely does anything to show us that other than act like simple stuff should have taken years for even those like an experienced sailor like himself.
@@acelesbianmrclean sea hawk exists mostly to be mermista’s ride, if a mermaid princess trusts him regularly to transport her that should speak enough for his skills without extra screentime… a non-runestone connected human mastering magic and being trusted with effectively full control over a floating magical educational institution should speak enough to her skills without extra screentime
@@healgoth Sea hawk is not established as Mermista's ride until the princess prom episode. In his first episode he transported 3 people across the sea, Shera herself, Glimmer (a princess) and Bow. Because he's established as the best sailor in all of Etheria. And we all know that they were dating before they became known to the audience. Every time Mermista says "He's just my ride" she's blushing meaning that he wasn't JUST her ride, he was her date.
I loved crossover episodes. Seeing She-Ra and He-Man work together was so exciting because both were badass characters in their own right, so you knew you were in for double the badassery.
They literally couldn't if they wanted to.
And that movie where he man and she ra teamed up together was great. I felt emotion when Adam (he man) brought back adora (she ra) as a surprise to his parents and they shed in tears of joy after reuniting with their lost daughter, that to me was the most powerful moments in the masters of the universe series, that’s something I wanna see, but apparently not today because everything has to made into shit but hack writers and bad actors
@@jasonyoungkin1117 it ain't shit, it's awesome. It's a shame they ended up owned by different companies that that's not the fault of the writers
@@NG-gy6iv oh no I’m referring to the Netflix version being shit not the original he man and she ra movie crossover that one was better if I forgot to say the Netflix version being shit
@@jasonyoungkin1117 The Netflix version IS awesome. Don't blame the writers of the Netflix series for the fact that they're owned by different creators now. And at least She Ra doesn't need to play second fiddle to He man anymore
That Fandom title really didn't get that She-Ra never was a He-Man sidekick
I don't think the problem is about representation. The problem is that the writer's don't know anything about She-ra. In the new show Castaspella is seen as incompetent compared to Shadoweaver and it's played for laughs. If they knew about the original they would have seen the irony of their writing. Unfortunately, they care way too much about their new fan-fic to actually look.
raffikilee I felt like Casta was really disrespected in the new show. Even though I never watched the original
Doesn't even look like the same character.
@@andrewmorrice9139 Gee, its almost like it's a fucking reboot.
How did the cheesy show from the 80s that operated under ALOT more restrictions have more compelling characters arcs than the reboot which can basically do whatever it wants?
When you have less, you may have to think more and you end up doing more. When you have more, you may think less and end up doing less.
@Patrick's Crazy Place
Oh good, I don't have to say it... But I'm not dumb, I get why this is the case.
1. The show runners care more about expressing their ideology than writing a good story. All this crap about diversity and representation is merely advertising to entice people to watch the show...
2. I suspect that the showrunners don't have the life experience to make these characters compelling and relatable, hence why they seem so empty and devoid of interesting traits compared to the original She-Ra.
Restriction is the catalyst for creativity.
I think when you have a bad animation, budget and a lot of restrictions, you need good story writers to keep it relevant and people coming back. But if you have a lot of money for animation you can usually distract people with flashy fights.
It takes pressure to make a diamond. Without it, you end up with coal tar sludge like this. The current creators have no pressure, therefore we are given this lax barely put together show.
Never forget the redheads
I hate how the original She Ra and He Man are no longer on Netflix.
They got rid of them?
How could they?!
@@lavenderplace8591
License ran out.
A whole bunch of the original She-Ra is on TH-cam! Same channel which uploaded the new She-Ra trailers so I assume it's legit.
She-ra is still on Netflix
Boy do I have news for you.
Thank you for pointing out how they treated Castaspella's demotion that it doesn't make sense to even write her into the story if she's has no use in it. Very shoddy and poor treatment that they had to showcase Micah over her and not to have agency in her own right. 80s is far better for her and prefer it that way. Thanks for the video!
The thing I really like about this show is that I connected to Entrapta ALOT, as I have autism. I have purple hair, I like animals as much as she likes tech and data. I'm socially awkward, it's hard to make friends. And she's funny, she's honestly my favorite and I really am happy I have a character to connect to
I loved and related to Entrapta when I tried watching the show. The reason I stopped was because it wasn't fun to watch all of the characters constantly hate the one character I connected to.
Here's one thing that could have fix Castaspella ,Micha, and Angela's relationship. Micha and Castaspella were twins who worked under Lightspinner and her acts to achieve power lead to Micha working harder for more offensive spells to fight off Shadow Weaver if she comes back, plus the horde, and Casptaspella to study defensive and healing magic to save and protect. This would lead them to have a difference in acting in the war, to be strong enough and go off against the foe or stay and insure the safety of their people. This would lead to Angela and Micha falling in love and Micha now wanting to protect two kingdoms at once, putting more strain on him. Castaspella grows to have a unfriendly relationship with Angela for the pressure her brother has to go through. And when he dies, it becomes and huge shift for them. Angela left a widow, Glimmer fatherless, and Castaspella without her brother who she swore to protect, this will give weight to how the death of a loved one can effect a family.
It's "Micah."
@@RaspK Son of a bitch!
@@fandude666 Micah: "Oh, so you've met my mother."
Oh.... Umm he's not dead.
"a spinoff is always in the shadow of the mother show" Have they never seen or heard from xena and it way more irrelevant mother show. Its fair to say that heman is more famous but saying its in the shadow because spin off is unfair. Sheera is a fairly famous character on her own.
Me: You wanna keep character relationships or at the very least make the new relationships worthwhile?
She-ra: No
Me: Wanna go depth to the characters you do have and not make them shallow most of the time?
She-ra: No
Me: This is just a fanfic isn't it?
She-ra: Ye
It pretty much is, considering only one person seems to get actually development while others either stay the same, get nothing, develop then regress, or just regress to a worst state
Rofl this is exactly what I think as well. A first draft fanfic written by a high schooler who doesn't like her mom
Fanfic authors at least know and like the shows they base their stories off of.
This is Tumblrfic.
+Think Fight Talk No it is NOT a fanfic. Fanfic writers don't get paid, we write out of love for the characters. Furthermore a lot of fanfic writers actually ADD a lot of depth to shallow characters.
Poor bow was annoying the 3rd season
Sorry but the current She Ra represents nothing but contradiction. Wasted 5 years to hate on the original because they didn't know how to represent themselves.
I think the story of old Shadow Weaver and Castaspella says it all; they hate the old Castaspella because she got her way through hard work vs Shadow Weaver who tried to force her way into everything and ended up not just fucking up things for the people connected to her but herself.
DOESN'T THIS SOUND A BIT FAMILIAR?
In essense, Noelle and Co are like the old Shadow Weaver where they feel that just by default they are obligated to have everything they want, doubly so because of whatever status they can cling to and throw around. Castaspella on the other hand proves that hard work will pay off in the end no matter your gender which is an argument that Noelle n co use almost as a massive crutch on their own, that is that because they are women they will never have chances and therefor everything must be handed to them now because of how things went in the pass, despite in their efforts they have also erased women who have defied stigmas LONG before they have, placing themselves on a mantle they did nothing to deserve.
That or there is the other idea that Noelle n Co are writing themselves into the series so what we're seeing is how they idolize themselves and wish how things could be with other people. And we already know how much they hate male characters to begin with so Norwin's downgrade isn't anything new but again, what they want and wish for when it comes to them getting in that position of power. Of fucking course Norwin's not going to have any decent character development. Has ANY character with a dick in this show gotten one? NO. That's how fucking delusional Noelle n Co are. They're so distracted in trying to make 'PERFECT FEMALE REPRESENTATION' that the only way they know how to do that is taking every male character and fucking up their own story and motivation and Noelle isn't the first person guilty of this type of shitty writing. It's happened so many fucking time with all these 'NU' progressive writers it's not funny anymore.
They aren't being transparent at all in the message they're trying to give but in doing so they're not just showing their hand in whatever 'agenda' you want to call, if you want to call it agenda at all. No, what they're doing is showing off just at the end of the day they're terrible writers. They can't deal with multifaceted characters, no matter what status said character has. All they're out to do is 'prove' something but all they've proved is that they can't even deal with a show where things are already laid out for them nor can then even handle their own messages. In their attempts to make She-Ra stronger by not having her stand in Adam's shadow (which she never did even in her own show. He-Man was already OFF by the time She-Ra was on) they've actually made her seem weaker since she has no grasp of her own powers and is so far still so socially inept that she can't even function normally as a civilian.
Contrast to the original Adora who took the helm in the original movie/special and from that moment on knew she had to hold onto such a massive responsibility so there was no fucking time for proms or spa days or whatever the fuck this show is trying to give us. They can't pace anything right yet we're supposed to find this show as some sort of genius reboot? Kiss my Black ass, this show is fucking horrible and it's even worse at representation. What representation? Just recoloring everyone with shitty tans isn't 'representation', Noelle. Drawing everyone like lumpy potatoes isn't 'representation', Noelle. Making nearly every male character in this show an emasculated creep isn't 'representation', Noelle. Thinking that shipping everyone together isn't 'representation', Noelle.
If people like Noelle focused on developing characters as much as they obsessed over click-baiting sites to mention how much they 'represented' we wouldn't be here. We wouldn't be here pointing out plot holes, terrible character writing and bad direction. We'd actually be enjoying the fucking show but this is where we are and this is why I keep saying don't let slacktivist make your fucking cartoons.
I mean.. she is head sorceress which is... kinda like being Queen of Mystacor?
Do wish she got more screentime though.
Nah Nah Royalty is far more important than other Heads of States (essentially)
the original version of Casta had both titles. The new version got shafted.
Can you also do video on the Male representation in the show? Cuz I find the males as comedy relief or so weak that they are not a threat.
4 Seasons and only 2 classic Male Horde members have appeared. Grizzlor is a background character and Tung Lashor was killed off in his only appearance.
Bro. You seem to have forgotten that the main villain is hordak.
@@knucklejoe26 that’s still one boy
@@guardian6975 A boy whos literally the big bad, and biggest threat.
Not to mention everyone seems to be gay, lol. Bow, who is implied to like Glimmer, is bi??
By default, when I see anything that goes way out of its way to claim it's all about "female empowerment" my mind immediately goes, "Well, that's probably gonna suck. I'll be safe with my time and money and avoid that", and I stay away. And I say this as a woman. I need more than just straight up "female empowerment", people. I need a story that means something, characters that I can get behind, and a lot of good, quality effort put into the project that I can really appreciate. If I need a dose of pointless drivel, that's what I go perusing fanfictions for.
The "female empowerment" shtick would have been interesting if it was the 80s-90s, but now it's just fucking boring and bland. It's the same patterns. And this is coming from a woman.
I'm glad to hear a woman's HONEST opinion about women empowerment. 😊
I'm a woman and I agree. "FEMALE EMPOWERMENT" means next to nothing now, just "LOOK AT ME AND MY SELF-INSERTS -- OOPS MY CHARACTERS, DON'T YOU DARE CRITICIZE ME!! FEEEEEEEEEEEEEMINISM!!"
Exactly, Charmed was handled very much the same too.
@@thebluerainbow That's one of the most frustrating parts. They use it as a shield to hide behind so they can ignore all criticism even when it's constructive. Current "female empowerment" keeps female characters dull and one-dimensional. Then when WOMEN demand to be represented in a well-rounded way, WE'RE the ones who are consider backwards.
The most disappointing thing about the new She Ra reboot is that it has potential but it is ultimately wasted.
In comparison the old show while dated is still far superior in terms of character and story.
You should look at the part when they lan something out in D&D style and everyone wears the 80s outfits. They look far better in those. In front of all Catra. (0s is superios in any way even when used to joke about the classic show. Also proves that the original outfit is not a stripper one as claimed.
Because it was there job on the line they could be fired or canceled at a moments notice. You didn't have all these people with there head up there own Arse thinking there the greatest thing.
@@BlackCroft666 IN WHICH EP DO THEY WEAR THE 80s OUTFITS? This I must see
Can I ask have any of you actually watched all of the reboot She-ra? The characters definitely are good and have a great storyline. I think the main problem is that they called this a reboot. When it really isn't. It has the same characters and storyline with changes. This show is not for the old She-ra fans. It just isn't. It's something new yet retro for the newer generations. They're biggest mistake was trying to drawn in old fans with this show but that doesn't mean it's doesn't have great qualities.
@@talkswithtaylor5345 yea, and I've watched it, but isn't that kinda what a reboot is, something new with old characters?
I really hope she-ra be rebooted again nothing against the people who work on the show but really is not my cup of tea
If the IP owner really wants a solely women team they should contact Clamp in Japan. Those women aren't on twitter 24/7. They do work and create awesome stories. *even though this whole only women stick is b*ll).
Same here
Omar Kaj I really want Voltron to get rebooted too; albiet honestly what I want is a proper English dub of Golion with the cast of VLD
is that even possible?
I’ve been watching the show nonstop, never seen the original one but I have he-man. Now I’m a 26 year old guy and I can honestly say that I’ve enjoyed the Netflix adaptation. It has its great moments for a kids show. Perhaps because I went into it without any bias or listening to either side of the herd who’s for or against it. I’ve personally had a few laughs watching it.
I think people make everything too political nowadays.
Not all women have to be badass and warriors. Plus there are plenty of strong, capable women in the show. Even though characters like Castsaspella don't get much screentime, they are still good characters nonetheless.
Also not everywhere hast to be a monarchy.
And a reboot is a reboot. Not a remake. There is a Difference.
@@KaliqueClawthorne that's what I've been saying. I wish I could say it more. People just don't get it.
But the thing is that castaspella is literally stripped of her backstory for Micah and isn’t really that active in the story (especially since she has no rivalry with shadow weaver)
As someone who did not complete the original She-ra series (watched a bit but didn’t enjoy the animation style) and loved the reboot, I really wanted to watch someone who would give an intellectual insight into where the reboot falls short in the eyes of those who enjoyed the original and I think you both honed your points really well without sounding like disgruntled fans that wanted to simply trash the reboot. Though I do not agree with all of your points I do agree with some of them. Having Castaspella’s original story be transferred to Micah to be her exceptionally gifted older brother to create a sibling cliche where she lives in her older brother’s shadow- that’s exposed through dialogue by Shadoweaver only to be promptly ignored- was unnecessary. Additionally having her act as the “stereotypical aunt”, though probably meant to add some light-heartedness to a serious situation, failed at that and ended up just being annoying at times. However, i did not agree with everything. It is important to note that the new She-re is a REBOOT and not a REMAKE. Rather than recreating the same story with different graphics (I.e. the live action Disney movies) the Netflix She-ra takes the same characters and puts a whole new spin to them (I.e. Netflix’s Legendary Defenders of Voltron or Cartoon Network’s Teen Titans Go and Powderpuff Girls). Granted, the original version of a production will always cast a shadow over any reboots or remakes that follow it, and fans of any original have every right to get upset when new versions aren’t up to par, especially when it tramples on the their childhood nostalgia. I definitely faced this when Teen Titans Go was initially announced but eventually, after numerous months, ended up enjoying the show for what it is - a light hearted, comedic look into the daily lives of the Titans separate from the high-stakes, high- intensity battles from the original. Same characters, different story. On that note, to claim that Netflix’s She-ra doesn’t show representation has me wondering what your definition of representation is. First, your entire argument rests on the exclusion of the complex relationship between Castaspella and Lightspinner/ Shadoweaver, but you fail to mention how that relationship still exists but in different characters (Adora and Catra) and how the original idea was expanded upon (from the allies-to-enemies arc to the friends-enemies-lovers arc) to create an even more complex dynamic between Adora, Catra, and Shadoweaver. Second, Castaspella didn’t get weaker from the original to the reboot, her role was just changed. Instead of being the QUEEN of the KINGDOM of Mysticore she became the HEADMISTRESS to the ACADEMY of Mysticore. As such, holding the highest position deigns her as the most powerful and just as educated and well-versed in sorcery as her regal counterpart. To ignore that and imply her new role as Glimmer’s aunt makes her a lesser character is myopic. Third, the original She-ra taught girls they can use their own power to fight for what’s right, and did it well (from what research I’ve done) and the new She-ra again expands upon that. Empowerment is displayed numerous ways: female empowerment through ranging character body types and personalities atypical to the “female character” stereotype; queer empowerment through the normality of every homosexual relationship; and racial empowerment through the cream, brown, pink, green, blue, purple, etc. skin tones and character species. The Netflix version could never replicate the original. Not only because the original is legendary in its own right, but because the times, tech, and people have changed drastically in the 25 years since the original aired. Comparing the two isn’t fair. Those in the comments using flimsy excuses like “lack of representation”, "no boobs" and “ginger bias” to diss the show because their nostalgia is being messed with is understandable, but still ridiculous.
What is it with current remakes and bashing/disowning their predecessor? Honestly, it just makes them look even worse by trying to “recapture” the original’s essence without putting any effort into it and stomping on the original to make themselves seem like the “improved” version.
They can't create new things. They try to cash on nostalgia while sh*tting on that fanbase (It is just for kids). They don't want you to watch it to have fun. They want to make you feel guilty so you watch it. They want to preach not to entertain.
The thing that makes me angry about the reboot is that they focous on the best friend squad.
F*ck them. Why not make episodes focous on the history of the war or other people like the princesses or the people of the kingdoms?????
Cause it's for kids. Even though the 80s show did exactly what you just stated. But we need more teen angst in a show that was originally about on going conflict between good and evil.
@Xiaomu K Yeah I know I was being sarcastic.
Because of western animation like this nowadays no one wants to watch it and it's complete garbage they rather watch western animation done by independent animators or manga & anime
Don't forget the 90s. That was the golden age of Cartoons.
@@tayojones9460 definitely! There was a ton of new shows, new projects (some failed, some succeeded) etc. It sucks how nowadays there's this trend to remake and/or reboot everything. Teen Titans, Powerpuff Girls, Sabrina the witch, Thundercats... only crappier.
True..I mostly just watch foreign shows myself, maybe 2 or three Disney series, but that's about it.
Puts a huge damper of that "representation" they claim to care so much about. I find it funny how when you care more about representation than the whole story, you either do too much or try too hard, or you don't do enough. A creator doesn't have to take away everything a character has to change them. Sometimes you don't even need to change anything to a character. If you're just changing stuff or adding characters for the sake of representation, then you need to think over more than twice at the concept phase or drawing board again. "Female empowerment" would have had more value if it was the 80s-90s, but today, the whole "women empowerment" thing is just oversaturated with the same boring and uninteresting theme. It all feels the same to me, more so than the claim of the "nowadays songs sound the same" bit.
I liked Mulan because it wasn't just empowerment, it's honor and she joined the army in place of her ill father. It wasn't just becoming a queen or something or proving she can be capable. She is capable but she didn't have to be up in people's faces to prove that. She didn't wanna prove anything much, she just wanted to fight for her country. It was her duty the moment she joined. She wanted to help or protect her father so he doesn't bear the burden of being killed while being ill in the war.
When I look back, the old version had more restrictions to work around while the new one has so much to do whatever the hell it wants, but did so badly. I then realized that when you have less, you may have to think more and you end up doing more. When you have more, you may think less and end up doing less.
Also, excluding He-Man would be a slap to the faces of people who have siblings lol.
Is the "female empowerment" today was an overplayed and boring theme as you said, then we would not have to read comments as yours. Next👏
@@lucasopercoup That goes for you too, now that you're talkin' about it.
@@obsidiancoppersunstones3479 of course, i wouldn't have to be here educating grown ass people .
Wow. I just feel conflicted as a woman. I do respect your feelings and looking at life without the sugar. A part of me wants to believe that the show will improve. The other tells me to drop it. Only time will tell.
I would say drop it and wait for another reboot when hopefull Hollywood and entertainment industry destroyed themselves and actual talented people buildit up again. As long as the current team works on it and get sugar blown into the bottom by the media and doesn't allow any critics there will be no real improvement.
There IS a thundercats(also related to She-Ra and he-man, just not parallel) remake, but it was cancelled for some reason.
Regarding the rivalry between Shadow weavers and the other Magic user ( not even going to try spelling her name ) my guess is they wanted to focus entirely on Shadow wervers relationship with Catra.They didn't know how to fit in both.
And given that this entire video is almost entirely about one single episode of the original show, why should they?
@@Carabas72 as the creators said, castaspella only appeared in ONE EPISODE, as the extremely cliche “aunt that does hardly anything besides be a cliche” side character.
@@EarthboundEnthusiast she reapers multiple times, although early on (season 1) she only appears once. But she is a part of the survivors after Hoard Prime came to take over everything!
Also, have you forgotten Glimmer's coronation? She was trying to give her niece a perfect day! AND SHE IS A SIDE CHARACTER!
It's made more clearer that Stevenson and the rest working on this show barely paid attention to the original. They just took Stevenson's fanfic and threw on She-Ra character names to what seemed most relevant. You'd think the Castaspella and Shadow Weaver rivalry be a good parallel for the reboot's Adora and Catra rivalry.
Stevenson did say she didn't watch the show before
Then the shippers could have lost it over "CastaWeaver" or "ShadowSpella."
@@Saltedroastedcaramel She just stole the toys from her brother and made up her own stories. And that is how the show is build.
@@BlackCroft666 Yup
@@Saltedroastedcaramel I'm surprised no one complained about that when the reboot was in production, must've been buried under everyone who complained about new she ra not having breasts.
Watch the Clownfish TV and they're take on She-Ra. Geekysparkles is a very passionate fan who grew up with She-Ra and hates what Netflix did.
Can I have a link?
Yes i seen that
1:15 - that alone betrays that they hadn't even BOTHERED to watch original She-Ra. The very first episodes show her come into her own as a character and that she made the choice herself to become She-Ra; the Netflix version, from what I have read, has it just "happen" to her and she doesn't know how to do it. First failure in female representation - ignoring that She-Ra/Adora has AGENCY/CHOICE to do what she does, from going to see her birth parents to leaving to join the rebellion. (I'm also mad at the other obvious marker that they had never ever seen classic She-Ra - Queen Marlena's relationship with Adora and her breakdown when her daughter is kidnapped again.)
ETA - Micah was turned into a KID?? What the HELL! They can't stand the thought of Glimmer having a DAD who still cares for her?
Have you even watched the show?
you realize that,,,, her character arc,, is learning to have agency over she-ra. her having complete control over her powers as soon as she gets them is stupid. throughout the entire show her character arc is learning that she is more than just a giant lady with a sword and through learning that, she learns how to truly control and harness the power of she-ra.
When you haven't watched the entire series before it is completed, this is what you get ^^^^. Micah.. well spoiler Glimmer has a dad that cares about her. Also the whole point of the show was for Adora to realize that she DOES have a choice and she doesn't always have to do what everyone wants her to do. That She-Ra isn't this other persona but it is Adora, hence how Adora learned to control the power on her own in season 5.
I used to praise the Netflix She-ra for some things I believed they did right, but seeing you two comparing to the originals (which I have no recollection of anymore, after so much time has passed since I watched the reruns when I was 7), I can see the show is a lot worse than I thought it was...
I think in the beginning a lot of people had purple glasses of nostalgia on and oversaw the huge flaws and plottholes at first. But as the show goes on they become undenyable. Sometime you really wish something is good even though it isn't.
@@BlackCroft666 I wasn't that much onto She-ra and He-man when I was a kid, I watched more because it was the only thing airing at those time slots. Even as a Kid I never liked He-man's... well, attire.
No, what made me like She-ra reboot at first is how serious it *tries* to be. I see a trend in cartoons that started with Teen Titans, where every cartoon must be extremely colorful, extremely over the top and so noisy like thy're trying to grab the attention of someone with severe ADHD in a train station.
She-ra reboot had a more serious undertone with the idea of child soldiers, betrayal, Catra unable to understand change can be a good thing for her, and the way characters talk to each other allowed for the ideas behind each chapter sink in. It reminds me a lot of the early 2010's, when animation in the West had respect for itself.
I guess you can say I could see what the minds behind the project were trying to do, while ignoring the flawed execution. I did catch on to a lot of errors, but since I was unaware most of the plot points and character dynamics had already been done in the original with far better execution, I was giving it a pass.
Now that M and J have compiled quite a lot of points against the reboot using the original as a landmark and the interviews I see both on their channel, ClownfishTV and The Quartering, I am far less willing to be as kind to the show as I was until recently.
@@TwilightWolf032 I think that that's how I was with Legend of Korra, especially as they were teens rather than kids. After the show ended, I later read about WHY Avatar fans hated it so much and it started to sink in that there were legitimate problems character and storyline consistency wise, aside from the sense I did have at the back of my mind that LoK was just "all show, no substance". Now I see Korra as an angry, self-serving asshole!
@@marigoann2755 Same here. I enjoyed the show while it lasted, and that video on "Legend of Whorra" really struck me as odd when I first saw it. Thought it was just an edgy guy hating on the show for not being the Last Airbender, but when I finally decided to watch it, all I could see were good arguments that painted Khorra in a very different light.
I think this show is ok but it gets worse the more I think about it and how the only characters I like on this show are the main ones.
New she-ra’s representation is only superficial. The creators don’t really care about those they say they represent, imo.
I'm more baffled by how these kind of shitty show make profit back.
Kratos I think these shows are supposed to profit from merchandise but I’m not sure how well shera related merchandise is selling.
"bUt ThEy Do cArE" If they did, they would have tried harder! We shouldn't have to wait so long to see that proof in the pudding.
Well the group they show as "diverse" are just copies of Noelle just in different shades. There is no diversity if you think all the same, too.
They're just ticking off those boxes.
I agree a lot with this observation and I also think that the “She-ra” name/lore holds the creators back in ways that if it was a new original wouldn’t. I mean they are picking and choosing what lore they change and what they keep the same because they don’t know how to make it work. It feels like a fan-fiction that starts off offering more but then leave you to try and connect the dots with half the information.
As a girl myself, I want to thank you for making this video! ❤
And have a great summer!
The problem with new western cartoons is the lack of identity, they try to appeal to a young age but also want to make the story overly deep and complicated which makes us question if they are trying to appeal to a more mature audience as well, and with the series having very set episodes i feel like the writers wouldnt be able to flesh out and expand the story more so everything becomes a huge mess
there's stuff out there that is both kid friendly but also have complex stories and characters that have worked work very well. . its all about the WAY its done
I feel like if Noelle had more than 52 seasons everything would have worked out different. Like I love Catras redemption but it felt a bit rushed but I can also see not wanting to start it too early and messing it up. More episodes would have done the show some justice.
Like Avatar the last airbender is a western kids show (no its not anime idk why people don't get that). And they did a hella good job with being deep and goofy at the same time, but they had more time to do it.
@@acelesbianmrclean if 52 fuckin seasons weren't enough, then the writers were fuckin up big time.
@@muddashucka9743 that's a typo idc how I missed that. I meant 5 seasons. but there was one season that was split in half so it was 2 short seasons.
@@acelesbianmrclean 5 seasons should still be plenty if the writers are even somewhat competent.
Not to mention that there’s nothing wrong with people having relationships of the same or opposite gender and can still have their own character
Great video as always
I never knew why the reboot is claiming more female representation because if they saw the original they would know that the creators wanted to create a female he-man specifically for female audiences.
1. The hate everything female. She-Ra is the top of strong female beauty and a fit body.
2. They have to ignore every achivement so they can pretend that they are the first people doing LGBT cartoons with female and blah blah virtue signalling
3. Apparently everything from the 80s is mysagonist because they were created in the 80s. Like every male character invented in the 40s must be a wife hitting racist asswh*le because it was the 40s.
4. They don't care about hard work or research (which explains why the original relationship was skipped to. To be remained that only hard works make you succeed is offensive to them).
@@BlackCroft666 They hate everything male, though, they are feminists. The problem becomes that female and male complement one another and they need each other to procreate and raise children. Which they hate because it means that women need men (and vice versa but they're hatred blinds them to that) and so in order to make women not need men, they paradoxically need to hate and destroy women and femininity.
There are barely even any male characters in the show- I mean, come on. There’s only two main male characters, Bow and Micha. If you consider Micha a male character. If anything, there isn’t enough male representation. It’s like we didn’t even watch the same show.
That is definitely true but the newer one (as far as I can tell because I haven’t watched the old one, but it seems like you haven’t watched the new one either and your still complaining) has more diversity among the female characters, like, they don’t all just fit into one body type. The old she-ra definitely was revolutionary for the time, and we wouldn’t have all the amazing female heroes we do today without it. and all the new she-ra is doing is taking basically those same characters and giving them a different story, different personalities, different skin tones, different sexuality’s, different body types, and different character arcs, it is a reboot after all. Also, as they said in the video, by removing he-man she-ra can step out of his shadow. And as amazing as the old she-ra was for it’s time, it is pretty dated, In its voices, character designs, and other stuff. The new she-ra is just appealing to newer audiences with more a modern story.
-an almost twelve year old who loves the new she-ra
@@rosa-we5tb thats true (there’s also see hawk, hordak, hord prime, wrong hordak, Kyle, rohelio, bows dads, double trouble (who isn’t a boy but isnt a girl either) swift wind, and literally all of the clones. but I get your point that there are more girls that boys) but just remember, how many women are there in Star Trek? Star Wars? And loads of other (older) tv shows? I’ll answer that. Very few, especially strong ones. Besides, it’s in a different universe, so maybe there just aren’t that many boys in that universe?
I remember when the princesses & queens in the original felt real. They never just stood by and did nothing. They had to deal with foreign nation, worry about the Horde attacking their land. They weren't dotting adults who does absolutely nothing to aid their people or the rebellion. Mermista did nothing and just accepted the sea wall would fall and let her people flee. Entrapta who was never royalty cares for none of her people. Queen Angela honestly does nothing compared to the original where she fought for her husband. Fought by her people. Fought along side her daughter. Glimmer is a irresponsible idiotic brat, compared to in the original when she had the responsibility of the Horde and her Kingdom before Adora/She-Ra aided them.
These newer version of these character have less responsibilities, are less heroic and are played for laughs. This reboot takes two steps back for strong female representation.
The new She Ra makes the old one look like it was written by Shakespeare or something!🤣🤣🤦🏼♀️🤦🏼♀️😭😭
There is a difference between "female representation" and "A female representation"
For a show so animate about doing representation, they sure are stereotypical about it
Characters fight like kids outside a cafeteria (Remember the first fight with Adora and Glimmer?)
Gay characters that act like a sitcom gay couple (Bow’s parents)
Some characters look stereotypical (Frosta)
Some characters ACT stereotypical (Adora and Bow)
Also for a show about feminism and being more empowering than that pesky OG, they have prom episodes, DnD, and all these generic episodes
Kinda insulting this is what media finds to be great representation
*_THANK YOU_*
I'm not surprised with the Catradora ship because Adora looks more "masculine" than Catra with a broader, probably flatter chest and boyish structured face.
@@mysryuza I've heard that the Adora/Catra relationship is actually pretty toxic though not seen as such? If so, that's fucked up especially when they don't INTEND to have something fucked up.
You took the words out of my mouth. I truly wish this was better, but it's just another feminist cartoon reboot in a world chock full of reboots and feminist cartoons. There's just has nothing special about it.
Less Redhead representation is unforgivable!
Why do people act like redheads are oppressed? It’s just hair, I’ve seen this comment for the 20th time now
but it's more asian representation...
@@ac6155 Gingerism is a thing, at least in America. Besides that, this show specifically got rid of all red heads. If they had done what they did with Glimmer's mother and given them fantasy colored hair, but they just gave them black hair, which is the most normal hair color. Bo is the only one who was actually race bent. Castaspella and Sea hawk are still white but the removed their red hair for no reason. A lot of modern media rebooting older shows and movies seem to specifically remove redheads. Ariel is the only Disney princess who had her race changed, Cindy is still blonde, Belle is still brunette, Jasminestill has black hair, but the one red head had to go. MCU's MJ is also no longer a redhead. The point is it's a trend and it's really annoying seeing these show runners and executives virtue signal how diverse they are and how everyone is included, while actively removing redhair representation while leaving everyone else blonde and brunette.
@@ac6155 That's like saying, "Why do people act like the LGBTQ are oppressed? It's just sexual and gender orientation."
@@bobi200samatar6 they're not oppressing hair color. that is a bull excuse. its literally hair.
I think the original She-Ra has better female representation!👍 And just because someone seems "older", doesn't mean they can't do something they love anymore. That's just shallow thinking.... And calling someone "old" is very rude! Please stop!
I respect your opinion but the original She-Ra characters had like one body time that was supposed to be “pretty” which can do a lot of damage for a girls body image. Now I’m not saying that the original doesn’t have powerful female characters.
she - ra in the reboot legit looks like a girl, they are telling girls that you need to act and look like a boy to be strong
@@snowcatapeller Please explain further, I'm interested.
@@snowcatapeller the reboot? Because if yes then I highly disagree. The tritagonist (Glimmer) is literally a pink sparkly badass princess. Adora wears dresses, as well as having muscles when becoming Shera. Just combing gender stereotypes to show how men can wear crop tops and girls can have muscles
@@snowcatapeller but if people see more people on tv, having muscles and stuff it won’t be considered “looking like a boy”. Plus everyone is strong in their own ways, a lot of people aren’t strong physically but they’re strong mentally.
It seems the creator of the Netflix She-Ra never seen the original version
aging the 2 spellcasters down, like with the rest of the cast, could have fleshed out the backstory.
Yeah then they would have had to use someone else than spellweaver, but could have played with making the cut even deeper, when she betrayed them and joined the hoard.
Who needs Castaspella, Queen of Mystacore when you have Scorpia the Unconsented?
She-ra doesn't get praise for its representation. "Representation" is just the marketing gimmick with which the makers of the show are trying to market the show to an audience who, they think, cares more about Social Justice than any other virtue. In the end, the alleged "representation" of the show is as real as the "excellent characters and writing" and "Miazaki-like artwork" that the "critics" (a word which here means "shills") have also praised.
liljenborg Spot-on comment with bonus points for the Lemony Snicket reference!
I myself grew up with he-man where my sister grew up with the original she-ra. The articles about the series show absolutely nothing about the show itself(stories, character development) and only talk about how "inclusive" and "diverse" the characters are...for three sentences. The remainder of most articles are all about the "creator" Noelle and how great a feminist she is and how empowering this show is, how "fierce" the "diversity" is, yet showing NOTHING about character development, story arcs that are actually meaningful, and...hold it. Wasn't the original show essentially a story for the toy line so girls wouldn't be left out when their brothers are playing with their he-man figures? That's INCLUSIVE there!!! Sharing with siblings. All I hear from other videos(btw, ladies - great video!) is how we need "More girl power" and "smash the patriarchy" when we all should be standing together.
...So you're telling me the original was """inclusive""" because it was an afterthought, realising He-Man was marketed more toward boys, and they... Made a "girl version" because they later realised girls exist? I don't even think that's how it went down (as I think in general it was/is easier to make money off a male-led show, hence why they started with He-Man), but that's how you're describing it. "Huh, maybe we should do a girl one and make even more money" is not inclusion or progressive. That's making women come second, but doing better than ignoring them altogether.
...Also the new show has plenty of good character arcs and interesting, meaningful plots. They're not talked about as much, I believe, because we LGBTQIA+ people are sorely underrepresented in media, ESPECIALLY family media. Family shows with good characters and stories have been done before. Family shows with good, diverse representation have not (at least not commonly whatsoever).
@HaywireRuckus the new show doesn't have good characters. Most of the characters are childlike and display surface level interpretation of relationships. Also your narrative around 80's She Ra is wrong. They didn't make She Ra as a afterthought. You'll know this if actual did research about the original showrunner, instead making up stuff.
All these issues could have been avoided if they have devoted time to watching the original show and developing a good story, instead of just concentrating on diversity and representation. I still don't understand why they think stock characters are good representation.
They would had needed an actually talented and caring team than and not Noell and her copies.
@@BlackCroft666 Yeah, you're right.
Noelle Stevenson was so damn dismissive toward the original series, and she regularly antagonized and shat on fans of the original series. She also pandered to a fan base that has also been dismissive to fans of the original series. for all her crowing about diversity and inclusion, there's alot of opportunities she missed and things she got wrong.
She-ra's representation is garbage. They take established powerful characters and turn them in to "quirky RELATABLE UWU" jokes. Nothing about it works.
It fails women because it turns them all from being powerful rulers into crybabies who can't do anything without looking crazy.
It fails minorities because they aren't making new memorable characters, they're giving us scraps of previously established characters that already have lore attached to them and messing with that.
It fails LGBT+ because the characters only show up for a few seconds or one episode and contribute NOTHING to the main plot other than simple pandering to get people to think this good couple.
The new She-ra fails because the writing is awful. It doesn't matter how much diversity you add to your show. If your writing is sub-par it will NOT matter.
Gotta say, I like the show but it’s feels like I’m watching an ao3 fic lol
They just took the names from the show and made an AU with it. They’ve changed so much the entire spirit of it is gone.
It’s really sad that they didn’t think Shera could stand on her own before. I think the old shera was much more capable and empowering. Maybe more people can relate to this one, but the other gave us someone to aspire to. The old shera (and he man) made me wanna be strong.
I wish these reboots would stop calling themselves reboots. They need to just be like the justice friends where everybody knows it’s the avengers but they don’t call themselves that so we aren’t mad that they changed things 😂
What you described is literally what a reboot is. Keeping the names and some aspects and changing everything else. They do that with every reboot. Idk why it seems so new now.
People must've been hoping for remake, two different things. A remake is just remaking it in a diff style and keeping literally everything except for like a few lines or something.
A reboot is where they keep some OG aspects and then change the story line, design etc. So all of those reboots, Ben 10, PPG, TTG, TC (2011), TCR. Are kinda the same but you can tell they're different.
I loved Castaspella in the OS. I can't stand the new show, it seems like they only watched a couple episodes then wrote the new one. Sure they are passionate about telling THEIR story, just not She-Ra's. There doesn't seem to be much passion for She-Ra or He-Man or anything MOTU which is why they should of just made up their own thing.
I'm still waiting for a He-Man Reboot with all the references this show makes to He-Man and Eternia, i wouldn't be surprised if Ram Man shows up next season.
She-ra 1980s: feminism done right
Noel-ra 2018: feminism done...bad
When it all crashes down,
And you break your crown,
You point your finger and there's no one around,
Just one more thing,
to play the queen
When the castle's crumbled and you're left with just a name,
Where's your crown Queen nothing?
Holy shit. You guys hit so many nails on the head. I love when you both show examples of what made the previous dynamics work, while calling out double standards.
Contradictions, thy name is Netflix She-Ra. I think that when representation gets placed before story the product suffers and this show really proves it. I don't know what their writing process was, but it seems to suffer from lack of consistency and character development. Even if you detach it from the original series, it comes across as confusing and pointless.
One show that did a good job with consistency and character archs was Mysticons. It was cancelled after two season, but the story was really good and you could get a sense of tension during battles. Even the filler episodes were used for character development. I'm glad they're planning a comic book series to continue the series. You guys should give the show a watch when you get the chance.
That show looked awful the flash Animation was an eye sore and it looked like it traced a how to draw
Manga book. Also the staging was flat like a Hanna Barbara cartoon.
@@icecreamhero2375 Maybe, but it actually had good writing.
The representation they portray in the netflix version is as a deep as a puddle of dog piss. It's just only there to gain clout and nothing else. Had they cared they would have shown Netossa and spinerella's relationship develop from friends to lovers, Shown the princesses be competent leaders instead of bumbling selfish idiots that can barely do their job, and shown adora, bow, and glimmer actually act like friends instead of sociopaths.
i agree. as an over representated gay i can confirm that i am, in fact, not a people
Xiaomu K what? What are you talking about?
@Xiaomu K I'm so glad I'm gay man I thought corona only killed people so it's good to know I'm not ppl
The original Filmation She Ra is much better
I remember that, back when season 1 was out, a reviewer from a blog I used to follow decided to do a review on the new She-Ra, and frankly, it was a terrible review: all she did was shit on the original show because "it was made to sell toys" while praising the new show for "showing that women can be strong no matter her body type or background" and other stuff in the same level. The way she was praising made the review look like something made by a person who has NEVER seen an animation with strong female characters, because everything she praised the new She-Ra for was done better in a ton of other shows.
And then she decided to talk about the character design and play the "you don't like them because you can't fap to them" card...
Did these people know Naoko Takeuchi? CLAMP? Arina Tanemura? Moyoco Anno? Probably not, but they should, because they are clearly ignoring the existence of other girl shows to make She-Ra look like the greeatest thing ever made.
Besides nothing can stop someone from fapping, NOTHING
They must ignore real achievement to put themselves up. They are bullies who invaded the nerd sector.
@@fandude666 Sad part is you're not wrong.
@@fandude666 I'm laughing so hard right now.
@@fandude666 What if they broke both Arms?
"Jokes on you! I have been practicing Yoga for 15 Years. I can suck myself off! What are you going to do now?!"
I'm gonna applaude you for your Dedication.
Nevermind that she's yet another ginger character(in the same show) that gets replaced by a "clearly not white" character.
@@dovenightingale2779 But it's kinda weird, isn't it?
Mermista: Had blue Hair and keeps it.
Seahawk: Had red Hair and is now brown haired.
Adora: Is blonde and stayed blonde.
Glimmer: Had pink Hair and keeps pink Hair.
Bow: Had red Hair once but has now black Hair.
Entrapta: Once had red Hair. Now it's purple.
Perfuma: Was blonde and stays blonde.
Castaspella: Once she had red Hair, now it's black.
The only other important non-redhead that got another Color change was Frosta. She had white Hair once, and now it's blue.
@@dovenightingale2779 couldn’t have said it better
@@ac6155 True
More and More they gave more reasons to NOT make she-ra and make an original IP.
I also dont see any real representation.
How come?? I see plenty
how? adora is a lesbian, glimmer is asian, bow is black, bow's parents are gay + black, catra is a lesbian + latina, scorpia is a butch lesbian + asian, scorpia's parents are lesbians, perfuma is a trans lesbian woman... there is literally so much represenation for both different sexualities and different races.
Everything you two said in this video would have made this show great! But I kinda realized a while ago that the only "Representation" this show wants to do is at best worn on ones sleeves and forgotten the second your shirt off.
Take the representation of women in this show. For them it just adds up to most if not all the female characters outside of the Horde leader are in charge....and that is kinda it. No real deep back stories, no real team outside the main 3 when what is a war happening all around the world and BOOM that's it!
Same when it comes to race and sexuality! Characters show up, kinda do what is a nod and wink and the screen and are to NEVER be seen again or if they are lucky show up in a small part that let you know "Hey I am around....I am not doing anything but HEY! I am Black/gay/female/etc!...okay gonna walk of screen now!"
I wish I could say it was just this show that is doing that but so many shows now days are! I started watching the old She-ra months ago again and I was shocked and AMAZED at how much was put into the show now that I am older and not a kid sitting there going, "YEAH SHE-RA PUNCH THAT WALL DOWN...YEAH!!!!"
Did we watch the same show? Mermista and Bow are clearly recurring POC that play important roles. The part about there being "no real team" is a believable consequence of the planet being war-torn. A big plot point is that they are trying to build up a rebellion, but it takes time. And I do agree that a lot of shows engage in tokenism and put in minimal effort to represent minority groups, but in She-Ra the three main characters are literally two women and a black guy! And it's not like they're stereotypical examples of them either. I agree that the LGBT characters could have gotten a bit more time in the spotlight, but I'm happy with what we got. Netossa and Spinnerella don't have that much screentime but appear more than once, Double Trouble is a cool non-binary character that is important in Season 4, and Catra and Adora get confirmed as lesbians at the end. Besides, it's not like straight relationships got disproportionately more coverage, like in other shows. As for deep backstory, Catra's character arc is really interesting to me, much more so than the original. Her trauma has affected her so badly she doesn't know what's best for her and those around her, and that's why she can't be with Adora right away. I could gush about this show for a while, but I really find it refreshing and don't think these arguments hold any water.
@@pzkitty6783 OH wow that was like a YEAR ago! This show to me *now* is nothing more than the story of a crazy Abusive Yandere Cat girl who nearly destroyed a whole, destroyed peoples homes and lives, betrayed GREAT friends, suffered little to no consequences, and got everything she wanted in the end! You are COMPLETELY right, that old argument from a year ago holds no water! 👍 That argument was way before the show ended, but NOW! Oh yeah, I don’t feel the same then as I do now, THIS is how I feel now. (Shrugs)
Bro did you even watch it?
Frosta is Asian
Catra is a catgirl and lesbian
Bow is African American and bisexual
Mermista is a POC and bisexual
Glimmer is obviously not Caucasian and bisexual
George and Lance (Bows dads) are African American and gay.
Netossa is black and lesbian.
Perfuma is mtf trans, lesbian
Entrapta is autistic
Double trouble is non binary
None of the characters are heterosexual tbh.
@@acelesbianmrclean Did you? Again that was two years ago, I said it doesn’t hold water and that *I don’t care!* Again crazy cat girl that damn near destroyed everything twice and got what she wanted in the end! Christ it’s like people just come running in looking for someone to fight with!
@@feywinterfox9630 I'm talking about representation and you're going on about Catra nearly ruining stuff. What does that have to do with the "Did you?"
Also she almost destroyed everything once, second time it was Glimmer. Everything that happened before Glimmer did some dumb shit was already in motion from the first occurrence of dumb shit
Let’s not forget that every princess in the show has been downgraded compared to their original counterparts. And of course the redheads being nonexistent.
I have this theory that they’re not actually going for representation in the show itself, but rather that the show is being made by a woman. They constantly give Noelle Stevenson praise for making the show while dumping on the old version. Not to mention they never brought up the death of one of the original’s creators until the debut of part 2. So as long as a woman is in charge, they could care less.
What do you mean by downgrade? Like as in design or personality.
The new character design fits better with the new background colors. They compliment each other and their outfits show us what the princesses (and boys) are like.
The old designs are good but they could have been better.
@@acelesbianmrclean I mean like we had Perfuma wait until someone saved her kingdom instead of being proactive herself, Mermista was so bad as a leader that her kingdom left her, Entrapta didn’t even acknowledge her kingdom. This type of downgrade
Maybe you should try making a video about redheaded characters in different franchises of television and what makes them great then knowing them for being negative stereotypes for being short tempered.
Ow where to start
Starfire(Teen Titans)
Ruby Rose, Roman Torchwick, Nora Valkyrie, Pyrrha Nikos, Penny, Scarlet (RWBY V1-3, 4-6 is a separate list)
Itsuka Kendo, Kirishima, Half of Shoto(My hero Academia)
Mouse(Reboot, it counts)
Avatar(Wizards, an animated movie but still)
Shanks, Nami(one piece)
Franky Foster(foster's home)
Kiva(Megas XLR)
Yoko(Gurren Lagann)
Lino-o (Thundercats)
April O'neil(ninja turtles 2003 and 2012)
Mathew Longarm the Leprechaun(okay that one is my oc)
yes these characters get angry at times but other than that they are still their own character and beloved ones in fact.
No one shines in this show. The old show was so much better.
i think catra kinda does. you can feel her pain..
kylie solomon Maybe at first, but she’s devolved into a completely unlikable character.
A L you may feel that way but since i have been manipulated in my life and put through so much trauma from my mother, catra really shined. i remind myself a lot of catra and seeing her get redeemed, i realize that i am better than what i’m going through. this show was made for a younger audience and maybe the old show was better, but this show had the BEST intentions. diversity, overcoming abuse, meaningful forgiveness, lgbq, and much more. after all it is a reboot and i really never expected it to be like the original.
@@AL-ws5yi I mean she IS from the horde and the only way she’s been shown to deal with her emotions is by being mean, abuse isn’t always shy and meek, it can be ugly and messy (as shown in the show)
When I watch these videos I get a glimmer of hope for the future. Hearing that not all young people are buying into these bland, uninspired modern shows, and that that they see the older shows have a lot of merit is a very good sign.
Original characters were bold, striking, fierce, funny and women, not early teen girls, which the new version promotes them as. I have tried, I watched some of it, and it's too Manga and somehow lacking that impact the original had. I don't like this blurring of good and evil, I know it's to make them seem more realistic but I like the sharp distinction. As regard diversity and different body shapes, etc, is fine and expected these days.
Reboots like DuckTales work so well on every level, the redesigns are tremendous, probably better than the originals, and not too different from them, but the She Ra universe, like Catra, have changed so much out of recognition you might as well call it a different series all together.
The whole "representation" thing they try doing for this show falls flat, it doesn't go anywhere and they claim they are doing something right, when really they're just going "Hey we have this in our show, watch, and love us" but the delivery doesn't work and the writing is sloppy at best. I hope when they bring in charatcers like Peekablue, Sweet Bee, the Star sisters ect. They do them justice
Diversity is good, but representation is bad. Diversity means characters with different backgrounds, personalities, philosophies, as well as race, gender, etc. If you truly have diverse characters, they can play off each other in different ways that let the viewer/reader see different perspectives while creating interesting story dynamics. Representation is about checking off a box that a character with a certain trait is present, and that's all that's considered.
@@corinaborsuk4101 And the show doesn't do a good job on it
@@corinaborsuk4101 They just use stereotypes in a world where those ethnicities don't exist in the first place. There is no America, Africa etc...it doesn't play on earth. I doubt they come up with an explaination either. They are just shallow people graving for the sweet sweet virtue signalling points. "Look how tolerant I am. I am so much better than you. Praise me! Worship me!"
The problem is that the new She'Ra cartoon would have to be better written for me to agree with you. As it stands, it's a mucking fess. I think you gals should do reviews of the CLASSIC She-Ra, and how it's better than this one. :)
Imagine being that wrong in a few sentences..
@@tristen-w1p we all have opinions my opinion is that women should be strong and weak and men should be strong and weak.equailty it also feels like that there using sexuality as personalitys
@@Rizzyhawktuah How are they using their sexualities as personalities?? Did you know Glimmer was Bisexual within the first few seconds of seeing her character? But besides that point, I agree with most of what you’re saying
@@moistwrmonastring1017 *Cough* Bow's Dads *Cough*
@@JustEverton How was the way Bow's dads were portrayed any different than the way straight parents would be portrayed?
Personally I feel like the new series episodes are the first drafts written by high schoolers that didn't get along with their moms and never actually watched he-man or she-ra. Not only did they remove the excellent lessons she-ra taught but replaced them with mostly incompetent children who keep lying to their parents and each other for seemingly no reason.
Also
Why in greyskulls honor are the "good guys" using child soldiers?! I kind of understand the bad guys using them since it evil as hell to abduct children and mold them into soldiers the good guys would have a hard time hurting but the good guys just decide to give their kids military titles and leave them to conduct war with no oversight?!
The episode with the dnd "training" made me feel like this whole show was rugrats but every episode had the theme of war. I remember saying to myself "oh they aren't really fighting, this is all just make believe."
Rewatch each episode with the mindset of what we see is the kids imagination while in reality they are just playing with each other on the playground.
Doesn't really make the show any better but makes all the horrible errors easier to cope with.
Makes oyu wonder what is wrong with using monsters as enemies. I guess in their weird mindset they are seen as "non-whites" propably? Like the Orcs in Lord of the Rings.
Why is Castaspella so...flat? I've seen planks with more curves than that. I can't explain why but the design of the new "She-Ra" characters look so patronizing.
Shit character design and lack of depth/shadows.
Female bodies are evil and satanic so everyone has to be flat bodywise. And shading is too much effort except the weird space under the eyes....
Honestly in the thumbnail,i can already tell what she feels like, in the remake she feels as sourcerer than nothing, also the character designs are researched soo.
Also, didn't they turn Frosta into a racially stereotyped Eskimo?
So they took one of the best designed characters from the original show, and turned her into caricature of a race?
Good job.
As long as they use stereotypes it is "diverse".
If something not controlled by them uses stereotypes it is "racist". Doesn't matter if it just a part of the character though making them more relatable and awesome. They don't care.
No, they didn't turn Frosta into a racially stereotyped Eskimo. Or any other kind of Eskimo.
@@Carabas72 What Frosta did you see?
@@andrewdiaz3529
When is the last time you saw an Inuit? Frost looks nothing like that. She's wearing winter Disney Princess robes with an ice tiara.
@@Carabas72 that's true. She don't even eat seadog fat or so. And she lives in a big castle
They failed because they do a bunch of stuff but don’t do anything with it
Thankfully Mattei hates Netflix's She ra and might reboot it to the og She Ra and He man
I feel like there was just too much going on in the first place. It’s a really cool concept but there were already so many things going on. They changed a lot and I feel like that was sacrificed. You are kinda just reaching.
i agree, this show clearly isn't trying to be like the original anyway
@@pzkitty6783 that's a good thing and a bad thing. Its for a new generation so its not supposed to be exactly like the old one. The bad thing is there are some things from the old show they kept and it had no explanation.
I honestly always hate when companies who do these remakes don’t really care about he original source material from the original show and it’s original characters and take these original characters and turn them into something they aren’t, the characters these days I can understand but it’s like, do they have to butcher and do this to every classic character from decades ago into that LGBTQ+ trend category these days, and where they look so different from the original it’s like it’s not even them, like, you don’t just take classic characters like that that were never even thought of that way or the show being that way itself people loved decades ago who already had a certain design, personality, and everything and turn them into that or something they aren’t changing everything about them where you can’t even associate it to the original character, it ruins them honestly, why not just make new characters that are that and don’t mess with the original classic ones? I hate how these new generation companies do this to original classic characters these days…
The only thing “She-Ra” about the remake is probably the name, that’s it really.
you can really tell they messed up their "girl power" show when the only likable character is Kyle 😂
I knew you'd say that (and I completely agree)!
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Is Kyle really Adam aka He-Man?
@@kc_9970 In my strange head cannon it goes like this, Kyle finds the power sword, gets contacted by the sorceress of Grayskull, tries to save people, almost dies but then turns into He Man.
Kyle is awesome
Make all the reviews you want, but let me make one thing exactly clear: _they will never listen to anyone that isn't their "target audience". They are petty and will stop at nothing to ruin good stuff and future animations to benefit their own agendas._
As a fan of the Masters of the Universe franchise, I'm sad to see that this show is used for representation and not for a good story. There are so many good characters that get trampled on despite being a superior representation than what these people try to sell.
I don't have Netflix (my family have been Dish customers for ages and were fine with it), but even if I did, I doubt I'd watch this show simply because I remember loving the 80s version too much. I don't remember specific episodes, but I do remember admiring Adora and loved how in the original she had that alias. I use to pretend I was her a lot. Anyway, it's interesting how they creators of this new version didn't think She-Ra originally didn't show case 'female empowerment' when interestingly enough the 80s in general were all about showing off that very subject and it did reflect in certain media. Also personally I can't stand modern Feminism because it's so underhand in it's message sometimes. FYI, I am a 37 year old female too.
I've seen a view episodes and clips and can kind of say the designs in the original are actually pretty decent and maybe a view touch ups could still work today. Like She-Ra herself seems no different than movie wonder woman and even has that greek Athena vibe coming off of her. Bow could be like the chivalry Robin hood with Hawkeye arrows, Scorpia like an actual scorpion is a blind assassin and is not a princess but an orphan taken in for her skills. Represent blind people and scorpion lovers at once, and Catra would play the part as her dependent look out and surveillance.
Entrapta and Hordak's redesign are actually pretty good, they seem to be a real improvement compared to their original counterpart. They are the most tech centric characters so it would make sense for their attire to include protection and machinery. The original designs while not bad, you couldn't really tell them apart from most other horde members who use magic and combat over technology.
Of Shadows and Skulls is that episode with the team up between Shadow Weaver and Skeletor. A really fun episode.
Really anymore the New She-Ra is actually Noelle-Ra with a lot of smoke and mirrors. In the smokescreen of representation they shovel in their own tumbler/twitter narrative which translates to corruption of the ideals of Filmation's She-Ra had established. But, hey what's the cost of undermining an original project when Netflix & DreamWorks can threaten Mattel: Do this or no money. Mattel(was Disney, but I think they lost the license to the Princesses but not the Cars movies) & Hasbro(Star Wars Marvel) have both dug holes of bankruptcy before this making costly mistakes in the toy business. However possibly Mattel can ride this out if the fans of the original He-Man & She-Ra will keep supporting the classic lines but it remains to be seen. McFarlane toys could have found that out the hard way with Steven Universe merchandise plopping in the clearance or certain department store chains. Sadly Mattel is in catch 22 believe me I know the feeling of being powerless in the face of overwhelming odds. 😧
If they want to survive they should publish the collector figures they had shown in previous cons. Those will only save them. Even though the New She-Ra and New Shadowweaver dolls looked okayish becaue they had to change the outfits and doll bodies are more lifelike and so sandclock shaped. So if they o with real dolls with actual female structure they might make profit out of new She-Ra, too.
@@BlackCroft666 That sadly is the actual benchmark which falls to the customer. Now the waiting game so to speak begins. For there is no "numbers" of figures/dolls{bulk cases} sold from Mattel. Only way to partially gauge is down to the local department stores in one's area to see how fast they fly off the shelves or as I stated pull a Steven Universe. Way things are now where figures/dolls are priced now I begin to wonder.
Writers: we want to show empowered female characters
Also writers: strips Queen Castaspella of her title as Queen, backstory, how powerful she was, and gives her role to a man instead and makes her a side character.
#femaleempowerment
In all seriousness, this is TERRIBLE female representation! Castaspella use to be a very empowering and badass character, but they stripped her of everything and reduced her to a side character. That is the OPPOSITE of female empowerment.
Bruh it was one character that they changed to fit the story a tiny but more, it doesn't rly matter. Especially since they made a ton of other female characters stand out. Remember the show was only like 52 episodes and they did a rly good job at having diversity and good complex female characters
@@expiredtoast5101 Exactly! I never watched the original show, but in the new one are sooo many strong females and there is much more diversity
What do you mean she is represented as an aunt that cares too much and would do anything for her people she's not supposed to be all powerful and perfect she knows shes not be as good as her brother but even then is willing to try her all to help her country
DreamWorks: We added depth to How to Train Your Dragon that wasn't there previously!
(Removes free will from all the dragons save for Toothless, and turns Snotlout and Fishlegs into
1-dimensional comic reliefs.)
I don't think Astrid is good Female Representation. She didn't do anything in the movies besides
being Hiccups Girl. (Unlike Camicazi who's a total bad ass, who was just one of Hiccups
closest friends and just happened to be a girl.)
There's actually a TV series that aired on Cartoon Network that expanded on the characters
@@youknowyoufuckedupright3058 I know that. It just
feels like all they're character
development went poof by
the end of Race to the Edge.
There are also several moments when
you think they're going to shape
up, but they immediately
go back to they're old
ways the following episode.
FINALLY someone discusses the books. Honestly, the books didn’t even seem like they were for kids. The silly art style can tell anyone that it’s a kids book series, but in reality it mentions genocide, suicide, being strangled, and other topics that are very subtle in the books.
@@EarthboundEnthusiast Yeah, How to Train
Your Dragon is a little similar to
the Redwall series were there's
Game of Thrones like themes,
and scenes but it's not over
the top slamming it your
face like something like
say, Berserk is.
Funny cause allot of Kentaro
Mirua's art-style and story=telling
can be seen in Cressida's
later books!
Castaspella's been demoted, and they didn't even keep her red hair. Hmmm...
Lets hope Noelle never gets the rights to He-Man. Because, I can assure you that Teela will probably loose her red hair.
@@johannesseyfried7933 DreamWorks had the rights to He-Man not Noelle. Noelle just happened to be director but DreamWorks were the ones running shit.
Both old and looks of she-ra character female are very cute, but behaving positive i prefer more is classic she-ra because some story can made me laugh and also cry too like adam and adora. Its made me felt cry because is the most beautiful way of loving family. No matter right or wrong they never betray family and for new one my god they behave is like hero to zero. More like annoying like loveless and no feeling like super annoying. So i didnt watch that new she-ra anymore. I will just watch classic she-ra atleast we can understand everything more than new one, but they still cute in new, but behaving is disappointed and girl with purple is also cute too and love her looks with her hot curvy backside, but too bad. Wish she will be more as classic one is the best adorable way and also positive way than new one.
Literally, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR SAYING THIS.
I like the new She-are, very much, but the original will always be my favorite. You gals raise some great points!!!
They dont know the original material. They apropiate and destroy it.
The whole matter with representation is a sham in this case: it's *_nice_* for a series to represent different racial, sexual, social, economic, ability, and other groups than the "blanket" of society it is found in, but unless there's depth to it, it's more of a meaningless gesture.
The show represents people how they want to be represented, just existing like normal. If they made a big deal about some black character every episode or 2 it would distract from the story.
The best representation is when someone is not like "HEY LOOK AT HOW OPPRESSED YOU ARE IN THIS SHOW, LOOK LOOK, IM STICKING UP FOR YOU IN THIS SHOW, Racism solved."
Because TV is usually an escape from the real world. It's nice to have something where a minority exists and being oppressed is not their whole personality.
@@acelesbianmrclean
What I am saying is that just using the "paint bucket" tool and splashing some colour on the animated cast has nary any meaning. It's not even representation, it's just filling the canvas with your palette.
@@RaspK well what else would be representation? It's not like they made all the black people weak or something.
@@acelesbianmrclean Except that there has to be an organic feeling to how characters populate the world. If every location, for instance, had every group equally, that is not being true to world-building. Also, just dotting the map does not represent people - it's just that: dotting the map.
Wish Mike Young who made that awesome He-Man reboot in 200X could had done this reboot as he has passion for the MOTU franchise
The problem with this reboot is that it is a bad fan fiction made by people who aren't even fans. It had great potential. Sadly they are more concerned with hating on the original then give fans a good story.
This show pains me. Despite my negative first impressions with the art/animation, I was looking forward to this show. I thought things would get better in the 2nd season but it seems to only be going downhill from there.
I feel like this show underlines a bit of a problem with the current animation industry. Shows like She Ra and Steven Universe are always praised by critics and fans for their representation and diversity. However, when considering writing, animation, and at times voice acting, these shows do not show much strength in those areas.
You two are amazing - I really love hearing your thoughts and intellect and it doesn't hurt that you also have very lovely voices, too
This review actually made me realize what they are doing wit all the reboots - they are taking a cue from the housewives or reality TV - making all the women have catfights and hate each other... it isn't like the orginals of theae 2 - my little pony or carebears where the characters are learning from being mean to one another and changing their ways.. no these are soaps for kids so gross. I say for kids... but I'd watch if it was good. Is there any animation out there that is good quality that isn't made with whiny characters? This generation of animators and writers has me just wanting thr old stuff back. The only "recent" show I like is Jacob two-two and I watched it a while back but I'm sure it gets whiney here and there but it had imagination and a lesson. I miss cartoons of the 60s-80s and early 90s. This century blows.