What really annoys me is that some times after all this work , the prop or the shaft ends up at the bottom of the pond because of a breakage or something, no matter what one do to secure and tighten everything.
Brother, don't ever apologize for a long video. We appreciate all the work you are doing. As a master tinkerer and tester myself I can only appreciate the amount of prep and time you put into it. Much respect. It's Spring up North here and I'm itching to get my SonicWake wet!
Great video. New to electric boats. I haven't actually purchased a boat yet, just watching a lot of videos and reading websites for boats, and accessories. I gleaned a lot of useful information from your video. Very interesting and thank you for taking the time to share your experience and on how to actually do the tasks involved. Super helpful.👍👍
Just so you know your videos are usually playing while I'm working on something or cooking. If they are in my history they probably get play multiple times along with other TH-camrs 😂 It's like having the radio playing
Your videos are he best by far! You have taught me SO much and bc of you I now know a lot more about what I'm doing when building a boat!!! Thank you so much for taking the time out of your day to make these awesome videos and if anyone has a problem with your videos, send them to me!! Keep up the great work my brother! I wish we could meet up one day and run our boats!! #noliftchallange lol!!
I knew i wasnt going crazy! Haha. I picked up a sonic wake a month ago and decided to give sharpening and balancing a try last week after watching an older video of yours. Took the boat back out and also saw that it was riding higher out of the water and chine walking. I just couldnt believe that it was just from sharpening only and was thinking that maybe the boat was always riding high with a stock prop and i just didnt notice it. It does seem to unload the prop better and get on plane faster in the midrange throttle. Thanks
Alot of work modifying props, it's fun to me. Especially when the modifications actually make the boat faster. 9 times out of 10 I don't get any better performance, glad you enjoyed the video thanks for watching
Great vid mate! This isn’t something that can be rushed and id highly recommend a mask and wet sanding the prop’s with oil for finish but also dust some props alloy’s have nasty metals
Found that my recoil 2 is very capable with stock electronics, just used a venom 2200 4S as far forward as the tray lets it, and pointed my stinger all the way up, runs super cool on 4s, still very fast, and very stable
Thanks for putting this video together I'm new to RC boating so doing this prop work helped me a bunch. I'm a new subscriber to your channel and look forward to seeing more videos. Thanks
Great video mate!! Can appreciate the work gone in to prep for this. I had a prang with my V2, bent the prop and straightened it, sharpened and balance, it seems to get similar speed to original shape but the boat cavitates like crazy to get on the plain, once it does it seems fine. So im thinking I’ll have to Big B bearing technique and introduce some cupping. May as well experiment with this not so good prop now and see what happens. Great video man, thank you for the huge effort! 👍🏻
Oh maaaaaan....Sorry to hear about your hatch! Another brilliant informative video though.... It's great how you show everything in my opinion. It's good to see exactly how you do things.
I have a full size boat prop shop and use a rawhide mallet bending and tuning they work great and don't mar the prop. you can find small rawhide mallets used for working with jewelry I think would work great instead of rubber.
Hi mate that's great information i balance my propellers but never changed the propellers angle. Thanks mate I'll be watching out for more of your videos. You probably need a bigger lake too🦘🤪😁🤣👍
Excellent video big B !!! Love the testing with comparisons. Keep them coming and a suggestion, “servo performance” I feel that some times the force on the rudder over powers the servo, stock servos anyway, making my turning radius go wide. That is to say it’s not the grip of the hull in a turn just a week servo, so how much kg’s or oz/inch torque is needed for oh let’s say a blackjack 24 🤣😂🤣 Thanks
Excellent presentation fella. Yeah it’s a cool thing to tune a prop for all it’s got in it. And I do agree it takes patience and time to get them right. I’ve not cupped a prop yet but after seeing your vid I’m gonna try it. Thx again and I look forward to more of your vids
Thanks you sir. It's definitely fun to tinker with props. Just know that your first attempt may not be what your looking for in performance. It's definitely some thing that comes oVer time. Thanks for watching IRONCLAD RC
Good work. You're not wrong about "trial & error". Anybody that has any intrest of making the best of what they have is on that endless search of achieving that perfect balance. And eventually it might be found, but still we keep pushing for a little more. I have a saying... "If it doesn't break you didn't go fast enough".Trial and error is most of what we learn. Thank you for the class kind Sir.
this is my first time stopping at your channel..i am very interested and listen to every technical detail presented..of course i will learn from it..pleased to share.👍👍
your absolutely right about leaving the burs on a prop the same as some people like to sand certain parts off the hull, similar to way a fish scales are or alligator skin and thats millions of years bo evolution talkin there lol
I've actually noticed quite a difference between a clean edged prop & a burned edged prop same prop ... the one with the burs had a better takeoff out the hole
Fabulous Big B. 👌 I love it when a plan comes together. All those weeks of work has paid off because your testing shows that the theory can translate to performance on the water. Would be interesting to see what you get out the balanced/modified prop on a fresh set of batteries. Could be close to that magic 60mph 😉 Thanks again for sharing your experltise. And I'll be sending you a little something that might help with your cupping work. Top job brother 👏 Shame about the hatch cover! 😖
Tha ks brother. Have you seen the voodoo cupping block link below? Check out this web page browse through the articals theres alot of invaluable information about prop modifications. The voodoo cupping block, I've been considering making my own version? www.modelgasboats.com/magazine/product-reviews/miscellaneous-mainmenu-633/384-voodoo-cupping-tool
The leading edge you do is not cupping, its called a ski-roll... cupping can be done a little on the tips , but mainly its for the trailing edge... if you pu ta ski roll it lowers the pitch , lets engine pick up rpm faster but will lose top speed. cupping the tips will add a bit of bite in the turns and raise front of the boat as it acts like added rake. it is not added rake but gives a similar effect thus helps lifting the bow.
Thanks for the information brother, I'm leaning... man I could definitely tell that the prop lifted the bow and increased low end take off. I'm glad you enlightened me! I didn't know if the increase in low end was from cupping the tips or the ski roll. I was really looking to achieve a higher top end speed, I think the ski roll may be loading the electronics a little to Much at higher rpm??? IdK
Looks to me like the cone on the left end is not concentric with your shaft. If it isn't it will throw off your balancing some what. Been watching your videos... You' re learning! You're learning!
Awesome video, I bet that took a week because I know how long one propeller takes to work over. Totally sucks about the Sonic Wake lid, dang it ! You should try those props in reverse order with a fully charged battery to see the full potential of the two modified props
I will try the modified prop first next time. I didn't want to do the modified prop first because everyone would say it was faster because it was the first prop of a fully charged pack. I want to try Ryan's prop an a fully charged pack as well. Thanks again brother
Yeah I appreciate your videos bud I like I'm learning a lot about the prop work I haven't done much prop work but I know it's important I'm about to get a tfl rocket tfl 111 rocket I just got rid of my ul1 Superior and on the rocket I'm going to put some work in on that thing I want to get that thing up there man I'm hoping to get over 80 on it
@@IRONCLADRC i am trying to stay on 3s on my 30 inch deep vee, i just finished it today and tested with 40mm plastic prop, what prop should I try next ? Motor 2050kv 120 amp esc Run 2 3s 8000ah packs in parallel had 30 mins of run time only stoped twice to check for water. temps were 65f or 18c. Will run in 6s soon but I wanna work on a max run time set up, but the 40mm at 24000 rpm was just not enough and a lot of slip.
Hey Big B... i hate to ask you a prop question but i have to since i don't know this one... i have a little 14'' mono which goes very nice all stock..I just want it to go faster..so i took a 31mm cf graupner which is same dia as stock plastic but way more pitch...just tested it ..lots of cavitation for first 10 feet give or take,but when she took off the speed was insane maybe 32 mph vs the stock 22 mph... the stock prop takes off great no cavitation..zero to 20 mph in no time.... anyway could i shave the cf pitchy prop down a bit and re balance it and get better out of the whole take offs...and still have good top end performance?? If not tell me what i should try next on this boat... i think its around a 3000 kv 12/10 brushless i use 2000mah 3s...lastly after 5 mins with the pitchy prop temps were cool jut like with the stock prop... thanks again...no big deal if you don't read this..
I wouldn't reduce the size of your graupner prop, it would make matters worse.. if you want better take off keep about the same pitch that's on the boat currently and increase the diameter of the prop. I'd imagine the stock prop is 1.4p 31mm or 32mm. Remember to check Temps after a prop change.
@@IRONCLADRC cool...so increasing from the stock 31mm to a 32mm the same pitch will keep off line punch and also increase top speed? as far as temps ,i got you...i learned the hard way, thanks B
@@IRONCLADRC i know my aquacraft motley crew cat stock setup had everything super hot after 5 mins... i took at the 60 amp esc and replaced it with turnigy 180 and swapped the stock motor for a 3665 1900 kv... that was 10 years plus ago... when i used the same old packs they were not good anymore... one day i will buy some new packs...i am sure it can do over 60 with right batts and prop and still stay cool now... i got into planes for many years and kept all my boats on a stand...but now my buddy is getting back into boats so i am fired up about boats again...thanks for helping me out... happy boating
@@IRONCLADRC To close is the only way to go man I did my super vee in a smooth water rock quarry pit in LaGrande Oregon 2004. Nice pond, smooth water no wind. I put it right at my feet at 60 and it did one of it's 360 hops which would always land upright and go 😃 but unfortunately it hopped out of the water and skipped across rock quarry rocks, I can't even describe it. I learned how to repair fiberglass that year but FUCK my baby was never the same with the added weight.
It might, but usually a modified prop will load the esc/motor more so than a stock prop. I've been trying to modify props for years I've been through about a dozen props. Maybe 2 out of the bunch gave me better performance. If you try the prop modifications just know that it may take several props to actually achieve what your looking to achieve.
633 Likes on this one. What do you think ? You'l encounter 20.000 subscribes in near future. I'm telling you. It's so so rare someone reveals ALL his secrets We all can't thank you enough for that. We just can't..........
What really annoys me is that some times after all this work , the prop or the shaft ends up at the bottom of the pond because of a breakage or something, no matter what one do to secure and tighten everything.
Learned from an old man that told me always us clay to make impression of blade to reference and makes easier to even each side👍
I actually use that technique, modeling clay works pretty good
Brother, don't ever apologize for a long video. We appreciate all the work you are doing. As a master tinkerer and tester myself I can only appreciate the amount of prep and time you put into it. Much respect. It's Spring up North here and I'm itching to get my SonicWake wet!
Greatly put in words.
Great video. New to electric boats. I haven't actually purchased a boat yet, just watching a lot of videos and reading websites for boats, and accessories.
I gleaned a lot of useful information from your video. Very interesting and thank you for taking the time to share your experience and on how to actually do the tasks involved. Super helpful.👍👍
Just so you know your videos are usually playing while I'm working on something or cooking. If they are in my history they probably get play multiple times along with other TH-camrs 😂
It's like having the radio playing
With my RC helicopters and cars I balance anything and everything that spins. Makes for a smoother operating machine
That happens to the best of us!! Especially when we are excited!
Your videos are he best by far! You have taught me SO much and bc of you I now know a lot more about what I'm doing when building a boat!!! Thank you so much for taking the time out of your day to make these awesome videos and if anyone has a problem with your videos, send them to me!! Keep up the great work my brother! I wish we could meet up one day and run our boats!! #noliftchallange lol!!
훌륭하다. 언제나 큰 도움을 주는 영상 감사합니다
Thank you for sharing your insight. Very informative! Keep the videos coming. Prop work and tuning is an art for sure!
We appreciate you B!
Great video. You put a lot of effort in it. I enjoyed it a lot! And learned some too. Thanks!
I knew i wasnt going crazy! Haha. I picked up a sonic wake a month ago and decided to give sharpening and balancing a try last week after watching an older video of yours. Took the boat back out and also saw that it was riding higher out of the water and chine walking. I just couldnt believe that it was just from sharpening only and was thinking that maybe the boat was always riding high with a stock prop and i just didnt notice it. It does seem to unload the prop better and get on plane faster in the midrange throttle. Thanks
I appreciate all your videos. They help a newb like me a lot....Thanks
One of your best videos yet. Thanks for all the hard work you do for your viewers. I appreciate you. It helps me relearn things. lol, 10 second Tom.
Alot of work modifying props, it's fun to me. Especially when the modifications actually make the boat faster. 9 times out of 10 I don't get any better performance, glad you enjoyed the video thanks for watching
Great vid mate! This isn’t something that can be rushed and id highly recommend a mask and wet sanding the prop’s with oil for finish but also dust some props alloy’s have nasty metals
Found that my recoil 2 is very capable with stock electronics, just used a venom 2200 4S as far forward as the tray lets it, and pointed my stinger all the way up, runs super cool on 4s, still very fast, and very stable
clever to compare the stock propeller to the custom and perfomance.. always cool searching for those extra knots
Thanks for putting this video together I'm new to RC boating so doing this prop work helped me a bunch. I'm a new subscriber to your channel and look forward to seeing more videos. Thanks
thanks Ive been wanting a good vid on how to tune up a prop.
Thank you for real new to boats
Great video mate!! Can appreciate the work gone in to prep for this. I had a prang with my V2, bent the prop and straightened it, sharpened and balance, it seems to get similar speed to original shape but the boat cavitates like crazy to get on the plain, once it does it seems fine. So im thinking I’ll have to Big B bearing technique and introduce some cupping. May as well experiment with this not so good prop now and see what happens. Great video man, thank you for the huge effort! 👍🏻
Oh maaaaaan....Sorry to hear about your hatch! Another brilliant informative video though.... It's great how you show everything in my opinion. It's good to see exactly how you do things.
Thanks brother glad I could help. Yea I wish there was a channel like this when I got into boats all those years ago. Thanks for watching ironclad rc
I have a full size boat prop shop and use a rawhide mallet bending and tuning they work great and don't mar the prop. you can find small rawhide mallets used for working with jewelry I think would work great instead of rubber.
Oh man thanks for the tip brother I will definitely look in to the rawhide mallet. Thanks for watching
Sorry about your hatch but on the positive side your boat was ridding!!! Love this video !!!
Yea man that was definitely a bummer. I can't believe if flew out the back of the truck 😫 of all trucks my slow as heck dump truck.
"if you liked the video" I bloody loved the video!
Hi mate that's great information i balance my propellers but never changed the propellers angle. Thanks mate I'll be watching out for more of your videos. You probably need a bigger lake too🦘🤪😁🤣👍
I agree that pond is the closest to my house. Glad I could help
Awesome my man....thank you so much!. And as always I too love big boats and i cannot lie!!!
Heading to the hobby shop today. Time to make some poor life choices lmao
Thanks bud, exactly what I was looking for! Great vid 👌🏻
Excellent video big B !!! Love the testing with comparisons. Keep them coming and a suggestion, “servo performance” I feel that some times the force on the rudder over powers the servo, stock servos anyway, making my turning radius go wide. That is to say it’s not the grip of the hull in a turn just a week servo, so how much kg’s or oz/inch torque is needed for oh let’s say a blackjack 24 🤣😂🤣 Thanks
Excellent presentation fella. Yeah it’s a cool thing to tune a prop for all it’s got in it. And I do agree it takes patience and time to get them right. I’ve not cupped a prop yet but after seeing your vid I’m gonna try it. Thx again and I look forward to more of your vids
Thanks you sir. It's definitely fun to tinker with props. Just know that your first attempt may not be what your looking for in performance. It's definitely some thing that comes oVer time. Thanks for watching IRONCLAD RC
Good work. You're not wrong about "trial & error". Anybody that has any intrest of making the best of what they have is on that endless search of achieving that perfect balance. And eventually it might be found, but still we keep pushing for a little more.
I have a saying... "If it doesn't break you didn't go fast enough".Trial and error is most of what we learn. Thank you for the class kind Sir.
this is my first time stopping at your channel..i am very interested and listen to every technical detail presented..of course i will learn from it..pleased to share.👍👍
Welcome to the channel brother.
your absolutely right about leaving the burs on a prop the same as some people like to sand certain parts off the hull, similar to way a fish scales are or alligator skin and thats millions of years bo evolution talkin there lol
I've actually noticed quite a difference between a clean edged prop & a burned edged prop same prop ... the one with the burs had a better takeoff out the hole
Fabulous Big B. 👌 I love it when a plan comes together. All those weeks of work has paid off because your testing shows that the theory can translate to performance on the water. Would be interesting to see what you get out the balanced/modified prop on a fresh set of batteries. Could be close to that magic 60mph 😉
Thanks again for sharing your experltise. And I'll be sending you a little something that might help with your cupping work.
Top job brother 👏 Shame about the hatch cover! 😖
Tha ks brother. Have you seen the voodoo cupping block link below? Check out this web page browse through the articals theres alot of invaluable information about prop modifications. The voodoo cupping block, I've been considering making my own version?
www.modelgasboats.com/magazine/product-reviews/miscellaneous-mainmenu-633/384-voodoo-cupping-tool
The leading edge you do is not cupping, its called a ski-roll... cupping can be done a little on the tips , but mainly its for the trailing edge... if you pu ta ski roll it lowers the pitch , lets engine pick up rpm faster but will lose top speed. cupping the tips will add a bit of bite in the turns and raise front of the boat as it acts like added rake. it is not added rake but gives a similar effect thus helps lifting the bow.
Thanks for the information brother, I'm leaning... man I could definitely tell that the prop lifted the bow and increased low end take off. I'm glad you enlightened me! I didn't know if the increase in low end was from cupping the tips or the ski roll. I was really looking to achieve a higher top end speed, I think the ski roll may be loading the electronics a little to Much at higher rpm??? IdK
Looks to me like the cone on the left end is not concentric with your shaft. If it isn't it will throw off your balancing some what. Been watching your videos... You' re learning! You're learning!
Thanks for the tip brother, I Appreciate it
where did you get those prop holders? love those printed holders!!
Email Rob he will get you hooked up! rwarden@gmail.com
WoW crazy shit...great work again
Great job on the video. Would of been cool to see a amperage draw per prop also
Hey looking mighty fine buddy .:)00
been hunting for a 3d print file to print a prop holder like yours!!! let me know if it can be downloaded! love yours
Great test but should be with topped up batteries on all propellers..
Great point!
Awesome video bro! Thank you!!
INTERESTING......NICE VID
Thanks brother
Awesome video Big B
Good stuff mate, love ya vids.
Great video
Awesome video, I bet that took a week because I know how long one propeller takes to work over. Totally sucks about the Sonic Wake lid, dang it ! You should try those props in reverse order with a fully charged battery to see the full potential of the two modified props
I will try the modified prop first next time. I didn't want to do the modified prop first because everyone would say it was faster because it was the first prop of a fully charged pack. I want to try Ryan's prop an a fully charged pack as well. Thanks again brother
That's awesome
Yeah I appreciate your videos bud I like I'm learning a lot about the prop work I haven't done much prop work but I know it's important I'm about to get a tfl rocket tfl 111 rocket I just got rid of my ul1 Superior and on the rocket I'm going to put some work in on that thing I want to get that thing up there man I'm hoping to get over 80 on it
I've always like the look of the tfl rocket, sweet little boat. Reminds me of my deltaforce 23 mini sniper
Have you tried a rough finish ? On boats that gives better grip,
I have tried rough, polished, satin. I like a satin 1000g finish
@@IRONCLADRC i am trying to stay on 3s on my 30 inch deep vee, i just finished it today and tested with 40mm plastic prop, what prop should I try next ?
Motor 2050kv
120 amp esc
Run 2 3s 8000ah packs in parallel had 30 mins of run time only stoped twice to check for water. temps were 65f or 18c. Will run in 6s soon but I wanna work on a max run time set up, but the 40mm at 24000 rpm was just not enough and a lot of slip.
Nice video, good results
Hey Big B... i hate to ask you a prop question but i have to since i don't know this one... i have a little 14'' mono which goes very nice all stock..I just want it to go faster..so i took a 31mm cf graupner which is same dia as stock plastic but way more pitch...just tested it ..lots of cavitation for first 10 feet give or take,but when she took off the speed was insane maybe 32 mph vs the stock 22 mph... the stock prop takes off great no cavitation..zero to 20 mph in no time.... anyway could i shave the cf pitchy prop down a bit and re balance it and get better out of the whole take offs...and still have good top end performance?? If not tell me what i should try next on this boat... i think its around a 3000 kv 12/10 brushless i use 2000mah 3s...lastly after 5 mins with the pitchy prop temps were cool jut like with the stock prop... thanks again...no big deal if you don't read this..
I wouldn't reduce the size of your graupner prop, it would make matters worse.. if you want better take off keep about the same pitch that's on the boat currently and increase the diameter of the prop. I'd imagine the stock prop is 1.4p 31mm or 32mm. Remember to check Temps after a prop change.
@@IRONCLADRC cool...so increasing from the stock 31mm to a 32mm the same pitch will keep off line punch and also increase top speed? as far as temps ,i got you...i learned the hard way, thanks B
Great video bro. Solid info . Thanks for sharing. #rcboatgang
👍👍
Good video you got it like button press
Thank you
What do you know about the lipo graphene batteries? I found 6 that I purchased from ose. Thanks sir.
Never tried them wish I could help
Good video bud
Curious to know if your turn fins and rudder sharpened?
I sharpened the rudder after this video
Great Video 💯
is there anyway to get a prop kit where you can test an get
Where did you get the prop storage from?
BIG B could you measure that ball-bearing in mm for me pleasr
What size ball bearing do you use? Thanks
I have a few different sizes 5, 7, 10mm
hallo welchen propeller nutzt du im video grösse und hersteller danke
wow 165 degrees seems pretty dam hot for the esc...is that normal for that boat?
Yes, sir that's fairly warm lol. Those props are modified and pull a lot of amps. Larger speed control would be better, especially running hot props
@@IRONCLADRC i know my aquacraft motley crew cat stock setup had everything super hot after 5 mins... i took at the 60 amp esc and replaced it with turnigy 180 and swapped the stock motor for a 3665 1900 kv... that was 10 years plus ago... when i used the same old packs they were not good anymore... one day i will buy some new packs...i am sure it can do over 60 with right batts and prop and still stay cool now... i got into planes for many years and kept all my boats on a stand...but now my buddy is getting back into boats so i am fired up about boats again...thanks for helping me out... happy boating
Good info. To bad about your hatch. I have a chance to buy a PRO BOAT VELES AT $120.00 off. At GREAT HOBBES OSHAWA ONTARIO CANADA.
I'd do it I love mine
Where did you get the prop organizers? I have been searching for a few.
Looking for his email address, I will post as soon as I find it
3d Printed Prop box insert email Rob
rwarden@gmail.com
You friggin rock Big B! BOAT GANG!
Could you ask the person who makes them to come in and reply here if he is interested in making a few more?
interesting information bro.... 👍❤
Thanks brother
I think it was faster let's see with the modified
The modified prop was the third run. 58mph.
Don't run it into the rocks dude 😎
Close to close
@@IRONCLADRC To close is the only way to go man I did my super vee in a smooth water rock quarry pit in LaGrande Oregon 2004. Nice pond, smooth water no wind. I put it right at my feet at 60 and it did one of it's 360 hops which would always land upright and go 😃 but unfortunately it hopped out of the water and skipped across rock quarry rocks, I can't even describe it. I learned how to repair fiberglass that year but FUCK my baby was never the same with the added weight.
so a modified prop might give you more speed or lower amp draw?
It might, but usually a modified prop will load the esc/motor more so than a stock prop. I've been trying to modify props for years I've been through about a dozen props. Maybe 2 out of the bunch gave me better performance. If you try the prop modifications just know that it may take several props to actually achieve what your looking to achieve.
@@IRONCLADRC your honesty is incredible.
You can go now😂
BIG. B HOW CAN I GET A PROP STAND LIKE YOU HAVE. ( MR RWR
Email Rob rwarden@gmail.com
@@IRONCLADRC tks
I want to buy fans
Gain 3
633 Likes on this one. What do you think ? You'l encounter 20.000 subscribes in
near future. I'm telling you. It's so so rare someone reveals ALL his secrets
We all can't thank you enough for that. We just can't..........
Probably not, lol. Can't believe I'm at 10,000
Sell me one of the modded ones
Not sure what it's worth but I'd be glad to sell one