i have the 14mm DBD and love it...I like the ''feel" of the 14 over the 16 and have used this size since I started playing...the 16s just felt too "soft" for me but onto the paddle...the spin is great, hands battles are good and "flickability" is great for those far outside shots where you need to snap the head around to send the ball back towards the net...other paddles just can't flick it like this paddle can do for me...great review
Video is pretty accurate. Love this review - when is more coming? This channel is so informative. Pickleball gets a bad rap but I love it! Cheers from Sault Ste Marie
I played with the Vatic Pro V7 and started looking for a softer paddle. I played with the 60 DBD for 4 weeks.. It's absolutely softer, a killer in the kitchen, easy to spin, and very good on spin volleys. I felt counters, speedups, and blocks were this paddle's weakness (doubles play). A very small sweet spot on blocks and volleys felt like a limp noddle. The longer handle and short paddle head give me an uncomfortable balance feel. Been playing with the Vatic Pro Prism... OMG, The non-thermo form paddle is so much softer in the kitchen but has the stability to handle blocks and volleys. Excellent spin.. 16.5" with a shorter 5.3" handle feels so well balance at 8.5 oz
The Vatic PP had less power and spin. Sweet spots were same for me but I have excellent eye hand control. The 6Z did have a strange feel if a hard counter hits close to the handle. I prefer the 6Z Diamond over the Double and prefer both over the Vatic.
Also agree video is accurate - I went from a standard size, Paddletek paddle to the DBD and really enjoyed the transition, and how fast it was despite being a new shape/feel. Lots of pop, great spin potential, decent sweetspot and I tinkered with lead tape in a few places before just keeping some at 4 and 8 o'clock positions for some stability and improved twist weight
As usual another well thought and articulate review. I have to say that one of my favorite parts of your videos is the footage of you guys playing. Some very sick points/shots. I have been playing recently with the relatively new Maverix Havik 16. I am really enjoying it and it might just knock my B & B Filth into 2nd place. I would look forward to your opinions on it. Thanks again for the great content.
I love this paddle. I’m fairly new to the sport and tried a few different paddles but once I got my hands on this one, it’s been the one for me!! Great video!! 👍🏽
Comparing this to the CRBN 3x 16mm, what is the main difference between the two? Oh and I came from tennis background so would love a recommendation from a fellow tennis background 😂
Hi a newbie to pickleball and looking for a nice all round paddle, I was thinking of the vatica prism v7 im 16mm Or would you recommend this over the other. This is just for occasional friendly play. Thanks
I currently play with a Joola Vision 14mm. I love it and I don’t like change much when it comes to my play style. I’m wondering what a step up paddle would look like. I don’t want to go down on spin, power, or control, but I want to step my paddle up in relation to the 14 mm Joola vision. Is there a such thing?
I also have the vision 14mm and i love it! BUt I agree with you, it feels like there are better options out there. I thought a 1.5 gen paddle like the prism flash 14mm would be an improvement but what I gained in control, I lost in putaway power...
My Vatic Pro Flash is getting worn out and it's time to start looking for another paddle and this is obviously one of the top paddles out there. Should I shell out the extra cash for a DBD or is it similar enough to the Vatic Flash (which I loved) that I can save a little money?
I recently purchased the Vatic Pro Prism Flash 14mm and the Double Black Diamond 16mm. I'm trying to decide which to keep. What are your thought? The Vatic gives me better shots at the net, but not as good with baseline shots. Overall, I seem to be a bit more consistent with the Vatic. The DBD gives me better baseline shots, but my net game seem to be less strong and fly a bit more. Could this be due to me needing time to adapt to a thermoformed paddle? I've been playing for approx. 4 months. As I become more experience, do you think one of these paddles will offer a greater benefit over the other? Do you think a thermoformed Vatic would produce the same or better as the DBD?
Did you decide which one to keep? I am in the same spot. I played a 4.0 mixed tournament with the flash prism 14mm and finished 4th. The paddle is fantastic, I've never hit better resets, but I was missing putaway power. I noticed that all the women in the top 3 teams had more powerful paddles, hence my conclusion that I need a paddle with a tad more power and spin potential. Would love to hear what paddle you decided to keep!
video is pretty spot on. I also got the pink graphics which are really nice in a world of boring black CF. I'm an advanced intermediate playing with the DbD 16mm and Electrum E (taped up). I totally find the elongated shapes give more reach for those real close shots but the hybrid (especially for those with good mobility) is a compromise, being so light and overall balanced. For singles I prefer thinner than 16mms but the DbD's power on drives and control makes it a great singles paddle if you want to play a more balanced singles game without giving up too much power. For doubles its control really shines with 3rd shot drops. I personally didn't feel its putaway power or pop was high enough to my liking but a bit of lead tape on the lower sides brings out its full potential. As a paddle you can just 'pick up and play', it absolutely lives up to the hype.
You have to try them also while playing double. A lot of the footage (almost 99%) is about single. Not the same game and majority of people will play double instead of single. Just a quick remark. Keep on the good job!
I played both. DBD has a larger sweet spot, feels more heavy when swinging and definitely had more power. At the net it has more pop which is going to come down to your player preference Couldn't really tell a difference with regards to control / spin.. They're both very spinny
I see you use a semi western grip on your drives. Do you use it in doubles also. I tried it drilling today and loved it. Going to try playing it. I'm using the DBD 16".
"You'll never need more power" That seems like a bold claim. Why would 6-0 make Black Diamond (power) and DBD 14mm? Why do so many pros and advanced players play with much more powerful paddles like Power Air, Legacy, CRBN1x, Black Ace, Filth, Pro Drive Ghost, Pickleball Apes Energy, etc. ?
Ok, so who is playing with the CRNB 1x, Legacy, Black Ace, Filth, Pro Drive Ghost, Pickleball Apes, etc? *I think McGuffin is playing with the Power Air. Ok, so who is playing with the CRNB 1x, Legacy, Filt
@@brianm5798 Thomas Wilson, Rob Nunnery, John Cincola, Dylan Frazier, Callan Dawson, James Ignatowich, Travis Rettenmaier, Susannah Barr, Maggie and Mary Brascia, Vivienne David, Catherine Parenteau. Power Air has probably been the most common pro paddle. There is also a ton of 4.5+ players that use power paddles (especially Power Air, CRBN1x and Legacy). th-cam.com/users/shortsl_KAqmU1PD8?si=aw8ziWAVz3cKrKqc JohnKew's favorite paddle is Pro Line Energy
The pro plays with whatever paddle the sponsoring manufacturer wants them to play with for marketing purposes. In double, I rarely see multiple drives or hard serves. It is all in the soft game and handspeed. But the rec players love power. So it is the pro players that advertise the paddle and the consumer goes gaga over it because the pro plays with it. @@kyebean
Luca is more thorough with these reviews than my doctor is!
i have the 14mm DBD and love it...I like the ''feel" of the 14 over the 16 and have used this size since I started playing...the 16s just felt too "soft" for me but onto the paddle...the spin is great, hands battles are good and "flickability" is great for those far outside shots where you need to snap the head around to send the ball back towards the net...other paddles just can't flick it like this paddle can do for me...great review
Video is pretty accurate. Love this review - when is more coming? This channel is so informative. Pickleball gets a bad rap but I love it! Cheers from Sault Ste Marie
I played with the Vatic Pro V7 and started looking for a softer paddle. I played with the 60 DBD for 4 weeks.. It's absolutely softer, a killer in the kitchen, easy to spin, and very good on spin volleys. I felt counters, speedups, and blocks were this paddle's weakness (doubles play). A very small sweet spot on blocks and volleys felt like a limp noddle. The longer handle and short paddle head give me an uncomfortable balance feel. Been playing with the Vatic Pro Prism... OMG, The non-thermo form paddle is so much softer in the kitchen but has the stability to handle blocks and volleys. Excellent spin.. 16.5" with a shorter 5.3" handle feels so well balance at 8.5 oz
The Vatic PP had less power and spin. Sweet spots were same for me but I have excellent eye hand control. The 6Z did have a strange feel if a hard counter hits close to the handle. I prefer the 6Z Diamond over the Double and prefer both over the Vatic.
Great video! What are your thoughts on the differences between the 16mm and 14mm versions?
Which one should I buy? The 14 mm or 16 mm. Does anyone have any recommendations?
Also agree video is accurate - I went from a standard size, Paddletek paddle to the DBD and really enjoyed the transition, and how fast it was despite being a new shape/feel. Lots of pop, great spin potential, decent sweetspot and I tinkered with lead tape in a few places before just keeping some at 4 and 8 o'clock positions for some stability and improved twist weight
As usual another well thought and articulate review. I have to say that one of my favorite parts of your videos is the footage of you guys playing. Some very sick points/shots.
I have been playing recently with the relatively new Maverix Havik 16. I am really enjoying it and it might just knock my B & B Filth into 2nd place. I would look forward to your opinions on it.
Thanks again for the great content.
Haha. Sounds like someone advertising their new paddle company. Maverix???
I love this paddle. I’m fairly new to the sport and tried a few different paddles but once I got my hands on this one, it’s been the one for me!! Great video!! 👍🏽
is it a loud paddle ?....i hate loud pop paddles
Random question. Not sure if you or anyone will see it but where did you get that hoodie? I like it
Comparing this to the CRBN 3x 16mm, what is the main difference between the two? Oh and I came from tennis background so would love a recommendation from a fellow tennis background 😂
Considering buying this paddle and was wondering if the surface wears down notably faster, slower, or at about the same rate as other paddles
About the same, from my experience.
good to know thank you so much!@@RacketsandRunnersPickleball
Hi a newbie to pickleball and looking for a nice all round paddle, I was thinking of the vatica prism v7 im 16mm
Or would you recommend this over the other.
This is just for occasional friendly play.
Thanks
I currently play with a Joola Vision 14mm. I love it and I don’t like change much when it comes to my play style. I’m wondering what a step up paddle would look like. I don’t want to go down on spin, power, or control, but I want to step my paddle up in relation to the 14 mm Joola vision. Is there a such thing?
I also have the vision 14mm and i love it! BUt I agree with you, it feels like there are better options out there. I thought a 1.5 gen paddle like the prism flash 14mm would be an improvement but what I gained in control, I lost in putaway power...
How would you compare this paddle against the Vatic Pro Prism Flash
Love the look of the pink model. Might have to be my next paddle.
Agreed, it looks awesome.
Just ordered mine. This got me even more giddy
My Vatic Pro Flash is getting worn out and it's time to start looking for another paddle and this is obviously one of the top paddles out there. Should I shell out the extra cash for a DBD or is it similar enough to the Vatic Flash (which I loved) that I can save a little money?
It's similar enough to the Flash so stick with that one. It's always better to keep things consistent either way.
Hi there, :) There is a typo in your video. It should say 16.3 inches in length and not 6.3 inches. Am leaning towards this model as my first paddle.
Does the paddle come like that as an option with all the pink
Could you please explain the difference between this version and the pro weight limited edition listed on their website.. Thanks
Would love to see a review on GRUVN MUVN 16X and 13X. How these compare to DBD. Thanks!
Unfortunately, we don't carry GRUVN and I don't think we'll be bringing them in.
I recently purchased the Vatic Pro Prism Flash 14mm and the Double Black Diamond 16mm. I'm trying to decide which to keep. What are your thought?
The Vatic gives me better shots at the net, but not as good with baseline shots. Overall, I seem to be a bit more consistent with the Vatic.
The DBD gives me better baseline shots, but my net game seem to be less strong and fly a bit more. Could this be due to me needing time to adapt to a thermoformed paddle?
I've been playing for approx. 4 months. As I become more experience, do you think one of these paddles will offer a greater benefit over the other?
Do you think a thermoformed Vatic would produce the same or better as the DBD?
Did you decide which one to keep? I am in the same spot. I played a 4.0 mixed tournament with the flash prism 14mm and finished 4th. The paddle is fantastic, I've never hit better resets, but I was missing putaway power. I noticed that all the women in the top 3 teams had more powerful paddles, hence my conclusion that I need a paddle with a tad more power and spin potential. Would love to hear what paddle you decided to keep!
Play the paddle where your more consistent every single time…
@@nagaray120I prefer the Flash 14mm over the Flash Prism 14mm. I liked everything better overall-power, feel, spin.
thank you for your response@@Likefatherlikeson40
What is the swing weight with that lead tape set up? Reason for asking is I use the same set up. My 14mm is 8.6 0z and 16 mm is 8.7 oz
video is pretty spot on. I also got the pink graphics which are really nice in a world of boring black CF. I'm an advanced intermediate playing with the DbD 16mm and Electrum E (taped up). I totally find the elongated shapes give more reach for those real close shots but the hybrid (especially for those with good mobility) is a compromise, being so light and overall balanced. For singles I prefer thinner than 16mms but the DbD's power on drives and control makes it a great singles paddle if you want to play a more balanced singles game without giving up too much power. For doubles its control really shines with 3rd shot drops. I personally didn't feel its putaway power or pop was high enough to my liking but a bit of lead tape on the lower sides brings out its full potential. As a paddle you can just 'pick up and play', it absolutely lives up to the hype.
Have you done a review on the Engage Pursuit Pro EX 6.0?
We don't carry Engage anymore, unfortunately.
Love the 6Z Diamond!
Is the handle longer than the Selkirk Luxx invikta?
Very similar length in practice.
Great review!
You have to try them also while playing double. A lot of the footage (almost 99%) is about single. Not the same game and majority of people will play double instead of single. Just a quick remark. Keep on the good job!
The DBD is 50$ plus tax more than the Vatic Flash! Is it worth it?
I have them both. Honestly can’t tell the difference. The DBD feels a little heavier.
I played both. DBD has a larger sweet spot, feels more heavy when swinging and definitely had more power. At the net it has more pop which is going to come down to your player preference
Couldn't really tell a difference with regards to control / spin.. They're both very spinny
@@SonosUtube37That’s what I felt too! I think a lot of people feel kinda opposite.
What’s the best extended length paddle
There are some fantastic ones but my favourites are the R1/R3 Nova and Gearbox Pro Power Elongated.
If you sell the paddles you review, can be assumed you'll be biased?
Volair forza review ?!
@@RacketsandRunnersPickleballhow soon? Haha
I like your wristband. 🙂
Hope you don’t have to return it. Their warranty coverage is terrible.
Handle is 5.5 inches long
This or CRBN 1x
I see you use a semi western grip on your drives. Do you use it in doubles also. I tried it drilling today and loved it. Going to try playing it. I'm using the DBD 16".
"You'll never need more power" That seems like a bold claim. Why would 6-0 make Black Diamond (power) and DBD 14mm? Why do so many pros and advanced players play with much more powerful paddles like Power Air, Legacy, CRBN1x, Black Ace, Filth, Pro Drive Ghost, Pickleball Apes Energy, etc. ?
Ok, so who is playing with the CRNB 1x, Legacy, Black Ace, Filth, Pro Drive Ghost, Pickleball Apes, etc?
*I think McGuffin is playing with the Power Air. Ok, so who is playing with the CRNB 1x, Legacy, Filt
Don’t watch his reviews then
@@brianm5798 Thomas Wilson, Rob Nunnery, John Cincola, Dylan Frazier, Callan Dawson, James Ignatowich, Travis Rettenmaier, Susannah Barr, Maggie and Mary Brascia, Vivienne David, Catherine Parenteau. Power Air has probably been the most common pro paddle. There is also a ton of 4.5+ players that use power paddles (especially Power Air, CRBN1x and Legacy). th-cam.com/users/shortsl_KAqmU1PD8?si=aw8ziWAVz3cKrKqc
JohnKew's favorite paddle is Pro Line Energy
@@Gopes108 I'm not talking s***, my question was not rhetorical, I really want to know
The pro plays with whatever paddle the sponsoring manufacturer wants them to play with for marketing purposes. In double, I rarely see multiple drives or hard serves. It is all in the soft game and handspeed. But the rec players love power. So it is the pro players that advertise the paddle and the consumer goes gaga over it because the pro plays with it. @@kyebean
Someone on your team should probably learn how to spell maneuverability correctly. Good review though