"Sentimental" by Porcupine Tree EXPLAINED
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ส.ค. 2024
- Time Consuming Ep #6 "Sentimental" by Porcupine Tree deals with the tension built between rhythm and harmony, and the power of musical context on our rhythmic perception.
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Intro by Sharon Renold (@sharonrenold on Instagram) and myself
Intro music by Shwesmo (@shwesmo on Instagram)
Thanks to Nuphar Fey (@nupharfey on Instagram) for the harmony help!
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Did you know that Gavin himself saw this video? He actually pointed at it as a good explanation when I was asking him about the song. His words: "spot on". Keep it up Yogev.
Wait are you serious ?!
"Me... Yogev Gabay... a drummer... I'm gonna discuss harmony." Instant thumbs up.
I know right ❤️
For 10 or so years, I'd always known something was off with this song but never tried dissecting it, so I'd never realized it was anywhere near this intricate. Thus, you just blew my mind. Keep it coming man.
The song might be sentimental but this guy's vid is monumental....
Simply awesome.
Thank you so much, I appreciate it !
This is one of my favorite "rhythmic illusions" that I've come across. I've tried explaining this to a bunch of friends and they're just like "...okay". Great channel, I've been going through your videos over the past couple of days. Subbed!
Glad you enjoy it!
My favorite Porcupine Tree album. That song always felt off and now I know why! Thank you!!!
Man this album is gold. Gold!
Fuuuuuuck dude. I've always been stuck at the "random 5s and 6s..." Part. Well done!!
I always thought it was triplets thats why I was confused
1:47 that's a drummer counting!
Cant escape it hahahahaha
The production value of these videos surprise me every time :)
Both the information and your process are very well presented.
kudus !
This rhythm was beyond analysis for me. I can't believe you managed to dissect it so easily. Bravo.
I love how you explain time signature with visual elements. Time seems so abstract to me and your method helps me a lot to understand it.
Probably the most complex pop song ever written. I love Steven's ability to blend complexity and emotion.
I just found your channel and noticed the last video was for almost 1 year ago, I hope you come back and keep making videos like this.👍
First!!!!
Porcupine tree is the band that has absolutely changed my life!!
Thanks Yogev sir!
Man, you analyze so many of my favorite songs I never managed to decipher. Thank you sooo much. This one will be learned right away.
hahahahah love it when it's songs people know!
Bravo. You got me thinking about this song's fraternal twin, Normal.
Completely agreed; PLEASE do a video on Normal, which has long been my favorite of the two.
You mean the porcupine tree one?
@@YogevGabay Yes, Normal by Porcupine Tree.
@@Keyspoet27 It's a great song. I will listen again !
I'm so glad, TH-cam recommended me this channel. This is just so much of pure knowledge. Exciting & Entertaining. Keep up the good work Mr. Yogev.
Welcome aboard! Thanks a lot Ali!
I wish every explanation i'll get in my life will be clear and fun like this !! keep it up !
Melech!!
God gavin is so slick with the grooves he comes up with
HELL YEAH
What is impressing, is first the job you did to explain this song's intro.
But also the fact that this rythmic "trick" flows very easy to the ear when you listen to the song. I never realized there was something "strange" until today and you explained it in a very easy way to understand !
Thanks !
Yogev - this is great, clear creative and interesting. Thanks !
Oh God, never thought this level of complexity was in the song
I had no idea that this song might have any problematic rhytmical components... It has always felt natural 4/4 with polyrythmic piano to me. Well, there's always something new to learn. :)
Um... I have been binging your videos all morning, and I'm hooked. Even my Wife (a non-musician) is listening in and now starting to think of time signatures as a puzzle. She even hung around for the Bleed/Meshuggah.
Oh man that's awesome to hear hahahahah Thanks!
I've been suggesting this song incessantly only to find you already did it :] You're a legend.
Thanks
Yes the 4/4 thing is true, but the keyboard intro is in 75/32. It's all amazing!
Thanks so much for this, It is so helpful to see someone who actually know what he is doing, analyze the song and explaining the entire process! You are great!
I love the way you explain this... something i love about music is that there is no limitation at the time of composing... thanks good content
I'm happy you like it !
Harmony and rhythm have a 4 on 3 relation. (4 on 3 polyrhythm). That means the harmonic rhythm is faster than the main rhythm, that’s why the piano is not mostly played on the downbeats of the drums. It’s very tricky because at first we hear only the piano which is played on 4 and we have the illusion that these notes are the main downbeats. When the drum part enters it confuses us because it is played on 3. Its downbeats are the truly downbeats of the song, that’s why the piano pattern disappears after a couple of bars. I am pretty sure that this idea was brought to the band by Gavin.
Man well done. The effort you put into production makes these especially interesting to watch, keep it up!
Glad you like them!
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Beautiful. The same process happens in my head when I listen to prog or jazz. Currently I am familiar with this song and I tune my head to the correct rhythm just from the start, using the subtle chord changes; but I remember that the first time it was the same confusion and analysis. Great explanation, music meets math!
Cristal clear!
So interesting! Addicted to your channel now :) Oh, and you might make a 4/4-dependant death and doom metal guy create some weird music. Haha.
Great job breaking down one of my favorites!!
@10:14 - actually, if you want to hear a "regular 4/4" with these chords, listen to the song "Normal". It's pretty much just an alternate version of this song with exactly the same chorus (although they do sneak a couple of 7-bars in there).
אלוף!
בהצלחה בערוץ!
Lovely
You are Magnificent!
I love this song and it's complicated timings. Total respect to your sleuth energy, but I'll try to forget this video and keep enjoying listening to this amazing song. ( backhanded compliment to Yogev)
hahahahahahaha epic
Nice explanation man! Thanks!
Awesome !!! this intro drove me crazy !!! thank you for these very clear explanations
This video is incredible! Thank you for breaking this down and analyzing!
Great!! :)
holy shit this was so good
Dude!!!!! That's insane!!!!!
Great explanation and really cool concept in this song :)
יוגב אין לי מושג איך הגעתי לכאן אבל שמח שמצאתי
תוכן מעולה ומוסבר יפה מאוד!
מבסוט שהצטרפת!
What a great video. Thank you for this.
wow man!
thx
Not even porqupine tree dares to defy the Singer Song Writer Manifesto, truly there are no heros left.
Love the videos man keep it up.
It's a harsh world man, that manifesto controls us all.
I don't get it, what's the " Singer Song Writer Manifesto"? sorry for my ignorance.
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Nicely done appreciate your hard work ❤❤❤
There is a similar interesting 4/3 polyrhythm in "Language" by The Contortionist (2:20 in the Rediscovered version), where the hi-hat plays the 3 pulse while the guitar plays the 4, and what's interesting is that the guitar motif is 6 notes long, so it only resolves after 2 motives, i.e. 12 guitar notes and 9 hi-hat beats (the original version adds a bit more complexity by starting the polyrhythm syncopated instead of on-beat, it aligns after 6 notes and only then every 12 notes).
Will check it out!
AMAZING!!!
Awesome video Y!
Awesome work Yogev, looking forward to checking out the other videos.
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תודה תודה תודה, שמח לאללה שאהבת!
Yogev Gabay 👌🏼אהבתי מאוד בן אדם, כל הכבוד
I actually have the drums for the intro written out and can play it note for note. After playing it for a while you find that it’s really just a bunch of repeating patterns.
It is!
Ooh man I just love that song
Same!
Noice)
Reminded me of the fluid accents in Sun May Shine by Tamino
This song is so underrated for a porcupine tree song
In understand so little of the musical bits but I absorb your videos nonetheless
haha, good one. quality content right here.
Looking at the chords stabs without the bass notes on the piano makes the assessment somewhat incomplete. The bass notes actually making feeling and playing it far easier.
To explain, I think of it as a 16th note bass note followed by a 8th note chord. I think of it as a bar of 6/8 followed by a bar of 5/8. I suspect that intellectually Steven Wilson intended the two meters against each other but likely feels it as accents in 4/4 as Gavin Harrison does.
check out Kompost 3 from Austria ! Bioluminescence for example has a really interessting time signature
I went to write something but everyone beat me to it 🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌
Start with normal and then sentimental
Damn no wonder why I kept feeling there was something was wrong with the song..
Hell yeah this one is hard !
Can you explain the intricate time elements in Christopher Nolan’s “Tenet”?
Which section?
I love this video man. Thanks a lot. Can you do Deliverence by Opeth in one of your next videos? Especially the outro part.
Thanks!
The Deliverance outro is such a cool riff!
It's basically a very long phrase, but all in 4 bars of 4/4.
The outro for Reverie/Harlequin Forest is great too!
Yogev, thank you for this, great content. Subscribed. Would you take a listen to Another Way Around by Mike Stern? It seems to be in 4/4 but the rhythm in the beginning is really surprising.
I'll check it out!
Pass-the-god-damn- but-ter
Well its not really working like 4against3 with dotted aids
moral of the story: everything is in 4/4 if you dont count like a nerd :P
car bomb would be great! I enjoy your videos
That is very much in the list !
Hi hi hi homie. I have a rec! From the Afrolatin world. “Voodoo Economics (WolfMan)” by Ìfé
Yo yo yo, I'll check this out!
Waiting your take on the latest Pain Of Salvation Single:
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Checking it out!
Yogev I love you but porcupine tree is gay and sounds like a mix between elton john and linkin park
hahahahahah well, is gay bad?
What?
Clearly you need to open your ears AND mind.
@@Keyspoet27 I'm not saying loving another man is wrong. its just gay.
just like porcupine tree, elton john and linkin park.