How have Ferrari made their 2023 F1 car so bad?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 มิ.ย. 2023
- If you've been watching the 2023 F1 season, you'll see that Ferrari haven't really made any strides forwards since last year. Red Bull and Aston Martin have stepped up, and even Mercedes look like they're on the right path again. So what do Ferrari need to do to get back in the fight? and how has this year gone so wrong...
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Ferrari has the issue the Dallas Cowboys do. Super high internal expectations and super high external expectations. No one can ever be happy with anything but a championship and the front office is unwilling to be hands-off and allow the racing team to do what they want.
the only difference is that everyone in the world knows Ferrari and no one outside of the US knows the team you just named or even in what sport they compete.
Only good people there (at Ferrari) pit crew and Leclerc, the end.
The rest of Ferrari should go work at a supermarket.
There is an exemption for the race planner(or how you called those people) they should get 10 years jail time.
@@daarom3472 what's your point? Just flexing your inferiority complex or?
@@daarom3472 I've totally heard of the Des Moines Cattleherders, the famous Cricket team, so you're wrong.
@@daarom3472I know
Simple answer: Ferrari
At this point, Leclerc's best chances of winning a race is Max colliding with Alonso, Perez having a poor qualifying, and Lewis and George taking each other out on the opening lap. And despite all that it's a coin toss on whether Ferrari bungles their race strategy.
That sounds like a very correct assessment. Sadly enough.
Even if all that happens, a team like Alpine or Mclaren would be much more proactive to pounce and claim a win by beating Ferrari through race management. This is the toughest time for a Ferrari Fan, coming from a beautiful car with extraordinary pace last year this time, to this year's car which was claimed to be an improved version of last year but is probably 5th fastest, since the Alpines definitely look much faster in the races. With the leadership changes over the winter, this season was always compromised and the team clearly lost direction in solving problems during the break. But that is not expected from a team that is so huge, there are definite deeper communication issues within the whole team, it's not just the top management.
Well if Leclerc's delayed tyre change during yesterday's qualifying at Montreal wasn't an indication that they'll keep bungling it...
For those of us who've been watching F1 for more decades than we're comfortable admitting, the idea of Ferrari cocking everything up is no surprise whatsoever. Just ask Berger & Alessi in particular 💔. That was such a painful time. Nearly every time it looked like they'd win, you could make a safe bet something would go t!ts up! In fact a successful year comes as a major surprise.
(Edit: they actually made me cry on a few occasions and I was a Williams and McLaren fan back then! When JA _finally_ won, to the near wins that slipped through their grasps due to lousy reliability, the box of tissues got raided. My heart would go through the weinger for them during most races.)
I must admit that my heart sank when the two Charlies signed up. Talented drivers who might end up being only a little more successful than their above-mentioned predecessors. I genuinely hope not. I want to see every driver on the grid achieve their potential, whether that's getting in the points more than once or winning multiple championships. It's heartbreaking to see those hopes fade in those who are likely not going to make it.
"There is no reason we can't win all the remaining races." is probably the funniest quote coming out of any sport last year.
Along with the Indian cricketers saying "No warning was given" at the ODI at Lord's.
Binotto needed more time to finish his project - but that ship has sailed. Now people need to give Vasseur time to actually start his.
Ironically, Ferrari's engine was given the name - SuperFast. Super fast to blow up.
You mean "Super-Fast to Dnf" (or "to the wall")
I think someone recently brought up a good point. If you take away all the glory years of Ferrari, say the Schumacher era, Ferrari have not been an amazing team. I think you need to have a perfect team of people working on the car that can work with each other extremely well and know what they're doing, like with what we had with Michael Schumacher, Ross Brawn, and Jean Todt. Ferrari has had some streaks of success, like the beginning of 2022, but that's always been Ferrari most recently. Some hope at the beginning of the year, then they just fall off a cliff towards the midseason. Hopefully Ferrari can strike up a winning match of important people working for the team soon, as I would love to see Charles Leclerc putting up a proper, full season title fight with Max Verstappen.
The problem is we seem to have all Italian staff we need a mixture from different Countries etc
Maybe you don't have a champion winning team, but most of the years, and i mean literally, for decades, Ferrari is the runner up. Tell me one team that has done this consistenly for decades... There's non other than Scuderia Ferrari, the best team in F1, ever, forever.
@@elemental2951 Ferrari has been in this position because of they have been a part the biggest team with the most resources.
And Niki Lauda of course
Alonso, Vettel, and Raikkonen all had varying degrees of success as well tbf.
Tyre wear and high speed corners (This year bouncing too) have been the biggest weaknesses of recent S.F. cars performance. I hope the team hires better professionals and we mount a comeback for the championship before the next regulation change. #EssereFerrari
Also add the issues with their fuel load. Same set of tyres react differently to the car with different fuel loads. They messed up the development so bad that I doubt they are going to find a way out of it. Sure they can improve race pace and stuff but their genuine concept issue is still there. The cars original identity is gone. F1-75 was known for its corner speed. The red bulls dominated the straights whereas Ferrari dominated in the corners. It was a perfect car for corners. Now they are worse in the corners than red bull and also subpar to red bull in straights. It's pretty much delusional to hope they will come back this year let alone even come back next year
Keep up with the good videos!
Being a Ferrari fan is so frustrating at times last Year we had a Car what was fast but unreliable this Year the Car is more reliable but slower and Tyre Deg is shocking this is nowhere near good enough. I have been supporting the Team since the early 2000s and it makes me sad the Team don’t have the standards to win Championships anymore
How? Just understand that the only time Ferrari were successful in their F1 history was when Italians were nowhere near the major positions,
They had a British race engineer in Ross Brawn, they had a French team principal in Jead Todt and their best driver was a German named Michael
Ever since there has been an Italian team principal, it's a circus, which is quite disappointing considering the fact that they have had Fernando Alonso, Sebestian Vettel and now Sainz and Leclerc
Aldo Costa is an Italian and he was Head of Chassis Design at Ferrari from 1998 to 2005. Enough with the racism.
Too much micromanaging going on at the Scuderia. You hired the best people you think for the job. Back off and let them work!
Amazing video! However RB was never the lightest car last year. In fact, they started the season as the heaviest with a 21 kg overweight, meaning they were 819 kg. They progressively dropped the weight down to 806 kg throughout updates and, when they won both championships, they used heavier, older spare parts that raised the weight back to 810 kg. Alfa Romeo was the lightest last year, hitting the minimum weight of 798 kg since the start of the season, which led to them being competitive until the rest of the grid caught up in that regard.
About this year's cars, it was said that RB has the lightest chassis
I'll believe it. Max also stated it wasn't just the weight, it's where the weight was that was causing so much understeer
This is good information. If you're referencing the 1:40ish mark, though, they say it's a "lighter" car, which is a direct comparison to Ferrari's car weight at the time, to clarify.
If there's another timestamp missed, then my apologies.
@@alcadu I also think he means that the RB was lighter than the Ferrari, but precisely that is what it's wrong. I don't have the sources, but I can remember what I told about the RB in the first comment and the fact that the Ferrari started with a 8 kg overweight that got cut to 4. The RB never was lighter than the Ferrari
@@sergioferrero46 Yeah, I knew RB was running heavy at the beginning of 2022, but wasn't sure how that progressed in comparison to Ferrari at that point of the season. I thought they had further development.
I had a difficult time finding data for individual car weights, so I guess I can't speak to that exact point.
@@alcadu the data I told you came from AMuS I think
I mean Ferrari aren't doing terrible. They're not at the botten of the grid. But considering the recourses they have, it's remarkable they're not able to even win a race. Especially with how good the car seemed last year..
@@Beau_Rivagemaybe its time to change the standards. For ferrari anything 3rd of above is good enough at this rate
and ferrari said they sacrificed last season just so that they can have a better 2023 season lol
Welp, atleast they know how to design a nice looking car.
That's highly arguable . Their new road cars look terrible now to .
The only thing in design that goes nicely for them is painting it in ferrari red. The rest is debatable.
They've been busy building an amazing Hypercar for WEC.
Toyota still better though even there they're not winning
More like 296 gtb in world gt series
Ferrari has been racing in F1 for so long that some of their biggest rivals like Lotus, Brabham, Tyrrell, BRM and Cooper ran out of business, and McLaren and Williams have been relegated to being backmarkers, yet they're still not winning.
How that's possible still baffles me.
Well, it's a combination of bad decisions, oversized pride and questionable choices, which led Ferrari into this fall.
Bad decisions because the TD 039 regulation, decided to reduce the porposing, went in during 2022 and Ferrari decided to focus on the max speed. Cars are a bit higher (+ 15mm), which means the ground effect is less effective. Normally, Ferrari's concept is based on a car close to the ground, to produce the grip, and when we saw their sidepods, it was well-known that it would create some drag. But when we check their speed into the corners, they were ahead of RB. But now, they still don't match RB max speed, and worse, they lost one of their best weapon. It was the same in 2019, when they knew something was up with their engine and didn't act during the season to prepare 2020. What is the point to reduce the drag while in the new regulation, one that you've acknowledged and signed, it says clearly that you'll lose some grip, inducing some difficulties on corners and tyre degradation?
It's an oversized pride, because the former Ferrari Chairman Luca Di Montezemolo had wanted to succeed with a full italian team after the golden era between 2000 and 2007. Todt left before 2008 and then the team fell in 2009, without any title. They were close (more or less) in 2010, 2012, 2017 and 2018, and that's all, over 15 years. They didn't thought about some innovative ideas, like an "engineering academy" around the world, to attract some new talents. It's true that they had some majors ideas and concept, like the sidepod introduced in 2017 for example, but they were a bit reluctant to embed their car with others ideas.
At last, over the questionable choices, I wonder where I have to start. Looking upon their strategy mistakes last year says all.
Unless they found some consistency in their choices, pushing their major strengths, being more open to new ideas and so on, they won't be able to find a new era of victory. To conclude on this, you should recall how Ferrari act between 2005 and 2006, when they weren't winning in 2005, and what did they do to reclaim a position in the highest side of the grid.
because the above wasn't followed, back to early 1990s ferrari here we come!
We will come back.
Forzza Ferrari 💪
The thing is with Ferrari imo is the fact that their concept thrives off of a low riding car, and it was porpoising simply because of how unstable the suspension layout was and is. Ferrari have barely any good technical people to build a reliable power unit, an efficient car, and stable suspension, and the fact that the strategy team still sucks isnt helping. Ive now heard rumours that Charles Leclerc is in close talks with Aston Martin (Leclerc just followed Aston Martin on Insta [Ferrari and Alfa are the only other teams he follows and he raced for them both]). So that means two things, 1, silly season is gonna swing into effect sooner than you think, and 2, Ferrari aren't doing anything right at the moment, and because of that, nobody wants to risk their career for a team that is in shambles. I think the biggest problem Ferrari have with their car is no doubt their weak suspension layout, and could definitely take some notes from Red Bull or even Mercedes. Then they can try to fix the inconsistencies of their car.
@BeauRivage agreed, both have knowhow as to how to fight at the front of the field, and Alonso could really give Charles some tips as to how to properly sustain a challenge against a tough opponent such as Lewis or Max, this would be EASILY the strongest and most experienced lineup on the grid, and i kinda hope it happens.
@BeauRivage yea, driving styles have to be taken into account as well. Leclerc is normally a man that prefers one lap pace and being very late on the brakes while comprising his exit in the corners. As for Alonso, I don't know his current driving style, but i do think it's also an aggressive driving style
cuz Italian where everything is just "good enough"
This narrator is SO much more pleasant to the ears.
The biggest thing is when you realise that Ferrari's 5 most recent race winners still includes Vettel in Singapore 2019
that's an oof
Not anymore, but for the majority of the year, ouch.
@@PG-20 Make it 6!
The car looked way better last year too. This year's red is a bit off, not as dark and too shiny.
As a Ferrari fan I can confirm three things
2023 F1 title loss💔
Also 2024 title loss💔 loading confirmed.
2025- Charles Leclerc leaves Ferrari💔
Until unless upper management gives the freedom the team needs, Ferrari isn’t winning anything. They won at Le Mans with a great hypercar with great tyre economy and reliability(ironic for Ferrari), they did it due to the freedom that the think tank had. They have to do the same in F1 as well
Aston Martin's ascension........no no no. This is El Plan's re-ascension.
The tyre issues are legitimately the worst part of the past two seasons. Sure the retirements were embarrassing but you can just run lower engine to fix. Tyres overheating comes from a fundamental issues with the car.
Because Ferrari is Italian, and Italians are stubborn.
They will never be as good as the mega trio of early 2000's:
Jean Todt (French), Ross Brawn (British) and Michael Schumacher (German).
this is not true , Ferrari now is run by people who are not italian, nationality is not something we can use to justify the inability to be successful
@@energeticfra100 12 likes for me. 0 for you. Do the math😉
🅱️innoto leaving means Ferrari lost their best Engineer
thier struggles will last longer
Binotto! One word. Enough Said.
serpentina flexível única acionada progressiva e regressiva de acordo com a tocada do piloto pois com duas serpentinas a resultante é conflito do rendimento do motor, do piloto, do desgaste dos pneus e inconstância sendo imprevisível o pit, resultado efeito dominó consequência baixo rendimento e sobre-carga no conjunto, A entrada do ar não bate com a saída!
Ferrari made a mistake by ditching the deep dish side pods. They worked well for them last year, they had to continue with that design and improve it.
After having a discussion with a fan who is an F1 fan and Italian, he basically says the problem with Ferrari is an Italian thing!
How? Coz they are Ferrari
No...they will not win a race until problably 2028. I say this until Vasseur settles the organisation down and can produce results and not patches for current mistakes. Just my two cents.
In the video The Race made about 10 of the worst Ferraris in F1, they mentioned about one thing in particular that has been Ferrari's repeated downfalls over the years:
"One of Ferrari's repeated failures over the years is the evolution of car designs that were once competitive, but fell behind as other teams out developed them."
The SF23 is no different in that sense. The 2022 Ferrari, while the team slipped up repeatedly in strategic errors, the car's reliability wasn't perfect and the drivers occasionally made unforced errors, the car was a very competitive car, able to race with and occasionally beat the all conquering Red Bulls.
One of their other short comings was straight line speed. But with this in mind, Ferrari focused their efforts on improving the straight line speed of their SF23. But the ground made up by Red Bull and the other teams Ferrari were beating last year, has led to the team panicking. Let's hope Vasseur can eventually stabilise the ship so Ferrari can stop hitting self destruct
That's just how ferrari roll. They've always been dysfunctional bar a few exceptions.
One of my f1 2023 predictions was Leclerc will not win a race I'm not saying that I hate Leclerc I'm just making a prediction
So you caused this huh!!!
that anti-porpoising rule was so frustrating
That rule destroyed last years car
Toto and Mercedes played that game well
@@Lanse1984 True their complaining worked for them as always
Same like Mclaren and Williams
Not so much, Ferrari has had absolute control of it destiny. McLaren and Williams have to deal with engine manufacturers.
Well, technically Ferrari could win a race if the circumstances are right. Just remeber 2021 when midfielders Renault and McLaren won with obviously worse cars than 2023's Ferrari. It might not happen but the hope is still there.
It's not about getting a win here and there is about having a car that is consistently good every race. I'd rather have Ferrari get no wins for the rest of the calendar if that meant they end up on the podium all the time (or at least most of the times) and being able to close the gap with Redbull, hopefully being able to compete with them next year (wishful thinking I know.)
Bring in Lamborghini and Porsche!!!
Not true the got P3 in Italy
Hope Ferrari get back into their feet....if you ask me they should recruit Substation Vettel as their team guide...Sebastian bring calmness and simple and straight route for Ferrari.....They right now just tangled by their problems...They need leader who tell them that is to keep things simple...work on drivers feedback first rather than just listening to enggineers.
I think we are over-estimating Leclerc’s potential. He is too subservient to the team and very far away from being in control of his own destiny. This can happen in any team but it takes a strong leader, (like Verstappen, Hamilton and Alonso) to shake up the apathy that sometimes occur…
in ferrari unfortunately driver will also need a strong team principal verstappen hamilton and alonso had horner wolff and briatore . can vasseur do the same role then leclerc can do it too
im tired of these comments blaming Leclerc, we all know what he can do when Ferrari provides him with a car that can actually compete. IM sorry but Max nor Hamilton would not be able to do anything with Ferraris Poor car, alonso and Vettel are prime examples.
@@AmakingsWP Hi Ama, you’ve slightly missed my point. I was trying to say that a strong leading driver will feed back important directives to the team, sometimes over a period of two or three seasons, to enable them to build and run a better, potentially ravage winning car. Ferrari are currently adrift without an anchor and any good driver (like Leclerc) needs a better team infrastructure to be victorious. It takes two to tango. It’s not about Leclerc’s driving skills, he is brilliant at that. Kind regards and respect to you.
@BeauRivage That’s a big list of “not strong leaders” in your opinion but you’ve failed to name a strong leader in your opinion? (so?)..
@BeauRivage exactly my point Schumi senior was also a great team leader just like Verstappen Hamilton and Alonso are now. We are talking current field, not greats from the past, so can you name one?
They decline since 2007 what did u mean?
wait we as fans suppose to expect ferrari to compete in titles? i havent seen that in a while. only seen peak performance and fall off for a good few years
So... Ferrari could use a driver who is very easy on the tires to make up for the car's deficit. A driver who can function under pressure (something Charles is not really good at).
Even the great Max can't win with this car.
Charles is the best, stop making up BS
Ferrari never give up ❤
#bringbacktodt
Ferrari, we can only spend 135 million.
Remove the horse and put in a donkey 😂😂
Hey is this a permanent thing Dre been gone woohooo
Charles will never be a champion. He’s an incredible driver but he lacks consistency. Even with a Red Bull a good team mate would get the better of him.
It’s unfortunate because I really like and respect him as a driver. His single lap pace is truly astonishing. I hope he will mature as a driver and become more successful on race days.
@BeauRivage it’s not all down to the car. Verstappen, Alonso & even Hamilton make far less mistakes
@BeauRivage and how many of those ended their races? Leclerc’s mistakes are race ending.
@BeauRivage Check your facts. Hamilton finished 15th in Baku 2021. Also, I mentioned that Charles mistakes are catastrophic and you literally just proved my point with my last comment. You call it “lucky” I call it not binning it into a wall so you can’t recover at all.
@BeauRivage when a driver makes a mistake the way they react in a cockpit, turning the steering wheel, touching the brakes / throttle is the way they stop an accident becoming race ending. If you don’t understand that then you don’t understand driving. Simple.
I'm happy being a McLaren fan, would be gutted to be a Ferrari fan.
McLaren are shit 💀
@ZIZSIG You have Def Leppard in your playlist, you can't tell me what is crap or not!!!!!!
@BeauRivage Keep the faith, keep the faith.
@BeauRivage Never said we're good, just less embarrassing than being a Ferrari fan.
Ferrari is now an injured horse once again.
Lol I was the first person to like comment and watch
Who cares, they won Le Mans and the Nurburgring 24 Hours
The decline of Ferrari started when Kimi Raikkonen got replaced early by Charles le Clerc. Beginning what I call the Raikkonen Curse.
Ferrari need re shuffling
I just don't really understand what Ferrari is doing to be quite honest. It has been having this tyre-degradation issue since 2019 and still today it hasn't found anything to fix this. It seems like, it took an impatient approach towards building it's car and I think that is costing it very badly here. Not able to understand and analyse the problem just evidently shows that it's a bunch of clowns.
FERRARI IS A JOKE!!!
Naaaa man it is the Ferrari stigma..... they think that everyone want too drive a ferrari but the car is overrated.... Lec will never win a championship
It's the same old thing... "Bla, bla, bla, for Ferrari to get back to the top."
When has Ferrari ever been at the top? I would argue the team has won driver and constructor championships only courtesy of unfair advantages built in to F1. But now those advantages have largely, finally, evaporated Ferrari will not win another title. It has always been the team where careers go to wither and die and Charles is only the latest casualty. Ferrari's issue is all about culture, that's not going to change.
Wonder if they’ll ever do a video about “The decline of WTF1”
Ferrari is good at innovation but horrible at keeping developments
Hire me...I know how to turn Ferrari to become the greatest team again.pls maranello,read this comment n hire me asap
Leclerc will never win a championship with this team and his inconsistent driving. I don't wanna hate
his driving is not the issue
Ferraris selfdestruction again...
sell to a chinese they know how to run business
🤓
This channel is getting worst every video. The "key" members of staff are the main people responsible for this bad stint.
Yet you're here and you still watched.
@@fernando_chadlonso Yea you where right. Time to unsubscribe after this shitshow of a video. Done
Ferrari is a joke
Ferrari is a joke. Maybe if the hermit kingdom of F1 learned remedial English (no such thing as a quality Italian driver) Ferrari might do better. Obviously joking, but Ferrari has the worst management, worst strategists, & even worse engineers who destroy driver careers. Terrible decision for anyone who signs with Ferrari, or any F1 team who’s stuck having to buy their inferior B team engines.
Ferrari is ferraris problem... been this way since 2017
Because Mercedes need the FIA help
You can’t blame Mercedes for Ferrari’s incompetence 😂
Like Ferrari get more cash than everyone else???? Muppet.
@@fresky5370 look, i am not going to defend ferrari but you know that there is a budget cap, right? You can't just throw money into the car to make it go fast.
@@Quellification And has there been any confirmation they broke the budget cap? Ferrari have redesigned their side pods, why aren't you questioning them?
@@fresky5370 so did Mercedes radically change their concept AND side pods. Are you going to accuse them of cost cap breach as well?