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‘The Chinese Lose Nothing By Restoring LAC Status Quo Ante To April 2020’
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 พ.ค. 2023
- NEW DELHI: Despite disengagement by Indian and Chinese troops at some places along the Line of Actual Control (LAC) in Eastern Control, tensions remain high. The Chinese are trying to show that they are the Big Brother and they expect India to be subservient, which is unacceptable, says Lt Gen. Sanjay Kulkarni (Retd), former Director General, Infantry. Speaking to StratNews Global Editor-in-Chief Nitin A. Gokhale on ‘The Gist’, Lt Gen. Kulkarni said “the Chinese don’t lose anything by restoring the status quo ante to April 2020” (before the current standoff began). Tune in for more.
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With due respect to Lt Gen Kulkarni I want to understand that just because we can see everything justifies Chinese occupation. Visibility does not mean that land is under our occupation.Your gut feeling does not give me any comfort because my gut feeling says they will not go back and are waiting to move further. I fail to understand why we hav
e not been able to use salami slicing to occupy land instead of Chinese. Chinese have been moving forward and we are just protecting what we can. Please do not rationalize Indias stand.
Please stop the nonsense of Vishwaguru. We have 50% of worlds illiterate in India. Even educated elect leaders like kejri , pappu, Italian and lalu. What a shame for so called educated lot.We need people like Sagat Singh and Harbaksh Singh to restore respect of India not story tellers. What bonhomie is being suggested when Chinese have been kicking us since 1962 and we have been accepting occupation of our land,
Sorry Gen is trying to act like a politician rather then an army-man.
Frankly, we do not yet have the capacity to even fully defend our borders. We may, as of now, only have the capacity to inflict major damage on the Chinese if they get into military conflict. The Chinese know this & thus they find that sweet spot below the war threshold .. of salami slicing .. more rewarding & fulfilling their objective. Salami slicing means India cannot go to war & China does not need to go to war.
"Teaching the Chinese a lesson" can only happen if Chinese force a war upon us. It is not in our capacity yet to start the war. That is how things usually are when the adversaries are lopsided in capacities.. not just the case with India & China. The pragmatic solution is to grin & bear as the topline... & make difficult & rarer in frequency (but cannot prevent) the forward movement of the Chinese as the bottom line. Our capacity (as well as the intent & will) to do the latter, though, has increased many fold from what it was in previous regimes. It was just that we were lucky that China wasn't yet fully ready to move forward when we were not even.paying attention to these regions during previous regimes. Else we would already have lost all of that a decade ago itself & without even a resistance.
Stay in the game.. & wait for your opportunity .. even if it takes years & decades. Keep working on building up your capacities .. not just the military ones .. in the meanwhile. The world & circumstances changes with time.. the enemy can make mistakes.. the enemy can get into other troubles, internal or external. That would be the time (if we ourselves have not slipped by that time though) Patience & relentless pursuit of capacity building makes nations great .. both defensively & offensively.
Very interesting perspectives given by Gen Sanjay Kulkarni especially regarding ‘dominating’ positions of Indian troops in all the places!!
Knowledgeable to the point disscustion 👍 ...🙏🏼 thanks nitin sir and team
These two..made for each other..mouthpieces
Brilliant conversation with Gen Kulkarni !!!
In my garden is a corner where I take a walk once in a while. Starting 2020, my neighbor stops me when I try to go to that spot. But don't worry, I can "see everything it's completely flat". Nothing to worry. Resolution is neighbor's responsibility.
if the negightbour is goon stronger than you?
Its a wishful thinking that Chinese would step back. We vacated Kailash Ranges, hoping Chinese would withdraw, instead they just stayed where they were and we lost advantage of Kailash ranges occupation.
In Hindi as we say दूध का जला छाछ भी फूंक फूंक कर पीता है..... lets stay vigilent
Where does this lie come from tell me? As a result of vacating Kailash they withdrew from finger 5 to 8. All settlements were demolished. Even that flag made from stones saying China. When has anyone made the PLA retreat and succeeded? Do you think that had a psychological impact on them?
My gut feeling is chinese will never withdraw from current depsang positions
depsang plains areas were captured by chinese from 1959 onwards they hold upper positions there from many years
There was once a bonhomie between both the Armies. Even exchanging festive sweets during the Chinese Spring festival and Deepavali.
Salute Indian Army Jai Hind
China will likely maintain or even increase its force strength in the Himalayan borders to commensurate with their investment in infrastructure build-up in Tibet and Xinjiang. India of course will counter China’s move with corresponding infrastructure development in the adjacent areas although India would rather do that following its own timeline than let China dictates the pace. Nevertheless India may be able to exploit the Chinese intransigence to extract more US military technology transfer to better India’s position in future security negotiation with China.
Lll
Y no discussion about PP 11- 13?
Stooge wont speak the truth..patriotic to a party, not to the nation
The general is telling indian soldiers are sitting at heights and can see every thing chinese are doing
But in 2020 indians were taken by surprise?why?
At the start you mean? Apr '20
@@johndoe-vc1we yes
@@Red.bulldozer3 we had an agreement with them that no exercises closer than 200 km from the border. They broke the agreement. That's why General said he was surprised. Fault lies with them not us. Agreements are just that. Not subject to whims.
@@johndoe-vc1we there was an aggreement that no sides should bring large numbers of troops and weapons within 10 km of either side of LAC and not 200 km,
But the chinese side had been conducting war games at tibet very close to LAC since 2017.
Prior to April 2020 intrusion there were a number of clashes all along the LAC especially at eastern ladakh.
But the indian government keep telling the public that everything under control. There were a lot of construction of roads, bunkers, tents and other activities going on day and night prior to April intrusion very close to LAC and it was reported to authorities by the locals.
Inspite of all these warnings, indian side let down the guard when large chinese forces intruded some 10-20 km at multiple points into eastern ladakh and still sitting comfortably even after 3 years
Has to be more. There can be upto ten divisions involved in exercises. At 10km distance will you be relaxed?
It will be good if the Chinese go back to April- 2020. What are the options if the Chinese decide to stay put !!?? Should India look to use force as a very last option !!?? Chinese do not plan their moves on local considerations or factors; they threw their hat in 1962 in consonance with the Cuban crisis.
These things take time. Sumdurong Chu in '86 took 9 nears before deinduction.
Status quo not acceptable in thought process, in action and deed
Chinese aggressive has been "blessing in disguise" / "opportunity in crisis" for us in India. Indian government needs to do more on Trade deficit - biggest issue right now in Indo-China relationship
China has set 2027 as deadline for war; our 114 jet MRFA will become available only after 2027. This is the sad difference -- how they look at security and how we do 😢
Very nice session 👌 👍 👏 😀
Bit of nonsense by the General - just because he can see the road does not mean that he has all the visibility he needs. Americans probably watched gathering of Chinese forces in the rear areas before the attack - something the Indian Army does not have visibility to due to shortage of ISR assets - and provided advanced warning. The good General is either unaware of such tactics, in which case how did he ever come to his role as an Army Commander? or he is embellishing
Interesting.. Thanks
I think those days are water under the bridge. We need to become stronger then them. Nothing else will work.
Mera observation yah hai Bharat mein apni Puri taiyari kar Li hai
Bharat intezar mein hai ki agar galwan jaisa koi incident hua tu Bharat bhi kisi important point per kabja kar lega..
Thanks to the General for giving the Indian public, confidence that we cannot be surprised by any sudden Chinese aggression. However, today's war will involve drone and more electronic war tools. China has stolen so much technology from the rest of the world, while India was somnolent for decades keeping us behind. How are we placed in respect to these modern tools? Secondly, General should have explained why gave up our Kailash Heights advantage? Lastly, why were the Gen and Nitin constantly pleading that Chinese should withdraw to pre April 2020 as they have much better infra and that too in a plateau and can reoccupy no-mans land anytime. Sad that we are pleading instead of suggesting that we should secretly encourage Tibetan rebellion and recognize Tibet. The General is contradicting himself. On the one hand, he says our troops can see far and check the Chinese at all times and can hence prevent them from coming forward but he also says the Chinese have ability and facility to rush back and occupy no-mans land anytime.
Frankly, we do not yet have the capacity to even fully defend our borders. We may, as of now, only have the capacity to inflict major damage on the Chinese if they get into military conflict. The Chinese know this & thus they find that sweet spot below the war threshold .. of salami slicing .. more rewarding & fulfilling their objective. Salami slicing means India cannot go to war & China does not need to go to war.
"Teaching the Chinese a lesson" can only happen if Chinese force a war upon us. It is not in our capacity yet to start the war. That is how things usually are when the adversaries are lopsided in capacities.. not just the case with India & China. The pragmatic solution is to grin & bear as the topline... & make difficult & rarer in frequency (but cannot prevent) the forward movement of the Chinese as the bottom line. Our capacity (as well as the intent & will) to do the latter, though, has increased many fold from what it was in previous regimes. It was just that we were lucky that China wasn't yet fully ready to move forward when we were not even.paying attention to these regions during previous regimes. Else we would already have lost all of that a decade ago itself & without even a resistance.
Stay in the game.. & wait for your opportunity .. even if it takes years & decades. Keep working on building up your capacities .. not just the military ones .. in the meanwhile. The world & circumstances changes with time.. the enemy can make mistakes.. the enemy can get into other troubles, internal or external. That would be the time (if we ourselves have not slipped by that time though) Patience & relentless pursuit of capacity building makes nations great .. both defensively & offensively.
Have the Chinese agree to the McMahon Line which is an effective boundary between China and India.
After all, Burma (Myanmar)’s border was resolved between the Chinese and the Myanmarese exactly there.
sure we do not lose anything, but we just do not want to do it, what can you do? nothing.
Good luck to you....Go and fight with India, and western powers in Taiwan....Push India towards western block. Good luck to you....
@@satyamgolu who cares, what you can do in west, even if they want you? a puppet? they do not even care Ukraine, by what you think west like you more than Ukraine? are you whiter than them??
You guys want Taiwan right? When you go for Taiwan, we open our front with you. Ever heard of two fronts? Oh sorry, it will be multiple fronts for you. What are you going to do about it? Nothing.
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Nitin and Gen. Kulkarni Saheb what if China decides to attack as our Raksha Mantri does plainspeak ??? Are we prepared in all respects ????
Yes
Too naive approach to expect friendly Chinese! You could never trust them whatever may be the conditions on the border! Need to be more realistic!
Modi had said india did not lose land to china but why india is demanding china go back to pre April 2020 statusque?
The general also mentioned indian troops cannot go back places they used to patrol because they being blocked by chinese.
It means clearly chinese are sitting deep inside indian territory and modi government is ashamed to tell the public about it
100%
It becomes very hard to say we have lost ground after blaming the congress for losing territories.
@@hokz7283 Modi should proudly say that under BJP rule india only lost 2000 sq km land compared to 38,000 sq km land lost during congress rule.
Surely this is an achievement
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This is so true that and that lives of our troops do not matter... Hope M0d! Understands that...
He needs to Punish PLA/CCP/PRC to teach a lesson that they remember for the next 5000 years
But M0d! Says...koi aaya nahi koi gaya nahi...
Seems like wishful expectations .. this kind of thinking will appear 'weak' to someone who is celebrating newly gained advantage (their general who did this misadventure got promoted many levels suddenly and considered a hero now).
Then relations will not be normalised. We will do as we see fit. For instance building infrastructure used to be negotiable. No longer.
👍
All this goodwill, Chinese sadly don't understand.. The only way to restore status quo is to grab some Chinese territory and force them to go back
Grab disputed territory you mean. They have not taken any of our territory. What they attempted was salami slicing. Occupy upto their perception and prevent our patrols. We've reversed that in a number of places and this has created buffer zones where neither patrols to their perception.
Define your objectives state your premises then act.
china should set militay base in gilgit, gwadar, coco island, develop sunda strait and bloack india from percian gulf and internationl north-south corridor
Why the chinese needs to vacate depsang plains when are businesses between the countries soaring despite the chinese intrusion and galwan incident? Last year the volume of trade between both countries are USD 120 billion favouring China. Indians imported USD 100 billion worth of chinese goods but china only imported USD 20 billion.
Business is as usual despite modi government telling relations are strained 😂
Of all the friction points along china LAC , depsang plains in eastern ladakh and doklam tri junction are the most critical.
The chinese wont give up depsang plains as predicted by this retired general.
This depsang plains are very close to DBO road connecting DBO air base in north ladakh. From the current position in depsang, the chinese can easily block and bomb DBO road cutting off supplies to DBO air field
China under president xi is different now. China now has second largest economy and third powerful military in the world. Currently indian army is no match to chinese army. The chinese can easily repeat 1962 victory and snatch away ladakh and Arunachal Pradesh.
Yeah okay in their Chinese wet dreams.
Whats stopping you then, try it.
@@Jacknjellify531. Chinese had already occupied Aksai Chin (38,000 sq km ) which is part of northern ladakh in 1962. In the recent incursion in 2020!, they have occupied another 2000 sq km land in eastern ladakh without any resistance from indians.
Most of northern Arunachal Pradesh under under chinese control and they have built villages, roads, schools.
In pangso so lake, chinese have built bridges,roads etc.
Now they are eyeing rest of ladakh and Arunachal Pradesh. If chinese can grab free land from indians without fight why want a war?
@@Red.bulldozer3 the whole world knows how china got that land by lies deceit and deception, is that all you want ? Theres more, come and get it..
🇨🇳SOB🇨🇳
This is a stand-off of 2.5 trillion versus 17 trillion.
India has become powerful before it became strong
3.5 trillion correct it
All nations have the right to retaliate legal squibbling by wily neighbourhood 😊
India unilaterally cbanged Ladakh status ; wt. about that?😊
The territory of J&K and Ladakh belongs to India, thus we can change status. What are you going to do about it? Nothing.
Inshallah, hope the tensions dissappear
They don't own anything this side of Macmahon line. We have lost as of now ak chin pok n other spots. China must go back .
Tera Kia hoga Kalia love u china
Tu fiker mat kar jakke aate ki line mein khada ho.
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