1:10 Seeing as the topic is about Marx I was kind of hoping (but at the same time kind of not hoping) you'd say "Hey all you marxists" I understand why you didn't though xD
I KNOW RIGHT?! Oh, I know exactly why he doesn’t scream in this one. Notice how none of Marx Soul’s unique attacks are featured in this Marx fight? Notice how they use the regular Marx rather than the clearly superior Marx Soul? It’s because Sakurai directed Super Star, but not Super Star Ultra. This is true for so much Kirby content in Smash. It’s almost all from the games he’s directed: both remixes are from his games. Magalor can’t be enhanced while Marx can. Dynablade is a legendary, but it’s not even a true final boss anywhere. It all lines up. The Great Cave Offensive is chosen over any other, better, Kirby stage. The list goes on. Edit: Removed “theme” when talking about Marx Soul in order to keep argument truthful.
@@solarissect6649 At least with Triple Deluxe, Planet Robobot, and Star Allies, the true antagonist waits in the shadows until they're called upon at the very end (I speak of Sectonia, Star Dream, and Void Termina, of course).
I wrote that one in my script with a goofy grin on my face haha - maybe I’ve been watching too many of those meme streams as of late. Thanks for checking this one out! Great to hear from you. Your editing style was super inspirational to break down and try new things when I first got started, and I still find new tidbits you do that have me fascinated.
I've heard people comparing this fight to that of it's origin, and it's nice to actually have it explained by somebody who knows their way around the Kirby series, of which I do not. My first experience with this fight was playing Inkling's Classic Mode, and my reaction basically boiled down to: "Oh hey it's that cute guy from Star All- WHAT IS THAT!?"
Lol I'm a big kirby guy and sakurai adapted his normal form not his creepier soul form only available as a secret boss in super star ultra. Even sakurai said he wanted to make marx scarier in the sephiroth showcase he probably meant including his soul form and his horrible death scream.
Do wanna add this as a note for Star Allies. In the new mode Heroes In Another Dimension if you get the good ending Marx *does* backstab you during the credits game and you have to beat his ass there. It's more of a minigame thing with a small time limit but it plays up the whole "he's only helping you in star allies because he thinks there's a even bigger threat out there" narrative. Also in regards to Marx's forms it's kind of implied that he's *always* had the wings and capabilities seen so him flipping between the two isn't that unfounded. Heck, the smash bros spirit that Sakurai himself made calls the winged version his "true form".
@@dbomb8825 He literally created Marx. It's his character. I think he gets to say what is and isn't canon on that, and I doubt Nintendo as a whole just lets him mislabel things in smash in the first place :v. Trust me, you're talking to the biggest Kirby nut out there.
It’s almost like a sped up version of meeting him in Milky Way Wishes for people who don’t know who he is too. They’ll see him and wonder why they have to fight something so cute and then come face to face with his horrifying powered up form that, with it’s presentation, reveals how insane he is. I absolutely love it.
I ended up fighting Marx at the very start of my experience with Smash Ultimate, as I went straight to Kirby’s Classic Mode to refresh myself on the gameplay and ended up fighting this guy by complete accident. I almost wish that I had been able to fight Marx in World of Light blind, as this was one of my favorite fights from the game. I honestly really like that they paid attention to a lot of the smaller details from his fight in Super Star, such as the bizarre face he makes in the split second before firing his massive laser. I still find it amazing that they somehow managed to make Marx even creepier than in his home game by virtue of his bizarre new moves, especially the ones involving his eyes. They did do a good job with incorporating all sorts of nods to his boss moveset in Star Allies as well, though. The Brawl remix of the Marx theme is also as excellent as always.
They could have made a new remix that keeps the percussion. I like the brawl version, but it's just not the same without the constant thumping of drums in the background
Isn't "don't judge a book by it's cover" a central theme of Kirby? Kirby is cute but super powerful. King Dedede is the bad guy but kind of cute himself. Meta Knight is sharp and scary but inside he's cute and squishy. Hmmm. Maybe it's less "don't judge a book by it's cover" and more "everything in this world is cute".
I think that’s definitely a large part of the design. If I recall correctly, Kirby got his name because it was a fun way to contrast a cute character with a formerly butch sounding name. More than meets the eye absolutely plays in here, just without the potential of a Transformers lawsuit. Thanks for checking this one out, Obi!
Yeah, cause you see Miracle Matter and 02 with music and say, "Wow! They are so cute! I wanna cuddle them and wake up with a multiple-red eyed Icosahedron and a giant bleeding eye with a thorny stem everyday"
While I do like how Kirby keeps itself fresh with new antagonists each game, I certainly wouldn't complain if we got a full-length title with Marx (or Zero) as a returning main villain.
Granted, if you've read the paranoid ramblings for certain fans, you could argue they're all connected in some way. Amusingly enough, I actually can't think of a link between Marx and Zero, but both connect in some way to most of the other bosses. Drawcia is the most confusing of all of them and Nightmare's connection is pretty flimsy, but every other one I can think of (other than Gryl) connect to 1 of those 2.
If you've haven't played Kirby Star Allies, then spoilers... Yeah all the bosses are connected to Kirby, or should I say Void, or should I say Zero 0. Oh, and dharkon is Kirby.
Im down as long as the story is fresh and not a rehash. I just loved how they made Nova return in planet robobot but made him the main bad and gave him a new story unrelated to milky way wishes. I love how kirby not only brings back characters but does new things with them as well to expand the lore.
I hope no one considers this title and thumbnail a spoiler for Ultimate On a side note: I love that the Ganon fight retains his tail weakness from OoT, and Dracula fight with his head. Makes them feel true to the fights they’re based on.
What I love best about Ganon was how Nintendo seemed to acknowledged just how bad Dark Beast Ganon from Breath of the Wild was with that whole laser thing. It's WAYYYYY more threatening now that it's on a 2D plane, but is still his easiest attack to dodge and punish.
Nicktendo 1 Yeah, it works pretty good, especially for slow characters. It can still get kind of annoying, though, lmao. Speaking of directional air dodges, I’m so glad they are back.
Okay so props on the video subject by default. Marx was the first final boss I ever faced, so my nostalgia for him is abnormally high. And thank you for also going into how he plays with a theming expectation instead of just "IT'S HIM BUT MORE ALSO SMASH IS LIKE A KIRBY GAME DID YOU KNOW". Really appreciate that. What I love about Marx's later two inclusions isn't necessarily redemption, but that he shows himself as a "friend". Perhaps a slightly maniacal one, but he ultimately does share some level and bond with Kirby in some fashion, even if just implied. I like the Smash Bros ending creating a sort of neutral tone with Marx, as you pointed out, and feel it furthers the theming presented in Star Allies. It's also one of the few times I think Sakurai got theming right for a Kirby game post-Super Star - Sakurai's great, but damn does he not represent Kirby post-1995 in Smash at all. Marx is obviously on the line with that, but I feel the influence of the later, darker Kirby installments in that fight, and that means a lot. Outta curiousity, you got a favorite Kirby end boss? Bias makes me go with this guy, but escalation-wise I LOVE Star Dream from Robobot.
I prefer Star Dream Soul OS, but True Void Termina is a very close second. Only thing holding him back is the Angel phase Master Crown being surprisingly easy, and the fact that Astral Birth Void becomes a bit repetitive, despite the various ways it can use it's three attacks. Change those two things, and True Void Termina trumps Star Dream Soul OS for me.
Bruh I can talk about the lack of modern Kirby content in Smash for longer than the amount of time it’s been since Air Ride. Check my reply on the comment asking about Marx Soul’s scream.
There's one thing you kind of missed. Marx having more gory looking attacks makes him fit in with some of the other Kirby bosses. Like Zero and whatnot. I mean.... I know people keep saying Marx is super creepy. But honestly, he was more goofy to me than creepy. (Not counting the Soul version. THAT one was a bit creepy.) But, when your first Kirby final boss was Zero.... Yeah, he's pretty mild by comparison. Ultimate, however, puts him more on that level, thanks to having veins burst from where his wings were, his eyeballs tearing from his eye sockets to be used as an attack, and the weird compound eyes attack.... Yeah, he's quite a bit more disturbing now. In a good way though. It ties into just how psychotic he is.
Played Dreamland 3 on the final hours of 2018 through 2019 and it's a great boss from a great game, I wasn't at all surprised with scene since *everyone* talks about that boss fight for years, but I really give kudos for how such a simple design for him and Dark Matter gives then the evilest aura of all Kirby villains, in my opinion.
When my brother and I suddenly had to fight Marx as little children we were pretty damn scared man. I might have a bit of trauma, I got extremely stressed when this dude showed up in Smash lol
Sakurai admits that he actually wanted Marx's appearance and moveset to be even creepier and more gory, but had to tone him down so he'd still be appropriate for an E10+ game.
i honestly think Smash Ultimate Marx and Star Allies Marx are like two sides of a coin. I like to see the Star Allies Marx as his normal form, where he looks cute and innocent, whilest in smash ultimate, it represents the power hungry (quite literally) demonic Marx. I think that maybe, if it wasnt because of the limitations of the era, the campaing of milky way wishes could have a playable Marx or have Marx help you in some kind of way, showing that he actually has strong powers, but maybe toned down, since in star allies his moveset is kinda designed to be op. I love the star allies Marx because it looks like a representation of what could have been a more deep role of Marx on the whole campaign of Milky Way Wishes, that would totally make a greater bound with kirby and the player, just like Magolor did in Return to Dreamland. Plus, i can totally see Marx as a playable fighter in smash because of that, again, with really toned down attacks, and even that would be awesome, because it could be interpreted as like Marx always had those powers, the nova just maked it stronger.
Daryan Skye Now I really want Marx in smash. I already wanted another Kirby rep, but I couldn’t think of a good one. Hadn’t even thought of Marx before this. He’d be great
@@Rapphire20XX Well, Chrom can be both a mii and part of a final smash paralel to being a playable character. Also, Ganondorf is seeing on a cutscene transforming to Ganon, same with Giga Bowser, but i dont think Marx is going to be a DLC character. Im totally convinced that Nintendo will go all on into making all the new DLCs third party characters, just like smash 4 (with the exception of Corrin)
As a gigantic Kirby geek, I was half hoping we’d get some attacks from Marx Soul in there too. The attack where he splits in half and transforms into two fireballs or when he causes paintballs to rain from the sky would work especially well in Smash Bros, I believe. Great content as usual, Skip!
Nothing from Super Star Ultra or later will ever make it into Smash. Sakurai refuses to acknowledge any Kirby games made after his departure from HAL (he quit after Air Ride’s release). In fact, that’s the precise reason that Dedede’s Final Smash in Smash 4 was Dedede Burst instead of Smash Ultimate’s Masked Dedede attack (Dede-Rush). It’s also the real reason that Bandana Waddle Dee will never be a playable fighter. Sakurai was petty enough to deny Masked Dedede’s existence, even though Super Star Ultra had been out for 6 years by Smash 4’s release. It’s especially amusing, since Kirby games have done nothing but improve since other creators have taken over.
Brendan Hurley Honestly I’ve been thinking about this a lot. It’s... kind of pathetic, really. Which sucks, because I have mad respect for the guy. If someone played Smash without knowing what Kirby was, they’d really only know about Super Star and Dreamland.
I don’t think he’s petty, I just think it’s easier for him to include stuff he recognizes. Besides, he has included a lot more modern songs than Sm4sh got. And I don’t think he hates HAL. He left on his own terms because he wanted to make something new, nothing more.
Smash acknowledges things from Kirby games Sakurai wasn't involved in all the time. Adoleine, the 3 mage sisters, Halcandria, Kirby's giant sword, Magolor, Revenge of the King, Galacta Knight, Dark Meta Knight, C.R.O.W.N.E.D., Zero ²'s theme, Kirby's robobot, Heart of Steel, some other themes from 3D Kirby games, Amazing Mirror's forest theme, & probably some stuff I'm forgetting. Plus Classic Mode's bonus stage is extremely similar to Return to Dreamland's rifts. I hate Sakurai a ton but I'm actually surprised how much he acknowledges from Kirby games he didn't work on.
D YellowMadness Theres nothing related to adeleine in smash, and just because they included some music tracks and added some holes to a mask doesn’t mean modern kirby gets much representation. All the stages are from dreamland or superstar, we gets tons of green greens and gourmet race remixes but no modern remixes. Almost no dreamland 2/3 representation at ALL, bandana dee still not being in the game, and barely any references to games he didn’t work on in general.
When I saw him at the end of Kirby's Classic Mode I was like "WHAAAT?!" It was so awesome to fight him again and in Smash of all games! I'm glad I finished it before you made this video, otherwise, the surprise might have been spoiled for me, haha.
Great video as always. I like that you tried to address those new attacks as well as the model and animations and such, and your whole point of "don't trust appearances" is one I feel couldn't be any more fitting to the Kirby series. One more thing I'd like to add, however, is that Marx's three new attacks feel a little like distortions of the older ones. His eye-lasers are obviously a variant of his mouth laser that is dodged in a different way - the mouth laser required you to stay in one 'sweet spot' while the eye lasers require you to keep moving with them in order to stay safe. The screen-filling branches are a play on his plant attack where he plants seeds in random locations and thorny plants grow out of them. Again, this attack is completely turned on its head as the pattern in which the branches grow is always predetermined here - it's just a matter of making it to the safe space in time. The bouncing black eyeballs are a little more difficult to figure out, but my guess is that it's the cutter attack distorted in the same way as the other two. While the cutters were launched all at once in a predetermined manner, the bouncing eyeballs are fired off one at a time and bounce unpredictably around the arena, as well as lingering around for longer. This requires the player to keep thinking on their feet to avoid them, as opposed to the cutters where they had to predict where the cutters would fly in relation to Marx's position. All in all, I think these new attacks are great and add to the whole feeling of insanity, as they look similar to other attacks (the bouncing eyeballs less so) but actually work in the complete opposite fashion, messing with the player just that little bit more. Sorry this comment was so long - I didn't mean to write a huge essay this time - but there's one more thing I'd like to ask. With Giga Bowser becoming a boss once more, how well do you think they handled his return? I can guess what they might have been going for - the format of the Melee battle is combined with the 'every boss uses stamina' mentality of later installments and the non-flinching characteristic added to Giga Bowser when he became a Final Smash in Brawl and the Wii U/3DS game. If that's the case, how well do you think they captured the character of Giga Bowser throughout the series? Or do you think they were trying to make something different altogether? I'd like to hear your thoughts on this.
I love this boss fight, but I wish a different boss was chosen. Sakurai only likes to reference the four Kirby games he directed: Dream Land, Adventure, Super Star, and Air Ride. I would have loved a more modern Kirby boss like Magolor or Sectonia.
I love his entrance animation, you start the fight facing right expecting the boss to come. Then this small fella appears behind you menacingly and transforms. It is such a great scene.
I HATE YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
As a longtime Kirby fan, this battle made me so goddamn happy. From the bombasticly over the top intro and defeat animations, to the faithful recreations of all his old attacks, and the wrenches thrown in known as his new attacks, which REALLY caught me off guard, but left me smiling the first time. And they finally got to use the Brawl Marx remix in something. It made me so incredibly happy to see a Kirby boss this faithfully recreated. Besides the final boss of WoL, this is by far my favorite fight in the franchise, it's just so well done. And again, great video analyzing the topic. I was initially thinking of making a video in the same vain but you beat me to the punch and even better than I could've managed.
Excellent video as always. I think the reason why Marx's recreated boss is more similar to the other recreated bossed was because Sakurai worked on Kirby Super Star before Smash (plus, the Kirby games that has the Super Star game play style like Return to Dreamland, Triple Deluxe, Planet Robobot, and Star Allies pretty much play very similarly to Smash but with one attack button instead of 2) though Dracula was also pretty spot on to his original boss but that boss honestly seemed very easy to recreate in a 2D playing field, same creator or not. Now I would joke that Smash is secretly Kirby Spin off fighting staring Nintendo (and gaming all stars) but I am sure a lot of people did so already. Also, when it comes to Marx's Star Allies appearance, I always seen it as a non canon playable character that was added for fun but I could be wrong.
Aleksi Taunimaa oh yea, that happened. Well, that was a one for one remake were he dose the same exact moves so yea, your right. The only move the smash version doesn't do that the original boss dose is that one move where he shoots those spear things but the smash version dose spice things up by adding in 2 new moves with the freaky eye balls and arm roots. I am pretty upset that Marx was not in the arena in Star Allies even though you fight him in the credits
When I first ran into him in World of Light, I was instantly hyped. Marx was one of my most favorite bosses/villains as a kid. And unlike what was common to think at the time, I didn't see him as "oh look he's a backstabber that became the devil", but as an awkward friend who felt left behind by Kirby, as Kirby became more loved by everyone else. I honestly empathized with the guy, since that's how I was with my friends (except, you know, I didn't make a wish on a Shenron-o-clock). So having that fight in World of Light was such a highlight for me, just ranked below the final-final fight (because that was seriously hype too). I still have my reservations about Ultimate not being so Ultimate (mostly from being told nearly everything about it before it released), but this fight and the final final fight... And ring dong dang... Made me shut my mouth and just enjoy the darn game.
(5:36) Bruh....Kirby Star Allies Wave 1 DLC. All you have to do to redeem Marx is give him food. JUST GIVE HIM FOOD AND HE'S REDEEMED. I love his recreation in both Smash and Kirby Star Allies. Do a video on Void. He's a....rather interesting final boss if you pay attention to all the details spread throughout Kirby's games.
@ThatGreenOne dunno. I think it just pulled a Dark Matter on Marx, considering how purple flames can be seen entering and exiting Marx at the start and end of the boss fight.
My response to realizing he's in the game as a boss (Inkling route was the first time I encountered him) "Oh god a Kirby final boss what screen spam nonsense am I going to have to face here?"
Filling the screen with attacks has become a common tactic of Kirby’s final bosses in recent years. The true secret final boss (yes, the TRUE secret final boss; the distinction is necessary) in Star Allies puts almost every previous final boss in the series to shame with its absurdly erratic attack patterns and ridiculous levels of projectile spam. And this is in what is generally considered one of the easiest Kirby games in the entire series.
@@cyrushalberd624 mmmmm... 3 months of trying to beat *_FUCKING TRUE ARENA IN ROBOBOT_* compared to my only 6 failures at Void Termina would beg to differ.
Captain Falcon Oh goodness, I completely forgot how asinine Star Dream Soul OS was! Three phases of a behind-the-back shooter followed by an entirely new on-foot battle. I forgot how rough it was just to reach the final phase with a decent amount of health, let alone win. Especially considering stuff like the desperation attack at the end that’s somewhat likely to tank your first run, among other things. I suppose I was just looking at it in terms of strictly the final phase of the fight when I said “true final boss”. That was clearly a mistake. At least in the case of Soul Melter EX Void Termina, Phase 2 is horrifically easy even on the highest settings of the Ultimate Choice. Star Dream Soul OS doesn’t even have that. I’d have to compare these two more directly to see which one seems more difficult for myself, but Star Dream Soul OS is almost definitely on par with Soul Melter EX Void Termina in difficulty if not more difficult.
This is beatiful. But there's one thing that you could have forgotten, just as a fact - original Japanese name of Marx was Mark, on Japanese Mark is Maku, so it kinda makes a pun, since aku means evil in Japanese. It's not me who found that out, i don't remember the person who found that out first, sadly.
Man, I didn't recognize any of the boss silhouettes when it came to fighting them (except Dracula since you literally fought your way through his castle), but when it came to fighting Marx, I was beyond excited! My favorite video game boss, and I got the chance to fight it for the 3rd time (Marx to Marx Soul to Ultimate Marx). It made my day, as it was a boss I really wanted, but figured that it would be a long shot. It just didn't seem possible to me. NOPE. WE GOT EM!!!
I think that Kirby star allies really plays up the “ silent evil” feel he had in his first appearances. The only time ultimate shows that is the first few seconds before the fight. Also the “it does not make sense that he is Kirby’s friend,” “argument” (for a lack of other words) actually makes sense because Kirby trusts literally everybody.
I love the entrance for his boss fight. Since I only knew what Marx looked like and that he was a very powerful and insane villain of Kirby’s I was legitimately worried when I saw him behind me and his fight had me on edge the entire time.
I love how Marx's motivation in Star Allies is just "I still hate you, but these guys won't leave anything left for me to rule, so... I guess I'll help out."
When Ultimate came out, I didn’t get it until Christmas, and since I hate getting spoiled, I took it upon myself to dodge all Smash spoilers until I got Ultimate. Now, my friend knows that Marx is my favorite Kirby villain and one of my all time favorite villains ever, so she kept telling me that there is a boss that will break me. She was also aware of how much I really love Splatoon, and since Marx is the boss of Inkling’s Classic Mode, she kept saying to play Inkling’s Classic Mode once I got the game. So, once I got Ultimate on Christmas Day, and saw Marx, I screamed. The combination of seeing Marx back, in Smash Bros, all the while the Calamari Inkantation, my favorite video game track ever, playing as the theme, I melted. Seeing Marx back and recreated while hearing my favorite video game track at the same still puts me beyond words.
erhem 3 differences 1 Marx is purple not pink 2 [im sorry to myself and Marx fans] his feet look like loaves of bread while kirbys feet look like beans 3 MARX IS INSANE AND A SOMEWHAT DEMON
I love the Theory on how it can be said that Marx was possessed. When I first fought Marx in WoL not only did I go crazy over my favorite Kirby villain being in the game but also how after you beat him purple demonic like flames leave his body. It made me think the Darkhon(sorry if spelled wrong) possessed him to do his bidding like similarly to Galleem possessing Giga Bowser in WoL. Really makes you think there is truly a demon inside Marx and I believe the next Kirby game that gives him a big role or return of him will emphasize on it to help us have a better vision on how Marx sees things and what he deals with.
Marx in Star Allies _could_ be the case of helping _just_ to get the bigger threat out of the way, then go back to being evil. But there's also the possibility he isn't actually there, but a clone conceived by Kirby via the Dream Palace, and whoever Kirby summons is a friend.
Amongst all the Kirby games I've played, Marx stands out as one of my favorite bosses ever. Having him as a boss in Smash Ultimate, and still feeling like the same as back in Super Star Deluxe makes me sooo happy!
In Star Allies, he’s being less creepy because he’s pretty much forcing himself to be nice in order to get more food. You can see him almost snap in his waiting animation, and at the end of the DLC mode, he goes back to his evil ways and attacks you in the credits.
I was so happy when I saw Marx’s silhouette once I reached him in WoL. Seriously man Marx is without a doubt one of the best final bosses I’ve ever faced and Marx Soul was absolutely amazing. My favorite parts of any Kirby game are the final bosses and the surprisingly deep lore that the final bosses have.
The boss is amazing, but with that small Marx hanging around doing nothing, wish he could also be playable, similar to Giga Bowser and Ganon are to Bowser and Ganondorf
Just firstly, at the beginning you mentioned "Sakurai" While I am all for dev representation I would just like to mention how Smash is the only game where you'd actually represent a dev within a video and I'd like to ask for you to upgrade your dev knowledge beyond the obvious devs that literally everyone knows. But otherwise, nice video I liked the boss a lot althought it was a bit overdoing it and the animations honestly looked a bit like garbadge by not redesigning the sprite and probably just literally ripping the sprite into a 3D model. But thats also my bias of being annoyed at overrepresentation of the Sakurai Kirby games... or rather just super star
Sure, I agree that all devs need more credit, and consideration when it's given to newer folks [i.e. Kenta Motokura credited as the designer instead of Miyamoto] However, Sakurai has historically been credited for Marx, and as far as a return to the game series where he is such a huge part of it, I do think a credit to him is fair here. Thanks for checking this one out, Maurice
@@skipthetutorial Of curse a credit to Sakurai is definetly fair here (Especially as Sakurai games still do have some pretty great boss battles), it just gave me some kinda "opening" to mention how most gamedevs are undercredited which I also kinda noticed in your videos, unlike in case of Sakurai who is so overcredited compared to everyone else that people even notice a bit how overcredited he is. But anyways, nice video
Marx is a great character in the Kirby series! I find him really awesome he is different from a lot of other bosses in the Kirby series we need more Kirby games with marx
I don’t think Marx from smash is as good as you say he is, he is missing the lightning arrow attack, not to mention the entirety of Marx Soul. I also don’t like Marx’s model, the color is too pale for Marx, and maybe this is just because of the “Fixing Marx’s Render” video, but Marx’s model is shaped too ovally, and his movement is a bit too stiff overall, I do enjoy the new attacks though, as well as him being more creepy now. I’m glad he’s here, just think they disserviced him, I guess that the electric arrows would go on too long for so characters to avoid damage, and we all know Sakurai dislikes anything he didn’t create relating to Kirby, that includes Marx Soul. Also I noticed that the “evil” leaving Marx’s body looks exactly like how king Dedede and Meta Knight look when they become un-possessed(?) by the dark Jamba hearts in Star allies, so maybe this Marx fight is an unofficial, non canon prequel to Marx becoming a dream friend?
I always assumed the light that leaves Marx's body at the end of the fight is just him losing his powers. In Super Star he got the power by asking Nova so maybe one of the two deities of Ultimate gave him power. Though him being posessed would also work in this story.
I feel like they both represent well. If Marx truly is possessed I would expect that when he's not possessed as an ally he would be a lot more cute and cuddly. Although I will admit I enjoy ultimate's version more, I cant help but feel that kirby would forgive marx and that they may have went on adventures together.
An interesting tidbit is that ultimate uses the original marx design rather than his soul form from the true arena. Ultimate marx is super fun for sure but even I like to go back to the soul form battle every once in a while. His soul fight is also creepier than ultimate in my opinion.
I never played superstar or superstar ultra, but marx always looked like a good boss fight, and finding out he was the same in smash ultimate at the start but the finding out he actually had a few new moves was a really cool experience. I never liked his music though. I still don't think it's too outstanding, but it's better than it's original version.
I think if you were to do marx proper as a dream friend, in his regular form he'd play just like he does, but in his true form his attacks would damage all of the other players.
Really enjoyed the video, super interesting insight that most wouldn't consider! I think people don't think much thought goes into adapting bosses (possibly because they don't expect much), but I'm glad to see someone's giving them a more thorough analysis! One small thing, might want to up the volume on the music a tad, it seems really low compared to your other audio, and it sometimes sounds like there's no music at all. Other than that, nicely done!
I completely agree with you, Marx is a blast to play as in SA, but his Ultimate boss fight is absolutely incredible, the only thing I don't like though is his intro. I personally found his 1st phase more unnerving than his 2nd form, whereas, in Super Star, he's not outright malicious, but even that's just a small gripe with a near perfect fight!
Marx was my number one pick for a character before ultimate came out (he still is, but I now seriously doubt he will be one). But I gotta say I was nothing but happy the first time I saw him after finishing kirby's classic mode.
You know, when you were talking about Marx in Star Allies. I was honestly surprised you didn't mention his appearance as a boss during the credits of Heroes In Another Dimension. Granted, it is pretty much an exact recreation of his original fight without anything added except he doesn't have the atmospheric background and they simply used a bigger version of his cutesy playable model. I still thought it was at least worth to touch upon. I guess it would be a spoiler to some, but at this point most of those who care enough to finish the new mode have already done so.
HAL: Yo Sakurai we've recreated Marx- Sakurai: You what HAL: We've recreated Marx so he's- Sakurai: You remade Marx without me? HAL: Well, you aren't exactly working at HAL anymore- Sakurai: *You will regret that*
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Seeing as the topic is about Marx I was kind of hoping (but at the same time kind of not hoping) you'd say "Hey all you marxists" I understand why you didn't though xD
#JusticeForMarx
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SolarisLumos reigns*
@@sna1466 okay so i messed up
That'd be awesome
Was anyone else low-key hoping he'd have his signature blood-curdling scream when he gets defeated?
I dunno, they got pretty close.
he still has but it's not earrape anymore
Yes
That scream scared me as a kid. I was kind of hoping to hear it in Ultimate.
I KNOW RIGHT?! Oh, I know exactly why he doesn’t scream in this one. Notice how none of Marx Soul’s unique attacks are featured in this Marx fight? Notice how they use the regular Marx rather than the clearly superior Marx Soul? It’s because Sakurai directed Super Star, but not Super Star Ultra. This is true for so much Kirby content in Smash. It’s almost all from the games he’s directed: both remixes are from his games. Magalor can’t be enhanced while Marx can. Dynablade is a legendary, but it’s not even a true final boss anywhere. It all lines up. The Great Cave Offensive is chosen over any other, better, Kirby stage. The list goes on.
Edit: Removed “theme” when talking about Marx Soul in order to keep argument truthful.
"Don't trust the appearences" is the plot of every kirby game ever lmao
"Don't trust anyone" is the plot of Super Star and Return to Dreamland :^)
idk, Planet Robobot make it's villains pretty apparent from what i can remember.
@@solarissect6649 At least with Triple Deluxe, Planet Robobot, and Star Allies, the true antagonist waits in the shadows until they're called upon at the very end (I speak of Sectonia, Star Dream, and Void Termina, of course).
@@MrAuthor3DS Yeah, and i feel they become more interesting twists as a result.
And that’s why we need modern Kirby references in Smash.
Sakurai made Marx.
Sakurai made Ultimate.
Sakurai made and voices Dedede.
Sakurai made Kirby.
*Marx left with Sakurai.*
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you gotta be proud of that joke
I wrote that one in my script with a goofy grin on my face haha - maybe I’ve been watching too many of those meme streams as of late.
Thanks for checking this one out! Great to hear from you. Your editing style was super inspirational to break down and try new things when I first got started, and I still find new tidbits you do that have me fascinated.
Yes.
@@AJA_974 no.
I've heard people comparing this fight to that of it's origin, and it's nice to actually have it explained by somebody who knows their way around the Kirby series, of which I do not.
My first experience with this fight was playing Inkling's Classic Mode, and my reaction basically boiled down to:
"Oh hey it's that cute guy from Star All- WHAT IS THAT!?"
Your reaction to literally every Kirby villain except Dedede.
@@ToxicPea lol, and meta night
@@captaintoad5539 yeah that too....and whispy woods.
@@ToxicPea I think you forgot about DL3 Dedede
Lol I'm a big kirby guy and sakurai adapted his normal form not his creepier soul form only available as a secret boss in super star ultra. Even sakurai said he wanted to make marx scarier in the sephiroth showcase he probably meant including his soul form and his horrible death scream.
Do wanna add this as a note for Star Allies. In the new mode Heroes In Another Dimension if you get the good ending Marx *does* backstab you during the credits game and you have to beat his ass there.
It's more of a minigame thing with a small time limit but it plays up the whole "he's only helping you in star allies because he thinks there's a even bigger threat out there" narrative. Also in regards to Marx's forms it's kind of implied that he's *always* had the wings and capabilities seen so him flipping between the two isn't that unfounded. Heck, the smash bros spirit that Sakurai himself made calls the winged version his "true form".
But Sakrai not in control of Kirby since he left HAL, so all his statements about Kirby characters are now fanfic.
@@dbomb8825
He literally created Marx. It's his character. I think he gets to say what is and isn't canon on that, and I doubt Nintendo as a whole just lets him mislabel things in smash in the first place :v.
Trust me, you're talking to the biggest Kirby nut out there.
To my knowledge, Super Star Ultra also calls his winged design his "true form. "
It's more like a play fighting than actual backstabbing. And that's nice because Marx is the one just do whatever he want
@@mrfandangojimmies7117 nah man, that's Antdude
It’s almost like a sped up version of meeting him in Milky Way Wishes for people who don’t know who he is too. They’ll see him and wonder why they have to fight something so cute and then come face to face with his horrifying powered up form that, with it’s presentation, reveals how insane he is. I absolutely love it.
I ended up fighting Marx at the very start of my experience with Smash Ultimate, as I went straight to Kirby’s Classic Mode to refresh myself on the gameplay and ended up fighting this guy by complete accident.
I almost wish that I had been able to fight Marx in World of Light blind, as this was one of my favorite fights from the game.
I honestly really like that they paid attention to a lot of the smaller details from his fight in Super Star, such as the bizarre face he makes in the split second before firing his massive laser.
I still find it amazing that they somehow managed to make Marx even creepier than in his home game by virtue of his bizarre new moves, especially the ones involving his eyes.
They did do a good job with incorporating all sorts of nods to his boss moveset in Star Allies as well, though.
The Brawl remix of the Marx theme is also as excellent as always.
They could have made a new remix that keeps the percussion. I like the brawl version, but it's just not the same without the constant thumping of drums in the background
Isn't "don't judge a book by it's cover" a central theme of Kirby? Kirby is cute but super powerful. King Dedede is the bad guy but kind of cute himself. Meta Knight is sharp and scary but inside he's cute and squishy. Hmmm. Maybe it's less "don't judge a book by it's cover" and more "everything in this world is cute".
I think that’s definitely a large part of the design. If I recall correctly, Kirby got his name because it was a fun way to contrast a cute character with a formerly butch sounding name. More than meets the eye absolutely plays in here, just without the potential of a Transformers lawsuit.
Thanks for checking this one out, Obi!
“Everything In this world is cute” So you’re saying that beings like Dark Matter, Zero, and Void Termina are cute? Ehhhhh...
@@mariobroultimate1808 Absolutely! They're adorable.
Yeah, cause you see Miracle Matter and 02 with music and say, "Wow! They are so cute! I wanna cuddle them and wake up with a multiple-red eyed Icosahedron and a giant bleeding eye with a thorny stem everyday"
@@mariobroultimate1808 when they’re not bleeding all over the place yeah kinda...
While I do like how Kirby keeps itself fresh with new antagonists each game, I certainly wouldn't complain if we got a full-length title with Marx (or Zero) as a returning main villain.
Granted, if you've read the paranoid ramblings for certain fans, you could argue they're all connected in some way. Amusingly enough, I actually can't think of a link between Marx and Zero, but both connect in some way to most of the other bosses. Drawcia is the most confusing of all of them and Nightmare's connection is pretty flimsy, but every other one I can think of (other than Gryl) connect to 1 of those 2.
If you've haven't played Kirby Star Allies, then spoilers...
Yeah all the bosses are connected to Kirby, or should I say Void, or should I say Zero 0. Oh, and dharkon is Kirby.
I would love to see Daroach again
Im down as long as the story is fresh and not a rehash. I just loved how they made Nova return in planet robobot but made him the main bad and gave him a new story unrelated to milky way wishes. I love how kirby not only brings back characters but does new things with them as well to expand the lore.
I hope no one considers this title and thumbnail a spoiler for Ultimate
On a side note: I love that the Ganon fight retains his tail weakness from OoT, and Dracula fight with his head. Makes them feel true to the fights they’re based on.
What I love best about Ganon was how Nintendo seemed to acknowledged just how bad Dark Beast Ganon from Breath of the Wild was with that whole laser thing. It's WAYYYYY more threatening now that it's on a 2D plane, but is still his easiest attack to dodge and punish.
Not to mention the Pitfall and Deku Seeds in Rathalos' fight to simulate 2 items used for hunting from Monster Hunter.
Unless you are playing as a character with a bad jump and it’s hard to get behind him lmao.
Ahh Ah animates Air dodge is insanely helpful
Nicktendo 1
Yeah, it works pretty good, especially for slow characters. It can still get kind of annoying, though, lmao.
Speaking of directional air dodges, I’m so glad they are back.
Okay so props on the video subject by default. Marx was the first final boss I ever faced, so my nostalgia for him is abnormally high. And thank you for also going into how he plays with a theming expectation instead of just "IT'S HIM BUT MORE ALSO SMASH IS LIKE A KIRBY GAME DID YOU KNOW". Really appreciate that.
What I love about Marx's later two inclusions isn't necessarily redemption, but that he shows himself as a "friend". Perhaps a slightly maniacal one, but he ultimately does share some level and bond with Kirby in some fashion, even if just implied. I like the Smash Bros ending creating a sort of neutral tone with Marx, as you pointed out, and feel it furthers the theming presented in Star Allies. It's also one of the few times I think Sakurai got theming right for a Kirby game post-Super Star - Sakurai's great, but damn does he not represent Kirby post-1995 in Smash at all. Marx is obviously on the line with that, but I feel the influence of the later, darker Kirby installments in that fight, and that means a lot.
Outta curiousity, you got a favorite Kirby end boss? Bias makes me go with this guy, but escalation-wise I LOVE Star Dream from Robobot.
I prefer Star Dream Soul OS, but True Void Termina is a very close second. Only thing holding him back is the Angel phase Master Crown being surprisingly easy, and the fact that Astral Birth Void becomes a bit repetitive, despite the various ways it can use it's three attacks. Change those two things, and True Void Termina trumps Star Dream Soul OS for me.
I like Galacta Knight. I just enjoy the story behind him. (Does he count?)
Bruh I can talk about the lack of modern Kirby content in Smash for longer than the amount of time it’s been since Air Ride. Check my reply on the comment asking about Marx Soul’s scream.
Favorite Kirby final boss? I honestly don’t think I have one, but Queen Sectonia, Star Dream, and Void Termina would probably be the top contenders.
Star dream is nova confirmed
There's one thing you kind of missed. Marx having more gory looking attacks makes him fit in with some of the other Kirby bosses. Like Zero and whatnot. I mean.... I know people keep saying Marx is super creepy. But honestly, he was more goofy to me than creepy. (Not counting the Soul version. THAT one was a bit creepy.)
But, when your first Kirby final boss was Zero.... Yeah, he's pretty mild by comparison. Ultimate, however, puts him more on that level, thanks to having veins burst from where his wings were, his eyeballs tearing from his eye sockets to be used as an attack, and the weird compound eyes attack.... Yeah, he's quite a bit more disturbing now. In a good way though. It ties into just how psychotic he is.
Played Dreamland 3 on the final hours of 2018 through 2019 and it's a great boss from a great game, I wasn't at all surprised with scene since *everyone* talks about that boss fight for years, but I really give kudos for how such a simple design for him and Dark Matter gives then the evilest aura of all Kirby villains, in my opinion.
When my brother and I suddenly had to fight Marx as little children we were pretty damn scared man. I might have a bit of trauma, I got extremely stressed when this dude showed up in Smash lol
Sakurai admits that he actually wanted Marx's appearance and moveset to be even creepier and more gory, but had to tone him down so he'd still be appropriate for an E10+ game.
i honestly think Smash Ultimate Marx and Star Allies Marx are like two sides of a coin.
I like to see the Star Allies Marx as his normal form, where he looks cute and innocent, whilest in smash ultimate, it represents the power hungry (quite literally) demonic Marx.
I think that maybe, if it wasnt because of the limitations of the era, the campaing of milky way wishes could have a playable Marx or have Marx help you in some kind of way, showing that he actually has strong powers, but maybe toned down, since in star allies his moveset is kinda designed to be op.
I love the star allies Marx because it looks like a representation of what could have been a more deep role of Marx on the whole campaign of Milky Way Wishes, that would totally make a greater bound with kirby and the player, just like Magolor did in Return to Dreamland. Plus, i can totally see Marx as a playable fighter in smash because of that, again, with really toned down attacks, and even that would be awesome, because it could be interpreted as like Marx always had those powers, the nova just maked it stronger.
Daryan Skye Now I really want Marx in smash. I already wanted another Kirby rep, but I couldn’t think of a good one. Hadn’t even thought of Marx before this. He’d be great
I don’t know if a character that is already be a boss can make it into smash.
@@Rapphire20XX Well, Chrom can be both a mii and part of a final smash paralel to being a playable character.
Also, Ganondorf is seeing on a cutscene transforming to Ganon, same with Giga Bowser, but i dont think Marx is going to be a DLC character. Im totally convinced that Nintendo will go all on into making all the new DLCs third party characters, just like smash 4 (with the exception of Corrin)
marx being a character might still be possible, since Ganondorf and Bowser have bosses too (Ganon and Giga Bowser)
Daryan Skye I’d still be fine with all 3rd party characters, but I’m still hopeful for this crazy little jester.
As a gigantic Kirby geek, I was half hoping we’d get some attacks from Marx Soul in there too. The attack where he splits in half and transforms into two fireballs or when he causes paintballs to rain from the sky would work especially well in Smash Bros, I believe.
Great content as usual, Skip!
Nothing from Super Star Ultra or later will ever make it into Smash.
Sakurai refuses to acknowledge any Kirby games made after his departure from HAL (he quit after Air Ride’s release).
In fact, that’s the precise reason that Dedede’s Final Smash in Smash 4 was Dedede Burst instead of Smash Ultimate’s Masked Dedede attack (Dede-Rush). It’s also the real reason that Bandana Waddle Dee will never be a playable fighter.
Sakurai was petty enough to deny Masked Dedede’s existence, even though Super Star Ultra had been out for 6 years by Smash 4’s release.
It’s especially amusing, since Kirby games have done nothing but improve since other creators have taken over.
Brendan Hurley
Honestly I’ve been thinking about this a lot. It’s... kind of pathetic, really. Which sucks, because I have mad respect for the guy. If someone played Smash without knowing what Kirby was, they’d really only know about Super Star and Dreamland.
I don’t think he’s petty, I just think it’s easier for him to include stuff he recognizes.
Besides, he has included a lot more modern songs than Sm4sh got. And I don’t think he hates HAL. He left on his own terms because he wanted to make something new, nothing more.
Smash acknowledges things from Kirby games Sakurai wasn't involved in all the time. Adoleine, the 3 mage sisters, Halcandria, Kirby's giant sword, Magolor, Revenge of the King, Galacta Knight, Dark Meta Knight, C.R.O.W.N.E.D., Zero ²'s theme, Kirby's robobot, Heart of Steel, some other themes from 3D Kirby games, Amazing Mirror's forest theme, & probably some stuff I'm forgetting.
Plus Classic Mode's bonus stage is extremely similar to Return to Dreamland's rifts. I hate Sakurai a ton but I'm actually surprised how much he acknowledges from Kirby games he didn't work on.
D YellowMadness Theres nothing related to adeleine in smash, and just because they included some music tracks and added some holes to a mask doesn’t mean modern kirby gets much representation. All the stages are from dreamland or superstar, we gets tons of green greens and gourmet race remixes but no modern remixes. Almost no dreamland 2/3 representation at ALL, bandana dee still not being in the game, and barely any references to games he didn’t work on in general.
2:44 spirit, heh. Get it.
What do you mean
When I saw him at the end of Kirby's Classic Mode I was like "WHAAAT?!" It was so awesome to fight him again and in Smash of all games! I'm glad I finished it before you made this video, otherwise, the surprise might have been spoiled for me, haha.
marx also appears as a boss in star allies during the credits of Heroes In Another Dimension (if you get the true ending.)
Or... Y'now. Smash is a Kirby game after all. That's also why Marx fits perfectly here.
Great video as always. I like that you tried to address those new attacks as well as the model and animations and such, and your whole point of "don't trust appearances" is one I feel couldn't be any more fitting to the Kirby series.
One more thing I'd like to add, however, is that Marx's three new attacks feel a little like distortions of the older ones. His eye-lasers are obviously a variant of his mouth laser that is dodged in a different way - the mouth laser required you to stay in one 'sweet spot' while the eye lasers require you to keep moving with them in order to stay safe. The screen-filling branches are a play on his plant attack where he plants seeds in random locations and thorny plants grow out of them. Again, this attack is completely turned on its head as the pattern in which the branches grow is always predetermined here - it's just a matter of making it to the safe space in time. The bouncing black eyeballs are a little more difficult to figure out, but my guess is that it's the cutter attack distorted in the same way as the other two. While the cutters were launched all at once in a predetermined manner, the bouncing eyeballs are fired off one at a time and bounce unpredictably around the arena, as well as lingering around for longer. This requires the player to keep thinking on their feet to avoid them, as opposed to the cutters where they had to predict where the cutters would fly in relation to Marx's position. All in all, I think these new attacks are great and add to the whole feeling of insanity, as they look similar to other attacks (the bouncing eyeballs less so) but actually work in the complete opposite fashion, messing with the player just that little bit more.
Sorry this comment was so long - I didn't mean to write a huge essay this time - but there's one more thing I'd like to ask. With Giga Bowser becoming a boss once more, how well do you think they handled his return? I can guess what they might have been going for - the format of the Melee battle is combined with the 'every boss uses stamina' mentality of later installments and the non-flinching characteristic added to Giga Bowser when he became a Final Smash in Brawl and the Wii U/3DS game. If that's the case, how well do you think they captured the character of Giga Bowser throughout the series? Or do you think they were trying to make something different altogether? I'd like to hear your thoughts on this.
#MarxBestUltimateBossGang
Also you can talk about how dead normal marx looks *Specially* compared to star allies?
SamG545
That’s a good thing.
@@peppinoandweskerfriendsfor3450 How Dare You
@@peppinoandweskerfriendsfor3450 Unless It Makes Him A Better Boss
Someone fixed that
I love this boss fight, but I wish a different boss was chosen. Sakurai only likes to reference the four Kirby games he directed: Dream Land, Adventure, Super Star, and Air Ride. I would have loved a more modern Kirby boss like Magolor or Sectonia.
Or maybe Dark Matter. That would have been cool too.
Yo, imagine fighting the Three Mage-Sisters, or even Hyness
Or Void Termina
Galacta Knight is probably iconic enough to get a boss fight. Yeah I know he’s a skin for Meta Knight, but Kirby has a Meta Knight skin, sooo...
They’re all spirits
"they float. they all float. and when you're down here with me, fat boy, you'll float too" - Marx
You forgot the most important fact, Marx is the son of Kekfa.
Maria Paz G. Lesme, Marx is the son of Daddy Sakurai
@@LanVu-ur2xi The son of Kekfa.
@@mariapazgonzalezlesme And Daddy Sakurai is the father of Kekfa...
Taboo is son of marx
sakurai; kefka; marx; tabuu.
I like that opening line.
I like it a lot.
I love his entrance animation, you start the fight facing right expecting the boss to come. Then this small fella appears behind you menacingly and transforms. It is such a great scene.
When I first went down the Kirby path in Classic, I had no idea who Marx was or that he even existed.
Yeah... That was fun...
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its because marx wasnt that hungry in kirby star allies
Yes communism = no food
No communism = yes food
Marx had to give up his ideology in order to be fed, and therefore not a psychopath.
Better? I think you mean _creepier_
*flashbacks to the eyelaser and homing eye balls*
In a future update they should make a Marx's soul fight for higher difficulty
vs. Zero
As a longtime Kirby fan, this battle made me so goddamn happy. From the bombasticly over the top intro and defeat animations, to the faithful recreations of all his old attacks, and the wrenches thrown in known as his new attacks, which REALLY caught me off guard, but left me smiling the first time. And they finally got to use the Brawl Marx remix in something. It made me so incredibly happy to see a Kirby boss this faithfully recreated. Besides the final boss of WoL, this is by far my favorite fight in the franchise, it's just so well done.
And again, great video analyzing the topic. I was initially thinking of making a video in the same vain but you beat me to the punch and even better than I could've managed.
You always quench my thirst of Kirby content
Excellent video as always. I think the reason why Marx's recreated boss is more similar to the other recreated bossed was because Sakurai worked on Kirby Super Star before Smash (plus, the Kirby games that has the Super Star game play style like Return to Dreamland, Triple Deluxe, Planet Robobot, and Star Allies pretty much play very similarly to Smash but with one attack button instead of 2) though Dracula was also pretty spot on to his original boss but that boss honestly seemed very easy to recreate in a 2D playing field, same creator or not. Now I would joke that Smash is secretly Kirby Spin off fighting staring Nintendo (and gaming all stars) but I am sure a lot of people did so already. Also, when it comes to Marx's Star Allies appearance, I always seen it as a non canon playable character that was added for fun but I could be wrong.
I'd say that the Marx boss in Star Allies' ultimate credits is more faithful than Ultimate.
Aleksi Taunimaa oh yea, that happened. Well, that was a one for one remake were he dose the same exact moves so yea, your right. The only move the smash version doesn't do that the original boss dose is that one move where he shoots those spear things but the smash version dose spice things up by adding in 2 new moves with the freaky eye balls and arm roots. I am pretty upset that Marx was not in the arena in Star Allies even though you fight him in the credits
"While you were sucking up everything like a fat boy at a golden corral, I gathered all the star power in the universe and became G O D."
Another fantastic video! And featuring one of the creepiest video game bosses of all time, too! Keep up the great work!
can you do a video on how the Kirby final bosses keep getting better, and better?
(gameplay and lore wise)
Joshua Giboney
Gameplay would probably be better, I’m pretty sure that in terms of lore things can kind of intense, for a Kirby game.
You're killing it, mate! Love this!
Marx was a fun suprise and the only boss I didn’t know about before the game, every other boss had been annnounced
When I first ran into him in World of Light, I was instantly hyped. Marx was one of my most favorite bosses/villains as a kid. And unlike what was common to think at the time, I didn't see him as "oh look he's a backstabber that became the devil", but as an awkward friend who felt left behind by Kirby, as Kirby became more loved by everyone else. I honestly empathized with the guy, since that's how I was with my friends (except, you know, I didn't make a wish on a Shenron-o-clock).
So having that fight in World of Light was such a highlight for me, just ranked below the final-final fight (because that was seriously hype too).
I still have my reservations about Ultimate not being so Ultimate (mostly from being told nearly everything about it before it released), but this fight and the final final fight... And ring dong dang... Made me shut my mouth and just enjoy the darn game.
(5:36) Bruh....Kirby Star Allies Wave 1 DLC. All you have to do to redeem Marx is give him food. JUST GIVE HIM FOOD AND HE'S REDEEMED. I love his recreation in both Smash and Kirby Star Allies. Do a video on Void. He's a....rather interesting final boss if you pay attention to all the details spread throughout Kirby's games.
@ThatGreenOne dunno. I think it just pulled a Dark Matter on Marx, considering how purple flames can be seen entering and exiting Marx at the start and end of the boss fight.
My response to realizing he's in the game as a boss (Inkling route was the first time I encountered him) "Oh god a Kirby final boss what screen spam nonsense am I going to have to face here?"
Very true
Filling the screen with attacks has become a common tactic of Kirby’s final bosses in recent years.
The true secret final boss (yes, the TRUE secret final boss; the distinction is necessary) in Star Allies puts almost every previous final boss in the series to shame with its absurdly erratic attack patterns and ridiculous levels of projectile spam. And this is in what is generally considered one of the easiest Kirby games in the entire series.
@@cyrushalberd624 mmmmm...
3 months of trying to beat *_FUCKING TRUE ARENA IN ROBOBOT_* compared to my only 6 failures at Void Termina would beg to differ.
Captain Falcon
Oh goodness, I completely forgot how asinine Star Dream Soul OS was!
Three phases of a behind-the-back shooter followed by an entirely new on-foot battle. I forgot how rough it was just to reach the final phase with a decent amount of health, let alone win. Especially considering stuff like the desperation attack at the end that’s somewhat likely to tank your first run, among other things.
I suppose I was just looking at it in terms of strictly the final phase of the fight when I said “true final boss”. That was clearly a mistake.
At least in the case of Soul Melter EX Void Termina, Phase 2 is horrifically easy even on the highest settings of the Ultimate Choice. Star Dream Soul OS doesn’t even have that.
I’d have to compare these two more directly to see which one seems more difficult for myself, but Star Dream Soul OS is almost definitely on par with Soul Melter EX Void Termina in difficulty if not more difficult.
@@cyrushalberd624 It doesn't help that HAL wasn't wasn't even remotely as forgiving with healing items in Robobot.
This is beatiful.
But there's one thing that you could have forgotten, just as a fact - original Japanese name of Marx was Mark, on Japanese Mark is Maku, so it kinda makes a pun, since aku means evil in Japanese. It's not me who found that out, i don't remember the person who found that out first, sadly.
Oh that’s a neat fact! Thanks for pointing this out, Wheatley
@@skipthetutorial
You're welcome!
Man, I didn't recognize any of the boss silhouettes when it came to fighting them (except Dracula since you literally fought your way through his castle), but when it came to fighting Marx, I was beyond excited! My favorite video game boss, and I got the chance to fight it for the 3rd time (Marx to Marx Soul to Ultimate Marx). It made my day, as it was a boss I really wanted, but figured that it would be a long shot. It just didn't seem possible to me. NOPE. WE GOT EM!!!
I think that Kirby star allies really plays up the “ silent evil” feel he had in his first appearances. The only time ultimate shows that is the first few seconds before the fight. Also the “it does not make sense that he is Kirby’s friend,” “argument” (for a lack of other words) actually makes sense because Kirby trusts literally everybody.
I love the entrance for his boss fight. Since I only knew what Marx looked like and that he was a very powerful and insane villain of Kirby’s I was legitimately worried when I saw him behind me and his fight had me on edge the entire time.
I love how Marx's motivation in Star Allies is just "I still hate you, but these guys won't leave anything left for me to rule, so... I guess I'll help out."
When Ultimate came out, I didn’t get it until Christmas, and since I hate getting spoiled, I took it upon myself to dodge all Smash spoilers until I got Ultimate. Now, my friend knows that Marx is my favorite Kirby villain and one of my all time favorite villains ever, so she kept telling me that there is a boss that will break me. She was also aware of how much I really love Splatoon, and since Marx is the boss of Inkling’s Classic Mode, she kept saying to play Inkling’s Classic Mode once I got the game. So, once I got Ultimate on Christmas Day, and saw Marx, I screamed. The combination of seeing Marx back, in Smash Bros, all the while the Calamari Inkantation, my favorite video game track ever, playing as the theme, I melted. Seeing Marx back and recreated while hearing my favorite video game track at the same still puts me beyond words.
There's one thing wrong with Ultimate's Marx: there's no Marx scream.
Lol I never played a single Kirby game. So when I saw him in classic mode, I WAS SHOOKETH. Nice to see the background on the lil psycho
Marx is beam kirby without arms
You mean the Mirrorability
erhem 3 differences 1 Marx is purple not pink 2 [im sorry to myself and Marx fans] his feet look like loaves of bread while kirbys feet look like beans 3 MARX IS INSANE AND A SOMEWHAT DEMON
But with wings. And cactuses. And arrows. And cutter projectiles. And i almost forgot about the body splitting. Never forget about the body splitting.
I love the Theory on how it can be said that Marx was possessed. When I first fought Marx in WoL not only did I go crazy over my favorite Kirby villain being in the game but also how after you beat him purple demonic like flames leave his body. It made me think the Darkhon(sorry if spelled wrong) possessed him to do his bidding like similarly to Galleem possessing Giga Bowser in WoL. Really makes you think there is truly a demon inside Marx and I believe the next Kirby game that gives him a big role or return of him will emphasize on it to help us have a better vision on how Marx sees things and what he deals with.
This is such a good video. What happened, man?
Marx in Star Allies _could_ be the case of helping _just_ to get the bigger threat out of the way, then go back to being evil.
But there's also the possibility he isn't actually there, but a clone conceived by Kirby via the Dream Palace, and whoever Kirby summons is a friend.
This is a really good video!
Also today's my birthday lol
Happy birthday, S23! I hope you enjoy being one year older 👍
Skip the Tutorial thank you! I'm seeing Wreck it Ralph 2 today as well.
Amongst all the Kirby games I've played, Marx stands out as one of my favorite bosses ever. Having him as a boss in Smash Ultimate, and still feeling like the same as back in Super Star Deluxe makes me sooo happy!
hmmmm i wonder why they made him so similar like in the KIRBY games *cough Sakurai cough*
In Star Allies, he’s being less creepy because he’s pretty much forcing himself to be nice in order to get more food. You can see him almost snap in his waiting animation, and at the end of the DLC mode, he goes back to his evil ways and attacks you in the credits.
Imagine if they kept that war-piercing scream whenever you beat Marx. Sakurai could have easily traumatized a new generation of gamers all over again.
I was so happy when I saw Marx’s silhouette once I reached him in WoL. Seriously man Marx is without a doubt one of the best final bosses I’ve ever faced and Marx Soul was absolutely amazing. My favorite parts of any Kirby game are the final bosses and the surprisingly deep lore that the final bosses have.
The boss is amazing, but with that small Marx hanging around doing nothing, wish he could also be playable, similar to Giga Bowser and Ganon are to Bowser and Ganondorf
This thumbnail brought me to tears, it’s beautiful.
Just firstly, at the beginning you mentioned "Sakurai"
While I am all for dev representation I would just like to mention how Smash is the only game where you'd actually represent a dev within a video and I'd like to ask for you to upgrade your dev knowledge beyond the obvious devs that literally everyone knows.
But otherwise, nice video
I liked the boss a lot althought it was a bit overdoing it and the animations honestly looked a bit like garbadge by not redesigning the sprite and probably just literally ripping the sprite into a 3D model.
But thats also my bias of being annoyed at overrepresentation of the Sakurai Kirby games... or rather just super star
Sure, I agree that all devs need more credit, and consideration when it's given to newer folks [i.e. Kenta Motokura credited as the designer instead of Miyamoto]
However, Sakurai has historically been credited for Marx, and as far as a return to the game series where he is such a huge part of it, I do think a credit to him is fair here.
Thanks for checking this one out, Maurice
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Of curse a credit to Sakurai is definetly fair here (Especially as Sakurai games still do have some pretty great boss battles), it just gave me some kinda "opening" to mention how most gamedevs are undercredited which I also kinda noticed in your videos, unlike in case of Sakurai who is so overcredited compared to everyone else that people even notice a bit how overcredited he is.
But anyways, nice video
Marx has to be my favorite Kirby character, and seeing him as a boss, although I would have wanted him to be playable, was a great surprise.
Can you create a video about the other ssbu bosses? Giga Bowser and Ganon I would prefer
i was thinking galleom, seeing as he references a prior smash bros game
Marx is a great character in the Kirby series! I find him really awesome he is different from a lot of other bosses in the Kirby series we need more Kirby games with marx
See? Marx is in smash, now you can stop suggesting him
I'm glad your channel is doing well, good job man
I don’t think Marx from smash is as good as you say he is, he is missing the lightning arrow attack, not to mention the entirety of Marx Soul. I also don’t like Marx’s model, the color is too pale for Marx, and maybe this is just because of the “Fixing Marx’s Render” video, but Marx’s model is shaped too ovally, and his movement is a bit too stiff overall, I do enjoy the new attacks though, as well as him being more creepy now. I’m glad he’s here, just think they disserviced him, I guess that the electric arrows would go on too long for so characters to avoid damage, and we all know Sakurai dislikes anything he didn’t create relating to Kirby, that includes Marx Soul. Also I noticed that the “evil” leaving Marx’s body looks exactly like how king Dedede and Meta Knight look when they become un-possessed(?) by the dark Jamba hearts in Star allies, so maybe this Marx fight is an unofficial, non canon prequel to Marx becoming a dream friend?
Wow, that’s long. He was my first final boss after all, guess I’m kind of defensive of him.
I always assumed the light that leaves Marx's body at the end of the fight is just him losing his powers. In Super Star he got the power by asking Nova so maybe one of the two deities of Ultimate gave him power.
Though him being posessed would also work in this story.
Before you ask, Marx is too big for Smash 6
Ridly was to big for Smash but...
I like to think that after being beated multiple times, Marx toned himself down a bit for Allies.
Marx is WAY cooler as a boss than he could ever be as a fighter. I was blown away to see him popup at the end of Kirby's classic mode.
so many Kirby boss videos lol
great video tho 👍🏻
I feel like they both represent well. If Marx truly is possessed I would expect that when he's not possessed as an ally he would be a lot more cute and cuddly. Although I will admit I enjoy ultimate's version more, I cant help but feel that kirby would forgive marx and that they may have went on adventures together.
An interesting tidbit is that ultimate uses the original marx design rather than his soul form from the true arena. Ultimate marx is super fun for sure but even I like to go back to the soul form battle every once in a while. His soul fight is also creepier than ultimate in my opinion.
I never played superstar or superstar ultra, but marx always looked like a good boss fight, and finding out he was the same in smash ultimate at the start but the finding out he actually had a few new moves was a really cool experience.
I never liked his music though. I still don't think it's too outstanding, but it's better than it's original version.
man, your output is huge!
since completing super star and seeing more marx in newer games, he has quickly become one of my fav nintendo characters .
You know who Marx reminds me of? METAMORPHISIS
I think if you were to do marx proper as a dream friend, in his regular form he'd play just like he does, but in his true form his attacks would damage all of the other players.
Really enjoyed the video, super interesting insight that most wouldn't consider! I think people don't think much thought goes into adapting bosses (possibly because they don't expect much), but I'm glad to see someone's giving them a more thorough analysis!
One small thing, might want to up the volume on the music a tad, it seems really low compared to your other audio, and it sometimes sounds like there's no music at all. Other than that, nicely done!
I’ll play with that in future uploads - thanks for the feedback, TMP!
Good to hear from you
@@skipthetutorial You're welcome! Keep doing what you're doing!😊
That Marx boss fight in Kirby Star Allies is pretty awesome though
Thank you thank you I was trying to remember were I saw that little freak from
I love this video and I love Marx too.
Don't ask people to subscribe before the videos barely even started
So glad they added unique bosses for this
Some people thought Marx was more deserving to be a character, but I am still very much okay with him being this amazing boss.
I completely agree with you, Marx is a blast to play as in SA, but his Ultimate boss fight is absolutely incredible, the only thing I don't like though is his intro. I personally found his 1st phase more unnerving than his 2nd form, whereas, in Super Star, he's not outright malicious, but even that's just a small gripe with a near perfect fight!
Anyone love how when you face Marx in Inkling's classic mode it plays The Calamari Inkantaion
0:44
Camera: Where he be?
Marx: I was here the whole time...
Was hoping this would be a breakdown of the actual battle. His attacks, exploits, etc.
Love your videos
Boss battle breakdown for Bandana dee, oh man was that fight tough
Marx was my number one pick for a character before ultimate came out (he still is, but I now seriously doubt he will be one). But I gotta say I was nothing but happy the first time I saw him after finishing kirby's classic mode.
I've heard some theories that the creepy compound-eyes thing might be a reference to Miracle Matter (the penultimate boss of Kirby 64).
My favorite Kirby villain and favorite Dream Friend. And now my favorite Smash boss. :)
You know, when you were talking about Marx in Star Allies. I was honestly surprised you didn't mention his appearance as a boss during the credits of Heroes In Another Dimension. Granted, it is pretty much an exact recreation of his original fight without anything added except he doesn't have the atmospheric background and they simply used a bigger version of his cutesy playable model. I still thought it was at least worth to touch upon. I guess it would be a spoiler to some, but at this point most of those who care enough to finish the new mode have already done so.
HAL: Yo Sakurai we've recreated Marx-
Sakurai: You what
HAL: We've recreated Marx so he's-
Sakurai: You remade Marx without me?
HAL: Well, you aren't exactly working at HAL anymore-
Sakurai: *You will regret that*
Marx sort of reminds me of the Asriel Dreemur fight, starting as a cute little goat and forming to a demonic demi god
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Hey, that is actually kind of similar...
I think that Omega Flowey is a better comparison, though, since it’s “creepier.”
@@peppinoandweskerfriendsfor3450 Oh yeah, I hadn't thought of that :)