Can smurfs actually lose?!?!
ฝัง
- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 ก.ค. 2024
- Patreon: / bsjgaming
Discord: / discord
Twitch: / bananaslamjamma
Twitter: / bananaslamjamma
Instagram: / bsjgaming
Use code BSJ for 5% off Team Liquid Apparel: store.teamliquid.com/
Liquid plus: tl.gg/bsjplus
0:00 Intro
1:25 Gameplay
33:13 Summary
Edited, Thumb, and Channel Management by shaniproductions.net/
#BSJ #Dota2 #BananaSlamJamma - เกม
"The games getting a little weird" I think translates to "I'm feeding a little I better chill 😂"
This was definitely a very very educational video.
Seeing BSJ struggle to save this game was a huge learning experience
shut up dude
I felt the same way! He really became a masterful teacher.
I mean he a pos5 taking farm and not even warding. Nice to get last kills but when you letting your team die for them. It aint worth it
@@EldritchBladesgaming he literally was warding. Hes 11k mmr, I think he knows how to play this role better than you in your 3k bracket
This is the best video of the series yet. I learnt more in this than any of the others. Very interesting approach to super-support your team to (attempt) to carry you.
plays pos5, loses, now this is accurate pos5 experience
Couldn't agree more, specially at lower brackets. I am on a massive losing streak, from 1 game away from legend to now crusader 4.
@@Delacrow_l_Chawngthu thats sad man...
its better to play pos 4 to gain mmr.
If you want to gain MMR you should play the game winning roles
pos 5 makes or breaks certain lanes. most problems are the pull timings etc.
On the enemy team:
Magnus knows the build and gameplan.
Nyx does too.
Titan does too.
Wd and Jakiro follow the script.
On the other team:
Bristle and shaman follow the script.
The rest does not know what they doing at all lol.
15:00 just shows how they take fights whenever they see some signs of possible confrontation.
Not even thinking if they are in an advantage or not. They see heros, they think "fight" and they feed.
You should have seen the post game chat of the players. WR was INSISTING that she just got fucked by poor support, and did everything right... was kinda sad to see, they were on the losing team, and denied any wrong-doing (I was Jakiro). Except that one gank where he was out of position... yeah right, that one time WR did wrong.
@@SinisterMJ Thats exactly what I imagined when he chatted "Need more ganks bottom" that's some bad player logic right there. Thinking someone has to solve your problems. Specially when you yourself should be able to deal with them while your team try to get the most out of the game. Sure sometimes ganking bottom is a good choice specially when people are getting nothing out of other lanes, this was not the case at all. Dire offlane would love to create space/drag attention and wr is not a spectre or alch and he should know what I mean with that.
@@SinisterMJ braindead animal lol
@@meffzchannel Yeah watching WR on lane use her spells completely at random and miss them over and over was painful :)
@@meffzchannel at first i always felt like i get ganked and dont receive help. after i discovered the power of wards, i started to turn getting ganked into setting up for kills and actually accelerating my farm. my mmr started to go up after that
21:19 "The enemy is kinda doing some clown shit. I feel like they're kinda meming on us right now" 🤣
I love fact that you lost and then legit talked about the mistakes honestly.I think we all can learn more from losses than wins! Awesome stuff!
What’s why smurfs only pick heroes like tinker and arc and then go mid, because their hero and lane secure their kills, farm and exp. So almost impossible for them to lose.
I mean bsj was griefing anyways, no one picks spirit breaker pos5. People either play him pos 4 or pos 3
@@animerage1805 torontotokyo, malady, puppey, etc pick him pos5 and have a high success with it.
@@animerage1805 no one in your bracket* 🤣
@@sparklingion you cant compare pro games with pubs. The pros take a lane up which is fully coordinated and a pos 5 Slark from Tundra works in pro play with the appropriate lane up and coordination. You can't do that in pubs without ending up griefing.
@@cologne4ev3r slark 5 in pub sure is a grief ..but sb as 5 , it is good when ur 1 is a range hero ..it is better than riki 5
I love it when BSJ pops up talking about smurf lobbies in the discord channel when he is about to die. It gets me every time.
Great vid, could you include the picking phase as well? I think it would be very valuable insight on what are people doing wrong.
Lesson: doesn’t matter how good you are, you can’t possibly play well enough for 4 people. The loses Smurfs seems to teach a lot more than the wins, at least for me
thats what i feel when valve force 50% on me. no matter how good i am, good rotation, ive done all the gank and carry, do all the supporting stuff, but my team just decided to die left and right, i cant be in whole 3 lane all the time, at the same time. what i can say is "give TI champion also cant carry 4 other shit" . its that simple
Literally the opposite of the lesson he’s trying to put forward. He spent the last 5 minutes explaining why he personally could’ve played better to obtain the win.
@@paterx4452 there is no lesson especially if you are in SEA server. its pure chaos. no amount of communication can help you
You are cherry picking the ONE loss in the series to conclude value forces you to have a 50% win rate? Are you delusional? This is the exact opposite of what it's showing - you can achieve a 95% win rate if you are the single best player in the game by a large enough margin
@@chossmedia U said it urself. 95%. 95% is not 100%. The point is this. You cant be good enough to compensate for everybody at every moment. Mistakes in dota are way heavier than you doing your part, its just how a team game is. Of course, you can fill yourself with hindsight and do better next time but, then again, you cant compensate 4 people fucking things up. SOmetimes, just one person doing a big enough mistake, or consistently, can be enough for the rest to really lose a victory. I'm not even speaking about griefing. So, if even a guy that's been under the top20 in europe, whose job is literally to get better at dota, can lose a game against people around 7-8k mmr below him, giving the unfortunate circumstances, why cant you or i? This is the point, not beat yourself with hindsight
I just love that BSJ didn’t flame his team after a loss and addressed how he could have improved.
His team is made up of people paying to be there...
i'm almost certain it's a private lobby since all of them have the same name on both teams "5"
If it's not ranked, it doesn't matter to win or lose
@@4rrok I was just saying I appreciate that he looks at his own mistakes and try’s to improve himself instead of always blaming others for losses
@@spencerhuggins5753 That is the point of this series, lol.
I really enjoy and learn from this series. Thanks BSJ !
Finally! It has come to pass! Thank you BSJ! Very entertaining to watch you play a game that was "getting weird." 😀
Please every once in a while, play like this, at a "disadvantage" as pos 5 and claw your way to that comeback victory! (If possible)
Maybe in these games you can allow yourself to be the "call maker" to lead the lower mmr team to victory. This way you are teaching them and teaching your viewers.
As a side note I've been in a similar game as SB and while Spilt pushing, cutting waves for backdoor protection, I saved our team from losing right away but was flamed for it. My pos 4 (coincidentally a shadow shaman) said "why are you farming waves?" Then they would take bad fights and I wouldn't charge in as they were bursted (I'm an experienced SB so I don't charge in and feed) however I was flamed for it. We also lost this game.
Lesson for me is: you can't win every game so just accept the loss and do your best within that game. I do wish ppl were better at losing and did so more gracefully.
There's my two cents. Good day!
26:50
BSJ: Is the dust gonna wear out?
SB: Indeed.
16:57 "These guys got some builds! This game is getting a little weird." 🤣
I had a very similar cases with this as pos 4 , team just don’t listen at all and they see hero they fully commit brainlessly even tho we are on disadvantage
I love bsj feeding hahaha nice video
BSJs reign of terror finally ends.
I play Bristle a lot, can't sustain the soul ring anymore due the nerf in ring of health and removal of hood (which has ring). Ring of basillus works best for me, just a side note.
Love the idea of running around with a different boot on each foot...
Hey BSJ! Great content! In case you read this: When you wondered about what to buy, I thought of gem, as that would allow you to not get suprise ganked by Nyx or ET, and also manage vision for your team.
Is that a bad idea? Is it too risky? Or too much gold for not enough effort? I would like to hear your thoughts on that, or any other commenters' as well!
I think it would've been too risky personally. There's definitely an argument for it, between ET's shadowblade and Nyx in general, especially with ET dunking so frequently as BSJ pointed out. But it's also a whopping 900 gold in a game where you're down by quite a bit, and BSJ wasn't playing in a way that allowed for good scouting or invis prevention. He was moving around the map a lot and going for a more splitpushy strategy so it wouldn't have done well to stop Nyx/ET ganks/bursts.
I think that it would've made more sense on a hero that could survive a potential gank and also roll with the team much more often. Having it on someone like Jakiro, Centaur, Ogre Magi, Treant, Tusk, etc would've made more sense and been a more reasonable counterplay to the invis.
In this particular matchup, I think it was just the better option to use sentries to ward places that they knew ET/Nyx would like to play/gank often and try to play around them, then carry dust for when they inevitably move outside of those areas. Can't sentry everywhere, but it's the more reasonable choice.
@@Rasea611 But that is the thing, he is quite good at survuvung ganks, because he can see tehm coming day or night with gem (he has better night vision), and he has good movespeed and charge to get away, and as he was doing "splitpushy" strategy, he is the one showing himself the most and gainin attention from the enemy. (Also you can save on sentries with gem) I just noticed that sometimes i have games, where gem would provide a perfect solution but i'm just too afraid to buy it...
@@tamasdukan1495 I would say buy it in the games you feel like it would be impactful. Even where it's a risky thing to do, it is often worth it for faster dewarding and preventing some nasty surprises. It's good to get a feel for when a gem is good or bad to buy through experience.
I loved this. I would like to see what happens if BSJ has to play Chen are some hero he never plays.
At 7:00 when fighting for the water rune why did you not lotus the Marci?
Somehow... I feel at peace to finally watch BSJ lose a smurf match.
2:23
What does FB mean?
Fight Boosters?
Final Battlers?
Flight & Bounce?
Nothing seems to make sense, what I see are heroes that do quite a bit of damage in team fights, but I can't correlate that to anything that fits on FB.
First blood
0:25 yeah bsj. Thats what i always think aswell
Very satisfying watching nyx solo kill bsj 😂.
Great video.
he doesn't see et much, wasn't prepare for it, this is basically how black horse team won in ti, like team spriit, no one knew them, wasn't prepared for them and they surprised everyone
Is pos5 supposed to farm this much?
I can appreciate you playing support role.
Funny
This windranger was painful to watch, holy shit.
If you're reading comments right at the start, drinking game for you: Take a dirnk whenever BSJ calls the game "weird".
This just proves that support life is hard on low mmr you try so hard to help yet some people just doesn't understand how to adjust and respond to objectives well enough. Great vid
Its like your 9k huh xd
Well, yeah you are literally restricting yourself to less farm/xp on the map. If you want to climb consistently through the lower mmr bracket and you feel like you deserve a higher rank, play a core position and meta hero that can carry your team.
I feel like 3k mmr is around the rating where you'll get less braindead teammates and you can actually carry as a pos 4/5.
Seeing videos in 360p feels so nostalgic
It's already 1080p, YT delays highres a lot, it's usual of the platform
I really don't like the charge at 30:05. If your team is trading, you should save it for a guaranteed tp cancel on their cores right? I think you could've gotten top barracks and/or more pickoffs than just nyx.
are you blind magnus cancelled his charge
@@Jaloboro that's not what I wrote
@@danielspivak3926 the charge was to cancel tp.
@@maixck but only wd was tping at the time, which is why he couldn't catch the cores.
Can you also play against a team with one player being better than others? Like 4 3k and 1 4k against your 2.5k team
We want a WD smurfing guide
Same 5 experience. Game feels weird xD
Can we get a "weird" counter going for this
Bsj god
Next time i'm feeding i'm gonna call the game getting a little weird.
I didnt understand what you could've done better other than trying to help them when they're feeding, push more lanes ? or try to force objectives ? u did them both so what you could've done better to actually win such games ?
If i was sb in this team everybody was flaming me for not dying in fights
Am I tripping or is the video 360p only
dude wait for upload to finish :D
Laughs in Nvidia Super Resolution
nah u trippin
something is wrong with youtube today, takes longer to process to HD
there is 144p as well u just didnt noticed :/
I've never Lost to a smurf because he was good. It's the trash teammates that keep feeding him that make him win. I don't know what's so hard about never dying. I only die 3 times on average if I lose and once or twice max when I win, even against smurfs (before they push high ground to end). The reason for me losing is always braindead teammates, not smurfs. (Herald II currently). Can anybody help?
How do you drag the creeps in lane
Judt hit the enemy
Either the video didn't upload properly as its only in 360p. or this is some weird youtube sided thing where they just haven't finished uploading the higher quality versions of the video so you can't view it in 1080 yet.
Your early. Low resolution is always the only quality available. You have to wait for the video to completely upload before you can select the better qualities.
@UNQ haven't had this happen in like 8 years tbh with u and I have been on uploads within minutes or seconds
@@VeryBadPlayerTV odd. I have seen it for several videos I have notifications for. I just wait a couple of hours and it has the better quality available
@@unq161 it's not upload actually, it's the own YT processing in their servers. Anyone can upload a video in few minutes but YT delays it a lot
@@VeryBadPlayerTV first TH-cam has to upload your video, and you can choose to make it public before it renders HD or it will to it automatically render after some time if you upload it. It depends on the length of the video, more frames to render, takes longer. He probably had something to do and couldn’t wait, so he just uploaded it
shadow blade first item on any core is the low mmr classic
More like a high mmr classic: th-cam.com/video/iq0mH2BYrVs/w-d-xo.html
2.5k inescapable confirmed
i need to see eye doctor
YT delays 1080p
Lesson learnt, never smurf as Pos 5.
probably would not have been very educational, but If bsj went more carry items, he could have probably won this
that's a regular smurf game tbh 😂
Who would win, Immortal Pos 1 and 2 with the rest Archons? OR Immortal pos 4,5 with the rest Archons?
Immortal pos 1 and 2.
Source: I play in a league that has matchups like these and immortal cores (mostly 2,but also 1) are highly highly valued.
duuh immortal pos 1 and 2 obv man they farm in a way u cant imagian lmao while the archon might have maximum 200 cs in 30m immortal would have 400 cs and finished farming already xD
welcome to every game of dota i play regardless of the role. begging my team to stop fighting the enemy whos up 10+ kills and shoving the side waves while they group up and die more. every. fucking. game. without. fail.
Supports can have a winning average in lower mmrs (assuming you actually are more skilled than your opponents). That being said, doing it as a core is MUCH easier.
You may have lost as a support, but maybe see how far you can go as other roles.
1. be matchmaker. 2. round up group of 10 players. 3. put best player of 10 and worst player of 10 on same team for “balance”. 4. worst player feeds decent players on other team. 5. Decent players win against team with best player. 6. Repeat until you are punished for being best player. 7. realize you have to win games without seeming too good (gpm/xpm) to move forward. The thing that makes these custom lobbies not analogous to ranked is that it takes matchmaker out of the equation.
Hey BSJ could you smurf as IO please?
For all obvious reasons.
?
Hard to carry from a 5 if no one listens to the calls being made. Rosh, defend bot, etc. Seemed like they were just going to do what they wanted to do
I mean, the "defend bot", basically the whole radiant team pinged that the TPs were on cooldown. So bad play to use TPs to get out on the map, but they couldn't get back at all.
on the off chance BSJ reads this, could you explain why you didn't go aghs? In my head it would've been an absolute game changer / you had plenty gold to go for it after the team wipe. I couldn't help but feel like aghs would've won you most of the late game fights
Not BSJ, but it would've been a huge waste. Aghs in general is a really bad item for pure stats, so you really need the effect to be justified when you buy it (or you can afford to buy it when ahead).
In this case, it wouldn't have done anything really. The enemy didn't have BKBs so the whole reason you'd buy it doesn't matter here. Going from 11 to 7 seconds charge is nice, but he was already struggling to live in a fight past the initial charge anyway (only two fights resulted in this happening).
Then there's the problem he pointed out where the enemy got off several good fights and were dunking on his team pretty well. He needed to go for more damage related items and go more splitpushy, force responses, that kind of thing. Even later on, he said he went for too many team oriented items, and Agh's is 100% something you buy for your team in this position when you're dealing with debuff immunity.
@@Rasea611 BSJ did regret that he bought too many team items and should've be more selfish this game.
You think getting Oct Core for SB could've save this game? Seems like a popular build.
Do you think some cooldown reduction on the pos5 saves this game? Why?
Oct core is popular on offlane or mid spirit breaker that buys a vanguard for lane, then disassembles into Oct core, just like every other offlaner is doing until vanguard gets patched.
@@alexanderrowan4741 yeh well changing build comes with changing position... Like to a core in the middle of the game
@@spacebarwasd9782 So do you think 25% cdr saves this game? What time would he build it? How does it help?
@@alexanderrowan4741 I thought BSJ had a video he changed position during the game and won the game not sure...
1k difference is fking crazy, im 3.5k and if i was to play against a 2.5k i can see it very clearly.
You can see why 2k supports buy Deso and SB sometimes. :D
As a support watching your cores die for being out of position and then them somehow blaming you even though you warned them is so par for the course.
One time I watched as enemy dewarded triangle as 5 and watched my 20 min afk farm Dusa walk into it seconds after it happened. Carry players don’t have brains.
Also after he died he pinged we need vision.
Is the "average mmr" including BSJ or just his team mates?
Just teammates of course
Do you think he has guts to play vs team which is at least at the same mmr as his? How would he brag about winning easily then?
@@ashemrushe litarelly uploaded a losing game
Does SB really max Q over E?
As a support, you do. Bash is too RNG without the damage/attack speed to justify it. Leveling his charge is 0.3s of stun over 0.2s of bash per level, as well as a significantly lower cooldown and more movement speed, all of which directly facilitate his position as a roamer. Q does proc bash, but that doesn't matter if the cooldown is long and in most cases, you're charging a high priority target and don't care much about slightly longer stun on 1-2 heroes that happen to be in the way.
whats with the 360qulity
1080p already, yt delays
bsj feeding = weird
you need bkb blademail heart lotus
Bara ^^
360p?? BSJ quick fix?
Laughs in Nvidia Super Resolution
In your organized smurf games probably hard. In a pub? LMAO I've seen Immortals on losing streaks in Legend, like your account gets flagged and you get the biggest animals that are on the way to Herald
Report shaman lol
I think Spirit Breaker in particular can often be a "feast or famine" hero because of his design. He has the ability to make it to most any situation happening on the map, regardless of how far away, but his opponents dictate where he can go. But unlike a Storm or Nature's Prophet, It's harder to discern when you'll make it there, and as such, how much the situation will be different by then. You have a tiny window to decide if it's worth charging, and then to decide between committing to the fight, or putting your charge on a cooldown and forfeiting your ability to help for the next 17 seconds or so. As a result, I think people are extremely likely to take fights they aren't supposed to. The stereotypical pub sb charges and initiates fights he shouldn't, but even in a higher mmr game like this one, sb can charge to help an ally and end up just feeding anyway, which most supports are less likely to do simply because they wouldn't be able to make it there on time to begin with. Watching your ally struggle as they bring an opponents health very low, is very hard to ignore when you have your charge available, but by the time you make it to the fight, more enemies may have shown up already turned the tide
Another problem is, unlike most other "global presence" heros, SB's kit is a bit lackluster once he makes it to the fight. His initial charge is his best spell, which is on cooldown once he makes it there. Compare it to a storm, natures prophet or a farmed spectre. Changes to his "W" helps, but not enough on it's own. Therefore, I always believed his kit worked better as a core, so that ONCE he makes it to the fight, he can itemize to tank, use attack speed to bash or deal damage. Otherwise, he has to only take fights where a +1 is all it takes to win, or play assassin style, both of which are very situational and unlikely against opponents with good awareness. With the buff to his str gain, I think this can be viable.
In regards to SB being relevant once he makes it to the fight, I think he can still be relevant. Assuming that both Q & E are maxed (which they often will be by 12-15 minutes), you've got a guaranteed 3.6 second stun on any target you want. Obviously this lockdown isn't as strong as someone like Shadow Shaman or Lion (very few things are), but it's significant disable if you have someone nearby that can take advantage of it.
While other heroes in a 4/5 position would contribute more than Spirit Breaker once in the fight (often having more damage or a more impactful right click augmentation), Spirit Breaker is in the fairly unique situation of being able to be in so many fights so easily. You can count on one hand the heroes that have the global map presence that Spirit Breaker has.
GUys are you understand its lobby??? him play with friends 2k players, when you play with random. its total different + you play vs other smurf. sure you can win a lot of game because you are smurf but you can lose easy at min 20 when dota system working
because you can't carry the game with a support, or it really hard
do one for 5.5k man :(
You could have used the lotus on Marci @6:56 to give her last hit on nyx and get exp before dying.
Smurfing is harder than playing in your rank😂
Why only 360p?
maybe yt is still processing the video
I live in Syria
So 360 is the highest
@@bsj8302 WTF even in Brazil which is crap poor country we have almost a gigabit fiber bro O.o
@@DiplomataIntrovertido bro my parents salaries combined is 200$ a month
And they are professors at college
Syria now is the poorest country in the world
@@bsj8302 sorry to hear that bro, I hope our countries get a economy boost, and yea I see that Syria also had a loss in pandemic, just like Brazil did, hope to be better
still in 360p
1080p already
360p cracked
1080p already
Kind says a lot about this deathball clown fiesta patch when even immortal smurfs can struggle in these games xD Now imagine how RNG they're gonna be for the players at this rank.
Ngl, I'm rly hoping for 7.33D or 7.34 w/e , to address some things... cause at 1st it was fun & all but now as the patch is mostly "figured out" it turns out it's a very simple, have the better deathball to win, one. Very limited split pushing, pretty huge hero unbalance, kills worth way too much, very hard to get any semblance of map control.
yeah smurfs can lose, their ego is as fragile as wet toilet paper so you can just grief them as pos 4
can you challenge yourself to make the rank difference even higher like 2k different , I believe in you that you can make it 😁😁😁😁
You mean like his team will only have 2k total mmr over the other team?... extremely unlikely
I’d like more quality pleeeeeeease
Already 1080p60, YT delays it normally
Anyone! 👊😎🔥
they always lose
dude 360p looks awefull plss fix
TH-cam delays 1080p60fps it's already 1080
So in conclusion, u cant win a match as supp no matter how good you are if your teammates are stupid
BSJ was stupid too this game
No, BSJ just grief with his item build. He’s trying to fully commit on adapting and playing with his teamates to try to show how to be a team player, which did the opposite , the right thing to do was just to build a close to normal item build which is something with aghs and they would easily win this.
You can if you play mostly for yourself, basically like a core. :D
@@johnstevenalejandro3034 Aghs would've been dumb, I think. They didn't have BKBs so the whole reason you buy it is wasted.
@@Rasea611 You don't buy aghs for bkb pierced, it's for the cooldown, 5 sec cd with octarine is pretty op. I'm spamming bara and never lost with it, try it, it's op no matter what position.
360p gang
LOL just pick alch 5 and carry
b
I’m praying so hard bsj gets his ass whooped.
Bsj lost to 3k looool
I thought Wind was playing bad at lane phase, than I saw Shaman playing mid game and DAM Bro, what you doing? LUL
One thing is being bad at the game, another is not listening and not learning from those who are better than you. The Second one is easy
next smurf video. can u do a game with you calling shots for your low mmr team and make them realize their potential. I kinda want to see them having a good time and actually play the game with even if they have low mechanical skills
BSJ played spirit breaker so damn poorly, skillbuild is off, his w usage is very poor, not using drums, and whip, even shadowblade, not stunning nyx bc he would get dmg..... (ofc he is not a sb player, but still)
Skill build was fine though? He went Q over E as you do in a supportive role since it scales better when you don't have the damage/attack speed to make bash worth it early.
@@Rasea611 You don't need atk speed since your charge and ult is guaranteed bash, and he lacked dmg to clear the creepwave in 1 charge bc of this.
what a waste of time