This version is much closer to the book in how things unfold. The original animate has cramped material from various other chapters and side stories etc etc hence it is fine for any one who has read the books, but from a initial first time audience view point, the original can be rather confusing.
I like that though, in the sense that I feel they committed to playing as history documentary, rather than a story based on a character. It’s a different style but I thought it was effective on its uniqueness
I'd like to see you return to this, I just finished season 2. As perhaps the only person commenting on this show on the Internet with no attachment to the original I think this remake stands on it's own fantastically.
Tbh I am not too big of a fan. I preffered the older designs because I feel like they were more realistic in terms of how space ships in the future would probably look
@@henrikhaugen1457he setting is 1500 years in the future. They severely understated the advanced tech there would be in that period. Hell, Rudolf went straight to abortions and killing people with birth defects when I’m sure in less than 100 years we can genetically eliminate most defects. The series isn’t about the sci-fi aspects but it is definitely not one of its strengths and I’m glad the new series is doing a slightly better job.
@@joeandrew8752 I mean when you write sci-fi you can't always predict how advanced something is in the future. Computers in Logh are so advanced they send messages on paper instead because hacking is so easy. So when we then look at how tech might advnace which is pretty common for sci-fi universe set within our own world, the original does do a better job. The ships got a functionalist shape, they fire straight lazers and the bridge is usually very well protected. It looks like something that would be built to be functional, built to withstand and to ease traveling in soace, and easy to mass produce. The new ships for the empire for example looks like something the Eldar from 40k would build
The reason for Reinhard being uneasy about Yang in the original is due to his encounter in the movie that was released just prior to it that served as a prequel and documented their first encounter- "My Conquest is a Sea of Stars" IIRC
The original being what it was, its first episode works brilliantly. About Reinhardt being aware of Yang, they previously had a confrontation so it's natural too. Both versions work well for what they are. I'll get to the point about how the original's beginning going through all the introductions is part of its subtle narrative but first I'd like to highlight one thing the new one does well. THE SPACE BATTLE MAP IS FINALLY THREE DIMENSIONAL. It kinda irked me in 1988 version how the maps are basically 2d with slight height for objects, while the holographic picture Lapp had of his fiance was goddamn 3d. Now, to fulfill my promise, I'll just copy paste a part from my blog post: "I don’t know about the novel but, this anime is a historical fiction; and it surprises me how no one else seems to notice something this obvious. It’s not a historical fiction in the sense that a lot of it parallels many things that has happened throughout history, but rather it’s a historical fiction depicting what happened in the future, written even further in the future. The crude dialogues, pauses in conversations, facial expressions, sudden action, they’re all presented in a manner that feels as if the characters are following a script. The script is written to be natural, and the characters play the roles very well. But it still feels like it’s being acted or it’s a drama that is being told. The narrator’s words make it even more obvious, while the 80’s & 90’s animation and color palette helps emphasizing the feeling even further. That’s why I always thought that LotGH couldn’t have been made in a more appropriate time. Now, the reason why I consider it a historical fictionalization instead of a simple description of history is because this anime shows detailed interactions among the characters and parts of their personal lives that shouldn’t be available in history. So it’d only make sense if it was a work of fiction written by someone even further in the future, who fictionalized the history to present his story. And the anime embodies this idea through and through." Will be patiently waiting for the next part of your in-depth Hyouka analysis.
Prottoy Rahman Why wouldn't the "private conversations" showcased in the show be known? There are several characters whose entire purpose it is to spread the words of others, like Dusty, Dominique and Mecklinger. Other characters that survive (spoilers) like Mittermeier, Julian and Poplan are vital in sharing these pieces of information.
@@WackaMei This is late, but...because memory doesn't work like that. Eyewitness testimony is inherently unreliable--this is why police try to get interviews with witnesses on record as quickly as possible. Even a couple days can muddy things to the point of uselessness. When you're dealing with years and decades after the fact, forget about it. @Prottoy RAhman While the story plays with it elements of historical dramatization, I don't think it's ever explicit enough to say that the base narrative is meant to be taken as a literal representation of one, other than the episodes that were actual history documentaries. I've always taken the narrator as just that, a narrator who may have been discussing the events as a documentarian, but that the scenes themselves weren't meant to be seen as that documentary. As for the "crude" dialogue, that is easily credited to it having been a fan translation prior to this current release (specifically from an English speaking perspective, and can't speak to the quality and/or style of the Japanese dialogue). I would agree, though, that the show is undoubtedly heavily informed by the aesthetic of documentaries.
I'm so glad they got rid of the nervous Reinhard, that's something they purely added in the OVA. I don't remember him knowing about El Facil at all in the books or caring about who the hero was. This attitude of confidence (not undeserving), plus borderline arrogance is partly responsible for putting him in the battle of vermilion eventually.
Hmm I think that it is largely due to there being no “My Conquest is the Sea of Stars: Die Neue These”. The movie, which acts as a pilot/prequel for the OVA, results in Reinhard learning Yang’s name and gaining respect for him. In DNT canon, apparently the first episode is also the first encounter between the two. So, in DNT, there is no reason for Reinhard to be nervous.
I think they are trying to shift away from the historical narrative of the OVA and try to frame it as a more present narrative than one being told in the past tense. Their are advantages and disadvantages to that, but I think it will produce a unique perspective on the legend that will add something of value to even people like me who've gone through the show in completion about three times now (which is a hard thing to do as you know because 110 mainline + movies + other material is nothing to scoff at). I wouldn't even say I'm completely adept at recalling all the details of the narrative because it's like studying actual history texts.
I love this new version because it not only redesigned the characters but the entire plot is the same, although with a lot of twists especially the main characters despite retaining their original personalities. I really love how Production I.G. hired Mamoru Miyano as the voice of cold, rational, and confident Count Reinhard von Lohengramm. Reinhard, in my opinion, is basically the version of Ultraman Zero who seeks the worthy opponent and counter him in a careful military television series. Coincidentally, Zero and Reinhard are both voiced by Mamoru Miyano himself.
i Love Die Neue These!!!!!! I havent seen the original but now I want to watch it and read the books too. Its written so well and the animation is absolutey beautiful. And the eng dub is actually really really good
As someone who watched entire series and came back to watch the first episode of the OVA again, I like the original first episode more and i even think it's better LoGH episode, but this one is clearly a better pilot. Original overwhelmed you with information and many POVs which I like as a fan but it doesn't work that well for someone who just started the series. To be fair, you're supposed to watch "My Conquest is the Sea of Stars" before watching OVA so I feel like the episode is much better if you do but still not as engaging as this one. Anyway, it was a really good episode and I'm hyped for more.
Really fantastic analysis - clearly a guy who knows his media direction . I wouldn't have noticed that, but now it stands out like a sore thumb how the original basically tells us what's going to happen.
I'm legitimately so excited for all the positive buzz for the new series. I hope it leads to a Lotgh revival. The only minor quibbles I have are the starship design and some of the character designs, but for all the important stuff it looks like love and care were poured into this series and I hope the quality remains high.
Grate video! And I would love to see more of your thoughts on DNT in future videos! The reason Reinhard is aware of Yang/nerves about him in the first episode of the OVA is because he does encounter him in the short story that was made into the movie "My conquest is in the Sea of Stars." *However* this short story was written well after the first novel so there is no reference to this within that novel. Reinhard's initial disregard of Yang after hearing his broadcast to the FPA forces is an almost word for word adaptation of how he responds in the original novel. In fact a lot of what people are going to object to in DNT as "changes" are actually places where the OVA deviated from the source material to which the new anime is returning.
I haven't watched the remake, so can't say anything about that, but I kind of agree with the minuses of the original OVA that you mention. And I feel like that's exactly why the original movies were so important. They sat the tone and heroes a lot better than first episode of OVA and after watching the movies it was much easier to get into the series. If the remake was able to do that in the first episode than I should probable check that out too, cause this story definitely deserves it!
In the first episode of the original OVA Reinhard knows of Yang's presence because of the movie My Conquest is the Sea of Stars, where they face each other for the first time, the reboot (probably due to lack of time ) is undercutting this previous battle
In the original novel Reinhard didn't know Yang before the battle of Astarte. Also the plot of the movie is different from original novel. They made new anime form the novel not the old series so I think they just followed the novel.
I prefer Reinhard not knowing who Yang was, as it was in the novel. Having previous connections made up by the anime really undermines the sense that Yang really came out of nowhere. Yes he briefly was a hero in El Facil but that was a minor incident in the scale of this war. People need to fully appreciate that the Battle of Astarte was the first moment when both of them stepped into the spotlight of history, and that's why the story starts from here.
@@yukie_tn why does it matter whether they learn about each other at Astarte or Tiamat? In Conquest they only capture each other’s names at the end, and they get a vague sense of each other’s strat/tactical abilities on the battlefield. Astarte still feels like the true first confrontation between them but Tiamat was like a little taste of all that comes in the ova series
It definitely felt much more focused in the remake which I appreciated.. I adore the geopolitical stuff in LOGH but the OVA definitely detracted from the battle. It always felt like an Austerlitz type situation and they captured it good.
I'm still watching the original and had no real intention of watching this because I thought it was a scene for scene remake of the original anime. I've decided to give it a chance now thanks to you.
Funimation will be doing a simudub, so here is my dreamcast...Reinhart von Lohengramm - Jonny Yong Bosch Siegfried Kircheis - Yuri Lowenthal Paul von Oberstein - Dan Woren Oskar von Reuenthal - Eric Vale Wolfgang Mittermeyer - Travis Willingham Ernest Mecklinger - Lance Henriksen Fritz Josef Bittenfeld - Brian Drummond Ernst von Eisenach - Jamieson Pryce Hildegard von Mariendorf - Michelle Ruff Annerose von Grunewald - Kate Higgins Magdalena von Westfalen - Laura Bailey Elfriede von Kohlrausch - Mary Elizabeth McGlynn Heinrich von Kummel - Terrence Stone Otto von Braunschweig - Christopher Sabat Flegel - Derek Steven Prince Ovlesser - David Lodge Maximilian von Kastrop - Lex Lang Susanna von Benemunde - Morgan Hollinghead Kaiser Friedrich IV - William Frederick Knight Yang Wen-li - Steve Kramer Julian Minci - Brad Swaile Frederica Greenhill - Stephanie Sheh Dusty Attenborough - Sonny Strait Murai - Terrence Stone Fyodor Patrichev - Lex Lang Walter von Schenkopp - Crispin Freeman Olivier Poplan - Dave Wittenburg Ivan Konev - Doug Erholtz Willibald Joachim von Merkatz - Ed Bleylock Louis Mashengo - Dean Redman Katerose von Kreutzer - Lisa Ann Beley Hortense Cazellnu - Michelle Ruff Charlotte Phyllis Cazelinu - Ariel Winter Jessica Edwards - Lisa Ann Beley Job Trunicht - Kyle Hebert Alexander Bucock - Paul St. Peter Adrian Rubinsky - Todd Hansen Dominique Saint-Pierre - Laura Bailey Nikolas Boltik - Barry Yandell Narrator - Beau Billingslea
I watched the original, then the movie version of the first 4 episodes (they clearly weren't happy with the beginning either), and finally the remake within about 2 years. Only during that third time, with the much more legible fleet movement animation, did I actually understand how the battle developed (notably the transition into the Ouroboros after Yang intervened). And they somehow managed to make Commander Fork even more dislikeable.
Hey! Thanks for video! As a big fan of the original show and almost hater of the new one, I loved how you actually analyzed it and found strenght and focus. Focus=simplicity and actually yes it's an interesting point that Reindhart (i might mispell watched in other language) didn't see Yang as an opponent. But the whole point of the original show was that he was, you know, a person. He wasn't self absorbed freak that people around him think he was. That's why he needed Oberstein. Here we have unemotional doll that makes him cliche anime genius boy. And of course I don't think original OVA was sacred or perfect. I can talk hours about how it treated its female characters, for example. Anyway, thanks for cool content!
I've watched both OVA and DNT. And from my perspective, female characters are treated worse in DNT. They practically don't say or do anything if the script doesn't make them do so, while the important events in which they participate are practically the same as in OVA. What's more, OVA gave more time to the characters during such scenes. As for character design, several of them have huge and empty eyes (Anne Rose and Evangelin (Mittermeyer's wife)) like they are lifeless or just high. I may have missed something, but I would like to know why do you think that female characters are treated badly in OVA?
I have done both, I have watched the old anime and I am reading the Novels that they are releasing in the U.S. Getting the full picture is a very interesting way to experience the story.
Mecklinger I would say is an improvement. Bittenfeld's a sidegrade, Reuenthal's just bad and poncy, Oberstein is just the short guy from AoT. Merkatz no longer looks like he's Charles Bronson straight off the set of Deathwish. Lennenkamph is no longer Stalin.
It was really a strong pilot and one that made me want to see the original OVA. Unfortunately the remake will not match the OVAs episode number so that will mean that some parts of the original will not make it. :(
what epesode in the ova original series? where reinheard and yang fought? so i can review and watch it too... i love this remake, but i didnt watch the very original
Yeah, the first two episodes of the original weren't that good and the people working on it must have realized this which explains why they redid them in the "Overture for a New War" movie. That was much better.
No need to watch the old 1988 version. For newcomer just start with the 2018 version first. Then if you are interested in the show you can check out the old version.
Okay, so I have a question as someone who wants to watch Legend of etc, I can watch the New Thesis without needing to watch any other season, ova or content before right?
I really enjoy both versions, the only 'negative' is the lack of classical music in the new one. And I was watching this with a friend and she was like "Are those two gay for one another?" And she's right soooooooooo much sexual tension there :p Both shows, classic and new are great!
Something is still lacking though... The class of the music and the way the start the plot... The classic. Furthermore the battle in the new thesis is quite a quagmire... They used old tech back then but you know what's going on it's like john wick, here in the new thesis it's like a freaking micheal bay movie transformers you a lot of crappy fast camera angle and recycled clip.
Do you think I should watch the new LOTGH without watching the original? I've wanted to watch the original for a while but its intimidating because of the crazy amount of hype it has. The animation also really bothers me, its not my style at all.
I think that you should watch the old first. The difference in visual quality is night and day between the two (not that the original is poor quality, it's very good for its time period, it's just old) and you may not be able to enjoy the original as much if you watch this first. Also, things like the opening have a lot more weight to them after getting through the 110 episode series
Few watch the original for their art and what not, it is basically the faithful and complete book to animate adaptation in Japanese animate history. The original is 95% faithful to the source material to the point of adding stuff that is good from subsequent side stories in the main plot. I can tell you about the useless time filler scenes of the original, which slows down pacing and serve little purposes (same goes for scenes in old transformers), but over all, the plot stays intact which is as rare as it gets today.
You really don't have to watch the original at all. Honestly since I read the books first, the original anime didn't bring anything new, and I didn't like the animation style either. What it did well was stay faithful to the novels and introduced this story to people who are not interested in reading or have access to the books. But then at the same time I feel the strength lies with the underlying story/characters and not necessarily with the anime medium. So far this remake looks just as fine and I feel like the dramatic moments may be even handled better, like Yang's introduction. Another thing I'd mention is that the novels have finally been translated into English, currently 1-6 are available. It probably takes less time to read than watch 110 episodes + all the movie/OVAs.
This video is great. ... HOWEVER, the comparison between episode 1 of DNT and episode 1 of the original OVAs is not fair unless you count the "episode 0" tv movie (a 1-hour prologue basically) where we're introduced to Yang And Reinhards factions. Had you acknowledged this in this video I'd have been fine with any criticism, and even agreed to some larger extents. But this is not the case when the context of the movie is omitted and you presenting episode 1 of the original OVAs as "the first episode/introduction" to several characters. Because it's not, in the original anime.
I only have two complaints: 1. Ship redesigns. The original designs were simplistic and realistic. Imperial ships had some curves for style and atmospheric operations, but still quite simplistic overall; FPA ships were blocky and looked like ship versions of T-34 tanks because their focus of mass production. All the ship components you could clearly tell what they do. The remake makes the ships a bit too shiny, and there are too many funky parts sticking out. Like 3:20, why are the engines moved to the front now? Why a combination of "red" and "blue" engines? And why the slanted ones(FPA ships don't do atmospheric flights)? They also look like the original imperial ships reversed. The imperial ships has aesthetics and all but they look more like Protoss ships now... The weapons are supposed to be particle beam based, they travel at almost the speed of light, so the original did a better job by just drawing continuous straight lines(one could argue it saved animation money). The remake is fancy and CGI is beautiful, but it loses that realistic touch, one could mistake the battle scene as star wars, mass effect, gundam, star blazers or any soft scifi that involves space battleships. 2. The new series being PG-13. The original doesn't hold back when it comes to bloodshed and it truly showcased the terror of war, and that any character is mortal and fragile. The remake...I have no idea how they're gonna do the hand-to-hand combat now. Otherwise, I agree with this video that the remake does a fine job and makes many welcome changes on storytelling. The characters look a bit weird for someone who watched the original but maybe fine for someone new to the series, but the voice acting and characterization is still on point.
IMO, DNT ships is arguably more realistic when you factored in that in the Novel these ships has insane acceleration and deceleration that they can cross light second distance in minutes and stop just as quickly. Realistically the small deceleration/directional thrusters they gave to the OVA ships cannot accomplish that without throwing suspension of disbelief out of the window for the same reason one wonder how ships in Star Wars are supposed to decelerate when they don't have reverse thrusters. Hence DNT ships now has visible, large thrusters on their ships to decelerate instead. As for the front mounted engine for FPA ships, I once thought like you too that it doesn't make sense, but then I remembered how one steer starship IRL. Simply put, it make these ships able to steer without dotting the entire length of their ship with directional thrusters and hence weaken the ship structure. It's the same idea with how you steer tracked vehicle IRL; you stop port engine while leaving the starboard one running, then you'll steer left. Stop the starboard engine while firing up your port engine and you steer right. FPA ships has the engine slanted downward also for the same exact reason; notice that the front are slanted backward while at the rear end of their ships has another engine slanted forward, firing the front engines and the ship will pitch the nose up, while firing the rear engine will pitch the nose down. It's basically give these ships a vertical movement.
Actually the only complaint towards Die Neue These I have so far is design for some character. I can't differentiate Schoenkopf/Schenkopp with Attenborough and Reuenthal's design is not my taste
That large ship design was similar to Dune's, Adding a weighty , stabilising affect against all the fast moving objects and thus suggests innovations in metals and fuels .
Disagree. It doesn't really matter how many characters get introduced in the first episode of the original for the simple reason that it then has 100+ freakishly epic episodes to tell their intertwining stories and develop them. You don't have to immediately focus on who is who for every single one of them, nor you are required to in order to understand what is going on. Sorry, but as far as I'm concerned the remake was neither needed nor wanted. The only part that the remake does arguably better (you can still lve the vintage style) is the representation of the space battles, because of the obvious advantage afforded by superior technology. The character design is IMO absolute garbage, with the modern anime style that makes everyone look the same. I cannot believe anybody can tell me with a straight face that they prefer the anonymous look of the new lifeless mugs to the unique, expressive original faces of Oberstein (good lord I love the character), Schonkopf or pretty much any other main player
The original pacing is horrible at least in the first episodes, try to introduce to many characters at ones, at least the remake have a more coherent storyline and better, way better space battles.
Analysis is ok, but throwing in a dislike on account of completely butchering the pronunciation of so many words. Astarte, 'ass-tartey' not 'estate', Reuenthal, not "Rointhall" Phezzan is 'Fez-an' not 'phase-ahn'.
The "Rointhall" part is actually more accurate. The accurate pronunciation is something like "Roienthal". The "eu" part is read "oi". It's German name, after all
This version is much closer to the book in how things unfold. The original animate has cramped material from various other chapters and side stories etc etc hence it is fine for any one who has read the books, but from a initial first time audience view point, the original can be rather confusing.
I like that though, in the sense that I feel they committed to playing as history documentary, rather than a story based on a character. It’s a different style but I thought it was effective on its uniqueness
I also read the book and agree. The original OVA is a timeless classic, but The New Thesis is much closer if an adaptation. Even Von Ruenthal.
~Leave the past behind~
*Yang sips his tea*
... T.T
...are you me? twitter.com/value_replay/status/982726392168185858
IT"S TOO MUCH DUDE.. at least if you've seen the orig
They did that sh*t on purpose
@@BigTArmada First OP of the OVA did that shit too.
I'd like to see you return to this, I just finished season 2. As perhaps the only person commenting on this show on the Internet with no attachment to the original I think this remake stands on it's own fantastically.
I haven’t watched it yet so tell me what would you give it out of 10
Definitely a 9/10
Is the dub good? I will not be watching the og
@@NoneYa831 I love the Dub, I'm fairly easy to please in general but this Dub certainly lacks what many often complain about.
Military commander is one job where being old fashioned is a massive disadvantage. This series really exemplifies that.
I love how they depict the scifi tech better. Since we have made many advancements since its original writers knowledge base
Tbh I am not too big of a fan. I preffered the older designs because I feel like they were more realistic in terms of how space ships in the future would probably look
@@henrikhaugen1457he setting is 1500 years in the future. They severely understated the advanced tech there would be in that period. Hell, Rudolf went straight to abortions and killing people with birth defects when I’m sure in less than 100 years we can genetically eliminate most defects. The series isn’t about the sci-fi aspects but it is definitely not one of its strengths and I’m glad the new series is doing a slightly better job.
@@joeandrew8752 I mean when you write sci-fi you can't always predict how advanced something is in the future. Computers in Logh are so advanced they send messages on paper instead because hacking is so easy. So when we then look at how tech might advnace which is pretty common for sci-fi universe set within our own world, the original does do a better job. The ships got a functionalist shape, they fire straight lazers and the bridge is usually very well protected. It looks like something that would be built to be functional, built to withstand and to ease traveling in soace, and easy to mass produce. The new ships for the empire for example looks like something the Eldar from 40k would build
I prefer the laser beams instead of the slow ass starwars projectiles
The reason for Reinhard being uneasy about Yang in the original is due to his encounter in the movie that was released just prior to it that served as a prequel and documented their first encounter- "My Conquest is a Sea of Stars" IIRC
The original being what it was, its first episode works brilliantly. About Reinhardt being aware of Yang, they previously had a confrontation so it's natural too. Both versions work well for what they are. I'll get to the point about how the original's beginning going through all the introductions is part of its subtle narrative but first I'd like to highlight one thing the new one does well.
THE SPACE BATTLE MAP IS FINALLY THREE DIMENSIONAL. It kinda irked me in 1988 version how the maps are basically 2d with slight height for objects, while the holographic picture Lapp had of his fiance was goddamn 3d.
Now, to fulfill my promise, I'll just copy paste a part from my blog post: "I don’t know about the novel but, this anime is a historical fiction; and it surprises me how no one else seems to notice something this obvious. It’s not a historical fiction in the sense that a lot of it parallels many things that has happened throughout history, but rather it’s a historical fiction depicting what happened in the future, written even further in the future. The crude dialogues, pauses in conversations, facial expressions, sudden action, they’re all presented in a manner that feels as if the characters are following a script. The script is written to be natural, and the characters play the roles very well. But it still feels like it’s being acted or it’s a drama that is being told.
The narrator’s words make it even more obvious, while the 80’s & 90’s animation and color palette helps emphasizing the feeling even further. That’s why I always thought that LotGH couldn’t have been made in a more appropriate time. Now, the reason why I consider it a historical fictionalization instead of a simple description of history is because this anime shows detailed interactions among the characters and parts of their personal lives that shouldn’t be available in history. So it’d only make sense if it was a work of fiction written by someone even further in the future, who fictionalized the history to present his story. And the anime embodies this idea through and through."
Will be patiently waiting for the next part of your in-depth Hyouka analysis.
Prottoy Rahman Why wouldn't the "private conversations" showcased in the show be known? There are several characters whose entire purpose it is to spread the words of others, like Dusty, Dominique and Mecklinger. Other characters that survive (spoilers) like Mittermeier, Julian and Poplan are vital in sharing these pieces of information.
@@WackaMei This is late, but...because memory doesn't work like that. Eyewitness testimony is inherently unreliable--this is why police try to get interviews with witnesses on record as quickly as possible. Even a couple days can muddy things to the point of uselessness. When you're dealing with years and decades after the fact, forget about it.
@Prottoy RAhman While the story plays with it elements of historical dramatization, I don't think it's ever explicit enough to say that the base narrative is meant to be taken as a literal representation of one, other than the episodes that were actual history documentaries. I've always taken the narrator as just that, a narrator who may have been discussing the events as a documentarian, but that the scenes themselves weren't meant to be seen as that documentary. As for the "crude" dialogue, that is easily credited to it having been a fan translation prior to this current release (specifically from an English speaking perspective, and can't speak to the quality and/or style of the Japanese dialogue). I would agree, though, that the show is undoubtedly heavily informed by the aesthetic of documentaries.
I'm so glad they got rid of the nervous Reinhard, that's something they purely added in the OVA. I don't remember him knowing about El Facil at all in the books or caring about who the hero was. This attitude of confidence (not undeserving), plus borderline arrogance is partly responsible for putting him in the battle of vermilion eventually.
Hmm I think that it is largely due to there being no “My Conquest is the Sea of Stars: Die Neue These”. The movie, which acts as a pilot/prequel for the OVA, results in Reinhard learning Yang’s name and gaining respect for him. In DNT canon, apparently the first episode is also the first encounter between the two. So, in DNT, there is no reason for Reinhard to be nervous.
I think they are trying to shift away from the historical narrative of the OVA and try to frame it as a more present narrative than one being told in the past tense. Their are advantages and disadvantages to that, but I think it will produce a unique perspective on the legend that will add something of value to even people like me who've gone through the show in completion about three times now (which is a hard thing to do as you know because 110 mainline + movies + other material is nothing to scoff at). I wouldn't even say I'm completely adept at recalling all the details of the narrative because it's like studying actual history texts.
Two thing's I like the most so for is the new deigns for the FPA ships and the updated look of the technology.
I love this new version because it not only redesigned the characters but the entire plot is the same, although with a lot of twists especially the main characters despite retaining their original personalities. I really love how Production I.G. hired Mamoru Miyano as the voice of cold, rational, and confident Count Reinhard von Lohengramm. Reinhard, in my opinion, is basically the version of Ultraman Zero who seeks the worthy opponent and counter him in a careful military television series. Coincidentally, Zero and Reinhard are both voiced by Mamoru Miyano himself.
i Love Die Neue These!!!!!! I havent seen the original but now I want to watch it and read the books too. Its written so well and the animation is absolutey beautiful. And the eng dub is actually really really good
As a big fan of the original, I was concern about the new series but after watching season 1 I actually quite enjoy it. Its a good remake
I hope there were more og fans like you
Holy shit an og fan that DOESN’T shit on the remake? God almighty, i’ve just found a shiny pokemon!
As someone who watched entire series and came back to watch the first episode of the OVA again, I like the original first episode more and i even think it's better LoGH episode, but this one is clearly a better pilot. Original overwhelmed you with information and many POVs which I like as a fan but it doesn't work that well for someone who just started the series. To be fair, you're supposed to watch "My Conquest is the Sea of Stars" before watching OVA so I feel like the episode is much better if you do but still not as engaging as this one. Anyway, it was a really good episode and I'm hyped for more.
well episode 2 didn't disappoint either. The huge fan I am of the original OVA, I am loving the remake
Really fantastic analysis - clearly a guy who knows his media direction . I wouldn't have noticed that, but now it stands out like a sore thumb how the original basically tells us what's going to happen.
Really glad that I found this channel, subscribed and will be looking through your videos later this week.
I'm legitimately so excited for all the positive buzz for the new series. I hope it leads to a Lotgh revival.
The only minor quibbles I have are the starship design and some of the character designs, but for all the important stuff it looks like love and care were poured into this series and I hope the quality remains high.
Grate video! And I would love to see more of your thoughts on DNT in future videos! The reason Reinhard is aware of Yang/nerves about him in the first episode of the OVA is because he does encounter him in the short story that was made into the movie "My conquest is in the Sea of Stars." *However* this short story was written well after the first novel so there is no reference to this within that novel. Reinhard's initial disregard of Yang after hearing his broadcast to the FPA forces is an almost word for word adaptation of how he responds in the original novel. In fact a lot of what people are going to object to in DNT as "changes" are actually places where the OVA deviated from the source material to which the new anime is returning.
I haven't watched the remake, so can't say anything about that, but I kind of agree with the minuses of the original OVA that you mention. And I feel like that's exactly why the original movies were so important. They sat the tone and heroes a lot better than first episode of OVA and after watching the movies it was much easier to get into the series. If the remake was able to do that in the first episode than I should probable check that out too, cause this story definitely deserves it!
In the first episode of the original OVA Reinhard knows of Yang's presence because of the movie My Conquest is the Sea of Stars, where they face each other for the first time, the reboot (probably due to lack of time ) is undercutting this previous battle
but I have to say that the first episode was a pleasant surprise
In the original novel Reinhard didn't know Yang before the battle of Astarte. Also the plot of the movie is different from original novel. They made new anime form the novel not the old series so I think they just followed the novel.
I prefer Reinhard not knowing who Yang was, as it was in the novel. Having previous connections made up by the anime really undermines the sense that Yang really came out of nowhere. Yes he briefly was a hero in El Facil but that was a minor incident in the scale of this war. People need to fully appreciate that the Battle of Astarte was the first moment when both of them stepped into the spotlight of history, and that's why the story starts from here.
I didn't know they were novels originally, thanks for the info!
@@yukie_tn why does it matter whether they learn about each other at Astarte or Tiamat? In Conquest they only capture each other’s names at the end, and they get a vague sense of each other’s strat/tactical abilities on the battlefield. Astarte still feels like the true first confrontation between them but Tiamat was like a little taste of all that comes in the ova series
Its opening is BEAUTIFUL.
It definitely felt much more focused in the remake which I appreciated.. I adore the geopolitical stuff in LOGH but the OVA definitely detracted from the battle. It always felt like an Austerlitz type situation and they captured it good.
I'm still watching the original and had no real intention of watching this because I thought it was a scene for scene remake of the original anime. I've decided to give it a chance now thanks to you.
Funimation will be doing a simudub, so here is my dreamcast...Reinhart von Lohengramm - Jonny Yong Bosch Siegfried Kircheis - Yuri Lowenthal Paul von Oberstein - Dan Woren Oskar von Reuenthal - Eric Vale Wolfgang Mittermeyer - Travis Willingham Ernest Mecklinger - Lance Henriksen Fritz Josef Bittenfeld - Brian Drummond Ernst von Eisenach - Jamieson Pryce Hildegard von Mariendorf - Michelle Ruff Annerose von Grunewald - Kate Higgins Magdalena von Westfalen - Laura Bailey Elfriede von Kohlrausch - Mary Elizabeth McGlynn Heinrich von Kummel - Terrence Stone Otto von Braunschweig - Christopher Sabat Flegel - Derek Steven Prince Ovlesser - David Lodge Maximilian von Kastrop - Lex Lang Susanna von Benemunde - Morgan Hollinghead Kaiser Friedrich IV - William Frederick Knight Yang Wen-li - Steve Kramer Julian Minci - Brad Swaile Frederica Greenhill - Stephanie Sheh Dusty Attenborough - Sonny Strait Murai - Terrence Stone Fyodor Patrichev - Lex Lang Walter von Schenkopp - Crispin Freeman Olivier Poplan - Dave Wittenburg Ivan Konev - Doug Erholtz Willibald Joachim von Merkatz - Ed Bleylock Louis Mashengo - Dean Redman Katerose von Kreutzer - Lisa Ann Beley Hortense Cazellnu - Michelle Ruff Charlotte Phyllis Cazelinu - Ariel Winter Jessica Edwards - Lisa Ann Beley Job Trunicht - Kyle Hebert Alexander Bucock - Paul St. Peter Adrian Rubinsky - Todd Hansen Dominique Saint-Pierre - Laura Bailey Nikolas Boltik - Barry Yandell Narrator - Beau Billingslea
Funimation is NOT doing a simuldub, also I think dub'll be done by sentai since they own the rights.
You’re quickly becomming my favorite youtuber!! ♥️
I watched the original, then the movie version of the first 4 episodes (they clearly weren't happy with the beginning either), and finally the remake within about 2 years. Only during that third time, with the much more legible fleet movement animation, did I actually understand how the battle developed (notably the transition into the Ouroboros after Yang intervened). And they somehow managed to make Commander Fork even more dislikeable.
Hey! Thanks for video! As a big fan of the original show and almost hater of the new one, I loved how you actually analyzed it and found strenght and focus. Focus=simplicity and actually yes it's an interesting point that Reindhart (i might mispell watched in other language) didn't see Yang as an opponent. But the whole point of the original show was that he was, you know, a person. He wasn't self absorbed freak that people around him think he was. That's why he needed Oberstein. Here we have unemotional doll that makes him cliche anime genius boy. And of course I don't think original OVA was sacred or perfect. I can talk hours about how it treated its female characters, for example. Anyway, thanks for cool content!
I've watched both OVA and DNT. And from my perspective, female characters are treated worse in DNT. They practically don't say or do anything if the script doesn't make them do so, while the important events in which they participate are practically the same as in OVA. What's more, OVA gave more time to the characters during such scenes. As for character design, several of them have huge and empty eyes (Anne Rose and Evangelin (Mittermeyer's wife)) like they are lifeless or just high.
I may have missed something, but I would like to know why do you think that female characters are treated badly in OVA?
I read the novel but didn't watch the old anime. The new anime is pretty good i like it enough
I have done both, I have watched the old anime and I am reading the Novels that they are releasing in the U.S. Getting the full picture is a very interesting way to experience the story.
totally awesome
I thought Reuental got it bad, but Lutz...
feuer!!!!!!
love the remake
especially "battle part"
It is closer to the novel but in some ways it seems the classic OV had tightened up the novel.
And yet Yang's tactics save my ass 2 times in RTS
I just wish they'd stuck with beams over bolts.
0:46 Agreed.
Any news on season 5???
Yeah its announced
Mecklinger I would say is an improvement. Bittenfeld's a sidegrade, Reuenthal's just bad and poncy, Oberstein is just the short guy from AoT. Merkatz no longer looks like he's Charles Bronson straight off the set of Deathwish. Lennenkamph is no longer Stalin.
It was really a strong pilot and one that made me want to see the original OVA. Unfortunately the remake will not match the OVAs episode number so that will mean that some parts of the original will not make it. :(
what epesode in the ova original series? where reinheard and yang fought? so i can review and watch it too... i love this remake, but i didnt watch the very original
Yeah, the first two episodes of the original weren't that good and the people working on it must have realized this which explains why they redid them in the "Overture for a New War" movie. That was much better.
Do I need to watch an old version (Or first season) of this anime so I can understand the plot?
No need to watch the old 1988 version. For newcomer just start with the 2018 version first. Then if you are interested in the show you can check out the old version.
so how could i watch the series should i watch the original or this one?
Okay, so I have a question as someone who wants to watch Legend of etc, I can watch the New Thesis without needing to watch any other season, ova or content before right?
Yes you can.
yes, i'd argue you might even enjoy it more in that way
I really enjoy both versions, the only 'negative' is the lack of classical music in the new one. And I was watching this with a friend and she was like "Are those two gay for one another?" And she's right soooooooooo much sexual tension there :p Both shows, classic and new are great!
Something is still lacking though... The class of the music and the way the start the plot... The classic.
Furthermore the battle in the new thesis is quite a quagmire... They used old tech back then but you know what's going on it's like john wick, here in the new thesis it's like a freaking micheal bay movie transformers you a lot of crappy fast camera angle and recycled clip.
Do you think I should watch the new LOTGH without watching the original? I've wanted to watch the original for a while but its intimidating because of the crazy amount of hype it has. The animation also really bothers me, its not my style at all.
I can't say for sure without knowing how the remake will turn out, but right now I'm leaning towards yes - but who knows where we'll end on that.
I think that you should watch the old first. The difference in visual quality is night and day between the two (not that the original is poor quality, it's very good for its time period, it's just old) and you may not be able to enjoy the original as much if you watch this first. Also, things like the opening have a lot more weight to them after getting through the 110 episode series
Replay Value Thanks man, who knows maybe I'll watch both lol.
Few watch the original for their art and what not, it is basically the faithful and complete book to animate adaptation in Japanese animate history. The original is 95% faithful to the source material to the point of adding stuff that is good from subsequent side stories in the main plot. I can tell you about the useless time filler scenes of the original, which slows down pacing and serve little purposes (same goes for scenes in old transformers), but over all, the plot stays intact which is as rare as it gets today.
You really don't have to watch the original at all. Honestly since I read the books first, the original anime didn't bring anything new, and I didn't like the animation style either. What it did well was stay faithful to the novels and introduced this story to people who are not interested in reading or have access to the books. But then at the same time I feel the strength lies with the underlying story/characters and not necessarily with the anime medium. So far this remake looks just as fine and I feel like the dramatic moments may be even handled better, like Yang's introduction.
Another thing I'd mention is that the novels have finally been translated into English, currently 1-6 are available. It probably takes less time to read than watch 110 episodes + all the movie/OVAs.
This video is great.
... HOWEVER, the comparison between episode 1 of DNT and episode 1 of the original OVAs is not fair unless you count the "episode 0" tv movie (a 1-hour prologue basically) where we're introduced to Yang And Reinhards factions. Had you acknowledged this in this video I'd have been fine with any criticism, and even agreed to some larger extents.
But this is not the case when the context of the movie is omitted and you presenting episode 1 of the original OVAs as "the first episode/introduction" to several characters. Because it's not, in the original anime.
Aside from that? Great work! I'm very happy to see the remake being covered by people on TH-cam, keep it up~
I only have two complaints:
1. Ship redesigns. The original designs were simplistic and realistic. Imperial ships had some curves for style and atmospheric operations, but still quite simplistic overall; FPA ships were blocky and looked like ship versions of T-34 tanks because their focus of mass production. All the ship components you could clearly tell what they do. The remake makes the ships a bit too shiny, and there are too many funky parts sticking out. Like 3:20, why are the engines moved to the front now? Why a combination of "red" and "blue" engines? And why the slanted ones(FPA ships don't do atmospheric flights)? They also look like the original imperial ships reversed. The imperial ships has aesthetics and all but they look more like Protoss ships now...
The weapons are supposed to be particle beam based, they travel at almost the speed of light, so the original did a better job by just drawing continuous straight lines(one could argue it saved animation money). The remake is fancy and CGI is beautiful, but it loses that realistic touch, one could mistake the battle scene as star wars, mass effect, gundam, star blazers or any soft scifi that involves space battleships.
2. The new series being PG-13. The original doesn't hold back when it comes to bloodshed and it truly showcased the terror of war, and that any character is mortal and fragile. The remake...I have no idea how they're gonna do the hand-to-hand combat now.
Otherwise, I agree with this video that the remake does a fine job and makes many welcome changes on storytelling. The characters look a bit weird for someone who watched the original but maybe fine for someone new to the series, but the voice acting and characterization is still on point.
there arent axes in the novel so far as i know, soo
IMO, DNT ships is arguably more realistic when you factored in that in the Novel these ships has insane acceleration and deceleration that they can cross light second distance in minutes and stop just as quickly. Realistically the small deceleration/directional thrusters they gave to the OVA ships cannot accomplish that without throwing suspension of disbelief out of the window for the same reason one wonder how ships in Star Wars are supposed to decelerate when they don't have reverse thrusters. Hence DNT ships now has visible, large thrusters on their ships to decelerate instead.
As for the front mounted engine for FPA ships, I once thought like you too that it doesn't make sense, but then I remembered how one steer starship IRL.
Simply put, it make these ships able to steer without dotting the entire length of their ship with directional thrusters and hence weaken the ship structure. It's the same idea with how you steer tracked vehicle IRL; you stop port engine while leaving the starboard one running, then you'll steer left. Stop the starboard engine while firing up your port engine and you steer right.
FPA ships has the engine slanted downward also for the same exact reason; notice that the front are slanted backward while at the rear end of their ships has another engine slanted forward, firing the front engines and the ship will pitch the nose up, while firing the rear engine will pitch the nose down. It's basically give these ships a vertical movement.
Actually the only complaint towards Die Neue These I have so far is design for some character. I can't differentiate Schoenkopf/Schenkopp with Attenborough and Reuenthal's design is not my taste
That large ship design was similar to Dune's, Adding a weighty , stabilising affect against all the fast moving objects and thus suggests innovations in metals and fuels .
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Disagree. It doesn't really matter how many characters get introduced in the first episode of the original for the simple reason that it then has 100+ freakishly epic episodes to tell their intertwining stories and develop them. You don't have to immediately focus on who is who for every single one of them, nor you are required to in order to understand what is going on.
Sorry, but as far as I'm concerned the remake was neither needed nor wanted. The only part that the remake does arguably better (you can still lve the vintage style) is the representation of the space battles, because of the obvious advantage afforded by superior technology. The character design is IMO absolute garbage, with the modern anime style that makes everyone look the same. I cannot believe anybody can tell me with a straight face that they prefer the anonymous look of the new lifeless mugs to the unique, expressive original faces of Oberstein (good lord I love the character), Schonkopf or pretty much any other main player
Reuental is my favourite character, so seeing him changed like this really stings...
The original pacing is horrible at least in the first episodes, try to introduce to many characters at ones, at least the remake have a more coherent storyline and better, way better space battles.
It is the eng. Dub that saves them. As if this anime was built for eng. Speaking world
Too bad it goes downhill after the first 3ish episodes.
I want a remake where the FPA is successful in it's invasion of the empire and I wanna see how the story turns out...
Isn't this supposed to be a Yaoi??
I would watch the original if it didn't look worse than FE1 box art.
Analysis is ok, but throwing in a dislike on account of completely butchering the pronunciation of so many words.
Astarte, 'ass-tartey' not 'estate', Reuenthal, not "Rointhall" Phezzan is 'Fez-an' not 'phase-ahn'.
The "Rointhall" part is actually more accurate. The accurate pronunciation is something like "Roienthal". The "eu" part is read "oi". It's German name, after all
His pronuciation of Reuenthal is quite accurate. Astarte one, on the other hand, is quite atrocious
Christian Albert Jahns is legend of the galactic heroes good like code geass or death note just asking cos I’m thinking of watching it
@@yrm2852 I will argue that it's better than Code Geass
rahh for real well since you seen it wich one is better the old version or this one in this video