Did God become a human? Did God become powerless? Was God tempted like us? Did God die? Was God raised from the dead by another God? Did God receive authority from another God? ......all this, and more, is madness. They are so confused.
@@bosse641 yes, many are confused because they have believed the false ideas coming from Christian philosophers influenced by Greek and Romans ideas developed in the third and fourth century.
I was just telling my father earlier that the more you look into the Trinity belief the worse it gets. He was raised Catholic but didn't even realize that that's what they were teaching. He like myself thought the Trinity was just a name for the three which wouldn't be so bad if people recognize them for what they were. Anyways I call it the doctrine of confusion for a reason.
Yahuah is the God of Yahusha just like he is my God! The scripture below speaks volumes, and should be the end of this discussion: John 20:17 17 Yahusha said to her, "Do not cling to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father; but go to My brothers and say to them, 'I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God.' " Again, it just doesn’t get any clearer than that. Yahusha is our brother not our "God". Yahuah is our God and Father not our brother. Scripture is very clear for people with ears to hear and ..with Yah's spirit and truth!
The supernatural power of darkness that lies within the spirit of trinitarianism is indeed a remarkable phenomenon. Those who believe it say, you can’t understand it, that it’s a mystery. But then they condemn you to hell for not believing in it. It is a spirit of condemnation that leads to hell. I experienced it myself as I began to come out of the Trinitarian mindset. Once it was revealed to me through studying the word, that there was no third person identified as “God the spirit”, but is instead the first person, “the spirit of God”, (the father). I began to study the scriptures in more detail within this context. As I did so, and and became more convinced the trinity is false as the scriptures reveal, I began to feel as if I was being condemned to hell for not believing in it. The thought of leaving the main stream mindset began to Bring upon me a spirit of condemnation. that if I stopped believing in main stream trinitarianism I believed I was going to go to hell. Or that I was blaspheming the Holy Spirit. The power of darkness within the spirit of trinitarianism, that is the “third person” they call “god the spirit” is indeed a demonic spirit of condemnation. Trinitarian’s often say that if you don’t believe in it, you go to hell. That is wholly unscriptural. The actual truth is. Romans 10:9 “if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that GOD RAISED him from the dead, you will be saved;“
Glad to hear your story. Yes, the pressures to stay Trinitarian are so strong. Amazing to hear that you were willing to put the scriptures above tradition. I think what you said here captures the craziness of it all - "Those who believe it say, you can’t understand it, that it’s a mystery. But then they condemn you to hell for not believing in it."
Once I realized there was no third person, I began to talk to God about how many people he was. I said “you can be as many people as you want to be”. after 40 years of studying I was tired of learning new things and having to re-adapt my belief system. So I put off studying about the Trinity for exactly one year. but God would not let me go and in my conscience I knew I had to know the truth regarding this. So for one full year with highlighters in hand I read the New Testament over and over again until it became perfectly clear. the father alone is God (theos) and Jesus is lord (kurios). but most importantly, there is no third person called “God the spirit”. This was the revelation that I had when reading revelation. it is the spirit of God the father, the first person, that is what is essential in my understanding. Because this third person that everybody worships, I’ve discovered is a demonic force that has fully infiltrated the modern Christians mind. That is what I find more essential than disputing the divinity of Jesus.
@@REALMS-AI thank you for sharing your comments. When I was studying the truth about the Trinity I felt great spiritual warfare. Rooted in fear. I thought I would go to hell for not believing the Trinity. I kept thinking, "What if I am wrong? I will be in so much trouble for denying?" lol I pressed on with the fact that we are to study God's Word for the truth. So I kept on studying and ignored the fear. So glad I did! I found such freedom in believing the truth. One God. One lord. Your points about the Trinity's 3rd person / spirit I found fascinating and makes so much sense!
Trinitarianism doesn’t work within the realm of logic. They say There are three gods but yet God is one god, that is illogical. they say that’s just how God is and you can’t understand it because your mind is too feeble. All languages and cultures throughout all time have always had a word for one and a word for three. One never means two or three or more. And three never means less than three or more than three. One means one and three means three in any language. Yet they’re still told to believe that God is three in one. It is outside the realm of logic, so you cannot reason nor use logic with someone who has been brainwashed by trinitarianism. As I once was.
I saw a joke on Instagram about Joseph having to realize that he was going to be the stepdad of God. So these people believe that God has human parents but he's also his own father in heaven. I honestly just don't understand how these people can be so lost. I honestly just feel sorry for them.
Kobi, it is not a straw-man argument I am quoting directly from the Chalcedonian Creed and attacking that argument. As an "orthodox" Trinitarian, you are supposed to believe that Jesus is omniscient and not omniscient at the same time; omnipresent and not omnipresent at the same time.
Thanks! I was hoping that would maybe get Trinitarians to see how contradictions aren't okay in other areas of theology, but for some reason when it comes to Jesus, we just need to accept the "mystery"
@@biblicalunitarianUnitarianism is contradictory. Unitarianism necessitates that God is a composite being and not the infinite being. How do you reconcile the fact that the name of God the father is the YHWH? So when Jesus said baptized in the name (singular) of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. They all share the same name which is YHWH.
@@genericname7020 John 5:43-44 I have come in my Father’s name, and you do not receive me. If another comes in his own name, you will receive him. How can you believe, when you receive glory from one another and do not seek the glory that comes from the only God? Jesus was sent by God and is authorized by The Only God to do works in HIS name. Until you understand Hebrew agency, you will misunderstand everything Jesus says.
@@genericname7020 John 5:43-44 I have come in my Father’s name, and you do not receive me. If another comes in his own name, you will receive him. How can you believe, when you receive glory from one another and do not seek the glory that comes from the only God? Jesus is the Agent of God. He did not come in the authority of his own name.
John 5:43-44 I have come in my Father’s name, and you do not receive me. If another comes in his own name, you will receive him. How can you believe, when you receive glory from one another and do not seek the glory that comes from the only God? Jesus is God’s agent. Until you understand that fact, you will misunderstand everything Jesus says.
So, we Yahuah will never come to Earth as a man and would never repent. That He is perfect and invisible. We also know Yahusha’s favorite title for himself (no matter what we think he was) was ‘son of man’. 87 times he outright declared he was a ‘human being’! The son of his Earthly father Yahsep (yes, Miriam was a virgin, but Yahuah used Joseph/ David’s seed told in 2 Samuel 7 -12 told by Yah God details His promise of a house for David in the miracle just like He did Adam, Isaac, Sampson, Jeremiah, and John the Immerser... all born miraculous births OUTSIDE of sexual intercourse... and Yahuah used the seed of their fathers! Yahuah would not violate the order of His Own Creation).
Very good presentation!!! Jesus is not God.... that is so clear in scripture. But lately, I've also done some biblical research into whether the "Omni" definitions are biblical. Several of my latest videos call this into question. If God is omniscient, why does he ask men questions? "Adam, where are you?" "Elijah, what are you doing here?"
Yep, the omni's certainly aren't as clear as I think some suppose. And the questions you brought up are valid. However, I think it's very possible God was asking these questions not for his own knowledge but for their conviction, etc... Omniscience can be seen in passages like Psa. 147:5; 139:4; Job 37:16; Matt. 10:30; Isa. 40:28, but very few passages explicitly say God knows all knowledge (1 John 3:20 is about it).
I always found it interesting that in Luke where Jesus instructed his deciples to sell your cloak etc to buy a sword to fulfill profecy later during his arrest, that the deciples said 'look, we have two already' and Jesus replied 'that is enough'. You would have thougt that he'd have known two of his deciples already carried one and there would be no need to instruct them to buy something they already have if he was all knowing?
What does NOT make sense is if God is ALL knowing regarding what I will think in 2030. Then what on Earth would be the purpose of prayer. If Jesus is God, then why aren't Trinitarians willing to admit, that is Polytheism. Jesus is God 100% and man 100% how many percentages is he got at a certain time and how many percentages is he a man.? On the Cross Jesus says Father forgive them for they know not what they do if he's God why didn't he just forgive them?
@BiblicalTrinitarian The same way YOU are to save the lost. James 5:20. That IS your purpose as an Anointed begotten Son. James 1:18, edit** I Peter 1:3, 1:23, Revelation 21:7, "I said YOU are elohim and are ALL Sons of the Most High" ** Psalm 82:6.
@BiblicalTrinitarian How about you read Deut 13 and Isaiah 40-66 using a hebrew lexicon. Only the Father can save ANYONE. Being a human savior on behalf of the Father is NOT being our savior of our souls. Being an eloheim is NOT being the ONE AND ONLY Elohiem. I'm afraid you are confused on who is who.
@BiblicalTrinitarian The last verse of psalm 82. Confirms Matthew 19:28, Revelation 3:21, Revelation 21:7. And that all those who are regenerated of the first resurrection are eloheim.
Well there isn't a lot in scripture recorded of Christ between his infancy and adulthood except for the time he was in the temple debating people when he was 12. I don't understand your argument, probably there isn't an actual argument. There isn't anything wrong with the Christian Church commemorating different times in the life of Jesus at different times in the Church year.
@ my point is this, when I debate Trinitarians, they don’t wanna talk about the belief that Jesus who in their belief is God wore diapers, or who had to rely on humans in order to survive. Etc . They call Jesus the Godman. Never the Godbaby
@michaelbruce9197 Well he's not a perpetual baby. He was a baby at one point in time. Why should anyone call him the God baby? That'd be ridiculous. He is now a glorified human and the second person of the Trinity. I will talk about Jesus as a baby and state it unapologetically. Yes he wore diapers and did everything a human baby did. He didn't just appear to be human nor was he only human. 2 nature's that's what orthodox Christians teach. So I don't know who you're talking to but I'll tell you straight. Yeah he wore diapers and was breast fed and was cared for by his mother. None of that refutes him being both God and man simultaneously.
@@michaelbruce9197 Because he didn't remain a Baby. So it's an irrelevant point. I'll state it outright. Yes God wore diapers. He has to be cared for as any human child. There's no problem believing that and still holding to the doctrine of the 2 nature's of Christ.
You made a perfect example with “Jesus is both sinner and sinless” - I’ve thought of that analogy before. No one could ever accept that statement, but somehow they’ll find a way to twist themselves into knots to believe a Christological statement just as unintelligible.
@@maxhorsewood7743 Because Jesus’s creation did not involve a male, Jesus was not born with a sinless nature prone to sin. He was tested by Satan just as Adam was but he did not fall. He was created completely sinless with a powerful spirit given to him by the Almighty. Isaiah 11:2
@@MikiSeyoum-g6u that’s not what he meant. He simply means that saying “Jesus is fully man and fully God” is as illogical as saying “Jesus is fully sinless and fully sinful”, but for some reason Trinitarians don’t have a problem accepting the first statement.
Trinitarian’s use this verse to answer the question that you raised. Philippians 2:6 who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men.” They claim that, although he was God, he emptied himself, somehow forgetting everything and giving up his supreme godlike powers for a while. That’s what I was told many times. So how would you respond to that? Just wondering…
Well, I would ask, what did he empty himself of? If they say his divine attributes, then they are Kenotic Trinitarians and thus "heretics". I find that often the answer that most Trinitarian apologists give is that Jesus emptied himself of his divine "prerogatives", which is just a fancy way of saying "nothing", because in reality, in Orthodox Trinitarianism, Jesus still possessed his divine attributes. Thus, he still could have been omnipresent, he just "chose" not to. Overall, I would really press that either he kept his divine attributes or he didn't. And make sure they answer that question, and then go from there. The whole "divine prerogatives" seems to be a way to just avoid answering the question.
If Jesus was a sacrifice for "sins" then it was for sins of ignorance. There are no sacrifices for intentional sins. I think the word "sin" in places like 1 Cor 15:3 or Rom 6:23 is a metonymy for "mortality". God has always forgiven sin because of his mercy and not because of a human sacrifice.
@@shure46 Again, if Jesus was a substitutionary sacrifice, it only dealt with unintentional sins. There is no provision in the Bible for intentional sin (a sin unto death, 1 John 5:16). The use of "sin" when connected to death (1 Cor 15:3) is referring to mortality. Only death puts an end to sin (1 Pet 4:1).
@@chasingthemessiah ASK THE BIBLE what "sin" means , stop "speculating" ... I'm sorry but you are incorrect .... 1 John 3:4 "Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law." There's the Biblical definition (ALL sins have to be forgiven to go to heaven , ALL SIN , no sin can enter Heaven , We MUST be covered by Jesus or we are doomed) ..... Having said that , I certainly believe we have to try to obey God and stop sinning intentionally , yes I agree with that , but I do not think we are automatically doomed if we fail sometimes ..... Jesus will judge us all fairly and He knows us better than we know ourselves ..... We just have to "trust and obey" the Lord .... I know how we fail at times ....
@@shure46 I did not say that sin cannot be forgiven. God will forgive the repentant sinner. All I am saying is that forgiveness is sans sacrifice. God gave men the authority to forgive sins (Matthew 9:6) way before the death of Jesus. In fact, Paul reminds us that Jesus' death did nothing about sin in 1 Cor 15:17.
God forgets our sins when we are baptised in the name of Jesus (Acts 2:38; 22:16) even though it is “against logic” because God knows everything! He has promised to forget our sins. If we return to our sinful ways, “God forgets” our righteousness (Eze 33) even though He knows all. How can God forget if He knows everything? We must ignore His promises if they defy human logic! “We will be the judge of what God can and cannot do!”
Either he "forgets" sins, or it is a euphemism (I think that is pretty clearly what is going on), but he does not "forget" and "not forget" our sins. Is all I an doing in the video is saying we shouldn't believe things that clearly violate logic. A being cannot be omniscient and not omniscient at the same time. Luckily, the scriptures never call us to place our faith in a being like that. Also, there are quite a few things the scriptures say God cannot do: lie, be tempted with evil, etc. So, I'm not trying to be the "judge of what God can and cannot do" just simply trying to follow scripture.
@@biblicalunitarian Have you done anything on Trinitarianism being critical doctrine? It obviously isn't, but I would like to hear your arguments on that.
@@gator7082 I haven't made a video on it yet, but I might, that's a great idea. Although John made a video about it awhile ago - th-cam.com/video/ClFbGDAYRIg/w-d-xo.html
I agree with almost everything w/ biblical unitarian except the preexistence of Christ. The plain reading of the text says he was. That Jesus is preeminent in everything. That all things was created THROUGH Him. That before Abraham, He is. While He's not the most high, he surely was the son of God from the foundation of the world. I'm open to be convinced otherwise.
I certainly think there are some pretty good arguments for pre-existence, much better than Jesus being equally God. I see how you could get pre-existence from verses like John 8:58, 1 Cor. 8:6. But we have explanations for those verses here - www.biblicalunitarian.com/videos/john-8-58b Also, I'd like to point out that in regard to 1 Cor. 8:6, "and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and we are through him," notice that "we" (Christians) are through him. The "through" seems to be a New Testament time frame because it is used in reference to Christians. Now, this is such a vague phrase, what does it really mean to be "through" Christ, I don't think we can give an exact answer, but having this timeframe helps understand that he isn't talking about a pre-existence timeframe. The words "all things" often don't mean "all things" in the created universe, but "all things" in a specific context. I think some of the strongest arguments against pre-existence are the fact that in the Synoptic Gospels there isn't even the slightest hint of pre-existence, which seems like a critical thing to leave out in your gospel about Jesus. And perhaps the next strongest argument is how in 18 different places in the New Testament where an Old Testament event is mentioned, Jesus is never once credited with doing the event or being present at the event, God is always the one credited. Here are a few examples: Matt. 19:4-6; Mark 10:6; Rom. 1:20; Acts 4:24; Tit. 1:2; 2 Pet. 1:21; 2 Pet. 2:4, 5, 6, 7 ; Heb. 7:1 This is extremely strange if he pre-existed, what exactly was he doing in his pre-existent state?
I'm a Muslim enjoying your videos! I want to propose to you another subject regarding Unitarian Christianity! It still has one logical problem! How God sacrificed an innocent human for sinners!!! If he decided to forgive sins, why did he go through many steps while he's supposed to be God! Can decide whatever directly!
Jesus sacrificed himself to save the rest of mankind because we all have sinned and deserve death. There is no greater love than that a man lays down his life for his friends.
It's a great question. But it all goes back to the beginning of the story. God decided that the wages of sin would be death (he said to Adam, "the day you sin you will die"). I think he did this because he did not desire for sin to keep damaging things over and over again, so he needed to put an end to it. So, because this is the principle God is working from, then that means that our sins deserve death. If God just forgave sin without giving it it's due recompense, then not only would he be breaking his own principle that "sin deserves death" (Rom. 6:23), but he would be unjust because "Well, for millions of people who trust in Jesus, sin doesn't really deserve death." So, through the death of Jesus, God is able to keep his principle that "sin deserves death" while also forgiving sinners who trust in Jesus' sacrifice.
@Yassine3333222222 God didn't kill Jesus. The religious leaders killed Jesus. God let it happen. Big difference. The reason why his death redeems us is because we are counted as "one" in Christ (spiritually speaking).
@@biblicalunitarian Jesus had only the first death that everyone would experience in all cases! So, according to what you said, we're all going to pay for ourselves! We don't need Jesus because we will die like him anyway! More than that, the sinners still didn't pay any price! So, if the sinners are not paying anything in all cases, why is God creating an innocent person to die! I still can't see the relation between Jesus's death and forgiveness of sinners!
Romans 5:11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement. One doesn't have to be wrong. Both can be correct. Jesus prepared the way so our repentance would be acceptable.
If Sin entered mankind through the disobedience of one man, Adam….then Sin can be atoned for by the obedience of one man, Jesus, and especially the shedding of his blood.
@@christopherestrada2474 Not necessary. Repentance atones for sins. And human sacrifice is forbidden by God. Read the WHOLE bible. He warned you about such pagan beliefs.
No, because the Almighty is Spirit and cannot change. Jesus was His created begotten son born of a woman Jesus did wear diapers or whatever newborns wore those days, but the Almighty for sure did not wear diapers.
@@CalebTheSeeker first born is a ancient Hebrew idiom meaning the ruler. In Psalms David is called the first born, but he was the youngest of Jessie's sons. I will also appoint him my firstborn, the most exalted of the kings of the earth." (Psalm 89:27, NIV) Although David was not literally the firstborn son of his family (he was the youngest of eight brothers), this passage speaks of his elevated position in God's eyes, symbolically designating him as the "firstborn" in terms of his status and authority, particularly as the chosen king
Doesn't it say that he emptied himself when becoming human? So how does this argument make any sense. It appears to be a fallacy of your own making. Unless I'm wrong. Point me to where the doctrine of the Trinity purports what you said
Kenotic Trinitarians believe that Jesus emptied himself of his Divine attributes, i.e., he ceased to be God while on earth. Which is why most mainstream Trinitarians consider them to be heretics. Most Mainstream Trinitarians think that Jesus preserves his natures in the incarnation (following the Chalcedonian Creed) and thus he is fully God and fully man while on earth. And thus, he is omniscient and not omniscient at the same time. That is what I am addressing in the video.
My responses to someone else keep disappearing. Hopefully this one will stay. Trinitarian proofs in scripture are John 1, Hebrews 1, Acts 13 :2, 1 Cor 12:11 & 1 Cor 2:10-11
I'm not sure I follow your logic. The coin is Caesar's image, the coin is not Caesar himself. If I do something to the coin, I am not doing that thing to Caesar himself. The image of God wore diapers, God didn't.
@biblicalunitarian Creation itself is an image of God, Adam is in that image along with it all as one image. God did not just decide one day to create an image, God is the image made manifest in Adam.
@@joettaqueen-ellenwood7711 when the Lord God breathed through the nostrils of Adam, was he outside the temple, or inside? The kingdom of God is within you, everything is made manifest within the flesh, the 🧠
@@joettaqueen-ellenwood7711 You are what you eat. We create our own experience, our own darkness and light, its the nature of The Law of Divine Oneness.
The Incarnation, the doctrine that God became man in Jesus Christ, is indeed a profound mystery. It is a core teaching of Christianity that does not rely solely on human logic but on divine revelation. The critique suggests that the simultaneous possession of divine and human natures leads to contradictions, such as how Jesus could be omniscient and not omniscient or omnipotent and yet limited. However, the doctrine does not assert that these two natures merge or cancel each other out. Instead, they coexist in the person of Jesus Christ without confusion or division. This is precisely what the Chalcedonian Definition affirms: Jesus is one person in two natures, fully God and fully man, with each nature retaining its properties. The claim also misunderstands the biblical context. For example, when Luke 2:52 states that Jesus "grew in wisdom and stature," this describes his human nature. As a man, Jesus experienced growth and learning as all humans do. However, this does not negate his divine nature, which remains omniscient. The two natures operate in harmony but are distinct. To assert that this creates a contradiction is to impose human limitations on the divine mystery. The critique also relies on a strawman argument, suggesting that Trinitarians believe Jesus was omnipresent and omnipotent as a baby in a human sense. This misunderstands the doctrine. The divine attributes of omnipresence, omnipotence, and omniscience belong to Jesus' divine nature, not his human nature. While Jesus, in his humanity, accepted limitations (e.g., hunger, fatigue), this does not diminish his divinity. Philippians 2:6-7 explains that Jesus, "being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant." This "emptying" (kenosis) does not imply losing divine attributes but rather choosing not to exercise them for the sake of his mission. The argument's comparison to logic violations, such as claiming Jesus sinned in one nature but not the other, is a false analogy. Sin pertains to moral failure, which would compromise Jesus' divine mission as Savior. By contrast, the coexistence of two natures in Christ reflects the unique reality of the Incarnation, not a logical contradiction but a revealed mystery that surpasses human comprehension. Furthermore, the assertion that the Bible never presents Jesus as fully God and fully man ignores the cumulative witness of Scripture. John 1:1 identifies the Word (Logos) as God, and John 1:14 affirms that the Word became flesh. Thomas's declaration in John 20:28, "My Lord and my God," directly addresses Jesus, acknowledging his deity. Philippians 2:6-11, Colossians 1:15-20, and Hebrews 1:3 further emphasize Christ's divine nature while affirming his humanity. The suggestion that the Trinity or the dual natures of Christ originated from pagan influences is historically inaccurate. The doctrine of the Trinity and the Incarnation developed from the early Church's reflection on Scripture and the need to articulate the faith in response to heresies. While pagan religions had triads, they were fundamentally different from the Christian understanding of one God in three persons. The early Church Fathers, such as Athanasius and Augustine, defended these doctrines based on biblical revelation, not external influences. In conclusion, the mystery of the Incarnation does not contradict logic but transcends it, requiring faith in divine revelation. The critique's reliance on human reasoning to dismiss the doctrine reflects a misunderstanding of the theological framework and the scriptural basis for the teaching. The Bible presents Jesus as fully God and fully man, a truth rooted in the profound mystery of God's love and salvation plan for humanity.
Two natures? No. "God...manifest in the flesh" (1 Timothy 3:16)? Yes. HUGE difference.
For whatever reason, Trinitarians and "Biblical" Unitarians alike are apparently unable to grasp the simple concept of an *omnipotent* Father who is *_actually_** capable* of expressing himself on earth in genuine human form _within_ our space-time continuum while also remaining unchanged according to his eternal existence _far beyond_ our space-time continuum.
If you're willing to believe the Father loves you enough to have laid down his own life for you, then he will show you who he truly is.
God is all-knowing ALWAYS. When you say Jesus was fully God and fully man, you are contradicting yourself. If Jesus is fully God, then how come he had limited knowledge?? This is why some people don't believe in the trinity. It is illogical. It is a self-contradicting concept. Many ex-trinitarians say their love and faith in Jesus grows when they realise he isn't God, but a man appointed and anointed by God to be the Saviour of mankind. Beautiful! And also scriptural.
@@joettaqueen-ellenwood7711 What is unncessary, is conjecture, speculation, slop apologetics, and seeking to be recognized on TH-cam for obscure, esoteric ideas that simply are not glorifying of God! Jesus made many demands! Do you not obey Him??!?
Taken from @ApatiEktetheimenos channel,,, “Take no part in the worthless deeds of evil and darkness; instead, expose them. Eph 5:11 Exposing fraud is the hard work of the very few who have the wisdom, guts and passion to protect the innocent.” Yet walks in darkness, and mocks those who expose it. Oh the irony…
You cannot make God this lab experiment. It was not logical for Him to die for us. If you do not believe Jesus was and is God, then you cannot be saved. It even says in the Word that all power was given to Him. He became less than He was, just to die for our sorry hides.
everything you said you have found in the word. That word that was spoken by God in the beginning, and recorded for us to read. however reading in the correct order to local context is very important, because if you get it out of order it can lead to people saying faulty logic, like you did here. All power was given him, yes, and authority in heaven and earth. You failed to notice when it was given to him! When he was raised to Gods right hand after being killed and buried 3 days. That was when he was given that power. Meaning he didnt have it previously like when he was in diapers and growing up learning, and when he went about in Lebanon while God attested to him being Gods messiah, by performing miracles THROUGH him. acts2:22. Its just like the foreshadow to the event, in Genesis we read about Joseph, a lowly servant, who is raised by Pharaoh and GIVEN POWER AND AUTHORITY IN ALL OF PHARAOHS KINGDOM. Higher than all other egyptians, except Pharaoh himself. Same principle, written earlier in Gods word so the reader will see the similarity and say "aha, and hey look, Joseph wasnt even egyptian! perhaps Jesus isnt even God. God raised Jesus, the one he anointed, and glorified him higher than angels, because of his obedience.
God is all-knowing ALWAYS. When you say Jesus was fully God and fully man, you are contradicting yourself. If Jesus is fully God, then how come he had limited knowledge?? This is why some people don't believe in the trinity. It is illogical. It is a self-contradicting concept.
Following the laws of logic is not making God into a lab experiment. The laws of logic help us identify truth, and when things violate the laws of logic, they identify error. Thus, when Trinitarians claim that Jesus is omniscient and not omniscient and that he has one mind, that violates the laws of logic. Luckily, the Bible doesn't actually violate the laws of logic because Jesus himself agrees that he does not know all things (Mark 13:32).
christ is ABOVE ALL EN ANYTHING created EXCEPT HIS FAHTER GOD YAH who made him en gave him power en status en raised him from death his blood saves us sinners en we all will bow to him en worship him for GOD YAH says so
I just found biblical unitarian Christian on this social media. God video, and nice to meet you!
Nice to meet you bro..pleasure to have you 😊😂..
Great to meet you!
Did God become a human? Did God become powerless? Was God tempted like us? Did God die? Was God raised from the dead by another God? Did God receive authority from another God? ......all this, and more, is madness. They are so confused.
@@bosse641 yes, many are confused because they have believed the false ideas coming from Christian philosophers influenced by Greek and Romans ideas developed in the third and fourth century.
I was just telling my father earlier that the more you look into the Trinity belief the worse it gets. He was raised Catholic but didn't even realize that that's what they were teaching. He like myself thought the Trinity was just a name for the three which wouldn't be so bad if people recognize them for what they were. Anyways I call it the doctrine of confusion for a reason.
Yahuah is the God of Yahusha just like he is my God!
The scripture below speaks volumes, and should be the end of this discussion: John 20:17
17 Yahusha said to her, "Do not cling to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father; but go to My brothers and say to them, 'I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God.' " Again, it just doesn’t get any clearer than that. Yahusha is our brother not our "God". Yahuah is our God and Father not our brother. Scripture is very clear for people with ears to hear and ..with Yah's spirit and truth!
The supernatural power of darkness that lies within the spirit of trinitarianism is indeed a remarkable phenomenon. Those who believe it say, you can’t understand it, that it’s a mystery. But then they condemn you to hell for not believing in it. It is a spirit of condemnation that leads to hell. I experienced it myself as I began to come out of the Trinitarian mindset. Once it was revealed to me through studying the word, that there was no third person identified as “God the spirit”, but is instead the first person, “the spirit of God”, (the father). I began to study the scriptures in more detail within this context. As I did so, and and became more convinced the trinity is false as the scriptures reveal, I began to feel as if I was being condemned to hell for not believing in it. The thought of leaving the main stream mindset began to Bring upon me a spirit of condemnation. that if I stopped believing in main stream trinitarianism I believed I was going to go to hell. Or that I was blaspheming the Holy Spirit. The power of darkness within the spirit of trinitarianism, that is the “third person” they call “god the spirit” is indeed a demonic spirit of condemnation. Trinitarian’s often say that if you don’t believe in it, you go to hell. That is wholly unscriptural. The actual truth is. Romans 10:9
“if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that GOD RAISED him from the dead, you will be saved;“
Glad to hear your story. Yes, the pressures to stay Trinitarian are so strong. Amazing to hear that you were willing to put the scriptures above tradition. I think what you said here captures the craziness of it all - "Those who believe it say, you can’t understand it, that it’s a mystery. But then they condemn you to hell for not believing in it."
Once I realized there was no third person, I began to talk to God about how many people he was. I said “you can be as many people as you want to be”. after 40 years of studying I was tired of learning new things and having to re-adapt my belief system. So I put off studying about the Trinity for exactly one year. but God would not let me go and in my conscience I knew I had to know the truth regarding this. So for one full year with highlighters in hand I read the New Testament over and over again until it became perfectly clear. the father alone is God (theos) and Jesus is lord (kurios). but most importantly, there is no third person called “God the spirit”. This was the revelation that I had when reading revelation. it is the spirit of God the father, the first person, that is what is essential in my understanding. Because this third person that everybody worships, I’ve discovered is a demonic force that has fully infiltrated the modern Christians mind. That is what I find more essential than disputing the divinity of Jesus.
@@REALMS-AI thank you for sharing your comments. When I was studying the truth about the Trinity I felt great spiritual warfare. Rooted in fear. I thought I would go to hell for not believing the Trinity. I kept thinking, "What if I am wrong? I will be in so much trouble for denying?" lol
I pressed on with the fact that we are to study God's Word for the truth. So I kept on studying and ignored the fear. So glad I did! I found such freedom in believing the truth. One God. One lord.
Your points about the Trinity's 3rd person / spirit I found fascinating and makes so much sense!
Trinitarianism doesn’t work within the realm of logic. They say There are three gods but yet God is one god, that is illogical. they say that’s just how God is and you can’t understand it because your mind is too feeble. All languages and cultures throughout all time have always had a word for one and a word for three. One never means two or three or more. And three never means less than three or more than three. One means one and three means three in any language. Yet they’re still told to believe that God is three in one. It is outside the realm of logic, so you cannot reason nor use logic with someone who has been brainwashed by trinitarianism. As I once was.
I saw a joke on Instagram about Joseph having to realize that he was going to be the stepdad of God. So these people believe that God has human parents but he's also his own father in heaven. I honestly just don't understand how these people can be so lost. I honestly just feel sorry for them.
Excellence in sharing truth once again. 🙏🏻
please, that is a strawman argument.
@@kobi5977 explain pls
Kobi, it is not a straw-man argument I am quoting directly from the Chalcedonian Creed and attacking that argument. As an "orthodox" Trinitarian, you are supposed to believe that Jesus is omniscient and not omniscient at the same time; omnipresent and not omnipresent at the same time.
Great video keep spreading seeds
Thanks so much!
Wow! Sinned and didn’t sin.
Awesome way to point out the contradiction of the dual nature doctrine.
Thanks! I was hoping that would maybe get Trinitarians to see how contradictions aren't okay in other areas of theology, but for some reason when it comes to Jesus, we just need to accept the "mystery"
@@biblicalunitarianUnitarianism is contradictory. Unitarianism necessitates that God is a composite being and not the infinite being.
How do you reconcile the fact that the name of God the father is the YHWH? So when Jesus said baptized in the name (singular) of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. They all share the same name which is YHWH.
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John 5:43-44
I have come in my Father’s name, and you do not receive me. If another comes in his own name, you will receive him. How can you believe, when you receive glory from one another and do not seek the glory that comes from the only God?
Jesus was sent by God and is authorized by The Only God to do works in HIS name. Until you understand Hebrew agency, you will misunderstand everything Jesus says.
@@genericname7020 John 5:43-44
I have come in my Father’s name, and you do not receive me. If another comes in his own name, you will receive him. How can you believe, when you receive glory from one another and do not seek the glory that comes from the only God?
Jesus is the Agent of God. He did not come in the authority of his own name.
John 5:43-44
I have come in my Father’s name, and you do not receive me. If another comes in his own name, you will receive him. How can you believe, when you receive glory from one another and do not seek the glory that comes from the only God?
Jesus is God’s agent. Until you understand that fact, you will misunderstand everything Jesus says.
So, we Yahuah will never come to Earth as a man and would never repent. That He is perfect and invisible. We also know Yahusha’s favorite title for himself (no matter what we think he was) was ‘son of man’. 87 times he outright declared he was a ‘human being’! The son of his Earthly father Yahsep (yes, Miriam was a virgin, but Yahuah used Joseph/ David’s seed told in 2 Samuel 7 -12 told by Yah God details His promise of a house for David in the miracle just like He did Adam, Isaac, Sampson, Jeremiah, and John the Immerser... all born miraculous births OUTSIDE of sexual intercourse... and Yahuah used the seed of their fathers! Yahuah would not violate the order of His Own Creation).
If Jesus was God, I'm not impressed by what he did. If He was a Godly man, I'm impressed.
Very good presentation!!! Jesus is not God.... that is so clear in scripture. But lately, I've also done some biblical research into whether the "Omni" definitions are biblical. Several of my latest videos call this into question. If God is omniscient, why does he ask men questions? "Adam, where are you?" "Elijah, what are you doing here?"
Yep, the omni's certainly aren't as clear as I think some suppose. And the questions you brought up are valid. However, I think it's very possible God was asking these questions not for his own knowledge but for their conviction, etc... Omniscience can be seen in passages like Psa. 147:5; 139:4; Job 37:16; Matt. 10:30; Isa. 40:28, but very few passages explicitly say God knows all knowledge (1 John 3:20 is about it).
Its the most ridiculous doctrine ever perpetrated on mankind.
I don't know about that. It's pretty bad, but I think eternal conscious torment is worse.
@MarvelNot Touche'. 👍
I always found it interesting that in Luke where Jesus instructed his deciples to sell your cloak etc to buy a sword to fulfill profecy later during his arrest, that the deciples said 'look, we have two already' and Jesus replied 'that is enough'.
You would have thougt that he'd have known two of his deciples already carried one and there would be no need to instruct them to buy something they already have if he was all knowing?
Yep, another great point where Jesus clearly isn't omniscient
What does NOT make sense is if God is ALL knowing regarding what I will think in 2030. Then what on Earth would be the purpose of prayer. If Jesus is God, then why aren't Trinitarians willing to admit,
that is Polytheism. Jesus is God 100% and man 100% how many percentages is he got at a certain time and how many percentages is he a man.? On the Cross Jesus says Father forgive them for they know not what they do if he's God why didn't he just forgive them?
If he is 100% man and %100 God then what is the father?
Is the father 100 % God and 10% what else?
And what about the holy spirit?
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We put our faith in the FATHER, our ONLY savior. Isaiah 43:11. 1st commandment means what it says.
So why is Jesus said to "save HIS people?"
@BiblicalTrinitarian The same way YOU are to save the lost. James 5:20. That IS your purpose as an Anointed begotten Son. James 1:18, edit** I Peter 1:3, 1:23, Revelation 21:7,
"I said YOU are elohim and are ALL Sons of the Most High" ** Psalm 82:6.
@@jdaze1 I can’t save everyone, unlike Jesus, so that’s different. I’m not a savior.
How about you read the full chapter of Psalm 82:6?
@BiblicalTrinitarian How about you read Deut 13 and Isaiah 40-66 using a hebrew lexicon. Only the Father can save ANYONE. Being a human savior on behalf of the Father is NOT being our savior of our souls.
Being an eloheim is NOT being the ONE AND ONLY Elohiem. I'm afraid you are confused on who is who.
@BiblicalTrinitarian The last verse of psalm 82. Confirms Matthew 19:28, Revelation 3:21, Revelation 21:7. And that all those who are regenerated of the first resurrection are eloheim.
Amen
That was my question I asked them.
Well done! To slightly adapt that classic line from the movie "Aladdin": "Phenomenal cosmic powers….little poopie diapers."
I have a friend who is a new believer. What translation is best to recommend?
The REV. - www.revisedenglishversion.com/
But if they really want a hard copy maybe the CSB, it's one of my favorite "trinitarian" translations
They want the baby at Christmas, then want to move right to Jesus at 30..
Well there isn't a lot in scripture recorded of Christ between his infancy and adulthood except for the time he was in the temple debating people when he was 12. I don't understand your argument, probably there isn't an actual argument. There isn't anything wrong with the Christian Church commemorating different times in the life of Jesus at different times in the Church year.
@ my point is this, when I debate Trinitarians, they don’t wanna talk about the belief that Jesus who in their belief is God wore diapers, or who had to rely on humans in order to survive. Etc . They call Jesus the Godman. Never the Godbaby
@michaelbruce9197 Well he's not a perpetual baby. He was a baby at one point in time. Why should anyone call him the God baby? That'd be ridiculous. He is now a glorified human and the second person of the Trinity. I will talk about Jesus as a baby and state it unapologetically. Yes he wore diapers and did everything a human baby did. He didn't just appear to be human nor was he only human. 2 nature's that's what orthodox Christians teach. So I don't know who you're talking to but I'll tell you straight. Yeah he wore diapers and was breast fed and was cared for by his mother. None of that refutes him being both God and man simultaneously.
@@michaelbruce9197 Because he didn't remain a Baby. So it's an irrelevant point. I'll state it outright. Yes God wore diapers. He has to be cared for as any human child. There's no problem believing that and still holding to the doctrine of the 2 nature's of Christ.
@ Question. Where is the trinity taught and explained in the Bible?
You made a perfect example with “Jesus is both sinner and sinless” - I’ve thought of that analogy before. No one could ever accept that statement, but somehow they’ll find a way to twist themselves into knots to believe a Christological statement just as unintelligible.
Yep, totally agree, thanks for the support!
@@maxhorsewood7743 Because Jesus’s creation did not involve a male, Jesus was not born with a sinless nature prone to sin. He was tested by Satan just as Adam was but he did not fall. He was created completely sinless with a powerful spirit given to him by the Almighty. Isaiah 11:2
Does Jesus is sinned by his body? I am a Unitarian, but I don't accept that. Jesus lived holy life as a scripture said.
@@MikiSeyoum-g6u No, Jesus never sinned, he did not have a sinful nature like us.
@@MikiSeyoum-g6u that’s not what he meant. He simply means that saying “Jesus is fully man and fully God” is as illogical as saying “Jesus is fully sinless and fully sinful”, but for some reason Trinitarians don’t have a problem accepting the first statement.
Trinitarian’s use this verse to answer the question that you raised. Philippians 2:6 who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men.” They claim that, although he was God, he emptied himself, somehow forgetting everything and giving up his supreme godlike powers for a while. That’s what I was told many times. So how would you respond to that? Just wondering…
Well, I would ask, what did he empty himself of? If they say his divine attributes, then they are Kenotic Trinitarians and thus "heretics". I find that often the answer that most Trinitarian apologists give is that Jesus emptied himself of his divine "prerogatives", which is just a fancy way of saying "nothing", because in reality, in Orthodox Trinitarianism, Jesus still possessed his divine attributes. Thus, he still could have been omnipresent, he just "chose" not to. Overall, I would really press that either he kept his divine attributes or he didn't. And make sure they answer that question, and then go from there. The whole "divine prerogatives" seems to be a way to just avoid answering the question.
If Jesus was a sacrifice for "sins" then it was for sins of ignorance. There are no sacrifices for intentional sins. I think the word "sin" in places like 1 Cor 15:3 or Rom 6:23 is a metonymy for "mortality". God has always forgiven sin because of his mercy and not because of a human sacrifice.
God the father destroys sin .... Jesus took your place ..... If you reject his offer you will pay for your sins
@@shure46 Again, if Jesus was a substitutionary sacrifice, it only dealt with unintentional sins. There is no provision in the Bible for intentional sin (a sin unto death, 1 John 5:16). The use of "sin" when connected to death (1 Cor 15:3) is referring to mortality. Only death puts an end to sin (1 Pet 4:1).
@@chasingthemessiah ASK THE BIBLE what "sin" means , stop "speculating" ... I'm sorry but you are incorrect .... 1 John 3:4
"Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law." There's the Biblical definition (ALL sins have to be forgiven to go to heaven , ALL SIN , no sin can enter Heaven , We MUST be covered by Jesus or we are doomed) ..... Having said that , I certainly believe we have to try to obey God and stop sinning intentionally , yes I agree with that , but I do not think we are automatically doomed if we fail sometimes ..... Jesus will judge us all fairly and He knows us better than we know ourselves ..... We just have to "trust and obey" the Lord .... I know how we fail at times ....
@@shure46 I did not say that sin cannot be forgiven. God will forgive the repentant sinner. All I am saying is that forgiveness is sans sacrifice. God gave men the authority to forgive sins (Matthew 9:6) way before the death of Jesus. In fact, Paul reminds us that Jesus' death did nothing about sin in 1 Cor 15:17.
God forgets our sins when we are baptised in the name of Jesus (Acts 2:38; 22:16) even though it is “against logic” because God knows everything! He has promised to forget our sins. If we return to our sinful ways, “God forgets” our righteousness (Eze 33) even though He knows all. How can God forget if He knows everything? We must ignore His promises if they defy human logic! “We will be the judge of what God can and cannot do!”
Either he "forgets" sins, or it is a euphemism (I think that is pretty clearly what is going on), but he does not "forget" and "not forget" our sins. Is all I an doing in the video is saying we shouldn't believe things that clearly violate logic. A being cannot be omniscient and not omniscient at the same time. Luckily, the scriptures never call us to place our faith in a being like that.
Also, there are quite a few things the scriptures say God cannot do: lie, be tempted with evil, etc. So, I'm not trying to be the "judge of what God can and cannot do" just simply trying to follow scripture.
@@biblicalunitarian Have you done anything on Trinitarianism being critical doctrine? It obviously isn't, but I would like to hear your arguments on that.
@@gator7082 I haven't made a video on it yet, but I might, that's a great idea. Although John made a video about it awhile ago - th-cam.com/video/ClFbGDAYRIg/w-d-xo.html
@@biblicalunitarian Thanks, that's a good video. You guys do great work!
I agree with almost everything w/ biblical unitarian except the preexistence of Christ. The plain reading of the text says he was. That Jesus is preeminent in everything. That all things was created THROUGH Him. That before Abraham, He is. While He's not the most high, he surely was the son of God from the foundation of the world.
I'm open to be convinced otherwise.
I certainly think there are some pretty good arguments for pre-existence, much better than Jesus being equally God. I see how you could get pre-existence from verses like John 8:58, 1 Cor. 8:6. But we have explanations for those verses here - www.biblicalunitarian.com/videos/john-8-58b
Also, I'd like to point out that in regard to 1 Cor. 8:6, "and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and we are through him," notice that "we" (Christians) are through him. The "through" seems to be a New Testament time frame because it is used in reference to Christians. Now, this is such a vague phrase, what does it really mean to be "through" Christ, I don't think we can give an exact answer, but having this timeframe helps understand that he isn't talking about a pre-existence timeframe. The words "all things" often don't mean "all things" in the created universe, but "all things" in a specific context.
I think some of the strongest arguments against pre-existence are the fact that in the Synoptic Gospels there isn't even the slightest hint of pre-existence, which seems like a critical thing to leave out in your gospel about Jesus. And perhaps the next strongest argument is how in 18 different places in the New Testament where an Old Testament event is mentioned, Jesus is never once credited with doing the event or being present at the event, God is always the one credited. Here are a few examples: Matt. 19:4-6; Mark 10:6; Rom. 1:20; Acts 4:24; Tit. 1:2; 2 Pet. 1:21; 2 Pet. 2:4, 5, 6, 7 ; Heb. 7:1
This is extremely strange if he pre-existed, what exactly was he doing in his pre-existent state?
I'm a Muslim enjoying your videos!
I want to propose to you another subject regarding Unitarian Christianity! It still has one logical problem! How God sacrificed an innocent human for sinners!!! If he decided to forgive sins, why did he go through many steps while he's supposed to be God! Can decide whatever directly!
Jesus sacrificed himself to save the rest of mankind because we all have sinned and deserve death. There is no greater love than that a man lays down his life for his friends.
@@YeshuaCiHuYoshia Who decided that the death of Jesus would save all mankind!? If God decided to save all mankind why he need to kill Jesus!?
It's a great question. But it all goes back to the beginning of the story. God decided that the wages of sin would be death (he said to Adam, "the day you sin you will die"). I think he did this because he did not desire for sin to keep damaging things over and over again, so he needed to put an end to it.
So, because this is the principle God is working from, then that means that our sins deserve death. If God just forgave sin without giving it it's due recompense, then not only would he be breaking his own principle that "sin deserves death" (Rom. 6:23), but he would be unjust because "Well, for millions of people who trust in Jesus, sin doesn't really deserve death." So, through the death of Jesus, God is able to keep his principle that "sin deserves death" while also forgiving sinners who trust in Jesus' sacrifice.
@Yassine3333222222 God didn't kill Jesus. The religious leaders killed Jesus. God let it happen. Big difference.
The reason why his death redeems us is because we are counted as "one" in Christ (spiritually speaking).
@@biblicalunitarian Jesus had only the first death that everyone would experience in all cases! So, according to what you said, we're all going to pay for ourselves! We don't need Jesus because we will die like him anyway!
More than that, the sinners still didn't pay any price! So, if the sinners are not paying anything in all cases, why is God creating an innocent person to die! I still can't see the relation between Jesus's death and forgiveness of sinners!
Thanks for the hot take, I guess…
No one atoned for our sins. We must repent for the FORGIVENESS OF SINS. Pretty simply.
Romans 5:11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.
One doesn't have to be wrong. Both can be correct. Jesus prepared the way so our repentance would be acceptable.
@joettaqueen-ellenwood7711 REPENTANCE has always been the only atonement for willful sins.
@@joettaqueen-ellenwood7711 Repentance has been acceptable since the day Adam and Eve left the garden. Ask king David, Ezekiel, Jeremiah, Moses.
If Sin entered mankind through the disobedience of one man, Adam….then Sin can be atoned for by the obedience of one man, Jesus, and especially the shedding of his blood.
@@christopherestrada2474 Not necessary. Repentance atones for sins. And human sacrifice is forbidden by God. Read the WHOLE bible. He warned you about such pagan beliefs.
Does Jesus is sinned by his body? I am a Unitarian, but I don't accept that. Jesus lived holy life as a scripture said.
No, I was using that as an example that Trinitarians would not accept. We do not believe Jesus sinned at all.
No, because the Almighty is Spirit and cannot change. Jesus was His created begotten son born of a woman Jesus did wear diapers or whatever newborns wore those days, but the Almighty for sure did not wear diapers.
Jesus is the Almighty.
Jesus wasnt created at any time ever ....
@shure46
Bible says Jesus is the firstborn of all creation. I think that means he was created first.
@@CalebTheSeeker first born is a ancient Hebrew idiom meaning the ruler. In Psalms David is called the first born, but he was the youngest of Jessie's sons.
I will also appoint him my firstborn, the most exalted of the kings of the earth." (Psalm 89:27, NIV)
Although David was not literally the firstborn son of his family (he was the youngest of eight brothers), this passage speaks of his elevated position in God's eyes, symbolically designating him as the "firstborn" in terms of his status and authority, particularly as the chosen king
@@CalebTheSeeker so that means that Jesus is the ruler of all creation. And according to Colossians he is the creator of all creation.
Doesn't it say that he emptied himself when becoming human? So how does this argument make any sense. It appears to be a fallacy of your own making. Unless I'm wrong. Point me to where the doctrine of the Trinity purports what you said
Kenotic Trinitarians believe that Jesus emptied himself of his Divine attributes, i.e., he ceased to be God while on earth. Which is why most mainstream Trinitarians consider them to be heretics.
Most Mainstream Trinitarians think that Jesus preserves his natures in the incarnation (following the Chalcedonian Creed) and thus he is fully God and fully man while on earth. And thus, he is omniscient and not omniscient at the same time. That is what I am addressing in the video.
My responses to someone else keep disappearing. Hopefully this one will stay. Trinitarian proofs in scripture are John 1, Hebrews 1, Acts 13 :2, 1 Cor 12:11 & 1 Cor 2:10-11
Man is made in the image of God.... if man in the image of God wore diapers, then yes he did. 😊
Merry Christmas 🎅 🎄
I'm not sure I follow your logic. The coin is Caesar's image, the coin is not Caesar himself. If I do something to the coin, I am not doing that thing to Caesar himself. The image of God wore diapers, God didn't.
@biblicalunitarian Creation itself is an image of God, Adam is in that image along with it all as one image. God did not just decide one day to create an image, God is the image made manifest in Adam.
@achildofthelight4725 It appears you are not basing your comments off of what is revealed in Scripture. Is that correct?
@@joettaqueen-ellenwood7711 when the Lord God breathed through the nostrils of Adam, was he outside the temple, or inside?
The kingdom of God is within you, everything is made manifest within the flesh, the 🧠
@@joettaqueen-ellenwood7711 You are what you eat. We create our own experience, our own darkness and light, its the nature of The Law of Divine Oneness.
I debunked you
The Incarnation, the doctrine that God became man in Jesus Christ, is indeed a profound mystery. It is a core teaching of Christianity that does not rely solely on human logic but on divine revelation. The critique suggests that the simultaneous possession of divine and human natures leads to contradictions, such as how Jesus could be omniscient and not omniscient or omnipotent and yet limited. However, the doctrine does not assert that these two natures merge or cancel each other out. Instead, they coexist in the person of Jesus Christ without confusion or division. This is precisely what the Chalcedonian Definition affirms: Jesus is one person in two natures, fully God and fully man, with each nature retaining its properties.
The claim also misunderstands the biblical context. For example, when Luke 2:52 states that Jesus "grew in wisdom and stature," this describes his human nature. As a man, Jesus experienced growth and learning as all humans do. However, this does not negate his divine nature, which remains omniscient. The two natures operate in harmony but are distinct. To assert that this creates a contradiction is to impose human limitations on the divine mystery.
The critique also relies on a strawman argument, suggesting that Trinitarians believe Jesus was omnipresent and omnipotent as a baby in a human sense. This misunderstands the doctrine. The divine attributes of omnipresence, omnipotence, and omniscience belong to Jesus' divine nature, not his human nature. While Jesus, in his humanity, accepted limitations (e.g., hunger, fatigue), this does not diminish his divinity. Philippians 2:6-7 explains that Jesus, "being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant." This "emptying" (kenosis) does not imply losing divine attributes but rather choosing not to exercise them for the sake of his mission.
The argument's comparison to logic violations, such as claiming Jesus sinned in one nature but not the other, is a false analogy. Sin pertains to moral failure, which would compromise Jesus' divine mission as Savior. By contrast, the coexistence of two natures in Christ reflects the unique reality of the Incarnation, not a logical contradiction but a revealed mystery that surpasses human comprehension.
Furthermore, the assertion that the Bible never presents Jesus as fully God and fully man ignores the cumulative witness of Scripture. John 1:1 identifies the Word (Logos) as God, and John 1:14 affirms that the Word became flesh. Thomas's declaration in John 20:28, "My Lord and my God," directly addresses Jesus, acknowledging his deity. Philippians 2:6-11, Colossians 1:15-20, and Hebrews 1:3 further emphasize Christ's divine nature while affirming his humanity.
The suggestion that the Trinity or the dual natures of Christ originated from pagan influences is historically inaccurate. The doctrine of the Trinity and the Incarnation developed from the early Church's reflection on Scripture and the need to articulate the faith in response to heresies. While pagan religions had triads, they were fundamentally different from the Christian understanding of one God in three persons. The early Church Fathers, such as Athanasius and Augustine, defended these doctrines based on biblical revelation, not external influences.
In conclusion, the mystery of the Incarnation does not contradict logic but transcends it, requiring faith in divine revelation. The critique's reliance on human reasoning to dismiss the doctrine reflects a misunderstanding of the theological framework and the scriptural basis for the teaching. The Bible presents Jesus as fully God and fully man, a truth rooted in the profound mystery of God's love and salvation plan for humanity.
Two natures? No. "God...manifest in the flesh" (1 Timothy 3:16)? Yes. HUGE difference.
For whatever reason, Trinitarians and "Biblical" Unitarians alike are apparently unable to grasp the simple concept of an *omnipotent* Father who is *_actually_** capable* of expressing himself on earth in genuine human form _within_ our space-time continuum while also remaining unchanged according to his eternal existence _far beyond_ our space-time continuum.
If you're willing to believe the Father loves you enough to have laid down his own life for you, then he will show you who he truly is.
If you're not, he won't.
How did you leave out the old testament love for israel sans jesus…and that recognition …of said love
@@lucycarin
There's no such thing as love "sans Jesus". Jesus is the eternal God. And the eternal God IS love. Eternally.
@@euston2216eternal? Jesus is said to return the throne back to God. So you tell me…. Eternal?
@@euston2216 Jesus is not the father
the father is the only true god
then jesus is not the only true god.
God is all-knowing ALWAYS. When you say Jesus was fully God and fully man, you are contradicting yourself. If Jesus is fully God, then how come he had limited knowledge?? This is why some people don't believe in the trinity. It is illogical. It is a self-contradicting concept.
Many ex-trinitarians say their love and faith in Jesus grows when they realise he isn't God, but a man appointed and anointed by God to be the Saviour of mankind. Beautiful! And also scriptural.
Johnny has a hard time comprehending the Nature of God, and sure did a great demonstation of his ignorance here.
It is unnecessary to be demeaning. I don't believe you'll find anywhere in Scripture where Jesus demanded anyone.
@@joettaqueen-ellenwood7711 What is unncessary, is conjecture, speculation, slop apologetics, and seeking to be recognized on TH-cam for obscure, esoteric ideas that simply are not glorifying of God! Jesus made many demands! Do you not obey Him??!?
Taken from @ApatiEktetheimenos channel,,, “Take no part in the worthless deeds of evil and darkness; instead, expose them. Eph 5:11
Exposing fraud is the hard work of the very few who have the wisdom, guts and passion to protect the innocent.” Yet walks in darkness, and mocks those who expose it. Oh the irony…
You cannot make God this lab experiment. It was not logical for Him to die for us. If you do not believe Jesus was and is God, then you cannot be saved. It even says in the Word that all power was given to Him. He became less than He was, just to die for our sorry hides.
Your idea is incorrect nor has any match to the old testament favor of israel sans jesus
@@lucycarin I will not argue with you about this. Everything I said is in the Word.
everything you said you have found in the word. That word that was spoken by God in the beginning, and recorded for us to read.
however reading in the correct order to local context is very important, because if you get it out of order it can lead to people saying faulty logic, like you did here.
All power was given him, yes, and authority in heaven and earth. You failed to notice when it was given to him!
When he was raised to Gods right hand after being killed and buried 3 days. That was when he was given that power.
Meaning he didnt have it previously like when he was in diapers and growing up learning, and when he went about in Lebanon while God attested to him being Gods messiah, by performing miracles THROUGH him. acts2:22.
Its just like the foreshadow to the event, in Genesis we read about Joseph, a lowly servant, who is raised by Pharaoh and GIVEN POWER AND AUTHORITY IN ALL OF PHARAOHS KINGDOM. Higher than all other egyptians, except Pharaoh himself.
Same principle, written earlier in Gods word so the reader will see the similarity and say "aha, and hey look, Joseph wasnt even egyptian! perhaps Jesus isnt even God.
God raised Jesus, the one he anointed, and glorified him higher than angels, because of his obedience.
God is all-knowing ALWAYS. When you say Jesus was fully God and fully man, you are contradicting yourself. If Jesus is fully God, then how come he had limited knowledge?? This is why some people don't believe in the trinity. It is illogical. It is a self-contradicting concept.
Following the laws of logic is not making God into a lab experiment. The laws of logic help us identify truth, and when things violate the laws of logic, they identify error.
Thus, when Trinitarians claim that Jesus is omniscient and not omniscient and that he has one mind, that violates the laws of logic. Luckily, the Bible doesn't actually violate the laws of logic because Jesus himself agrees that he does not know all things (Mark 13:32).
christ is ABOVE ALL EN ANYTHING created EXCEPT HIS FAHTER GOD YAH
who made him en gave him power en status en raised him from death
his blood saves us sinners en we all will bow to him en worship him for GOD YAH says so
1 lord mediator CHRIST
en 1 LORD GOD YAH THE FATHER
timothy 2,5 en john 17,3
funny you think Jesus is God...
We don't think that...