Absolutely nothing wrong with how you did this. I have 42 years as a commercial/industrial technician....your approach, implementation, creativity and workmanship is better than a lot of experienced professionals. Being able to make what you already have or can obtain quickly to complete the job so it looks and works properly is a talent. Never apologize for the need to retrofit by the seat of your pants as long as it’s safe and the smoke supply remains intact......mostly. Great video Everett!
Thanks Ken, I appreciate that. I don't want to be known as a hack - we're all human and make mistakes, but especially with electrical stuff I don't want to bodge stuff together. Thankfully the smoke hasn't escaped yet (that's why the boxes are sealed to keep it in, lol!)
Nice job Everett. One of the things I enjoy about your videos is your humility. No fancy equipment, just Joe Average working in his home workshop and sharing with his friends. Feels like Saturday afternoon at the neighbor's house. Keep it up! 4K coming soon!
Thanks for the kind words, Gary. Glad you like what's on the go here, it really is just taking video of whatever I'm up to at the time, like a lot of people here on TH-cam.
Thanks for the video Everett, it's always interesting to see how someone else approaches things. It's going to be great having the ability to reverse the mill. Nice work there!
Thanks! This is just how I figured would be best to get this installed. A 2-position switch would have worked too once the cams were re-timed, but I'm happy with the results.
If your motor ever goes out, (or even if it doesn't) get a 3 phase motor & a VFD. I have a gearhead Harbor Freight/ RongFu mill/drill & I installed a 3 phase motor & a VFD. Sooo sweet. Makes power tapping a breeze. BTW, great videos.
Seen a number of others who put VFD's on their machines and that would be cool at some point as it offers a lot of advantages, but at this point I can't justify the cost of it. If the motor dies at some point it will be an option but for now this will have to work.
Hey Howie, just been meaning to do this for a while, now to try power tapping and see how many can twist off, lol! That and being able to use the boring head for an external journal will be useful. Hopefully this can be of use if you're thinking of putting reverse on yours too. Let me know if you would like the wiring diagram.
Great work again. That was a bit more complicated than I thought it was going to be, but I didn't take in account keeping the on/off switch you already had. I hope you get a lot of use out of it now.
That is a neat job, I like the use of the outdoor boxes. Now you have an working forward and reverse, that comes in handy for some other things besides power tapping.
What a really nice gift he sent to you Everett, this will be nice. Gray enough in color match it is dead on through the camera? No you are not the boxes you selected are what it is we would use here, not saying we are right or wrong but you are doing this sealed box build correct, in our minds. Lucky you, your milling machine original wiring in that original enclosure is really clean nice to start your addition with we usually see so much questionable wires dirt and grime and well mystery items in those original boxes, what we are saying is you get to keep your hands and tools clean while doing your modifications. Cutting plastic is always stringy for us as we cut Delrin often messy and stringy so it is we agree strange. No one ever said or wrote (that these two recall) that the terminal block cannot run corner to corner as far as we know so good solve to keep your build going and not having to wait to receive a shorter terminal block. You did a great wiring job, Lance & Patrick.
Hey Fellas, hope you're doing well. Thankfully I'm the first owner of this thing like you say and the wiring label was still intact. I hate sloppy wiring jobs so that's why the boxes and fittings were chosen, and while the terminal block isn't perfect at an angle it is solid and safe. Looking forward to having new operations available like left hand drills, power tapping, etc.
Those rotary switches are very versatile. You made a nice job on all that and trying to keep camera doing good sure makes the work harder - you managed some very good views. Working methodically and carefully is always way to go. Very successful and useful project. :)
Thanks Chris, it's more to give an idea of how I went about it and not that it's the only way to do it. Just what made the most sense to me, one revision I would make in retrospect is use a 2-position switch next time. No biggie.
Nice job. I like to see how yo made it all neat and tidy. Certainly one of my pet peeves is wiring all helter skelter every where. I recently did the same to my mini mill and you will love having reverse!
Thanks, glad you found it interesting - it really is odd how some machines came with and some without the reverse function, and price of the machine is not necessarily coincident with number of features that it has.
Thanks! Glad you liked the process, as you know it is handy to be able to reverse the quill. Looking forward to using left-handed drills, boring head in reverse, etc.
My Craftex bench top mill came with reverse right from factory. I think it was made around 2005 the dark green and yellow Craftex model's.Oh and sorry for not responding to your email.I'll get on that I totally forgot lol.Great video!!!
Thanks! A couple things I would do differently if needing to do again but it did work well for me. And now works well for my buddy who bought the mill from me, lol!
Nicely done. Some things to look out for if anyone else does this: Those plastic switches can be feindishly difficult to reassemble if you ever try to take one apart. The last one I opened had almost 50 parts in it and no markings of any kind to aid in reassembley. If you're lucky you will just blow the motor capacitor if you get it wrong. Chinese wiring has nothing to do with any wiring standard. It's not unusual for the wiring diagrams in the owners manual not to match either the switch cover or motor cover diagrams. Best advice is to follow the diagram on the motor itself. On some of the early Rong Fu style mills (like mine) you may find a wire in the harness between the switch and the motor that isn't hooked to anything. It's use depends on who made the motor if that wire is to be used. So if it's not hooked up, ignore it.
Thanks! Just hoping it can be helpful to someone. You are totally right about the switches being fiddly to reassemble, it took a little while for me to get the cams timed right and then the contact banks back in place with the contacts and springs correctly positioned. I hear you about the lack of wiring standards over there - seen some less than stellar wiring on some of my other tools. Like I said to everyone, do your homework before doing anything like this as you want to be safe.
I just got one of these milling machines and have been looking how to make it go in reverse for power taping thank you so much!!! Where can you get those switches?
Hi Miles, I got the switch from Amazon, but would go with a 2-position instead of a 3-position if I was to do it again. I replied to your email with the diagram and the switch sale page, hopefully that will help.
Maybe that was it, I don't know how I came to that conclusion. Guess I didn't need to be envious then, lol. One way or another, you've got yours set up nicely with the stuff you've added.
Thanks Anthony! I'll send you a copy of the diagram, hopefully your drill press motor has a diagram of which terminal is which and access to the start winding wires.
Hi, could you please forward a copy to me also. It would be helpful to add this to the file I have for my rong fu mill. I would like to have reverse available, should I revert to single phase in the future.
Good job Everett I enjoyed video if interested I can send a link to a gentleman in Queensland to move up and down without losing positioning supposedly but I can't guarantee it as I never got one. Joe
Thanks Joe, but I have seen Bruce Whitham's invention - it looks promising but I have something else I'm going to try one of these days. One of the many things on the list, will get to it at some point. Thanks for thinking of me though!
My friend Eldon and I are in the long process of making a couple ball turners as a collaboration - he got his part done then my shaper showed up, lol. Once the shaper is done then I can finish making my parts and the first balls will be handles for the mill.
Power Tapping, here we come, hope not for broken taps removal, though.... ;) Jokes asside, power tapping whe well performed, is safer than hand tapping, at least in my experience. Claen set-up...!!! ;)
Thanks Pierre, the whole power tapping adventure will come soon enough. Cracked off a few carbon taps over the years and had to grind them out but the HSS ones seem to survive better. Looking forward to being able to use left-hand tools like left-hand drills to pull broken bolts.
Oh man, we all edit but there's only so much one can edit out. I did make a couple changes mid-build but didn't want the video to go too long so those weren't included. No 'perfect' projects here, we all make mistakes and errors, the trick is to learn from our and others' mistakes . . . hopefully . . . If I make it to 100 videos I might go through and compile my best screw-ups, we'll see. Thanks for joining in!
By adding a rotary switch configured to switch which winding is connected to the start capacitor you can reverse the motor. I have a basic wiring diagram that I came up with, and if you would like a copy you are more than welcome to it. Just email me at everettsworkshop@gmail.com and one will be beaming your way. Might be clearer with a schematic, I find they help clear things up for me.
@@EverettsWorkshop Thanks, Everett, I'll do that. The key to reversing, as I thought is having wiring into the windings. I just repurposed an old Milwaukie Hole Shooter ½" drill motor to work as a head elevator on my mill. Had 2 drills, 1 reversing & 1 not. The non-reverser doesn't have leads straight into the field windings like the reversing drill did. Still might be able to get some leads into them, the chuck has 40+ yrs of seniority & isn't giving in, easily. LOL Thanks GeoD
How do l get hold of you lm interested in installing a reverse switch on my mill drill. I’m new to using you tube for machining info and l have no idea where you are located.
Hello Wayne! Shoot me an email, I can send you the wiring diagram I used for my mill, it might help in figuring out where you would need to tap in to your junction box. I live near Edmonton, Alberta, Canada but you can email me at everettsworkshop@gmail.com
Lol, yeah, I like the beats and it's cool when I can understand the odd words or phrases. That is sometimes on in the background when the camera isn't recording, mostly because of TH-cam's very serious copyright rules and processes.
Shoot me an email at everettsworkshop@gmail.com - send me email anytime, I'm usually on that one pretty closely even though the last couple days have been lax.
Absolutely nothing wrong with how you did this. I have 42 years as a commercial/industrial technician....your approach, implementation, creativity and workmanship is better than a lot of experienced professionals. Being able to make what you already have or can obtain quickly to complete the job so it looks and works properly is a talent. Never apologize for the need to retrofit by the seat of your pants as long as it’s safe and the smoke supply remains intact......mostly. Great video Everett!
Thanks Ken, I appreciate that. I don't want to be known as a hack - we're all human and make mistakes, but especially with electrical stuff I don't want to bodge stuff together. Thankfully the smoke hasn't escaped yet (that's why the boxes are sealed to keep it in, lol!)
Nice job Everett. One of the things I enjoy about your videos is your humility. No fancy equipment, just Joe Average working in his home workshop and sharing with his friends. Feels like Saturday afternoon at the neighbor's house. Keep it up! 4K coming soon!
Thanks for the kind words, Gary. Glad you like what's on the go here, it really is just taking video of whatever I'm up to at the time, like a lot of people here on TH-cam.
It’s so easy to take things for granted, such has having reverse. I don’t know how you made it without it. Good for you!🙏🏻
It will be handy for a few things, like using a boring head in reverse to cut the outside of a journal.
Thanks for the video Everett, it's always interesting to see how someone else approaches things. It's going to be great having the ability to reverse the mill. Nice work there!
Thanks! This is just how I figured would be best to get this installed. A 2-position switch would have worked too once the cams were re-timed, but I'm happy with the results.
If your motor ever goes out, (or even if it doesn't) get a 3 phase motor & a VFD. I have a gearhead Harbor Freight/ RongFu mill/drill & I installed a 3 phase motor & a VFD. Sooo sweet. Makes power tapping a breeze. BTW, great videos.
Seen a number of others who put VFD's on their machines and that would be cool at some point as it offers a lot of advantages, but at this point I can't justify the cost of it. If the motor dies at some point it will be an option but for now this will have to work.
That is a good upgrade Everett.
Thanks, I know it will come in handy
That looks pretty handy Everett, thanks for the inspiration.
Hey Howie, just been meaning to do this for a while, now to try power tapping and see how many can twist off, lol! That and being able to use the boring head for an external journal will be useful. Hopefully this can be of use if you're thinking of putting reverse on yours too. Let me know if you would like the wiring diagram.
That's a nice upgrade, Everett.
Thanks, I'm looking forward to having some new available operations with left-hand tooling
Great work again. That was a bit more complicated than I thought it was going to be, but I didn't take in account keeping the on/off switch you already had. I hope you get a lot of use out of it now.
Thanks again, it will open up a few other operation options. I wanted to keep the existing switch as it is CSA approved with that switch.
Nicely Done Everett!
Thanks! Been meaning to do it for a while, ever since seeing Harold's mill and coveting his reverse feature . . . lol
That is a neat job, I like the use of the outdoor boxes. Now you have an working forward and reverse, that comes in handy for some other things besides power tapping.
Thanks Jim, it should open up some other operations, that's for sure, like using a boring head on an external feature
Clean installation Everett, very nice!
Thanks! Looking forward to using the new function as it opens up some new available operations.
What a really nice gift he sent to you Everett, this will be nice. Gray enough in color match it is dead on through the camera? No you are not the boxes you selected are what it is we would use here, not saying we are right or wrong but you are doing this sealed box build correct, in our minds. Lucky you, your milling machine original wiring in that original enclosure is really clean nice to start your addition with we usually see so much questionable wires dirt and grime and well mystery items in those original boxes, what we are saying is you get to keep your hands and tools clean while doing your modifications.
Cutting plastic is always stringy for us as we cut Delrin often messy and stringy so it is we agree strange. No one ever said or wrote (that these two recall) that the terminal block cannot run corner to corner as far as we know so good solve to keep your build going and not having to wait to receive a shorter terminal block.
You did a great wiring job, Lance & Patrick.
Hey Fellas, hope you're doing well. Thankfully I'm the first owner of this thing like you say and the wiring label was still intact. I hate sloppy wiring jobs so that's why the boxes and fittings were chosen, and while the terminal block isn't perfect at an angle it is solid and safe. Looking forward to having new operations available like left hand drills, power tapping, etc.
Good work. Looks nice and works. Thank you
Thanks Donald, it isn't used all the time but sure comes in handy for certain operations!
Those rotary switches are very versatile.
You made a nice job on all that and trying to keep camera doing good sure makes the work harder - you managed some very good views. Working methodically and carefully is always way to go.
Very successful and useful project. :)
Thanks Chris, it's more to give an idea of how I went about it and not that it's the only way to do it. Just what made the most sense to me, one revision I would make in retrospect is use a 2-position switch next time. No biggie.
Nice job. I like to see how yo made it all neat and tidy. Certainly one of my pet peeves is wiring all helter skelter every where. I recently did the same to my mini mill and you will love having reverse!
Thanks! After having to chase aftermarket wiring rats' nests in cars, I agree that bad wiring is annoying. Looking forward to trying it out.
My Enco had reverse, so was interesting seeing you do this.
Thanks, glad you found it interesting - it really is odd how some machines came with and some without the reverse function, and price of the machine is not necessarily coincident with number of features that it has.
I have reverse on my mill and it sure is handy .. ENJOYED ! ..Great job ..
Thanks! Glad you liked the process, as you know it is handy to be able to reverse the quill. Looking forward to using left-handed drills, boring head in reverse, etc.
@@EverettsWorkshop For sure !!
My Craftex bench top mill came with reverse right from factory. I think it was made around 2005 the dark green and yellow Craftex model's.Oh and sorry for not responding to your email.I'll get on that I totally forgot lol.Great video!!!
Thanks, glad you liked it. That's cool that your unit came with reverse already, I'm looking forward to using this function.
Nice neat job.
Thanks! A couple things I would do differently if needing to do again but it did work well for me. And now works well for my buddy who bought the mill from me, lol!
Nicely done. Thank you for sharing.
Thanks for the compliment and thanks for wanting to watch!
Nicely done. Some things to look out for if anyone else does this:
Those plastic switches can be feindishly difficult to reassemble if you ever try to take one apart. The last one I opened had almost 50 parts in it and no markings of any kind to aid in reassembley. If you're lucky you will just blow the motor capacitor if you get it wrong.
Chinese wiring has nothing to do with any wiring standard. It's not unusual for the wiring diagrams in the owners manual not to match either the switch cover or motor cover diagrams. Best advice is to follow the diagram on the motor itself.
On some of the early Rong Fu style mills (like mine) you may find a wire in the harness between the switch and the motor that isn't hooked to anything. It's use depends on who made the motor if that wire is to be used. So if it's not hooked up, ignore it.
Thanks! Just hoping it can be helpful to someone. You are totally right about the switches being fiddly to reassemble, it took a little while for me to get the cams timed right and then the contact banks back in place with the contacts and springs correctly positioned. I hear you about the lack of wiring standards over there - seen some less than stellar wiring on some of my other tools. Like I said to everyone, do your homework before doing anything like this as you want to be safe.
I just got one of these milling machines and have been looking how to make it go in reverse for power taping thank you so much!!! Where can you get those switches?
Hi Miles, I got the switch from Amazon, but would go with a 2-position instead of a 3-position if I was to do it again. I replied to your email with the diagram and the switch sale page, hopefully that will help.
That will come in handy for sure. Actually I do not have reverse on my machine. I have intended to set it up for a long time now but so far I haven't.
Wow, really? I totally thought you had that on yours. Sorry for the mistake, I thought that was the extra switch on your control panel.
@@EverettsWorkshop you may have seen me using my tapmatic. It works just like reversing a motor.
Maybe that was it, I don't know how I came to that conclusion. Guess I didn't need to be envious then, lol. One way or another, you've got yours set up nicely with the stuff you've added.
Awesome video! Please send me a copy of schematic. Got a drill press i am going to put reverse on.⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
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Thanks Anthony! I'll send you a copy of the diagram, hopefully your drill press motor has a diagram of which terminal is which and access to the start winding wires.
Hi, could you please forward a copy to me also. It would be helpful to add this to the file I have for my rong fu mill. I would like to have reverse available, should I revert to single phase in the future.
Kudos!
Thanks! Glad you liked it!
A rev switch will open up the capabilities of your machine more than you realise , left hand end mills etc the list goes on .
Yeah, I'm looking forward to using that feature now. Not the least of which is left hand drills to pull broken bolts.
Good job Everett I enjoyed video if interested I can send a link to a gentleman in Queensland to move up and down without losing positioning supposedly but I can't guarantee it as I never got one. Joe
Thanks Joe, but I have seen Bruce Whitham's invention - it looks promising but I have something else I'm going to try one of these days. One of the many things on the list, will get to it at some point. Thanks for thinking of me though!
old pool balls would look good on your mill for knobs
My friend Eldon and I are in the long process of making a couple ball turners as a collaboration - he got his part done then my shaper showed up, lol. Once the shaper is done then I can finish making my parts and the first balls will be handles for the mill.
Power Tapping, here we come, hope not for broken taps removal, though.... ;)
Jokes asside, power tapping whe well performed, is safer than hand tapping, at least in my experience.
Claen set-up...!!! ;)
Thanks Pierre, the whole power tapping adventure will come soon enough. Cracked off a few carbon taps over the years and had to grind them out but the HSS ones seem to survive better. Looking forward to being able to use left-hand tools like left-hand drills to pull broken bolts.
Any project without mistakes is probably edited for content. ;-)
Oh man, we all edit but there's only so much one can edit out. I did make a couple changes mid-build but didn't want the video to go too long so those weren't included. No 'perfect' projects here, we all make mistakes and errors, the trick is to learn from our and others' mistakes . . . hopefully . . . If I make it to 100 videos I might go through and compile my best screw-ups, we'll see. Thanks for joining in!
Missed the part where you determined how to wire it to reverse the motor.
By adding a rotary switch configured to switch which winding is connected to the start capacitor you can reverse the motor. I have a basic wiring diagram that I came up with, and if you would like a copy you are more than welcome to it. Just email me at everettsworkshop@gmail.com and one will be beaming your way. Might be clearer with a schematic, I find they help clear things up for me.
@@EverettsWorkshop Thanks, Everett, I'll do that. The key to reversing, as I thought is having wiring into the windings.
I just repurposed an old Milwaukie Hole Shooter ½" drill motor to work as a head elevator on my mill. Had 2 drills, 1 reversing & 1 not.
The non-reverser doesn't have leads straight into the field windings like the reversing drill did.
Still might be able to get some leads into them, the chuck has 40+ yrs of seniority & isn't giving in, easily. LOL
Thanks
GeoD
How do l get hold of you lm interested in installing a reverse switch on my mill drill. I’m new to using you tube for machining info and l have no idea where you are located.
Hello Wayne! Shoot me an email, I can send you the wiring diagram I used for my mill, it might help in figuring out where you would need to tap in to your junction box. I live near Edmonton, Alberta, Canada but you can email me at everettsworkshop@gmail.com
Russian club hits!!.
Lol, yeah, I like the beats and it's cool when I can understand the odd words or phrases. That is sometimes on in the background when the camera isn't recording, mostly because of TH-cam's very serious copyright rules and processes.
What's the best way to get a hold of you?
Shoot me an email at everettsworkshop@gmail.com - send me email anytime, I'm usually on that one pretty closely even though the last couple days have been lax.