The range is very bad compared to other EV in the same category. In the very cold winter, it will be an issue because the batteries will be inefficient and you charged it only to 80% you won’t get the full range. So I am a little bit concerned about the range.
Exactly, compared to what's available in US 3row EVs it's a bargain. You need nearly 100k otherwise. One of those companies, Rivian was awarded in Consumer Reports list of the most *unreliable* brands for 2024. Yes unreliable, there's a video on TH-cam if you don't believe me. Check their channel.
@@mrchickenchance1753The ones that also nearly double the price? You are aware in the United States there is less than a handful, all luxury brands plus costing 100k base.
I feel beyond lucky to have randomly showed up at my local Kia dealership the day after the EV9s were delivered last month. I signed that day. I have put over 3k miles on my GT and it is easily the single most enjoyable purchase of my life.
i can’t believe you complained about the 3rd row not being power folding. it’s so much easier to pull the strap and lower it. plus nothing to break and it’s lighter.
@@clintsimone but your audience doesn’t seem to like the idea of power folding 3rd row. anyway, don’t let that take away from your otherwise great review!
Ordered the GT-Line AWD and received it 6 days ago. OMG I love it!! Mine is fully loaded and has power seat drop. So comfortable and so smooth! And like you commented, feels expensive. Compared to other luxury 3 rows though, it is much less expensive. It also has more 3rd row leg room than any other 3 row EV. I travel with adults that need to sit in the 3rd row and this has more room than my Highlander Hybrid. I’ll follow up after my first full month 😊
@@brianjonesphoto I will have it on Monday. It's been at my dealer for almost three weeks now. I've just been waiting for the license plate - unfortunately that sometimes takes a bit longer in Germany. I ordered it at the beginning of November.
@@MrJackie8oy this is awesome! In Sacramento they asked for 5 k and 7.5 k mark-ups, 2 different dealers...thanks for sharing! Ocean Blue is our choice also!!
I don’t understand why price is an issue when 1/2 trucks in US is $80-90K? McD Big Mac meal deal is $10.00!! Average minivan is $45K EV isn’t for all but those who are convinced, most of them are not going back to ICE. This is a great vehicle and for what you get at any price is better than anything out there. Especially better than any Teslas!! Test drive it and talk.
It’s also because insurance rates on this will also be high. The savings in gas will not make up the difference. Again, like was said in the video and the fact that it’s happening now, they are just selling really slow because of pricing range as well. You cannot go on a long haul family trip without range anxiety.
great looks, very powerful GT line, loads of room, Kia just nailed it. Compared to model X and Volvo SC90, it is 20 thousand dollars cheaper. Right Now this is the only real electric SUV available. Well done Kia. Already ordered one.
R1S, 7500 credit and no dealer markups will probably make it the same as EV9 if not cheaper. Larger, more features IMO and American company and American made (I know EV9 will be made in GA).
Just test drove GT & Wind yesterday. Absolutely blown away. Road feel, suspension, & dampening is just spot on. Ride is excellent. Interior is just so nice. Second row leg row is just massive. Best 3row EV suv on the market. And one of the best 3row SUVs period (ICE, EV, Hybrid, etc). I would have purchased the EV9 already if not for one thing - charging. As this will be my long hauler, on road charging has to be convenient. I have a Tesla MYLR. Long road trips are doable but slightly inconvenient/pain utilizing the Tesla Supercharger network. And the Tesla Supercharger network is AMAZING! I just can’t imagine getting an EV that can’t be a part of the Tesla Supercharger network. Chargepoint, EV Go, etc is just unreliable and not confidence inducing. I understand Kia is “in talks” w Tesla to be a part of their network. But until that’s official, it’s hard to pull the trigger on an EV9. An EV9 with a NACS charging port and access to Tesla Supercharger network will be the game changer. Many people will buy it then. (An onboard spare tire would be nice too! And 2nd row bench option on GT and other upper level trims as well! Please Kia!!!) Was about to get a Rivian R1S before driving EV9. EV9 is just so much superior is so many ways. Though R1S would crush it off-roading. I’ve driven and owned a lot of cars. It’s not too often that a new car exceeds my hopes and expectation. But man, did the EV9 impress! Can’t wait to get one.
Ummm why would price be the problem here? Classic: ”Because it’s a Kia?” It’s tens of thousands less expensive than its main rivals and the availability beats the EX90 by over a year in waiting time. I actually dont see why the Kia actually has to be cheaper than the volvo when you look at in in terms of factual features, charging perfofmance, room, design and ownership costs.
Volvo is owned by Chinese company. It is not premium brand at this moment. Volvo made a premium brand Polstar which proves Volvo is not premium brand anymore.
Totally agree. Time wasters just so you can stand there showing off those folding seats. When in a hurry, just watching those people lose their shit waiting for the seats to go down is hilarious. Seen a few people in that scenario.
We reserved the EV-9 GT line. I have been watching for it since about January 2023 when I first heard about it. I have a family of 6, with all of us being over 5'9" (except the baby of the family, but he's still growing and is currently over 5'5"). We got to sit in it and play with controls, just not test drive it. However, the concern was the cargo space and leg room for kids clearing 6' in the third row! We believe it will pass, but the dealership has agreed to put on a tow package to ensure extra space on the tail if we need it. We are also excited to tow a pop-up camper with this vehicle!!! We were expecting to have to wait until March-May, but have just been told we will be receiving one of the first ones in mid-January!!! We are so excited and grateful for this opportunity! Now we just upgrade the house for an EV!!!
I've ordered one. Want to drive it myself to confirm what the reviewers say but it looks very good. Regarding price, yes it's expensive, BUT we'll use the bidirectional charging for power backup and to save on time of use electric rates. This thing has the equivalent of SIX Tesla Powerwalls battery storage and those things are $12K each. So, when I consider that I'm getting $72K worth of battery backup for my house, this thing is pretty cheap.
Seems like a well designed large EV. Price is what it is in today’s era though would be cool to see a review of the base model to see how it differs in terms of feel, features and such.
Yes, would buy it! On the waitlist already at my local dealer. Still costs a whole lot less than the next available 7-seater EV options: Volvo EX90 and Tesla Model X.
The Volvo EX90 is fairly priced at 78K. It’s smaller on the inside but it should have significantly more range (111kwh battery). I’m with you though, I’d pick the EV9 over it, but the EX90 ain’t horrible. Also anyone with the old R1S pre orders are extremely lucky. Can’t beat that 75-80K price for so much more performance, range, and capability.
Reserved the GT line, top of the trim. We took the test drive a couple of times, and loved it. The sheer amount of space when the 3rd row is folded, it's amazing for a roadtrip. Here in Belgium, we get electric controlled 6 seats option. Interested to see a video about the range test! Can you please share more details? Also the charging curve.
I don't get why people testing the third row don't move the second row forward. There is plenty of space in the second row and any real situation would move it to give folks on the back more space.
@@carl5438 Unless you're leasing the vehicle or on a road trip...why would you ever supercharge your batteries? Yes I am talking about preserving battery condition.
Very nice review. $9,000 more for the top of the line minus some horse power. You never mention gas and maintenance savings. 5 years into owning two different EVs and I can tell you it’s a lot of savings. Currently driving the Kia EV6. Also EVs are a much better ride in every aspect. Be real about the numbers if you are talking price.
I reserved one, and I'll decide what to do when I can actually drive it. I have seen it in person, and it looks pretty good. Also definitely spacious. A question on the Edmunds range test: Was this a simulated highway test, or a simulated city/highway combo? If that's 306 miles highway, it's an amazing result and might be enough to make me forget about range/charging anxiety. Thanks for the review!
City/Highway mix. Edmund's uses a 60 city/40 highway split because we think it represents how most current EVs are utilized (of course everyone's use case will be different). Congrats on the new car!
@@naveenthemachine so this is top of its class of itself? And sure there is something to be said about them being the first to bring this segment to market. Maybe saying it’s top of its class isn’t the correct term to use right now, instead maybe saying KIA is breaking new ground or something.
I've been driving the Light Long Range for a couple weeks now and have 0 complaints about the lower power. It can slam you in your seat from a stand still, and still move pretty quick at higher speeds. Took it on a 800 mi road trip and had 0 complaints. My wife loved riding in the passenger seat, said it was a huge upgrade from our other cars.
The part where the mock family was the best part. Every episode should have every seat filled in the car being reviewed. It gives you a good idea from multiple opinions on different vantage points.
I think this was a missed opportunity. The GT Line comes with a digital rearview mirror (which I think was active during the video). With that on, you can use the entire cargo area up to the ceiling without obstruction.
If Kia made a pickup version of the EV9, it'll be so much better than the Cybertruck, especially in looks department. Of course, Kia knows that the Cybertruck won't sell well so they know there's no point.
We ordered one! I've been waiting for an all-electric family vehicle with captain chairs in the 2nd row. We opted for GT to get the highest horse power and battery life with all the bells and whistles.
10km a month doing ride sharing with my Telluride. I'll save enough on fuel alone to pay for it and wheelbarrows of cash left over. Can't wait. @@avis1978
Add another $15K markup and you're to be around $80K. Imagine paying $80K for a Kia. It's nice and Kia has gone a long way but I would look elsewhere first.
Mine arrives January. With power folding third row! We don’t have the Telluride in the UK. For us it’s up against diesel SUVs that are at the luxury end of the market and spec for spec it’s between £20K and £50K cheaper.
Its around or a bit over 90k€ in Finland. Me as a 29 year old dog owner would get this in a heartbeat if I were to switch away from Model Y and I had the extra money. What a car.
🔥 I’ve been in love with this truck since it was announced. I’m finally picking up my EV9 GT Line in the Ice Green color tomorrow and tonight I can’t sleep I’m so excited…😂
@4:33 why not put the larger RED one on top of the other RED one, then you only have to deal with a smaller blue one in the car. Can instantly tell you don't actually pack your shopping at the supermarket or your own car's normally. Also "no powered rear row" .... 10x faster manually.
I was planning to buy her younger sister EV6 but I canceled when I found out that it was priced at $68,000!! (According to the local agent in my country)
$79k? Ugh. Cybertruck AWD is $79k - $7500 tax credit (yes, have a relatively low reservation number) or Model Y Performance for $52,490 -$7500 tax credit. Unless you really need the 6th seat… I dunno if it makes much sense at that price point. Even if you’re not a Cybertruck fan, there is still the Rivian R1-T Dual Motor with large battery pack that falls around $81k. As nice as the EV9 might be… that price makes it MUCH less compelling.
For anyone that cares. I was just at a Kia Dealership and we went from an EV9 GT Line to a Telluride SX prestige and I can say the tech was similar, but the EV9 is MUCH better overall quality. Too much hard materials in the Telluride, where the EV9 was silky all over. My wife hates 'soft touch' plastic or whatever it is and it is everywhere on the Telluride. EV9 is not an electric Telluride, it is a better car period.
Reserved a fully loaded GT-line. As a young family of four that is interested in EV technology, there honestly is no other option that checked all of the boxes. I’m not interested in paying more for off-roading prowess that I’ll never need so that rules out the Rivian. The Model X is not large enough. Lucid just announced their Gravity SUV but initial reports were that the third row is nothing to write home about. Same goes for the Volvo EX90. The only non-EV contender in my mind was the new Grand Highlander which is a compelling option but I’m just not impressed with Toyota interiors not to mention every recent Toyota door I’ve shut has sounded like a tin can - and for “only” a 20k difference for EV power/convenience and the nicer looks and amenities, the EV9 seems like the clear winner. And aside from the fact that it fits the bill for my family’s needs, they really seemed to try and go above and beyond in all that it’s doing here. Since the EV9 was first announced a couple years ago I’ve watched for updates every few days and while every other company had the chance to put forth their competitors, no one has yet to do it in this class. Overall the choice was easy and I can’t wait to get mine.
"Absolutely impressed by the in-depth review of the 2024 Kia EV9! 🌟 The range test provided valuable insights into the electric capabilities of this SUV, and it's clear that Kia has taken electric vehicles to a whole new level with the EV9. The comparison to the Electric Telluride is a great touch, showcasing the evolution in Kia's electric offerings. Kudos to the team for the thorough examination, and it's exciting to see how electric vehicles are becoming more practical and efficient. Looking forward to more comprehensive reviews like this in the future! 🔋⚡"
Why would Edmunds promote the speedy 0-60 mph acceleration and why manufacturers keep putting so much power in the hands of drivers who have no business having so much power instead of focusing on range and efficiency at a much better pricing?
I'm one of those who's waiting for better range. Also concerned about charging stations in an area of small towns. Maybe in a couple of years both concerns will be behind us? I have a 2022 Telly and I really like it.
The New Zealand GT Line has digital side mirrors with screens inside the doors and power operated 3rd row seats, amongst few other things compared to this USA model. I just checked out one today at the KIA Wellington city dealership.
Since we are getting $12000 government incentive to buy EV vehicle in Canada, I think this is a good buy. The Telluride is one of the best SUV 3rd row so either you buy the EV9 or Telluride you are making a good choice.
At least you tested with a full load of passengers, but no cold weather test or with a cargo box on the top. a common way to travel with multiple passengers.
How funny Tesla was so far ahead of everyone, and because their incompetence at CEO level, they GAVE UP their advantage. Instead of investing in a bizarre truck, that will sell in niche volumes after the initial excitement. They could have been making proper SUVs, what people want. 😂
Can you comment on IRA tax credit and shift to Georgia plant? That would satisfy half the criteria bit notnaure avout minerals and components of battery?
I think the important question is, when will the prices of EV's start coming in line with their ICE counterparts. My understanding is battery prices are going to be dropping precipitously in the next 6 months (by about 40 percent). If the car makers put strategic goals over short-term price gouging, we could finally see the market move toward EV's. I'm really looking forward to seeing where this goes!
2 things they never discuss: 1. Repair Costs - 10x ICE vehicles 2. Insurance Costs - 3-5x ICE vehicles and there is s a growing threat of intelligent theft overriding security systems...options for disabling vehicles when parked?
I think that the price difference from the telluride doesn't justify it. Yes it's quicker and looks nicer in and out, but for $20k you can fill up the telluride with gas for 6-7 years if you drive 16k miles a year.
Might make sense for some. Depending on gas and electricity cost in your area, you can save $2500/year and that’s not factoring in no oil change, transmission maintenance, etc.
@@JL88582 yes if you drive high mileage. But if you do the average financially it's not worth it. Don't forget you need to install an electric charger in your home and the interest rates are high these days. You can look at an extra of 2-3k if you finance the EV9
@@EUC-lid modern cars don't need timing belt change any more. Brakes you can do yourself and it's maybe $500 every 40k miles. That's a small change. $20000 is a big money difference. Don't forget the interest that you pay for the car and the depreciation of an suv that costs 70k is higher than the suv that costs 50k.
@avis1978 The number of people who can do their own brakes is small and dropping. With fuel savings of $2500 per year (and rising) and no need for belts, oil, fuel system, cooling system, ignition or other inevitable maintenance and repair costs, the recapture time drops to around six years or 70K miles. Since the vehicle has an expected life of between 150k and 200K miles, that means your lifetime ownership (or trade-in) savings are between $40K and $60K. I agree with you we need to see EV prices come more into line with ICE vehicles, but that doesn't completely negate their advantages in the here and now. If you really prefer (or need) an ICE vehicle, you should be encourage everyone else to get an EV so your future supply issues go away and gas prices stay low!
I currently drive a 2010 Ford Flex and this is the only option on the market that offers 3 row and the same space inside. I rarely use the 3rd row. So I have a lot more space to put suitcase. BTW that other red suitcase would have fit. You clearly need more experience as a dad because I have become a god at Suitcase Tetris.
The determining factor will not be competition. It will be battery cost. That is expected to go down dramatically in the next several months. Fingers crossed!
The relevant price comparison here isn’t the telluride. Rather, it’s the Volvo EV90, the Tesla model x, and the Rivian R1S. When compared to actual EV competitors, the Kia, even at the high trims, is a bargain. The telluride has nothing to do with that calculus because it’s not an EV.
I would've bought one of these if it was around 20% less expensive in Australia. We don't get the Telluride here either, so I've ordered a new Sorento. I know it's a bit small, but in 3-4 years there will hopefully be other 3 row EV's within the budget to upgrade to. 🤞
Was the range test performed with or without it full loaded with passages and luggage? Assuming it was not, what was the range with a full loaded car with AC on?
Considering gas in my area is $2.29/gal, that would buy a LOT of gas for the price premium to get an EV the size of my Jeep Grand Cherokee L with a V8.
The base model EV9 is just embarrassing. That 230 miles of range turns into around 110 miles of range in cold weather. No thanks. Not even for $56k. Range needs to go up to 300 minimum, and cost needs to come down to $40k. Once Kia offers a 2.5t with the EV9 I'll be all over it! Such a great looking car.
How well protected is the battery? What does battery replacement cost? In the Ioniq5 the battery is not well protected, and costs more then the car, new.
I am waiting for the Tesla V4 superchargers to be able to reach 1000V charging voltage and for Kia to start having NACS sockets and access to tesla supercharging network. Their EVs are wonderful, but the charging network sucks for anything more than 300-400 miles.
How is the Kia's infrastructure for recharging? Is it easy to find charging locations and how long does it take to get an acceptable percentage/ range?
The challenge still remains if you have more than four people you have to take somewhere especially the airport. I don’t think this is gonna cut it. It’s too bad they couldn’t figure out how to get the well in the back deeper and create a larger space in the front area as a front trunk, that could actually take some serious cargo. I’m hoping that the first all electric minivan will really create some more storage in that front area as I can say with a family of six it’s hard to get all the luggage in full-size minivan. Or if you go with the buzz route and get rid of the front area put more cargo room in the back
There’s a floor in the trunk which you can lift and there are a couple more inches. I saw a rear wheel drive at the dealer, the frunk (front trunk) was large enough for a roller bag. The frunk may be smaller in a 4 wheel drive, I don’t know
Being located in Europe, I must say that you guys don't even know how good you have it in terms of vehicle prices. Where I live, the EV9 starts at 70k€ (76k$) and goes up to 92k€ (100k$). And my country is considered a "cheap car country" in Europe. But we get power folding 3rd row seats.... 😁
I have a 2022 Telluride SX Prestige, it was paid for the day I left the dealer. The EV9 is too expensive, and not suitable in colder climates were I live in Northern IL.
❤ watching your video. In this part of the world 🌎 we have no Kia vehicles. You didn't give dimensions and ground clearance. I would love to see the Japanese known car size comparison. Thanks 😊
Ask how much the battery costs? They are $60k canadian on other models. And Kia will do everything in its power to not cover it under warranty. Good. Luck.
Not really. Electricity isn't free; while it varies by region, in my state, the energy consumption costs puts it on par with my current diesel sedan. It'd be a lot worse in California. Maintenance? I have never spent 20K on maintenance over the life of a car, and that's the delta that needs to be closed here. As I said above, I've reserved one of these. The EV9 is way cool. But this is not the vehicle to buy if you are trying to save money, short or long-term.
Only if you drive 25k miles a year and it will take you 3-4 years to start saving. Don't forget that you also pay more to finance it. You can pay just in interest an extra $3000 over a telluride.
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Does the Kia EV9 have the performance and range stats to justify its price? Let us know what you think in the comments!
Reserved the Wind Trim and even that is a stretch financially. If the dealer marks it up we're walking away.
The range is very bad compared to other EV in the same category. In the very cold winter, it will be an issue because the batteries will be inefficient and you charged it only to 80% you won’t get the full range. So I am a little bit concerned about the range.
Reserved long range rwd, it is pricey
Exactly, compared to what's available in US 3row EVs it's a bargain. You need nearly 100k otherwise.
One of those companies, Rivian was awarded in Consumer Reports list of the most *unreliable* brands for 2024. Yes unreliable, there's a video on TH-cam if you don't believe me. Check their channel.
@@mrchickenchance1753The ones that also nearly double the price? You are aware in the United States there is less than a handful, all luxury brands plus costing 100k base.
I feel beyond lucky to have randomly showed up at my local Kia dealership the day after the EV9s were delivered last month. I signed that day. I have put over 3k miles on my GT and it is easily the single most enjoyable purchase of my life.
i can’t believe you complained about the 3rd row not being power folding. it’s so much easier to pull the strap and lower it. plus nothing to break and it’s lighter.
A lot of consumers like a power-fold option this price. People can like different things!
My EV9 GT-Line in Sweden has power folding 3rd row.
Power seats in the third row is a stupid idea...the strap is MUCH easier and quicker.
Yeah. The handle built into my CX is instant and as quick as you can get. It’s not a bus. The third for is like 18 inches from the back opening.
@@clintsimone but your audience doesn’t seem to like the idea of power folding 3rd row. anyway, don’t let that take away from your otherwise great review!
Ordered the GT-Line AWD and received it 6 days ago. OMG I love it!! Mine is fully loaded and has power seat drop. So comfortable and so smooth! And like you commented, feels expensive. Compared to other luxury 3 rows though, it is much less expensive. It also has more 3rd row leg room than any other 3 row EV. I travel with adults that need to sit in the 3rd row and this has more room than my Highlander Hybrid. I’ll follow up after my first full month 😊
@rje1994, do you have a follow up review? Would love to know pros/cons after owning it and driving real life situations.
Just got the call from my dealer today that I can pick it up on Monday next week - GT Line Launch Edition in Ocean Blue Metallic 🎉
Please report back when you have your car. I was expecting first deliveries to take a few more months. When did you make your reservation?
@@brianjonesphoto I will have it on Monday. It's been at my dealer for almost three weeks now. I've just been waiting for the license plate - unfortunately that sometimes takes a bit longer in Germany. I ordered it at the beginning of November.
How much was the mark-up?
@@kakashi3543 No mark-up. The same price as on the Kia homepage.
@@MrJackie8oy this is awesome! In Sacramento they asked for 5 k and 7.5 k mark-ups, 2 different dealers...thanks for sharing! Ocean Blue is our choice also!!
I don’t understand why price is an issue when 1/2 trucks in US is $80-90K? McD Big Mac meal deal is $10.00!! Average minivan is $45K
EV isn’t for all but those who are convinced, most of them are not going back to ICE.
This is a great vehicle and for what you get at any price is better than anything out there. Especially better than any Teslas!!
Test drive it and talk.
It’s also because insurance rates on this will also be high. The savings in gas will not make up the difference. Again, like was said in the video and the fact that it’s happening now, they are just selling really slow because of pricing range as well. You cannot go on a long haul family trip without range anxiety.
great looks, very powerful GT line, loads of room, Kia just nailed it. Compared to model X and Volvo SC90, it is 20 thousand dollars cheaper. Right Now this is the only real electric SUV available. Well done Kia. Already ordered one.
Only "real electric SUV available". Rivian R1S sound familiar?
Except the R1S. Also the dealer markups are coming to take away your 20k savings 😂
R1S, 7500 credit and no dealer markups will probably make it the same as EV9 if not cheaper. Larger, more features IMO and American company and American made (I know EV9 will be made in GA).
@@derek3524 The EV9 a family hauler; not sure if the R1S wants to compete in the same segment at a higher cost and less space.
I just wish personally the EV five was coming to America because I don’t have a family. I don’t have kids so I don’t need all of this extra room.
Just test drove GT & Wind yesterday. Absolutely blown away. Road feel, suspension, & dampening is just spot on. Ride is excellent. Interior is just so nice. Second row leg row is just massive.
Best 3row EV suv on the market. And one of the best 3row SUVs period (ICE, EV, Hybrid, etc).
I would have purchased the EV9 already if not for one thing - charging.
As this will be my long hauler, on road charging has to be convenient.
I have a Tesla MYLR. Long road trips are doable but slightly inconvenient/pain utilizing the Tesla Supercharger network. And the Tesla Supercharger network is AMAZING!
I just can’t imagine getting an EV that can’t be a part of the Tesla Supercharger network.
Chargepoint, EV Go, etc is just unreliable and not confidence inducing.
I understand Kia is “in talks” w Tesla to be a part of their network.
But until that’s official, it’s hard to pull the trigger on an EV9.
An EV9 with a NACS charging port and access to Tesla Supercharger network will be the game changer. Many people will buy it then.
(An onboard spare tire would be nice too! And 2nd row bench option on GT and other upper level trims as well! Please Kia!!!)
Was about to get a Rivian R1S before driving EV9. EV9 is just so much superior is so many ways. Though R1S would crush it off-roading.
I’ve driven and owned a lot of cars. It’s not too often that a new car exceeds my hopes and expectation. But man, did the EV9 impress!
Can’t wait to get one.
Ummm why would price be the problem here? Classic: ”Because it’s a Kia?”
It’s tens of thousands less expensive than its main rivals and the availability beats the EX90 by over a year in waiting time. I actually dont see why the Kia actually has to be cheaper than the volvo when you look at in in terms of factual features, charging perfofmance, room, design and ownership costs.
Plus the "it's a Kia" argument doesn't work if there's no competition out there with better brand names.
Also when you look at how Volvos are built, they're not that special. People are so duped by brand image
Tesla only one lol@@joemcdonough7509
Volvo is owned by Chinese company. It is not premium brand at this moment. Volvo made a premium brand Polstar which proves Volvo is not premium brand anymore.
Seeing six adults in this thing got me to make a reservation for one
No power folding seats is a pro imo. One less system to break.
Not to mention saving a few pounds as well as extra cost...
Totally agree. Time wasters just so you can stand there showing off those folding seats. When in a hurry, just watching those people lose their shit waiting for the seats to go down is hilarious. Seen a few people in that scenario.
It is also faster, and since there isn't a reach issue like with the second row, IMHO it is better that it is not power.
I cannot understand why people want a power folding seat. It is annoyingly slow.
We reserved the EV-9 GT line. I have been watching for it since about January 2023 when I first heard about it. I have a family of 6, with all of us being over 5'9" (except the baby of the family, but he's still growing and is currently over 5'5"). We got to sit in it and play with controls, just not test drive it. However, the concern was the cargo space and leg room for kids clearing 6' in the third row! We believe it will pass, but the dealership has agreed to put on a tow package to ensure extra space on the tail if we need it. We are also excited to tow a pop-up camper with this vehicle!!! We were expecting to have to wait until March-May, but have just been told we will be receiving one of the first ones in mid-January!!! We are so excited and grateful for this opportunity! Now we just upgrade the house for an EV!!!
I've ordered one. Want to drive it myself to confirm what the reviewers say but it looks very good. Regarding price, yes it's expensive, BUT we'll use the bidirectional charging for power backup and to save on time of use electric rates. This thing has the equivalent of SIX Tesla Powerwalls battery storage and those things are $12K each. So, when I consider that I'm getting $72K worth of battery backup for my house, this thing is pretty cheap.
Quite interesting view.
Eagerly awaiting bidirectional integration as well!
Seems like a well designed large EV. Price is what it is in today’s era though would be cool to see a review of the base model to see how it differs in terms of feel, features and such.
Yes, would buy it! On the waitlist already at my local dealer. Still costs a whole lot less than the next available 7-seater EV options: Volvo EX90 and Tesla Model X.
Found the Californian 🤮
7 seater= ex90 yes, Model x no
The Volvo EX90 is fairly priced at 78K. It’s smaller on the inside but it should have significantly more range (111kwh battery).
I’m with you though, I’d pick the EV9 over it, but the EX90 ain’t horrible.
Also anyone with the old R1S pre orders are extremely lucky. Can’t beat that 75-80K price for so much more performance, range, and capability.
You forgot the model Y with the 3rd row option.
They discontinued the 3rd row option in North America.
Reserved the GT line, top of the trim. We took the test drive a couple of times, and loved it. The sheer amount of space when the 3rd row is folded, it's amazing for a roadtrip. Here in Belgium, we get electric controlled 6 seats option.
Interested to see a video about the range test! Can you please share more details? Also the charging curve.
Waiting to see what the Ioniq7 will bring to the table
I don't get why people testing the third row don't move the second row forward. There is plenty of space in the second row and any real situation would move it to give folks on the back more space.
You are right.
Hyundai and Kia e-gmp based EVs are underrated. Their EV technologies are the best. Yes, better than Tesla.
Maybe but does Kia have supercharger stations up and down most major highways?
@@carl5438 I'm talking about EV, not charging infrastructure.
@@tuple4986he’s trying to move the goalposts don’t worry he knows what you mean
I read that HMG cars will be compatible with Tesla chargers soon.
@@carl5438 Unless you're leasing the vehicle or on a road trip...why would you ever supercharge your batteries? Yes I am talking about preserving battery condition.
What about cheaper fuel and maintenance? Does it still end up being 20k more expensive? Total cost of ownership should be comparable to ice vehicle.
Though resale values may not be great.
Very nice review.
$9,000 more for the top of the line minus some horse power. You never mention gas and maintenance savings. 5 years into owning two different EVs and I can tell you it’s a lot of savings. Currently driving the Kia EV6.
Also EVs are a much better ride in every aspect.
Be real about the numbers if you are talking price.
They are being real about THE PRICE. Estimated savings ISNT THE PRICE
I reserved one, and I'll decide what to do when I can actually drive it. I have seen it in person, and it looks pretty good. Also definitely spacious. A question on the Edmunds range test: Was this a simulated highway test, or a simulated city/highway combo? If that's 306 miles highway, it's an amazing result and might be enough to make me forget about range/charging anxiety. Thanks for the review!
City/Highway mix. Edmund's uses a 60 city/40 highway split because we think it represents how most current EVs are utilized (of course everyone's use case will be different). Congrats on the new car!
It’s already top of the class. Kia nails it again
Here come the anti Hyundai Kia comments 😂
It’s still a Kia
@@weroliera you’re still stuck in a rock. You’re stuck in the 90s
What other vehicles are in its class (three row EV at its pricepoint)?
@@ALMX5DP well so far there’s none but the fact that there is really says something.
The r1s ex90 are a lot more expensive
@@naveenthemachine so this is top of its class of itself? And sure there is something to be said about them being the first to bring this segment to market. Maybe saying it’s top of its class isn’t the correct term to use right now, instead maybe saying KIA is breaking new ground or something.
I've been driving the Light Long Range for a couple weeks now and have 0 complaints about the lower power. It can slam you in your seat from a stand still, and still move pretty quick at higher speeds. Took it on a 800 mi road trip and had 0 complaints. My wife loved riding in the passenger seat, said it was a huge upgrade from our other cars.
The part where the mock family was the best part. Every episode should have every seat filled in the car being reviewed. It gives you a good idea from multiple opinions on different vantage points.
4:29 can't you put the 2nd big bag on top of the first one and put the cabin bag to one of the passengers? I need to watch the telly video.
I think this was a missed opportunity. The GT Line comes with a digital rearview mirror (which I think was active during the video). With that on, you can use the entire cargo area up to the ceiling without obstruction.
If Kia made a pickup version of the EV9, it'll be so much better than the Cybertruck, especially in looks department. Of course, Kia knows that the Cybertruck won't sell well so they know there's no point.
They really should have come out with a truck as well, the cybertruck just looks like a mess.
@@SkaBob : I don't think Hyundai wants to upset Ford.
love how terminally online people think cybertruck won't be the number 1 selling truck in america in a couple of years lol
Already too much competition with Lightening, R1T, cybertruck, Sierra, and probable R2S. Kia takes interesting chances though, maybe in 4 or 5 years.
@@tooltalkHyundai does not give a damn about ford
Thanks for the review. I like it. But I also want to see EV9 GT variant :)
We ordered one! I've been waiting for an all-electric family vehicle with captain chairs in the 2nd row. We opted for GT to get the highest horse power and battery life with all the bells and whistles.
Ordered the top GT-line in BC Canada, considering the fuel saving it's not really costy
Only if you drive 30000 km and up a year. Even then you can fill the telluride with gas 4-5 years.
@@avis1978that's a really good analogy... Wish I could afford an EV, but having a plug in for cheaper is just better
10km a month doing ride sharing with my Telluride. I'll save enough on fuel alone to pay for it and wheelbarrows of cash left over. Can't wait. @@avis1978
Hello Do you order a 7 seat or 6 seat? thank you
65 k for 3 rows is not bad.
Sure, but you gotta hand over your balls when you sign the purchase agreement on an EV so that's something to consider 😅
4 rows, if you include the one with your spouse after spending 65k on a Kia! 😁
Add another $15K markup and you're to be around $80K. Imagine paying $80K for a Kia. It's nice and Kia has gone a long way but I would look elsewhere first.
@@volcalstone Why would you pay markup?? LMAO
@@AB0BA_69 some people do and this is why dealers are still doing them
Mine arrives January. With power folding third row! We don’t have the Telluride in the UK. For us it’s up against diesel SUVs that are at the luxury end of the market and spec for spec it’s between £20K and £50K cheaper.
I am taking the delivery today. Very exited to get this along with existing EV6
my dealer called me yesterday mine is in transit right now will be here mid January UK. EV9 GTS
Its around or a bit over 90k€ in Finland. Me as a 29 year old dog owner would get this in a heartbeat if I were to switch away from Model Y and I had the extra money. What a car.
On pricing, forgot to mention that they’ll very likely start qualifying for the $7500 tax credit sometime next year once production starts in the US
Not confirmed yet, but there is a chance yes
🔥 I’ve been in love with this truck since it was announced. I’m finally picking up my EV9 GT Line in the Ice Green color tomorrow and tonight I can’t sleep I’m so excited…😂
@4:33 why not put the larger RED one on top of the other RED one, then you only have to deal with a smaller blue one in the car. Can instantly tell you don't actually pack your shopping at the supermarket or your own car's normally.
Also "no powered rear row" .... 10x faster manually.
I was planning to buy her younger sister EV6 but I canceled when I found out that it was priced at $68,000!! (According to the local agent in my country)
$79k? Ugh. Cybertruck AWD is $79k - $7500 tax credit (yes, have a relatively low reservation number) or Model Y Performance for $52,490 -$7500 tax credit. Unless you really need the 6th seat… I dunno if it makes much sense at that price point. Even if you’re not a Cybertruck fan, there is still the Rivian R1-T Dual Motor with large battery pack that falls around $81k. As nice as the EV9 might be… that price makes it MUCH less compelling.
4:12 dude power folding sucks. When it's freaking cold out, you don't want a seat to fold down at grandma pace.
For anyone that cares. I was just at a Kia Dealership and we went from an EV9 GT Line to a Telluride SX prestige and I can say the tech was similar, but the EV9 is MUCH better overall quality. Too much hard materials in the Telluride, where the EV9 was silky all over. My wife hates 'soft touch' plastic or whatever it is and it is everywhere on the Telluride. EV9 is not an electric Telluride, it is a better car period.
Reserved a fully loaded GT-line. As a young family of four that is interested in EV technology, there honestly is no other option that checked all of the boxes. I’m not interested in paying more for off-roading prowess that I’ll never need so that rules out the Rivian. The Model X is not large enough. Lucid just announced their Gravity SUV but initial reports were that the third row is nothing to write home about. Same goes for the Volvo EX90. The only non-EV contender in my mind was the new Grand Highlander which is a compelling option but I’m just not impressed with Toyota interiors not to mention every recent Toyota door I’ve shut has sounded like a tin can - and for “only” a 20k difference for EV power/convenience and the nicer looks and amenities, the EV9 seems like the clear winner.
And aside from the fact that it fits the bill for my family’s needs, they really seemed to try and go above and beyond in all that it’s doing here. Since the EV9 was first announced a couple years ago I’ve watched for updates every few days and while every other company had the chance to put forth their competitors, no one has yet to do it in this class. Overall the choice was easy and I can’t wait to get mine.
GT line vs dual motor R1S is VERY similarly priced. R1S has better software that gets update as much or more than my phone
Edmunds has put together a group of nice people, and they all do a good no BS presentation.
"Absolutely impressed by the in-depth review of the 2024 Kia EV9! 🌟 The range test provided valuable insights into the electric capabilities of this SUV, and it's clear that Kia has taken electric vehicles to a whole new level with the EV9. The comparison to the Electric Telluride is a great touch, showcasing the evolution in Kia's electric offerings. Kudos to the team for the thorough examination, and it's exciting to see how electric vehicles are becoming more practical and efficient. Looking forward to more comprehensive reviews like this in the future! 🔋⚡"
Why would Edmunds promote the speedy 0-60 mph acceleration and why manufacturers keep putting so much power in the hands of drivers who have no business having so much power instead of focusing on range and efficiency at a much better pricing?
it's called their base model if you don't care about power, acceleration and want a lower price...
We talk in-depth about the efficiency and the range…
I'm one of those who's waiting for better range. Also concerned about charging stations in an area of small towns. Maybe in a couple of years both concerns will be behind us? I have a 2022 Telly and I really like it.
Love the Porsche experience center with a Porsche. Glad to see other cars using it for test
The New Zealand GT Line has digital side mirrors with screens inside the doors and power operated 3rd row seats, amongst few other things compared to this USA model. I just checked out one today at the KIA Wellington city dealership.
Very good review. It included what I consider essential, how it drives with passengers and items in the trunk.
Since we are getting $12000 government incentive to buy EV vehicle in Canada, I think this is a good buy. The Telluride is one of the best SUV 3rd row so either you buy the EV9 or Telluride you are making a good choice.
EV9 installed heat pump. Good for Canada.
At least you tested with a full load of passengers, but no cold weather test or with a cargo box on the top. a common way to travel with multiple passengers.
Well do more soon!
How funny Tesla was so far ahead of everyone, and because their incompetence at CEO level, they GAVE UP their advantage. Instead of investing in a bizarre truck, that will sell in niche volumes after the initial excitement. They could have been making proper SUVs, what people want. 😂
I am waiting for mine. I am based in Ontario. They told me 3-5 months wait. :(
Can you comment on IRA tax credit and shift to Georgia plant? That would satisfy half the criteria bit notnaure avout minerals and components of battery?
My very non-official guess is that it might qualify in 2025.
That's pretty much up in the air: "Biden weighs reprieve for automakers on tougher rules for EV tax credits" Bloomberg, November 29, 2023
The base version is going to be just fine in terms of acceleration, especially for i's size.
I"m call back #1 for my local dealer. Can't wait to have it sitting in my driveway next to my Telluride.
I think the important question is, when will the prices of EV's start coming in line with their ICE counterparts. My understanding is battery prices are going to be dropping precipitously in the next 6 months (by about 40 percent). If the car makers put strategic goals over short-term price gouging, we could finally see the market move toward EV's. I'm really looking forward to seeing where this goes!
The Nissan Leaf and Chevy Bolt are both in the $25k range. That's cheaper than almost every ICE vehicle.
Under 5 seconds 0-60 is just about unheard of for an SUV, about the same as our Ioniq 5 that's much lighter.
Tesla: Hold my beer.
Hey Clint. It was nice to meet you!
2 things they never discuss:
1. Repair Costs - 10x ICE vehicles
2. Insurance Costs - 3-5x ICE vehicles
and there is s a growing threat of intelligent theft overriding security systems...options for disabling vehicles when parked?
NACS or CCS?
CCS, at least for this model year.
I have a G80 EV which is rated for 284 miles, my record so far is 324 mi and even on cold days I might get 260? It's pretty awesome.
I think that the price difference from the telluride doesn't justify it. Yes it's quicker and looks nicer in and out, but for $20k you can fill up the telluride with gas for 6-7 years if you drive 16k miles a year.
Might make sense for some. Depending on gas and electricity cost in your area, you can save $2500/year and that’s not factoring in no oil change, transmission maintenance, etc.
@@JL88582 yes if you drive high mileage. But if you do the average financially it's not worth it. Don't forget you need to install an electric charger in your home and the interest rates are high these days. You can look at an extra of 2-3k if you finance the EV9
And brakes, and fluid changes, and timing belts. The cost per mile is a lot more than just fuel.
@@EUC-lid modern cars don't need timing belt change any more. Brakes you can do yourself and it's maybe $500 every 40k miles. That's a small change. $20000 is a big money difference. Don't forget the interest that you pay for the car and the depreciation of an suv that costs 70k is higher than the suv that costs 50k.
@avis1978 The number of people who can do their own brakes is small and dropping. With fuel savings of $2500 per year (and rising) and no need for belts, oil, fuel system, cooling system, ignition or other inevitable maintenance and repair costs, the recapture time drops to around six years or 70K miles. Since the vehicle has an expected life of between 150k and 200K miles, that means your lifetime ownership (or trade-in) savings are between $40K and $60K. I agree with you we need to see EV prices come more into line with ICE vehicles, but that doesn't completely negate their advantages in the here and now. If you really prefer (or need) an ICE vehicle, you should be encourage everyone else to get an EV so your future supply issues go away and gas prices stay low!
I currently drive a 2010 Ford Flex and this is the only option on the market that offers 3 row and the same space inside. I rarely use the 3rd row. So I have a lot more space to put suitcase. BTW that other red suitcase would have fit. You clearly need more experience as a dad because I have become a god at Suitcase Tetris.
Looked like all those bags would have fit if you ask me.
The EV9 ‘s 3rd row looks smaller than the telluride which can fit 3 people comfortably. Is it the same dimensions?
I remember paying $1,200 for a microwave in the 90's. Let's hope competition will drive down the crazy high prices of EVs!
The determining factor will not be competition. It will be battery cost. That is expected to go down dramatically in the next several months. Fingers crossed!
You think the price in US is high. In Ireland the 98kwh AWD is approx €88k so about $97k 🫣
Picking my Land in the same color up tomorrow.
The relevant price comparison here isn’t the telluride. Rather, it’s the Volvo EV90, the Tesla model x, and the Rivian R1S.
When compared to actual EV competitors, the Kia, even at the high trims, is a bargain.
The telluride has nothing to do with that calculus because it’s not an EV.
It's also very expensive in Canada. Startijg in the high $60k. I think it's one of the best 3-row E-SUVs, but the orice is hard to swallow.
Clint is just the cutest thing!
I would've bought one of these if it was around 20% less expensive in Australia.
We don't get the Telluride here either, so I've ordered a new Sorento. I know it's a bit small, but in 3-4 years there will hopefully be other 3 row EV's within the budget to upgrade to. 🤞
Why didn't you speak on charging times?
Was the range test performed with or without it full loaded with passages and luggage? Assuming it was not, what was the range with a full loaded car with AC on?
Considering gas in my area is $2.29/gal, that would buy a LOT of gas for the price premium to get an EV the size of my Jeep Grand Cherokee L with a V8.
You forgot to mention the added benefit of the availability of Tesla’s supercharging network.. arriving soon I suppose..
The base model EV9 is just embarrassing. That 230 miles of range turns into around 110 miles of range in cold weather. No thanks. Not even for $56k. Range needs to go up to 300 minimum, and cost needs to come down to $40k.
Once Kia offers a 2.5t with the EV9 I'll be all over it! Such a great looking car.
How well protected is the battery? What does battery replacement cost? In the Ioniq5 the battery is not well protected, and costs more then the car, new.
No oil changes, no expensive gas it's worth it
General public won't buy EV until the price matches Non-EV price + Gas cost. AND Charging anxiety resolved. That's only car makers' dream.
You can't simply compare the cost of ownership to a Telluride. You have to look at the total cost of ownership over a period of time.
just got ev9 really hard going from park to drive
I am waiting for the Tesla V4 superchargers to be able to reach 1000V charging voltage and for Kia to start having NACS sockets and access to tesla supercharging network. Their EVs are wonderful, but the charging network sucks for anything more than 300-400 miles.
How is the Kia's infrastructure for recharging? Is it easy to find charging locations and how long does it take to get an acceptable percentage/ range?
Hyundai/KIA are supposed to switching over to the Tesla charging network soon. Next year, if I remember correctly...
Price aside it looks interesting. I think it is to bad that Kia compromised rearward visibility with those cut windows :(
Is one pedal a permanent setting or do you have to turn it back on every time you start it up?
You click the paddle on the wheel to engage it. I believe the car will remember the setting.
The challenge still remains if you have more than four people you have to take somewhere especially the airport. I don’t think this is gonna cut it. It’s too bad they couldn’t figure out how to get the well in the back deeper and create a larger space in the front area as a front trunk, that could actually take some serious cargo. I’m hoping that the first all electric minivan will really create some more storage in that front area as I can say with a family of six it’s hard to get all the luggage in full-size minivan. Or if you go with the buzz route and get rid of the front area put more cargo room in the back
There’s a floor in the trunk which you can lift and there are a couple more inches. I saw a rear wheel drive at the dealer, the frunk (front trunk) was large enough for a roller bag. The frunk may be smaller in a 4 wheel drive, I don’t know
How much is a replacement battery if you drive over something in the road? Ioniq 5: $60,000!
Being located in Europe, I must say that you guys don't even know how good you have it in terms of vehicle prices. Where I live, the EV9 starts at 70k€ (76k$) and goes up to 92k€ (100k$). And my country is considered a "cheap car country" in Europe.
But we get power folding 3rd row seats.... 😁
I have a 2022 Telluride SX Prestige, it was paid for the day I left the dealer. The EV9 is too expensive, and not suitable in colder climates were I live in Northern IL.
Looks better than my 4Runner ac on the 3r rd 😂😂😂
Wish the rear doors open slide like a van or wing up,easier to load kids and people.
❤ watching your video.
In this part of the world 🌎 we have no Kia vehicles.
You didn't give dimensions and ground clearance.
I would love to see the Japanese known car size comparison.
Thanks 😊
Ask how much the battery costs? They are $60k canadian on other models. And Kia will do everything in its power to not cover it under warranty. Good. Luck.
I love it, but I have only 1 kid left in the household. I would like to see a crossover from KIA that has the similar masculine look.
IN THE UK WE HAVE POWER FOLDING 3 rd Row
Already ordered one.
Needs the federal tax credit, which you can get with a lease. The fuel and maintenance expenses will make up most of the remainder of the premium.
Not really. Electricity isn't free; while it varies by region, in my state, the energy consumption costs puts it on par with my current diesel sedan. It'd be a lot worse in California. Maintenance? I have never spent 20K on maintenance over the life of a car, and that's the delta that needs to be closed here. As I said above, I've reserved one of these. The EV9 is way cool. But this is not the vehicle to buy if you are trying to save money, short or long-term.
Only if you drive 25k miles a year and it will take you 3-4 years to start saving. Don't forget that you also pay more to finance it. You can pay just in interest an extra $3000 over a telluride.