The One Marvel Complaint I Don't Buy
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 ต.ค. 2024
- The Marvels comes out this week and there is one complaint about Marvel that I just don't buy.
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The "what's Kamala's deal" scene has been in every trailer for the movie so far. I guarantee that the scene with Monica and Fury at the Khan house is that scene.
I think another weird part of this is that people seem to act like you NEED to know a characters motivations, powers, and history in an instant the second they show up? That's rarely ever how that works in any media and the way the MCU handles characters is just like almost everything else, if you follow along with the story generally you will come to some form of understanding of the characters over the course of the experience.
THANK YOU! This complaint really really wound me up with the Ahsoka discourse. I saw so many people saying they weren't interested in the show because they didn't know the characters or would feel lost at the start and I'm like...yeah that's how almost every TV show and movie starts. You don't know the characters before you start watching, you get to know them as story goes on. The people that saw Clone Wars and Rebels just had some more context but the show was completely followable without it.
@@ZachBobBobit was followable, but I also wasn’t invested in most of the characters, and the show didn’t do much to get me invested. That’s why I feel very meh on it.
@@hoemalone Yeah I agree to be honest, the show did a bad job in getting people invested; Ahsoka and Sabine were very bland. But my point is that people acted like they couldn't watch it at all because they didn't watch the animated stuff and didn't know the characters going into it.
Considering how many callbacks and fan service Ahsoka had, that's probably a poor example. The basic plot flows without knowing who they are, but there's a lot that goes over your head or the significance isn't there.
The best comic book movie/show makes it easy enough to understand the characters and what their about and stuff without having to read comics. But also balance the stuff that only fans know about that’s a neat nod to them.
Additionally there’s nothing wrong with continuity too so idk what people’s problems are with this stuff
Justice League Unlimited, the animated series, introduced an entire pantheon of superheroes and villains in the first 2 episodes and it worked beautifully.
They had great writing, that's the point.
@@canalminimapa Agreed. Its really not that complicated if its a good movie/show ppl will watch it.
Ok yes thank you. I got hooked on the MCU late into the game. A friend wanted me to go see Infinity War with him and I said yes, despite the fact I had not seen any Cap movies, GotG, Avengers, and most of the other ones. I didn't even have high expectations, it seemed like it would be kinda fun. I absolutely LOVED it!!! I didn't actually need to watch all the old stuff to feel invested in the plot and characters, the movie did a perfectly fine job of explaining characters, motivations, lore without making it feel forced.
This is obviously done intentionally because they know most viewers are just casual fans. But they also need to convince non fans that the MCU is good. Infinity War really worked for this, since I went back and watched all the movies I missed because I thought Dr.Strange looked cool, the Guardians seemed fun, and I wanted to know why Cap and Iron Man had beef with each other.
I had the exact same experience! Sure, I missed some references (didn’t even know who Hawkeye was lol) but understood and enjoyed most of it with minimal MCU knowledge from pop culture. I still haven’t watched any of the previous MCU movies just because of a lack of interest/time but it hasn’t hurt my enjoyment of any of the new stuff.
* did watch Dr Strange because cool magic man
Bs. If i asked you about the characters, you would failed miserably back then 😂
similarly, I basically went in to Thor Ragnarok blind. I hadn't seen Thor 1 or 2. But I didn't need to. and I loved it and it became my favorite MCU movie. (and of course it made me want to go watch more MCU movies I'd missed)
@@FireJach What do you define as fail? You don't need to know every single intricacy of the characters to 'get' what was happening like you don't need to pass a buzzfeed quiz about mcu history to enjoy the movie lol. Like didn't know anything about NY and Loki, just inferred he was the "trouble" brother and had recently reformed etc. trope short hands get you pretty far.
I demand a 50 minute video where Nando runs a random MCU character name generator and has to improvise their interactions with each other. No cutting!
I think the main problem with the whole “you have to watch everything to understand everything” is that we haven’t had a huge crossover in 4 years. Prior to this, everyone was fine with new characters coming in whether they saw the previous movie or not, but now that we haven’t had a crossover in so long, it feels like we have to watch a lot in order to understand an avengers movie that may not even come out till like 2026
you literally missed the point of this video
Those big crossovers also allowed people to skip prior movies and get caught up through the crossover movie, usually the Avengers.
An Avengers movie to end Phase 4 would have served to introduced all of these Disney+ characters to a wider audience and set them up for future appearances like a Marvels movie.
Dude.. that's not what the video is about. He's saying that using " we have to watch everything before this movie" excuse for The Marvels is not valid, since we've been doing this for ages by now. People who are casuals and only watch popular stuff for the hype will do it anyways and then they'll leave and come back when something hyped shows up again. These people don't require to have watched everything before Marvel movies anyway. .., so the excuse is not even about them. It's about the so called fans who say they're not watching the movie because there's too much homework. It's muscle we always have to exercise before Marvel movies, not exclusive to this one. Which means, it's not an acceptable excuse. The truth is that people either don't like the characters (for X or y reasons), they've been convinced it's not worth it by watching too many youtubers or disappointed with how Marvel is doing now.
This isn't a crossover, though. It's a sequel to Captain Marvel where she meets 2 sidekicks. That happens in superhero films all the time. Did you even watch the video? Lmao
I think the problem is actually the opposite, that there is too much crossover. Back during Phase 1-3 everything was relatively separate from each other aside from Avengers movies and Civil War and such, like you didn't have to watch any of the Thor movies to understand what was going on in the Captain America movies or the Iron Man movies or anything like that, whereas nowadays something going on in Love and Thunder connects to something in Endgame that connects to something in the Thor and Guardians movies or things in the Marvels connects to things in Captain Marvel (obviously) as well as Ms. Marvel and Wandavision and Secret Invasion and this, that and the other, stuff like that. In other words, everyone was fine with everyone doing their own thing separate from everyone else and coming together for special events and stuff like that, whereas now everything is treated like the special events, where everyone is always in each other's business in everything.
People complain when the MCU isn't connected enough and they seem disconncted and now they are complaining when you "have" to watch prior movies and shows for the full picture... I dont't get people
because they are not the same person
It's hard to understand a person that is stupid
I think it's because the complainings come from two different groups: the casual fans, who go to see the Marvel movies just when they're trending, and the actual fans, those of us who understand that every movie is a little part of a big story, so obviously we want it to have connections and be coherent with what we saw on other films.
@@Michael-ww9zt I've seen both complains said by the same person irl, it really depends on what bandwagon is currently fueling the MCU hate train 😅
i didn't hear any complaining during phases 1-2 when the only connectivity at all was happening during the avengers movies or not until phase 3. phases 4 & 5 have seen wayyyy more connected plots & characters compared to then i think people just don't remember things very well most of the time...
Not saying its the exact same situation, but this reminds me of the struggle some people have with getting into comics (or any long running series). The advice I always hear/ see is to just start, it doesn't matter where. There's always time to backtrack if you like it.
I just prefer the classic model of "read the monthly issues of an anthology to keep up to date with multiple series, or just buy the volume releases of a singular series".
I will admit to having that issue with comics. I have been reading a lot of early 00s to present comic runs, and there have been a number of events I've paused reading so I could read another series leading into it before continuing. Kinda depends on the event and the tie-in, some are better for the uninitiated than others.
I had a friend of mine become shell shocked, not knowing who the weird lawyer was in No Way Home. Everyone started cheering and the movie didn't explain who it was they were cheering for; Just some really good lawyer. These are the types of deliveries I am worried about for people who don't watch everything. Overall, I agree. As long as they explain who they are a bit (like the Thor Dark World example), I think it should all good over smoothly... Only time will tell I guess.
I think they didn’t explain who daredevil was because he isn’t an important part of NWH, just a lawyer for Peter Parker in the opening minutes
If he was more prominent, im sure he would have been explained
I guess the fact that the whole plot revolved around all those extra scenes with Matt would have been really hard to understand.
Oh wait. It didn't matter at all for the whole movie.
Funny you should.mention NWH though. My friend who saw the movie with me hadn't seen any of the Tobey, Andrew or Tom Spider-Man films at all and was lost the whole way though because that movie coasted on just being able to show us people we'd seen before in older Spidey movies.
I feel you but technically this was Matt’s first appearance in the MCU. There’s really nothing to explain until you get to She-Hulk.
@@Heimal I feel like for a really good example you'd have to have someone who's watched the Tom Holland spider man movies but not the other ones.
Because like, jumping into [Movie Series] 3 without having watched the other two and being lost is fair, like i don't think you can really fix that, but i'd be curious to know how well NWH stands with only the Tom movies which it is strictly a sequel of.
for me, with No Way Home, I hadn't seen every single spidey thingy leading up to it, hadn't seen the Andrew Garfield stuff... so yeah, I cheered for some things (like Tobey McGuire's entrance) and then totally missed out on some other things. But then, I had such a good time, I was inspired to do a marathon of all the spidey movies (well, the ones leading into that, all Tobey Macguire, Andrew Garfield, and Tom Holland) and then go and watch NWH again, and that was so fun. to watch it both quasi-blind and then after the marathon, enjoying it on different levels.
What worked about the early movies is that you didn’t need to see the other movies to understand or enjoy it, but you get the feeling you’d enjoy it more if you did. Subtly encouraging audiences to get hooked.
I wonder if audiences have become so aware of that feeling, that has turned to “you aren’t enjoying this because you’re not getting all the references.” Going from the In-group to the Out-group feels worse than just staying with the Out-group.
The problem isn’t that you need to see them, it’s that feeling that you know you’re missing something.
I had this feeling constantly when I was first getting into comics. Avengers was cool and all, but why is Cap in an arm sling and when did Ironman get that new armor? Why is Thor rocking a beard now, but last issue he wasn't? It made me buy all their individual books despite not all of them being very good. Then I missed a month of everything except Fantastic Four and freaked out. I figured, that's it. I'll never know what's going on again and I should just quit now. And I did.
And then, a solid 5-10 years later, I picked up a random Spider-Man comic that had Hobgoblin on the cover and I loved it and I realized I loved it, not because of the 5-10 years I'd missed, but because of what I read that day in that book.
The "filthy casuals" need to go through that phase as well.
This is exactly it. People who jumped in on IW or Endgame probably felt a bit out of the loop, but they also at least had ambient cultural knowledge of the main players; Captain America, Thor, Iron Man, and even Ant-Man were all household names by the time those movies dropped. And people understood that if they didn’t know a character, at most they were missing a movie here or there.
Now with at least two of the protagonists being from series that were siloed onto a streaming service, and with all of them being relatively less well known, the psychological burden of feeling out of the loop is going to be even greater.
@@michaelmulligan8527the MCU will be lucky if it can sustain 5-10 years of people not interested.
Marginal FOMO... that's an interesting idea. Like, the fact that they're missing, what, 15% of the references? Maybe 25%? But it's enough that they're feeling "cheated", like they're not getting as much "movie" as the other viewers.
Very much agree. I think some people want to feel like they got as many of the references as possible the first time around to avoid necessarily feeling like you need to do a rewatch (as an adult with limited time, I certainly feel this way).
I think there's another component as well that as the universe continues to expand, there's a large increase in the amount of time you need to invest to get up to speed for a new installment in order to feel "ready" to enjoy the new installment as much as possible. Its now, you need to watch two movies and two shows to get to the point where you feel ready to watch a movie like the marvels. That is however a huge time investment, so unless you're crazy invested (and any people you'd watch with are invested) you're in a position where you'll delay catching up until you're even further behind the rat race.
For example, my gf and I want to watch ahsoka. I tell her really we should watch her best clone wars arcs to get ready for the show. We haven't found the time/energy to do that and have not, maybe won't watch ahsoka for a long time.
Other solution: If you think there will be too much you are missing by not watching the shows, just go with someone who has been keeping up with the whole MCU, they will probably be glad to give you a 1-5 minute breakdown while you are waiting for the trailers to start.
I literally don’t know anyone still caught up with the MCU. In phases 1-3 I knew a dozen…
@@hoemalonei know a lot of people. Mostly comic book fans.
I had to explain Wandavision to my sister before watching Doctor Strange 2 and wasn't fun at all, it was work.
There are tons of recap videos out there too, I know at the start of ScreenCrush’s Easter egg video for The Marvels he recaps the events of the two shows and the Captain Marvel movie
That sounds annoying.
Are we gonna ignore the fact that our guy said “Sunday November 3rd”? November 3rd was a Friday this year, so he either recorded this video in 2019 or 2024.
It’s wild to me that this type of complaint has also historically held back Marvel comics (DC too!). No one wants to start with issue #327 and people aren’t committed to start at issue #1. Not sure how to break people’s disconnect
That's why every comic starts with a small blurb that describes the characters and the events of the story this far.
here here. any comic can be someone's first and I feel, for the most part, any live action stuff works.
@@xHx23xHear hear?
Which brings us to another Marvel problem: There's a new #1 issue like every year. Zdarsky's Daredevil reset to issue 1 after Devil's Reign even though it is still the same exact writer and artist, then the book reset back to issue 1 AGAIN after only 14 issues to let the the creative team jump in. It is so unnecessary complicated and ruins the flow of an on-going series.
this is why they're planning on rebooted the MCU after Secret Wars & why they've rebooted the comics sometimes. personally i would love to see a recast tony stark, t'challa & natasha romanov down the line because i love those characters but in that same universe i'd like to hold on to characters like namor, kamala khan, rocket raccoon etc.
My favourite example of the quick exposition: "He's from space, and he's trying to steal a necklace from a wizard." Give me a line like that and it's all I need for a meeting between Kinga and Star Lord.
I would add a small asterisk in there that Strange 2 did not do a great job at explaining Wanda's change... but that movie's script had a laundry list of issues.
One problem with Doctor Strange 2 is that Wanda's storyline made no sense if you hadn't seen Wandavision. Another problem with Docor Strange 2 is that Wanda's storyline made no sense if you had seen Wandavision.
@@christophersouza8061 I couldn’t agree with that more.
@@christophersouza8061 We saw how the Darkhold fed on Agatha's evil, and they outright said it warped every user. Including Wanda. What's not to understand.
Why doesn't she just remake the Hex?
The only thing that stopped her from keeping it up last time was that she found out it was hurting people. But in MoM, apparently due to the influence of the Darkhold, she doesn't care if she hurts people anymore as long as she has her family. But the kids in the other universe aren't her family--they are less her children than the ones she created in the Hex.
Also, at the end of Wandavision, she hears her children calling out for her in need of help. This seemed to set up that the spirits of the kids she created were out there somewhere and she was gonna go looking for them. But these kids aren't them, and they don't need her at all. They're totally fine, making her motive completely selfish, in addition to being stupid.
Also, why doesn't Vision ever come up? Is there no universe where both he and her kids are alive? Come to think of it, how did the kids from the other universe even come into being? Did that Wanda also do a Wandavision?
But even aside from these plot holes, the story isn't emotionally satisfying for fans of Wandavision because it's a worse repeat of the arc she already went through on that show. We saw her reject villainy and selfishness and sacrifice her created family in order to stop herself from hurting other people. Now she's killing people left and right for a family that isn't even hers. The emotional arc doesn't track. I know "the book made her do it," that is clear...but it's also boring and pointless, and takes away her agency. It repeats mistakes that have been made with her character time and again in the comics but were cleverly (albeit not perfectly) sidestepped on Wandavision.
So yeah. It didn't work for me. I'm glad you liked it better than I did though.
@@ShadowSonic2
Must be a different timeline this was recorded if it was on Sunday the 3rd.
I'm thinking about testing this theory. I want to try and get a friend who has barely watched any MCU movies to see The Marvels with me. If he's free, it'll be interesting to see how well he's able to follow the plot.
Here for a follow up
pro tip, don't try this with Quantumania though. I imagine he would be so lost. and I was lost and I've seen almost all MCU stuff.
I mean, it’s almost like MARVEL has been doing this in individual comic book issues for the entirety of their existence.
You open ANY MARVEL comic, and you’ll be introduced to the character/team with a brief sentence or two, a paragraph at MOST.
Then, eventually they began even dedicating an entire first page to catching any and every single person who picks that random comic up to whatever is currently happening
If it's a Johnathan Hickman book, you'll get a full page of text at the beginning that explains the story and its characters 😂
@@BaithNa if it’s Grant Morrison…. Just hold on, and enjoy the ride lol
But they also made No Way Home, a movie that would have made a lot less sense if you didn't watch at least 5 other movies and even Netflix's Daredevil to an extent. Image if you've never watched Daredevil, he would have just been a blind lawyer who could catch a flying brick for no reason.
No it would've still made enough sense for you to get what was going on and what the problem was. You just would not have understood all the fan service and references. It doesn't detract from the story. Especially when the Peter's kind of explain some of their backstory. Enough for you to get the jist of who they are.
@darrienjones8917 yeah I guess they did have a scene where all the villains talked about where they came from. But I still think I'd be like "whats happening, this movie has some weird approaches to things." If I didn't watch the previous movies. Where I don't think the would happen in Endgame because when Thor talked about reality stone, the plot was more natural than when the sinister 6 were like "I fell into this" "I fell into that" "gotta watch out where you fall into I guess"
The whole "you have to watch everything" complaint is dumb and is just false. Just watch what interests you and watch anything you miss if you feel like it, it's that simple. Even if you miss a tv show, the movies generally give you the basic context needed to understand whats going on.
EDIT: Nando basically said everything I wanted to.
Since the first Captain Marvel movie I feel like people have had pre-emptive hate for this movie, despite all the issues with Marvel lately.
If Captain Marvel were really great and they had worked to actually make her a GREAT CHARACTER, I think there would be excitement for this next one.
@SmokinAcesProd Yeah, I get that. Even in movies she was in like Infinity War or Endgame didn't even make her all that interesting. Which doesn't help. I think she'll get carried this movie
@@SmokinAcesProd Nah, the MCU had been White Male Supremacy until her movie. So they were out to hate her from Day 0.
My biggest complaints are that we haven't seen these characters do anything of note in years, the plot seems like a made for TV movie and the villain looks more like an over dressed actress at a renaissance fair than a Kree Accuser.
I'm watching it because Zawe Ashton is playing a villain. Also, Monica and Kamala are here 😍
One of my favorite examples of this is Mordo’s introduction in Multiverse of Madness. I hadn’t seen the first movie but Doctor Strange’s 2 sentence explanation to America literally tells you everything 😭
Based Nando. I feel like "you gotta watch these to understand this" has always been weird because largely, you don't. Take the Guardians movies for example. Even in their own franchises, every movie it's still its own story. You can get the idea of who these characters are if you jumped into the 2nd movie or 3rd movie and started with that. They still tell their own individual stories and there are just smaller details that if you watched the precious things you'd be like "oh look" but that's about it.
Before No Way Home and Multiverse of Madness I had a lot of discussions on one forum about Loki and if you can understand projects with heavy emphasis on Multiverse without having seen that show. Both of these movies came out and I was proven correct, thanks to my dad and friend going with me to watch each movie. None of them saw Loki before and none of them were confused.
I feel like you should go through the Marvel Movies and give them some ratings, like 2 ratings 1-10 or something.
Rating 1 is how much you’re expected to know or like how much prior content exists
Rating 2 how friendly the movie is to someone who HASNT seen any of the previous things
Rating 1 before it comes out, Rating 2 after a movie or show comes out
I think the issue is the feeling of being out of the loop. Sure, you may not need to have watched the other stuff to enjoy this, but you know you’d enjoy it more if you had, and you know that other viewers are experiencing a deeper enjoyment.
I felt that a little bit with Endgame having not seen Thor 2 or Ant-Man 2, but I’d seen everything else so it wasn’t that bad. But if I were like a lot of my friends who hadn’t watched a Marvel anything since Endgame, and was thus missing out on like 2/3 of the backstory for The Marvels, I’d subconsciously be going into it with the expectation that I was going to enjoy it less, which would probably end up becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Infinity War and Endgame were my introduction to the MCU, I was basically forced into watching them but I loved them despite literally knowing nothing about the characters or world. The mindset shouldn't be "I can't watch this or I might miss out" it should be "If I like this I might have a reason to go back and see what I missed out on"
I know people that their first Marvel movie was Endgame! Sure, I told them about the snap, but that's it. And they understood it just fine and had a lot of fun.
Like, there's a reason that before every match at WrestleMania, there's a video package explaining why the guys are fighting each other. So many people don't really watch wrestling all that much but still tune into the big show every year.
Nando, I really love your thoughts in general. I love your She-Hulk video (which I agree with) and I loved your rewrites and one small change videos (I know you don't do those anymore). I don't know that you are correct here. I want to ask if you can comment about Dr. Strange 2. I love your examples of it being done without issue. Daredevil is a good example of where you just accept the character. There were no emotional beats to carry forward, and that worked great. I love that you brought up Endgame, because Endgame handled the whole back-reference thing very well. The "Thor summarizes Dark World" was probably the best example. They do the info-dump, but they show Thor reacting during the info-dump. They add the emotional context so that when you see Thor interacting with his mother, you've had the emotional connection made.
Dr. Strange 2 fumbled this badly. People who watched Dr. Strange 2 were confused about the first scene with Wanda. Who are those kids, what is happening. The problem with Dr. Strange 2 is that they didn't throw in scenes to add emotional context. You could have had a scene with her finding Vision and one son in one reality and getting angry because she wants both of her kids. Then she dreamwalks to another reality to find she is alone. If the first scene of Wanda was her dream walking multiple times in a row to look for her kids and a show of frustration and anger with an explanation of WandaVision's events, that might have single-handedly addressed the issue. I guess they wanted their surprise reveal in the garden, but I wonder if they couldn't have structured that better. I don't think they ever properly summarized the relevant events of WandaVision. They also didn't provide scenes to have newcomer's connect with Wanda's anger and frustration. If you watched WandaVision, you saw Elizabeth Olsen run through the emotions and the trauma. If you haven't, she effectively just jumps to threatening Dr. Strange in MoM (Multiverse of Madness) after dreaming of being a mom to kids you have never seen before. If you want to consider that the scene showing her anger and frustration, maybe that works for some people. My personal opinion is that it didn't do it for me. I also believe a majority of people want that fleshed out before the villainous actions are taken. There is definitely a large disconnect in MoM if you "haven't done the homework".
Admittedly, I haven't seen MoM is sometime (not since its release, and I saw it the one time) so I could possibly be mis-remembering, but I do distinctly recall not feeling any of the emotional beats with Wanda's story in MoM (even though I had seen WandaVision). And to further emphasize Nando's Thor example from Endgame, I felt those emotional beats (but I had also seen Dark World so not sure I just didn't carry them forward). This is probably the first time I've strongly disagreed with you Nando, but I love your content nonetheless and I love the way you present the information. You aren't angry or screaming, you are just having a conversation. I was hoping you would discuss MoM since that is the big reference point (and also the most similar case to The Marvels). Hope to see a video in the future address this complaint specifically with regards to MoM. You are always great about research and examples. Stay safe and stay healthy!
I came here to mention Dr. Strange 2 as well, but I think you covered everything. WandaVision was the prologue to Wanda's arc to turn into the Scarlet Witch and emphasized how broken she had become. I fear the same will happen in The Marvels as well. Marvel is well aware now that they've spread themselves too thin and that audiences aren't keeping up with the influx of new content. Them pushing the Review embargo back until November 8th gives me little hope for how good this movie will be, but that is still yet to be seen. I'm looking forward to when they go back to quality over quantity.
MoM fails at this IMO because it fails at writing Wanda completely. A better example of a movie that's bad about this, specifically, but is otherwise extremely good is GoTG3: Gamora's arc is a major character arc, that is very well written and well executed, unlike Wanda's in MoM, that is fundamented on previous stuff (Gamora dying and being replaced by a different gamora from a different timeline in Endgame) that doesn't get a proper explanation in the movie itself.
I will have to keep that in mind for GOTG3 (haven't seen it yet)
@@antilog17 It's distinctly not enough to make GotG3 in any way bad, but my friend that was watching with me did have to ask "wait why does she not remember anything?" and i had to explain the weird Endgame stuff to him
Honestly, to alleviate this problem some people have, marvel could just make a “Bite Sized Recaps” series on Disney+ which is basically a 10 minute recap of all plot points/story from a TV/Movie for each episode
It can really help lessen the burden of having to watch numerous different things to some people.
(around 14:50) Didn’t they put Ms. Marvel on ABC to help people catch up with that show who don’t own Disney+?
Anime has a bunch of these, recap movies that condense multiple episodes into a movie that help before a new season comes out
Marvel does do this "Marvel Studios legends" they are about 6-12 min and recap a character history before each continuing show or movie. The 3 for the marvels are already up. They do characters as well as items like the ten rings & the tesseract. In total 45 have been released.
@@afropenguinHm, i didn’t know about that, I’ll check that out as it seems to somewhat be what i requested.
Though if it does exist, they should really be marketing it more
its hilarious, to me its obviously cope for sexism and i dont care what anyone says. The way this movie is being dogpiled without it even being seen is ridiculous. I get it that people can have their own opinions.. BUT THE FILM ISNT EVEN OUT YET!! You think the trailers are shit, cool! I agree they look terrible. But the complaints so far are just thinly veiled sexism and its obvious.
I think you have the problem backwards. It used to be that you needed to watch MCU stuff to keep up and understand the plot. But now, its very obvious you dont need to watch many things to get the story. You can skip Ms Marvel and still know whats going on. You can skip wandavision, and it wont matter in multiverse of madness, the people who made the movie didnt watch it either. The reason i think people arent watching this, is because they realize these movies are starting to matter less and less to the storyline. They need to pick 3 or 4 characters and focus on them. Not only did you not have to watch secret invasion, you were better off without watching it.
As soon as I saw you tweet about this, I was hoping you'd make a video on it!
The problem is people think they need to watch everything Marvel makes cuz that's how Marvel pitches it as obviously their business would do better if everyone watched everything, that's the whole reason the connected universe worked in the first place as a business strategy
This absolutely is a huge issue, to pretend its not is bizarre to me. If you dont start with the foundations of the characters arcs then there is little to no character development in a tent pole movie like this. All these movies are season finales to stories made up of bits and pieces of different media.
If you could press a button to randomly play an episode or a movie you would hit that button again if it was a season/series finale, or movie that is the last installment of a trilogy/saga. You wouldnt just sit and watch something that you hadn't invested any time in. It wont matter how accessible the story is because all you're getting is payoff without buildup.
Aside from the writing being horrendous this is the second largest reason I've stopped watching Marvel and Star Wars.
The villain looks dull. There is nothing about this villain that interests me what so ever. I initially was on board with this movie. I want more Marvel team up movies so badly. I just don't think this was the right team up for this moment in Marvel. And some of the rumors and leaks surrounding this movie give me legit anxiety.
The only thing that saddens me is the thought that Iman Vellani could get the same treatment Kelly Marie Tran received by the """""fans""""". I just hope not.
Yeah that pissed me off. She did not deserve that. I don't care how much you hate TLJ (I didn't) You don't take it out on the actors. She did well with what she had.
@@darrienjones8917 exactly... What made it worse was that she was visibly excited to work in Star Wars and that clearly changed. But i'm glad to see i'm not the only one that thinks that way.
The absolute best example of catching the normies up to speed is the movie Serenity. In the first five minutes, we get a flash back to an action scene the show told us about but never showed us that establishes the main drive of the plot and introduces the villian. Cut to a one shot of the Captian stomping through the ship having a one on one interaction with every character in a massive ensemble cast that informs who the character is, their relationship with the captian, and their place in the plot. Its a tight like 5 minutes with witty banter that is super informative.
I remember when Empire Strikes Back was released people were saying: I am not going to see that because I don't know how Han Solo won Kessel Run and I also have not seen Rogue One.
You needed WV for Dr Strange 2, though, right ?
A brother of mine was one of the people who didn't like that.
The only movie i would say we needed more context to watch was Dr Strange 2, cause all the stuff with Wanda you needed to watch the show for it
It does add to the movie but it isn't necessary, the movie gives you the important details so that you understand whats going on.
@@johnman8398 I don't think Dr Strange 2 did it well though, to be fair. I saw it opening weekend and there were a lot of confused people in my screening who were very lost with all the Wanda stuff.
@@jbearclowater I've had a different experience when I saw it opening weekend, as the none of the people I saw there looked lost or confused when it came to the Wanda stuff. So I think the movie did it well enough.
I don't think watching WandaVision is necessary, though it is helpful. Did you watch DS2 without WV or is that just the feeling you got when you saw it?
IMO Multiverse of Madness fundamentally fails Wanda; if you didn't watch Wandavision you're going to be confused because theres some set up there (she has a kid in another dimension now??) they don't explain well. But if you *did* watch Wandavision you're going to be frustrated because Wanda feels like a different character than she was at the end of Wandavision and her arc is just a worse version of the Wandavision character arc. Wanda in MoM was very much a lose lose situation i'm not sure theres an easy fix for it.
This is one of those things I just learned about American comics to be honest. I couldn't get into American comics for the longest time because I came from the manga world where you start at volume one and read the 3 or 10 or 100 volumes, and that's the story. Going to be like "I want to start reading X-Men" is crazy if you go in with this mentality, because you're not going to be able to read every volume of X-Men, let alone every related series. But I jumped in at the Fall of X and I'm basically following, with the help of wiki. Which at least we have, you didn't have constantly updated resources in the 90s like that!
But I haven't felt that much about the MCU ever, and I don't know. I'm not interested in the shows, so I've only seen Wandavision and Secret Invasion, but I've seen every movie and yeah, it's fine. If you know Monica Rambeau was in Wandavision at all you're ahead of the game, she doesn't really do anything I can imagine will be important in The Marvels. I'm sure there will be a line like "wow this is crazier than that witch in New Jersey" "oh you met Wanda?” and that'll be the extent of that.
Also agreed, this looks like a fun movie. I kind of hope it's fun in a stand alone way because at this point that would be better than trying to shoehorn in a bunch of stuff they're pretending they planned out
I had never watched Incredible Hulk, Iron Man 2, and Thor when I saw Avengers 1 and I never felt that I "needed" to see those movies to understand anything in this movie. Idk why this complaint is only a thing *now*.
There’s some nuance to this argument I’d like to add.
1 - Marvel has lost the ability to meaningfully tie its IP together.
If you watched WandaVision before you watched Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness, you would like DS:MoM LESS because it actively undermines Wanda’s character arc from her show.
On top of that, we are not addressing the Mordo threat from the end of DS’s first movie.
Because of this, how can I trust that characterization of Spectrum from WandaVision or Kamala from her show even matter?
How closely will the Marvels try to follow up on Captain Marvel? The decision to make that movie a 90s nostalgia grab means it happened 30* years ago. If they try to follow it closely, what has Carol been doing for 3 decades!?!
2 - Many people don’t want to watch the shows because they are bad.
My friends have been with Marvel since Iron Man. We thought WandaVision and Loki were good the first time through and that the rest have been really disappointing.
As time passed, DS:MoM and Ant-man:Quantum Mania have made both of those shows worse.
Only GotG 3 has met Marvel’s standards in recent years, so we’re taking a break from their IP until it stops getting worse every quarter.
Personally, I think the Arrowverse is more daunting to get into, because you’re dealing with shows that have 20+ ep seasons at the minimum, whilst you have to navigate around crossovers and make sure you’re up to speed on most shows before jumping into the crossovers (I made the biggest mistake by not being caught up on Arrow before watching the 2nd Arrowverse crossover that introduced the Legends of Tomorrow).
That's pretty much how most people assume comics work. People see a high number like "Batman #125" and just assume that they need to have read #1-124 in order to understand what's happening. (I used to think that too until I finally just bit the bullet and started reading comics)
They've been doing this at least since the first Avengers: "I'm also a big fan of the way that you lose control and turn into a giant rage monster."
I wish Marvel started including recaps of shows before their films as they released whether or not they had anything to do with the film. Even if it didn’t make people actually watch the shows it could’ve at least familiarized them with the basic points of what went down just to bring people up to speed
“Last time, in the Marvel Cinematic Universe; new heroes pop up every Thursday thru Tuesday, with all kinds of powers, abilities and suits. New faces using old names and labels shine and soar high in the sky like a falcon. With the destruction of Thanos and peace being restored to the universe with lives renewed all is seemingly well. But with a tyrant gone and the battle won and no imminent danger, is the universe truly safe?”
@@Jkjazz123 Find out on this exciting entry of: THE MCU!
They have Marvel studios legends for charcters when a new project with them comes out.
On disney plus and now most of them are on youtube
They don't do full recaps but generally in the movies they summarize the important details and I'm not 100% sure but don't they also have a series called marvel legends were it gives you a basic rundown of characters in the mcu.
I think the hate is pretty tame compared to Captain Marvel. Also Marvels been pretty hit & miss lately so it’s brought out more doomers than before.
There are definitely things that you can complain about in the MCU, but I feel like people will find anything to rant about with this series
Thank you so much for the ray of rational thinking in the chaotic storm of entertainment news. It feels like things have gotten out of hand with the negative opinions. My family and I like to sit down and watch movies and occasionally TV shows together and Marvel has been fun. No grand opinions about what this fictional world mean to us, just a thing to watch together.
Brie Larson's attitude towards men is what turned people off. I get it, she's "oppressed", but you can't then expect people to see your movie after. My wife saw that clip and was turned off. It's the attitude. I like the actress that plays Ms. Marvel, she should have her own movie, but the ratings were too low.
Why is oppressed in quotes?
There is a scene where Kamala explains where she got the bangle from. It’s from one of the videos where the cast is interviewed on the Marvel channel.
The clunkiest, most forced aspects of Guardians 3 (a really good movie generally) were the things it was forced to deal with from previous movies. My concern isn’t that they won’t look right at the camera and explain things directly to me, it’s that I think that makes the project worse overall that they have to
Hey Nando! Long-time fan of yours. I thought the Godzilla bit was funny, so I thought I’d share a fun fact/thought I’ve had for a while as a big Godzilla fan: the old Toho Kaiju films of the 50’s-70’s actually have a very similar structure to the MCU, especially Phase One! Godzilla had his own movie, as well as a few sequels, while Mothra and Rodan got their own solo films. Then Godzilla and Mothra met for their own film, and then Rodan, Mothra, and Godzilla all teamed up to fight King Ghidorah like the Avengers. They continued to make Godzilla and other Kaiju films, teaming up here and there, and eventually had an Infinity War/Endgame type mega team with most of the other monsters to fight King Ghidorah again called “Destroy All Monsters”! The only studio other than Marvel who’s been able to successfully do an inter-connected cinematic universe was Toho 50 years before Marvel did! Lol
The shows don't even line up with the movies. Sure Wandavision introduced Wanda's kids for Doctor Strange 2, but then that movie ignored anything to do with Vision, Wanda being framed as a victim in her show rather than a villain, or any of the other plot points they set up.
Its kind of always been like that.
Iron Man destroys all of his suits and retired in Iron Man 3 and then he's back like nothing happened in Avengers 2.
also the Wanda we pick up with at the start of 2 Doctor 2 Strange forgets the lesson she learned in WandaVision, so in a way it's actually better to not have seen the series when watching the film.
@@sixtytwo. True I feel like I would've liked that movie more without the context of the show.
@@BaithNa Yeah the MCU has a lot of inconsistencies in some areas. Like Tony and Pepper's constant on off relationship that never had any chemistry to begin with.
For me, it's not that I won't understand who they are, it's that I won't care. Cap getting his Endgame ending doesn't hit the same if you haven't watched any other Cap movies. Tony making the sacrifice doesn't mean as much if you didn't see his development. You can piece together who they are, but it's not the same. Two of the three leads of this film were established elsewhere. I don't know where they're at in their character arcs and I'm not likely to watch 12 hours of somewhere between "fine" and "pretty good" TV to care.
I'm certain there are a ton a jabronis who want to hate on it because they're haters or sexist or anti-marvel, but I feel that what I explained is a genuine way to feel about the movie.
Growing up, I followed a few comic series, but I mostly didn’t get into many because of exactly this problem. I was very excited with the Age of Apocalypse event. Not when it was going on, but when they dropped the trade paperbacks. I bought the whole set at once, and the fact that I had mostly no idea who these characters were, and it didn’t matter because all of time was changed. Former good guys were bad, former bad guys were good… nothing in the normal continuity mattered. And then a year later, it ended, time was restored, and the event was done.
One thing I thought they did well with the first Guardians movie, was release a trailer that told you who everyone was. The lineup scene trailer was a smart idea.
That is a good idea
The Marvels has done that in their commercials but its obviously not connecting with people at the same level as the Guardians commercials did
@@BaithNa No, the commercials didn't do it well enough.
@@ShadowSonic2there was a ten minutes trailer going over each of the three characters
I'm like the only big fan of
Captain Marvel I like the way the actress portrays the character I like the way they handled the villains and how they did the origin story completely different from other Marvel movies with her remembering and regaining memories instead of doing a tired origin movie I like her and I like her dry serious take on the character almost stone faced she is an alien that does not understand earth a real fish out of water story
Ms Marvel was a fun high school teen super hero show a good Marvel show over all I like the family aspect a lot and she is adorable in the role so cute and full of personality a fun character that's a Marvel fan girl who then gets powers and becomes a superhero the show was good Ms Marvel is one of my favorite new Marvel characters the actress is so good in the role
personally, I am very excited for The Marvels! Brie Larson is fine, as is Teonna Parrish... but Iman Vellani is A DELIGHT! I can not wait for her and Sam Jackson together on screen!!
I think a lot of people may have a problem with it since Doctor Strange: The sons of Wanda are, in my opinion, the only real bad example of introducing a character from a series into a movie, and people just fixated on that example to say that now you need to see all the series and movies beforehand.
tbh, as a teenage indian boy, i LOVED the Ms. Marvel show. Kamala just had such personality, and she felt relatable on a level only Miles and Gwen from Spiderverse 2 managed to pull off. Like, the references to Shah Rukh Khan, i do talk about bollywood movies to my friends (even if they don't always get it). the show's visualization of Kamala's love life... that's exactly how i feel about my crush rn. her attitude toward the "aunties" in her friend group, always gossiping about people or their kids or whatever is so relatable. She also looks nice which is also a plus. It's just that i think she's going to get wasted on a movie which is primarily about 2 other characters fighting intergalactic armies of 50 men strong, in a volume set, with a villlain who i'm most likely not going to care for (i mean, it's fine if she doesn't get her own movie but it would be nice). also, why didn't they just make the Supreme Intelligence the main villain. it would be an interesting villain, almost like Ego. However, Ms. Marvel always felt like a Spider-man level hero, living in the neighborhood, stopping bad guys in brooklyn, occasionally getting a big story, but it just feels like a whiplash in scale. kinda like if after endgame, you made an avengers movie with a villain like ... skateboard-man (idk if that's real or not). it's the same energy.
Personally, I haven't watched any of the Marvel shows nor have I read pretty much any Marvel comics. So far, my viewing experience, at least in my opinion, has not suffered at all. Like, I don't think Wandavision would have made me enjoy Doctor Strange 2, which I actually liked, any more than I actually did. The films give the necessary context that I may have missed out on and moves the story on from there.
The only film that I've been even kind of disappointed by was Thor 4 and that's really only because I'd watched some videos on the original comic book story and heard how great it was. Other than that film, none of the MCU films have come close to letting me down. They're all enjoyable in their own ways and I expect The Marvels to also be an enjoyable film. Ms. Marvel seems like a particularly fun character. Wait, I just remembered that I also found the Eternals to be boring, but that and Thor 4 are the only films that haven't satisfied me.
If I were to look at the MCU like comic books, then the films are the necessary reading of an event while the shows are tie-in comics that add extra context and introduce new characters.
I always feel pretty validated when Nando shares a similar opinion I have. I see the same complaint for Star Wars media too and how friends of mine tell others who show an interest in a star wars but they haven't seen all of Star Wars.
One example I saw when a pal of mine who never watched all of the star wars shows wanted to see Ashoka and all of my star wars pals were like "oh before you watch Ashoka you have to watch ALL OF CLONE WARS AND REBELS or you're not gonna understand anything" and I am like "Bullshit, no you don't." You can just watch the show and, if the show is smart enough, they'll just explain it through some dialogue or through visual storytelling.
Also, do people not know the Internet exists? They could just read about it or watch a TH-cam video that explains everything before the show or movie comes out and it's like less than 20 min.
I'm sorry, I think I still respectfully disagree. When people say "I haven't watched the movie/show that character is introduced in", they aren't saying that they won't understand the character's powers or their core concept. The issue they're expressing is that the MCU has started to have a tendency of using characters poorly, setting aside payoffs for future stories, and kind of just using them for cameos. I can't think of a BETTER example than your example of Dr. Strange in Ragnarok, who is present but not at all a character in that story, having no relevance to it's central tension. They aren't saying "this character will confuse me", they're saying "I would prefer to watch a movie about characters who are established and explored, who undergo conflict and tension before eventually finding resolution in this story, not between stories. This character means nothing to me, so their mere presence in a movie isn't enough for me to enjoy them."
The MCU under Disney's control has shown a consistent struggle to keep or make characters distinct, to let them live in whatever movie they're in, to fulfill a role in that story. They reset characters between movies (Quill, Tony after IM3) or resolve their central remains off screen (Banner, anyone?), and even build entire movies around events between films (Wakanda Forever), leaving each individual appearance as a cameo no matter how long they're in the movie.
Honorable mention goes to Scarlet Witch going full ham as a villain in multiverse of madness and Doctor Strange being the unreliable mentor archetype in Spider-Man, but my point stands.
(edit: typo, clarity)
Thank you so much for saying it. I have seen this complaint so much, but always dismissed it. I remembering talking to people about Secret Invasion, telling them the show gives you what you need to generally understand the show, though seeing Captain Marvel and Infinity War/Endgame fills out some stuff. I remember telling people after I saw Avengers that they don't need to see the solo films because the movie spent enough time teaching you who each character is.
Marvel fan who watches all the Marvel Stuff: You don't have to watch all the Marvel stuff. Actually you don't need to watch any of it, if you don't want to. They're entertainment, if they're not giving you joy, then you can find something that does.
Edit! Oh! Its like comics! Yes, there's a long, complicated and a little frustrating history attach, but you can pick up any issue and just start with that.
"No Nando, I wanna preach that the MCU is dying online! And choose to reject simple logic and historical traditions the movies have already set up!"
(yes I am obviously joking, and yes I am only kidding about trolls online, I think with most casual fans it's okay and totally normal that this question has popped up, and very useful to get this kind of reminder in this video)
People only now complaining about this are only doing it because they want an excuse to hate. I’ve been saying this for years: I think you should only have to watch the movie(s) that it is a direct sequel of. That’s why Spider-Man NWH isn’t top 10 because it requires you to have seen at least 7 movies prior to it 5 of which aren’t mcu
Also, I'm sorry - but your comparison to Guardians is ridiculous. The first Guardians movie set up the expectation that it was a movie with a whole new team of characters that were not introduced in any previous MCU movies. It was essentially it's own bubble within the MCU. We got a little taste of Thanos, which for the astute eye, drew in the Avengers connection, but that's it. The Marvels is essentially a sequel to 3 different shows/movies. It's not the same thing at all.
@Thenandocut there’s a massive detail you left out which is the fact that I for 1 prefer the actors to either actually talk about the projects they’re part and DO NOT mention Racism or Sexism at all I avoided Captain Marvel for a long time I only eventually watched it because of a family subscription to Disney + also they’re typically so tone deaf and out of touch with the rest of society to the point where half the time they should’ve just NOT said anything! Otherwise pretty good video.
President Biden should lean on AMPTP to give SAG-AFTA what they want. He still owes workers for his shitty handling of the rail workers contract negotiation. And Biden is nominally a Democrat, so he's sorta supposed to side with labor now and then.
Good points. I’ll add one more. No one complained that Mantis was suddenly Peter’s sister between Guardians 2 & 3. There is no way everyone watching that movie saw the Christmas special. The actually went out of their way to make the exposition extra expositiony as a meta joke for those of us who understood what they were doing. Were there complaints about that?
I watched all the shows and don't feel compelled to go see it. Seems like a fun movie, sure? But were in phase 4 (i think) and fun isnt just gonna cut it anymore.
The films now have to be important to draw people back in. This film doesn't seem important, no notable villain, just nothing.
Do people not know about Marvel Legends? It's basically a "previously in the MCU" for characters for an upcoming project.
I would like to disagree. It is not enough to just know what some character's super powers are, you also need a reason to care about them. This is why, usually, films take a bit of time to establish their characters before the actual plot happens, but if the character already appeared in another MCU film, the writers will skip that and assume that you do already care. Thus, if you jump into some Marvel Film without having seen a couple of the previous ones, you will be confronted with a lot of people that are treated as very important but who mean next to nothing to you.
I think the best mcu movie was civil war,it introduced black panther and spiderman and we didn’t have to know there back story(although most people already knew of spiderman) and it also had a compelling villain who dispite not having any powers was able to take down the avengers,Marvel just doesn’t do that any more
Despite what marvel fanboys will say: The reason this movie seems uninteresting isn't because of sexism. Probably a small portion of the hate is sexism. It's actually that captain marvel herself is just not an interesting character. Ms. Marvel is 10x more interesting but she's not enough to make me see it.
You wanna know why I won't watch this movie? Because I'm being bombarded by ads for it here on TH-cam, something like at least six times every day for the past ten days.
I think Marvel's marketing works on its own - everyone says you have to watch everything
As someone who watches everything and went to a few movies with a lot of friends who didnt watch anything I was the one who said you have to watch What If, Wandavision, Loki, Deadpool, Spiderman NWH and Doctor Strange for MOM. Turned out the movie only mentioned Westview, everything else was either lightly referenced or not mentioned at all, even Wandavision wasnt necessary imo, my friends just figured from context.
You dont need to watch anything to understand, sometimes not even the first movie.
Most movies catch you up in the first minutes in a way that even if i wanna take my mom who didnt watch anything she'll understand and enjoy the movie in a 9/10 level. Yeah, if she would wanna understand 100% of it she'll need to know every peice of media, read every comics, know all pop culture and practically everything.
No one catches every single easter egg, big or small but no easter egg, big or small, is important, thats the idea of an easter egg.
I honestly really liked Captain Marvel after rewatching it. I do want to see The Marvels movie but I don’t plan on going to the cinema for it because it doesn’t feel like it’s worth it. The stakes are the same as any other movie according to the trailers. The gimmick is that the characters swap places as they try to save the universe or whatever. 🤷🏻♂️ I do hope to hear good things about it opening weekend that causes me to go see it though.
The reason I’m not excited for the marvels is because I never got a moment were I felt a strong connection for carol, Monica I didn’t get a lot of time, Kamala is honestly I feel will be the best part of this movie. Hopefully everyone is wrong and this movie is amazing.
This argument only works if you’re already sitting down in the theater watching the movie.
But to someone who’s on the fence or needs to be convinced by the trailer having 2/3rds of your main characters being complete unknowns is a turn off.
This is especially the case when they find out that this isn’t the first time they appeared. Like with the falcon or the guardians when you walked into the theater you knew that you’re starting at zero for them nothing missed no other baggage.
I feel like this is what people voice as a complaint to be a euphemism of why they really don't want to see it. You know the reason. Dem wammens. I'm still looking forward to seeing it!
Iman on hot ones would be pure comedy! I do wish they could do the promo runs.
Sunday November 3rd? *confused*
Stop the Cap.. How much is MCU Paying you to Defend the Movie ??
lol
You're right, it's a bad reason to not see it. For me I'm just burned out on the crappy "content". They don't feel like new shows or movies - it feels like content. I'm done with Star Wars after Obi Wan, and done with Marvel on Disney + (besides Loki, gotta support Tom H and Key Huy Quan!). Secret Wars was a bummer. All the shows have great people in them, they just feel lazy. Same for the recent movies (besides GOTG3). It's like they're on draft 1 or 2 of the screen plays. I even like Brie Larson as Captain Marvel but.... like why make the effort to leave the house? Not feeling it on this one. I didn't even see GOTG3 in the movie theater.
This is really interesting cuz this was one of the complaints that I did buy into.
Marvel cant win. People would complain either way. The writers just need to pick a lane. Either assume everyone watched everything and gloss over it, or assume they didnt and include the relevant info.
Given that the trailer for the Marvel’s shows a bit with the villain wearing a bangle similar to Ms Marvel’s bangle, I feel like her origin and powers are going to be key to the plot, so it’ll be necessary to explain her for the plot to work regardless of the Ms Marvel show existing.
I'm so hyped fot The Marvels, mostly because of Ms. Marvel, I hope this is great and people love it
For real. Nothing happens in the shows anyways (besides Loki.) Literally just google a single 2 minute article and you'll understand everything. I promise you won't have to know anything about the red daggers or the clairvoyants or whatever the fuck in Ms. Marvel to understand the Marvels. I promise.
I dunno if the segment of people you're talking to is that big or even watches youtube for marvel news.
This reminds me of Maria Hill's line in Age of Ultron when talking about Wanda and Pietro "He's fast and she's weird".
All we need.
It does feel like the interconnectedness of the MCU was sometimes a bit of a crutch. I know some people who really enjoy the idea of watching everything because for them it's like solving a puzzle by collecting all the pieces. I think this is nice for a lot of people just because it's never been done before, but then they probably feel so much pressure now to keep up and feel bad when they can't.
I think the main problem is most fans don't have an emotional connection with Captain Marvel to be honest. Disney knows this, hence they added two other characters to prop the movie up. I'd rather this was a movie focused on Monica's story, developing her character arch, and showing how she overcomes the challenges of using the powers she got from the whole Wondervision saga. Captain Marvel is not a well-written or likeable character. I'm sure you really loved the first Captain Marvel movie, lol.
Funny, that's what people said about Captain America and why his sequels always had co-stars.
People who are used to being "the cool kids" and knowing how pop culture fits together... they are the ones who don't want to be one-upped by someone younger who knows less about movies and literature generally.