@@TheAwesomeDarkNinjaI disagree, the problem with Obi Wan Kenobi is completely different. The show was supposed to be a movie, but when Disney decided to invest on streaming, Bob Iger probably forced Lucasfilm to change their plans and turn it into a series. You can feel this is true because the plot feel spread thin between so many episodes and the Rebel stuff feels shoehorned in to make the story longer.
Yeah, that was my concern with this series going into it. This arc in the comics was HUGE, and it shook up the comics world in some major ways. MCU has always been very cautious about letting events from one movie/show ripple out into other movies. Secret Invasion should have been at least as big as Hydra's takeover in Winter Soldier/Agents of Shield. Stuff like that is why I'm really worried about Secret Wars delivering anything on the scale of its source material or even Infinity War/Endgame
I feel the same way. Would have been a great way to start anew after Endgame. Just have every movie have this B plot mystery with skrulls, then end the phase with avengers secret invasion movie.
This show is a perfect example of the importance of writing and how you can't just rely on good actors to save your project. The Secret Invasion cast has some of the best working actors, but without good direction and competent writing, they all come off looking bad.
I agree, the writers seem to think they could just pad out 20 min of laborious setup to get any 2 of them into a room together, then let them shout at each other for 10min and then the last 10 min try to build tension for the next episode, and that is all they needed. I got tired of the 'people hiding and on the run yelling at each other in semi-public and not getting noticed' scenes.
Main problem is with the comics you could switch out a million different characters for the skrull to be or combine as. But a tv show is limited by budget and contracts.
Marvel shows continue to pretend the other projects didn't happen. No one is mentioning a giant alien body after the Eternals, even though it is supposed to be so big you can see it from space. lol
@@SammEater And just the head of one was a vibrant colony due to how resource rich celestial bodies are. Just the remnants of the resources left were enough to sustain the modern knowhere. The giant celestial corpse would spark a resource war bigger than all previous wars on earth combined.
I think they’ve always tried to characterize Nick Fury as a badass, intelligent, and then somehow constantly showing he’s not really a badass and not really all that smart, he’s mostly just there being the decider thinking his deciding is the best deciding however inconsistent it is
I dont understand why they didnt even try to have a scene where Fury explains to him that his life was saved by a skrull. Guess thats not important info
@@prolastmedia6171 Wouldn't change anything. He's a president, all presidents are bastards really. Thinking that one good individual could change policy is naive. The good immigrant never ended racism, or racist policies.
Add to that Maria Hill, who gets killed so *checks notes* the Skrulls can have political leverage over him? He totally ghosts on her mother who demanded that he make sure she died for a reason. "Lol nope."
Honestly I feel like the fact that the president's life is saved by an alien and then he goes and publicly condemns them feels pretty realistic. I feel like it could have worked better if we had seen Fury trying to explain that the skrulls that almost caused a global conflict were a splinter group, and THEN the president is like "I don't care, aliens are bad and evil" would be better. Because as it happens in the show, it just makes it seem like Fury never bothered to talk to the guy.
The montage at the end of the series showing people freaking out and hunting down Skrulls (and suspected Skrulls) was what I was expecting the majority of the show to be like. Instead, it's just shoved into a montage in the final episode. That moment when some shot a woman that they thought was a Skull was the most emotion I felt the entire series.
YES! When I was watching that scene, my first thought was "Why wasn't this the whole show!???" We, as the audience, should of been questioning a few characters throughout the entire show. But more importantly, the characters within the show should also be suspecting other characters. They could of done a whole "Red Scare" plotline, and could serve as a social commentary on today's Conspiracy Theorist. So much wasted potential :/
I saw clips of that montage on twitter, and I thought that was HALFWAY through the series, or the beginning of the third act at the latest. A big twist and showing how dangerous this all is and how important it is for the main characters to fix things, and then I find out THAT'S THE ENDING? THAT'S SO DUMB
Why does no one see how stupid of a ending this is?! The PRESIDENT told people to kill Skrulls, and they can be ANYBODY (He has a way to find them... somehow...), and it shows people randomly killing other people, and 1 of them wasn't a Skrull out of 4 PEOPLE! HOW DOES ANYONE WORK WITH THAT?! HOW DID THE PRESIDENT GET THIS WORD OUT WITH NO CONSEQUENCES!?
Nick Fury is a Super Spy. The premise of Secret Invasion calls together McCarthy Era Red Scare shit. This premise had so much potential for political intrigue. No hate, just, like, missed opportunities man.
I agree I think they should have not had super skrulls here at all. Imo they shouldve had Gravik survive this show and come back as the villain in the fantastic four or something, he couldve become the Super Skrull in that movie
Agent of shield and winter soldier had the hydra card to play. Secret invasion had no new cards. We knew all the elements at play before the show started.
It's crazy how Spiderman: Far From Home did the "trust no one" thing better than secret invasion with the whole illusion thing even though that movie had NOTHING TO DO WITH SKRULLS
YES. It's just SO bad that it's either intentional either it's AI script that was took as it is. Cause I can't believe that human being with any experience in stories and drama could produce it. It's impossible.
You know what, that would explain the weird DNA stuff. An AI wouldn't realize that tattoos and rings aren't a part of DNA, or that magic is supposed to be something you learn
Secret Invasion could've been phase 4. All of the skrulls take advantage of the blip and insert themselves into positions of power. Then it's up to a combination of the new characters they introduce and some of the old characters to save the day. Instead we got a phase 4 which was basically about nothing and it kinda felt like a waste of time.
Yeah this was such an obvious decision, Phase 4 couldve ended with Avengers: Secret Invasion and had the new cast of avengers fight against body doubles of the old cast as a symbolic passing of the torch. Marvel execs are brain dead for tanking what was the most popular franchise in the world lmao
Green goblins taking over the government for an entire phase would of not been interesting like it wasn’t here. Let’s face it, Secret Invasion the comic wasn’t all that interesting either.
And I think Kang is a bit of a dud too, that's even before potential legal issues for Majors. I'd be curious if the Marvels drops some Galactus hints to try and pivot to that for the rest of Phase 5
This series should’ve been the follow-up to the Infinity Saga. I think a more personal and mysterious route would’ve made sense, since it’s hard to follow up Thanos with a bigger threat. Instead of having a bigger threat, it would’ve been more interesting to not know who *is* the threat.
Imagine the idea of this being a "during the 5 years" story meaning some skrulls could be hiding as dusted people, dusted avengers, and such, it would be so cool
Idk I like the idea of different teams being the focus of different sagas. Instead of the focus on the avengers it focuses on Fantastic 4 and then after their saga we go to the X-men then the Inhumans then to uh... Well at that point it will be like 2050. Gives it a core to focus around while introducing these new characters as old ones get cycled out. Marvel has a lot of super teams and super societies that exist simultaneously.
That first scene, with the Everett Ross reveal, set up exactly the type of ambiguous and tense feeling that the whole show should have had. And then every single scene after this felt lazier and lazier and blander and blander. It very well may be the most careless show they've ever done
My biggest gripe was that the "evil" skrulls were plot devices. When the group of skrulls turned on gravik, there was hope for a morally ambiguous stance for the skulls. But then he just... kills all of them? Rhodey was just pure evil, blindly following gravik and following his vision. They showed nothing on the skrull that was Rhodey if they had their own agenda. It was so weak
It’s embarrassing how this all turned out. Guardians Vol 3 was really the only thing that stopped the MCU from releasing its two worst projects back to back.
Man, Talos really got screwed from every direction. He went to bat for a guy that disappointed him for 30 years, his wife dies, his people mutiny and appoint a genocidal child as leader, the last time he sees his daughter she calls him a disappointment, and the person he gave his life to protect goes on national TV and vows to eradicate his people. Damn. That sucks. This sucks.
They should have done the following: - more paranoia, obviously. - secret warriors: characters like Ghost and winter soldier cannot be replicated because their powers aren't fully biological (or apparently ghost's are, which is very strange). This was the perfect time for them to be involved so that there's some resemblance to the comics. - have skrull Rhodes wear the suit. It's a superpower sitting right there that they can access at any time and they don't bother despite military tech being perfect for a spy thriller. - a friend of mine suggested Giah should be Abigail Brand, who a comics character who's half alien and has green fire powers.
I find it hilarious in hindsight that I started watching this series with my mom (she seems to like some of the stuff okay) but after like two episodes of this she asked if I could just watch it on my own. She knew.
The multiverse saga honestly should’ve been saved for the third big saga, doing secret wars in the second saga doesn’t feel right because secret wars is pretty much as big as you can get and it feels like that would be a great way to complete a trilogy of sagas instead of having it be the conclusion of the second. This saga should’ve been all about the invasion with the hints and interconnections between films and shows involving a possible skrull invasion like how they included and dropped hints at the infinity stones and thanos eventually coming. It would’ve been really interesting because it would not only be awesome to watch all the characters in constant paranoia or suspicion of something bigger going on but it would also be great as a audience member because we could speculate and theorise along with them for a whole saga up until the conclusion when the invasion comes into full effect.
I was taken out of the plot further (than what you noted) with procedural elements that didn't fit within the plot - like the president having basically just a single advisor, and that was Rhodey. Besides having him talk down to an Admiral (a higher rank), the fact that there's basically no other administration members or staff beyond secret service people. The president living in a bubble where only Rhodes interacts with him about policies and actions was so unrealistic that it was distracting.
and how the hell does not a single person bother to question why War Machine just sat in a car while the president was being shot at? nope, we just carry on with him being this unrealistically trusted singular advisor without a hiccup.
I mean to be fair the comics also had this same problem, kinda failing at the whole premise. we look back on them fondly for a strong premise but the actual event wasn't really that strong, kinda failing to deliver on the awesome setup. I mean there was really only two reveals of skrulls that weren't "5 minutes before this scene he was replaced and now 5 minutes later we discover that", and they were both at the very beginning of the event. this one had that moment with Ross, then it had Rhodey, and then it had the reverse twist with fury at the end, at least giving one more good reveal than the comics
@@apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868 my problem with the fury reveal at the end is it harkens back to the central problem that fury doesn’t really grow or do anything exceptional as the protagonist of the show. like nando said, that was his chance to level with gravik but instead he just sends super skrull to super fight him. none of it really grabbed me and i thought the majority of it was a stumble
if New Skrullos was radioactive, the Skrulls that were there would have been trackable by the radiation they were kicking off. But that would require acknowledging that storing humans there for more than a few hours would have been a terrible idea. So I think we can assume it wasn't radioactive OR the people who wrote this episode were just pulling things out of their behinds.
Wdym storing humans was a terrible idea? Whos terrible idea? In fact, if they stored the humans there, and they ended up dying to the radiation they forgot about, then the Skrulls would be better because they swapped bodies, so they can fully take their on their lives, and the Skrulls would have to roll with that because it was an accident, but also made their goals easier to reach, so again, whos terrible idea was it?
I just find it crazy people were saying they thought this was as good as Andor at the start. Andor was fantastic and possibly the best Star Wars show ever made. This started just OK, then took an absolute nosedive.
To be fair, Andor also started with its weakest episodes. At first, Andor wasn't great at establishing personal stakes, and it wasn't until he initially left Ferrix that the show gained a following.
Not only did Fury never have to answer for the lack of a new Skrull home world, Carol Danvers is similarly let off the hook. It is clearly stated that BOTH of them are working on finding them a new planet, and then... nothing. Fury's role in helping the Skrulls is ignored, but Carol's is outright forgotten.
It kind of sucks how quickly it fell apart because after episode 1 I was actually intrigued by a show about a washed up Fury who is going to have to confront his biggest failures and whose instincts are so far gone that he just killed Maria Hill because his gut told him she was a Skrull in that moment, and he clearly can’t trust his intuition anymore. And not only did we not get that, they go on to say that no, Gravik shot Hill and that is far less interesting and nuanced.
hold on what? I agree with parts of this but the idea that it would've been better if fury shot her is insane. like he would definitely not do that, and it was very obviously gravik the whole time, if you seriously thought for a second that was fury that's not the shows problem
The pitch for Secret Invasion went like this, "let's have a giant CGI battle between two people with all the powers" the entire show was to set up that fight no matter how little it made sense
It's crazy just how perfect of an opening act they wrote for Secret Invasion. Crazy because, ya know, they didn't put it at the opening of the show. They had it serve as the epilogue.
Reminder that Animorphs, a "children's" book from the 90s did a secret alien invasion where you could trust no-one better than Secret Invasion did. Read Animorphs, that shit was a lot more mature and dark than people give it credit for. Especially if you're a fan of body horror, that might've been the first time I actually got hooked on that sort of thing
Hot take. Secret Invasion as a story was PERFECT for Disney+!!! But they blew it. Picture this. A show with 3 seasons running for 3 to 4 years. Parallel with the movies. In the shadows... an ACTUAL secret from movie audiences! Make small cameos that work in the context of the specific movie, but people who watch the show know it's a Skrull. Take the "Agents of Shield angle" and show the aftermatch of movies, revealing something there to be Skrull related. Build Giah up as the Skrull Queen and eventually make her the Super Skrull. Take the Skrull from a small group of rebels in the pilot all the way to controlling major global governments. Let us see they rise!! And than you end everything in a movie! A pseudo-avengers movie (just like Civil War) with whatever main character you want, and as that character has no idea what is going on, you have the perfect excuse to catch-up movie audiences as well. Than if the movie turn out to be well recieved, suddenly you have a influx of people wanting to see the prequel right there in your streaming service.
This thing cost all together over 200 Million. Yes that's enough for at least 2 seasons of tight episodes. This was Chapek plan of hiding money and cooking the books... until he was caught.
I said years ago when Secret Invasion was announced, that the interesting thing about this show would be that in addition to the usual "who's a Skrull, who isn't?" we would have Skrull factions, so even if you know someone is a Skrull you still don't know which side they are; and what you said before, if you look away of a human for just one moment you no longer know if they're themselves or a Skrull; and well, what did we actually have. If I'd been in charge, at some point someone would've been revealed as a secret Skrull, but plot twist they're a good guy! (and possibly go beyond and have a Skrull be a double or triple agent, get complicated because you *can* , you have shapeshifters)
I think the montage at the end could have worked if the President didn't go 'all aliens are bad' and just told the truth about how a Skrull saved his life from another Skrull. Once the body snatcher idea is out there, even though there are good Skrull, people would be paranoid. Mix into the montage clips of some Skrull ask for asylum in New Asgard to live in their own skin, radiation clean up crew coming out as being Skrull all along, and some random grandma being interviewed saying she knew her grandson didn't survive cancer and is a Skrull along, but she is just so happy he is continuing her grandson life work or something like that.
The lack of Monica is baffling borderline frustrating. I’m surprised that she and Gaia or Gravik had no relationship. Come to think of it, Monica and Gravik would’ve made a good couple. Potentially having her fight him with Carols powers would’ve been cool.
My biggest issue with the current phase is nothing feels consequential to the universe or nothing big that happens is mentioned in other movies so it feels oddly disconnected. No one brings up the fact the sky became night one time (moonknight) or the giant thing on eternal. Like maybe there's explainations why no one seems to care about the crazy stuff going on but marvel never gives explanations. Michael Bays Transformers much as those movies were bad in ways, at least everything big that happened had lasting consequences for example, the big traumatic invasion of chicago in the third movie, despite the autobots winning that battle and saving humanity, so many people died from that, the 4th movie showed how humans fell out of trust of having cybertronians in general good or bad on earth. Like you'd see posters of primes face saying "enemy" or people making money from dead robots from the battle. Again those movies were bad but they somehow had more connectivity than current marvel. You'd think the fact random civilizations and heroes start appearing like the water people from black panther 2, the new iron person, the moonknight, all these things don't take place in isolated areas, like you'd think people would be seeing these things and saying something especially with the internet existing. But no nothing. If i was in that universe, I'd kind of be terrified to go outside.
Even taking into account multiverse theory, that feels like a really tall ask. Secret Invasion is such a massive storyline that the only way to do it right as a tv series is if the entire overarching franchise is in tv format. With a franchise like the MCU where a significant portion of the projects are movies? It was never going to work as a tv show. It should've been, at the very least, a dual Avengers film like Infinity War and Endgame; if not the focus of an entire multiple phase long Saga. I think having the first 3 phases of the MCU being the Secret Invasion Saga probably would've been better for the long term lifespan of the MCU instead of the Infinity Saga, actually.
The president's war on skrulls speech and the montage of ensuing violence should have been the first scene of the show...and the rest of the show should have been about how the characters navigate the new status quo and try to broker a peace....or a series of flashbacks that lead up to that scene to reveal the pres was a skrull the whole time.
Agreed! Have the Ross or Rhodes reveal right at the start, the President is then so scared they start a war on the Skrulls. That is your inciting incident and sets up the premise of the show with the interesting question, who does Fury choose to protect, Earth or the Skrulls, and who can he trust? In a show like this characters can’t trust each other, that’s what creates the drama, reveals, betrayals and traps should have been the foundation in the writing. For example characters having a secret phrase/code even something as simple as that would be better to establish the Cold War espionage setting they were going for
I took the fact that Rhodey was wearing a hospital gown and that his leg injury was emphasised right after Ross asked how long he’d been imprisoned to mean he was switched between the body and epilogue of civil war when he was recovering in hospital, but I suppose you’re right that they’d have wiggle room to say basically anything if they wanted to later
To be fair in the comics the Skrulls were THAT GOOD at disguising themselves. It wasn't until the end of the arc they were able to detect who is a Skrull thanks to Reed Richards. I don't have a huge issue with the series not coming up with a way to detect Skrulls minus seriously wounding them. Also Talos did indicate that the Skrulls that weren't with the emperor are on Earth so its conceivable that the Kree / Skrull was was continuing in the background. The peace talks would make sense and even more sense is Cap Marvel was involved. My issue with the episode are that the decision made were just...wha?? Not to mention the prcoedural inconsistencies another poster pointed out. I was into the show until the finale. I literally screamed no no no no! when G'iah and Gravik gained the powers of some of the Avengers. Im sorry that was just....duuuuumb. After that great performance between Jackson and Adir they total botched it with that move. U actually gave G'iah the real Harvest which btw when the hell did they create a vial that housed multiple dna samples and they weren't contaminated? I'm not a geneticist but pretty even in Marvel comics u don't do that until u want the samples to go bad. can contain multiple dna samples without the samples being contaminated. And no mention of maybe the samples mixing wouldn't result in something u really dont want to happen. Ok so past that...the plan was for G'iah and Gravik to get the powers and duke it out? Besides the fact you pretty much made them gods...what if G'iah lost? what then? annnd ok she wins. she is just walking around with all those powers? huh? Then Sonya scoops her up and offers her a deal...obviously a reference to M1-13 but this is how u choose to debut it? again wha?? Then u have the fact that the human hostages being held in the skrull camp just go outside and not one of them we see falls victim to radiation poisoning? Where were the rescue team with HASMAT suits? I have been a supporter of MCU for a while but this ep....I can't defend it. Just...dumb.
Why am I constantly seeing those comments about the DNA? How exactly do you imagine DNA to think it will merge into something new when a few samples are put together? DNA is a thread with coded genetic information. Imagine a normal thread, for sewing. Imagine putting a few of those into one vial. Would they create a new different thread by themselves? Of course not. They will remain the same threads. It might be difficult to separate them, and it would be far more difficult to separate different samples of DNA, but the single DNA threads wouldn't change. The liquid in the vial isn't actually DNA, it's just there to prevent damage to the DNA molecules. As for contamination, sorry, what? DNA samples can be contaminated, sure, but... I really don't understand what you can possibly mean by that. Contamination occurs when we've got a sample of DNA we want to analyze and some other DNA, a scientist's skin cells for example, gets into our sample. But it doesn't mean that the DNA is damaged. It just means that analyzing such a mixture of DNA, without separating it, can give unreliable results. If the goal isn't identifying who the DNA belongs to, but instead, the goal is to just take all the DNA into your body, then contamination doesn't matter, because even contaminated DNA is fine, it just can't be used to identify its "owner". What is stupid, on the other hand, is that the Gravik's machine seems to have separated the mixture of DNA and identify to whom which sample belonged. While I can believe the super advanced machine can perfectly separate a mixture containing tens of DNA samples, it's just impossible to identify which hero each sample belongs to; no matter the technological advancement. And that's because the mere genetic information obtained from the DNA tells you nothing. You need a sample from a known source for comparison. And if they had such samples from the heroes, they wouldn't need to gather DNA from the battlefield.
@@dwdillydally I love her, but she's getting shitty roles one after the other and her acting felt lazy and emotionless, like she didn't even wanted to be there.
For another (better) Bodysnatchers/Secret Invasion-style thing, I would also recommend the Doctor Who two-parter Zygon Invasion/Zygon Inversion. It starts off with pretty much the exact same premise as SI, but manages to pull off a much better story in a much shorter span of time, with plenty of moments like you suggested here where characters have no idea who around them is real or not, and actually uses that concept in some interesting ways
Glad someone brought that up. Same type of story done extremely well in only two episodes. And bonny the zygon is a better fleshed out antagonist than Gravik ever was. And the conclusion of that story is what secret invasion needed. We didn’t need a big crazy fight with aliens, they just needed to as the doctor proclaimed “just sit and talk!”
personally I didn't love that episode but I did really like them in the Day of the Doctor, and of course their debut appearance in the classic series is just an iconic serial
I watched the first episode, thought it might've been written by AI because it felt like the most stereotypical and formulaic spy story possible, to a comical extent. So, I never watched episode 2. What a good decision, it seems.
I think the smartest thing to do with Gaia is just show that the powers aren't permanent. We don't know much for sure about the Super Skrull machine or how it works long-term. Maybe the powers wear off. If she has to come back in something, make her arc that she's gotten used to the powers, but they're slipping away now or something? Or just have her fly away to do what Carol failed to, and find them a world someplace.
Super Skrull powers are weaker than the real power and the more powers they use the weaker they get. In the comics they can use a max of 4 powers at once before they become useless. Captain Marvel or Hulk could still 1v1 G'iah.
Only thing that makes sense to me is to embrace how confident she should be going into fights since she’s without question the strongest character in the verse and have a villain build a gun that stops her ability to change her DNA and then kill her
I hate to say it but I think this might be one of Marvel’s worst. I feel like it completely fails it’s premise of a paranoia thriller ‘who can you trust’. Even other bad MCU projects do a good enough job of meeting the premise. And also character arcs…Remember those?!
Why is it everytime marvel release something it the new worst one the only thing I agreed with is people want marvel to fail and that only cos owned by Disney
@@markling5058 I dont think anyone said that Gaurdians, Spiderman, Ms Marvel, etc were the worst MCU things , so your narrative doesnt really fit. But a lot of the recent stuff like this show, Quantamania, She Hulk, Thor Love and Thunder, etc are just not good. Very bad.
@@markling5058 I do not want Marvel to fail, I love Marvel and have a channel mostly about Marvel. I find it frustrating when they make mistakes because I like it so much, but this is the one I really did not like
Best weakness for G'iah is all of her powers are not as powerful as their original users. Like maybe 1/4 of their power. Make her as the most versatile character of the MCU instead
If Rhodey had been swapped out before Infinity War or in the 5 years before Endgame, that would've meant he never got to say goodbye to Tony. That's at least somewhat interesting for the character.
They needed to show Gravik kill the man whose shape he took and the realization that he had about what Fury asked him to do. Maybe taking the shape and visiting his wife and child to parallel what Fury’s wife Vaara promised Priscilla. This either needed to be a 2 hour movie or 12 episode series.
That could have been such an excellent opening! We have no context for it at the start but when it’s revealed that would be such an emotional moment, and Gravik needed to have a confrontation with Fury so much sooner than the final episode
They should have had Fury and Gravik have an emotional moment after he kills his first man during one of the flashbacks, then when Giah in disguise doesn't recognise him he attacks her knowing it's not really Fury -- of course she prevails and gets her revenge. It's odd that Fury gave her the Harvest (why the hell take that risk?) when they both had the same powers already. He should've destroyed it and said "This was a mistake" -- doing so would've fit much better with the theme of not needing metahumans to bail him out.
To your point on why Fury just never found the Skrulls a home, I think an interesting thing they could have done with that is have it be on purpose. Talos says it himself that the work the Skrulls did for Fury is basically what made him so successful. If it had been that Fury wasn't so keen on getting rid of one of his most valuable assets, it could have added another dimension to the character dynamics and also paint Fury in a different light
They tried bringing immigration theme to it and failed, ww know there are numerous habitable planet heck cap marvel and rhodey(skrull or real) have be there, so skrhodey could have told his people
What was the human race supposed to do? With the rare exception (Tony Stark) we're a planet locked species. How the heck are we supposed to find a planet where an intergalactic species like the Skrulls have failed? No, the reaction of Gravik, wanting to wipe out the human race because Fury didn't do something he had no ability to do, just proved that the rest of the universe are right. The Skrulls are evil and need to die.
@@freman007You're forgetting Captain Marvel who can fly through space at the speed of light. But if we bring that up, we got to bring up that she was the one who promised to find them a new home, not Fury.
I think its funny when someone claims that something like this is the worst thing Marvel has done, because theyre totally forgetting about Inhumans. Nothings gonna top that.
One of the unique advantages presented with how and when Captain Marvel introduced us to the Skrulls is that you can have characters who have lived thirty year lives as Skrulls and were never humans that were replaced by Skrulls. Maria Hill could've just always been a Skrull. There never was a human Maria Hill. It's a dimension to her character we never knew before, and we get more into her personal life as a result. It feels like they tried to fit a square peg (sympathetic refugee Skrulls living here for over a quarter century) into a round hole (invasion of the body snatchers), when they could've leaned more into the storytelling potential of the former.
How I feel about Secret Invasion is basically how I felt about most of these D+ shows. I really like the first 3 episodes and then the next three get progressively mid.
@@bennett4789 I actually think they would benefit more from more episodes. The first 3 are usually paced great but then they feel like they are on fast-forward for the rest. Or just not do them at all. 🤷🏾 although I don't personally feel like I wasted my time. So I'll let it be
Imo this Secret Invasion storyline should have been the entirety of Phase 4 culminating in an Avengers: Secret Invasion where the new gen of Avengers fights against body doubles of the old avengers, symbolically passing the torch
It’s honestly disappointing that we got this storyline in a six episode series. I was hoping for it to be drawn out more and hinted that more characters could be Skrulls and be resolved much later. I feel like this didn’t go anywhere, and I was hoping that this series would improve on the source material like how Cap Civil War made that storyline good. Edit: I really hope that Rhodey hasn’t been a Skrull since Civil War. I feel that this story will drag down the Armor Wars film instead of having it be about Rhodey being a badass.
Rhodey was there for Endgame and was taken after. That was just a bad theory that got a lot of attention. Here are reasons why: - Rhody bleeds red in Endgame (Skrulls bleed purple, even disguised as humans) - From Civil War-Endgame Rhodey needs the leg brace Tony made so he can walk - Gravik and a small team collect DNA from the Battle of Earth (planting the seed of the Super Skrull) - Fury goes to S.A.B.E.R, and stays there until Secret Invasion, this causes Gravik to get mad at Fury and forms his plan which involves skrulls taking the identity of key figures - FATWS & Secret Invasion Rhodey is seen without the knee brace and walking normally. In Secret Invasion it's shown that the Rhodey who can walk normally is Rava and the one who needs the knee brace is regular Rhodey - Therefore Rava has been Rhodey from FATWS & Secret Invasion which chronologically is a little over a year apart so Rhodey was held hostage for a long time - What most likely happened is Rhodey went back to the hospital after the Battle of Earth and Tony's funeral to it checked out again and that's where the switch happened
@@Fourmathnot to be negative (nice theory btw 🙂) but I feel Marvel will drag this out as much as possible, so having them use the idea of Rhodey being a Skrull for a long time is something they’d do to make more money and get more attention.
@@frogurtcremebrulee5252it hasn’t been out for two days and people hate the way it was done and under explained. it’s not even shocking or controversial, it’s just bad writing
If your characters beleagure commonsense, and they are supposed to be ruthless spymasters that have their fingers on the pulse of the universe, then youre gonna have a bad time.
3:31 - There's a guy on youtube that said, how much cooler would this fight concept be, if it was someone like Kamala Khan with the powers, since she is a MASSIVE superhero nerd, she'd actually know how all the powers work and what their strengths and weaknesses are, and she could outsmart her opponent through her nerdy fandom knowledge. But instead we got this.
I think it's genuinely insulting how little attention was paid to Talos saving the guy who ended up trying to genocide the skrulls. That's a really interesting idea but that's not even addressed. And what's worse is there are other examples of marvel media doing something similar and using it quite well. Dr Doom's origin in the comic involves watching the roma be discrimianted against for years. Then his dad goes to try to help the baron with something despite Doom thinking it's a terrible idea and Doom was proved right and his dad ended up dying. That's a great part of Doom's origin that explains so much of Doom's flaws especially his ability to hold onto grudges because of course if something like that happens you aren't going to be a forgiving person. And that was like 10 pages of the Books of Doom comic and it did so much more than this show did with basically the same idea. You don't have to do what that comic did but do something with it that's interesting.
That bothered me too! Fury could have said in his phone call with the President at the end “my friend died after saving you” even something as simple as that would have been better
The first episode felt like a secret invasion, but then it turned into skrulls are trying to create a world war with no mystery because no one knows about them except like 3 people. No mystery or paranoia.
It would be cool is their mission was killing the president the entire time like they want the US and fury would try to save him throughout the show but at the end it would be revealed the president is a skrull and he has to kill him
I feel like each episode of Secret Invasion had like one bit that if you took it out of context is actually kind of good and if you just saw those bits you would assume that a show containing all thsoe moments would be really good. Like, the opening of the first episode actually does a pretty decent job of setting up the idea that is a paranoid story where you don't know who's a good guy and a bad guy. (just a shame neither of the characters in that sequence are part of the rest of the series) Episode two has the torturing the Skrull scene which does a good job at setting up a sense that even our apparant heroes, Olivia Colman, are shady people, but she's far too underused in the rest of the series for that scene to carry any weight moving forward Episode three, has everyone is Gravik which as a standalone scene is a really cool way of revealing the extent of the villains power, even if 'Sherlock Holmes Game of Shadows' did it better Episode four, has Fury and his wife's backstory together explored a bit more, the potential here is great, like why isn't Fury's lack of progress in finding the skrulls a new home ever connected to the fact that he's married to one of the skrulls, why are his feelings about the skrulls never connected back to this information in any meaningful way Episode five, has the only moment in the series in which someone mistakenly tells a bad skrull something they shouldn't have not knowing their skrull Episode six, tries to explore Gravik's backstory with Fury but then it isn't actually Fury so none of the potential emotional weight there goes anywhere and almost all of these moment belong really early so that we can spin out from that and explore the ideas they put forward, but this seems to be where marvel are now, its a bunch of good ideas that just don't get any follow through
I find basically all the D+ shows to have this quality, there are tons of bits and pieces that seem to work, but within the context of the series as a whole somethings always ends up being off some how.
"Episode six, tries to explore Gravik's backstory with Fury but then it isn't actually Fury so none of the potential emotional weight there goes anywhere" This felt exactly like the Lois Lane / Martha Kent conversation in ZSJL that turned out to be Martian Manhunter pretending to be Ma Kent. Both scenes completely undercut what the characters discussed.
For something that is the time equivalent of two individual movies, they really nail it with the great moments and bits, but so many of the shows seem to be lacking the strings to pull them together, despite twice the time of a movie. I feel like I remember the memorable bits and pieces of these shows, but because they aren't strung together, I don't remember the plot or the meaning or the weight or any of the feelings behind them. Because they just aren't there.
4:46 i think we should point out that in justice keague unlimited amazo came back so OP that the only way to deal with him was to redirect his focus. Which lex luthor was able to do which was ironically focus him on his own purpose and be in search of that....exploration of purpose
I hope Nando addresses the mess of making DNA give super Skrulls cosmic power. Like how can they use Carol’s binary form? Do they get Quill’s celestial abilities from his DNA? If Jean was here does her DNA give access to the phoenix force? If DNA is going to be used to give powers then it should only give base powers. Side note if you can do the cgi for Captain Marvel then why not have her show up?
What bothered me was how all the DNA gathered from the battle in Endgame was in one vial. I mean, that would mean that all the samples are mixed up, possibly diluted, and certainly unlabeled. It just makes no sense to store multiple DNA samples that way! At first, when Fury took that single vial out of the fake gravestone, I honestly though it might have been a key or something for where the *actual* DNA samples were hidden.
@@crazypeopleonsunday7864molecular biologist here 🙋🏽♀️ it’s actually pretty standard to have multiple DNA samples in a single vial for sequencing purposes. Each sample is linked to a unique sequence of nucleotides which acts as a barcode. You can then map the barcode back to each sample post analysis. Although it definitely is so stupid to store ALL the powerful superhero DNA in ONE vial which could be taken by ANYONE (clearly).
It was kind of insane to me that, once Gi’ah and Gravik got the Harvest powers that… they just knew how to use all of them straight away? Like all of them. No training, no nothing, just two Super Saiyan’s going at it. Idk, maybe the real Secret Invasion was the friends we made along the way. 4/10
I would disagree. While the fight isn’t staged very well, I think that’s the POINT: they have no idea what they’re doing. They don’t IMMEDIATELY take to the air, or even start throwing hard punches. They sorta’ fiddle around a lot, and they’re both trained soldiers, so they know HOW to fight, but not how to fight using SUPERPOWERS. It happened a little TOO fast, but the way the comics depict Super Skrulls is that they can’t access EVERYTHING at once. They have to focus. Again, it could’ve been drawn out longer to better convey that point, but it’s definitely there.
My biggest gripe is that they NEVER TOLD US WHEN THEY STARTED SWITCHING PEOPLE!!! The Prime Minister, the NATO dude, freaking Rohdey! How long has he been switched?! That's the whole point, blow our minds with how long he's been a Skrull. The show gives the impression that a minute before filming everything got started which takes away all the tension.
NANDO! This is your regular reminder to make that “why I don’t do One Small Change videos anymore” video! I’m sure you’ve got a good reason, but man, I miss them. Your Chewbacca interrogation scene was absolutely inspired…
This show ended where it should have started, just like Kenobi. I want a low key show of Obi building a life on Tattoine with Force Ghost Qui-Gon Jinn being sassy as they contemplate morality and philosophy and the galaxy. I want a Secret Invasion that's a spy thriller, where you can't trust any one you see and it doesn't even really matter what the Skrulls want, their methods are so terrifying that we are blinded by fear from trusting them. And it seems like in the only one.
Gravic only used his ability to decieve ONCE when he killed Maria Hill in the fist episode. Every episode since then he may as well just be a superpowered terrorist
Part of me wishes that this series used the What If? approach. In this case, every episode tethered by a core figure (Nick Fury & The Watcher) as a separate perspective explores the central conflict per episode before coming together at the end.
I don’t think it was bad, but I don’t think it was the right time to make it, and it didn’t feel impactful enough to the overall universe. It was still entertaining though, and that’s the most important thing.
The series had a promising start and some good acting, but it really fizzled quickly. Marvel really needs to focus on better storytelling. I'm honestly worried about the Sam Wilson Captain America movie.
Why was it even on Fury to find them a planet? Carol Danvers was the one that promised that and actually had the means to do it. Fury was just a spy guy without powers. He didn’t have a spaceship. Maybe if they did a thing where Carol had *found* a planet or a few and Fury HELD that info because he “needed” the Skrulls to keep working for him would have been an interesting moral grey area twist
Nando was the reviewer who (of the ones I pay attention to) who was skeptical one episode in. I felt he pulled his punches (in hopes it was gonna get better). It feels like something went wrong at a pretty base level. The studio gave too much of a list to the showrunner. The showrunner tied the writers' hands. Something got rushed. This (Secret Invasion) could have been better.
Super Skrulls don’t have all the powers at once. If they don’t have the time to focus a healing power before a killing blow, they are dead. Every time that Gravik healed with extremis, it wasn’t a killing blow and he had ample time to focus the power. So if your fast enough, you can stop them.
Things i expected of this show: - More of Kreega ( mysterious woman that worked next to Gravik and has been seen in a decent amount of shots) What even happened to the skrull that took her identity. - Less of Fury's wife (More of Falsworth, G'iah, Ritson etc.) - More backstory on the skrull who took Rhodey's identity - More dialogue on how and when Rhodey got replaced - More skrulls in their own skin - More Talos and even more Maria HIll 🙃 - Since Rhodey was in this show, maybe his War Machine suit?? - Fury and Gravik actually meeting again instead of G'iah at the end. - a better goodbye with G'iah and her dad - For Gravik to have a longer fight with G'iah with more dialogue - Maybe a scene where Fury tell Ritson that Talos saved him. There where plenty of soldiers on that field that could've seen Talos breaking that window. - They mentioned a cloaking device?? where tf was that.. - Lowkey wished there were two Fury's in this show one being a skrull and all that being revealed at the end. I mean he said: I'm Nick Fury. Even when i'm out, i'm in, so they could've build it of that.. - For Talos and Maria HIll to have a good ending. - They could've revealed Rhodey being a skrull by killing Talos right infront of Fury. Instead of that shower scene. - Asking for a lot here but they've could've shown a younger Gravik collecting all the blood with that team he sent in. - A post creditscene where Gravik heals himself with either his Groot or Extremist powers or any other powers that have the ability to heal from a blast like that. Or a scene where Gravik's body gets picked up by people sent by Thunderbolt Ross or Val. There is probably more..that will come to mind.. but man... those last two episodes really let me down, how invested i was in waiting for these episodes. What a joke.
The Rhodes Skrull thing was I believe due to a bunch of channels and their fans brow beating that to death and they appeased them Now they're mad that he might of been taken during the Civil War They NEVER let things play out , and want their fan fiction as a plot Now they're trying to shoehorn Galactus in this show like wtf? These channels just take a beloved comic character and just push them in plots they don't make any sense in , he's a being that eats planets and has heralds to find them I saw a comment where someone said "I hope all of you are happy now" in response to Rhodes/Reva being Rhodey since the Infinity War movie
@@thepubknight6144Bruh blaming a TH-cam channel on the failures of a DISNEY SHOW Copying a theory because they didn't have ideas is so f dumb, blame Marvel
Invasion of the Body Snatchers from 78 is absolutely one of the greatest Horror movies of all time...problaby only behind The Thing and Evil Dead. Such a classic. Marvel should have taken some inspiration for Secret Invasion.
No. No, sir, the current American president is actually rather dull. I'm still not entirely convinced he has two fully-formed and active brain cells available for simultaneous usage in his day-to-day life. And let's not even get started on the fact that he's absolutely ancient--a prehistoric fossil in a three-piece suit--rotting before our very eyes from behind the Oval Office desk ... But, uh, yeah... Marvel sucks these days. That's going on, too.
This show was the TV equivalent of spending a fortune on the best cut of steak you could find and then cooking it in the microwave.
Reminds me of the Obi-Wan show honestly. A premise like that writes itself, how do you mess it up?
Or getting it well done, then eating it with ketchup
@@TheAwesomeDarkNinjaI disagree, the problem with Obi Wan Kenobi is completely different.
The show was supposed to be a movie, but when Disney decided to invest on streaming, Bob Iger probably forced Lucasfilm to change their plans and turn it into a series. You can feel this is true because the plot feel spread thin between so many episodes and the Rebel stuff feels shoehorned in to make the story longer.
Not even the microwave, they put that steak in the toaster 😭
as the young gen would say, secret invasion did not cook.
Let's be real: 'Secret Invasion' should not be a TV show, it should be an entire phase of movies.
Yeah, that was my concern with this series going into it.
This arc in the comics was HUGE, and it shook up the comics world in some major ways. MCU has always been very cautious about letting events from one movie/show ripple out into other movies. Secret Invasion should have been at least as big as Hydra's takeover in Winter Soldier/Agents of Shield.
Stuff like that is why I'm really worried about Secret Wars delivering anything on the scale of its source material or even Infinity War/Endgame
should have been a phase of movies while not announcing it. the shocking reveal and the constant paranoia are what made secret invasion amazing.
I really wish (in retrospect) that the MCU was just one big TV show. Like a live action Earth's Mightiest Heroes, but more fleshed out
It could have easily been that. They could have easily shown hidden Skrulls to us since Captain Marvel.
This felt forced and sloppy.
I feel the same way. Would have been a great way to start anew after Endgame. Just have every movie have this B plot mystery with skrulls, then end the phase with avengers secret invasion movie.
This show is a perfect example of the importance of writing and how you can't just rely on good actors to save your project. The Secret Invasion cast has some of the best working actors, but without good direction and competent writing, they all come off looking bad.
So actors don't matter.
@@vectoralphaSec no b#^#/ that's a whole new sentence
I agree, the writers seem to think they could just pad out 20 min of laborious setup to get any 2 of them into a room together, then let them shout at each other for 10min and then the last 10 min try to build tension for the next episode, and that is all they needed. I got tired of the 'people hiding and on the run yelling at each other in semi-public and not getting noticed' scenes.
Main problem is with the comics you could switch out a million different characters for the skrull to be or combine as. But a tv show is limited by budget and contracts.
I think the funniest part about this show is that the best case example in the debate over Skrull integration on Earth is never mentioned: New Asgard.
Marvel shows continue to pretend the other projects didn't happen. No one is mentioning a giant alien body after the Eternals, even though it is supposed to be so big you can see it from space. lol
@@SammEater Yeah it's weird that it's just never mentioned in shows at all but at least it's actually going to show up again in The Thunderbolts movie
@@SammEater And just the head of one was a vibrant colony due to how resource rich celestial bodies are. Just the remnants of the resources left were enough to sustain the modern knowhere.
The giant celestial corpse would spark a resource war bigger than all previous wars on earth combined.
I think they’ve always tried to characterize Nick Fury as a badass, intelligent, and then somehow constantly showing he’s not really a badass and not really all that smart, he’s mostly just there being the decider thinking his deciding is the best deciding however inconsistent it is
@zyxyx6754 tbf it's not really made of Celestial bits anymore
Peacemaker had a better secret invasion story than secret invasion
Holy shit. You are totally spot on here.
Dude, Disney firing James Gunn keeps on looking more and more like a fatal mistake.
True so true
@@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdomI doubt he would have stayed with Marvel even if he was never fired. It was pretty clear he was only on board for Guardians.
I’ll go as far and say Peacemaker is better than every MCU show release on Disney Plus
The fact that Talos risked his life to save the President and then the president vows to kill all his people. He really got screwed
I dont understand why they didnt even try to have a scene where Fury explains to him that his life was saved by a skrull. Guess thats not important info
so much wasted potential. the show should’ve started at episode 3 or 4 and then went on from there
@@prolastmedia6171 Wouldn't change anything. He's a president, all presidents are bastards really. Thinking that one good individual could change policy is naive.
The good immigrant never ended racism, or racist policies.
Add to that Maria Hill, who gets killed so *checks notes* the Skrulls can have political leverage over him? He totally ghosts on her mother who demanded that he make sure she died for a reason. "Lol nope."
Honestly I feel like the fact that the president's life is saved by an alien and then he goes and publicly condemns them feels pretty realistic.
I feel like it could have worked better if we had seen Fury trying to explain that the skrulls that almost caused a global conflict were a splinter group, and THEN the president is like "I don't care, aliens are bad and evil" would be better. Because as it happens in the show, it just makes it seem like Fury never bothered to talk to the guy.
"The Skrull part didn't matter."
The entire problem with the show summed up perfectly.
The montage at the end of the series showing people freaking out and hunting down Skrulls (and suspected Skrulls) was what I was expecting the majority of the show to be like. Instead, it's just shoved into a montage in the final episode. That moment when some shot a woman that they thought was a Skull was the most emotion I felt the entire series.
YES! When I was watching that scene, my first thought was "Why wasn't this the whole show!???" We, as the audience, should of been questioning a few characters throughout the entire show. But more importantly, the characters within the show should also be suspecting other characters. They could of done a whole "Red Scare" plotline, and could serve as a social commentary on today's Conspiracy Theorist. So much wasted potential :/
The witch hunt 💀👍
I saw clips of that montage on twitter, and I thought that was HALFWAY through the series, or the beginning of the third act at the latest. A big twist and showing how dangerous this all is and how important it is for the main characters to fix things, and then I find out THAT'S THE ENDING? THAT'S SO DUMB
Why does no one see how stupid of a ending this is?! The PRESIDENT told people to kill Skrulls, and they can be ANYBODY (He has a way to find them... somehow...), and it shows people randomly killing other people, and 1 of them wasn't a Skrull out of 4 PEOPLE! HOW DOES ANYONE WORK WITH THAT?! HOW DID THE PRESIDENT GET THIS WORD OUT WITH NO CONSEQUENCES!?
Nick Fury is a Super Spy. The premise of Secret Invasion calls together McCarthy Era Red Scare shit. This premise had so much potential for political intrigue. No hate, just, like, missed opportunities man.
Having the whole super skrull thing in a show where there are no actual superheroes is a big miss imo
I agree I think they should have not had super skrulls here at all. Imo they shouldve had Gravik survive this show and come back as the villain in the fantastic four or something, he couldve become the Super Skrull in that movie
Which is exactly why this should’ve been an Avengers film that capped off Phase Four.
I completely agree. How can you do Super Skrulls without superheroes?
Especially with no Fantastic Four.
@@GabesEdtizagreed. That would have been cool!
Captain America: The Winter Soldier is a better Secret Invasion project than Secret Invasion.
Agent of shield and winter soldier had the hydra card to play.
Secret invasion had no new cards. We knew all the elements at play before the show started.
@@TheTurbanator123 Skrulls were established before the show.
@@TheTurbanator123season 4 had the LMD stuff it was epic
It's crazy how Spiderman: Far From Home did the "trust no one" thing better than secret invasion with the whole illusion thing even though that movie had NOTHING TO DO WITH SKRULLS
The Fury and Maria that set up all of Far From Home were Skrulls..Peter was literally being bossed around by Skrulls.
Eh mysterio is a very different type of thing than skrulls
That's because it's Mysterio. That's his entire deal, and he debuted in the comics only 2 years after the scrolls.
Yet Far From Home was the most flawed movie compare to homecoming and NWH but it still play the "trust no one" better than the MCu's skrullmongus
Also Captain America: The Winter Soldier also did it better.
It feels like AI is already writing these shows and they just haven't told us yet 😂
🤣🤣🤣
No, AI would do a better job.
YES. It's just SO bad that it's either intentional either it's AI script that was took as it is. Cause I can't believe that human being with any experience in stories and drama could produce it. It's impossible.
You know what, that would explain the weird DNA stuff. An AI wouldn't realize that tattoos and rings aren't a part of DNA, or that magic is supposed to be something you learn
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Secret Invasion could've been phase 4. All of the skrulls take advantage of the blip and insert themselves into positions of power. Then it's up to a combination of the new characters they introduce and some of the old characters to save the day. Instead we got a phase 4 which was basically about nothing and it kinda felt like a waste of time.
It feels like they're just treading water till x men and honestly I am kinda done after gotg3
Yeah this was such an obvious decision, Phase 4 couldve ended with Avengers: Secret Invasion and had the new cast of avengers fight against body doubles of the old cast as a symbolic passing of the torch. Marvel execs are brain dead for tanking what was the most popular franchise in the world lmao
The problem being that that would have required guts and risk, something to which Marvel has become allergic.
Green goblins taking over the government for an entire phase would of not been interesting like it wasn’t here. Let’s face it, Secret Invasion the comic wasn’t all that interesting either.
And I think Kang is a bit of a dud too, that's even before potential legal issues for Majors. I'd be curious if the Marvels drops some Galactus hints to try and pivot to that for the rest of Phase 5
This series should’ve been the follow-up to the Infinity Saga. I think a more personal and mysterious route would’ve made sense, since it’s hard to follow up Thanos with a bigger threat. Instead of having a bigger threat, it would’ve been more interesting to not know who *is* the threat.
He's cooking your honor
Thank you, I was thinking the same thing.
Agreed. Having this conspiracy/mystery be lurking in the background of other plots in movies woulda been awesome.
Imagine the idea of this being a "during the 5 years" story
meaning some skrulls could be hiding as dusted people, dusted avengers, and such, it would be so cool
Idk I like the idea of different teams being the focus of different sagas.
Instead of the focus on the avengers it focuses on Fantastic 4 and then after their saga we go to the X-men then the Inhumans then to uh... Well at that point it will be like 2050. Gives it a core to focus around while introducing these new characters as old ones get cycled out. Marvel has a lot of super teams and super societies that exist simultaneously.
That first scene, with the Everett Ross reveal, set up exactly the type of ambiguous and tense feeling that the whole show should have had. And then every single scene after this felt lazier and lazier and blander and blander. It very well may be the most careless show they've ever done
The first ep was really good I thought! At least the first half.
@@Dilmahkanafirst episode was interesting…. But it was all downhill from there.
My biggest gripe was that the "evil" skrulls were plot devices. When the group of skrulls turned on gravik, there was hope for a morally ambiguous stance for the skulls. But then he just... kills all of them? Rhodey was just pure evil, blindly following gravik and following his vision. They showed nothing on the skrull that was Rhodey if they had their own agenda. It was so weak
Not blindly, he actually turned on him until further reasoning.
Not blindly, he actually turned on him until further reasoning
It’s embarrassing how this all turned out. Guardians Vol 3 was really the only thing that stopped the MCU from releasing its two worst projects back to back.
Guardians vol 3 is the best mcu movie to date
do we count across the spiderverse?
@@FightFantasyI don’t, personally
@@Shell-iq6cx but andrew garfield is in it
@@FightFantasy so? Andrew Garfield is also in the Andrew Garfield movies, and those aren’t really MCU either.
Kingsley-Ken in the background is really adding a lot to this video I must say.
I agree basically Nando is saying Gravik was the best part of the show and I agree
Lol Now he's Bob Marley 🐦🐦🐦
"None of the Skrull stuff mattered." This is the heart of it.
Man, Talos really got screwed from every direction.
He went to bat for a guy that disappointed him for 30 years, his wife dies, his people mutiny and appoint a genocidal child as leader, the last time he sees his daughter she calls him a disappointment, and the person he gave his life to protect goes on national TV and vows to eradicate his people.
Damn. That sucks. This sucks.
I finally just watched Peacemaker. And it's bizarre how similar its plot was to this, and yet they handled the body snatcher thing infinitely better
They should have done the following:
- more paranoia, obviously.
- secret warriors: characters like Ghost and winter soldier cannot be replicated because their powers aren't fully biological (or apparently ghost's are, which is very strange). This was the perfect time for them to be involved so that there's some resemblance to the comics.
- have skrull Rhodes wear the suit. It's a superpower sitting right there that they can access at any time and they don't bother despite military tech being perfect for a spy thriller.
- a friend of mine suggested Giah should be Abigail Brand, who a comics character who's half alien and has green fire powers.
@@azaanimations319ghost not groot
@@nicerock5506 I think they edited the comment. It said Groot when I read it, I swear.
Winter Soldier was on the list of The Harvest. I was fully waiting for his arm to show up during the fight.
@@Taurusus how can DNA give you a metal arm?
@@kieran10202 precisely.
I find it hilarious in hindsight that I started watching this series with my mom (she seems to like some of the stuff okay) but after like two episodes of this she asked if I could just watch it on my own. She knew.
The multiverse saga honestly should’ve been saved for the third big saga, doing secret wars in the second saga doesn’t feel right because secret wars is pretty much as big as you can get and it feels like that would be a great way to complete a trilogy of sagas instead of having it be the conclusion of the second. This saga should’ve been all about the invasion with the hints and interconnections between films and shows involving a possible skrull invasion like how they included and dropped hints at the infinity stones and thanos eventually coming. It would’ve been really interesting because it would not only be awesome to watch all the characters in constant paranoia or suspicion of something bigger going on but it would also be great as a audience member because we could speculate and theorise along with them for a whole saga up until the conclusion when the invasion comes into full effect.
Yeah, but that takes effort.
@@luhedi6303Plus people don't really care. Just give them a few cameos and most of them are happy and they're still making a lot of money.
I was taken out of the plot further (than what you noted) with procedural elements that didn't fit within the plot - like the president having basically just a single advisor, and that was Rhodey. Besides having him talk down to an Admiral (a higher rank), the fact that there's basically no other administration members or staff beyond secret service people. The president living in a bubble where only Rhodes interacts with him about policies and actions was so unrealistic that it was distracting.
THIS!!! It was so weird
Yup. The president should have a cabinet and vice president to consult with.
Yup! Serious lack of verisimilitude in this show💯
Forreal he was like the cool dad when he found out Rhodey was drunk over stepping telling the President how to do his job
and how the hell does not a single person bother to question why War Machine just sat in a car while the president was being shot at? nope, we just carry on with him being this unrealistically trusted singular advisor without a hiccup.
Nando completely nailed it. The shows biggest misfire was it failed to fulfill the promise of its premise.
The whole who do you trust thing from the comic just didn't apple here at all.
I mean to be fair the comics also had this same problem, kinda failing at the whole premise. we look back on them fondly for a strong premise but the actual event wasn't really that strong, kinda failing to deliver on the awesome setup. I mean there was really only two reveals of skrulls that weren't "5 minutes before this scene he was replaced and now 5 minutes later we discover that", and they were both at the very beginning of the event. this one had that moment with Ross, then it had Rhodey, and then it had the reverse twist with fury at the end, at least giving one more good reveal than the comics
@@apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868 my problem with the fury reveal at the end is it harkens back to the central problem that fury doesn’t really grow or do anything exceptional as the protagonist of the show. like nando said, that was his chance to level with gravik but instead he just sends super skrull to super fight him. none of it really grabbed me and i thought the majority of it was a stumble
That's pretty much all these disney Plus shows 😂
I love how Ebony Maw’s jewelry and Drax’s tattoos are genetic.
Hahahah yeah
They did the rings though to know it was ebony may but I do agree it was dumb
if New Skrullos was radioactive, the Skrulls that were there would have been trackable by the radiation they were kicking off. But that would require acknowledging that storing humans there for more than a few hours would have been a terrible idea. So I think we can assume it wasn't radioactive OR the people who wrote this episode were just pulling things out of their behinds.
No you literally just told everyone how the president is able to figure out who is and isn't a skrull :/
No you literally just told everyone how the president figured out who is and isn't a skrull :/
Wdym storing humans was a terrible idea? Whos terrible idea? In fact, if they stored the humans there, and they ended up dying to the radiation they forgot about, then the Skrulls would be better because they swapped bodies, so they can fully take their on their lives, and the Skrulls would have to roll with that because it was an accident, but also made their goals easier to reach, so again, whos terrible idea was it?
I just find it crazy people were saying they thought this was as good as Andor at the start. Andor was fantastic and possibly the best Star Wars show ever made. This started just OK, then took an absolute nosedive.
Yes it should have been like Andor, which felt grown up and gritty. Secret Invasion was laughable by comparison.
To be fair, Andor also started with its weakest episodes. At first, Andor wasn't great at establishing personal stakes, and it wasn't until he initially left Ferrix that the show gained a following.
To be fair the 1st episode seemed like it wasn't holding back when the rest of it felt like it did.
Andor took risks and established stakes. And was uncompromisingly mature. Secret Invasion was a poorly written joke.
The moment the episode ended I thought to myself "Can't wait to hear what Nando has gotta say about this".
Same!
I went to watch the finale just so I could watch this video after.
Not only did Fury never have to answer for the lack of a new Skrull home world, Carol Danvers is similarly let off the hook. It is clearly stated that BOTH of them are working on finding them a new planet, and then... nothing. Fury's role in helping the Skrulls is ignored, but Carol's is outright forgotten.
My main issue with Secret Invasion boils down to the fact that everything important is told to us, nothing is shown.
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It kind of sucks how quickly it fell apart because after episode 1 I was actually intrigued by a show about a washed up Fury who is going to have to confront his biggest failures and whose instincts are so far gone that he just killed Maria Hill because his gut told him she was a Skrull in that moment, and he clearly can’t trust his intuition anymore.
And not only did we not get that, they go on to say that no, Gravik shot Hill and that is far less interesting and nuanced.
They were so afraid to do anything or approach any character
hold on what? I agree with parts of this but the idea that it would've been better if fury shot her is insane. like he would definitely not do that, and it was very obviously gravik the whole time, if you seriously thought for a second that was fury that's not the shows problem
The pitch for Secret Invasion went like this, "let's have a giant CGI battle between two people with all the powers" the entire show was to set up that fight no matter how little it made sense
It's crazy just how perfect of an opening act they wrote for Secret Invasion.
Crazy because, ya know, they didn't put it at the opening of the show. They had it serve as the epilogue.
Reminder that Animorphs, a "children's" book from the 90s did a secret alien invasion where you could trust no-one better than Secret Invasion did. Read Animorphs, that shit was a lot more mature and dark than people give it credit for. Especially if you're a fan of body horror, that might've been the first time I actually got hooked on that sort of thing
I used to be ADDICTED to Animorphs. I didn’t realize until I was an adult how dark that series was for kids books
the way the show started off promising and gradually deteriorated is a perfect metaphor for what fury did to the skrulls
I think it's more like the MCU overall...
Hot take. Secret Invasion as a story was PERFECT for Disney+!!! But they blew it.
Picture this. A show with 3 seasons running for 3 to 4 years. Parallel with the movies. In the shadows... an ACTUAL secret from movie audiences!
Make small cameos that work in the context of the specific movie, but people who watch the show know it's a Skrull.
Take the "Agents of Shield angle" and show the aftermatch of movies, revealing something there to be Skrull related.
Build Giah up as the Skrull Queen and eventually make her the Super Skrull.
Take the Skrull from a small group of rebels in the pilot all the way to controlling major global governments. Let us see they rise!!
And than you end everything in a movie! A pseudo-avengers movie (just like Civil War) with whatever main character you want, and as that character has no idea what is going on, you have the perfect excuse to catch-up movie audiences as well.
Than if the movie turn out to be well recieved, suddenly you have a influx of people wanting to see the prequel right there in your streaming service.
you’re so right! this would’ve been so great
Dear god this sounds so good-
Seems like execs really love 6 episodes for the sake of cutting cost
@@Anverse-14 what cost cutting tho, the series still cost over 200 million. Do they need a billion to make a good 6 episode show?
This thing cost all together over 200 Million. Yes that's enough for at least 2 seasons of tight episodes.
This was Chapek plan of hiding money and cooking the books... until he was caught.
I said years ago when Secret Invasion was announced, that the interesting thing about this show would be that in addition to the usual "who's a Skrull, who isn't?" we would have Skrull factions, so even if you know someone is a Skrull you still don't know which side they are; and what you said before, if you look away of a human for just one moment you no longer know if they're themselves or a Skrull; and well, what did we actually have. If I'd been in charge, at some point someone would've been revealed as a secret Skrull, but plot twist they're a good guy! (and possibly go beyond and have a Skrull be a double or triple agent, get complicated because you *can* , you have shapeshifters)
I think the montage at the end could have worked if the President didn't go 'all aliens are bad' and just told the truth about how a Skrull saved his life from another Skrull. Once the body snatcher idea is out there, even though there are good Skrull, people would be paranoid. Mix into the montage clips of some Skrull ask for asylum in New Asgard to live in their own skin, radiation clean up crew coming out as being Skrull all along, and some random grandma being interviewed saying she knew her grandson didn't survive cancer and is a Skrull along, but she is just so happy he is continuing her grandson life work or something like that.
Asked a lot of really interesting questions, then rode off into the sunset without answering basically any of them... wild...
Yeah what a waste of 4-5 hours of my life
The lack of Monica is baffling borderline frustrating. I’m surprised that she and Gaia or Gravik had no relationship. Come to think of it, Monica and Gravik would’ve made a good couple. Potentially having her fight him with Carols powers would’ve been cool.
I never thought of that she could be the superpower person who could be like hey I can use my power so you can see I’m not a skrull
My biggest issue with the current phase is nothing feels consequential to the universe or nothing big that happens is mentioned in other movies so it feels oddly disconnected. No one brings up the fact the sky became night one time (moonknight) or the giant thing on eternal. Like maybe there's explainations why no one seems to care about the crazy stuff going on but marvel never gives explanations.
Michael Bays Transformers much as those movies were bad in ways, at least everything big that happened had lasting consequences for example, the big traumatic invasion of chicago in the third movie, despite the autobots winning that battle and saving humanity, so many people died from that, the 4th movie showed how humans fell out of trust of having cybertronians in general good or bad on earth. Like you'd see posters of primes face saying "enemy" or people making money from dead robots from the battle. Again those movies were bad but they somehow had more connectivity than current marvel. You'd think the fact random civilizations and heroes start appearing like the water people from black panther 2, the new iron person, the moonknight, all these things don't take place in isolated areas, like you'd think people would be seeing these things and saying something especially with the internet existing. But no nothing. If i was in that universe, I'd kind of be terrified to go outside.
Disappointment doesn't begin to describe what Secret Invasion is.
i imagine a really good version of this show exists in another universe and its so infuriating that i do not live in that universe
Even taking into account multiverse theory, that feels like a really tall ask.
Secret Invasion is such a massive storyline that the only way to do it right as a tv series is if the entire overarching franchise is in tv format. With a franchise like the MCU where a significant portion of the projects are movies?
It was never going to work as a tv show. It should've been, at the very least, a dual Avengers film like Infinity War and Endgame; if not the focus of an entire multiple phase long Saga. I think having the first 3 phases of the MCU being the Secret Invasion Saga probably would've been better for the long term lifespan of the MCU instead of the Infinity Saga, actually.
The president's war on skrulls speech and the montage of ensuing violence should have been the first scene of the show...and the rest of the show should have been about how the characters navigate the new status quo and try to broker a peace....or a series of flashbacks that lead up to that scene to reveal the pres was a skrull the whole time.
Agreed! Have the Ross or Rhodes reveal right at the start, the President is then so scared they start a war on the Skrulls. That is your inciting incident and sets up the premise of the show with the interesting question, who does Fury choose to protect, Earth or the Skrulls, and who can he trust? In a show like this characters can’t trust each other, that’s what creates the drama, reveals, betrayals and traps should have been the foundation in the writing. For example characters having a secret phrase/code even something as simple as that would be better to establish the Cold War espionage setting they were going for
I took the fact that Rhodey was wearing a hospital gown and that his leg injury was emphasised right after Ross asked how long he’d been imprisoned to mean he was switched between the body and epilogue of civil war when he was recovering in hospital, but I suppose you’re right that they’d have wiggle room to say basically anything if they wanted to later
To be fair in the comics the Skrulls were THAT GOOD at disguising themselves. It wasn't until the end of the arc they were able to detect who is a Skrull thanks to Reed Richards. I don't have a huge issue with the series not coming up with a way to detect Skrulls minus seriously wounding them. Also Talos did indicate that the Skrulls that weren't with the emperor are on Earth so its conceivable that the Kree / Skrull was was continuing in the background. The peace talks would make sense and even more sense is Cap Marvel was involved.
My issue with the episode are that the decision made were just...wha?? Not to mention the prcoedural inconsistencies another poster pointed out. I was into the show until the finale. I literally screamed no no no no! when G'iah and Gravik gained the powers of some of the Avengers. Im sorry that was just....duuuuumb. After that great performance between Jackson and Adir they total botched it with that move. U actually gave G'iah the real Harvest which btw when the hell did they create a vial that housed multiple dna samples and they weren't contaminated? I'm not a geneticist but pretty even in Marvel comics u don't do that until u want the samples to go bad. can contain multiple dna samples without the samples being contaminated. And no mention of maybe the samples mixing wouldn't result in something u really dont want to happen. Ok so past that...the plan was for G'iah and Gravik to get the powers and duke it out? Besides the fact you pretty much made them gods...what if G'iah lost? what then? annnd ok she wins. she is just walking around with all those powers? huh? Then Sonya scoops her up and offers her a deal...obviously a reference to M1-13 but this is how u choose to debut it? again wha?? Then u have the fact that the human hostages being held in the skrull camp just go outside and not one of them we see falls victim to radiation poisoning? Where were the rescue team with HASMAT suits?
I have been a supporter of MCU for a while but this ep....I can't defend it. Just...dumb.
I had all of these same concerns. Jus bad writing man, like they didn't even think about what they were writing. No logic at all!!!
Agree 100%.
Why am I constantly seeing those comments about the DNA? How exactly do you imagine DNA to think it will merge into something new when a few samples are put together? DNA is a thread with coded genetic information. Imagine a normal thread, for sewing. Imagine putting a few of those into one vial. Would they create a new different thread by themselves? Of course not. They will remain the same threads. It might be difficult to separate them, and it would be far more difficult to separate different samples of DNA, but the single DNA threads wouldn't change. The liquid in the vial isn't actually DNA, it's just there to prevent damage to the DNA molecules.
As for contamination, sorry, what? DNA samples can be contaminated, sure, but... I really don't understand what you can possibly mean by that. Contamination occurs when we've got a sample of DNA we want to analyze and some other DNA, a scientist's skin cells for example, gets into our sample. But it doesn't mean that the DNA is damaged. It just means that analyzing such a mixture of DNA, without separating it, can give unreliable results. If the goal isn't identifying who the DNA belongs to, but instead, the goal is to just take all the DNA into your body, then contamination doesn't matter, because even contaminated DNA is fine, it just can't be used to identify its "owner".
What is stupid, on the other hand, is that the Gravik's machine seems to have separated the mixture of DNA and identify to whom which sample belonged. While I can believe the super advanced machine can perfectly separate a mixture containing tens of DNA samples, it's just impossible to identify which hero each sample belongs to; no matter the technological advancement. And that's because the mere genetic information obtained from the DNA tells you nothing. You need a sample from a known source for comparison. And if they had such samples from the heroes, they wouldn't need to gather DNA from the battlefield.
If Giah is ever mentioned again I will eat all my hats. And all of your hats. I'll eat every hat.
What a waste of Emilia Clarke's talent.
@@dwdillydally it's baffling
@@dwdillydally I love her, but she's getting shitty roles one after the other and her acting felt lazy and emotionless, like she didn't even wanted to be there.
Are you sure you can eat all of Kevin Feige's hats? I mean that's a LOT of hats.
For another (better) Bodysnatchers/Secret Invasion-style thing, I would also recommend the Doctor Who two-parter Zygon Invasion/Zygon Inversion. It starts off with pretty much the exact same premise as SI, but manages to pull off a much better story in a much shorter span of time, with plenty of moments like you suggested here where characters have no idea who around them is real or not, and actually uses that concept in some interesting ways
Glad someone brought that up. Same type of story done extremely well in only two episodes. And bonny the zygon is a better fleshed out antagonist than Gravik ever was. And the conclusion of that story is what secret invasion needed. We didn’t need a big crazy fight with aliens, they just needed to as the doctor proclaimed “just sit and talk!”
personally I didn't love that episode but I did really like them in the Day of the Doctor, and of course their debut appearance in the classic series is just an iconic serial
Mostly Nitpicking and The Nando Cut being my two favourite safespaces of the day. Thank you for all the content you put out, man!
I watched the first episode, thought it might've been written by AI because it felt like the most stereotypical and formulaic spy story possible, to a comical extent. So, I never watched episode 2. What a good decision, it seems.
I think the smartest thing to do with Gaia is just show that the powers aren't permanent. We don't know much for sure about the Super Skrull machine or how it works long-term. Maybe the powers wear off.
If she has to come back in something, make her arc that she's gotten used to the powers, but they're slipping away now or something? Or just have her fly away to do what Carol failed to, and find them a world someplace.
I came here to say this. Hopefully she loses them or most of them and has a weaker version of the ones she keeps
Yeah, they need to nerf her somehow. Maybe using them is slowly killing her or something.
You have some great ideas
Super Skrull powers are weaker than the real power and the more powers they use the weaker they get. In the comics they can use a max of 4 powers at once before they become useless. Captain Marvel or Hulk could still 1v1 G'iah.
Only thing that makes sense to me is to embrace how confident she should be going into fights since she’s without question the strongest character in the verse and have a villain build a gun that stops her ability to change her DNA and then kill her
I hate to say it but I think this might be one of Marvel’s worst. I feel like it completely fails it’s premise of a paranoia thriller ‘who can you trust’. Even other bad MCU projects do a good enough job of meeting the premise. And also character arcs…Remember those?!
Marvel could still potentially turn this around with the leftover Skrulls actually DOING something later on down the line.
@@ccelite3782 At this point just ignoring everything in Secret Invasion would work better.
Why is it everytime marvel release something it the new worst one the only thing I agreed with is people want marvel to fail and that only cos owned by Disney
@@markling5058 I dont think anyone said that Gaurdians, Spiderman, Ms Marvel, etc were the worst MCU things , so your narrative doesnt really fit. But a lot of the recent stuff like this show, Quantamania, She Hulk, Thor Love and Thunder, etc are just not good. Very bad.
@@markling5058 I do not want Marvel to fail, I love Marvel and have a channel mostly about Marvel. I find it frustrating when they make mistakes because I like it so much, but this is the one I really did not like
Best weakness for G'iah is all of her powers are not as powerful as their original users. Like maybe 1/4 of their power. Make her as the most versatile character of the MCU instead
If Rhodey had been swapped out before Infinity War or in the 5 years before Endgame, that would've meant he never got to say goodbye to Tony. That's at least somewhat interesting for the character.
All I want from this show is more Olivia Colman in the MCU and also in everything
Absolutely. She was far and away the best thing about this series.
Why does everyone love this actress. I found her presence so jarring
No she was completely miscast in the role.
That’s because they basically gave Nick Fury’s old personality to her.
@@dgm66 say it louder
They needed to show Gravik kill the man whose shape he took and the realization that he had about what Fury asked him to do. Maybe taking the shape and visiting his wife and child to parallel what Fury’s wife Vaara promised Priscilla.
This either needed to be a 2 hour movie or 12 episode series.
yes
That could have been such an excellent opening! We have no context for it at the start but when it’s revealed that would be such an emotional moment, and Gravik needed to have a confrontation with Fury so much sooner than the final episode
@@jessicastrike5640 Such a shame that confrontation never happened because it was G'iah 😒
They should have had Fury and Gravik have an emotional moment after he kills his first man during one of the flashbacks, then when Giah in disguise doesn't recognise him he attacks her knowing it's not really Fury -- of course she prevails and gets her revenge.
It's odd that Fury gave her the Harvest (why the hell take that risk?) when they both had the same powers already. He should've destroyed it and said "This was a mistake" -- doing so would've fit much better with the theme of not needing metahumans to bail him out.
It feels like it was written by ChatGPT with the prompt “marvel” “Nick fury” “Skrulls” “spy” “emotional speeches”
IMO Rhody got taken during civil war while he's in the hospital after he gets shot down. That's why he's the only one in a hospital gown.
To your point on why Fury just never found the Skrulls a home, I think an interesting thing they could have done with that is have it be on purpose. Talos says it himself that the work the Skrulls did for Fury is basically what made him so successful. If it had been that Fury wasn't so keen on getting rid of one of his most valuable assets, it could have added another dimension to the character dynamics and also paint Fury in a different light
They tried bringing immigration theme to it and failed, ww know there are numerous habitable planet heck cap marvel and rhodey(skrull or real) have be there, so skrhodey could have told his people
What was the human race supposed to do?
With the rare exception (Tony Stark) we're a planet locked species. How the heck are we supposed to find a planet where an intergalactic species like the Skrulls have failed?
No, the reaction of Gravik, wanting to wipe out the human race because Fury didn't do something he had no ability to do, just proved that the rest of the universe are right. The Skrulls are evil and need to die.
@@freman007 wasn't there a planet similar to ours you know
@@freman007You're forgetting Captain Marvel who can fly through space at the speed of light.
But if we bring that up, we got to bring up that she was the one who promised to find them a new home, not Fury.
This whole show felt like a post credits scene.
I think its funny when someone claims that something like this is the worst thing Marvel has done, because theyre totally forgetting about Inhumans. Nothings gonna top that.
Not even she hulk
One of the unique advantages presented with how and when Captain Marvel introduced us to the Skrulls is that you can have characters who have lived thirty year lives as Skrulls and were never humans that were replaced by Skrulls. Maria Hill could've just always been a Skrull. There never was a human Maria Hill. It's a dimension to her character we never knew before, and we get more into her personal life as a result. It feels like they tried to fit a square peg (sympathetic refugee Skrulls living here for over a quarter century) into a round hole (invasion of the body snatchers), when they could've leaned more into the storytelling potential of the former.
How I feel about Secret Invasion is basically how I felt about most of these D+ shows. I really like the first 3 episodes and then the next three get progressively mid.
funny because 3 episodes is about the length of a movie which is what ALL THESE STUPID SHOWS SHOULD HAVE BEEN
@@bennett4789 I actually think they would benefit more from more episodes. The first 3 are usually paced great but then they feel like they are on fast-forward for the rest. Or just not do them at all. 🤷🏾 although I don't personally feel like I wasted my time. So I'll let it be
Imo this Secret Invasion storyline should have been the entirety of Phase 4 culminating in an Avengers: Secret Invasion where the new gen of Avengers fights against body doubles of the old avengers, symbolically passing the torch
@@prolastmedia6171 That would be dope. But that would've ruined endgame.
It’s honestly disappointing that we got this storyline in a six episode series. I was hoping for it to be drawn out more and hinted that more characters could be Skrulls and be resolved much later. I feel like this didn’t go anywhere, and I was hoping that this series would improve on the source material like how Cap Civil War made that storyline good.
Edit: I really hope that Rhodey hasn’t been a Skrull since Civil War. I feel that this story will drag down the Armor Wars film instead of having it be about Rhodey being a badass.
Rhodey was there for Endgame and was taken after. That was just a bad theory that got a lot of attention. Here are reasons why:
- Rhody bleeds red in Endgame (Skrulls bleed purple, even disguised as humans)
- From Civil War-Endgame Rhodey needs the leg brace Tony made so he can walk
- Gravik and a small team collect DNA from the Battle of Earth (planting the seed of the Super Skrull)
- Fury goes to S.A.B.E.R, and stays there until Secret Invasion, this causes Gravik to get mad at Fury and forms his plan which involves skrulls taking the identity of key figures
- FATWS & Secret Invasion Rhodey is seen without the knee brace and walking normally. In Secret Invasion it's shown that the Rhodey who can walk normally is Rava and the one who needs the knee brace is regular Rhodey
- Therefore Rava has been Rhodey from FATWS & Secret Invasion which chronologically is a little over a year apart so Rhodey was held hostage for a long time
- What most likely happened is Rhodey went back to the hospital after the Battle of Earth and Tony's funeral to it checked out again and that's where the switch happened
Plot twist: Rhodey’s been a Skrull since Iron Man 2. That explains why he looks different.
@@Fourmathnot to be negative (nice theory btw 🙂) but I feel Marvel will drag this out as much as possible, so having them use the idea of Rhodey being a Skrull for a long time is something they’d do to make more money and get more attention.
@@frogurtcremebrulee5252it hasn’t been out for two days and people hate the way it was done and under explained. it’s not even shocking or controversial, it’s just bad writing
This show should’ve been an Avengers movie.
If your characters beleagure commonsense, and they are supposed to be ruthless spymasters that have their fingers on the pulse of the universe, then youre gonna have a bad time.
3:31 - There's a guy on youtube that said, how much cooler would this fight concept be, if it was someone like Kamala Khan with the powers, since she is a MASSIVE superhero nerd, she'd actually know how all the powers work and what their strengths and weaknesses are, and she could outsmart her opponent through her nerdy fandom knowledge.
But instead we got this.
I think it's genuinely insulting how little attention was paid to Talos saving the guy who ended up trying to genocide the skrulls. That's a really interesting idea but that's not even addressed.
And what's worse is there are other examples of marvel media doing something similar and using it quite well. Dr Doom's origin in the comic involves watching the roma be discrimianted against for years. Then his dad goes to try to help the baron with something despite Doom thinking it's a terrible idea and Doom was proved right and his dad ended up dying. That's a great part of Doom's origin that explains so much of Doom's flaws especially his ability to hold onto grudges because of course if something like that happens you aren't going to be a forgiving person. And that was like 10 pages of the Books of Doom comic and it did so much more than this show did with basically the same idea. You don't have to do what that comic did but do something with it that's interesting.
They didn't acknowledge Maria Hill's death enough for me. Fury barely seemed to have an emotion about it.
That bothered me too! Fury could have said in his phone call with the President at the end “my friend died after saving you” even something as simple as that would have been better
@@samanthanorton4538Yeah but Rhodes made sure to blackmail Fury with it as the only mention
Also, if all “off world born” are now considered hostile, what’s going on in New Asgard? That place was basically Disneyland in Thor L&T.
The first episode felt like a secret invasion, but then it turned into skrulls are trying to create a world war with no mystery because no one knows about them except like 3 people. No mystery or paranoia.
It would be cool is their mission was killing the president the entire time like they want the US and fury would try to save him throughout the show but at the end it would be revealed the president is a skrull and he has to kill him
Secret invasion tried to solve the Skrulls problem the same way Doctor Who solved the Silence problem.
Easy fix is that to keep Carol Danvers in the MCU they use Gai'a to give Rogue her powers
I feel like each episode of Secret Invasion had like one bit that if you took it out of context is actually kind of good and if you just saw those bits you would assume that a show containing all thsoe moments would be really good.
Like, the opening of the first episode actually does a pretty decent job of setting up the idea that is a paranoid story where you don't know who's a good guy and a bad guy. (just a shame neither of the characters in that sequence are part of the rest of the series)
Episode two has the torturing the Skrull scene which does a good job at setting up a sense that even our apparant heroes, Olivia Colman, are shady people, but she's far too underused in the rest of the series for that scene to carry any weight moving forward
Episode three, has everyone is Gravik which as a standalone scene is a really cool way of revealing the extent of the villains power, even if 'Sherlock Holmes Game of Shadows' did it better
Episode four, has Fury and his wife's backstory together explored a bit more, the potential here is great, like why isn't Fury's lack of progress in finding the skrulls a new home ever connected to the fact that he's married to one of the skrulls, why are his feelings about the skrulls never connected back to this information in any meaningful way
Episode five, has the only moment in the series in which someone mistakenly tells a bad skrull something they shouldn't have not knowing their skrull
Episode six, tries to explore Gravik's backstory with Fury but then it isn't actually Fury so none of the potential emotional weight there goes anywhere
and almost all of these moment belong really early so that we can spin out from that and explore the ideas they put forward, but this seems to be where marvel are now, its a bunch of good ideas that just don't get any follow through
I find basically all the D+ shows to have this quality, there are tons of bits and pieces that seem to work, but within the context of the series as a whole somethings always ends up being off some how.
"Episode six, tries to explore Gravik's backstory with Fury but then it isn't actually Fury so none of the potential emotional weight there goes anywhere"
This felt exactly like the Lois Lane / Martha Kent conversation in ZSJL that turned out to be Martian Manhunter pretending to be Ma Kent. Both scenes completely undercut what the characters discussed.
For something that is the time equivalent of two individual movies, they really nail it with the great moments and bits, but so many of the shows seem to be lacking the strings to pull them together, despite twice the time of a movie. I feel like I remember the memorable bits and pieces of these shows, but because they aren't strung together, I don't remember the plot or the meaning or the weight or any of the feelings behind them. Because they just aren't there.
4:46 i think we should point out that in justice keague unlimited amazo came back so OP that the only way to deal with him was to redirect his focus. Which lex luthor was able to do which was ironically focus him on his own purpose and be in search of that....exploration of purpose
Our current president is literally clueless it matches perfect
I hope Nando addresses the mess of making DNA give super Skrulls cosmic power. Like how can they use Carol’s binary form? Do they get Quill’s celestial abilities from his DNA? If Jean was here does her DNA give access to the phoenix force? If DNA is going to be used to give powers then it should only give base powers.
Side note if you can do the cgi for Captain Marvel then why not have her show up?
I was surprised I didn't see a repulsor blast here and there to be honest.
What bothered me was how all the DNA gathered from the battle in Endgame was in one vial. I mean, that would mean that all the samples are mixed up, possibly diluted, and certainly unlabeled. It just makes no sense to store multiple DNA samples that way! At first, when Fury took that single vial out of the fake gravestone, I honestly though it might have been a key or something for where the *actual* DNA samples were hidden.
@@crazypeopleonsunday7864molecular biologist here 🙋🏽♀️ it’s actually pretty standard to have multiple DNA samples in a single vial for sequencing purposes. Each sample is linked to a unique sequence of nucleotides which acts as a barcode. You can then map the barcode back to each sample post analysis. Although it definitely is so stupid to store ALL the powerful superhero DNA in ONE vial which could be taken by ANYONE (clearly).
@@farhanaaamy That's really good to know. Thanks for the info. Now if you'll excuse me, I need to go clean the egg off my face.
@@crazypeopleonsunday7864 They depicted it so poorly in the show, not your fault at all!
It was kind of insane to me that, once Gi’ah and Gravik got the Harvest powers that… they just knew how to use all of them straight away? Like all of them. No training, no nothing, just two Super Saiyan’s going at it.
Idk, maybe the real Secret Invasion was the friends we made along the way. 4/10
I would disagree. While the fight isn’t staged very well, I think that’s the POINT: they have no idea what they’re doing. They don’t IMMEDIATELY take to the air, or even start throwing hard punches. They sorta’ fiddle around a lot, and they’re both trained soldiers, so they know HOW to fight, but not how to fight using SUPERPOWERS. It happened a little TOO fast, but the way the comics depict Super Skrulls is that they can’t access EVERYTHING at once. They have to focus. Again, it could’ve been drawn out longer to better convey that point, but it’s definitely there.
Exactly..like Giah was familiar with how Mantis powerset worked free falling to the earth
@@northphillypI think Gravik using Ebony Maw’s powers was the one that got me, like how does blood give you telekinesis?
@@joeycoe85that’s fair, guess it’s ETTO. They did seem to go for big punchy powers first and then try some more obscure ones
@@AJS998 Exactly..he even wore Maw's ring🤣😂 how did they miss that
"Never mention the Skrulls again." Lol, so like the Inhumans? Can we move on to mutants now?
My biggest gripe is that they NEVER TOLD US WHEN THEY STARTED SWITCHING PEOPLE!!! The Prime Minister, the NATO dude, freaking Rohdey! How long has he been switched?! That's the whole point, blow our minds with how long he's been a Skrull. The show gives the impression that a minute before filming everything got started which takes away all the tension.
NANDO! This is your regular reminder to make that “why I don’t do One Small Change videos anymore” video!
I’m sure you’ve got a good reason, but man, I miss them. Your Chewbacca interrogation scene was absolutely inspired…
Seconded!
It's frustrating that such a creative concept and talented cast were wasted for such a mediocre premise.
Good enough premise, just a horrendous execution though.
The premise was good, the execution was horrendous
Big Genius Bad Guy: "This machine is specifically designed to give anyone inside it super powers. ...let me drag you into it with me"
This show ended where it should have started, just like Kenobi.
I want a low key show of Obi building a life on Tattoine with Force Ghost Qui-Gon Jinn being sassy as they contemplate morality and philosophy and the galaxy.
I want a Secret Invasion that's a spy thriller, where you can't trust any one you see and it doesn't even really matter what the Skrulls want, their methods are so terrifying that we are blinded by fear from trusting them.
And it seems like in the only one.
Gravic only used his ability to decieve ONCE when he killed Maria Hill in the fist episode. Every episode since then he may as well just be a superpowered terrorist
Part of me wishes that this series used the What If? approach. In this case, every episode tethered by a core figure (Nick Fury & The Watcher) as a separate perspective explores the central conflict per episode before coming together at the end.
You just wrote a better premise than this entire series.
I don’t think it was bad, but I don’t think it was the right time to make it, and it didn’t feel impactful enough to the overall universe. It was still entertaining though, and that’s the most important thing.
Secret Invasion was so secret that not even the audience saw any Invasion happen
YOoo
The series had a promising start and some good acting, but it really fizzled quickly. Marvel really needs to focus on better storytelling. I'm honestly worried about the Sam Wilson Captain America movie.
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Same
The fact they left a blooper in the second episode shows how much they care at this point.
Why was it even on Fury to find them a planet? Carol Danvers was the one that promised that and actually had the means to do it. Fury was just a spy guy without powers. He didn’t have a spaceship. Maybe if they did a thing where Carol had *found* a planet or a few and Fury HELD that info because he “needed” the Skrulls to keep working for him would have been an interesting moral grey area twist
Nando was the reviewer who (of the ones I pay attention to) who was skeptical one episode in. I felt he pulled his punches (in hopes it was gonna get better).
It feels like something went wrong at a pretty base level. The studio gave too much of a list to the showrunner. The showrunner tied the writers' hands. Something got rushed.
This (Secret Invasion) could have been better.
Super Skrulls don’t have all the powers at once. If they don’t have the time to focus a healing power before a killing blow, they are dead. Every time that Gravik healed with extremis, it wasn’t a killing blow and he had ample time to focus the power. So if your fast enough, you can stop them.
If this is really what they want to do, then Terrence Howard should have had a cameo as the Rhodey rescued from the skrull facility at the end.
Fun fact: Maria hill actor asked for her character to be killed off after reading the script for this show
Things i expected of this show:
- More of Kreega ( mysterious woman that worked next to Gravik and has been seen in a decent amount of shots) What even happened to the skrull that took her identity.
- Less of Fury's wife (More of Falsworth, G'iah, Ritson etc.)
- More backstory on the skrull who took Rhodey's identity
- More dialogue on how and when Rhodey got replaced
- More skrulls in their own skin
- More Talos and even more Maria HIll 🙃
- Since Rhodey was in this show, maybe his War Machine suit??
- Fury and Gravik actually meeting again instead of G'iah at the end.
- a better goodbye with G'iah and her dad
- For Gravik to have a longer fight with G'iah with more dialogue
- Maybe a scene where Fury tell Ritson that Talos saved him. There where plenty of soldiers on that field that could've seen Talos breaking that window.
- They mentioned a cloaking device?? where tf was that..
- Lowkey wished there were two Fury's in this show one being a skrull and all that being revealed at the end. I mean he said: I'm Nick Fury. Even when i'm out, i'm in, so they could've build it of that..
- For Talos and Maria HIll to have a good ending.
- They could've revealed Rhodey being a skrull by killing Talos right infront of Fury. Instead of that shower scene.
- Asking for a lot here but they've could've shown a younger Gravik collecting all the blood with that team he sent in.
- A post creditscene where Gravik heals himself with either his Groot or Extremist powers or any other powers that have the ability to heal from a blast like that. Or a scene where Gravik's body gets picked up by people sent by Thunderbolt Ross or Val.
There is probably more..that will come to mind.. but man... those last two episodes really let me down, how invested i was in waiting for these episodes. What a joke.
The Rhodes Skrull thing was I believe due to a bunch of channels and their fans brow beating that to death and they appeased them
Now they're mad that he might of been taken during the Civil War
They NEVER let things play out , and want their fan fiction as a plot
Now they're trying to shoehorn Galactus in this show like wtf? These channels just take a beloved comic character and just push them in plots they don't make any sense in , he's a being that eats planets and has heralds to find them
I saw a comment where someone said "I hope all of you are happy now" in response to Rhodes/Reva being Rhodey since the Infinity War movie
@@thepubknight6144Bruh blaming a TH-cam channel on the failures of a DISNEY SHOW
Copying a theory because they didn't have ideas is so f dumb, blame Marvel
G'iah being the most powerful character in the MCU, no excuses she gotta be in Kang Dynasty and Secret Wars now
Maybe she'll just go to space and never be seen again.
@@LemurMaster
Lol, the MCU just uses the Sabre as an excuse to shuffle around characters they don’t have use fir at the moment
They will never mention her again i guarantee
Invasion of the Body Snatchers from 78 is absolutely one of the greatest Horror movies of all time...problaby only behind The Thing and Evil Dead. Such a classic. Marvel should have taken some inspiration for Secret Invasion.
No. No, sir, the current American president is actually rather dull. I'm still not entirely convinced he has two fully-formed and active brain cells available for simultaneous usage in his day-to-day life.
And let's not even get started on the fact that he's absolutely ancient--a prehistoric fossil in a three-piece suit--rotting before our very eyes from behind the Oval Office desk ...
But, uh, yeah... Marvel sucks these days. That's going on, too.