The way to do it is this. First you get a Citizen because you want a watch that looks very smart while being bomb proof and accurate, very well made by one of the biggest names in the business, was used as standard issue by the Italian navy. Then you get the Orient because occasionally you like posing in the sunlight. So far I've got the Citizen.
Andy Farrell How often do you dive to 200m with air ballons? Orient Ray II successfully tested by user to 30M and have everything you need from good automatic watch
I have the Orient and I love it. It's a beautiful watch, but just as Arthur mentioned, the rotating bezel is extremely stiff and difficult to operate because of the narrow teeth. The screwdown crown is also not as smooth as my citizen. These are small issues with me personally as I wear it for a dress watch (I have the metal band ). The more rounded bezel is superior for dress shirts as it doesn't catch on your sleeve as much. I think if I had to buy over again I would always buy a sapphire crystal. I got mine for $120 and the citizen is $220. Quite a difference in price.
I couldnt agree more with you. I own citizen as well, and i really happy for it. It wears nice on wrist, its durable, its ISO diver certified and it used by italian military a decade long (they rebranded it, tested to survived 500m depth and it passed!). Wonderful review. and keep up the good work man!
30 meters is almost nothing but I frecuently carried it at that deep scuba diving and no problems so it's perfect for the most usual swimming and snorkeling.
@@fertexasAgreed. But you have to agree that it says a lot about the tank like build quality. It’s reassuring to know that the watch on your wrist can take some abuse..
I ( like you ) am in love with the Citizen , I also own the quartz Pro Master from the year 2000 . The Orient Ray II is perfect but it lacks a soul , the Citizen , on the other hand , has a certain something that makes you love him stronger as days go by . Love your channel , subscribed after watching your first video . Thanks , brother .
I have the same Orient Ray II with blue dial and now waiting to purchase that same Citizen Promaster with black dial which production has been discontinued! Really like this comparison video becuse I love both watches. I'd complete my Japanese automatic divers collection along with my Seiko King Turtle once I purchase the Citizen!! Update: I finally bought a new NY004050E which has the same black dial comes with the OEM metal bracelet. Same specs, but surprise!! This one came with the Miyota 8204 movement which does hack! Im' definitely loving it! But I usually wear it on different straps.. I just love swapping straps on this watch to dress it up matching my mood or what I'm wearing. On the other hand I mainly wear my Orient Ray 2 as a dressy diver so use it with the bracelet as it keeps it looking really shinny to match my shirts at work.
For me its a tie i like both brands but for now i prefer the citizen cause for now i didnt have a citizen with my collection so this will be a better alternate with mu skx
Didn't know you were into watched. Have watched a few of your Sony reviews. All good. Just got a new black Ray ii for $113 yesterday. Had an old one with pusher years ago. Much better movement in this one. Good seeing this. Take care and stay safe.
I had already ordered the Orient because, on paper, It`s the best value out there and is really well made. But only two hours later, I found out what the Citizen is all about and cancelled the Orient to order the Citizen. I also think the Ray is too dressy for my taste, an wouldn't have really bonded with it anyways.
I have the Ray as well. I found it too dressy also. My solution was to fully brush the case. It actually looks much better without the polished sides. Great watch, no complaints.
The only reason a few reviewers are held up on calling it out right the better watch, it's because of that "something", that something is yall personal attachment of being married to the other watch so long. If you rise something on a pedestal for years and give it a sacred emotional attachment, it takes a new comer awhile to beat that, but the reality and the facts are that the mako and Ray gen II's are the best entry level dive watches on the market currently, if you throw all that sentimental baggage away :-)
JPW Photographic Studio they made a quartz eco drive version of the watch. id rather get that version since the accuracy and the functionality fits the toolish theme quite well.
wut.. its clearly a diver watch (type, not sure if its iso rated).. diver watch : min 100m, big lume, unidirectional bezel, solid strap, good visibility, etc. dress watch: simple dial, leather strap, rosegold/silver dial/bezel, (all of that characteristic are 'mostly')..
LOL ! I've been wearing the Promaster for a few months now, and never associated the marker with underwear. However - given a bit of imagination - I have to admit you're right.
Are they any different in scratch resistance? Compared to one another and the skx? I have 100m sapphire kinetic seiko for my everyday life, its a classic dress watch I enjoy it so much, it also runs +~2.5seconds per month, but now I feel that I need one diver as well for hotter summer days at the beach, really can't chose between these 3 best mechanical diver watches.
No, both are the same when it comes to scratch resistance. The SKX is going to be horribly inaccurate - I have owned a few and they were all either 25 seconds slow a day or 30 seconds fast a day. I still think the Citizen is the best of the group. Orient is 2nd place. Both of those offers a far more accurate movement.
Thanks for the quick response, so what about hardlex crystal compared to mineral used in these 2, is it any different in your experience? Or it's realy just mineral - sapphire and nothing in between? *also I agree that 25 seconds+/- per day is just awful, even for the entry-level:(
I have a Citizen Promaster. If your 40 + you will have great difficulty reading the date. I knew this when I bought it from other reviews, but living with it at work, when I need to know the date, it's a real pain in the ass. I just bought a Seiko SRP777 because the date is easy to read, and it even has a day of the week too.
just bought the blue ray. So i want to ask. As a freediver which just dive for 20~30M, can the orient survive ? Because just read the comment that orient wasn't ISO certified for diving or whatsoever. So i have my doubt...
I actually prefer the more traditional styling queues of the Citizen , but the hacking seconds on the Orient is the deal breaker for me . For that reason only I would probably choose the Orient given the choice. Cant go wrong with either sub 2 hundred.
Watch Addict81 You really can't. I wish the citizen was hackable, but since all new citizen divers are ecodrive, I don't think they will ever update the movement.
i have the citizen ..had it along time on a cheap ebay shark mesh strap ..never had any problems with watch in fact still looks brand new ..even the cheap mesh strap been fine ..i'm sure citizen have stopped making this model..with the crown at 8 o'clock
I'm a desk diver kind & occasional swimmer therefore orient blue ray suits my lifestyle better. However I can see why u prefer the citizen more because of its rugged & toolish look. Either way both are truely the best affordable watches from the land of the rising sun. Keep up the goods reviews. Truely enjoyed.
A black faced Orient would have been a better comparison. Holding mine up to the screen it fairs better in looks than the Citizen. If I were serious about diving I would buy the Citizen but I'm not, so I have the Ray because it looks absolutely gorgeous in black on a nato strap and I bought it for a mere £110 sterling.
I bought the Citizen recently. I like the watch, but when you give it a shake you can really hear the mechanism inside rattling. Is that the case with them generally-has anyone else had this experience?
Hi, I'm looking to purchase the seiko skx 007j, what are your thoughts, l love ths design and feel on the wrist but l'm concenned about thw power reserve. Would it keep time for a day or two, mayne overnight without it having wrist time. Or have you gor any other watch you can suggest please?
Hey man,i just bought my orient ray 2 and everytime i walk pass a anti theft alarm,it always set off. Its kinda embrassing tho even tho i dont steal anything. is there anything that make it set the alarm off
No, it "jumps" :( More accurate time keeping, the same water protection and almost no batteries required, at least in a long, long time. Maybe the most important of all: I don't have to get it checked and serviced (oiled) each five years.
The Citizen suffers the same deal as some of the Seiko "divers", the 12 hour indice is not lined-up with the inner bezel that surrounds it. I'd be pretty annoyed seeing something like this on my wrist.
"If I had to get rid of one and had the choice of keeping one of them, I would go with the citizen".... To get rid of or keep? You really made that unclear.
I prefer the Citizen. As was said it's more interesting to look at, it's less bulky, to me 20mm lug width is better than 22mm. There's no need for 22mm lugs on a 41, 42mm wide watch. The Orient looks like just another dive watch wannabe, there's something about it that just does not work.
Great Review. Just want to point out that Orient makes predominantly mechanical movements and manufactures all of their movements in house. Citizen is not known for mechanical movements. I can attest that the Orient movement is extremely accurate. Mine is consistently in the range of less than 5+ sec/day.
@@Slanovich He's just pointing out that Orient has an inhouse movement, Citizen is just putting a miyota movement in their product. Is there something wrong? Absolutely not, but it's a great effort on Orient's side to do all the work by themselves since they're not a giant company, I'd say it has a little bit more value when you do the whole thing, but that's just my personal opinion, both watches are amazing.
OMG! No calipers atawl? The cases are bashing up against each other on the wrist?? No accuracy on the Ray??? No bloody accent???? At least have a name like "Sabastian", "Esteban" or "Enrique" for the Queens sake! Citizen does seem to get the "red-headed stepchild" treatment to Seiko & Orient. If it had a name like "Shimin" or "Medborgare" it might not have acquired the stigma. With more side by side comparison video's like yours, Citizen just may get bumped up to the adult table at next years holiday meal. Good stuff, Prince Jacob.
Yeah 20mm wears more comfortably and to me looks more proportional on a sub 42mm watch. It’s one reason I still wear my promaster eco drive because even though it’s 44mm it still comes in a 20mm rubber strap.
Very well done review! Thanks. I have one citizen watch. I also own like 10 Seiko watches. It depends on a personal taste. I am still a Seiko to go guy! Locally anyways!
The way to do it is this. First you get a Citizen because you want a watch that looks very smart while being bomb proof and accurate, very well made by one of the biggest names in the business, was used as standard issue by the Italian navy.
Then you get the Orient because occasionally you like posing in the sunlight. So far I've got the Citizen.
Hahahahha exactly
Lol dude, I had my Ray for 12 years now and it still has accurate time and I still wear it for diving, your comment is rather simplifying
My brand new 0040 has the 8304 movement which is hack-able.
They updated the movement on this watch recently.
Something else that might sway the potential purchaser: the Citizen is ISO 6425 certified for diving (like the Seiko SKX007) whereas the Orient isn't.
Andy Farrell as if people are buying it because they are diving
Andy Farrell How often do you dive to 200m with air ballons? Orient Ray II successfully tested by user to 30M and have everything you need from good automatic watch
If im not mistaken the Iso6425 also test the watches to be shock resistant and antimagnetic
also Citizen has been worn by Italy s Marina Militare and tested up to 500m
I have the Orient and I love it. It's a beautiful watch, but just as Arthur mentioned, the rotating bezel is extremely stiff and difficult to operate because of the narrow teeth. The screwdown crown is also not as smooth as my citizen. These are small issues with me personally as I wear it for a dress watch (I have the metal band ). The more rounded bezel is superior for dress shirts as it doesn't catch on your sleeve as much. I think if I had to buy over again I would always buy a sapphire crystal. I got mine for $120 and the citizen is $220. Quite a difference in price.
I couldnt agree more with you. I own citizen as well, and i really happy for it. It wears nice on wrist, its durable, its ISO diver certified and it used by italian military a decade long (they rebranded it, tested to survived 500m depth and it passed!). Wonderful review. and keep up the good work man!
30 meters is almost nothing but I frecuently carried it at that deep scuba diving and no problems so it's perfect for the most usual swimming and snorkeling.
500m LOL ...99.9% of the users will wear it to the resort's pool :-)
@@fertexasAgreed.
But you have to agree that it says a lot about the tank like build quality.
It’s reassuring to know that the watch on your wrist can take some abuse..
@@e28forever30 true
Just bought the NY0040 from Germany. Now I am waiting for the Orient Ray 2 Orange!
I ( like you ) am in love with the Citizen , I also own the quartz Pro Master from the year 2000 . The Orient Ray II is perfect but it lacks a soul , the Citizen , on the other hand , has a certain something that makes you love him stronger as days go by . Love your channel , subscribed after watching your first video . Thanks , brother .
Nice comparrison. Both are nice watches, but the crown on the opposite side on your version of the Citizen drives me crazy haha.
If I had a dime every time I heard someone say they had a SKX but got rid of it when they purchased a NY0440....
I have the same Orient Ray II with blue dial and now waiting to purchase that same Citizen Promaster with black dial which production has been discontinued!
Really like this comparison video becuse I love both watches. I'd complete my Japanese automatic divers collection along with my Seiko King Turtle once I purchase the Citizen!!
Update: I finally bought a new NY004050E which has the same black dial comes with the OEM metal bracelet. Same specs, but surprise!! This one came with the Miyota 8204 movement which does hack! Im' definitely loving it! But I usually wear it on different straps.. I just love swapping straps on this watch to dress it up matching my mood or what I'm wearing.
On the other hand I mainly wear my Orient Ray 2 as a dressy diver so use it with the bracelet as it keeps it looking really shinny to match my shirts at work.
Absolutely love my pro master, savage bit of kit ! Glad I got it worth the money 💴
i was just recently making a desicion between these two and went with the promaster ny0040 blue dial. can't wait till it arrives.
MisterMarkus Good choice! I have been eyeing that model for a while. Not very easy to find.
Good choise
Same here! Beautiful watch.
MM i have that promaster with blue dial..the time is so accurate
Great choise
Excellent comparison. I'm too a big fan of the Citizen. I like wearing things that are not that common out there. Every other person wears an SKX.
Nick K skx is ugly
For me its a tie i like both brands but for now i prefer the citizen cause for now i didnt have a citizen with my collection so this will be a better alternate with mu skx
these are the two watches i want, both look great
Didn't know you were into watched. Have watched a few of your Sony reviews. All good. Just got a new black Ray ii for $113 yesterday. Had an old one with pusher years ago. Much better movement in this one. Good seeing this. Take care and stay safe.
I had already ordered the Orient because, on paper, It`s the best value out there and is really well made. But only two hours later, I found out what the Citizen is all about and cancelled the Orient to order the Citizen. I also think the Ray is too dressy for my taste, an wouldn't have really bonded with it anyways.
What is the citizen all about? Elaborate us please!
I have the Ray as well. I found it too dressy also.
My solution was to fully brush the case. It actually looks much better without the polished sides.
Great watch, no complaints.
Is the Citizen movement found in a dresser watch.
Excellent presentation, very professional. Thanks!
The only reason a few reviewers are held up on calling it out right the better watch, it's because of that "something", that something is yall personal attachment of being married to the other watch so long. If you rise something on a pedestal for years and give it a sacred emotional attachment, it takes a new comer awhile to beat that, but the reality and the facts are that the mako and Ray gen II's are the best entry level dive watches on the market currently, if you throw all that sentimental baggage away :-)
Donn Testa well said👍🏼
NY0040-17LE The blue dial one :)
The Citizen is tried and tested - Italian Navy like them. Orient still nice though. The Citizen is not easy to find now - pity.
Did you find one yet?
JPW Photographic Studio they made a quartz eco drive version of the watch. id rather get that version since the accuracy and the functionality fits the toolish theme quite well.
If you find one, treasure it and with care it'll probably last another 20 years ahead of its already 20 years of age.
They are still readily available in Italy.
Just got the brand new Citizen NY0040 from Germany for EU 189
Nice review,but I still prefer the orient over the citizen.Citizen just looks more toolish to me whereas the orient looks more versatile to wear.
I agree, the Orient is more attractive, the Citizen is more of a tool watch.
I got the Blue ray II and I must say I shouldve bought a Seiko Monster. I just think it looks inconsistent between dresser and diver.
Karan It's a "tool watch" alright. The 12 o'clock marker looks like underwear.
wut.. its clearly a diver watch (type, not sure if its iso rated).. diver watch : min 100m, big lume, unidirectional bezel, solid strap, good visibility, etc.
dress watch: simple dial, leather strap, rosegold/silver dial/bezel, (all of that characteristic are 'mostly')..
LOL ! I've been wearing the Promaster for a few months now, and never associated the marker with underwear. However - given a bit of imagination - I have to admit you're right.
I saw on another video that the case on this watch is made in China. Was the ray 1 case also made in China?
Great video! I was looking at these two
Are they any different in scratch resistance? Compared to one another and the skx? I have 100m sapphire kinetic seiko for my everyday life, its a classic dress watch I enjoy it so much, it also runs +~2.5seconds per month, but now I feel that I need one diver as well for hotter summer days at the beach, really can't chose between these 3 best mechanical diver watches.
No, both are the same when it comes to scratch resistance. The SKX is going to be horribly inaccurate - I have owned a few and they were all either 25 seconds slow a day or 30 seconds fast a day. I still think the Citizen is the best of the group. Orient is 2nd place. Both of those offers a far more accurate movement.
Thanks for the quick response, so what about hardlex crystal compared to mineral used in these 2, is it any different in your experience? Or it's realy just mineral - sapphire and nothing in between? *also I agree that 25 seconds+/- per day is just awful, even for the entry-level:(
Should compare with Orient Triton as both are on par. The price range are too vast.
great comparison and review!
I have a Citizen Promaster. If your 40 + you will have great difficulty reading the date. I knew this when I bought it from other reviews, but living with it at work, when I need to know the date, it's a real pain in the ass. I just bought a Seiko SRP777 because the date is easy to read, and it even has a day of the week too.
Get a solar powered Seiko PADI edition, with cyclops
Where is the opening shot at , Morocco ... ?
just bought the blue ray. So i want to ask. As a freediver which just dive for 20~30M, can the orient survive ? Because just read the comment that orient wasn't ISO certified for diving or whatsoever. So i have my doubt...
no problem
I actually prefer the more traditional styling queues of the Citizen , but the hacking seconds on the Orient is the deal breaker for me . For that reason only I would probably choose the Orient given the choice. Cant go wrong with either sub 2 hundred.
Watch Addict81 You really can't. I wish the citizen was hackable, but since all new citizen divers are ecodrive, I don't think they will ever update the movement.
And with the Citizen on a right-handed person (left wrist usually), operating the stem would be a PIA.
@@ArthurR I have this citizen with the movement 8204 and besides being able to wind up already has hacking.
@@ArthurR they did. new models come with 8024 which hacks
can anyone talk about the mechanism in these watches? which mechanism is better?
Whats your wrist size pleae?
Both are good watches and brands. Just a matter of preference....
Mate if you are going to keep picking them up so the focus goes off PLEASE edit out the unfocused shots -- MY EYES are going NUTS
i have the citizen ..had it along time on a cheap ebay shark mesh strap ..never had any problems with watch in fact still looks brand new ..even the cheap mesh strap been fine ..i'm sure citizen have stopped making this model..with the crown at 8 o'clock
rick66649 no
Nope.
im in love with the ray 2, but that promaster also looks stunning, they dont have it on amazon 😔
In Europe...
I'm a desk diver kind & occasional swimmer therefore orient blue ray suits my lifestyle better.
However I can see why u prefer the citizen more because of its rugged & toolish look.
Either way both are truely the best affordable watches from the land of the rising sun.
Keep up the goods reviews. Truely enjoyed.
I have the Ray 2...it's a good watch for the money..and the lume is better..but I like the pro masters more rugged look with the bezel
A black faced Orient would have been a better comparison. Holding mine up to the screen it fairs better in looks than the Citizen. If I were serious about diving I would buy the Citizen but I'm not, so I have the Ray because it looks absolutely gorgeous in black on a nato strap and I bought it for a mere £110 sterling.
I bought the Citizen recently. I like the watch, but when you give it a shake you can really hear the mechanism inside rattling. Is that the case with them generally-has anyone else had this experience?
Yes, you can hear the movement spinning when you shake it. I think it is normal for the miyota.
Phew . . . Thank you, brother.
If you take a $12000 Rolex and shale it guess what you can hear?
The mechanism rattling!!!!
.... FACEPALM!.....
hi! what's the strap brand on the citizen promaster ?
Hi,
I'm looking to purchase the seiko skx 007j, what are your thoughts, l love ths design and feel on the wrist but l'm concenned about thw power reserve. Would it keep time for a day or two, mayne overnight without it having wrist time. Or have you gor any other watch you can suggest please?
Hey man,i just bought my orient ray 2 and everytime i walk pass a anti theft alarm,it always set off. Its kinda embrassing tho even tho i dont steal anything. is there anything that make it set the alarm off
Wtf?
Liked + subbed, quality review and showcase!
Unless you like wearing your watch on the right hand, it's goofy to have the crown on the left side of the watch.
I think it adds to the uniqueness and the watch wears more comfortably that way.
@@Roughdraft214exactly.
I think I'll just get both.
I'm so in love with my automatic Promaster that I'm thinking to purchase an Eco-Drive Promaster.
But it doesnt SWEEEP!!!! :)
No, it "jumps" :( More accurate time keeping, the same water protection and almost no batteries required, at least in a long, long time. Maybe the most important of all: I don't have to get it checked and serviced (oiled) each five years.
I bought a Citizen Promaster in Spain too and I'm planning to purchase an Orient MakoII but I don't know which is more accurate.
Dont! Go with the automatic. If you dont use it for a long period eco drive must stay under the sun for one day
The Citizen suffers the same deal as some of the Seiko "divers", the 12 hour indice is not lined-up with the inner bezel that surrounds it. I'd be pretty annoyed seeing something like this on my wrist.
"If I had to get rid of one and had the choice of keeping one of them, I would go with the citizen".... To get rid of or keep? You really made that unclear.
In context of the video, it's clear to me at least that he'd prefer to keep the Citizen.
I prefer the Citizen. As was said it's more interesting to look at, it's less bulky, to me 20mm lug width is better than 22mm. There's no need for 22mm lugs on a 41, 42mm wide watch. The Orient looks like just another dive watch wannabe, there's something about it that just does not work.
And the Citizen isn't a dive watch wannabe?
@@bmw128racer no,it's an ISO 6425 certified professional divers watch.
Do try paying attention in future
@@bmw128racer
Smart comment…🙄
Who races a BMW 318 anyway?😁
@@deanwaller8283
Exactly.
Citizen is a better watch IMHO.
Great Review. Just want to point out that Orient makes predominantly mechanical movements and manufactures all of their movements in house. Citizen is not known for mechanical movements. I can attest that the Orient movement is extremely accurate. Mine is consistently in the range of less than 5+ sec/day.
Have you ever heard or Miyota?
@@Slanovich He's just pointing out that Orient has an inhouse movement, Citizen is just putting a miyota movement in their product. Is there something wrong? Absolutely not, but it's a great effort on Orient's side to do all the work by themselves since they're not a giant company, I'd say it has a little bit more value when you do the whole thing, but that's just my personal opinion, both watches are amazing.
@@alexfreetime9597 miyota IS a citizen movement,in effect the citizen does have an in house movement
@@deanwaller8283 yup, I've learned that in the meantime too. I mean, they're part of the group but it's still a bit different than what orient does.
@@alexfreetime9597 it's really not
Citizen crown at the 4??? WTF?
good review
Great review. Better outro.
OMG! No calipers atawl? The cases are bashing up against each other on the wrist?? No accuracy on the Ray??? No bloody accent???? At least have a name like "Sabastian", "Esteban" or "Enrique" for the Queens sake!
Citizen does seem to get the "red-headed stepchild" treatment to Seiko & Orient. If it had a name like "Shimin" or "Medborgare" it might not have acquired the stigma.
With more side by side comparison video's like yours, Citizen just may get bumped up to the adult table at next years holiday meal. Good stuff, Prince Jacob.
Geoff Longford - Or take it easy on the English accent watch channels.
th ny 0040 has become rare cant find it new anywhere
Try in Europe (Germany, Italy, Netherland) You will find both black or blue
love the citizen but for an 8 inch wrist looks small,wish they made a 45mm
45mm is way to big !
the size it is now is perfect in my opinion...
I dont like the 22 mm lugs on the Orient.
Yeah 20mm wears more comfortably and to me looks more proportional on a sub 42mm watch. It’s one reason I still wear my promaster eco drive because even though it’s 44mm it still comes in a 20mm rubber strap.
At least put them to the same time.
Get some calipers. They are less expensive than either of these watches.
Is it ok to buy a diver if you dont even know how to swim.
yes absolutely
Gee thanks for the intertainment
@@stevedecary7498
Intertainment?
😂
you want to start wars. great vid.
My orient ray ii is +18 secs a day. So much for orient being accurate...
Buy and use a €10 demagnetizer, and your Orient will be' +/- 3 secs. Trust me.
Very well done review! Thanks. I have one citizen watch. I also own like 10 Seiko watches. It depends on a personal taste. I am still a Seiko to go guy! Locally anyways!
That Citizen looks like the Seiko SKX007
Not one bit
K onliner It looks like a rejected prototype of the SKX to me...
I would say the opposite, the SKX looks to me like a rejected prototype of the Citizen. To each his own I suppose...
The citizen predates the skx by two years
The case design of the SKX stems from an even older model..
ray 2 just looks nicer
citizen has more detials.
Orient has Hacking, the second stops when pulling out the crown while the Citizen not
Correct.
This ProMaster has More Quality. Period.
@@RM-pg4jsWrong
@@hindenburg1596
Wrong
in my opinion the citizen looks more like a tool, so exactly my taste...
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good for you. Seiko is rubbish. time keeping of Seiko is...... useless.
I don't think so Tim. You really can't say that about Seiko. Bad experience I guess. Tough...
Subjective at all... The Orient is beautiful, the Citizen meh... ugly. The SKX is unique as well, but handsome.
It's a No for the citizen. The crown looks goofy.
The Citizen is a blatant copy of the SKX007 ...
What nonsense. Thank you, Ray Charles.
The citizen was released two years before the skx....try again dummy
What an idiotic comment lmfao
@@deanwaller8283
The SKX case design is older than the SKX itself.
Orient all the way. Looks more classy, can be dress up. Citizen is too bulky-looking.
seiko way better