Now that Seiko has significantly boosted its prices for introductory level watches and has widely publicized QC/alignment issues i would agree ... although I think you could throw citizen in there too.
Bought my Blue Mako II 3 years ago second hand for $90. It has been beaten up at work, swimming, diving, and actually lost it while cliff jumping once and was able to find it. It still keeps great time!
All the Orient dials are very subtle. Under many circumstances, unless the light its hitting them right, they look almost black. And even when the light is hitting the dial, it usually just shows the color in a sunburst diagonal across the dial. The only time the entire watch dial pops is under almost direct sunlight, or jewelry store lighting, if you know what I mean. This is something to note, because most watch reviewers use bright, 2+ source lighting that really provides a lot of illumination and makes the colors seem more vivid than they really are in real life. It's not a negative, per se, just something to note. The flipside of this is that in real world conditions, the back is usually so dark that the polished edge indices on Orients pop like crazy, and create a ton of contrast, making them very readable watches from far away. I would even say these are some of the most easily readable watches I've ever seen.
No confusion here: when Epson fully took over Orient Watch Co., they started putting the word EPSON on the casebacks, fully ditched applied logos (I mean not the emblem but the text itself) and... changed the model numbering from (F|S|...)[model] to [RA/RN/RE/RK]-[model] scheme, where RA means non-Star made outside of Japan, RN means non-Star fully made in Japan, RE means a Star made outside of Japan, and RK means a Star fully made in Japan. That's why, for instance, older Tristars made outside Japan start with FAB, and newer ones start with RA-AB. Same for divers: older FAA/SAA vs. RA-AA for non-JDM and RN-AA for JDM.
I have two Kamasu's, the burgundy and black/gilt versions. Love them both. The only downsides are the bracelets and pressed clasps, as well as the very small crown. I swapped out the bracelet on the burgundy for the jubilee which you sell Mark, and replaced the awful rubber strap on the black for a much nicer sailcloth one. Awesome watches, fantastic value-for-money.
I love the vintage Kamasu. I have the Pepsi Bezel version as shown in this video @9:03 I also want the one with the red dial. They look so cool when the light hits the dial.
I have a JDM version of the sea-green "vintage Kamasu" AA08 with English and Kanji days, and it's a fantastic watch, especially with a Strapcode Super-J (or another Strapcode if you prefer).
I've had my JDM burgendy Kamasu for 3 years and I love it, keeps between 0 and +2 a day. I feel much better now I can get replacement movements and stems, you can buy the F6922 as the S.epson YN56A, The YN55A is just the date version. They are much better than the nh35/36, the size dails and hands are interchangeable. The YN55/6A are made in Japan in the orient factory but they are made for other manufacturers so have different rotor engraving so now you don't have to worry about servicing the movement, you can change it out and it costs less than a Nh35 movement. If your bezel click spring ever breaks the SKX 120 click spring works just fine. I recommend putting a drop of silicone oil in the bezel gap every now and then and a light coat on the crown threads and stem. Also changing the orings every few years. In my opinion Orient is the only big brand name that's worth the money. The JDM models are better but not a whole lot, for me the kanji days just make it look great. I don't mind the stock bracelet it's not that bad. I wish orient would make 28,800bph movements and GMT movements.
So, I'm looking for dive watches for about a week and I'm almost sure I'd like to go for Orient. And today I'm thinking "I wonder if Marc has some input about Orient", and here it is 😂 thank you so much
mako 2 owner here with caveats: crown is too small to operate, bezel is very hard to grip and rotate. rattly bracelet. if you have moneey, go with the kamasu instead.
I went for the ray 2 back then because I loved the design. That was before the new kamasu with the faux vintage lume came out which would have been even cooler. :) In fact i am wearing my ray right now The blue sunburst is amazing ;D
@@susrev88 Thanks, that's good to know because I only have a Tissot Powermatic 80 and it has spoiled me, great full bracelet and a nice, substantial watch, but I'm really having a diver itch lately
@@Vetava I do love my ray but for most people the kamasu is probably the better choice, tbh i just liked the design of the ray the most, and i don't mind not having a saphire crystal. The ray is also cheaper of course (if that plays a part) and apparwntly back then there were some bezel insert and chapter ring alignment issues with the kamasu, but i don't know if that'sstill the case. So I just went for the ray :) Either way honestly just go for the one where you like the disign the most because apart from that and the saphire crystal there's not much different.
I got the Kamasu in green, fantastic watch. The green is really interesting, it's not like a pure green, but this super dark green that only really looks "green" when you get it under lighting. The crown for it is really tiny and hurts my fingers to operate, and I'm never quite sure if I've screwed it down all the way, but honestly that's the only weakness I've found with the watch so far on a day to day basis.
I love that version and have basketed one just now. Am just trying to confirm it is the Kamasu, as the seller states its the Mako III. And im not sure are they the same thing just with dual names? The ref is RA-AA0004E
My son bought me an Orient King Diver from Long Island Watch for Christmas. Its a watch that I had not considered and is very interesting and, of course, I love wearing it, especially, since he gave it to me. I have an inadvertent Orient watch collection growing and really appreciate the brand. I really feel like I'm wearing a quality watch with Orient and its certainly a great value brand.
I own the one on your wrist and have recently ordered another dif colour gold 2 tone…and I have wanted to buy a kanno for ages…horses for different courses I guess..either way I love orient watches
M Force are certified divers and at least one other I believe which the name escapes me at this moment. The one Orient I obtained as a gift after talking about how I liked its looks with wife (she's a keeper) was the "Root Beer" limited series they had. For a "cheap" automatic watch it's running 9-10+ seconds (measured over a period of one month) a day. Couldn't be more happier with it except one thing - wish it had ar coating on sapphire. Besides that I love it on original leather or the rubber strap I picked up.
Bought my first Orient Ray with black face & bezel back in 2015. Was so impressed with it, I bought another as a back-up. So nice not to have to mess with batteries or winding. Illumination--for my 74 year old eyes--is really, really good, even after hours in the dark. Have received many compliments. Best of all, for a watch like this, after 7 years of daily wear, accidental dunking and dropping, striking something hard, all for under $200, it is still working like a champ. And looks new!
@@servantofallah9425 I don't know about "Ray I" or Ray II." . At the time I purchased it, the listing on Amazon was simply "Ray." I'm assuming that it is a Ray I. Here is the model#: EM65008B I've now had it for 9 years, and the only issue is that it loses about one minute/month. Have never needed any service. A really fine quality automatic watch and a can't-beat-it price. I rate this watch right up with the Zodiac, Seiko, and Tag Heuer that I have also owned since 1966. I liked this Ray that I am wearing so much that I bought a second Orient watch--Ray II--that is still in the box and that will be the replacement when my current Ray finally stops working--if it ever does. Hope this is helpful.
in Brazil we have the orient poseidon, which is made here. I bought a limited edition all titanium, including the bracelet. It has a ceramic bezel and power reserve indicator. in addition to the titanium bracelet, it comes with two rubber straps, one blue and one black. there are two models: reference F49TT001 D1GX and reference YN8TT002 E1GX. Great watch!
Titanium could improve the watches by compensating the weight. It should not add much cost to production either. Orient should consider using titanium.
In brazilian internal market Orient has other dive models, manufactured in local plant in Manaus. Some are solar powered (Solartech line and model MPSS2002G1PX), but also have some automatics. Current automatics/mechanicals models are: YN8TT002 - 300m, 46mm titanium case, saphire glass, green dial, special edition with 500 limited units, date, power reserve indicator 469SS073 - 500m, 48mm case, mineral glass, blue/black dial models, day/date "Netuno" F49SS014 - 300m, 42mm case, blue/black/orange dial models, mineral glass, day/date "New Poseison" F49TT001 - 300m 47mm case, blue dial, titanium case, mineral glass, day date "Poseidon" Orient Brasil has many others old models and also actual versions with only 100m resistence but with dive design (rotation bezel, etc)
I have the original triton/neptune in black with the power reserve, been my daily for over 2 years now, love it. Runs a little slow but nothing a quick reset every few weeks can't fix, its an automatic for $300 (at the time) what can you expect? Not an attention drawer by any means, but a great subtle everyday diver.
Thanks for showing us all the models in one place so we can truly compare them for size and style 😃👍! Even Orient’s more expensive models give you a lot of “bang for your buck” when you realize they are completely “in house” produced. I’d love to see them bring out a model that was ISO certified but smaller than the Orient Star Diver, if for no other reason than the vibration and shock resistance standards. (If you look at the instructions that come with the Orient divers they specifically say to avoid wearing while riding a motorcycle 🙁!)
No riding? I can understand no shooting, cause of the shock. I routinely wear my SKX and Islander Monster on the bike, never had issue with them. That Kamasu is looking fine, might have to rethink .
Rolex sub ,the panerai submer, omega, all not iso cert.... to me its over hyped up bulwark, unless it's a lesser proved brand or something that would warrant it
I have an Orient ref. F49TT001 "Neptune" limited to 1000 units, fantastic diver watch. 100% titanium, up to 300m deep and fastastic looking. The mineral cristal glass is the low point.
Thank you for the great video! Thanks to you i got to choose my first dive watch, which is a Ray 2. A killer watch to have have after my first one ever which was a Seiko SNKE51.
Yes, the Mako USA II is still for sale on the Orient USA website. Currently on sale for $324. They also still sell the Mako XL with the day pusher. Although, they are all listed as “sold out”. 🙁
Got mine with a white dial on Black Friday a few years ago for $199. Love the watch. Keeps excellent time. The tiny crown is my only complaint, and even that I forgive because the watch is great otherwise
I have the Mako XL in the same colors. The metal bracelet and everything... I absolutely love it. I was looking for a diver with a larger dial on a budget and I also wanted the automatic movement. So, I decided on it a few years ago. There was also one in a green dial but the blue just looks very luxurious in person. Only thing I'd would add would be a sapphire glass upgrade. That's all.
have a Mako with a blue dial with a separate date changer - not seen in this video. 10 years old and still runs perfectly. Had to replace the bracelet because it broke. Apart from that, a faultless watch that still looks and runs fantastic. The blue dial is wonderful when the light hits it, otherwise it looks black. Highly recommended...great video by the way.
I had a big budget for a dive watch but for now I decided to go with the kamasu. You just can’t beat orient they check all the boxes. I was picky since I wanted day and date and most divers had just date on a random spot like between 4&5 or on top of 6 o’clock. And I wanted a sunburst dial. I didn’t want another orient but here we are 😂
Just bought the 2022 Orient Kamasu with gradient red bezel, dial, and the vintage lume. Just a bit sportier, and a cleaner/less busy bezel for my taste, and the 2022 has a brushed case finish on the sides now to match the band. Can't wait!
The Black Ray, Red Kamasu and the latest green Triton make up my Orient ‘Divers’. I love Orient but I’ve been ignoring them a little lately for more expensive watches in my collection, watching this has just made me put one on again. I love that Kano but the switch back to mineral glass puts me off a little.
I enjoy my Neptune, but it's a bit on the heavy side and the bracelet a bit on the light side, so one of Marc's bracelets helped balance things out! It kept excellent time at first; but after a few motorcycle rides, it ran slow. Sent it back to Orient repair center in LA and they never opened it, returning it with a timegrapher print out stating -4s/day...very different from my jeweler's Witschi and it still loses 45 secs/day just like before I sent it to them. Expected more from that 40N5A movement. As often as I have to reset the time, I wish the crown was a little less slippery. It was my first non-Swiss watch and now I'm afraid to try any non-quartz Japanese watch. That said, I love the power meter and it's built like a tank and probably deserves the JIS diver certification. I found mine on clearance for under $300, so it's a terrific value; however, some find the slimmer versions infinitely more wearable.
I have the red Kamsu. It’s amazing, the red is darker than you’d expect and almost black. My only complaint is the signature in the crowd just vanished after a few uses. It’s obviously not etched or it’s VERY shallow
I owned the triton, orient star diver, orient star classic an sun an moon version 5. Miss them all.. I only own the kamasu limited edition now. If i could have only one watch out of the list.. Id take the triton in blue dial. To me that watch was so special. One of a kind. Highly buil, Beaitiful, just perfect..... Ive only owned orient watches since i got into watches 2 years ago. Wish i had my 5 watch orient collection still....
I've worn my red Kamasu for about three years now. And honestly I have only one complaint about it. The bezel insert. It is positioned slightly higher than the crystal, this kind of protects the sapphire crystal but... It is a painted aluminium insert. It is like protecting an anvil by covering it in humming birds. After three years the crystal is, as one may expect from sapphire crystal, pristine. The bezel insert however looks like it's been through the war, or several wars in fact. As far as I know there are no aftermarket ceramic inserts for this bezel, which is a shame really. Now, Long Island Watch have two replacement bezels, one has a coin edge and the other is more true to the original (I am still deep within the process of trying to decide which one to get) but neither of them feature the gentle slope the original has. And I really liked that in the overall design, it makes the watch look less bulky and, with the right shirt, it makes it a tiny bit easier to slide it under the sleeve. But the current state of the bezel insert kind of screams for replacement and even though I don't really fancy the flat bezel insert, it will definitely improve the overall looks of the watch. So there you go, it's not like being caught between a rock and a hard place but I guess that's just life, I can't expect a perfect one between the choices offered. It's gonna be pretty expensive though because of shipping and customs for American products here in Europe but hey....it was a gift from my mom and I will cherish and, when necessary, invest in it for the rest of my life. And the maroon or burgundy or red dial, depending on the light, is just 😍! And it'a strap magnet, almost anything you throw at it just sticks. I absolutely love this watch.
Great run through and break down of the Orient divers! I have what you refer to as the Mako XL with the luminescent dial and it's my favorite every day watch! I do like the new Trident with the offset crown.
Agreed...but, the variables seem to be size, day/date or just date, crown location, crystal composition and straps. Keeping all of that straight, especially since Orient sounds like they are dropping the use of model names...is the confusing part.
Great vid. Orient seem to get overshadowed a bit and I don't know why. Their watches are fantastic. The Triton with the power reserve is a favourite for me. Thanks.
I got the Mako USA II, can’t say enough good things about it! It’s interesting what you said about them dropping the names because when I ordered my watch straight from Orient it was listed as “Mako USA II” but now it’s just a reference number.
Owned the Mako 2, mako 3 and mini neptune. Currently own the mako 3 and its great, it did have a click spring failure (went to 60 click) but that was a 6 dollar fix i could do at home. The mako 2 and mini neptune were great,and all orients i owned were very accurate (1-15 seconds off depending on your luck) Great brand, its everything seiko used to be
First of all Mark is to thank you for this new thread. I love Orient, such an authentic horology for this price amount... is pure love. Perhaps, I can not afford a necesary amount of money to get the Omega Seamaster, a Glashütte Original, or a Glycine Combat-Sub... it doesn't matter to me, because with Orient's catalogue of divers they provide happiness and well known products. A good products with history and prestige, for these amounts of money, is just heroical!. Love you Orient!! Saludos!!
i have 2 orients at the moment : a gen 2 mako and an open heart + small seconds. i've got another one incoming: a gen 1 ray raven . can't beat the quality of this brand.
Not only do you get a sapphire bezel on the Kamasu, but you get a stunning, cohesive style that just gets better with time. Add a Strapcode bracelet and you have the ultimate affordable daily...
I enjoy my Ray II. The blue dial is GORGEOUS. My only complaint I have is the crown can be rather difficult to manipulate and push back in. Otherwise, solid watch.
I really like the neptune with the 4 o'clock crown & power reserve indicator but they are discontinued and on ebay for stupid money, I have a few divers now & won't get another one unless it has a power reserve indicator,
Orient just announced a third generation of Kamasus that feature a dial with arabic numbers. It comes in 4 different colours. My favourite is the one with a charcoal grey dial.
Thanks for another great review. Orient Mako III (black version with black rubber strap) was My first automatic watch and I liked it from the very first moment. It looks astonishing, especially when i'm wearing a black t-shirt. Believe it or not, I bought it a week ago for less than 150$ (629 PLN) in one of the Polish online stores, so the factor value to money is unbeatable and possibly out of range of any competition. Hope to be a guest on The Urban Gentry channel soon. It's great to watch you guys. Maybe this time you will talk about less typical watches - e.g. one-hand or 24-hour watches?
@@tamerdawud6930 My version is with a rubber strap, but they offer version with bracelet, but it's a bit more expensive - around 183$ (based on actual current rate PLN/USD).
I would LOVE to see Orient make their Fliegers in 38 mm. Great watches, and the F6922 is THE best affordable-range caliber out there, end of discussion. 😀👍🏻
Its not a full bronze case. Its bronze plated. Thats what i dont like. I own the watch. Wear it everyday. Its a great orient watch. Beautiful dial .... I wish orient made this a full bronze case being its limited edition. They made the same watch stainless..
Ordered the Orient Kamasu this week. I should get it next week. I'm glad you made the video today so I can watch it and have great anticipation for next week. I can't wait to get it. I have the green Bezel. Please advise a strap recommendation. Thanks.
Great list Marc. I have the orange bezel Mako XL, one of my favourite watches, great timekeeping, suits the bigger wrist very well, the hands are really spectacularly finished, though the lume can get through a night, it's not as bright as the modern day Orients. The bezel action is one of the best there is. They're still available though some like my orange one are getting a bit harder to find.
They re-released the Mako USA II a couple months ago and the white sold out in the first day. I'm glad I got mine when they were first introduced. But the others are still available now. It's the best watch ever for the price. I thought about getting a blue one, but I have a blue Kanno and it is really quite attractive
I have it in blue but I’d like a white dial too, you are correct about them being the best at that price, I definitely can’t think of anything better at that price.
I just picked up a nearly perfect Lume face Mako XL (my first Orient) on eBay for $100 a couple of weeks ago and then found a Mako II Pepsi with a modded solid end link jubilee bracelet and made a $100 offer that was accepted. The Pepsi has a few nicks in the case and I did a light restoration on the brushed areas on the bracelet but they both keep nearly perfect time and are around +5 seconds a week. I put the XL on a black gator leather strap with Breitling deployant clasp and am planning on upgrading the crystals on both to sapphire and doing a new sub-style bezel and a lumed sapphire Pepsi insert but honestly, I love them just the way they are and can’t stop looking at my wrist when I wear either one of them. I am thinning out some of my other watches to make room in the winder for at least 2 more Orients that I have my eye on. I wish I had discovered Orient years ago.
I own a seamster and it's great. The orient for the money is my favorite watch. It's taken a beaten, accidentally got the movement wet and it's still going strong 10 years later. Pins on bracelet are only complaint.
Agreed. I replaced the bracelet with an oyster style bracelet from Strapcode. Brings it up to a whole new level! They also sell a Jubilee style bracelet for these. 👍
@@arielargo yeah love it. Not a fan of jubillees as they feel too blingy. The Strapcode oyster has a male endlink which isnt ideal. Im glad you like them! Ive tried it on a mesh as well and its a good match.
Great prices, in house movements all sounds great. The only problem i have with orient is their warranty support and repairs for Canada. Heard its a nightmare to deal with.
Yes, it's something to think about, in İstanbul where I'm based at the moment, the Orient service center is 10 minutes away from our apartment! However, I have 4 Orients, oldest one for 5 years now and never had to have one repaired. They're extremely reliable so if you can get one at a good price, I wouldn't worry about it too much. 🙂
Great video Marc! I have the pepsi Kamasu, love it so much. Could you also make the Citizen promaster version for next video? I'd love to know all dive watches from Citizen.
Great concept and video, Marc! I’ll be keeping my fingers crossed for that white USA 2 to come back, mad at myself for not getting one from you when I had the chance. Great looking watch.
The USA 2 came back out a couple months ago. I know the white sold out within hours cause it was a limited release I think if either 100 or 300 that rings a bell but I believe that they might still have the blue dial and black dial available on their site.
Yes, my white Orient Mako USA 2 is still my favorite and was a great deal at $200 on sale from Marc back in the day. From what I remember they sold out within hours at that price. I customized my watch with a coin edge bezel and a black luminous insert.
@@douglasbollinger8678 I missed the sale on Marc’s site but found the white dial at Orient for the same $199. Black Friday. It’s one of my favorite watches, and now has some scars on the bezel from how much I use it
As you've noted before, Marc, when the pusher was deleted for the Gen. 2 version Mako, all the sudden (as we say in S. Jersey), folks were saying, "Hey! What happened to the pusher?! I want that cool pusher feature!" And of course, on that auction site Orient sales reflected that revived interest. Go figure, right? My biggest "d'oh!" was when I let it slide when you had that Orient USA II in white for $199. And then they were gone...
Not sure if you’re still reading comments on this video, Marc. But I just wanted to stop in and say thank you for an absolutely stellar customer service experience. I had an issue with a bracelet I ordered for my SKX013. I got an email back from you guys (Ryan) within 5 minutes with some things to try, and it sorted the issue right out. Can’t tell you how much I appreciate that! If you’re reading this comment, and you’re in the market for something that’s available through LIW, then don’t hesitate. They will take care of you 100%.
Hi Mark, I bought my 1st watch RAY II, That started me on this Amazing hobby of watch collecting. All thanks to U & TGV. I now Owen 22 watches. Sorry to tell u, I was just about to BUY ur toolkit today, however i could not justify paying $65 for the shipping, as kit is $44. I totally understand this has NOUT to do with u. Just letting u know. BIG FAN keep up the good work.😎🙏 EIRE.
I'm on the fence for the Orient triton (lite) RA-AC0K01B10B but the mediocre bracelet is holding me back, and apparently strapcode doesn't have one for it, thx for the video 👍
Orient , the most honest and criminally underrated brand out there. great video Marc . Thanks
Couldn't agree more!
Now that Seiko has significantly boosted its prices for introductory level watches and has widely publicized QC/alignment issues i would agree ... although I think you could throw citizen in there too.
@@karlsenula9495 what have Seiko publicly said about the alignment issues?
Agreed. What Seiko was
@@cwuziihe didn't say that seiko said anything.
Bought my Blue Mako II 3 years ago second hand for $90. It has been beaten up at work, swimming, diving, and actually lost it while cliff jumping once and was able to find it. It still keeps great time!
Thanks for sharing
That's a cool experience
All the Orient dials are very subtle. Under many circumstances, unless the light its hitting them right, they look almost black. And even when the light is hitting the dial, it usually just shows the color in a sunburst diagonal across the dial. The only time the entire watch dial pops is under almost direct sunlight, or jewelry store lighting, if you know what I mean. This is something to note, because most watch reviewers use bright, 2+ source lighting that really provides a lot of illumination and makes the colors seem more vivid than they really are in real life. It's not a negative, per se, just something to note. The flipside of this is that in real world conditions, the back is usually so dark that the polished edge indices on Orients pop like crazy, and create a ton of contrast, making them very readable watches from far away. I would even say these are some of the most easily readable watches I've ever seen.
Thanks for sharing.
No confusion here: when Epson fully took over Orient Watch Co., they started putting the word EPSON on the casebacks, fully ditched applied logos (I mean not the emblem but the text itself) and... changed the model numbering from (F|S|...)[model] to [RA/RN/RE/RK]-[model] scheme, where RA means non-Star made outside of Japan, RN means non-Star fully made in Japan, RE means a Star made outside of Japan, and RK means a Star fully made in Japan. That's why, for instance, older Tristars made outside Japan start with FAB, and newer ones start with RA-AB. Same for divers: older FAA/SAA vs. RA-AA for non-JDM and RN-AA for JDM.
These watches are a classic. Never out of style.
Love 'em! Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
Thanks for watching!
My first mec auto whatch was the rayII in blue. still have it, still works flawlessly and i still use it and love it.
Wearing my Ray Raven II as I watch this. I love my Orient Divers. The Triton I ordered from LIW several years ago is still in beautiful shape as well
I have two Kamasu's, the burgundy and black/gilt versions. Love them both. The only downsides are the bracelets and pressed clasps, as well as the very small crown. I swapped out the bracelet on the burgundy for the jubilee which you sell Mark, and replaced the awful rubber strap on the black for a much nicer sailcloth one. Awesome watches, fantastic value-for-money.
I agree, the crown on the Kamasu is too small.
I love the vintage Kamasu. I have the Pepsi Bezel version as shown in this video @9:03 I also want the one with the red dial. They look so cool when the light hits the dial.
I LOVE my red Kamasu. Awesome watch! great video.
I have a JDM version of the sea-green "vintage Kamasu" AA08 with English and Kanji days, and it's a fantastic watch, especially with a Strapcode Super-J (or another Strapcode if you prefer).
RN, not RA then?
I've had my JDM burgendy Kamasu for 3 years and I love it, keeps between 0 and +2 a day.
I feel much better now I can get replacement movements and stems, you can buy the F6922 as the S.epson YN56A,
The YN55A is just the date version.
They are much better than the nh35/36, the size dails and hands are interchangeable.
The YN55/6A are made in Japan in the orient factory but they are made for other manufacturers so have different rotor engraving so now you don't have to worry about servicing the movement, you can change it out and it costs less than a Nh35 movement.
If your bezel click spring ever breaks the SKX 120 click spring works just fine.
I recommend putting a drop of silicone oil in the bezel gap every now and then and a light coat on the crown threads and stem.
Also changing the orings every few years.
In my opinion Orient is the only big brand name that's worth the money.
The JDM models are better but not a whole lot, for me the kanji days just make it look great.
I don't mind the stock bracelet it's not that bad.
I wish orient would make 28,800bph movements and GMT movements.
8:14 Facts. Reason why I got it. It just looks good. Own the kamasu ii also but like the look of the Kano better.
So, I'm looking for dive watches for about a week and I'm almost sure I'd like to go for Orient. And today I'm thinking "I wonder if Marc has some input about Orient", and here it is 😂 thank you so much
mako 2 owner here with caveats: crown is too small to operate, bezel is very hard to grip and rotate. rattly bracelet. if you have moneey, go with the kamasu instead.
I went for the ray 2 back then because I loved the design. That was before the new kamasu with the faux vintage lume came out which would have been even cooler. :)
In fact i am wearing my ray right now
The blue sunburst is amazing ;D
Perfect timing.
@@susrev88 Thanks, that's good to know because I only have a Tissot Powermatic 80 and it has spoiled me, great full bracelet and a nice, substantial watch, but I'm really having a diver itch lately
@@Vetava I do love my ray but for most people the kamasu is probably the better choice, tbh i just liked the design of the ray the most, and i don't mind not having a saphire crystal. The ray is also cheaper of course (if that plays a part) and apparwntly back then there were some bezel insert and chapter ring alignment issues with the kamasu, but i don't know if that'sstill the case. So I just went for the ray :)
Either way honestly just go for the one where you like the disign the most because apart from that and the saphire crystal there's not much different.
I bought the Mako XL with the day pusher at release…I don’t miss the hand win, and have never needed hacking…it’s a fabulous watch in blue.
I got the Kamasu in green, fantastic watch. The green is really interesting, it's not like a pure green, but this super dark green that only really looks "green" when you get it under lighting. The crown for it is really tiny and hurts my fingers to operate, and I'm never quite sure if I've screwed it down all the way, but honestly that's the only weakness I've found with the watch so far on a day to day basis.
Yeah, I couldn't decide between the two and before I could, my wife bought me the red one for Valentines Day 2021. 🤣
Very deep green.
I love that version and have basketed one just now.
Am just trying to confirm it is the Kamasu, as the seller states its the Mako III.
And im not sure are they the same thing just with dual names?
The ref is RA-AA0004E
I love the orient watches, I have the orange ray II and so happy. Thanks for the video Marc. greetings from Chile 🇨🇱,south of the world 🖖.
My son bought me an Orient King Diver from Long Island Watch for Christmas. Its a watch that I had not considered and is very interesting and, of course, I love wearing it, especially, since he gave it to me. I have an inadvertent Orient watch collection growing and really appreciate the brand. I really feel like I'm wearing a quality watch with Orient and its certainly a great value brand.
I have that exact Kamasu model (the maroon one) on my wrist right now. Got it for 180 bucks, absolutely beautiful everyday watch!
Sweet!
I own the one on your wrist and have recently ordered another dif colour gold 2 tone…and I have wanted to buy a kanno for ages…horses for different courses I guess..either way I love orient watches
M Force are certified divers and at least one other I believe which the name escapes me at this moment.
The one Orient I obtained as a gift after talking about how I liked its looks with wife (she's a keeper) was the "Root Beer" limited series they had. For a "cheap" automatic watch it's running 9-10+ seconds (measured over a period of one month) a day. Couldn't be more happier with it except one thing - wish it had ar coating on sapphire. Besides that I love it on original leather or the rubber strap I picked up.
Thanks for watching!
Love my Mako USA II with white dial. One of my favs.
Great watch
First Orient diver I ever purchased was the Kanno, still the best looking diver from Orient to me just wish it came with a sapphire crystal
I got a raven 2 and a Neptune black and gold, love them! ❤️❤️ Neptune was my first Automatic watch.
Bought my first Orient Ray with black face & bezel back in 2015. Was so impressed with it, I bought another as a back-up. So nice not to have to mess with batteries or winding. Illumination--for my 74 year old eyes--is really, really good, even after hours in the dark. Have received many compliments. Best of all, for a watch like this, after 7 years of daily wear, accidental dunking and dropping, striking something hard, all for under $200, it is still working like a champ. And looks new!
Orient ray 2 or ray 1 ?
Did u service it ? And how is it accuracy after 7 years ?
@@servantofallah9425 I don't know about "Ray I" or Ray II." . At the time I purchased it, the listing on Amazon was simply "Ray." I'm assuming that it is a Ray I. Here is the model#: EM65008B I've now had it for 9 years, and the only issue is that it loses about one minute/month. Have never needed any service. A really fine quality automatic watch and a can't-beat-it price. I rate this watch right up with the Zodiac, Seiko, and Tag Heuer that I have also owned since 1966. I liked this Ray that I am wearing so much that I bought a second Orient watch--Ray II--that is still in the box and that will be the replacement when my current Ray finally stops working--if it ever does. Hope this is helpful.
in Brazil we have the orient poseidon, which is made here. I bought a limited edition all titanium, including the bracelet. It has a ceramic bezel and power reserve indicator. in addition to the titanium bracelet, it comes with two rubber straps, one blue and one black. there are two models: reference F49TT001 D1GX and reference YN8TT002 E1GX. Great watch!
Titanium could improve the watches by compensating the weight. It should not add much cost to production either. Orient should consider using titanium.
I have the same Makon II (Japanese) shown at the beginning of the video. I swapped out the bracelet for a brown leather strap. Love it!
I did exactly the same, didn't like the supplied bracelet
That Kanno. Pretty sweet, and just might be my first Orient.
I like the smaller numbers on the bezel and the numbers on the dial of the Mako 2.
In brazilian internal market Orient has other dive models, manufactured in local plant in Manaus. Some are solar powered (Solartech line and model MPSS2002G1PX), but also have some automatics. Current automatics/mechanicals models are:
YN8TT002 - 300m, 46mm titanium case, saphire glass, green dial, special edition with 500 limited units, date, power reserve indicator
469SS073 - 500m, 48mm case, mineral glass, blue/black dial models, day/date "Netuno"
F49SS014 - 300m, 42mm case, blue/black/orange dial models, mineral glass, day/date "New Poseison"
F49TT001 - 300m 47mm case, blue dial, titanium case, mineral glass, day date "Poseidon"
Orient Brasil has many others old models and also actual versions with only 100m resistence but with dive design (rotation bezel, etc)
I bought two Mako USA 2 from Marc un 2019: a blue dial for my dad and black dial for me. Awesome watches for the buck. Thanks Marc for this refresher
I have the red Kamasu, it's absolutely stunning especially in the sun.
I have the original triton/neptune in black with the power reserve, been my daily for over 2 years now, love it. Runs a little slow but nothing a quick reset every few weeks can't fix, its an automatic for $300 (at the time) what can you expect? Not an attention drawer by any means, but a great subtle everyday diver.
Great watch!
They're a bit chunky but they don't wear that way
Thanks for showing us all the models in one place so we can truly compare them for size and style 😃👍! Even Orient’s more expensive models give you a lot of “bang for your buck” when you realize they are completely “in house” produced.
I’d love to see them bring out a model that was ISO certified but smaller than the Orient Star Diver, if for no other reason than the vibration and shock resistance standards. (If you look at the instructions that come with the Orient divers they specifically say to avoid wearing while riding a motorcycle 🙁!)
Thanks for watching and commenting.
No riding? I can understand no shooting, cause of the shock. I routinely wear my SKX and Islander Monster on the bike, never had issue with them. That Kamasu is looking fine, might have to rethink .
I didn't know about the motorcycle restriction (!?).
Rolex sub ,the panerai submer, omega, all not iso cert.... to me its over hyped up bulwark, unless it's a lesser proved brand or something that would warrant it
I have an Orient ref. F49TT001 "Neptune" limited to 1000 units, fantastic diver watch. 100% titanium, up to 300m deep and fastastic looking. The mineral cristal glass is the low point.
I own the Kamasu 200 meters WR Saphire Crystal. Love it. BTW I own 3 Islander watches and they are some of my favorite.
Thank you for the great video! Thanks to you i got to choose my first dive watch, which is a Ray 2. A killer watch to have have after my first one ever which was a Seiko SNKE51.
Yes, the Mako USA II is still for sale on the Orient USA website. Currently on sale for $324. They also still sell the Mako XL with the day pusher. Although, they are all listed as “sold out”. 🙁
Got mine with a white dial on Black Friday a few years ago for $199. Love the watch. Keeps excellent time. The tiny crown is my only complaint, and even that I forgive because the watch is great otherwise
I have the Mako XL in the same colors. The metal bracelet and everything... I absolutely love it. I was looking for a diver with a larger dial on a budget and I also wanted the automatic movement. So, I decided on it a few years ago.
There was also one in a green dial but the blue just looks very luxurious in person. Only thing I'd would add would be a sapphire glass upgrade. That's all.
I wear my blue mako xl all the time, it's been maybe 7-8 years and it's still rocks. It feels bigger now but amazing value.
True!
have a Mako with a blue dial with a separate date changer - not seen in this video. 10 years old and still runs perfectly. Had to replace the bracelet because it broke. Apart from that, a faultless watch that still looks and runs fantastic. The blue dial is wonderful when the light hits it, otherwise it looks black. Highly recommended...great video by the way.
I purchased an Orient Nami with the black carbon fiber style dial a few years ago. It's a terrific diver, but wasn't a particularly popular model.
Currently have three orient divers, black ray 2, red kamasu 1, and the new Pepsi kamasu, absolutely love all of them
I had a big budget for a dive watch but for now I decided to go with the kamasu. You just can’t beat orient they check all the boxes. I was picky since I wanted day and date and most divers had just date on a random spot like between 4&5 or on top of 6 o’clock. And I wanted a sunburst dial. I didn’t want another orient but here we are 😂
Just bought the 2022 Orient Kamasu with gradient red bezel, dial, and the vintage lume. Just a bit sportier, and a cleaner/less busy bezel for my taste, and the 2022 has a brushed case finish on the sides now to match the band.
Can't wait!
The Black Ray, Red Kamasu and the latest green Triton make up my Orient ‘Divers’. I love Orient but I’ve been ignoring them a little lately for more expensive watches in my collection, watching this has just made me put one on again. I love that Kano but the switch back to mineral glass puts me off a little.
I enjoy my Neptune, but it's a bit on the heavy side and the bracelet a bit on the light side, so one of Marc's bracelets helped balance things out! It kept excellent time at first; but after a few motorcycle rides, it ran slow. Sent it back to Orient repair center in LA and they never opened it, returning it with a timegrapher print out stating -4s/day...very different from my jeweler's Witschi and it still loses 45 secs/day just like before I sent it to them. Expected more from that 40N5A movement. As often as I have to reset the time, I wish the crown was a little less slippery. It was my first non-Swiss watch and now I'm afraid to try any non-quartz Japanese watch. That said, I love the power meter and it's built like a tank and probably deserves the JIS diver certification. I found mine on clearance for under $300, so it's a terrific value; however, some find the slimmer versions infinitely more wearable.
I have a gen 1 Raven and it's still going strong. The lume barely lasts now but for the few seconds it's charged it's bright as hell.
I have the red Kamsu. It’s amazing, the red is darker than you’d expect and almost black. My only complaint is the signature in the crowd just vanished after a few uses. It’s obviously not etched or it’s VERY shallow
I owned the triton, orient star diver, orient star classic an sun an moon version 5. Miss them all.. I only own the kamasu limited edition now. If i could have only one watch out of the list.. Id take the triton in blue dial. To me that watch was so special. One of a kind. Highly buil, Beaitiful, just perfect..... Ive only owned orient watches since i got into watches 2 years ago. Wish i had my 5 watch orient collection still....
I love my Orient Neptune/Triton. It was the first "expensive" watch I bought for myself.
Great watch!
I've worn my red Kamasu for about three years now. And honestly I have only one complaint about it. The bezel insert. It is positioned slightly higher than the crystal, this kind of protects the sapphire crystal but... It is a painted aluminium insert. It is like protecting an anvil by covering it in humming birds. After three years the crystal is, as one may expect from sapphire crystal, pristine. The bezel insert however looks like it's been through the war, or several wars in fact. As far as I know there are no aftermarket ceramic inserts for this bezel, which is a shame really. Now, Long Island Watch have two replacement bezels, one has a coin edge and the other is more true to the original (I am still deep within the process of trying to decide which one to get) but neither of them feature the gentle slope the original has. And I really liked that in the overall design, it makes the watch look less bulky and, with the right shirt, it makes it a tiny bit easier to slide it under the sleeve.
But the current state of the bezel insert kind of screams for replacement and even though I don't really fancy the flat bezel insert, it will definitely improve the overall looks of the watch. So there you go, it's not like being caught between a rock and a hard place but I guess that's just life, I can't expect a perfect one between the choices offered. It's gonna be pretty expensive though because of shipping and customs for American products here in Europe but hey....it was a gift from my mom and I will cherish and, when necessary, invest in it for the rest of my life. And the maroon or burgundy or red dial, depending on the light, is just 😍! And it'a strap magnet, almost anything you throw at it just sticks. I absolutely love this watch.
You can buy a new bezel - it comes with a watch 😂
Great run through and break down of the Orient divers! I have what you refer to as the Mako XL with the luminescent dial and it's my favorite every day watch! I do like the new Trident with the offset crown.
Thanks John.
Love your videos Mark, but honestly I came away from this more confused then I was before.
Agreed...but, the variables seem to be size, day/date or just date, crown location, crystal composition and straps. Keeping all of that straight, especially since Orient sounds like they are dropping the use of model names...is the confusing part.
i love my red-dialed kano. i replaced the mineral crystal with a double-domed sapphire crystal, and MAN does it pop!
Great vid. Orient seem to get overshadowed a bit and I don't know why. Their watches are fantastic. The Triton with the power reserve is a favourite for me. Thanks.
I got the Mako USA II, can’t say enough good things about it! It’s interesting what you said about them dropping the names because when I ordered my watch straight from Orient it was listed as “Mako USA II” but now it’s just a reference number.
2 kamasu (red and blue) a Ray raven 2 and a black mako 2 myself. Really stellar watches
Owned the Mako 2, mako 3 and mini neptune. Currently own the mako 3 and its great, it did have a click spring failure (went to 60 click) but that was a 6 dollar fix i could do at home. The mako 2 and mini neptune were great,and all orients i owned were very accurate (1-15 seconds off depending on your luck) Great brand, its everything seiko used to be
Love Orient, thank you.
I'll second the comment about accuracy. I've got five Orients and they all run within 10/15 seconds after years. Much better than my Seikos
@@mahabir_navin Yeah also have bad experience with seikos. Got one that ran 2 minutes fast, had to wait 8 weeks to get it serviced. horrible
Thanks for the reference and the green kamasu, Marc. Love it.
You bet!
First of all Mark is to thank you for this new thread.
I love Orient, such an authentic horology for this price amount... is pure love.
Perhaps, I can not afford a necesary amount of money to get the Omega Seamaster, a Glashütte Original, or a Glycine Combat-Sub... it doesn't matter to me, because with Orient's catalogue of divers they provide happiness and well known products. A good products with history and prestige, for these amounts of money, is just heroical!.
Love you Orient!!
Saludos!!
i have 2 orients at the moment : a gen 2 mako and an open heart + small seconds. i've got another one incoming: a gen 1 ray raven . can't beat the quality of this brand.
Not only do you get a sapphire bezel on the Kamasu, but you get a stunning, cohesive style that just gets better with time. Add a Strapcode bracelet and you have the ultimate affordable daily...
Thanks!
This is such a great idea, I have been confused by the Orient line up for a long time!
I'm so glad!
I enjoy my Ray II. The blue dial is GORGEOUS. My only complaint I have is the crown can be rather difficult to manipulate and push back in. Otherwise, solid watch.
Interesting, thank you
Comparatively, I do have an ISL-02 and the crown manipulates like butter. Very happy with my watch, Marc.
Brilliant 👏 👏 👏 👏 always great to hear your thorough briefings. Especially since it relates to Orient
Thanks for this breakdown Marc, super helpful!
Great 👍🏼
The black kano is beautiful! I'll pull the trigger! 😍
I wasn't aware of the "vintage" Kamasu... looks good! I had one of those original tritons in black/gilt... kinda regret selling it...
I really like the neptune with the 4 o'clock crown & power reserve indicator but they are discontinued and on ebay for stupid money, I have a few divers now & won't get another one unless it has a power reserve indicator,
Orient just announced a third generation of Kamasus that feature a dial with arabic numbers. It comes in 4 different colours. My favourite is the one with a charcoal grey dial.
Great video Marc, very insightful as always🤙🏼
Appreciate it!
Thanks for another great review. Orient Mako III (black version with black rubber strap) was My first automatic watch and I liked it from the very first moment. It looks astonishing, especially when i'm wearing a black t-shirt. Believe it or not, I bought it a week ago for less than 150$ (629 PLN) in one of the Polish online stores, so the factor value to money is unbeatable and possibly out of range of any competition.
Hope to be a guest on The Urban Gentry channel soon. It's great to watch you guys. Maybe this time you will talk about less typical watches - e.g. one-hand or 24-hour watches?
Thanks for the idea!
WOW, great deal. Is there a bracelet for it?
@@tamerdawud6930 My version is with a rubber strap, but they offer version with bracelet, but it's a bit more expensive - around 183$ (based on actual current rate PLN/USD).
@@maciejpodwysocki I appreciate your response, can give a link to the website?
I would LOVE to see Orient make their Fliegers in 38 mm. Great watches, and the F6922 is THE best affordable-range caliber out there, end of discussion. 😀👍🏻
This was a great video and damn you Marc... Now I want an Orient collection...
Will always be a fan of the USA2, and the Kamasu!
I really want the one with the bronze case. I’d love to get my hands on any orient diver that’ll get a nice patina over time.
Its not a full bronze case. Its bronze plated. Thats what i dont like. I own the watch. Wear it everyday. Its a great orient watch. Beautiful dial .... I wish orient made this a full bronze case being its limited edition. They made the same watch stainless..
Ordered the Orient Kamasu this week. I should get it next week. I'm glad you made the video today so I can watch it and have great anticipation for next week. I can't wait to get it. I have the green Bezel. Please advise a strap recommendation. Thanks.
So glad you made this! Very helpful!
Great list Marc. I have the orange bezel Mako XL, one of my favourite watches, great timekeeping, suits the bigger wrist very well, the hands are really spectacularly finished, though the lume can get through a night, it's not as bright as the modern day Orients. The bezel action is one of the best there is. They're still available though some like my orange one are getting a bit harder to find.
They re-released the Mako USA II a couple months ago and the white sold out in the first day. I'm glad I got mine when they were first introduced. But the others are still available now. It's the best watch ever for the price. I thought about getting a blue one, but I have a blue Kanno and it is really quite attractive
I have it in blue but I’d like a white dial too, you are correct about them being the best at that price, I definitely can’t think of anything better at that price.
How did you find out about the release of the Mako USA II? I would love a white dial if they are released again.
I really like the new Orient Kamasu, especially the grey dial. I may just get one.
I just picked up a nearly perfect Lume face Mako XL (my first Orient) on eBay for $100 a couple of weeks ago and then found a Mako II Pepsi with a modded solid end link jubilee bracelet and made a $100 offer that was accepted. The Pepsi has a few nicks in the case and I did a light restoration on the brushed areas on the bracelet but they both keep nearly perfect time and are around +5 seconds a week. I put the XL on a black gator leather strap with Breitling deployant clasp and am planning on upgrading the crystals on both to sapphire and doing a new sub-style bezel and a lumed sapphire Pepsi insert but honestly, I love them just the way they are and can’t stop looking at my wrist when I wear either one of them. I am thinning out some of my other watches to make room in the winder for at least 2 more Orients that I have my eye on. I wish I had discovered Orient years ago.
I have a Orient Black Ray 2 on a James Bond NATO strap and it is a excellent watch and it has been mistaken for a Rolex on more than one occasion.
Awesome!
I own a seamster and it's great.
The orient for the money is my favorite watch. It's taken a beaten, accidentally got the movement wet and it's still going strong 10 years later. Pins on bracelet are only complaint.
I bought youy FIELD WATCH!!! WHAT A BUY!!! IT BURIES HAMILTON. Excellent product!
Wrong video
Kamasu is amazing, just wish the bracelet was more articulating. Very accurate too, I barely have to adjust it for a month.
Since I got my Strapcode bracelet, I've worn it enough to never have to wind it. That's been over two months. It's gained 2 seconds in 2 months!
Agreed. I replaced the bracelet with an oyster style bracelet from Strapcode. Brings it up to a whole new level! They also sell a Jubilee style bracelet for these. 👍
@@arielargo yeah love it. Not a fan of jubillees as they feel too blingy. The Strapcode oyster has a male endlink which isnt ideal. Im glad you like them! Ive tried it on a mesh as well and its a good match.
We will make one.
@@salam-s9y yeah, the male end link makes it a more difficult wear for the smaller wrists. On my wrist it looks great.
Very informative , thanks .
Now I’m the market for a red Kamazu .
Great prices, in house movements all sounds great. The only problem i have with orient is their warranty support and repairs for Canada. Heard its a nightmare to deal with.
Yes, it's something to think about, in İstanbul where I'm based at the moment, the Orient service center is 10 minutes away from our apartment! However, I have 4 Orients, oldest one for 5 years now and never had to have one repaired. They're extremely reliable so if you can get one at a good price, I wouldn't worry about it too much. 🙂
Thank you!! This is much needed out there!
Glad it was helpful!
I've always wondered this. Thanks George!
Who's George?
@@islandwatch the guy who emailed you
Your channel is a great example of how to run a business.
Great video Marc! I have the pepsi Kamasu, love it so much. Could you also make the Citizen promaster version for next video? I'd love to know all dive watches from Citizen.
Kamasu II vintage diver in black is a banger. I have watches at 10x the price and more but I still love my Orients.
Great concept and video, Marc! I’ll be keeping my fingers crossed for that white USA 2 to come back, mad at myself for not getting one from you when I had the chance. Great looking watch.
The USA 2 came back out a couple months ago. I know the white sold out within hours cause it was a limited release I think if either 100 or 300 that rings a bell but I believe that they might still have the blue dial and black dial available on their site.
Thanks.
Yes, my white Orient Mako USA 2 is still my favorite and was a great deal at $200 on sale from Marc back in the day. From what I remember they sold out within hours at that price. I customized my watch with a coin edge bezel and a black luminous insert.
@@douglasbollinger8678 I missed the sale on Marc’s site but found the white dial at Orient for the same $199. Black Friday. It’s one of my favorite watches, and now has some scars on the bezel from how much I use it
As you've noted before, Marc, when the pusher was deleted for the Gen. 2 version Mako, all the sudden (as we say in S. Jersey), folks were saying, "Hey! What happened to the pusher?! I want that cool pusher feature!" And of course, on that auction site Orient sales reflected that revived interest. Go figure, right? My biggest "d'oh!" was when I let it slide when you had that Orient USA II in white for $199. And then they were gone...
They all hate the pusher till its gone!
Not sure if you’re still reading comments on this video, Marc. But I just wanted to stop in and say thank you for an absolutely stellar customer service experience. I had an issue with a bracelet I ordered for my SKX013. I got an email back from you guys (Ryan) within 5 minutes with some things to try, and it sorted the issue right out. Can’t tell you how much I appreciate that! If you’re reading this comment, and you’re in the market for something that’s available through LIW, then don’t hesitate. They will take care of you 100%.
Hi Mark, I bought my 1st watch RAY II, That started me on this Amazing hobby of watch collecting. All thanks to U & TGV. I now Owen 22 watches. Sorry to tell u, I was just about to BUY ur toolkit today, however i could not justify paying $65 for the shipping, as kit is $44. I totally understand this has NOUT to do with u. Just letting u know. BIG FAN keep up the good work.😎🙏 EIRE.
Understood!
Orient is a great value, I mostly ware my black dial USA Mako 2, wish I had a white dial Mako 2.
I'm on the fence for the Orient triton (lite) RA-AC0K01B10B but the mediocre bracelet is holding me back, and apparently strapcode doesn't have one for it, thx for the video 👍