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EDIT: The major disagreement in this video seems to be regarding the Spiny Shell. To more clearly illustrate my point of the Spiny Shell, watch Mark Brown's video on Feedback Loops (successes being rewarded with more success, or more challenge?)
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Three things you lovely viewers should know;
One, I adore both Wii and 8, but what sparked me to make this video is people saying that Wii is a poorly made failure of a Mario Kart game. As such, I had to take an antagonistic approach against 8 for this video, which is why it sounds like I despise 8 and Wii is my life, which is not true. This is merely an effective way to combat MKWii haters, I can do the opposite if I really tried.
Two, lots of my points are directed at Mario Kart 8, not Deluxe (when referring to small things like the battle system and character roster for example).
Three, don't take this video incredibly seriously, my initial motivation to make this video was someone saying that MKWii was a bad game and MK8 is the only worthwhile MK game, especially in comparison to Wii. This is a video meant to clarify many reasons why the games are much more even and comparable than that individual believes. I still religiously play both games.
With all that out of the way, I hope you kind people are able to understand what I am saying. I'd be happy to know what you guys think in the comment section below, and I'd appreciate it if we talked like civilized people (unlike me in my script ;P). We're still friends, right? ;D
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SO! I have a lot to say about this video that I want anyone who has watched it to know. This video holds opinions that I still hold today, but of course I agree that I didn't convey my points well at all. A year and a half ago I was much less proficient in debating points. The main thing I want you all to know is that this video was intended for an audience of 100, with my (at the time) 1,000 subscribers. Not...400,000? Comments on the quality of this video are well-founded and justified, but you guys need to keep in mind that this video was not intended as a professional video. My quality has upped since mid 2017, however, and you guys should check out my recent content to see what I actually intend to make for bigger audiences. Live Plays, Livestream Archives and Life of Screens (Jeez, I see a trend in these names) are all worth your time!
(And YES, my mic is different now from back in mid 2017 XD)
:)
You have no life
Not...400,000? -Sky Spyer 2019
Juan Perez ;(
Same
I'm just doing my job.
Thank you lakitu, very cool.
@@robpowers3304 Yes, yes it is.
Do you ever get tired or annoyed from picking up players?
Oh hi lakitu!
"Lakitu... is slackituing."
-Vinny 2014
This review could have been passable
just by saying Funky Kong is in Wii and not in 8
Ikr
Fukin funky kong
Lol Funky is even in the thumbnail XD
Lol
Read the pin comment
Mk8: looks good
Mkw: feels good
8 has better gameplay for a newer player, but wii relies so much more on how you play not just what items you get. I have played both games extensively and I feel like you should too before jumping to conclusions. (If you already have then that’s great, wii isn’t for everyone, you can have your own opinions I just feel like the other side deserves a fair chance)
other than that they're both great games its a matter of opinion about wich one the others prefer is MKw better than Mk8? or vice versa? theres no right or wrong answer they're equally good. wich one is better you ask? depends on wich one you like best
Eduardo Xenofonte Wii is sooooooooooooooo much more competitive than 8 and always will be!
Pen MKT does not feel good
@@SuperJGGaming mk was never competitive
Funky kong looks like my uncle that gets drunk at every gathering
Do we have the same Uncle?
Bro u good?
@@Mooneron Yes
Funky uncle
funkle
1. You can’t Wheelie
I miss them
Gg
Wall clip patch
I still play MK wii it is a lot better
@JtheSamurai iiiI know how to fix it if its not super severely scratched!!!
mario kart 8:
mario kart wii: coconut mall
Mario Kart 8: Super Bell Subway
Mario Kart Wii: Coconut mall
Mute City on 200cc is a great time.
Mario kart 8:mount wario, big blue, electrodrome, sunshine airport, super bell subway
And retro tracks:tick tock clock, baby part, music park/melody motorway, piranha plant slide/pipeway
Coconut mall was the best map yo
mario kart wii: wario'd gold mine, grumble volcano, coconut mall, moonview highway and DK summit, also a balanced item-box not like in 8 (a shell is really good at 1st place, NOT AT 7th PLACE)
One of my nit picks for Mario kart 8 is that you start with all the characters unlocked, it makes the game loose a sense of progression
ikr?!?!
i like unlocking stuff on mkwii. gives me something to laugh about when i unlock the stupid quacker cause its so pathetic, cry about because its taken me like 6 months to unlock some stuff, throw a temper tantrum because some of that stuff still isnt unlocked... yeah. its fun to have something to look forward to and (eventually after about 100 years) to feel successful (i dunno, is that the word im thinking of?) 😂
@@andreacrumlish9976 stupid quacker lol it is stupid. only good for glitching on mushroom gorge... which i cant do... sigh 😭
@@kwamismasksandmiraculousta4118 cant do it either... sigh 😭😭😭
The characters in MKw are quite hard to unlock, at least some of them, I'm playing the game rn and actually having fun, who needs 8 when you have a wii
I know antigravity in Mario kart 8 doesn't change the gameplay a lot, but it allows for fantastic course design. Tracks that use it well such as Electrodrome or the F Zero Tracks (Mute City and Big Blue) are easily some of the best courses in Mario Kart history.
And big blue is fundamentally broken, with mkwii type shortcuts
1/48 tracks have an epic shortcut in 8..... poor
@@ihateshoes4906 rainbow road has a bit where you can drive off the course and land on another bit
Tea 2/48 then
Henry Spencer there are many 200 cc shortcuts that are cool, but I still like mkwii better because of its active community
Mk 8: i have anti gravity, guest characters and smart drift
Mk wii: we have a funky kong
subtle avengers reference i see u
There’s a clear winner here
Funky Kong? I think you mean god.
"Smart drift? You mean the not-play-the-game option?"
martin morales zarate I know... I want funky Kong back.
Wait. People didn't like MK Wii? I loved that game
Everyone I know likes it better. I don't know who dislikes it.
People didn't dislike MK Wii people just thought MK8 was better
I like mario kart wii
@@steelwhale7853 fuck them
Those people do not exist to me
I’ve never seen someone praise the thundercloud.
yea, when I heard that I was like "speak for yourself, dude".
It hurts me emotionally
It's an extremely clever item. It just didn't work well online. The hot potato theme of it made it really fun and chaotic in offline.
@@rh8415 his right tho thunder cloud is great
@@louisrogeau1992 wanna know what's even better?
Mega thundercloud
“Wii added online” actually MKDS did that
Edit: I am not thanking for the likes but I am shocked of many likes I have it’s been what 3 months and I am still getting replies and likes on my 2 comments. Stop, ok?
He didnt say it was the first Mario kart game to introduce online play
He just said it had a good online play
if you liked it you can play Wiimmfi
Him with 30 comments:
It's literally 30 likes and 5 comments, stop acting like it's a fuck ton more
I miss seeing the Miis everywhere in Mario Kart Wii, sometimes they'd be on billboards and signs, or just other Miis you've created spectating
Me too. I remember laughing when I found out that my sister replaced the statue of Luigi in Luigi's Circuit.
They should have a mod in MKWII where you can have the miis you created as CPU’s
Charles Randolph in koopa cape the sign would turn into a mii
I miss the mii’s so much. I already have a switch but now I’m considering to buy a Wii u too just so I can continue to enjoy all those great mii games
I've got like, forty miis on my switch, but they don't do anything because there's no Wii Party-esque game to use them.
The most important thing is
*The Soundtrack. The soundtrack is amazing.*
For both games.
@@TheChefBoo yeah, but Wii was more legendary than 8 in my opinion simply because 8 uses to much Jazz
@@PownicMania5000 i love MKWii's soundtrack, all of it. But I love jazz music. So, I also love 8.
@@TheChefBoo well I love 8's soundtrack too, and I love jazz, but too much of it doesn't work
Koopa Cape song is legendary
“Does Mario Kart 8 have that?”
“NoOoO!”
The punch line throughout the video
XD
His entire argument is “Mario kart 8 doesn’t have this, doesn’t have that” he should come to the conclusion that both of these games are fantastic and make up for each other’s flaws.
So we're just not gonna talk about how ds actually removed the yoshi circuit shortcut but then mk 8 also kept the non short cut version
@Wylie Farquhar Then explain why it was the first Mario Kart game to include retros.
@@Alphie_ Super Circuit was.
@@quibquiberton4184 I feel like there's a distinction; I feel that having all of the courses from a single past Mario Kart isn't really the same as "retros", which are a collection of courses from previous Mario Kart games, in a plural sense.
At least CTGP-R had the shortcut
@@quibquiberton4184 at least mkds remade courses that were not all from SNES
Does no-one complain about how instead of a survival game, balloon battle is now 'Get more balloons than more people'
Yes. MK8 ruined battle mode. I hate being a ghost after losing all my balloons.
And every single other mk game has coin battle (i think, correct me if I am wrong :D)
@@Emoticono13 mk8dx got fucking good battle mode
I prefer the survival rule set, as the "you lose half your point when you run out of balloons" completely defeats the purpose of said balloons, you could just remove the balloons completely and nothing would be different
If you want a good battle mode, neither of these games are the correct pick. 64 and double dash have way better battle modes.
@@Tom-jw7ii And Ds
Mkwii has funky kong
Thats the biggest reason
Funky Kong is fucking terrible.
@@charKT-7461 retract your words
@@charKT-7461 said the mk8 player
@@---sc3yh Yeah. I'm the MK8 player. I don't play MKWii because I generally don't like it.
@@charKT-7461 u should try it out (but mk8 isnt bad by any means)
Now I agree with him on everything, EXCEPT for the thundercloud being GOOD.
I think the TC would be good if it wasn't the only "negative" item. I like the idea of a previous comment I saw that suggested more "negative" items should be added. That way, picking up an item box is seen as a risk and not a necessity. That way instead of being like, "Oh shoot, I missed the box, I'm doomed," it's, "Do I get a box and possibly end up with a Poison Mushroom (idk what it would do, but it would be something negative), or do I play it safe and miss out on a possible star?" Another layer of strategy added to the game.
I think it would be good for little kids trying to murder their families on the racetrack. Kindof a curse online later in that race. And then Mega TCs, ah wonderful.
What do you mean?! The Thundercloud was an awesome addition! It momentarily creates a hectic game of hot potato between the racers that now gives you the priority of hitting someone else, rather than just go faster. Sometimes it's actually better to slow down and rejoin the pack to increase your chances of passing it on, and even if you dislike being shocked, you can't deny the cloud ups the stakes 10-fold WHILE offering a speed boost. I think it was an amazing power-up that forces you to strategize, like the Blue Shell and POW Block do. Fire flowers, Tanooki tails, and "Crazy Eights" require no strategy whatsoever. Don't even get me started on the abomination that is the Super Horn! People who dislike the Thundercloud are the same people who complain about items in Smash. They are trying to play the game unlike how it was intended. They don't get the gist. Mario Kart is not supposed to be completely fair! It's supposed to be random, crazy, wild, and hectic! This was established since the very first entry. Wii's more prolific use of items makes the game more fun, challenging, and true to the series's nature if you ask me.
@@calebdonaldson8770 The thundercloud is a mess....making you rejoin the pack? That's just defeating the purpose of racing itself, thank god it was removed. The super horn still has strategy and is a great item. There is such a thing as too much chaos though.
@@jaydenc367 Nah, man! It's the blue shell & thundercloud that upset the status quo. Their purpose is to catch the player off-guard, forcing them to strategize at a moment's notice. This is Mario Kart! At no point should the player be comfortable with their position! If you want to be the best, you have to learn how to take an unexpected hit, stay focused, and work your way back up the pack. I despise the super horn with all my heart. It destroys this entire notion. It pampers those afraid of change and forces players at the top into stagnation and boredom. MKWii had plenty of overpowered, god-like items, so it makes sense that the game implemented a few of the opposite to spice things up. Sometimes the items were your best friend and saving grace, and other times they were a complete jackass and your worst nightmare. That's how a good roster should be! I appreciate the guts MKWii had to liven up the gameplay of this series. MK8 plays it WAY too safe with lazy crazy eights and coins for no apparent reason. You wanna rethink that idea of yours?
Mk 8: 60$ DLC
Mkwii: CTGP
MK8DX: pay for what you get.
Ctgp U: cries in the corner
Mario Kart Wii just feels better to me, (probably Nostalgia) but I had way more fun playing Wii
I doubt you’re old enough to have nostalgia for this game yet
Truest Chad stfu
@@wienerschnitzel1739 stfu
@@wienerschnitzel1739 I'm 13 and I'm nostalgic for games I played when I was younger. So please shut up.
Imagine being attacked by a hoard of “13 year olds” with cringy Minecraft profile pics
Why is there so many turtles
vsco girl : i-
I hate when people say I- SPEAK THE FUCK UP!
@@punjabiman6973 preach dude
Sefru / They’re always like “I-.” Like we get it, you’re not a functioning member of society.
@@ajgerbi i-
I don't understand why people call it the "spiny shell." The red shell is called the red shell because it's red. Same with the green. The defining factor of the blue shell is it's spines, but all other shells are defined by it's color, so it's blue shell, not spiny shell
Is cald the spiny shell because the green and red ... are only shell with notign more
Are you implying that "Spiny Shell" is the commonly used name? Because I pretty much only ever hear people call it the "Blue Shell".
I personally call it the "Spiny Shell" because:
1. "Spiny Shell" is the official name. It's been referred to as the "Spiny Shell" by official text ever since it's first appearance back in Mario Kart 64
2. It has spines that the other shells don't. You argue that it should be called "Blue Shell" because the other shells are defined by their colour and not their defining features. The thing is, the Red Shells and Green Shells don't really have any defining features besides their colour, whereas the Spiny Shell has it's spines. You said it yourself: "The defining factor of the blue shell is it's spines"
At the end of the day though, it doesn't really matter which name you call it, both work just as well.
@@dreamlanderjoel8162 most of my friends call it the blue shell. Just my pet peeve
@@Qenwolf would it also be called the flying shell, the target shell, or the exploding shell tho?
@@helx9965 You're rignt and i hate it
“You know what else that mario kart wii has? A battle mode”
Me: You know what mario kart 8 deluxe has now? A battle mode
With more gamemodes
@@destroyerthepro1101 yes
Mario kart 8 deluxe is not even a challenge, you literally have all the characters
I mean except for gold Mario
You forgot the fact that in the wii version you can't damage teammates with shells and bananas which makes at least some sense
Yeah.
Tru
I kinda like it better that way, it forces you to pay attention instead of randomly throwing your shell when there's a guy in front of you.
Leon_ Gamer_2807 and the fun (ultra) shortcuts
And the NPCs on your team don't try their best to take you down.
My opinion, no Mario kart can touch Double dash or Wii in terms of best
Extremely correct opinion
Why do I see you everywhere?
Id say 7 is a contender but i agree that wii and double dash are the two best on console
Daniel L 7 is probably 3rd best
@@Rickby Hey Rigby wanna play punchies
Mk8 has more characters, MUCH MORE VECHLE OPTIONS and features, high quality/graphics, more races, cups and items, and purple drift bars
Mkwii has inside drift, tournaments, battle mode, custom maps, wheelies, and Funky Kong
I feel like the physics in Mario Kart Wii were so much better. Like how you fly up when you get blown up.
I miss DS challenges
Same!
Sqwivig man missions were the shit. The fact I haven't seen them officially in a Mario kart since (I'm not certain, they could be back in one but I haven't seen em) DS is a bit of a letdown...
my nigga
skittle vevo they were planned in wii
yes you can play challenges on wii but only a few and it requires a cheat code thing
I loved the physics of Mario kart Wii. And I loved the short cuts, the ultra short cuts. And the custom tracks! Loved that!
mad agree with you bro, the physics in 8 just feel off and sluggish in comparison.
I never played custom tracks. Sounds fun though. :(
@@cactoos9793 yo custom tracks was so much fun bro! U missed out. U can still play it all on cttgp or whatever that app is called. U can get it on your Wii or Wii U.
@@5olace sorry if I did. I was not in the internet much when I was little. Stayed away from hacking coding stuff I guess.
Johann Orozco the weight in kart 8 means nothing but kart wii( Rest In Peace light weights)
never in my life have I seen a guy defend the thunder cloud. L opinion.
i was about to comment about how this video feels like it was made with rage and you were literally just choosing bad things from mario kart 8, but then at the end of the video you said that you love both games. i would have put that at the beginning lol
he said it at the beginning
Imbecile he said that right at the start of the video.
@@nomado.3855 that is true, i just didnt notice it. also someone said the same thing 5 months ago so you dont need to repeat it
Wii is better cuz it has mushroom gorge
No clue Ink and koopa cape
Mushroom Gorge is my favorite MK track of all time. Beautiful, colorful, bouncy, and super fun! Best track ever. Soundtrack is out of this world.
ds is better cuz it has challenge mode
Don't forget Coconut Mall
Meta Star Facts
Mario kart DS also removed the shortcut in Yoshi circuit
that was a hardware issue
While that’s true, I’d say that there wouldn’t have been a point in saying that
Alejandro Guerrero wait what nooooooo I never noticed
Because of the course being so big and limitations
BE QUIET IT HAS CHALLENGE MODE ITS STILL BETTER
The one thing that annoys me about the character selection is they removed Diddy Kong. He was my favorite
It's why I've been waiting for Mario Kart 9 and all we get is the Booster Course Pass for Mario Kart 8 Deluxe.
Surprised you didn’t mention unlockables.
Wii had a bunch of wonderful characters to unlock and you had to do very specific things to get them. 8 just has you get coins and more coins just to be rewarded with some red tires..
Ohhh yeahhhh.....
Great you mentioned! :)
IMO getting he tired and carts unlocked with coins is useful for creating your own useful combination either different assets karts have but it would have even funner to earn them by doing specific challenges.
Xgamesvideos Officiele kanaal thank you!
Drew Devlin oh I have no problem with unlocking the karts and tires. I like to customize too. But I really don’t like that those are the ONLY unlockables. Lol I wanna be able to unlock characters and different Grand Prix’s. I remember way back when having my mind completely blown by unlocking the mirror class. Now it’s just there from the beginning. And yeah exactly. Regarding doing different challenges for unlockables.
Why it's better: you can actually fall off
you can in mk8dx too, but wii is better for many reasons
@@AS-cs9gi no you can't
@The Gamer Kid you fall but you never really touch the ground so it's not a real fall
@@sca___lnp929 yes you can
@@nezbitnezbit5397 did you even read my comments?
MKW: I know i keep COMING back to this video but we all know how fun it was for people with at least half a brain to slow down in front of the player in 12th place and use the bullet bill in front of them or use the star to home on some person using a mii or luigi and home in on them with a star......
in my opinion, spiny shells sliding on the ground was actually more useful than the older ones, since the person using it generally isnt gonna get any benefit from it otherwise...
that being said, i agree with about everything else here... (except the super horn... i mean, yeah, the mushroom thing requires skill, but the chances of getting a horn arent usually in ur favor... and when u do have it, you cant use any items to defend urself otherwise)
but i do wanna add the fact that the item slots are a bit bullshit... if ur holding an item behind ur back, it still takes up ur inventory slot, meaning u can only have one item at a time... i understand kinda why they didnt fix that in DX, but the issue there is that item can still be stolen, and u have no time to react... additionally in double dash, you were able to swap items (which, i can kinda let slide because it might feel too complicated if u could...)
Mario Kart Wii is the melee of the Mario Kart series. Both of their biggest strengths were essentially mistakes
You said it! In the video I make this comparison and say that the changes from Wii to 8 were made for the benefit of inexperienced players, whereas I believe both Melee and Smash 4 can both be considered almost equally competitive in their own right.
Personally, I've always looked at Double Dash as the Melee of mario Kart. A defining feature of melee is its INCREDIBLE consistency, and Double Dash is by far the most consistent game in the series where you are less likely to get screwed with a barrage of items, which in combination with red shell dodging, blue shell dodging (both of which can be done with a mini turbo ) and the game having the lowest item hitstun makes front running much easier, and safer.
What, with the fact that everybody loves it despite the fact it's no different to all the others(
@@SkyHakym but 8 isn't like that at all unlike smash 4...
Are you calling it shit? Melee is so bad
"Does Mario Kart 8 have that?"
"NOooO!"
Mk8 has those things
@@sherzanman1188 Not lol
Does mksc have that earrape NOOOOOOOOoOooOooOoo!!!!!!!!!
7:34 exactly why I stopped playing GTA V online. The lazy press of a button on a mk2 beats everything
Ok, here are my problems with the blue shell in mario kart wii.
1) Mario kart wiis item ballancing makes the blue shell appear far too frequently. I have had races with 2 blue shells per lap on grand prixs where I was trying to unlock characters. It also is very likely to be thrown on the last lap, which means if you are in first trying to unlock characters, you can unfairly loose your lead and, this being the last lap, not be able to catch up. In multiplayer, this is fun, but in single player, this is just annoying.
2) In mario kart wii, you can get the blye shell in the lower places. Back there, you are hoping to get an item that could allow you to catch up to the people in front of you. The spiny shell doesnt help you get to a higher place, it just hits the person who is probably over 5 places ahead of you. This doesnt bennifit you in any way, it just pisses the aspirations of the person in first. The only other games with the blue shell that do this are double dash, ds, and 7 I believe. In any other game that this appears in, it accually can help you get ahead which makes this item feel useful.
3) the spinout time in mario kart wii for the blue shell was extremely long, meaning that many people have the opportunity to pass you. It also destroys the item that you have leaving you vulnurable. This still happens in mario kart 8, but you have many frames after you get hit where you cant spin out from an item. In mario kart wii, you can get hit by a red shell imediately after the blue shell hits which causes an even longer spin out time.
You see? In mario kart 8, they made the blue shell a better item especially in single player. Sure the blue shell can be destroyed by the super horn, but that in its own way is strategic. If you have an incoming red shell, you have to make up your mind weather to use the super horn on that, or wait for a blue shell and take the hit. And plus, the boo item can steal the superhorn easily. These 2 things make it more difficult to destroy the blue shell than the video claims. And oh, did I mention that it is rare to accually get the super horn in 1st? This is why i feel that the blue shell is better in Mario kart 8 than Wii
very rarely I will get 3 blue shells most of the time 1 or 2 blue shells and a good amount of time I will get 0 blue shells
you just suck at the game I replayed the game after I becamed a pro and I got unless a star rank in every cup so only the players who perfected the game and learned its mechanics can unlock every thing
@@user-bb2op9he1x dude just shut up. Unlocking everything doesnt make you pro
@@janilindberg4397 no no what I meant by being pro is mastering the game mechanics like the drifting and wheelie
@@user-bb2op9he1x ok
This sounds like an essay I would have written in the 8th grade
Yeah because it seems like it was made by an immature 13 year old
@@tylerpropp5439 yep.
Lizandro you would’ve gotten 100%
mario kart wii is better than mario kart 8 though
@@doncornuto3529 Lol no. Even MKDS is better than Wii.
Wish Mario Kart Wii was ported to Nintendo Switch
Same, I would buy that shit in a heartbeat
Mario kart Wii could always use more love
I want Nintendo to release more other Virtual Consoles on to the Nintendo Switch than just the NES
mario kart wii deluxe
Martell Tha Cool me too. That game was a classic.
Mario Kart Wii was a dedication of mine for some time as a child. I’d wake up at 6 in the morning on weekends and go downstairs, determined to get gold on every circuit and unlock every character. It was so much fun.
WOW this is very biased. He tries to say that bikes are gimmicky in 8 while the whole reason they're in Wii is to be gimmicky. A bunch of small nitpicks and biased statements do not make Wii better. He tries to say that Wii being a glitchy game is an upside, all because he can't admit to the games faults, which is further proven by him not bringing up Wii's inferior item balance.
you liked your own comment
@@ian-qo8fq and I liked it too because he’s actually right
Edit: I liked yours too
@@thecoolbroscoolman4672 he still liked his own comment
@@ian-qo8fq your point?
@@Lionis thats it :/
Mario kart wii was my childhood.
And yes, I am saying that doing dozens of attempts of special cup mirror mode trying to get a star, getting really close, and then getting screwed on rainbow road because of bad luck, and raging as a result.
Was my child.
Zane Andersen Bro, saaaaaame!
I've played SO MANY HOURS on MKWii. Best decision of my gaming career was going back to get golds for everything and practicing until I got 1st places for the online tournaments! The nostalgia came back full! ;)
I feel you bro
Mkwii ur childhood!? Oh lord im old....
That's your child?
I still play Mario kart wii
Me 2
Same
Im playing while watching this
you not the only one
NOT BY A LONG SHOT
Same are you using ctgp?
Wii truly are the melee needs of the mario kart series, if this is how melee nerds feel then I get it now, I’ll always praise mario kart wii, it feels perfect.
I actually like how the blue shell can hit other racers on its way to first. In Wii, you pull the blue shell in 5th-9th place and it goes right to first, not benefiting whoever threw it. In MK8, it at least benefits whoever pulled it as it can hit racers in front of them as well
That’s the only thing I prefer about MK8
Same but the blue shell looks terriable without the wings
That is true so you could have a better chance to catch then only hitting the player in first
But also if you're in second and you get hit by the blue path then you hate it.
@@gant73 I can’t stand the red shell it just slows down the race and even tho you can dodge it I have such a hard time holding on to the button
@@mykallee6926 Red shells stop 1st place from getting miles ahead of anyone. The only things someone in first have to worry about are blue shells and red shells.
I miss Funky Kong. He was one of the best characters in the whole franchise.
-apart from his voice-
I mean yeah,funky kong!!!
(If rosalina wasnt there Id actually play him more, although I will say that he is one of the two best characters to play as, with daisy)
Funky was the best
I want back in.
I don't miss him. I still use him in the best Mario kart :P
Titan Slayer secret speed stat intensifies
Just a note, in defense of Blue Shells hitting people, the reason it does so is that it actually HELPS the user. I think a lot of us can relate to "Okay I'm in a low spot I just need a decent item" and you get the blue shell that does practically nothing for you. In the newest games it actually feels good to get the item in a low spot because you know it'll probably help you.
that's actually a pretty good argument, not gonna lie
And it doesn’t hit everyone from 8th to 2nd it has a certain route it goes and if anyone is on the route, they also get hit.
... That's a good point, I realize using it only helps the 2nd player unless you in a team race.
girls: we talk about many interesting things like gender, liberty and more
me and the boys:
Lmao. Me, a girl:
LOL yeah you and the boys.... me and 7 other girls playing on hardcore game night:
@@likeazelda5124 sorry if that offended u i was meaning MY case , in my class was like i said
@@vicenteespinozafloresbarre2423 No you didn't XD I was just busting your chops
@@likeazelda5124 oh ok, sorry anyways, have a nice day
7:01 I disagree. Blue shell should be in the game but it isn’t a gimmick that prevents the game from being competitive, it adds a level of skill in watching the map to drop out or dodge some other way. I play tournaments in MK8DX exclusively and the best players do get first consistently. And the super horn is just as rare as getting a mushroom to dodge in wii... I really don’t think that item breaks the game. The poor item distribution of MK8 though... yeah that part sucks. Also smart bouncing can go to hell.
The super horn doesn't break the game because of how rare it is, on the other hand though an item like that shouldn't exist to begin with, just like coins shouldn't exist. Blue shell's are there to balance the game, changes who's in first, makes it chaotic. And fun. My biggest problem with MK8 is that i got first more thna anything else i didn't even try. It's like in MK8 it actually fell hard to win. MK8 is to easy as a game. I also don't like the glider part of MK7 or 8. As cool as it was, it's unnecessary addition that's just annoying to use.
I actually totally agree , you had more freedom in Mario kart Wii and the maps were lit
apparently mk8 you cant even go backwards!
@@DragonProtector but mk stands for mortal kombat
@@viktor3498 mk stands for a lot of stuff. mk = Mario Kart
@@DragonProtector You missed the joke.
@@QwerpOS oh. Sorry. I am not good at getting jokes right away.
Another thing that mario Kart Wii does better is that you can see all 7 vehicle stats
But not the hidden water/air stats
@Daylen there is still a hidden stat...
THE MOST OP OF THEM ALL.
*inside drift*
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@Daylen Is air travel still slower in MK 8?
@Daylen K cheers.
did this man really defended thunderclouds? I genuinely cant tell if this was a troll a video or not. Only the inside drift was better in wii, outside drift is definitely better in 8. Karts fucking suck in wii. jfc you nitpick everything. only thing i agreed with is blue shell going on ground and pink gold peach being a character
I don't think you understand the charm that the thunder cloud had. It was a really chaotic item and you didn't want it, it was a really clever item. it just didn't work well online.
Did you really said thundercloud is bad ? I can t tell if ur trolling ir not
The blue shell was supposed to travel on the ground like 64 and Super Circuit. The Super Horn is rare, and you can avoid clips by not driving in the middle. If it flies, it doesn’t balance shit. You are just helping second and third. So this is a false argument
The flying blue shell only balances how far ahead first place is.
*false point*
I'm surprised by the fact Diddy Kong is not a playable character in Mario Kart 8
Same
and birdo
Fathiyyah McGill Funky Kong was a “special character.” In every Mario Kart, there is one character or two that are in that one Mario kart game but will not appear again in the next game. For an example, R.O.B. That was a DS special character therefore it did not appear in the other Mario karts. Though some characters in previous Mario karts are really good, they had to pick what they wanted for that game.
And Funky Kong
Forego the babies except Mario and Luigi and the metal variants and the fursonas. There's enough slots for Birdo, Diddy Kong, and Funky Kong and better characters.
*I'm using tilt controls!*
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The good ol MARIO kart 8 chat system
*Shall we get started?*
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GenZ try to not let their favorite childhood game overtake their opinion challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)
Gen Alpha try not to blame nostalgia for someone having a different opinion (IMPOSSIBLE)
@@FishSlap1Gens try not to fight over which generation is better (IMPOSSIBLE)
@@Kurtfan1991 buddy, I was just fighting fire with fire, he initiated it
This is literally the Melee vs Ultimate debate
Imo 8’s base game tracks are kinda meh, but the booster course pass makes the game 10x better
More like Brawl vs. Ultimate. Double Dash was the Melee.
@@user-zw3on4bx2t no, I meant it in the fact that both Melee and MkWii are loved over 8DX/Ultimate because of their game breaking plays and more competitive-friendly environment, not because of their consle
@@FishSlap1 ah, I thought you made that comparison because of "tight controls," like most people who say this. Honest opinion, I feel like that's all Melee has going for it.
Lets not forget that toads factory has one of the best mk themes in history
Your giving me moments when me and my mom played it
You remember maple tree way. Who bright idea was to think of a f*cling tree. So genius. And grumbled volcanoe, maybe one if the only tracks that change over time
@@savagejack5714 i have a feeling you dont know how to fucking spell
Duh Clibby go to bed lil nigga, it's past your bedtime.
Indeed!
your mic hit me harder than puberty damn
what if puberty didnt hit you hard? that sentence isn't universal.
@@evanb5033 It's called a joke.
that was sarcasm, chief
Voice breaks slam harder than dad.
Wii U can pretend they added ShyGuy. But we all know the DS did it first
Why I like Mario Kart Wii more.
1: Luma!
2: Better Karts and Bikes.
3: No Garbage Characters.
4: No Ruined Courses.
5: Moonview Highway.
6: Rainbow Road.
7: No Coins.
Laughs in Mario Kart DS
mariokart ds is bomb
Ds and Wii are the best
i think mk DS is just a worse version of mk 7. i think the only reason ppl like it is cuz of nostalgia and the cool karts, and snaking. but its just my opinion.
@@Ieu6054 mission mode... Best battle mode I rly do belive that ds is at deluxe lvl of quality if you ever play it
@@ubaru2350 OH! I forgot about mission mode! However some things that ds exels at is kinda over shadowed by the new games. Someone could easily say that ds battle mode is identical to mk 8 deluxes. BUT AGAIN IT'S JUST MY OPINION. YOU DO YOU.
Uhh I'm pretty sure that Mario Kart DS removed that yoshi circuit shortcut first
Its true, don't know why nintendo would downgrade GCN Yoshi Circuit alot.
@@jimfitzgerald2289 console limitations
Fortnite Lover153 Why the fuck would console limitations be the problem? Its just a damn route, not a damn AI mechanic that only Xbox One consoles can handle.
Eh in my opinion yoshi circuit was always underwhelming
Yeah, but at least we could still turn back then.
8 doesn't allow shortcut glitches BECAUSE it's a better game, some glitches may be fun but they're a glitch they're an unpredicted problem in the game that can have every kind of unknown consequences to the code, also having a game completely broken kinda ruins the experience for most people.
Of course mk8 didn't inovate as much, it's a more recent game, what else are they gonna add, that's like comparing the mk wiis resolution to the 8, of course it's worse, it's older, still mk8 has nore features including the tricks you love so much so it's just objectively better, that speech sounds like nostalgia taking over you
The shortcut glitches in Mario kart Wii don’t break the game tho, that’s the thing. It’s kinda like in melee, they make the game a better experience.
@@TokyoBalletReprise that's extremely subjective, some people will appreciate it, and some won't, I like these glitches too, however that's only my personal interpretation the point is objectively it's a worst experience since it has more glitches comparing to mk8, and it does sort of feels better when you're playing a more well constructed game
I only have two things to say here:
1. The Blue Shell hitting other players adds more chaos (that's what you want, right?) and makes it so that the Blue Shell doesn't guarentee 2nd place to take 1st. Also, it's pretty unlikely to get the Super Horn while a Blue Shell is coming for you. More likely, you get the Super Horn, then get struck by Lightning, and *then* the Blue Shell comes (however, I've never played the OG 8, and it's possible that item distribution has changed enough for this to be untrue).
2. You're complaning about the community Wii has compared to 8, when that's not even the games fault. If you're upset that mods for Wii don't exist for 8, go make that mod!
I actually like how spiny shells work now. Killing one character in first while you’re in last really doesn’t help you, it just helps whoever’s in second. So having them hit other people accomplishes it’s mission better of helping people far behind. But MKWii still epic tho
SpagEddie8113 exactly
“Killing one character in first while you’re last really doesn’t help you”
That’s why items such as red shells, stars, bullet bills, golden mushrooms and thunders exist
Samuel Prado yeah, but if you’re somewhere like 6th or 7th, and you get a blue shell, the only thing you’re going to be thinking is: “ugh, now i gotta wait for another item box.” because a blue shell doesn’t help you in that place. but if it hits other people as well, it actually helps you, even when you’re further back.
SpagEddie8113 I think mario kart should have both winged and non winged blue shells, but it’s random when you pull a doesnt mean more blue shells however
why would you pull a blue shell in last
This guy really just tried to tell me the tc was an awesome. Mario Kart Wii is the better game, but your reasoning is wrong. Biggest thing you missed was the item system. In wii you have a specific set of items you can get depending on the position you're in with a set % chance of getting it. In 8 the item system is based on how far away first place is, which on paper sounds good but it also makes it where someone in 2nd place can get a star while the guy in 8th could get stuck with a single green shell or banana. It's far too inconsistent for something that didn't need to be fixed. Also while I agree Lakitu is way too much of a babysitter in 8 the argument that the system was better in wii because you could do gamebreaking shortcuts and skip across half the map isn't good. It created a huge gap in skill levels (which isn't necessarily a bad thing) and destroyed the way some tracks, specifically grumble volcano, ended being played online.
GamingMasters1 actually you got those mixed up.
GamingMasters1 mkwii is way too hectic and unfair, whereas MK8’s system is very fair and smart.
some of the points i think he made are kind of flawed and unreasonable too, like when he brought up the thing about "shortcuts" and not having enough """freedom""" in mario kart 8
majority of the shortcuts in mario kart wii's tracks were unintentional cause if you think about it, competitive players or speedrunners would take advantage of this and go incredibly out of bounds, not to mention ultra shortcuts were just skipping through half of the track (like you pointed out)
but part of the reason why they were so "dumbed down" in mario kart 8, was because it wasnt a matter of taking freedom away from the player but a matter of fairness for the more casual player which makes sense
part of his argument i think rolls down to "i dislike 8 because it's not mario kart wii"
i personally enjoy mkwii like the next guy, but there's certain aspects of the game that take it away from being balanced
beeg beeg yoshi true. But the unfairness keeps me away from playing MKW more.
The idea of the tc is great, i hope it returns
1:32 "how does it change the gameplay?" **Shows racer going on wall** **shows spiral in the track** **goes on to explain how it changes the gameplay**
"This is a comedic video, I'll try not to look triggered"
Proceeds to say "oh yeah that was the correct answer: IT DOESN'T" as if he was genuinely triggered lol
This video was decent until you defended the Thunder Cloud
Ow....
If I find you....
I will thundercloud you to the next Mario Kart game! X)
Holy crap, Schaffrillas himself actually commentated on this. I now personally know a guy who made a video seen by you.
This is the shiniest day of my life.
He's definitely bias.
Personally, I have no problem with it. It’s more of an item that requires skill.
@@HoleeCarolee This isn't strategy, there's no benefit to getting the thundercloud. Green shells are a prime example of items that need strategy.
MK Wii is phenomenal and I absolutely love MK8 but this video is more of constant insults at MK8, rather than a constructive arguement about why MK Wii is a better MarioKart game. Also jesus the mic.
Scoobert Doobert I can both agree and disagree. I think there should be a little bit more on how Wii was better; but I also think he did a good job explaining in the end
If you read the description you wouldn't had to write that comment
In the desc he explains it
He really didn't say that mk wii is better than 8
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I hope Mario Kart 9 starts feeling a bit more like Mario Kart Wii.
You are wrong but ok.
Part of the reason that Mario kart wii was so good and still has an impressive player base to this day is because that game is so broken. There are so many glitches, exploits, tricks, and mistakes that just enhance the game, stuff that you would never see in a game made in 2020 (or 2017) and will probably never see again.
So have fun with MKW Mario kart players, and keep supporting new custom tracks and WIIMFI, MOGI, and CTGP, cuz we’re probably never going to see another Mario kart game that fun again
Chris Sherman
1. Mario Kart 8 was made in 2014. We really just erased the original from our collective conscience, huh?
2. This argument has always been dumb to me. Yeah, the glitches are fun, but it’s basically saying “the game is worse, therefore it’s better” and MK8 is “better and more polished, therefore it’s worse.” Judge Wii based on what was intended- there’s plenty there. Also, while primitive, MK8 has gotten custom tracks and they’re likely to continue and get better. DS and 7 also have custom tracks- CTGP-7 specifically honestly rivals CTGP-R in terms of quality.
Mario Kart Wii is, quite literally, the Smash Melee of Mario Kart.
D The Australian my man said ctgp-7 was on par with ctgp-r, infact a ctgp-7 track was just added into wii and everyone dislikes it, heck some custom tracks for wii are even better than 99% of nintendo tracks
@@iamhenryspencer
Well did it work in CTGP-7? If not, one bad track doesn't ruin it (and -R has asdf course & mushroom peaks so). And even so, it's unfair to include custom tracks as a reason why Wii is better. I think that Wii's better than 8 (albeit only slightly), but not because of the modding.
D The Australian you named two bad cts lol, the modding side really boosts wii, with tracks like honeybee hideout, lunar lights, new moon manor and many more
Actually I think it's a good thing that the blue shell can hit others too because otherwise it's an empty item that does make the first person rage but is utterly useless to the person using it.
Hieronmus Nervig That’s almost the point. It’s supposed to stop 1st from getting too far ahead
@@Vision444I don't complain about it's function of hitting the first so he can't get too far ahead.
I am complaining about the part where the person getting it can't actually gain any ranks with it.
It's legit better to get a coin than a Wii version Blue Shell (even tho the shell is much more of a sadistic fun)
Even the MK8 version isn't the best item you can get and you would prefer it to be worse?
Hieronmus Nervig So, imagine this. You get unlucky(hit by a ton of items) and you’re in 7th place by the second lap. 1st place is FAR ahead of 2nd. As someone who’s actually skilled, I’m fine with MK Wii’s Blue Shell because I can still catch up, and the blue shell performs its purpose- popping first place
@@Vision444 Ok, it might actually help sometimes but MKWii Blue Shell is still an empty item for the one getting it, unless you go for first only, then it's actually among the 4 best.
@@hieronymusnervig8712 Nah fam. the blue shell was made to stop only first place. The only items that are supposed to hit multiple people are the shock, pow, and blooper
Base Mario kart 8 on the Wii U is probably one of my least favorite games in the series. However, Mario kart 8 deluxe WITH the booster course pass is my favorite game in the series 😂
Crazy what 48 returning courses and a bunch of new characters can do to my opinion lmao
Might get lots of people angry, but I don't like the customization of karts and bikes. I prefer the old style because it forced you to think about the up AND down sides. Maybe you like good handling and drifting so you pick kart A at the cost of bad acceleration and speed.
That I could NOT have said better myself! Bravo Good Sir!
I think that you still have to consider those things (especially on 200cc), but for me the problem is that there are too many choices that are statistically the same. I'd much rather have far fewer pieces to choose from, and just have them more statistically well defined and not redundant. I also feel like customizing gliders feels pretty unnecessary, and that stats for customization shouldn't be something you have to press a button to pull up. While it doesn't personally impact my gameplay experience, I've noticed that for far more casual players the customization menu feels confusing and intimidating, which leads them to experiment less since the menu just leaves them overwhelmed. A few different vehicles to choose from, with them being locked to weight classes in MKWii made it much more approachable for family and friends that were new to it, and made sure that differences in stats were more well defined. So I'd personally like a system more like MKWii, except maybe leaving some very simple wheel options in (possibly having them define whether something is inside or outside drifting, or something more simple like that that focuses more on mechanics than stats).
@@Sin_Alder yeah i agree, they should for the mostnpart be like MKWii, but small changes you can make would be good
@@Sin_Alder You said it!
Mario kart wii has the best music ( especially the winning and losing music ) edit lol
Definitely makes you feel more emotional with the game.
The losing music makes me feel sorry for myself, the Winning music however...
I think Double Dash has the best music.
I honestly just replace it LOL X3
MK7 have great music too. You can check the MK7 Rainbow Road, the music feels nostalgic, powerful, Retro, with the use of Synths and well produced
"Why does the Blue shell hit other People?" "Its supposed to be a chaotic goofy kart racer"
Ummm What? its better for you if it hits everyone in front of you
Not everything is supposed to go in our way.
Yeah, if you're way back in eight place, what do you care about what goes on in the front?
Yeah, many complain about it affecting everyone in front of the executor but others complain in older versions the opposite: why would I care about the first place if I’m not even close?
Why can’t people agree with the Blue Shell functionality?
Yeah but the whole point of the Blue Shell is to murder 1st place, not everyone else
Actually the blue shell hitting other players does change the game and is more beneficial to the person who threw it as they’ll be in a low position. If it hits other players on the way it gives them a lead. Personally I think that’s better than the old design where it should hit the guy in first or people next to them via splash
After getting my switch I realized that Mario kart wii is better then 8 but I still like the new maps more
Mario Kart WII has custom tracks. End of discussion.
Well given time I'm sure 8 will too
mk8 has already some cts but mkwiis cts are straight up better
The is a ctgp u but it’s utter shite tbh
It's really hard to create custom tracks on 8
Barely anyone had a wii u so not a lot of modders were active. This should change with MK8DX as more people now have a switch, encouraging more people to mod it.
Brah, wii was my childhood. I remember it was the first gift I got on Christmas. I spent my entire childhood on that wii game
the spiny shell is the 5 stages of grief in 5 seconds
The super horn is very difficult to get in first place, let alone the fact that it’s very hard not to use it on a red shell coming at the exact moment you have it. So it’s not op or not a baby item. Also, I really like the fact that the blue shells hit other players. It makes it so much more useful for those who actually get it as an item, and the old blue shell didn’t benefit the user that much. That being said it’s incredibly easy for those not in first place to dodge it, as there’s legit a warning at the bottom of your screen and it always travels down the center of the track. I personally prefer Mario kart Wii, although you seem to be being a bit hard on mk8 in this video for unnecessary reasons.
This video has me confused...
"Mario Kart 8 falls short in these ways, it's RIDICULOUS!!"
*conclusion*
"I adore both of these games and always choose to defend games"
hmm... The whole video didn't seem like it was more about MKWii being better than MK8, but rather why MK8 is a bad game. I did read the description, and it still felt incredibly out of place when you got to the conclusion. It makes for a very strange experience.
Don't think of the video title as "Why Mario Kart Wii is a better game than Mario Kart 8", see it as "What are the factors and traits of MKWii that gives it an advantage over MK8."
MK8 has advantages over Wii as well. I'm simply pointing out the advantages of Wii that some individuals ignore :)
Jacob Kowanetz Just because someone is pointing out all the things they don’t like about a particular game doesn’t mean they think the game is bad.
@@JosepiThe13th I said that I read the description, and I am aware that Sky Spyer likes both 8 and Wii. My criticism lies in the delivery of the points. When one listens to each point in its wording being practically yelled, it's difficult to draw any conclusion other than "This guy says that this game is good, and that this other game which doesn't have any of this cool stuff is terrible". Surely with some more consideration for the way each point was articulated would have made the experience less jarring wen the conclusion came. This video is doing well though, which is great! I just want to point out where the video falls short, and maybe my criticism can be used to improve future content.
@@SkyHakym I agree with much of what you said in the video, I'm just pointing out aspects of the video that I feel make it a jarring experience. Most people will read the title and watch the video with the intention being to learn why Mario Kart Wii is better than 8, and be met with what sounds a lot like the absolute bashing of MK8 despite it not being your intention. In my opinion, the video should be presented with its full intention being clear. It's awesome that the video's doing well, and I hope my feedback is useful to you.
he only listed pros of mariokart wik, and he said in the beggin8ng that he wasn’t going to be talking good about mk8
okay but can we get an F for Funky Stadium? that stage was amazing for battle mode, 8 got rid of all the good wii tracks :((
it was the size of new york though
@@DannyMeasho999 i know this was a year ago but was this a compliment of negativity
@@Nintempo520 its a bad thing, and no problem, i dont care. yt ppl seem to act like you cant reply to comments after 24 hours, which isnt true.
I agree with you, but you forgot one important point: Mario Kart Wii feels much FASTER and didn't have to invent 200cc mode to make players feel something.
That was a big shock for me when I first played MK8.
Loved your video, but please don't yell randomly
Nathaniel Bandy would say Wii is better than 8 because Wii has no pink gold peach
Mk wii has the best community out of any mario kart
@Yoshifan444 Oh come on just because it on the wii and it graphics is not the best and the voice acting is the greatese doesn't mean its bad at all. I feel like you're the kid because good things that you call "quality" is the real trash here. Honestly if your opinion changed ages ago, thats fine.
Yawn..
another 9 yr in pull ups pretending to be a gamer, talking about “graphics”, with no other relevant points. Just stfu.
Chad Thelad So do you think that Mkwii is shit or good
@@chadthelad1367 it's a good game, unbalanced but it's the best competitive mario kart game, and get wiimfi and you can play online.
MKW WAS THE BEST RACING GAME IN HISTORY AND ANYONE WHO DISAGREES CAN GET RED SHELLED, RECOVER, THEN BLUE SHELLED
Blue Shell hit other people in 64 too there bud
they removed that, and i second their decision
Also in Super Circuit and 7
I'm one of them...
Mario kart DS
And MKSC. In MKSC throwing blue and red shells backwards actually planted them, and the first racer to come near them (red shells), or the next time first place passed it (blue shells) it would home in on. Glorious
this is basically unwatchable as you yell like an infant most of the time and miss QOL improvements left and right